Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Mailing lists to discourse migration

[Vicky Vergara via Discuss]

Hello
I added the topic about ticket [1] to the board meeting agenda.
[1] https://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/ticket/3133
Regards

On Tue, Jan 30, 2024 at 4:08 AM Jorge Sanz via Discuss <
discuss@lists.osgeo.org> wrote:

> On 2024-01-30 10:58, Alexander Kmoch via Discuss wrote:
> > Dear Jorge,
> >
> > thanks a lot for info, much appreciated. I have an OSGeo login and I
> > am able to create a ticket.
> >
> > If I understood you correctly, then [2] is the more general
> > discussion, but I could open already a ticket for Estonia, referencing
> > [2] saying Estonia would like a QGIS Estonia Discourse place, and we
> > are happy to joint/await the discussion how to organise this in general?
> >
> > Best,
> >
> > Alex
> >
> >
> > [2]: https://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/ticket/3133
>
>
> Yep please, go ahead and create a ticket with your group specifics.
>
> If your group is about QGIS then there's already a category for you at
> [1] hosting at this moment only QGIS-fr discussions. If your group is
> not going to host more broad OSGeo discussions then you can track the
> discussion I started.
>
> Best
>
> [1]: https://discourse.osgeo.org/c/qgis/11
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Mailing lists to discourse migration

[Kari Salovaara via Discuss]

Hello  friends and neighbours,

we Finns use our list sometimes to spread informataion on our national 
events and also international events.
We have today board meeting for national OSGeo society this topic will 
be on agenda.

I guess that Estonian Discourse will get some Finns there too 

Best, Kari

Alexander Kmoch via Discuss kirjoitti 30.1.2024 klo 11:58:

Dear Jorge,

thanks a lot for info, much appreciated. I have an OSGeo login and I 
am able to create a ticket.

our
If I understood you correctly, then [2] is the more general 
discussion, but I could open already a ticket for Estonia, referencing 
[2] saying Estonia would like a QGIS Estonia Discourse place, and we 
are happy to joint/await the discussion how to organise this in general?


Best,

Alex


[2]: https://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/ticket/3133


On 30.01.2024 11:39, Jorge Sanz via Discuss wrote:

On 2024-01-30 8:15, Alexander Kmoch via Discuss wrote:


Dear OSGeo admin team,

we from Estonia haven't had a mailing list before and wanted to 
consider to apply for a qgis or osgeo mailing list for Estonia. Now 
with the Discourse option, we would be really keen to get a QGIS 
usergroup forum for our Estonian community.


How can we "apply" ?

Best,

Alex


Hi Alex, thanks for your request.

Usually asking for new mailing lists has been discussed at OSGeo 
Trac[1]. I think we can do the same for Discourse. Please feel free 
to open a new ticket there for a focused discussion on your needs or 
let me know and I can open it for you.


I've opened a ticket about creating a parent category for all 
chapters[2]. I could create the Estonia category right away but 
better decide on the place for all this type of discussions and then 
we can give you the space to not open chances for confusion to your 
colleagues.


Cheers!

[1]: https://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo
[2]: https://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/ticket/3133


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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Mailing lists to discourse migration

[Jorge Sanz via Discuss]

On 2024-01-30 10:58, Alexander Kmoch via Discuss wrote:

Dear Jorge,

thanks a lot for info, much appreciated. I have an OSGeo login and I 
am able to create a ticket.


If I understood you correctly, then [2] is the more general 
discussion, but I could open already a ticket for Estonia, referencing 
[2] saying Estonia would like a QGIS Estonia Discourse place, and we 
are happy to joint/await the discussion how to organise this in general?


Best,

Alex


[2]: https://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/ticket/3133 



Yep please, go ahead and create a ticket with your group specifics.

If your group is about QGIS then there's already a category for you at 
[1] hosting at this moment only QGIS-fr discussions. If your group is 
not going to host more broad OSGeo discussions then you can track the 
discussion I started.


Best

[1]: https://discourse.osgeo.org/c/qgis/11

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Mailing lists to discourse migration

[Alexander Kmoch via Discuss]

Dear Jorge,

thanks a lot for info, much appreciated. I have an OSGeo login and I am 
able to create a ticket.


If I understood you correctly, then [2] is the more general discussion, 
but I could open already a ticket for Estonia, referencing [2] saying 
Estonia would like a QGIS Estonia Discourse place, and we are happy to 
joint/await the discussion how to organise this in general?


Best,

Alex


[2]: https://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/ticket/3133


On 30.01.2024 11:39, Jorge Sanz via Discuss wrote:

On 2024-01-30 8:15, Alexander Kmoch via Discuss wrote:


Dear OSGeo admin team,

we from Estonia haven't had a mailing list before and wanted to 
consider to apply for a qgis or osgeo mailing list for Estonia. Now 
with the Discourse option, we would be really keen to get a QGIS 
usergroup forum for our Estonian community.


How can we "apply" ?

Best,

Alex


Hi Alex, thanks for your request.

Usually asking for new mailing lists has been discussed at OSGeo 
Trac[1]. I think we can do the same for Discourse. Please feel free to 
open a new ticket there for a focused discussion on your needs or let 
me know and I can open it for you.


I've opened a ticket about creating a parent category for all 
chapters[2]. I could create the Estonia category right away but better 
decide on the place for all this type of discussions and then we can 
give you the space to not open chances for confusion to your colleagues.


Cheers!

[1]: https://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo
[2]: https://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/ticket/3133


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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Mailing lists to discourse migration

[Jorge Sanz via Discuss]

On 2024-01-30 8:15, Alexander Kmoch via Discuss wrote:


Dear OSGeo admin team,

we from Estonia haven't had a mailing list before and wanted to 
consider to apply for a qgis or osgeo mailing list for Estonia. Now 
with the Discourse option, we would be really keen to get a QGIS 
usergroup forum for our Estonian community.


How can we "apply" ?

Best,

Alex


Hi Alex, thanks for your request.

Usually asking for new mailing lists has been discussed at OSGeo 
Trac[1]. I think we can do the same for Discourse. Please feel free to 
open a new ticket there for a focused discussion on your needs or let me 
know and I can open it for you.


I've opened a ticket about creating a parent category for all 
chapters[2]. I could create the Estonia category right away but better 
decide on the place for all this type of discussions and then we can 
give you the space to not open chances for confusion to your colleagues.


Cheers!

[1]: https://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo
[2]: https://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/ticket/3133

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Mailing lists to discourse migration

[Alexander Kmoch via Discuss]

Dear OSGeo admin team,

we from Estonia haven't had a mailing list before and wanted to consider 
to apply for a qgis or osgeo mailing list for Estonia. Now with the 
Discourse option, we would be really keen to get a QGIS usergroup forum 
for our Estonian community.


How can we "apply" ?

Best,

Alex


On 26.12.2023 23:06, Vicky Vergara via Discuss wrote:

Hello all

We are ready to migrate mailing lists to discourse,
* Have the mailing list migrated completely to discourse
* Have a mirror of the mailing in discourse
* Have a category on discourse and not have a mailing list
* Opt to not migrate or mirror the mailing list

A comprehensive list of mailing lists can be found here (not including 
private mailing lists):

https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo

You need to open a ticket to have the work done.
Follow the ticket examples below for the first 3 cases

Regards
Vicky Vergara

Example: Have the mailing list migrated completely to discourse:

Ticket: https://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/ticket/3064 (has link to ticket 3063)
+
Comment in Ticket: https://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/ticket/3063

Created the following discourse category
https://discourse.osgeo.org/c/qgis/qgis-fr-user/5
And the archives of the mailing list will not be removed:
https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/qgis-fr-user/
Migration has finished so any new message to the list will not be 
received on discourse, but the list will be disabled for before the 
end of january.
Mail on discourse: qgis-fr-user/@discourse.osgeo.org 



Example: Have a mirror of the mailing in discourse
Ticket: https://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/ticket/3062
Created the following discourse category
https://discourse.osgeo.org/c/sac-global-category/sac/13
The mailing list will not be removed, and it is a mirror to the 
mailing list

emails continue to be sent to s...@lists.osgeo.org
Replies can be done
https://discourse.osgeo.org/t/re-osgeo-3062-import-sac-mailing-list-to-discourse/4747/2?u=cvvergara
But they will no be reflected on the mailing list
https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/sac/2023-December/thread.html

Example: of category without mailing list
Ticket: https://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/ticket/3066
https://discourse.osgeo.org/c/osgeolive/osgeolive-docs/8



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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Mailing lists to discourse migration

[Christian Willmes]

I am all for opening up the conversation and adding additional 
interfaces to participate, but pleas without messing up or breaking the 
existing discussion channels.



Am 01.01.24 um 16:28 schrieb Sandro Santilli via Discuss:

On Fri, Dec 29, 2023 at 04:16:03PM +, Cannata Massimiliano via Discuss 
wrote:


it is a factual observation that there has been a sensible decline in the 
engagement of people in OSGeo...
Not in the conferences presences but in the remote collaboration and 
development...

This is a very interesting topic and I've been recently advocating
opening up access to some infrastructure related git repositories
with the specific aim of giving remote collaboration and development
more chances (you cannot collaborate in a private repository for sure)

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Mailing lists to discourse migration

[Sandro Santilli via Discuss]

On Wed, Jan 03, 2024 at 05:08:08PM +0100, Sandro Santilli via Discuss wrote:

> see if they are able to create a new thread by email, for example.

Answering myself I was able to create new threads by email, just
writing to @discourse.osgeo.org

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Mailing lists to discourse migration

[Regina Obe via Discuss]

> On Wed, Jan 03, 2024 at 10:14:24AM -0500, Anna Petrášová wrote:

> > Thank you, that's really helpful to know. I wonder if this "mailing list"

> > behavior could be set as a default for the migrated users.

> 

I think by default new users, get emails of categories they watch unless they 
turn them off.

 

You could, setup a group for your mailing list, and invite everyone that was on 
your mailman to join that group so as soon as they register/login for first time

, they are automatically added to the group.

 

In the group admin settings, you can set this as default for new users of the 
group:

So by setting the group, to watch the category (your mailing list), you 
essentially force a mailing list behavior.

I think I mentioned before, but just in case, when you set up a category, you 
can set it to allow anyone with an account or only allow people in a group to 
be able to 

Post topics and reply to topics.  So that would emulate the current mailman 
behavior of only mailing list members can post to a mailing list.

 



 

> I also wonder if the "mailing list behaviour" is good enough, but this we can 
> tell

> by testing it, so I suggest all users interested in such a migration to test 
> the

> current "categories" (equivalent of "mailing list" in Discourse terms) and 
> see if

> they are able to create a new thread by email, for example.

> 

> --strk;

 

I think the only real lists we have are the QGIS-fr-user, General, OSGeo Site 
Feedback, and OSGeoLive-docs

 

The rest are mailman mirrors only so regular users wouldn't be able to post to 
them.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Mailing lists to discourse migration

[Sandro Santilli via Discuss]

On Wed, Jan 03, 2024 at 10:14:24AM -0500, Anna Petrášová wrote:
> Thank you, that's really helpful to know. I wonder if this "mailing list"
> behavior could be set as a default for the migrated users.

I also wonder if the "mailing list behaviour" is good enough, but this
we can tell by testing it, so I suggest all users interested in such a
migration to test the current "categories" (equivalent of "mailing
list" in Discourse terms) and see if they are able to create a new
thread by email, for example.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Mailing lists to discourse migration

[Anna Petrášová via Discuss]

Thank you, that's really helpful to know. I wonder if this "mailing list"
behavior could be set as a default for the migrated users.

On Tue, Jan 2, 2024 at 6:39 PM Regina Obe  wrote:

> They would need to log into discourse at least once and then mark the
> category as “Watching”
>
> Like for example – the qgis-fr-user category is here -
> https://discourse.osgeo.org/c/qgis/qgis-fr-user/5
>
>
>
>
>
> And then within your profile, there is an Emails section, you can decide
> if you want to be emailed or not for watched categories and how frequently.
>
>
>
>
>
> There is also a decision category managers (aka mailing list admins) need
> to make if they want anyone with an OSGeo discourse account to be able to
> post to their categories, or only people in a group.  You can invite all
> people in your old mailing list into the new group to expedite things.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Anna Petrášová 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 2, 2024 1:12 PM
> *To:* Regina Obe 
> *Cc:* Sandro Santilli ; Bruce Bannerman <
> bruce.bannerman.os...@gmail.com>; OSGeo Discussions <
> discuss@lists.osgeo.org>
> *Subject:* Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Mailing lists to discourse migration
>
>
>
> In case we decide to migrate, I was wondering what kind of effort is
> required from a current mailing list (mailman2) user to switch to discourse
> if they want to keep using it as a mailing list. E.g., would they need to
> login first (potentially create a new account?) and then set anything from
> the discourse interface? I understand this is all new, so instructions may
> not be available yet, but I am just trying to understand what kind of
> burden the transition represents for a regular user.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Anna
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 2, 2024 at 3:29 AM Regina Obe via Discuss <
> discuss@lists.osgeo.org> wrote:
>
> > On Fri, Dec 29, 2023 at 09:52:35AM +1100, Bruce Bannerman via Discuss
> > wrote:
> > >Apart from these few emails telling me that a move to something
> called
> > >Discourse is happening, I have not seen any discussion on our lists
> > >explaining the pros and cons of such a move.
> > >I find this lack of community engagement on this issue to be
> troubling.
> > >This does not seem to be a very open source community way of making
> such
> > a
> > >significant move.
> >
> > I feel the same and ask every OSGeo member with responsibility over
> > infrastructure to use this mailing list more as this is the "place"
> > with the most foundation members.
> >
>
> First of all, this IS THE DISCUSSION.  We've only moved one mailing list.
> We are just encouraging people to try it out
> first by allowing us to mirror their lists.  No harm in that I see. Most
> likely the lists that will move first are those with not that many people,
> and who are dissatisfied with mail lists like some of the QGIS users groups.
>
> OpenStreetMap put together a nice intro, which I'm hoping we can pattern
> our intro after:
>
>
> https://community.openstreetmap.org/t/how-to-use-this-forum-for-new-users/314/9
>
> which links to this discussion about pros and cons of mailing lists vs.
> Discourse
>
>
> https://meta.discourse.org/t/why-use-discourse-instead-of-a-email-mailing-list/54298
>
>
> My impetus for wanting to move is people asking for it, and complaining
> about how mailing lists don't work
> for people who want only casual involvement.
>
> Personally I hate mailing lists so they don't work for me.  I only have
> discuss in digest mode cause most of the topics don't interest me.
> I only subscribe to a few mailing lists, but I do see with discourse, I
> can at least peak into others and watch specific topics, and be selectively
> emailed in only things that interest me or if someone mentions my name.
>
> We need to move either to Mailman3 or Discourse - end of story.  Mailman2
> is dead and in looking at what we get with Mailman3, effort to move,
> and all the people screaming over the years for discourse
> https://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/ticket/2306
> , and seeing the success of discourse for projects such as OpenStreetMap
> https://community.openstreetmap.org/ , Gnome, I'm leaning heavily toward
> Discourse is the best solution
> for most and most flexible to configure.
>
> * It will allow people who only want to interact via Email only  to still
> do so
>
> That is not to say there aren't issues with how it handles emails we need
> to work out, which Sandro has made clear, but at least he's trying, so I
> can't complain about him too much.
> https://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/ticket/3072
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Mailing lists to discourse migration

[Regina Obe via Discuss]

They would need to log into discourse at least once and then mark the category 
as “Watching” 

Like for example – the qgis-fr-user category is here - 
https://discourse.osgeo.org/c/qgis/qgis-fr-user/5

 



 

And then within your profile, there is an Emails section, you can decide if you 
want to be emailed or not for watched categories and how frequently.

 



 

There is also a decision category managers (aka mailing list admins) need to 
make if they want anyone with an OSGeo discourse account to be able to post to 
their categories, or only people in a group.  You can invite all people in your 
old mailing list into the new group to expedite things.

 

 

 

From: Anna Petrášová  
Sent: Tuesday, January 2, 2024 1:12 PM
To: Regina Obe 
Cc: Sandro Santilli ; Bruce Bannerman 
; OSGeo Discussions 
Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Mailing lists to discourse migration

 

In case we decide to migrate, I was wondering what kind of effort is required 
from a current mailing list (mailman2) user to switch to discourse if they want 
to keep using it as a mailing list. E.g., would they need to login first 
(potentially create a new account?) and then set anything from the discourse 
interface? I understand this is all new, so instructions may not be available 
yet, but I am just trying to understand what kind of burden the transition 
represents for a regular user.

 

Thanks,

Anna

 

On Tue, Jan 2, 2024 at 3:29 AM Regina Obe via Discuss mailto:discuss@lists.osgeo.org> > wrote:

> On Fri, Dec 29, 2023 at 09:52:35AM +1100, Bruce Bannerman via Discuss
> wrote:
> >Apart from these few emails telling me that a move to something called
> >Discourse is happening, I have not seen any discussion on our lists
> >explaining the pros and cons of such a move.
> >I find this lack of community engagement on this issue to be troubling.
> >This does not seem to be a very open source community way of making such
> a
> >significant move.
> 
> I feel the same and ask every OSGeo member with responsibility over
> infrastructure to use this mailing list more as this is the "place"
> with the most foundation members.
> 

First of all, this IS THE DISCUSSION.  We've only moved one mailing list.  We 
are just encouraging people to try it out
first by allowing us to mirror their lists.  No harm in that I see. Most likely 
the lists that will move first are those with not that many people, and who are 
dissatisfied with mail lists like some of the QGIS users groups.

OpenStreetMap put together a nice intro, which I'm hoping we can pattern our 
intro after:

https://community.openstreetmap.org/t/how-to-use-this-forum-for-new-users/314/9

which links to this discussion about pros and cons of mailing lists vs. 
Discourse

https://meta.discourse.org/t/why-use-discourse-instead-of-a-email-mailing-list/54298


My impetus for wanting to move is people asking for it, and complaining about 
how mailing lists don't work 
for people who want only casual involvement. 

Personally I hate mailing lists so they don't work for me.  I only have discuss 
in digest mode cause most of the topics don't interest me.
I only subscribe to a few mailing lists, but I do see with discourse, I can at 
least peak into others and watch specific topics, and be selectively emailed in 
only things that interest me or if someone mentions my name.

We need to move either to Mailman3 or Discourse - end of story.  Mailman2 is 
dead and in looking at what we get with Mailman3, effort to move,
and all the people screaming over the years for discourse 
https://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/ticket/2306  
, and seeing the success of discourse for projects such as OpenStreetMap 
https://community.openstreetmap.org/ , Gnome, I'm leaning heavily toward 
Discourse is the best solution 
for most and most flexible to configure.

* It will allow people who only want to interact via Email only  to still do so

That is not to say there aren't issues with how it handles emails we need to 
work out, which Sandro has made clear, but at least he's trying, so I can't 
complain about him too much.
https://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/ticket/3072

* It will allow people to just post a question and only follow the discussion 
about their question -- I know sounds selfish, but FOSS is about scratching 
your own itch, and hanging around for longer when you decide these people are 
cool and what they talk about is cool.

* It has integration with ActivityPub, thus allowing discussions to flow thru 
to channels like mastodon if wanted. We've been experimenting with that and 
it's been pretty cool so far and I hope we can experiment with more facets of 
discourse, like the language translation of forum questions etc.


> The introduction of so many new/different communication channels resulted in
> this fragmentation leaving people with this feeling of being excluded, which 
> is to
> be avoided.
>

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Mailing lists to discourse migration

[Anna Petrášová via Discuss]

In case we decide to migrate, I was wondering what kind of effort is
required from a current mailing list (mailman2) user to switch to discourse
if they want to keep using it as a mailing list. E.g., would they need to
login first (potentially create a new account?) and then set anything from
the discourse interface? I understand this is all new, so instructions may
not be available yet, but I am just trying to understand what kind of
burden the transition represents for a regular user.

Thanks,
Anna

On Tue, Jan 2, 2024 at 3:29 AM Regina Obe via Discuss <
discuss@lists.osgeo.org> wrote:

> > On Fri, Dec 29, 2023 at 09:52:35AM +1100, Bruce Bannerman via Discuss
> > wrote:
> > >Apart from these few emails telling me that a move to something
> called
> > >Discourse is happening, I have not seen any discussion on our lists
> > >explaining the pros and cons of such a move.
> > >I find this lack of community engagement on this issue to be
> troubling.
> > >This does not seem to be a very open source community way of making
> such
> > a
> > >significant move.
> >
> > I feel the same and ask every OSGeo member with responsibility over
> > infrastructure to use this mailing list more as this is the "place"
> > with the most foundation members.
> >
>
> First of all, this IS THE DISCUSSION.  We've only moved one mailing list.
> We are just encouraging people to try it out
> first by allowing us to mirror their lists.  No harm in that I see. Most
> likely the lists that will move first are those with not that many people,
> and who are dissatisfied with mail lists like some of the QGIS users groups.
>
> OpenStreetMap put together a nice intro, which I'm hoping we can pattern
> our intro after:
>
>
> https://community.openstreetmap.org/t/how-to-use-this-forum-for-new-users/314/9
>
> which links to this discussion about pros and cons of mailing lists vs.
> Discourse
>
>
> https://meta.discourse.org/t/why-use-discourse-instead-of-a-email-mailing-list/54298
>
>
> My impetus for wanting to move is people asking for it, and complaining
> about how mailing lists don't work
> for people who want only casual involvement.
>
> Personally I hate mailing lists so they don't work for me.  I only have
> discuss in digest mode cause most of the topics don't interest me.
> I only subscribe to a few mailing lists, but I do see with discourse, I
> can at least peak into others and watch specific topics, and be selectively
> emailed in only things that interest me or if someone mentions my name.
>
> We need to move either to Mailman3 or Discourse - end of story.  Mailman2
> is dead and in looking at what we get with Mailman3, effort to move,
> and all the people screaming over the years for discourse
> https://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/ticket/2306
> , and seeing the success of discourse for projects such as OpenStreetMap
> https://community.openstreetmap.org/ , Gnome, I'm leaning heavily toward
> Discourse is the best solution
> for most and most flexible to configure.
>
> * It will allow people who only want to interact via Email only  to still
> do so
>
> That is not to say there aren't issues with how it handles emails we need
> to work out, which Sandro has made clear, but at least he's trying, so I
> can't complain about him too much.
> https://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/ticket/3072
>
> * It will allow people to just post a question and only follow the
> discussion about their question -- I know sounds selfish, but FOSS is about
> scratching your own itch, and hanging around for longer when you decide
> these people are cool and what they talk about is cool.
>
> * It has integration with ActivityPub, thus allowing discussions to flow
> thru to channels like mastodon if wanted. We've been experimenting with
> that and it's been pretty cool so far and I hope we can experiment with
> more facets of discourse, like the language translation of forum questions
> etc.
>
>
> > The introduction of so many new/different communication channels
> resulted in
> > this fragmentation leaving people with this feeling of being excluded,
> which is to
> > be avoided.
> >
> > >Personally, what we have now has been working nicely for me for
> close on
> > >20 years.
> >
> What different channels?  We have matrix (which largely replaces IRC and
> allows people on slack to interact with people on Matrix and IRC),
> Discourse I am hoping to replace Mailman with to satisfy the mailing list
> crowd of people and begin to satisfy the needs of others with no patience
> for mailing lists, who relied on Nabble for their interaction (which nabble
> is now dead).
> (so this is about reducing fragmentation in my mind, not increasing it).
> It's about bridging the gap between the old timers and newcomers (just as
> Matrix did for IRC/Slack/etc)
>
> We are not forcing anyone's hands at this point.  I expect we will live
> with both Mailman2 and Discourse at least for the rest of the year, and
> perhaps longer.
>
>
> > Same for me. This is 

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Mailing lists to discourse migration

[Regina Obe via Discuss]

> On Fri, Dec 29, 2023 at 09:52:35AM +1100, Bruce Bannerman via Discuss
> wrote:
> >Apart from these few emails telling me that a move to something called
> >Discourse is happening, I have not seen any discussion on our lists
> >explaining the pros and cons of such a move.
> >I find this lack of community engagement on this issue to be troubling.
> >This does not seem to be a very open source community way of making such
> a
> >significant move.
> 
> I feel the same and ask every OSGeo member with responsibility over
> infrastructure to use this mailing list more as this is the "place"
> with the most foundation members.
> 

First of all, this IS THE DISCUSSION.  We've only moved one mailing list.  We 
are just encouraging people to try it out
first by allowing us to mirror their lists.  No harm in that I see. Most likely 
the lists that will move first are those with not that many people, and who are 
dissatisfied with mail lists like some of the QGIS users groups.

OpenStreetMap put together a nice intro, which I'm hoping we can pattern our 
intro after:

https://community.openstreetmap.org/t/how-to-use-this-forum-for-new-users/314/9

which links to this discussion about pros and cons of mailing lists vs. 
Discourse

https://meta.discourse.org/t/why-use-discourse-instead-of-a-email-mailing-list/54298


My impetus for wanting to move is people asking for it, and complaining about 
how mailing lists don't work 
for people who want only casual involvement. 

Personally I hate mailing lists so they don't work for me.  I only have discuss 
in digest mode cause most of the topics don't interest me.
I only subscribe to a few mailing lists, but I do see with discourse, I can at 
least peak into others and watch specific topics, and be selectively emailed in 
only things that interest me or if someone mentions my name.

We need to move either to Mailman3 or Discourse - end of story.  Mailman2 is 
dead and in looking at what we get with Mailman3, effort to move,
and all the people screaming over the years for discourse 
https://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/ticket/2306  
, and seeing the success of discourse for projects such as OpenStreetMap 
https://community.openstreetmap.org/ , Gnome, I'm leaning heavily toward 
Discourse is the best solution 
for most and most flexible to configure.

* It will allow people who only want to interact via Email only  to still do so

That is not to say there aren't issues with how it handles emails we need to 
work out, which Sandro has made clear, but at least he's trying, so I can't 
complain about him too much.
https://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/ticket/3072

* It will allow people to just post a question and only follow the discussion 
about their question -- I know sounds selfish, but FOSS is about scratching 
your own itch, and hanging around for longer when you decide these people are 
cool and what they talk about is cool.

* It has integration with ActivityPub, thus allowing discussions to flow thru 
to channels like mastodon if wanted. We've been experimenting with that and 
it's been pretty cool so far and I hope we can experiment with more facets of 
discourse, like the language translation of forum questions etc.


> The introduction of so many new/different communication channels resulted in
> this fragmentation leaving people with this feeling of being excluded, which 
> is to
> be avoided.
> 
> >Personally, what we have now has been working nicely for me for close on
> >20 years.
> 
What different channels?  We have matrix (which largely replaces IRC and allows 
people on slack to interact with people on Matrix and IRC),
Discourse I am hoping to replace Mailman with to satisfy the mailing list crowd 
of people and begin to satisfy the needs of others with no patience for mailing 
lists, who relied on Nabble for their interaction (which nabble is now dead).
(so this is about reducing fragmentation in my mind, not increasing it). It's 
about bridging the gap between the old timers and newcomers (just as Matrix did 
for IRC/Slack/etc)

We are not forcing anyone's hands at this point.  I expect we will live with 
both Mailman2 and Discourse at least for the rest of the year, and perhaps 
longer.


> Same for me. This is something new generations probably consider like a reason
> to change (20 years, you oldies!) but I really think email is still the most 
> open and
> available and configuratble communication channel for everyone. I'm 100% sure
> blind people can read and write email just fine, and I know first person that 
> I can
> read and write email even from a place where internet connection quality is
> poor, and from machines which are not very powerful, and I think this is very
> important if we want to be inclusive.
> 
> >The lists have been very quiet for quite a while now, but that is a
> >community engagement issue. It is not something that technology will
> >magically fix.
> 
> This is only partially true: I've seen a 

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Mailing lists to discourse migration

[Sandro Santilli via Discuss]

On Fri, Dec 29, 2023 at 04:16:03PM +, Cannata Massimiliano via Discuss 
wrote:

> it is a factual observation that there has been a sensible decline in the 
> engagement of people in OSGeo...
> Not in the conferences presences but in the remote collaboration and 
> development...

This is a very interesting topic and I've been recently advocating
opening up access to some infrastructure related git repositories
with the specific aim of giving remote collaboration and development
more chances (you cannot collaborate in a private repository for sure)

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[Sandro Santilli via Discuss]

On Sat, Dec 30, 2023 at 12:46:24PM +0100, Markus Neteler via Discuss wrote:
> 
> With an upgrade from mailman-2 to mailman-3 we could also have a
> searchable archive.
> See for example
> https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/
> which looks much more modern than mailman-2 on OSGeo.

Unfortunately nobody stepped up to do that.
Someone (in Matrix chat!) mentioned he would look at it but never
announced any start of work on the SAC mailing list, nor in the SAC
chat room. Any proposal remains theoretical until someone takes on
the effort of making it real.

The corresponding trac ticket is here:

  - https://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/ticket/3028

Personally I'd be very happy to see this upgrade coming, but last I
checked migration of archives was reported to not be "smooth"
(existing mails would not have the same URLs when migrating) so more
decisions are to be made (or someone needs to be bold enough to just
do it and see what happens, which is what was done with Discourse)

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[Sandro Santilli via Discuss]

On Sun, Dec 31, 2023 at 09:56:47AM +0100, Jorge Sanz via Discuss wrote:
> Hi Vicky, allVicky, can you please confirm ...

Just to point out one (only one) of the problems I mentioned in my
previous email about using email over other systems: the mail from
Jorge above arrived to me (and all other subscribers) with a
multipart/mixed Content-Type header. The mixed content was:

  1. A multipart/alternative content (created by Jorge Mail User Agent, I guess)
  2. A text/plain signature (this was added by Mailman)

The content created by Jorge's MUA (multipart/alternative) had 2
alternatively formatted emails:

  1.1. Formatted as text/plain, quoted, utf-8, 10K
  1.2. Formatted as text/html, quoted, utf-8, 24K

My mail software is configured to prefer the text/plain flavor, in
these cases, so that's how I read the email. BUT the email is
formatted in an horrible way (to my taste?): the mail body is a single
line with 5178 characters, according to wl(1):

   1  803 5178

The HTML version is somewhat more readbable but a question arises:
should Mailman "clean up" the mails received before bouncing them
to all subscribers ? But the bigger question is: WHO (among the
OSGeo members) would be partecipating in such a discussion ? And
what's an effective place to discuss about it ? Also: would picking
a different technology ("Discourse", in this case) facilitate these
choices ?

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[Sandro Santilli via Discuss]

On Fri, Dec 29, 2023 at 09:52:35AM +1100, Bruce Bannerman via Discuss wrote:
>Apart from these few emails telling me that a move to something called
>Discourse is happening, I have not seen any discussion on our lists
>explaining the pros and cons of such a move. 
>I find this lack of community engagement on this issue to be troubling.
>This does not seem to be a very open source community way of making such a
>significant move.

I feel the same and ask every OSGeo member with responsibility over
infrastructure to use this mailing list more as this is the "place"
with the most foundation members.

The introduction of so many new/different communication channels
resulted in this fragmentation leaving people with this feeling
of being excluded, which is to be avoided.

>Personally, what we have now has been working nicely for me for close on
>20 years.

Same for me. This is something new generations probably consider like
a reason to change (20 years, you oldies!) but I really think email is
still the most open and available and configuratble communication channel
for everyone. I'm 100% sure blind people can read and write email just
fine, and I know first person that I can read and write email even from a
place where internet connection quality is poor, and from machines
which are not very powerful, and I think this is very important if we
want to be inclusive.

>The lists have been very quiet for quite a while now, but that is a
>community engagement issue. It is not something that technology will
>magically fix.

This is only partially true: I've seen a lot of people who are
being very partecipative BUT do not interact on the mailing lists,
even people having responsibilty on the OSGeo infrastructure have been
expressing a form of dislike for mailing lists, for reasons we cannot
pretend not to see.

I for one only very recently finally got back to manage my own email
and I'm seeing again the problems associated with doing so. This does
not mean the same problems do not exist with other systems, but we
should try to understand the needs of our user base and try to help
with providing solutions.

The above said: I'm also disappointed by not seeing partecipation in
the effort which is required to setup a new service (Discourse) from
the very people who loudly asked for it. Let's all please remember
that infrastructures need to be maintained so please don't ask what
OSGeo can do for you ("I want service X") but rather ask what you can
do for OSGeo ("I want to help maintaining service X").

Thank you for reading so far (short messages are also a kind of
technology some prefer to avoid long messages like mine ;)

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[Luca Delucchi via Discuss]

On Sun, 31 Dec 2023 at 09:57, Jorge Sanz via Discuss <
discuss@lists.osgeo.org> wrote:
>
> Hi Vicky, all
>
> Vicky, can you please confirm that Discourse can be used from email so
members of migrated lists like QGIS-Fr can keep interacting with the
community on the new system from their mails as before, just using a
different email address?
>
> I've seen your tests, but it'd be nice if you can provide more
reassurance on this front.
>

I can confirm this, I'm using it to communicate with OpenStreetMap
Discourse instance, I'm registered only to one category (the Italian one)
getting emails and answering from my email address.

>
> --
> Jorge Sanz
> https://jorgesanz.net
>

Best
Luca
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[Jorge Sanz via Discuss]

 the archives also on 
discourse* Use discourse without a mailing list 
This are the possibilities regarding migration of mailing list* Have the 
mailing list migrated completely to discourse example [1]  (Use discourse 
without a mailing list, but get previous conversations from mailing list)* Have 
a mirror of the mailing in discourse example [2] (Use mailing list and see the 
archives also on discourse)* Have a category on discourse and not have a 
mailing list example [3] was created by Jody (Use discourse without a mailing 
list)* Opt to not migrate or mirror the mailing list example [4] (Use mailing 
list and see the archives only on https://lists.osgeo.org/)[1] 
https://discourse.osgeo.org/c/qgis/qgis-fr-user/5[2] 
https://discourse.osgeo.org/c/sac-global-category/sac/13[3] 
https://discourse.osgeo.org/t/about-the-osgeo-site-feedback-category/1[4] 
https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/foss4g2008loc/RegardsVickyOn Wed, Dec 27, 
2023 at 10:16 AM Jody Garnett  wrote:I was lurking in 
the sys admin chat as I was working on the osgeo sign up form. Mailing lists 
are not going away, but I am unclear at what is being offered.--Jody GarnettOn 
Wed, Dec 27, 2023 at 8:01 AM Eli Adam  wrote:






Hi,




I'm also unclear on what is going on.  It looks like discourse options are 
being added.  This raises questions about mailing lists.  1. Are mailing lists 
going away?  2. Can projects choose to keep just the mailing list and not add 
dicourse?




Thanks, Eli


From: Discuss  on behalf of Vicky Vergara via 
Discuss 
Sent: Tuesday, December 26, 2023 9:52 PM
To: OSGeo Discussions 
Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Mailing lists to discourse migration
 




Hi Jody,




On Tue, Dec 26, 2023 at 9:31 PM Jody Garnett  wrote:


Vicky,


Is there any more information on what is being offered here?


I have not used discourse very much. What do you mean by having a category Can 
you be more clear about migrate and mirror.




Category, is like the one you created about the discourse site feedback.
Mirror, is a category that mirrors the mailing list, so the mails received on 
the mailing list are also shown on discourse.

If you "reply" to those mails using discourse, they will not be shown on the 
mailing list, as the mirror does not send mails to the mailing list.

The reply that will be shown is the one done using mail.






Will the existing list of email subscribers be part of migrating a mailing list


 

When migrating subscribers are also migrated and are "staged users", and they 
can log in using ldap, or github account.
If the mail of their log in matches, the staged users get assigned to the 
person that logged in.


Regards
Vicky
 









--
Jody Garnett










On Tue, Dec 26, 2023 at 1:07 PM Vicky Vergara via Discuss 
 wrote:



Hello all


We are ready to migrate mailing lists to discourse,

* Have the mailing list migrated completely to discourse

* Have a mirror of the mailing in discourse



* Have a category on discourse and not have a mailing list
* Opt to not migrate or mirror the mailing list



A comprehensive list of mailing lists can be found here (not including private 
mailing lists):

https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo



You need to open a ticket to have the work done.

Follow the ticket examples below for the first 3 cases



Regards
Vicky Vergara




Example: Have the mailing list migrated completely to discourse:


Ticket: https://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/ticket/3064 (has link to ticket 3063)
+
Comment in Ticket: https://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/ticket/3063


Created the following discourse category
https://discourse.osgeo.org/c/qgis/qgis-fr-user/5

And the archives of the mailing list will not be removed:
https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/qgis-fr-user/
Migration has finished so any new message to the list will not be received on 
discourse, but the list will be disabled for before the end of january.

Mail on discourse: qgis-fr-user/@discourse.osgeo.org




Example: Have a mirror of the mailing in discourse
Ticket: https://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/ticket/3062

Created the following discourse category
https://discourse.osgeo.org/c/sac-global-category/sac/13
The mailing list will not be removed, and it is a mirror to the mailing list
emails continue to be sent to 
s...@lists.osgeo.org

Replies can be done
https://discourse.osgeo.org/t/re-osgeo-3062-import-sac-mailing-list-to-discourse/4747/2?u=cvvergara
But they will no be reflected on the mailing list
https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/sac/2023-December/thread.html



Example: of category without mailing list

Ticket: https://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/ticket/3066
https://discourse.osgeo.org/c/osgeolive/osgeolive-docs/8





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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Mailing lists to discourse migration

[Vicky Vergara via Discuss]

category on discourse and not have a mailing list example [3]
>>>>> was created by Jody (Use discourse without a mailing list)
>>>>> * Opt to not migrate or mirror the mailing list example [4] (Use
>>>>> mailing list and see the archives only on https://lists.osgeo.org/)
>>>>>
>>>>> [1] https://discourse.osgeo.org/c/qgis/qgis-fr-user/5
>>>>> [2] https://discourse.osgeo.org/c/sac-global-category/sac/13
>>>>> [3]
>>>>> https://discourse.osgeo.org/t/about-the-osgeo-site-feedback-category/1
>>>>> [4] https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/foss4g2008loc/
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards
>>>>> Vicky
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Dec 27, 2023 at 10:16 AM Jody Garnett 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I was lurking in the sys admin chat as I was working on the osgeo
>>>>>> sign up form. Mailing lists are not going away, but I am unclear at what 
>>>>>> is
>>>>>> being offered.
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Jody Garnett
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 27, 2023 at 8:01 AM Eli Adam 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm also unclear on what is going on.  It looks like discourse
>>>>>>> options are being added.  This raises questions about mailing lists.  1.
>>>>>>> Are mailing lists going away?  2. Can projects choose to keep just the
>>>>>>> mailing list and not add dicourse?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks, Eli
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> *From:* Discuss  on behalf of
>>>>>>> Vicky Vergara via Discuss 
>>>>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 26, 2023 9:52 PM
>>>>>>> *To:* OSGeo Discussions 
>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Mailing lists to discourse migration
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Jody,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, Dec 26, 2023 at 9:31 PM Jody Garnett 
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Vicky,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Is there any more information on what is being offered here?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have not used discourse very much. What do you mean by having a
>>>>>>> category Can you be more clear about migrate and mirror.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Category, is like the one you created about the discourse site
>>>>>>> feedback.
>>>>>>> Mirror, is a category that mirrors the mailing list, so the mails
>>>>>>> received on the mailing list are also shown on discourse.
>>>>>>> If you "reply" to those mails using discourse, they will not be
>>>>>>> shown on the mailing list, as the mirror does not send mails to the 
>>>>>>> mailing
>>>>>>> list.
>>>>>>> The reply that will be shown is the one done using mail.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Will the existing list of email subscribers be part of migrating a
>>>>>>> mailing list
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> When migrating subscribers are also migrated and are "staged users",
>>>>>>> and they can log in using ldap, or github account.
>>>>>>> If the mail of their log in matches, the staged users get assigned
>>>>>>> to the person that logged in.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>> Vicky
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Jody Garnett
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, Dec 26, 2023 at 1:07 PM Vicky Vergara via Discuss <
>>>>>>> discuss@lists.osgeo.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hello all
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We are ready to migrate mailing lists to discourse,
>>>>>>> * Have the mailing list migrated completely to discourse
>>>>>>> * Have a mirror of the mailing in discourse
>>>>>>> * Have a category on discourse and not have a mailing list
>>>>>>> * Opt to not migrate or mirror the mailing list
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> A comprehensive list of mailing lists can be found here (not
>>>>>>> including private mailing lists):
>>>>>>> https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You need to open a ticket to have the work done.
>>>>>>> Follow the ticket examples below for the first 3 cases
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>> Vicky Vergara
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Example: Have the mailing list migrated completely to discourse:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ticket: https://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/ticket/3064 (has link to
>>>>>>> ticket 3063)
>>>>>>> +
>>>>>>> Comment in Ticket: https://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/ticket/3063
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Created the following discourse category
>>>>>>> https://discourse.osgeo.org/c/qgis/qgis-fr-user/5
>>>>>>> And the archives of the mailing list will not be removed:
>>>>>>> https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/qgis-fr-user/
>>>>>>> Migration has finished so any new message to the list will not be
>>>>>>> received on discourse, but the list will be disabled for before the end 
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>> january.
>>>>>>> Mail on discourse: qgis-fr-user/@discourse.osgeo.org
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Example: Have a mirror of the mailing in discourse
>>>>>>> Ticket: https://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/ticket/3062
>>>>>>> Created the following discourse category
>>>>>>> https://discourse.osgeo.org/c/sac-global-category/sac/13
>>>>>>> The mailing list will not be removed, and it is a mirror to the
>>>>>>> mailing list
>>>>>>> emails continue to be sent to s...@lists.osgeo.org
>>>>>>> Replies can be done
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://discourse.osgeo.org/t/re-osgeo-3062-import-sac-mailing-list-to-discourse/4747/2?u=cvvergara
>>>>>>> But they will no be reflected on the mailing list
>>>>>>> https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/sac/2023-December/thread.html
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Example: of category without mailing list
>>>>>>> Ticket: https://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/ticket/3066
>>>>>>> https://discourse.osgeo.org/c/osgeolive/osgeolive-docs/8
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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[Markus Neteler via Discuss]

Hi,

On Sat, Dec 30, 2023 at 10:55 AM Luca Delucchi via Discuss
 wrote:
...
> I'm also quite new to Discourse but For what I can see with the discourse 
> instance of OpenStreetMap where the
> Italian OSM community created a category for Italian discussion there are 
> only pros to have Discourse instead mailman since:
> - people used to use mailing list can continue to answer via email
> - people used to write via forum con use this way
> - archive is searchable

Just to add to the options we 8theoretically) have:

With an upgrade from mailman-2 to mailman-3 we could also have a
searchable archive.
See for example
https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/
which looks much more modern than mailman-2 on OSGeo.

> For my little usage I don't see any cons to move from mailman to Discourse, 
> however as Jody said every community can choose their own tool to communicate

Let me suggest to avid too much fragmentation. This will not help to
get people more engaged.

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[Luca Delucchi via Discuss]

Il ven 29 dic 2023, 16:38 Jody Garnett via Discuss 
ha scritto:

> Vicky is just the messenger, and may of caused some confusion when
> describing a new service the system admin committee has brought online.
> There no move planned; just some new software has just been installed and
> is available for any groups wishing to make use of discourse.
>
> Folks have requested a forum for a while now - part of lowering the
> barrier of entry for a new generation etc…
> I hope the groups that have been waiting for this could help explain to
> the discussion list.
>
> I am afraid I am just unfamiliar with this particular forum software which
> is why I have been asking questions.
>

I'm also quite new to Discourse but For what I can see with the discourse
instance of OpenStreetMap where the Italian OSM community created a
category for Italian discussion there are only pros to have Discourse
instead mailman since:
- people used to use mailing list can continue to answer via email
- people used to write via forum con use this way
- archive is searchable

For my little usage I don't see any cons to move from mailman to Discourse,
however as Jody said every community can choose their own tool to
communicate

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> Jody Garnett
>

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Mailing lists to discourse migration

[Cannata Massimiliano via Discuss]

 and another catergory for Q
--
Jody Garnett


On Wed, Dec 27, 2023 at 9:07 AM Vicky Vergara 
mailto:vi...@erosion.dev>> wrote:
Hi Jody

We are offering options

Before:
Use mailing list

After:
* Use mailing list and see the archives only on https://lists.osgeo.org/
* Use mailing list and see the archives also on discourse
* Use discourse without a mailing list


This are the possibilities regarding migration of mailing list
* Have the mailing list migrated completely to discourse example [1]  (Use 
discourse without a mailing list, but get previous conversations from mailing 
list)
* Have a mirror of the mailing in discourse example [2] (Use mailing list and 
see the archives also on discourse)
* Have a category on discourse and not have a mailing list example [3] was 
created by Jody (Use discourse without a mailing list)
* Opt to not migrate or mirror the mailing list example [4] (Use mailing list 
and see the archives only on https://lists.osgeo.org/)

[1] https://discourse.osgeo.org/c/qgis/qgis-fr-user/5
[2] https://discourse.osgeo.org/c/sac-global-category/sac/13
[3] https://discourse.osgeo.org/t/about-the-osgeo-site-feedback-category/1
[4] https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/foss4g2008loc/

Regards
Vicky

On Wed, Dec 27, 2023 at 10:16 AM Jody Garnett 
mailto:jody.garn...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I was lurking in the sys admin chat as I was working on the osgeo sign up form. 
Mailing lists are not going away, but I am unclear at what is being offered.
--
Jody Garnett


On Wed, Dec 27, 2023 at 8:01 AM Eli Adam 
mailto:ea...@co.lincoln.or.us>> wrote:
Hi,

I'm also unclear on what is going on.  It looks like discourse options are 
being added.  This raises questions about mailing lists.  1. Are mailing lists 
going away?  2. Can projects choose to keep just the mailing list and not add 
dicourse?

Thanks, Eli

From: Discuss 
mailto:discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org>> on 
behalf of Vicky Vergara via Discuss 
mailto:discuss@lists.osgeo.org>>
Sent: Tuesday, December 26, 2023 9:52 PM
To: OSGeo Discussions mailto:discuss@lists.osgeo.org>>
Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Mailing lists to discourse migration

Hi Jody,

On Tue, Dec 26, 2023 at 9:31 PM Jody Garnett 
mailto:jody.garn...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Vicky,

Is there any more information on what is being offered here?

I have not used discourse very much. What do you mean by having a category Can 
you be more clear about migrate and mirror.

Category, is like the one you created about the discourse site feedback.
Mirror, is a category that mirrors the mailing list, so the mails received on 
the mailing list are also shown on discourse.
If you "reply" to those mails using discourse, they will not be shown on the 
mailing list, as the mirror does not send mails to the mailing list.
The reply that will be shown is the one done using mail.


Will the existing list of email subscribers be part of migrating a mailing list

When migrating subscribers are also migrated and are "staged users", and they 
can log in using ldap, or github account.
If the mail of their log in matches, the staged users get assigned to the 
person that logged in.

Regards
Vicky

--
Jody Garnett


On Tue, Dec 26, 2023 at 1:07 PM Vicky Vergara via Discuss 
mailto:discuss@lists.osgeo.org>> wrote:
Hello all

We are ready to migrate mailing lists to discourse,
* Have the mailing list migrated completely to discourse
* Have a mirror of the mailing in discourse
* Have a category on discourse and not have a mailing list
* Opt to not migrate or mirror the mailing list

A comprehensive list of mailing lists can be found here (not including private 
mailing lists):
https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo

You need to open a ticket to have the work done.
Follow the ticket examples below for the first 3 cases

Regards
Vicky Vergara

Example: Have the mailing list migrated completely to discourse:

Ticket: https://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/ticket/3064 (has link to ticket 3063)
+
Comment in Ticket: https://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/ticket/3063

Created the following discourse category
https://discourse.osgeo.org/c/qgis/qgis-fr-user/5
And the archives of the mailing list will not be removed:
https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/qgis-fr-user/
Migration has finished so any new message to the list will not be received on 
discourse, but the list will be disabled for before the end of january.
Mail on discourse: qgis-fr-user/@discourse.osgeo.org<http://discourse.osgeo.org>

Example: Have a mirror of the mailing in discourse
Ticket: https://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/ticket/3062
Created the following discourse category
https://discourse.osgeo.org/c/sac-global-category/sac/13
The mailing list will not be removed, and it is a mirror to the mailing list
emails continue to be sent to s...@lists.osgeo.org<mailto:s...@lists.osgeo.org>
Replies can be done
https://discourse.osgeo.org/t/re-osgeo-3062-import-sac-mailing-list-to-discourse/4747

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Mailing lists to discourse migration

[Jody Garnett via Discuss]

/)
>
> [1] https://discourse.osgeo.org/c/qgis/qgis-fr-user/5
> [2] https://discourse.osgeo.org/c/sac-global-category/sac/13
> [3] https://discourse.osgeo.org/t/about-the-osgeo-site-feedback-category/1
> [4] https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/foss4g2008loc/
>
> Regards
> Vicky
>
> On Wed, Dec 27, 2023 at 10:16 AM Jody Garnett 
> wrote:
>
> I was lurking in the sys admin chat as I was working on the osgeo sign up
> form. Mailing lists are not going away, but I am unclear at what is being
> offered.
> --
> Jody Garnett
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 27, 2023 at 8:01 AM Eli Adam  wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I'm also unclear on what is going on.  It looks like discourse options are
> being added.  This raises questions about mailing lists.  1. Are mailing
> lists going away?  2. Can projects choose to keep just the mailing list and
> not add dicourse?
>
> Thanks, Eli
> --
> *From:* Discuss  on behalf of Vicky
> Vergara via Discuss 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 26, 2023 9:52 PM
> *To:* OSGeo Discussions 
> *Subject:* Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Mailing lists to discourse migration
>
> Hi Jody,
>
> On Tue, Dec 26, 2023 at 9:31 PM Jody Garnett 
> wrote:
>
> Vicky,
>
> Is there any more information on what is being offered here?
>
> I have not used discourse very much. What do you mean by having a category
> Can you be more clear about migrate and mirror.
>
>
> Category, is like the one you created about the discourse site feedback.
> Mirror, is a category that mirrors the mailing list, so the mails received
> on the mailing list are also shown on discourse.
> If you "reply" to those mails using discourse, they will not be shown on
> the mailing list, as the mirror does not send mails to the mailing list.
> The reply that will be shown is the one done using mail.
>
>
> Will the existing list of email subscribers be part of migrating a mailing
> list
>
>
> When migrating subscribers are also migrated and are "staged users", and
> they can log in using ldap, or github account.
> If the mail of their log in matches, the staged users get assigned to the
> person that logged in.
>
> Regards
> Vicky
>
>
> --
> Jody Garnett
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 26, 2023 at 1:07 PM Vicky Vergara via Discuss <
> discuss@lists.osgeo.org> wrote:
>
> Hello all
>
> We are ready to migrate mailing lists to discourse,
> * Have the mailing list migrated completely to discourse
> * Have a mirror of the mailing in discourse
> * Have a category on discourse and not have a mailing list
> * Opt to not migrate or mirror the mailing list
>
> A comprehensive list of mailing lists can be found here (not including
> private mailing lists):
> https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo
>
> You need to open a ticket to have the work done.
> Follow the ticket examples below for the first 3 cases
>
> Regards
> Vicky Vergara
>
> Example: Have the mailing list migrated completely to discourse:
>
> Ticket: https://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/ticket/3064 (has link to ticket 3063)
> +
> Comment in Ticket: https://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/ticket/3063
>
> Created the following discourse category
> https://discourse.osgeo.org/c/qgis/qgis-fr-user/5
> And the archives of the mailing list will not be removed:
> https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/qgis-fr-user/
> Migration has finished so any new message to the list will not be received
> on discourse, but the list will be disabled for before the end of january.
> Mail on discourse: qgis-fr-user/@discourse.osgeo.org
>
> Example: Have a mirror of the mailing in discourse
> Ticket: https://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/ticket/3062
> Created the following discourse category
> https://discourse.osgeo.org/c/sac-global-category/sac/13
> The mailing list will not be removed, and it is a mirror to the mailing
> list
> emails continue to be sent to s...@lists.osgeo.org
> Replies can be done
>
> https://discourse.osgeo.org/t/re-osgeo-3062-import-sac-mailing-list-to-discourse/4747/2?u=cvvergara
> But they will no be reflected on the mailing list
> https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/sac/2023-December/thread.html
>
> Example: of category without mailing list
> Ticket: https://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/ticket/3066
> https://discourse.osgeo.org/c/osgeolive/osgeolive-docs/8
>
>
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Mailing lists to discourse migration

[Michael smith via Discuss]

I thought discourse was here to supplement the Mailing Lists, not replace them. To offer an alternative access means. And to provide something we lost when Nabble shut down.MikeMichael SmithUS Army CorpsOn Dec 29, 2023, at 8:30 AM, SERGIO ACOSTAYLARA via Discuss  wrote:






I am one of those guys that have little idea of what is happening with these changes... And also one that takes notice (and is kind of worry) about the little activity that is taking place in the lists...




Sergio Acosta y Lara
Departamento de Geomática
Dirección Nacional de Topografía
Ministerio de Transporte y Obras Públicas
URUGUAY
(598)29157933 ints. 20329
http://geoportal.mtop.gub.uy/





De: Discuss  en nombre de Cannata Massimiliano via Discuss 
Enviado: viernes, 29 de diciembre de 2023 8:43:03
Para: Bruce Bannerman; discuss@lists.osgeo.org
Asunto: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Mailing lists to discourse migration
 



Dear all,
My 2cents...


Discourse seems an appealing solution for query and answer but I agree with Bruce that before we move we should have a nice open discussion, since it's not gonna be the magic stick... 
I've seen the platform used at some universities and seeing last post dated one year ago didn't attract people to use it..


I also believe we have a low engagement rate in the latest year and deep open reflections should be done in my opinion to revamp it... Since our community have been highly relevant and has more to say in my opinion..


Il 28 dic 2023 23:53, Bruce Bannerman via Discuss  ha scritto:



Apart from these few emails telling me that a move to something called Discourse is happening, I have not seen any discussion on our lists explaining the pros and cons of such a move. 


I find this lack of community engagement on this issue to be troubling.


This does not seem to be a very open source community way of making such a significant move.


Personally, what we have now has been working nicely for me for close on 20 years.


The lists have been very quiet for quite a while now, but that is a community engagement issue. It is not something that technology will magically fix.


It seems to me that we have a case of the tail wagging the dog.


Kind regards,


Bruce



On 29 Dec 2023, at 05:15, Jody Garnett via Discuss  wrote:






Reading online it appears there is:


1. A mailing list mode so notifications are sent out each time a post is made (this is a user preference)


2. A reply via email mode


So experimentation is needed.


Reference:
- 
https://meta.discourse.org/t/what-is-mailing-list-mode/46008/8
- 
https://meta.discourse.org/t/set-up-reply-by-email-with-pop3-polling/14003







--
Jody Garnett












On Thu, Dec 28, 2023 at 10:09 AM Jody Garnett <jody.garn...@gmail.com> wrote:


I think we need someone who understand how discourse works to make an informed decision.


If the forum fills up with questions; and the developers are minding the email list - it will not work out so well :) At least as described.





--
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On Thu, Dec 28, 2023 at 6:58 AM Vicky Vergara <vi...@erosion.dev> wrote:







On Wed, Dec 27, 2023 at 11:43 AM Jody Garnett <jody.garn...@gmail.com> wrote:


Q: So if a mailing list is mirrored to discourse it operates similar to nabble used to? Is searchable etc …



I don't know the details of how discourse works, 
 



But replies done via discourse are not sent to mailing list subscribers - so it is one way communication.

https://meta.discourse.org/t/create-a-read-only-mailing-list-mirror/77990
 

And the thinking here is that discourse is easier for people who want to ask a specific question without subscribing to a mailing list (and getting yet more email).

Yes, so you can have the mirror in one category and another catergory for Q













--
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On Wed, Dec 27, 2023 at 9:07 AM Vicky Vergara <vi...@erosion.dev> wrote:




Hi Jody


We are offering options


Before:
Use mailing list




After:
* Use mailing list and see the archives only on 
https://lists.osgeo.org/

* Use mailing list and see the archives also on discourse
* Use discourse without a mailing list




This are the possibilities regarding migration of mailing list
* Have the mailing list migrated completely to discourse example [1]  (Use discourse without a mailing list, but get previous conversations from mailing list)

* Have a mirror of the mailing in discourse example [2] (Use mailing list and see the archives also on discourse)


* Have a category on discourse and not have a mailing list example [3] was created by Jody (Use discourse without a mailing list)
* Opt to not migrate or mirror the mailing list example [4] (Use mailing list and see the archives only on
https://lists.osgeo.org/)


[1] https://discourse.osgeo.org/c/qgis/qgis-fr-user/5
[2] https://discourse.osgeo.org/c/sac-global-category/sac/13
[3] 
https://discourse.osgeo.org/t/about-the-osgeo-site-feedback-category/1

[4] https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/fos

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Mailing lists to discourse migration

[SERGIO ACOSTAYLARA via Discuss]

I am one of those guys that have little idea of what is happening with these 
changes... And also one that takes notice (and is kind of worry) about the 
little activity that is taking place in the lists...


Sergio Acosta y Lara
Departamento de Geomática
Dirección Nacional de Topografía
Ministerio de Transporte y Obras Públicas
URUGUAY
(598)29157933 ints. 20329
http://geoportal.mtop.gub.uy/

De: Discuss  en nombre de Cannata Massimiliano 
via Discuss 
Enviado: viernes, 29 de diciembre de 2023 8:43:03
Para: Bruce Bannerman; discuss@lists.osgeo.org
Asunto: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Mailing lists to discourse migration

Dear all,
My 2cents...

Discourse seems an appealing solution for query and answer but I agree with 
Bruce that before we move we should have a nice open discussion, since it's not 
gonna be the magic stick...
I've seen the platform used at some universities and seeing last post dated one 
year ago didn't attract people to use it..

I also believe we have a low engagement rate in the latest year and deep open 
reflections should be done in my opinion to revamp it... Since our community 
have been highly relevant and has more to say in my opinion..


Il 28 dic 2023 23:53, Bruce Bannerman via Discuss  ha 
scritto:
Apart from these few emails telling me that a move to something called 
Discourse is happening, I have not seen any discussion on our lists explaining 
the pros and cons of such a move.

I find this lack of community engagement on this issue to be troubling.

This does not seem to be a very open source community way of making such a 
significant move.

Personally, what we have now has been working nicely for me for close on 20 
years.

The lists have been very quiet for quite a while now, but that is a community 
engagement issue. It is not something that technology will magically fix.

It seems to me that we have a case of the tail wagging the dog.

Kind regards,

Bruce


On 29 Dec 2023, at 05:15, Jody Garnett via Discuss  
wrote:


Reading online it appears there is:

1. A mailing list mode so notifications are sent out each time a post is made 
(this is a user preference)

2. A reply via email mode

So experimentation is needed.

Reference:
-
https://meta.discourse.org/t/what-is-mailing-list-mode/46008/8
-
https://meta.discourse.org/t/set-up-reply-by-email-with-pop3-polling/14003


--
Jody Garnett


On Thu, Dec 28, 2023 at 10:09 AM Jody Garnett 
mailto:jody.garn...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I think we need someone who understand how discourse works to make an informed 
decision.

If the forum fills up with questions; and the developers are minding the email 
list - it will not work out so well :) At least as described.
--
Jody Garnett


On Thu, Dec 28, 2023 at 6:58 AM Vicky Vergara 
mailto:vi...@erosion.dev>> wrote:


On Wed, Dec 27, 2023 at 11:43 AM Jody Garnett 
mailto:jody.garn...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Q: So if a mailing list is mirrored to discourse it operates similar to nabble 
used to? Is searchable etc …

I don't know the details of how discourse works,

But replies done via discourse are not sent to mailing list subscribers - so it 
is one way communication.
https://meta.discourse.org/t/create-a-read-only-mailing-list-mirror/77990

And the thinking here is that discourse is easier for people who want to ask a 
specific question without subscribing to a mailing list (and getting yet more 
email).
Yes, so you can have the mirror in one category and another catergory for Q
--
Jody Garnett


On Wed, Dec 27, 2023 at 9:07 AM Vicky Vergara 
mailto:vi...@erosion.dev>> wrote:
Hi Jody

We are offering options

Before:
Use mailing list

After:
* Use mailing list and see the archives only on https://lists.osgeo.org/
* Use mailing list and see the archives also on discourse
* Use discourse without a mailing list


This are the possibilities regarding migration of mailing list
* Have the mailing list migrated completely to discourse example [1]  (Use 
discourse without a mailing list, but get previous conversations from mailing 
list)
* Have a mirror of the mailing in discourse example [2] (Use mailing list and 
see the archives also on discourse)
* Have a category on discourse and not have a mailing list example [3] was 
created by Jody (Use discourse without a mailing list)
* Opt to not migrate or mirror the mailing list example [4] (Use mailing list 
and see the archives only on https://lists.osgeo.org/)

[1] https://discourse.osgeo.org/c/qgis/qgis-fr-user/5
[2] https://discourse.osgeo.org/c/sac-global-category/sac/13
[3] https://discourse.osgeo.org/t/about-the-osgeo-site-feedback-category/1
[4] https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/foss4g2008loc/

Regards
Vicky

On Wed, Dec 27, 2023 at 10:16 AM Jody Garnett 
mailto:jody.garn...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I was lurking in the sys admin chat as I was working on the osgeo sign up form. 
Mailing lists are not going away, but I am unclear at what is being offered.
--
Jody Garnett


On Wed, De

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Mailing lists to discourse migration

[Cannata Massimiliano via Discuss]

Dear all,
My 2cents...

Discourse seems an appealing solution for query and answer but I agree with 
Bruce that before we move we should have a nice open discussion, since it's not 
gonna be the magic stick...
I've seen the platform used at some universities and seeing last post dated one 
year ago didn't attract people to use it..

I also believe we have a low engagement rate in the latest year and deep open 
reflections should be done in my opinion to revamp it... Since our community 
have been highly relevant and has more to say in my opinion..


Il 28 dic 2023 23:53, Bruce Bannerman via Discuss  ha 
scritto:
Apart from these few emails telling me that a move to something called 
Discourse is happening, I have not seen any discussion on our lists explaining 
the pros and cons of such a move.

I find this lack of community engagement on this issue to be troubling.

This does not seem to be a very open source community way of making such a 
significant move.

Personally, what we have now has been working nicely for me for close on 20 
years.

The lists have been very quiet for quite a while now, but that is a community 
engagement issue. It is not something that technology will magically fix.

It seems to me that we have a case of the tail wagging the dog.

Kind regards,

Bruce


On 29 Dec 2023, at 05:15, Jody Garnett via Discuss  
wrote:


Reading online it appears there is:

1. A mailing list mode so notifications are sent out each time a post is made 
(this is a user preference)

2. A reply via email mode

So experimentation is needed.

Reference:
-
https://meta.discourse.org/t/what-is-mailing-list-mode/46008/8
-
https://meta.discourse.org/t/set-up-reply-by-email-with-pop3-polling/14003


--
Jody Garnett


On Thu, Dec 28, 2023 at 10:09 AM Jody Garnett 
mailto:jody.garn...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I think we need someone who understand how discourse works to make an informed 
decision.

If the forum fills up with questions; and the developers are minding the email 
list - it will not work out so well :) At least as described.
--
Jody Garnett


On Thu, Dec 28, 2023 at 6:58 AM Vicky Vergara 
mailto:vi...@erosion.dev>> wrote:


On Wed, Dec 27, 2023 at 11:43 AM Jody Garnett 
mailto:jody.garn...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Q: So if a mailing list is mirrored to discourse it operates similar to nabble 
used to? Is searchable etc …

I don't know the details of how discourse works,

But replies done via discourse are not sent to mailing list subscribers - so it 
is one way communication.
https://meta.discourse.org/t/create-a-read-only-mailing-list-mirror/77990

And the thinking here is that discourse is easier for people who want to ask a 
specific question without subscribing to a mailing list (and getting yet more 
email).
Yes, so you can have the mirror in one category and another catergory for Q
--
Jody Garnett


On Wed, Dec 27, 2023 at 9:07 AM Vicky Vergara 
mailto:vi...@erosion.dev>> wrote:
Hi Jody

We are offering options

Before:
Use mailing list

After:
* Use mailing list and see the archives only on https://lists.osgeo.org/
* Use mailing list and see the archives also on discourse
* Use discourse without a mailing list


This are the possibilities regarding migration of mailing list
* Have the mailing list migrated completely to discourse example [1]  (Use 
discourse without a mailing list, but get previous conversations from mailing 
list)
* Have a mirror of the mailing in discourse example [2] (Use mailing list and 
see the archives also on discourse)
* Have a category on discourse and not have a mailing list example [3] was 
created by Jody (Use discourse without a mailing list)
* Opt to not migrate or mirror the mailing list example [4] (Use mailing list 
and see the archives only on https://lists.osgeo.org/)

[1] https://discourse.osgeo.org/c/qgis/qgis-fr-user/5
[2] https://discourse.osgeo.org/c/sac-global-category/sac/13
[3] https://discourse.osgeo.org/t/about-the-osgeo-site-feedback-category/1
[4] https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/foss4g2008loc/

Regards
Vicky

On Wed, Dec 27, 2023 at 10:16 AM Jody Garnett 
mailto:jody.garn...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I was lurking in the sys admin chat as I was working on the osgeo sign up form. 
Mailing lists are not going away, but I am unclear at what is being offered.
--
Jody Garnett


On Wed, Dec 27, 2023 at 8:01 AM Eli Adam 
mailto:ea...@co.lincoln.or.us>> wrote:
Hi,

I'm also unclear on what is going on.  It looks like discourse options are 
being added.  This raises questions about mailing lists.  1. Are mailing lists 
going away?  2. Can projects choose to keep just the mailing list and not add 
dicourse?

Thanks, Eli

From: Discuss 
mailto:discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org>> on 
behalf of Vicky Vergara via Discuss 
mailto:discuss@lists.osgeo.org>>
Sent: Tuesday, December 26, 2023 9:52 PM
To: OSGeo Discussions mailto:discuss@lists.osgeo.org>>
Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Mailing lists 

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Mailing lists to discourse migration

[Bruce Bannerman via Discuss]

Apart from these few emails telling me that a move to something called Discourse is happening, I have not seen any discussion on our lists explaining the pros and cons of such a move. I find this lack of community engagement on this issue to be troubling.This does not seem to be a very open source community way of making such a significant move.Personally, what we have now has been working nicely for me for close on 20 years.The lists have been very quiet for quite a while now, but that is a community engagement issue. It is not something that technology will magically fix.It seems to me that we have a case of the tail wagging the dog.Kind regards,BruceOn 29 Dec 2023, at 05:15, Jody Garnett via Discuss  wrote:Reading online it appears there is:1. A mailing list mode so notifications are sent out each time a post is made (this is a user preference)2. A reply via email modeSo experimentation is needed.Reference:- https://meta.discourse.org/t/what-is-mailing-list-mode/46008/8- https://meta.discourse.org/t/set-up-reply-by-email-with-pop3-polling/14003--Jody GarnettOn Thu, Dec 28, 2023 at 10:09 AM Jody Garnett <jody.garn...@gmail.com> wrote:I think we need someone who understand how discourse works to make an informed decision.If the forum fills up with questions; and the developers are minding the email list - it will not work out so well :) At least as described.--Jody GarnettOn Thu, Dec 28, 2023 at 6:58 AM Vicky Vergara <vi...@erosion.dev> wrote:On Wed, Dec 27, 2023 at 11:43 AM Jody Garnett <jody.garn...@gmail.com> wrote:Q: So if a mailing list is mirrored to discourse it operates similar to nabble used to? Is searchable etc …I don't know the details of how discourse works,  But replies done via discourse are not sent to mailing list subscribers - so it is one way communication.https://meta.discourse.org/t/create-a-read-only-mailing-list-mirror/77990 And the thinking here is that discourse is easier for people who want to ask a specific question without subscribing to a mailing list (and getting yet more email).Yes, so you can have the mirror in one category and another catergory for Q --Jody GarnettOn Wed, Dec 27, 2023 at 9:07 AM Vicky Vergara <vi...@erosion.dev> wrote:Hi JodyWe are offering optionsBefore:Use mailing listAfter:* Use mailing list and see the archives only on https://lists.osgeo.org/* Use mailing list and see the archives also on discourse* Use discourse without a mailing list 
This are the possibilities regarding migration of mailing list* Have the mailing list migrated completely to discourse example [1]  (Use discourse without a mailing list, but get previous conversations from mailing list)* Have a mirror of the mailing in discourse example [2] (Use mailing list and see the archives also on discourse)* Have a category on discourse and not have a mailing list example [3] was created by Jody (Use discourse without a mailing list)* Opt to not migrate or mirror the mailing list example [4] (Use mailing list and see the archives only on https://lists.osgeo.org/)[1] https://discourse.osgeo.org/c/qgis/qgis-fr-user/5[2] https://discourse.osgeo.org/c/sac-global-category/sac/13[3] https://discourse.osgeo.org/t/about-the-osgeo-site-feedback-category/1[4] https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/foss4g2008loc/RegardsVickyOn Wed, Dec 27, 2023 at 10:16 AM Jody Garnett <jody.garn...@gmail.com> wrote:I was lurking in the sys admin chat as I was working on the osgeo sign up form. Mailing lists are not going away, but I am unclear at what is being offered.--Jody GarnettOn Wed, Dec 27, 2023 at 8:01 AM Eli Adam <ea...@co.lincoln.or.us> wrote:






Hi,




I'm also unclear on what is going on.  It looks like discourse options are being added.  This raises questions about mailing lists.  1. Are mailing lists going away?  2. Can projects choose to keep just the mailing list and not add dicourse?




Thanks, Eli


From: Discuss <discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org> on behalf of Vicky Vergara via Discuss <discuss@lists.osgeo.org>
Sent: Tuesday, December 26, 2023 9:52 PM
To: OSGeo Discussions <discuss@lists.osgeo.org>
Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Mailing lists to discourse migration
 




Hi Jody,




On Tue, Dec 26, 2023 at 9:31 PM Jody Garnett <jody.garn...@gmail.com> wrote:


Vicky,


Is there any more information on what is being offered here?


I have not used discourse very much. What do you mean by having a category Can you be more clear about migrate and mirror.




Category, is like the one you created about the discourse site feedback.
Mirror, is a category that mirrors the mailing list, so the mails received on the mailing list are also shown on discourse.

If you "reply" to those mails using discourse, they will not be shown on the mailing list, as the mirror does not send mails to the mailing list.

The reply that will be shown is the one done using mail.






Will the existing list of email subscribers be part of migrating a mailing 

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Mailing lists to discourse migration

[Jody Garnett via Discuss]

Reading online it appears there is:

1. A mailing list mode so notifications are sent out each time a post is
made (this is a user preference)

2. A reply via email mode

So experimentation is needed.

Reference:
-
https://meta.discourse.org/t/what-is-mailing-list-mode/46008/8
-
https://meta.discourse.org/t/set-up-reply-by-email-with-pop3-polling/14003


--
Jody Garnett


On Thu, Dec 28, 2023 at 10:09 AM Jody Garnett 
wrote:

> I think we need someone who understand how discourse works to make an
> informed decision.
>
> If the forum fills up with questions; and the developers are minding the
> email list - it will not work out so well :) At least as described.
> --
> Jody Garnett
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 28, 2023 at 6:58 AM Vicky Vergara  wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 27, 2023 at 11:43 AM Jody Garnett 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Q: So if a mailing list is mirrored to discourse it operates similar to
>>> nabble used to? Is searchable etc …
>>>
>>> I don't know the details of how discourse works,
>>
>>
>>> But replies done via discourse are not sent to mailing list subscribers
>>> - so it is one way communication.
>>>
>> https://meta.discourse.org/t/create-a-read-only-mailing-list-mirror/77990
>>
>>
>>> And the thinking here is that discourse is easier for people who want to
>>> ask a specific question without subscribing to a mailing list (and getting
>>> yet more email).
>>>
>> Yes, so you can have the mirror in one category and another catergory for
>> Q
>>
>>> --
>>> Jody Garnett
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Dec 27, 2023 at 9:07 AM Vicky Vergara  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Jody
>>>>
>>>> We are offering options
>>>>
>>>> Before:
>>>> Use mailing list
>>>>
>>>> After:
>>>> * Use mailing list and see the archives only on
>>>> https://lists.osgeo.org/
>>>> * Use mailing list and see the archives also on discourse
>>>> * Use discourse without a mailing list
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> This are the possibilities regarding migration of mailing list
>>>> * Have the mailing list migrated completely to discourse example [1]
>>>> (Use discourse without a mailing list, but get previous conversations from
>>>> mailing list)
>>>> * Have a mirror of the mailing in discourse example [2] (Use mailing
>>>> list and see the archives also on discourse)
>>>> * Have a category on discourse and not have a mailing list example [3]
>>>> was created by Jody (Use discourse without a mailing list)
>>>> * Opt to not migrate or mirror the mailing list example [4] (Use
>>>> mailing list and see the archives only on https://lists.osgeo.org/)
>>>>
>>>> [1] https://discourse.osgeo.org/c/qgis/qgis-fr-user/5
>>>> [2] https://discourse.osgeo.org/c/sac-global-category/sac/13
>>>> [3]
>>>> https://discourse.osgeo.org/t/about-the-osgeo-site-feedback-category/1
>>>> [4] https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/foss4g2008loc/
>>>>
>>>> Regards
>>>> Vicky
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Dec 27, 2023 at 10:16 AM Jody Garnett 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I was lurking in the sys admin chat as I was working on the osgeo sign
>>>>> up form. Mailing lists are not going away, but I am unclear at what is
>>>>> being offered.
>>>>> --
>>>>> Jody Garnett
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Dec 27, 2023 at 8:01 AM Eli Adam 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm also unclear on what is going on.  It looks like discourse
>>>>>> options are being added.  This raises questions about mailing lists.  1.
>>>>>> Are mailing lists going away?  2. Can projects choose to keep just the
>>>>>> mailing list and not add dicourse?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks, Eli
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> *From:* Discuss  on behalf of Vicky
>>>>>> Vergara via Discuss 
>>>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 26, 2023 9:52 PM
>>>>>> *To:* OSGeo Discussions 
>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Mailing lists to discourse migration
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Jody,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Dec 26, 2023 at 9:

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Mailing lists to discourse migration

[Jody Garnett via Discuss]

I think we need someone who understand how discourse works to make an
informed decision.

If the forum fills up with questions; and the developers are minding the
email list - it will not work out so well :) At least as described.
--
Jody Garnett


On Thu, Dec 28, 2023 at 6:58 AM Vicky Vergara  wrote:

>
>
> On Wed, Dec 27, 2023 at 11:43 AM Jody Garnett 
> wrote:
>
>> Q: So if a mailing list is mirrored to discourse it operates similar to
>> nabble used to? Is searchable etc …
>>
>> I don't know the details of how discourse works,
>
>
>> But replies done via discourse are not sent to mailing list subscribers -
>> so it is one way communication.
>>
> https://meta.discourse.org/t/create-a-read-only-mailing-list-mirror/77990
>
>
>> And the thinking here is that discourse is easier for people who want to
>> ask a specific question without subscribing to a mailing list (and getting
>> yet more email).
>>
> Yes, so you can have the mirror in one category and another catergory for
> Q
>
>> --
>> Jody Garnett
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 27, 2023 at 9:07 AM Vicky Vergara  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Jody
>>>
>>> We are offering options
>>>
>>> Before:
>>> Use mailing list
>>>
>>> After:
>>> * Use mailing list and see the archives only on https://lists.osgeo.org/
>>> * Use mailing list and see the archives also on discourse
>>> * Use discourse without a mailing list
>>>
>>>
>>> This are the possibilities regarding migration of mailing list
>>> * Have the mailing list migrated completely to discourse example [1]
>>> (Use discourse without a mailing list, but get previous conversations from
>>> mailing list)
>>> * Have a mirror of the mailing in discourse example [2] (Use mailing
>>> list and see the archives also on discourse)
>>> * Have a category on discourse and not have a mailing list example [3]
>>> was created by Jody (Use discourse without a mailing list)
>>> * Opt to not migrate or mirror the mailing list example [4] (Use mailing
>>> list and see the archives only on https://lists.osgeo.org/)
>>>
>>> [1] https://discourse.osgeo.org/c/qgis/qgis-fr-user/5
>>> [2] https://discourse.osgeo.org/c/sac-global-category/sac/13
>>> [3]
>>> https://discourse.osgeo.org/t/about-the-osgeo-site-feedback-category/1
>>> [4] https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/foss4g2008loc/
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> Vicky
>>>
>>> On Wed, Dec 27, 2023 at 10:16 AM Jody Garnett 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I was lurking in the sys admin chat as I was working on the osgeo sign
>>>> up form. Mailing lists are not going away, but I am unclear at what is
>>>> being offered.
>>>> --
>>>> Jody Garnett
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Dec 27, 2023 at 8:01 AM Eli Adam 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm also unclear on what is going on.  It looks like discourse options
>>>>> are being added.  This raises questions about mailing lists.  1. Are
>>>>> mailing lists going away?  2. Can projects choose to keep just the mailing
>>>>> list and not add dicourse?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks, Eli
>>>>> --
>>>>> *From:* Discuss  on behalf of Vicky
>>>>> Vergara via Discuss 
>>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 26, 2023 9:52 PM
>>>>> *To:* OSGeo Discussions 
>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Mailing lists to discourse migration
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Jody,
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Dec 26, 2023 at 9:31 PM Jody Garnett 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Vicky,
>>>>>
>>>>> Is there any more information on what is being offered here?
>>>>>
>>>>> I have not used discourse very much. What do you mean by having a
>>>>> category Can you be more clear about migrate and mirror.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Category, is like the one you created about the discourse site
>>>>> feedback.
>>>>> Mirror, is a category that mirrors the mailing list, so the mails
>>>>> received on the mailing list are also shown on discourse.
>>>>> If you "reply" to those mails using discourse, they will not be shown
>>>>> on the mailing list, as the 

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Mailing lists to discourse migration

[Vicky Vergara via Discuss]

On Wed, Dec 27, 2023 at 11:43 AM Jody Garnett 
wrote:

> Q: So if a mailing list is mirrored to discourse it operates similar to
> nabble used to? Is searchable etc …
>
> I don't know the details of how discourse works,


> But replies done via discourse are not sent to mailing list subscribers -
> so it is one way communication.
>
https://meta.discourse.org/t/create-a-read-only-mailing-list-mirror/77990


> And the thinking here is that discourse is easier for people who want to
> ask a specific question without subscribing to a mailing list (and getting
> yet more email).
>
Yes, so you can have the mirror in one category and another catergory for
Q

> --
> Jody Garnett
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 27, 2023 at 9:07 AM Vicky Vergara  wrote:
>
>> Hi Jody
>>
>> We are offering options
>>
>> Before:
>> Use mailing list
>>
>> After:
>> * Use mailing list and see the archives only on https://lists.osgeo.org/
>> * Use mailing list and see the archives also on discourse
>> * Use discourse without a mailing list
>>
>>
>> This are the possibilities regarding migration of mailing list
>> * Have the mailing list migrated completely to discourse example [1]
>> (Use discourse without a mailing list, but get previous conversations from
>> mailing list)
>> * Have a mirror of the mailing in discourse example [2] (Use mailing list
>> and see the archives also on discourse)
>> * Have a category on discourse and not have a mailing list example [3]
>> was created by Jody (Use discourse without a mailing list)
>> * Opt to not migrate or mirror the mailing list example [4] (Use mailing
>> list and see the archives only on https://lists.osgeo.org/)
>>
>> [1] https://discourse.osgeo.org/c/qgis/qgis-fr-user/5
>> [2] https://discourse.osgeo.org/c/sac-global-category/sac/13
>> [3]
>> https://discourse.osgeo.org/t/about-the-osgeo-site-feedback-category/1
>> [4] https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/foss4g2008loc/
>>
>> Regards
>> Vicky
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 27, 2023 at 10:16 AM Jody Garnett 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I was lurking in the sys admin chat as I was working on the osgeo sign
>>> up form. Mailing lists are not going away, but I am unclear at what is
>>> being offered.
>>> --
>>> Jody Garnett
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Dec 27, 2023 at 8:01 AM Eli Adam  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> I'm also unclear on what is going on.  It looks like discourse options
>>>> are being added.  This raises questions about mailing lists.  1. Are
>>>> mailing lists going away?  2. Can projects choose to keep just the mailing
>>>> list and not add dicourse?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks, Eli
>>>> --
>>>> *From:* Discuss  on behalf of Vicky
>>>> Vergara via Discuss 
>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 26, 2023 9:52 PM
>>>> *To:* OSGeo Discussions 
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Mailing lists to discourse migration
>>>>
>>>> Hi Jody,
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Dec 26, 2023 at 9:31 PM Jody Garnett 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Vicky,
>>>>
>>>> Is there any more information on what is being offered here?
>>>>
>>>> I have not used discourse very much. What do you mean by having a
>>>> category Can you be more clear about migrate and mirror.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Category, is like the one you created about the discourse site feedback.
>>>> Mirror, is a category that mirrors the mailing list, so the mails
>>>> received on the mailing list are also shown on discourse.
>>>> If you "reply" to those mails using discourse, they will not be shown
>>>> on the mailing list, as the mirror does not send mails to the mailing list.
>>>> The reply that will be shown is the one done using mail.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Will the existing list of email subscribers be part of migrating a
>>>> mailing list
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> When migrating subscribers are also migrated and are "staged users",
>>>> and they can log in using ldap, or github account.
>>>> If the mail of their log in matches, the staged users get assigned to
>>>> the person that logged in.
>>>>
>>>> Regards
>>>> Vicky
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Jody Garnett
>>>>
>>>>
>>

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Mailing lists to discourse migration

[Jody Garnett via Discuss]

Q: So if a mailing list is mirrored to discourse it operates similar to
nabble used to? Is searchable etc …

But replies done via discourse are not sent to mailing list subscribers -
so it is one way communication.

And the thinking here is that discourse is easier for people who want to
ask a specific question without subscribing to a mailing list (and getting
yet more email).
--
Jody Garnett


On Wed, Dec 27, 2023 at 9:07 AM Vicky Vergara  wrote:

> Hi Jody
>
> We are offering options
>
> Before:
> Use mailing list
>
> After:
> * Use mailing list and see the archives only on https://lists.osgeo.org/
> * Use mailing list and see the archives also on discourse
> * Use discourse without a mailing list
>
>
> This are the possibilities regarding migration of mailing list
> * Have the mailing list migrated completely to discourse example [1]  (Use
> discourse without a mailing list, but get previous conversations from
> mailing list)
> * Have a mirror of the mailing in discourse example [2] (Use mailing list
> and see the archives also on discourse)
> * Have a category on discourse and not have a mailing list example [3] was
> created by Jody (Use discourse without a mailing list)
> * Opt to not migrate or mirror the mailing list example [4] (Use mailing
> list and see the archives only on https://lists.osgeo.org/)
>
> [1] https://discourse.osgeo.org/c/qgis/qgis-fr-user/5
> [2] https://discourse.osgeo.org/c/sac-global-category/sac/13
> [3] https://discourse.osgeo.org/t/about-the-osgeo-site-feedback-category/1
> [4] https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/foss4g2008loc/
>
> Regards
> Vicky
>
> On Wed, Dec 27, 2023 at 10:16 AM Jody Garnett 
> wrote:
>
>> I was lurking in the sys admin chat as I was working on the osgeo sign up
>> form. Mailing lists are not going away, but I am unclear at what is being
>> offered.
>> --
>> Jody Garnett
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 27, 2023 at 8:01 AM Eli Adam  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I'm also unclear on what is going on.  It looks like discourse options
>>> are being added.  This raises questions about mailing lists.  1. Are
>>> mailing lists going away?  2. Can projects choose to keep just the mailing
>>> list and not add dicourse?
>>>
>>> Thanks, Eli
>>> ------
>>> *From:* Discuss  on behalf of Vicky
>>> Vergara via Discuss 
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 26, 2023 9:52 PM
>>> *To:* OSGeo Discussions 
>>> *Subject:* Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Mailing lists to discourse migration
>>>
>>> Hi Jody,
>>>
>>> On Tue, Dec 26, 2023 at 9:31 PM Jody Garnett 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Vicky,
>>>
>>> Is there any more information on what is being offered here?
>>>
>>> I have not used discourse very much. What do you mean by having a
>>> category Can you be more clear about migrate and mirror.
>>>
>>>
>>> Category, is like the one you created about the discourse site feedback.
>>> Mirror, is a category that mirrors the mailing list, so the mails
>>> received on the mailing list are also shown on discourse.
>>> If you "reply" to those mails using discourse, they will not be shown on
>>> the mailing list, as the mirror does not send mails to the mailing list.
>>> The reply that will be shown is the one done using mail.
>>>
>>>
>>> Will the existing list of email subscribers be part of migrating a
>>> mailing list
>>>
>>>
>>> When migrating subscribers are also migrated and are "staged users", and
>>> they can log in using ldap, or github account.
>>> If the mail of their log in matches, the staged users get assigned to
>>> the person that logged in.
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> Vicky
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Jody Garnett
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Dec 26, 2023 at 1:07 PM Vicky Vergara via Discuss <
>>> discuss@lists.osgeo.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello all
>>>
>>> We are ready to migrate mailing lists to discourse,
>>> * Have the mailing list migrated completely to discourse
>>> * Have a mirror of the mailing in discourse
>>> * Have a category on discourse and not have a mailing list
>>> * Opt to not migrate or mirror the mailing list
>>>
>>> A comprehensive list of mailing lists can be found here (not including
>>> private mailing lists):
>>> https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo
>>>
>>> You need to open a ticket to hav

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Mailing lists to discourse migration

[Vicky Vergara via Discuss]

Hi Jody

We are offering options

Before:
Use mailing list

After:
* Use mailing list and see the archives only on https://lists.osgeo.org/
* Use mailing list and see the archives also on discourse
* Use discourse without a mailing list


This are the possibilities regarding migration of mailing list
* Have the mailing list migrated completely to discourse example [1]  (Use
discourse without a mailing list, but get previous conversations from
mailing list)
* Have a mirror of the mailing in discourse example [2] (Use mailing list
and see the archives also on discourse)
* Have a category on discourse and not have a mailing list example [3] was
created by Jody (Use discourse without a mailing list)
* Opt to not migrate or mirror the mailing list example [4] (Use mailing
list and see the archives only on https://lists.osgeo.org/)

[1] https://discourse.osgeo.org/c/qgis/qgis-fr-user/5
[2] https://discourse.osgeo.org/c/sac-global-category/sac/13
[3] https://discourse.osgeo.org/t/about-the-osgeo-site-feedback-category/1
[4] https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/foss4g2008loc/

Regards
Vicky

On Wed, Dec 27, 2023 at 10:16 AM Jody Garnett 
wrote:

> I was lurking in the sys admin chat as I was working on the osgeo sign up
> form. Mailing lists are not going away, but I am unclear at what is being
> offered.
> --
> Jody Garnett
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 27, 2023 at 8:01 AM Eli Adam  wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I'm also unclear on what is going on.  It looks like discourse options
>> are being added.  This raises questions about mailing lists.  1. Are
>> mailing lists going away?  2. Can projects choose to keep just the mailing
>> list and not add dicourse?
>>
>> Thanks, Eli
>> --
>> *From:* Discuss  on behalf of Vicky
>> Vergara via Discuss 
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 26, 2023 9:52 PM
>> *To:* OSGeo Discussions 
>> *Subject:* Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Mailing lists to discourse migration
>>
>> Hi Jody,
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 26, 2023 at 9:31 PM Jody Garnett 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Vicky,
>>
>> Is there any more information on what is being offered here?
>>
>> I have not used discourse very much. What do you mean by having a
>> category Can you be more clear about migrate and mirror.
>>
>>
>> Category, is like the one you created about the discourse site feedback.
>> Mirror, is a category that mirrors the mailing list, so the mails
>> received on the mailing list are also shown on discourse.
>> If you "reply" to those mails using discourse, they will not be shown on
>> the mailing list, as the mirror does not send mails to the mailing list.
>> The reply that will be shown is the one done using mail.
>>
>>
>> Will the existing list of email subscribers be part of migrating a
>> mailing list
>>
>>
>> When migrating subscribers are also migrated and are "staged users", and
>> they can log in using ldap, or github account.
>> If the mail of their log in matches, the staged users get assigned to the
>> person that logged in.
>>
>> Regards
>> Vicky
>>
>>
>> --
>> Jody Garnett
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 26, 2023 at 1:07 PM Vicky Vergara via Discuss <
>> discuss@lists.osgeo.org> wrote:
>>
>> Hello all
>>
>> We are ready to migrate mailing lists to discourse,
>> * Have the mailing list migrated completely to discourse
>> * Have a mirror of the mailing in discourse
>> * Have a category on discourse and not have a mailing list
>> * Opt to not migrate or mirror the mailing list
>>
>> A comprehensive list of mailing lists can be found here (not including
>> private mailing lists):
>> https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo
>>
>> You need to open a ticket to have the work done.
>> Follow the ticket examples below for the first 3 cases
>>
>> Regards
>> Vicky Vergara
>>
>> Example: Have the mailing list migrated completely to discourse:
>>
>> Ticket: https://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/ticket/3064 (has link to ticket
>> 3063)
>> +
>> Comment in Ticket: https://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/ticket/3063
>>
>> Created the following discourse category
>> https://discourse.osgeo.org/c/qgis/qgis-fr-user/5
>> And the archives of the mailing list will not be removed:
>> https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/qgis-fr-user/
>> Migration has finished so any new message to the list will not be
>> received on discourse, but the list will be disabled for before the end of
>> january.
>> Mail on discourse: qgis-fr-user/@discourse.osgeo.org
>>
>> Example: Have a mirror of the mailing in 

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Mailing lists to discourse migration

[Vicky Vergara via Discuss]

Hi all

I am sending you a link about how discourse treats the users
https://blog.discourse.org/2018/06/understanding-discourse-trust-levels/

On Wed, Dec 27, 2023 at 10:00 AM Eli Adam  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I'm also unclear on what is going on.  It looks like discourse options are
> being added.  This raises questions about mailing lists.  1. Are mailing
> lists going away?
>

No, they are not going away
We are just giving options, different communities have different needs
Different people have different ways of working together
This
[1] https://discourse.osgeo.org/c/pgrouting/pgrouting-dev/17
is a mirror of
[2] https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/pgrouting-dev/
As you can see on [2] you can not reply you can only browse the mail
archives.
On [1] happens the same.
The only way to have a reply is by sending a mail to the corresponding
mailing list

here:
[3] https://discourse.osgeo.org/c/qgis/qgis-fr-user/5
the QGIS french group of users decided that discourse was better for them
and they will not use the mailing list anymore
So the mailing list was moved and we are giving a month's time for people
to go to discourse.
Anything arriving to the mailing list at this moment of time is not going
to be published in discourse. Because it is not a mirror, on it people can
reply using discourse or sending a mail to qgis-fr-users at
discourse.osgeo.org
but the mailing list archives will be kept

Of course, for obvious reasons, I can not git you a link to a private
mailing lists
They want to remain private and want to remain on the mailing list.
But another example, pgRouting did not have a public/private mailing list
for its PSC, and we opted to have a private category within discourse.
Already there but you can not see it, you are not part of the group that
can see that category.



2. Can projects choose to keep just the mailing list and not add dicourse?
>

Yes!
Also they can have a category on discourse without a mailing list, but with
a discourse mail
Like this one:
https://discourse.osgeo.org/t/about-the-sac-website-category/301
(read about the trust levels)

Regards
Vicky



> Thanks, Eli
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> *From:* Discuss  on behalf of Vicky
> Vergara via Discuss 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 26, 2023 9:52 PM
> *To:* OSGeo Discussions 
> *Subject:* Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Mailing lists to discourse migration
>
> Hi Jody,
>
> On Tue, Dec 26, 2023 at 9:31 PM Jody Garnett 
> wrote:
>
> Vicky,
>
> Is there any more information on what is being offered here?
>
> I have not used discourse very much. What do you mean by having a category
> Can you be more clear about migrate and mirror.
>
>
> Category, is like the one you created about the discourse site feedback.
> Mirror, is a category that mirrors the mailing list, so the mails received
> on the mailing list are also shown on discourse.
> If you "reply" to those mails using discourse, they will not be shown on
> the mailing list, as the mirror does not send mails to the mailing list.
> The reply that will be shown is the one done using mail.
>
>
> Will the existing list of email subscribers be part of migrating a mailing
> list
>
>
> When migrating subscribers are also migrated and are "staged users", and
> they can log in using ldap, or github account.
> If the mail of their log in matches, the staged users get assigned to the
> person that logged in.
>
> Regards
> Vicky
>
>
> --
> Jody Garnett
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 26, 2023 at 1:07 PM Vicky Vergara via Discuss <
> discuss@lists.osgeo.org> wrote:
>
> Hello all
>
> We are ready to migrate mailing lists to discourse,
> * Have the mailing list migrated completely to discourse
> * Have a mirror of the mailing in discourse
> * Have a category on discourse and not have a mailing list
> * Opt to not migrate or mirror the mailing list
>
> A comprehensive list of mailing lists can be found here (not including
> private mailing lists):
> https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo
>
> You need to open a ticket to have the work done.
> Follow the ticket examples below for the first 3 cases
>
> Regards
> Vicky Vergara
>
> Example: Have the mailing list migrated completely to discourse:
>
> Ticket: https://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/ticket/3064 (has link to ticket 3063)
> +
> Comment in Ticket: https://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/ticket/3063
>
> Created the following discourse category
> https://discourse.osgeo.org/c/qgis/qgis-fr-user/5
> And the archives of the mailing list will not be removed:
> https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/qgis-fr-user/
> Migration has finished so any new message to the list will not be received
> on discourse, but the list will be disabled for before the end of january.
> Mail on discourse: qgis-fr-user/@discourse.osgeo.org
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Mailing lists to discourse migration

[Vicky Vergara via Discuss]

Hi Jody,

On Tue, Dec 26, 2023 at 9:31 PM Jody Garnett  wrote:

> Vicky,
>
> Is there any more information on what is being offered here?
>
> I have not used discourse very much. What do you mean by having a category
> Can you be more clear about migrate and mirror.
>

Category, is like the one you created about the discourse site feedback.
Mirror, is a category that mirrors the mailing list, so the mails received
on the mailing list are also shown on discourse.
If you "reply" to those mails using discourse, they will not be shown on
the mailing list, as the mirror does not send mails to the mailing list.
The reply that will be shown is the one done using mail.


> Will the existing list of email subscribers be part of migrating a mailing
> list
>

When migrating subscribers are also migrated and are "staged users", and
they can log in using ldap, or github account.
If the mail of their log in matches, the staged users get assigned to the
person that logged in.

Regards
Vicky


> --
> Jody Garnett
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 26, 2023 at 1:07 PM Vicky Vergara via Discuss <
> discuss@lists.osgeo.org> wrote:
>
>> Hello all
>>
>> We are ready to migrate mailing lists to discourse,
>> * Have the mailing list migrated completely to discourse
>> * Have a mirror of the mailing in discourse
>> * Have a category on discourse and not have a mailing list
>> * Opt to not migrate or mirror the mailing list
>>
>> A comprehensive list of mailing lists can be found here (not including
>> private mailing lists):
>> https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo
>>
>> You need to open a ticket to have the work done.
>> Follow the ticket examples below for the first 3 cases
>>
>> Regards
>> Vicky Vergara
>>
>> Example: Have the mailing list migrated completely to discourse:
>>
>> Ticket: https://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/ticket/3064 (has link to ticket
>> 3063)
>> +
>> Comment in Ticket: https://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/ticket/3063
>>
>> Created the following discourse category
>> https://discourse.osgeo.org/c/qgis/qgis-fr-user/5
>> And the archives of the mailing list will not be removed:
>> https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/qgis-fr-user/
>> Migration has finished so any new message to the list will not be
>> received on discourse, but the list will be disabled for before the end of
>> january.
>> Mail on discourse: qgis-fr-user/@discourse.osgeo.org
>>
>> Example: Have a mirror of the mailing in discourse
>> Ticket: https://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/ticket/3062
>> Created the following discourse category
>> https://discourse.osgeo.org/c/sac-global-category/sac/13
>> The mailing list will not be removed, and it is a mirror to the mailing
>> list
>> emails continue to be sent to s...@lists.osgeo.org
>> Replies can be done
>>
>> https://discourse.osgeo.org/t/re-osgeo-3062-import-sac-mailing-list-to-discourse/4747/2?u=cvvergara
>> But they will no be reflected on the mailing list
>> https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/sac/2023-December/thread.html
>>
>> Example: of category without mailing list
>> Ticket: https://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/ticket/3066
>> https://discourse.osgeo.org/c/osgeolive/osgeolive-docs/8
>>
>>
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[OSGeo-Discuss] Mailing lists to discourse migration

[Vicky Vergara via Discuss]

Hello all

We are ready to migrate mailing lists to discourse,
* Have the mailing list migrated completely to discourse
* Have a mirror of the mailing in discourse
* Have a category on discourse and not have a mailing list
* Opt to not migrate or mirror the mailing list

A comprehensive list of mailing lists can be found here (not including
private mailing lists):
https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo

You need to open a ticket to have the work done.
Follow the ticket examples below for the first 3 cases

Regards
Vicky Vergara

Example: Have the mailing list migrated completely to discourse:

Ticket: https://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/ticket/3064 (has link to ticket 3063)
+
Comment in Ticket: https://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/ticket/3063

Created the following discourse category
https://discourse.osgeo.org/c/qgis/qgis-fr-user/5
And the archives of the mailing list will not be removed:
https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/qgis-fr-user/
Migration has finished so any new message to the list will not be received
on discourse, but the list will be disabled for before the end of january.
Mail on discourse: qgis-fr-user/@discourse.osgeo.org

Example: Have a mirror of the mailing in discourse
Ticket: https://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/ticket/3062
Created the following discourse category
https://discourse.osgeo.org/c/sac-global-category/sac/13
The mailing list will not be removed, and it is a mirror to the mailing list
emails continue to be sent to s...@lists.osgeo.org
Replies can be done
https://discourse.osgeo.org/t/re-osgeo-3062-import-sac-mailing-list-to-discourse/4747/2?u=cvvergara
But they will no be reflected on the mailing list
https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/sac/2023-December/thread.html

Example: of category without mailing list
Ticket: https://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/ticket/3066
https://discourse.osgeo.org/c/osgeolive/osgeolive-docs/8
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