Re: [slim] Receiver automatically connecting to SC
dsdreamer;450025 Wrote: Yes, it makes a big difference if you have fixed IP addresses. If the OP had used fixed IP addressing, he would not have this issue, (or least that's what I found with my SBRs). You are probably correct but SC *should* discover players when they come online even in an DHCP setting, but we are talking receiver hmm. In the old days I remember my SB3 actually fixing this on a network with DHCP without a problem . Bug i say, worth checking is if the sbr actually is connected to the router. The blue ligth normally indicates have network but no SC , but this is not always true. I suspect that the OP does not have any router ? is this correct ? connected to the same power strip, this suggest a direct connection, this could explain the behaviour as quite natural. Is the server also dhcp or is fixed ip's here to ? -- Mnyb No it can NOT be controlled with iTunes Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=66823 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Rebuffering is ruining the Squeezebox experience
Pascal Hibon;449860 Wrote: Bery, can you try this on your DUO? Well, I did and moreless the same ( btw: top process consumes 5% CPU ). Mode Random Mix. At the very beginning mysqld uses as much CPU as possible to create a list of random songs. Following SC load approx. 60%. Then streaming load approx. 8.5% CPU. CPU load rises at the end of song ( most likely aggresive caching by SB ). I used remote for FWD / RWD songs - max. load approx 85%. Despite my will to create a high load and as a consequence drop-out, I failed. Everything worked fine this time. I've noticed mysqld process pops up randomly during streaming with high CPU load. Couldn't be this the cause? -- Bery Bery's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32317 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=65719 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Receiver automatically connecting to SC
Thanks for your suggestions so far. The SBR is definitely connected to the wireless router over wifi. When the blue light is on it can be pinged, and discovered by Net::UDAP. The SBR address is assigned with DHCP, but the SBR has a static server address set. It happens to be on the same power strip as SC because this is one node in the whole-house setup which will provide music at the computer desk. Anyway, Ive made some progress It does connect (blue changes to white) when SC starts if the SBR is wired to the same network switch as SC. To summarise: Wired: * can be pinged * SBR will connect to SC when SBR is booted * SBR will connect to SC when SC is booted Wireless: * can be pinged * SBR will connect to SC when SBR is booted * no connection when SC is booted So there must be something about SC's player discovery that doesnt like my wifi. I would prefer to go wireless, so debugging continues. -- htrd Toby Dickenson Your last.fm profile mashed with eBay; www.exitahead.co.uk htrd's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3710 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=66823 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] RedEye universal remote control?
Andy8421;449956 Wrote: I have been using iRedtouch - an iPodtouch or iPhone app that uses a network resident IR flasher. Hadn't come across that one - it looks good and the video is impressive. Also hadn't seen the IRTrans. Seems the RedEye is quite similar except it doesn't need to be cabled to your home net, it's also a charger for your iPhone/iPod and it's a bit cheaper. Not sure that any of these are show stoppers however. Does iRedTouch support macros? How do you find the responsiveness of iRedTouch? By that I mean how quick to get to the virtual remote you want and how quickly do the units being controlled respond after a button is pushed? GRC -- GRC -Seen it all, done it all, can't remember most of it ...- And if it matters ... Elderly Sony Vaio + WD Passport + iTunes + Apple Lossless SB Classic + SB Boom + SB Controller + CA DacMagic Naim CDX/XPS + NAC52/Supercap + NAP135s + Dynaudio Contour 1.8 MkIIs Linn LP12 some other stuff GRC's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13846 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=66781 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[slim] UK Support Number (not toll free) - Anyone Know It?
I'm looking for the non toll free UK support number as my SB3 has gone faulty. I'm not in the UK at the moment and 0800 numbers don't work. Does anyone know it? -- Mick Seymour Mick Seymour's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=21137 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=66845 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] iPod / iPhone as a receiver
jtpowell;448042 Wrote: I've got an app for that pending approval right now. You can see the screenshots of it though here techadvantagenow.com/v1/products/SqueezeMobile.aspx I've been dogfooding it the last few weeks and it works well Wifi or 3G. I can control the player from the iPhone itself or Squeeze Center. Works great in my dock too. I submited last week so hopefully within another week it should be for sale in the App Store. Looks like this is up in the App Store, but I'm afraid I'm reticent at forking out £2.99 to see whether it works or not (especially when the only review to date is 1/5, not that I set much store by that). How about a limited-time reduced price / beta phase or something to generate a bit of interest? -- hunta hunta's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=333 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=66511 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Squeezebox over mains network?
does this mean you can turn off the wirless? -- pulsar pulsar's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32332 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=66836 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] UK Support Number (not toll free) - Anyone Know It?
Try Calling the main office. They will probably connect you through after all it is a toll free number :) United Kingdom * LOGITECH UK LIMITED Units 9/10, Shaftesbury Court 18 Chalvey Park Berkshire GB SL1 2ER SLOUGH +44-(0)175-387 09 00 Telephone +44 (0) 175-387 09 99 Fa -- Sike Sike's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2458 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=66845 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] UK Support Number (not toll free) - Anyone Know It?
try +44 (0)203 024 81 59, its a Logitech support number, not for Squeezebox products but maybe they can transfer you or give you a direct dial number. Hope that helps -- Kevint SB3 Boom Kevint's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9646 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=66845 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] UK Support Number (not toll free) - Anyone Know It?
Great. Thanks to you both. I tried the first number and pressed 1 for support. They gave me the second number which I haven't tried yet. With Kevint's comment it looks like it might be a painful process. -- Mick Seymour Mick Seymour's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=21137 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=66845 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] iPod / iPhone as a receiver
Would not opening port 9000 on the router allow the whole world to connect to your server? -- Sike Sike's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2458 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=66511 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Squeezebox over mains network?
You can turn the wireless capability of the squeezebox off when it is hardwired to ethernet. With the SBR, you reset it, connect it to an ethernet cable, and go through the setup. During setup, you will be asked if you want to connect to ethernet or wireless. For the Boom and the SB3, I think you can just left arrow into the network settings and make the setting update there. -- maggior Rich - Setup: 2 SB3s, 3 Booms, 1 duet, 1 receiver. SuSE 11.0 Server running SqueezeCenter 7.3.3, MusicIP, and SqueezeSlave. Current library stats: 27,698 songs, 2,304 albums, 439 artists. http://www.last.fm/user/maggior Looking forward to new Porcupine Tree, Megadeth, Alice in Chains, and The Beatles Box set. September will be an expensive month :-) maggior's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9080 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=66836 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Squeezebox over mains network?
pulsar;450074 Wrote: does this mean you can turn off the wirless? Yes, you can turn off the wireless on your router. The HomePlug type system uses your home/apartment electrical wiring. ROUTER rj45 HOMEPLUG outlet *electrical wiring* outlet HOMEPLUG rj45 SB PLAYER The only catch is that both HomePlug's must be on the same wiring circuit. -- toby10 toby10's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12553 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=66836 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] iPod / iPhone as a receiver
Sike;450090 Wrote: Would not opening port 9000 on the router allow the whole world to connect to your server? Yes. You can set a password, though. Or use a VPN. -- pippin --- see iPeng, the Squeezebox iPhone remote, at penguinlovesmusic.com pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=66511 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] UK Support Number (not toll free) - Anyone Know It?
Kevint;450077 Wrote: try +44 (0)203 024 81 59 Press 5 for Squeezebox support. -- Mick Seymour Mick Seymour's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=21137 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=66845 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] iPod / iPhone as a receiver
hunta;450064 Wrote: Looks like this is up in the App Store, but I'm afraid I'm reticent at forking out £2.99 to see whether it works or not (especially when the only review to date is 1/5, not that I set much store by that). How about a limited-time reduced price / beta phase or something to generate a bit of interest? At 2.99 that's already on sale. It's probably worth more to some folks even. If you're using a release version though not Beta I'll shoot you a PROMO code. PM me. -- jtpowell jtpowell's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=31597 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=66511 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Rebuffering is ruining the Squeezebox experience
I too have had problems with sound drop outs and rebuffering on 7.3.3. I also experienced a problem with the music stopping completely and logging indicates something about multiple errors and then giving up (hence the music is stopped). I couldn't reproduce the problem on demand but it mainly occured when I was using random mode and syncing two receivers. My problems seem to be solved by hardwiring one of my receivers that I thought had the weaker wireless signal. I remember that 7.3.x was meant to improve the 'Rebuffering' issues - I jokingly think the new release just doesn't show the message so often but the problem is still there. -- mobileadam mobileadam's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=20579 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=65719 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Squeezebox over mains network?
I've just upgraded my network to ethernet over power (Netgear HDX101's) for 1 PS3, 1 SB3 and 2 SBR. Another SB3 is wired direct into the router. However my wireless network is left on for the Controller, my iPhone and my Boom (which moves between garden, garage and bathroom). If you don't use the controller then you could disable wireless on your router, and rely on the IR remotes, Boom or your PC. The rumoured SB Touch may give another wired control option. -- DigitalMitch DigitalMitch's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15999 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=66836 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Musicip quit working...What to check?
Thanks again! Nonreality may have something. Had to call home and lol check sugarcube. It's not even there. Must have lost it somehow. Will reload it this pm and see if it corrects the problem and get back. Thanks Steve -- Bert57 Bert57's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=19024 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=66782 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[slim] SqueezeBox fan, quick Sonos pro/cons?
I am a SqueezeBox fan, and I prefer the open architecture of it. I also require the IR blaster capabilities to turn on/off my AV equipment when only using the SB. A friend of mine is asking which he should get. Certainly money is an obvious con for Sonos, but are there any other pros/cons for the average consumer that you can think of? I'd like him to make the right decision for him, so any and all advice is welcomed! Thanks in advance! -- AbMagFab AbMagFab's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=18128 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=66851 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Squeezebox over mains network?
pulsar wrote: does this mean you can turn off the wirless? I am pretty sure that when the SB detects a real Ethernet physical connection, the WiFi is disabled automatically -- Pat Farrell http://www.pfarrell.com/ ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] SqueezeBox fan, quick Sonos pro/cons?
AbMagFab;450141 Wrote: I am a SqueezeBox fan, and I prefer the open architecture of it. I also require the IR blaster capabilities to turn on/off my AV equipment when only using the SB. A friend of mine is asking which he should get. Certainly money is an obvious con for Sonos, but are there any other pros/cons for the average consumer that you can think of? I'd like him to make the right decision for him, so any and all advice is welcomed! Thanks in advance! I have always been of the opinion that one of the only reasons to buy Sonos is if one doesn't have a wireless network or doesn't know how to deal with one and doesn't mind paying extra so that one doesn't have to deal with or learn how to setup WiFi. As for me personally, Sonos can't deal with the size of my CD collection. Look at the Macintosh NMP, it is actually built by somebody else with just a lighted Blue MacIntosh face plate. The point being is that people who can't use PCs or wireless networks just want a box that they can feed CDs. And because of the Blue face plate, it matches the rest of their MacIntosh gear. So if he is not going to be calling you every day with questions then Squeezebox. If he can't handle it or doesn't even have a wifi network, then maybe Sonos. YMMV. -- iPhone *iPhone* Media Room: Transporter, VTL TL-6.5 Signature Pre-Amp, Ayre MX-R Mono's, VeraStarr 6.4SE 6-channel Amp, Vandersteen Speakers: Quatro Mains, VCC-5 Reference Center, four VSM-1 Signatures, Video: Runco RS 900 CineWide AutoScope 2.35:1 Living Room: Duet, ADCOM GTP-870HD, Cinepro 3K6SE III Gold, Vandersteen Model 3A Signature, Two 2Wq subs, VCC-2, Two VSM-1 Kitchen: Squeezebox BOOM Bedroom: SB3, GFR-700HD, Thiel 2.3, Second Boom Home Office: SB3, NAD C370, two VSM-1 Home Gym: SB3, Parasound Vamp v.3, Thiel PowerPoint 1.2 House Portable: SB3, Audioengine A5 Ford Thunderbird: Duet, Mac Mini Ford Expedition: SB3, ToughBook iPhone's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13622 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=66851 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] SqueezeBox fan, quick Sonos pro/cons?
I would add, setting a dedicated wifi network for the music. Different AP/router for the squeezeboxes vs the you/wife/kids laptops I have only one wifi network but then my PC is wired so it's only squeezeboxes and controllers in the air here. One can certainly get into trouble if one does not take a little care with the wifi. Was it not a tread where somebody was downloading torrents and wondering where the music went ? -- Mnyb No it can NOT be controlled with iTunes Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=66851 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Squeezebox - what speakers should I use?
Just about to place my order but I'm keen to learn what speakers are best to use for the Squeezebox duet, what do people recommend? Thanks, -- pulsar pulsar's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32332 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=66853 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] PDA-controller SlimControl 0.95
Locuth;449922 Wrote: Hey Alessandro. I total forgot to thank you for your donation. So I am doing that now: THANK YOU. Music services, including text input for searches (Deezer, etc) Track search in local collection. Bye for now Sebastian As far i see, hi will be impressed. I hope he have also a Last.fm account and is a heavy scrobbler. The Music services and Internetradio Section will give him a smealth what he can do with it in future. Improvements against the normal Remote Control of the Classic and i think also new ideas for Squeezebox Duet Controler developers are inside. Ok i have to announce i still have not my Duet run at home but i beleave its in good hands. :-) Allessandro do not forget to put the radio Button on in the options if you test it with Internetradio. -- arztde arztde's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=29528 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=64537 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Squeezebox - what speakers should I use?
That's a really open-ended question. It really depends on how you plan to use it. What type of room, how big. What type of listening. How much $$ you want to spend. A typical Squeezebox Receiver installation is into an existing stereo system (such as replacing a CD player). In that case, there are already speakers. -- tcutting tcutting's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17402 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=66853 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] SqueezeBox fan, quick Sonos pro/cons?
Just as surround sound can be HTIB (Home Theatre In A Box) where one needs nothing other than what comes in the box, Sonos is a kind of Server/WiFi in a box for streaming music. No need for (or much knowledge related too) networks, routers, WiFi, servers, etc... On the other hand, if one has a basic network and server PC already, then the SB players are a nice add-on. Even if your network is as simple as streaming pics videos music from a PC to a gaming console (PS3/Xbox) you have the basic infrastructure to add SB players. -- toby10 toby10's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12553 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=66851 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] SqueezeBox fan, quick Sonos pro/cons?
I have long considered the Sonos having long suffered through many problems with the SB. In the end I always choose to stick with the SB. If your friend is computer person and likes technical challenges tell him/her to go with the SB. But if he isn't technical, or is easily frustrated then Sonos hands down. That is if you want to keep him as a friend. Everyone I know who has one describes a level of robustness that can only make me jealous. -- regalma1 regalma1's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6658 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=66851 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] SqueezeBox fan, quick Sonos pro/cons?
I'm not so sure I agree. My brother, who can use a computer but isn't what I would call technical or technically inclined, had no trouble installing SC on his Windows XP machine. He also had no trouble configuring his Duet when he received it. The only involvement I've had to was to give him some tips on navigating the menus. His envrionment is wireless with secruity set up, so it isn't that his setup was wide open and simple to set up. Now, I know from personal experience that when things don't go smoothly with the Duet that it can be very challenging to debug. However, I can't imagine that it would be much different with Sonos...it's the nature of any distributed architecture. I think the duet got a bad rap in the beginning because of issues that would arise with setup. They appear to have worked those things out with the more current releases. -- maggior Rich - Setup: 2 SB3s, 3 Booms, 1 duet, 1 receiver. SuSE 11.0 Server running SqueezeCenter 7.3.3, MusicIP, and SqueezeSlave. Current library stats: 27,698 songs, 2,304 albums, 439 artists. http://www.last.fm/user/maggior Looking forward to new Porcupine Tree, Megadeth, Alice in Chains, and The Beatles Box set. September will be an expensive month :-) maggior's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9080 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=66851 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] RedEye universal remote control?
GRC, IRtrans is a bit pricy, but is an impressive bit of kit. Very similar to the global cache product, it can be controlled by PC resident software (supplied) as well as the iPod app. Can drive discrete flashers or use the high output LEDs on the box. Took it to bits, nicely built, based on a PIC microcontroller. I notice that the iRedtouch site is now mentioning compatability with the Global Cache box (beta), you might be able to get one of these GC boxes cheaper than the IRtrans. The IRtrans PC software gives macro capability and can control the unit functionality from a PC, but if you want macros on the iPod you have to 'teach' the button you want to contol the macro the correct sequence of commands. A bit clunky, but it works. Switching between remotes is quick, two or three button presses on the iPod and the iPod responds immediately displaying the new remote. Slight delay when controlling devices, but not enough to be annoying. I particularly liked the feature that displays an image of the real remote on the iPod, makes it easy to use if you are familiar with an existing remote key layout. Had some problems with keys responding twice when pressed once - particularly the SKY HD remote. Problem solved by using the 'NATIVE' mode - IRtrans product support helped out and were very responsive to my query. Just a question on redeye - the site says beta trial has finished and it isn't available at the moment? -- Andy8421 Andy8421's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16846 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=66781 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] A rant towards a rescue. Needed. NOW. ... From here to where?
As a former product manager for consumer electronics devices myself, I generally agree with Moonbeam's assessment, and I commend him for having the gumption to post it, knowing he'd catch some flak. In my view, a key problem with open source software is that the techies develop it for their own desires, not those of Joe and Jane Sixpack who don't give a rats a** about SQLite vs. MySQL. The masses just want something that works well (even if it has a few bugs), without having to tinker under the hood. Think iPod or TiVo. When both of those products were first introduced, they already had very well thought out (if imperfect) user experiences which kept the technical details hidden from view. You didn't have to be a tech geek to appreciate them, but tech geeks could appreciate them anyway, despite their frustrations at not having full access to the inner workings. I hate to say this, and I'm sure I'll catch flak for it, but Logitech might be better off taking development entirely in house. I especially hate to say it, because the open source platform is one of the things that attracted me to buy Squeezeboxes in the first place. But Joe and Jane Sixpack don't frequent this forum, and that leads to skewed input into the open source development process unless your target market is open source developers. Sure, I can set up a Squeezebox system that's so easy to use that my girlfriend can handle it and even like it, but no way in heck could she set it up herself. Does anybody here believe that open source development of Squeezecenter will ever lead to a product that is easy enough to set up that his or her mother could do it? -- TiredLegs TiredLegs's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6201 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=66745 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] A rant towards a rescue. Needed. NOW. ... From here to where?
TiredLegs;450224 Wrote: As a former product manager for consumer electronics devices myself, I generally agree with Moonbeam's assessment, and I commend him for having the gumption to post it, knowing he'd catch some flak. In my view, a key problem with open source software is that the techies develop it for their own desires, not those of Joe and Jane Sixpack who don't give a rats a** about SQLite vs. MySQL. The masses just want something that works well (even if it has a few bugs), without having to tinker under the hood. Think iPod or TiVo. When both of those products were first introduced, they already had very well thought out (if imperfect) user experiences which kept the technical details hidden from view. You didn't have to be a tech geek to appreciate them, but tech geeks could appreciate them anyway, despite their frustrations at not having full access to the inner workings. I hate to say this, and I'm sure I'll catch flak for it, but Logitech might be better off taking development entirely in house. I especially hate to say it, because the open source platform is one of the things that attracted me to buy Squeezeboxes in the first place. But Joe and Jane Sixpack don't frequent this forum, and that leads to skewed input into the open source development process unless your target market is open source developers. Sure, I can set up a Squeezebox system that's so easy to use that my girlfriend can handle it and even like it, but no way in heck could she set it up herself. Does anybody here believe that open source development of Squeezecenter will ever lead to a product that is easy enough to set up that his or her mother could do it? Excuse me ... but how do we not provide a good experience already for the average user? The currently released production-level software 7.3.3 is our most stable software release of the entire 7.x.x releases. We've encouraged no average-users to try out 7.4 (which is in a huge state of flux). Furthermore, we do not ask that any of our average users know the difference between MySQL or SQLite -- in fact, we do our best to hide that fact completely. Only developers, and highly-advanced beta users are affected by our betas at this time. We are very actively working towards making our Squeezeplay experience (Squeezebox Controller) as absolutely dead-simple as possible (given its inherent complexities), and improving the setup experience of our Desktop Software as well as our Squeezenetwork service. That is why there have been so many changes to 7.4 that have broken things -- we're making huge under-the-hood changes that allow us to provide a better ultimate experience. -- Matt Wise Matt Wise's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13773 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=66745 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] SqueezeBox fan, quick Sonos pro/cons?
And just to add to what others have said. If you think your friends WiFi setup is weak, fix his network coverage first or have him buy SB3 and Boom only. The Duet has the most trouble dealing with a weak WiFi network due partly to its size and the only places that antennas could be placed. I have a ton of devices on my WiFi network, but I went to the trouble to put the WAP in the best place possible so I haven't had any Squeezebox issues. As has been said, if one has a network dedicated to Squeezebox only, to sort of becomes like the Sonos dedicated network. -- iPhone *iPhone* Media Room: Transporter, VTL TL-6.5 Signature Pre-Amp, Ayre MX-R Mono's, VeraStarr 6.4SE 6-channel Amp, Vandersteen Speakers: Quatro Mains, VCC-5 Reference Center, four VSM-1 Signatures, Video: Runco RS 900 CineWide AutoScope 2.35:1 Living Room: Duet, ADCOM GTP-870HD, Cinepro 3K6SE III Gold, Vandersteen Model 3A Signature, Two 2Wq subs, VCC-2, Two VSM-1 Kitchen: Squeezebox BOOM Bedroom: SB3, GFR-700HD, Thiel 2.3, Second Boom Home Office: SB3, NAD C370, two VSM-1 Home Gym: SB3, Parasound Vamp v.3, Thiel PowerPoint 1.2 House Portable: SB3, Audioengine A5 Ford Thunderbird: Duet, Mac Mini Ford Expedition: SB3, ToughBook iPhone's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13622 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=66851 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Squeezebox over mains network?
I use 'em, and love 'em. I haven't disabled the wireless, it just runs off the ethernet port. Works like a dream. -- hunta hunta's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=333 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=66836 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] iPod / iPhone as a receiver
If it works as it should I agree! PM on its way. -- hunta hunta's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=333 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=66511 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] A rant towards a rescue. Needed. NOW. ... From here to where?
Matt Wise;450226 Wrote: Excuse me ... but how do we not provide a good experience already for the average user? Matt, The point you're missing from my post is that your average existing user isn't the average potential buyer (unless the only buyers you want are your existing users). It has nothing to do with beta users vs. regular users, and nothing to do with the particulars of 7.4 vs. 7.3.3. I'll go back to a question Moonbase asked in his original post of this thread: where is the target market? If Logitech has answered that question internally, then is open source development the best path to a product that nails that target? (If Logitech hasn't truly answered that question, then the software will wander at the whim of the developers.) -- TiredLegs TiredLegs's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6201 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=66745 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Squeezebox over mains network?
I've been using HomePlug networking with squeezeboxes for years with no problems. Only issue I aver had was after a power outage I had to unplug and replug the HomePlug connected to the router. -- Pale Blue Ego Pale Blue Ego's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=110 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=66836 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Open-Source Crestron Module
Sounds good so farI own the ControlWorks module and have used it, but I have a HUGE job with 5 squeezeboxes and it is my belief that their module is causing me problems. Does your module have access to favorites? So if I want to store a few internet radio stations can I add and remove them on the fly via the touchpanel? -- troberts troberts's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32336 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=54943 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] A rant towards a rescue. Needed. NOW. ... From here to where?
Matt Wise;450226 Wrote: Excuse me ... but how do we not provide a good experience already for the average user? The release of the Duet comes to mind. My original SliMP3 gets daily use while the Duet resides in my sock drawer. -- Pale Blue Ego Pale Blue Ego's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=110 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=66745 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] A rant towards a rescue. Needed. NOW. ... From here to where?
Tired Legs - Good comments, I agree. Same to Moonbase (relative to his general comments). Similar comments describing a seemingly disinterested attitude concerning the Joe Sixpack market segment (the largest portion of the potential market, by the way) have been made before. And, I recall, were also responded to by saying that they are making the installation process easier, which is NOT the point. It may be that the company doesn't share the view or doesn't want to change its direction. -- Goodsounds Goodsounds's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14201 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=66745 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] A rant towards a rescue. Needed. NOW. ... From here to where?
Goodsounds;450255 Wrote: Tired Legs - Good comments, I agree. Same to Moonbase (relative to his general comments). Similar comments describing a seemingly disinterested attitude concerning the Joe Sixpack market segment (the largest portion of the potential market, by the way) have been made before. And, I recall, were also responded to by saying that they are making the installation process easier, which is NOT the point. It may be that the company doesn't share the view or doesn't want to change its direction. Sorry, perhaps I'm misunderstanding. What is it that you currently think Logitech's long term goals with Squeezebox products are -- and how do those differ from the direction you think we should be going? -- Matt Wise Matt Wise's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13773 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=66745 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Squeezebox over mains network?
I'm another happy Homeplug user. Wi-fi's on for the Controller, laptops, iPeng and the Boom, but otherwise my gear's on ethernet via the mains . . . -- morris_minor Living Room: Transporter Study: Receiver Kitchen: Boom Son's Bedroom: Classic iPeng on an iPhone, 2 x Controllers Server: TranquilPC T2-WHS-A3i SC 7.2.1 - 23630 - - - - http://www.last.fm/user/morris_minor_1 morris_minor's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13950 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=66836 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Open-Source Crestron Module
Sorry, I haven't done Favorites yet. But I'm happy to add that to the top of the list. It will probably be about a month until I have time to do it though. If you want to be able to add radio stations to the favorites, I would need to finish off the general incorporation of radio. Right now I just have Pandora. But I think the thing to do is add Favorites and then go back and generalize the radio stuff. -- jwmelvin jwmelvin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2564 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=54943 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] A rant towards a rescue. Needed. NOW. ... From here to where?
TiredLegs;450224 Wrote: In my view, a key problem with open source software is that the techies develop it for their own desires, not those of Joe and Jane Sixpack who don't give a rats a** about SQLite vs. MySQL. The masses just want something that works well (even if it has a few bugs), without having to tinker under the hood. Think iPod or TiVo. When both of those products were first introduced, they already had very well thought out (if imperfect) user experiences which kept the technical details hidden from view. You didn't have to be a tech geek to appreciate them, but tech geeks could appreciate them anyway, despite their frustrations at not having full access to the inner workings. I hate to say this, and I'm sure I'll catch flak for it, but Logitech might be better off taking development entirely in house. I especially hate to say it, because the open source platform is one of the things that attracted me to buy Squeezeboxes in the first place. If we would talk about some open source project driven by the community I would partly agree with your comments but here we talk about an open source project driven by a company. In an open source project where the community makes the decisions a lot of your comments is valid, but this definitely isn't the case here. You have to understand that open source doesn't mean that the community makes the decisions or even that the decisions are available to the public. Logitech takes 100% of all decisions regarding the development of Squeezebox Server themselves and even though I'm not involved in them I'm pretty sure most decisions taken are based on business advantages/disadvantages. The code of Squeezebox Server is mostly written by Logitech employees and it's written the way it is because some manager within Logitech has told the employee they want a specific feature or solution. Sure, Logitech sometimes listens to developers AND users which aren't employees, but there is a huge difference between listening in on other developers/users and letting the other developers/users take the decisions. So please, don't blame the open source model for the decisions made. The only difference as far as I can see if this was a closed source project would be that: - Logitech would have a hard time to get feedback on code and decisions from outside developers. - Logitech would have a hard time to get free help from third party developers. - Logitech would have a harder time getting people to help them testing the product without economical compensation. The open source model makes it possible for Logitech to get help from people outside the company. TiredLegs;450224 Wrote: But Joe and Jane Sixpack don't frequent this forum, and that leads to skewed input into the open source development process unless your target market is open source developers. Sure, I can set up a Squeezebox system that's so easy to use that my girlfriend can handle it and even like it, but no way in heck could she set it up herself. I completely agree. If Logitech wants to target Joe and Jane Sixpack, they definitely need to look outside this forum for feedback. I'm sure they already have these kind of channels, we just don't know because we only sees what's posted in this forum. So please, don't make the mistake to think that this forum is the only input Logitech gets. TiredLegs;450224 Wrote: Does anybody here believe that open source development of Squeezecenter will ever lead to a product that is easy enough to set up that his or her mother could do it? Once again, don't blame the open source model for this. Logitech can still keep the open source development model, they'll just have to make sure this forum isn't their only input when making the decisions. If we would have talked about an open source project where the decisions were taken by the community and where the decisions was taken based on other things than what's good for the business, your comments are completely valid. However, this isn't really the case here. Don't get me wrong, I still party agree with you on this point. As long as Logitech only makes decisions which the users on this forum is happy with, it will be a hard time to make the Squeezebox products user friendly. However, the open source model isn't the cause to this, the situation would be exactly the same if this was a closed source project and Logitech only used the community for beta testing and feedback. The reasons a lot of options exists in Squeezebox Server IS because beta testers has requested them, not because this is a open source project. IMHO, to solve this Logitech needs to start taking decisions which the community isn't 100% happy with, the reason is that the current community member might not be the typical future user. There will be complains when this happens, but as long as the decisions are explained I'm sure most people on these forums will agree after a while. TiredLegs;450224 Wrote: I'll go
Re: [slim] A rant towards a rescue. Needed. NOW. ... From here to where?
Goodsounds;450255 Wrote: Tired Legs - Good comments, I agree. Same to Moonbase (relative to his general comments). Similar comments describing a seemingly disinterested attitude concerning the Joe Sixpack market segment (the largest portion of the potential market, by the way) have been made before. And, I recall, were also responded to by saying that they are making the installation process easier, which is NOT the point. It may be that the company doesn't share the view or doesn't want to change its direction. Maybe Joe Sixpack isn't the target user for the current release ? I've never seen Logitech stating that they are targeting Joe Sixpack and remember just because there are a lot of them it doesn't mean that they are easy to reach. Joe Sixpack might not be the easiest way to increase the economical result for Logitech. To reach Joe Sixpack, a lot of other things might be needed than just making the Squeezebox products easier to use. IMHO, there are two ways Joe Sixpack would be able to use the Squeezebox products: - If he/she only used streaming services and it was very easy to connect it to the network, it probably needs to be bundled with a pre-configured router to make this possible. - If Logitech solved the whole ripping part to make it easy to make that CD available to the Squeezebox system You have to remember that Joe Sixpack is used to turning on the radio or to buy a CD and insert it into a CD player, where the CD player or radio just needs to be plugged into the wall to work. As long as it's harder than this to use the Squeezebox products, I'm pretty sure Joe Sixpack will prefer his radio or CD player. We are not talking about someone that knows what a MP3 file is and we are not talking about someone that used to work with a computer or wireless networks. I think this type of user can be very hard to reach so Logitech probably have to do this in steps. To me, the first logical step seems to make it possible for users that at least are familiar with MP3 files to use the products and to make it easier for users that only use online streaming services to setup the device in the network. -- erland Erland Isaksson 'My homepage' (http://erland.isaksson.info) (Install my plugins through Extension Downloader) (Developer of 'TrackStat, SQLPlayList, DynamicPlayList, Custom Browse, Custom Scan, Custom Skip, Multi Library, Title Switcher and Database Query plugins' (http://wiki.erland.isaksson.info/index.php/Category:SlimServer)) erland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3124 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=66745 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Musicip quit working...What to check?
Finally got home and checked. Spicefly sugarcube was gone. Dl'ed it again to: C:\Program Files\SqueezeCenter\server\Plugins\SugarCube Rebooted Squeezecenter and went to settings/plugins. Still not there. Everything else seems to be there. After putting it in the plugins folder it seems like it has to be there but it isn't. Suggestions Thanks Steve -- Bert57 Bert57's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=19024 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=66782 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] A rant towards a rescue. Needed. NOW. ... From here to where?
Joe Sixpack listens to his ipod on a JBL speaker dock and considers it high end. He's not going to pay more than $100 for anything which streams, and it better do video at that price. Thinking that the only way to make a profit is to target your product to the lowest common denominator is a mistake, often a fatal one. Sure volume is higher, but so are support costs and margins are tiny. I have no more insight into the inner workings of Logitech than anyone else, but my impression is that they see the SB line as a somewhat premium, audio focused line for people who care a bit more than the average Joe about music. There are plenty of manufacturers who don't cater to Joe who do pretty well - I mean just look at Sonos. They might argue they're easier to setup (I have no evidence either way, just going on marketing spiel) but at the price they charge Joe Sixpack isn't going to give it a second look. -- radish http://www.last.fm/user/polymeric radish's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=77 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=66745 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] SqueezeBox fan, quick Sonos pro/cons?
Not sure you got the list you requested... Slim Devices Pros: -Players have displays so every location can display what is playing. When off you get weather forcasts, stocks, etc. Can also display custom messages via Home Automation servers etc. -Players can operate from included IR remotes as well as optional RF controllers. -Open source means more rapid feature additions(but not necessarily rapid bug fixes). Slim Devices Cons: -No easy streaming of local sources (some limited streaming from server CD drive or Radio Shark device) -SB Receiver does not permit direct configuration of key network settings such as static IP address. -No amplified version. You can get to a similar place using small auto-turn on amps (I use a lot of AudioSource Amp 100s)but it is not as neat an installation. Powered Speakers are also an option but not as versatile as an integrated amp in the player. -SB Controller has significant startup delay when picked up from table (no delay if picked up from charging stand) -SB Controller has some issues roaming from one wireless access point to another. SONOS Pros: -No startup delay with touch screen controller -Local source inputs for streaming iPod, Home Automation announcements, AM/FM tuners, etc. -Version with built-in amp for very neat installation while retaining ability to use wide range of speakers. -Easier wireless setup with no roaming issues for wireless controller. -Controller GUI is somewhat better at managing groups of linked players. -Fewer bugs or broken features. SONOS Cons: -No option to use IR remotes (so no using a universal programmable remote) -Not open source so smaller feature set overall and new features are slow to appear. -No local display so need expensive wireless controllers to see what is playing. (Not sure if display stays on when touch screen controller is in the cradle) Non Issues: Both systems need a PC or Network Attached Storage to hold the music library. It does not matter if the interface runs from the storage device (SqueezeCenter) or one of the players (SONOS). -Both systems can reliably maintain playback synchronization across multiple zones when playing native file formats. -- upstatemike upstatemike's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6409 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=66851 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Musicip quit working...What to check?
Code: C:\Program Files\SqueezeCenter\server\Plugins\SugarCube I don't think that is the correct path for third-party plug-ins. What version of SC are you running? If 7.3 or higher, you should use the extension downloader in settings to install plugins. If older, someone else will have to answer. I don't remember. -- MeSue Sue http://www.last.fm/user/MeSue MeSue's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=985 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=66782 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Announcement: VortexBox 0.8 released
agillis;449496 Wrote: VortexBox 0.8 has been released. It includes many of the most requested features from this user forum. We now get cover art from both Google images and Amazon so VortexBox should be able to find a good image for almost any CD. Realtime ripping status from the Web GUI was another highly requested feature. The ability to change timezone was also requested by many users who move their VortexBox between time zones regularly. Features in VortexBox 0.8 * real time AJAX CD ripper status * time zone configuration from web GUI * more accurate cover art * Logitech SqueezeCenter 7.3.3 pre installed and configured Is this available as a Yum Update for current Vortexbox users? -- iPhone *iPhone* Media Room: Transporter, VTL TL-6.5 Signature Pre-Amp, Ayre MX-R Mono's, VeraStarr 6.4SE 6-channel Amp, Vandersteen Speakers: Quatro Mains, VCC-5 Reference Center, four VSM-1 Signatures, Video: Runco RS 900 CineWide AutoScope 2.35:1 Living Room: Duet, ADCOM GTP-870HD, Cinepro 3K6SE III Gold, Vandersteen Model 3A Signature, Two 2Wq subs, VCC-2, Two VSM-1 Kitchen: Squeezebox BOOM Bedroom: SB3, GFR-700HD, Thiel 2.3, Second Boom Home Office: SB3, NAD C370, two VSM-1 Home Gym: SB3, Parasound Vamp v.3, Thiel PowerPoint 1.2 House Portable: SB3, Audioengine A5 Ford Thunderbird: Duet, Mac Mini Ford Expedition: SB3, ToughBook iPhone's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13622 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=66778 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] A rant towards a rescue. Needed. NOW. ... From here to where?
There is plenty of room in the market between $100 Airport Express clients used as Airtunes endpoints, and a Sonus or even Meridian/Soloos system if it comes to high end. The positioning of Logitech / Slim products is fine by me in terms of price point. What is less clear to me is whether this line of products can acquire the ease of use and robustness needed to make this, a fun product for the average public school teacher to own. It's fine to aim at professionals, but it would be great if the majority of enthusiastic owners were not necessarily -engineering- professionals. It's interesting how the Open model of software development gives users the feeling of being somehow part owners of the company, even expecting they can influence strategy and company culture with nothing more than a well-crafted forum posting! There's plenty of things I wish were different about the way these guys develop and release software, starting with making them all take the Hippocratic oath to first, do no harm. In other words, thou shalt not regress the codebase. But then I have to remember it's not my company, I will not be held accountable for what is released. It's not my problem. Now back to the music... -- dsdreamer -- Dreamer, easy in the chair that really fits you... dsdreamer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12588 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=66745 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Announcement: VortexBox 0.8 released
so many new features! more accurate cover art? how's that? set the time zone? OUTRAGEOUS!! doesn't a release less than one mean something? what about IPcop integration? talk about saving money!! Pski -- pski pski's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15574 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=66778 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] A rant towards a rescue. Needed. NOW. ... From here to where?
With SC as large as it is and with all it can do and users asking for more, at this point it is almost impossible to catch everything that could/might/are affected by a Code change. Can you image Slim Devices trying to do what they do without the Forum and the Beta user community? With all the features, devices available, plugins, etc, it would be next to impossible for even a group of people to test every single feature, in every available configuration, between Production releases much less before the next Nightly release. The Beta Community submits bugs and catches what it can to help with this process. Why do you think Roku and Sonos don't release updates very often? Part of it is that its not open source, but part of it is if its not a major major bug, they're not fixing it until 'they' get around to it. Lastly, it is open source, so if one doesn't like something, change it. Its never to late to learn a new programming language. -- iPhone *iPhone* Media Room: Transporter, VTL TL-6.5 Signature Pre-Amp, Ayre MX-R Mono's, VeraStarr 6.4SE 6-channel Amp, Vandersteen Speakers: Quatro Mains, VCC-5 Reference Center, four VSM-1 Signatures, Video: Runco RS 900 CineWide AutoScope 2.35:1 Living Room: Duet, ADCOM GTP-870HD, Cinepro 3K6SE III Gold, Vandersteen Model 3A Signature, Two 2Wq subs, VCC-2, Two VSM-1 Kitchen: Squeezebox BOOM Bedroom: SB3, GFR-700HD, Thiel 2.3, Second Boom Home Office: SB3, NAD C370, two VSM-1 Home Gym: SB3, Parasound Vamp v.3, Thiel PowerPoint 1.2 House Portable: SB3, Audioengine A5 Ford Thunderbird: Duet, Mac Mini Ford Expedition: SB3, ToughBook iPhone's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13622 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=66745 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] SqueezeBox fan, quick Sonos pro/cons?
upstatemike;450276 Wrote: Not sure you got the list you requested... Slim Devices Pros: -Players have displays so every location can display what is playing. When off you get weather forcasts, stocks, etc. Can also display custom messages via Home Automation servers etc. -Players can operate from included IR remotes as well as optional RF controllers. -Open source means more rapid feature additions(but not necessarily rapid bug fixes). Slim Devices Cons: -No easy streaming of local sources (some limited streaming from server CD drive or Radio Shark device) -SB Receiver does not permit direct configuration of key network settings such as static IP address. -No amplified version. You can get to a similar place using small auto-turn on amps (I use a lot of AudioSource Amp 100s)but it is not as neat an installation. Powered Speakers are also an option but not as versatile as an integrated amp in the player. -SB Controller has significant startup delay when picked up from table (no delay if picked up from charging stand) -SB Controller has some issues roaming from one wireless access point to another. SONOS Pros: -No startup delay with touch screen controller -Local source inputs for streaming iPod, Home Automation announcements, AM/FM tuners, etc. -Version with built-in amp for very neat installation while retaining ability to use wide range of speakers. -Easier wireless setup with no roaming issues for wireless controller. -Controller GUI is somewhat better at managing groups of linked players. -Fewer bugs or broken features. SONOS Cons: -No option to use IR remotes (so no using a universal programmable remote) -Not open source so smaller feature set overall and new features are slow to appear. -No local display so need expensive wireless controllers to see what is playing. (Not sure if display stays on when touch screen controller is in the cradle) Non Issues: Both systems need a PC or Network Attached Storage to hold the music library. It does not matter if the interface runs from the storage device (SqueezeCenter) or one of the players (SONOS). -Both systems can reliably maintain playback synchronization across multiple zones when playing native file formats. Sonos: expensive Squeeze: way less expensive -Players have displays so every location can display what is playing. When off you get weather forcasts, stocks, etc. Can also display custom messages via Home Automation servers etc. WRONG: SR (squeezebox receiver) does NOT have a display other than a color LED. -Players can operate from included IR remotes as well as optional RF controllers. WRONG: SB (squeezebox) include IR. Transporter includes IR controller. -No easy streaming of local sources (some limited streaming from server CD drive or Radio Shark device) WRONG: WTF is a local source? You put your music where the server can find it. Might as well complain that Boom can't play a CD. RIGHT: -No amplified version. You can get to a similar place using small auto-turn on amps (I use a lot of AudioSource Amp 100s)but it is not as neat an installation. Powered Speakers are also an option but not as versatile as an integrated amp in the player. I'm sorry, I thought line-level was a universal concept. How many speakers? Will it match my Kappa 9's? DUH?: -SB Controller has significant startup delay when picked up from table (no delay if picked up from charging stand) I don't have an issue with 4 seconds from saving my battery for you. DUH?: -No local display so need expensive wireless controllers to see what is playing. (Not sure if display stays on when touch screen controller is in the cradle) See Expensive above. I think this is just another Squeeze Pro. P -- pski pski's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15574 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=66851 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Announcement: VortexBox 0.8 released
If you are using 0.7 you can do a yum update to get 0.8 otherwise you need to follow the upgrade procedure. http://vortexbox.org/2009/06/vortexbox-06-to-07-upgrades/ VortexBox still needs a few more features and testing to be ready for 1.0 but we are almost there. -- agillis rip, tag, get cover art All you do is insert the CD! http://vortexbox.org agillis Lead Developer VortexBox agillis's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=21140 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=66778 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] A rant towards a rescue. Needed. NOW. ... From here to where?
iPhone;450298 Wrote: With SC as large as it is and with all it can do and users asking for more, at this point it is almost impossible to catch everything that could/might/are affected by a Code change. I'm glad the software people at Boeing and Airbus don't have this attitude! ;-) C'mon, iphone, it's a music player, not something relatively complicated (in the grand scheme of things). Most hardware products have substantial software content and/or companion software (even semiconductors do). The bigger or more complicated the hardware, the bigger and more complicated the software. The vast, vast majority of companies handle it internally. What is it about these products that lead you to think that this approach is not an outlier? Fact is, it's rare. I think it contributes to some of the negatives others have discussed so eloquently. -- Goodsounds Goodsounds's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14201 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=66745 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] A rant towards a rescue. Needed. NOW. ... From here to where?
iPhone;450298 Wrote: With SC as large as it is and with all it can do and users asking for more, at this point it is almost impossible to catch everything that could/might/are affected by a Code change. Can you image Slim Devices trying to do what they do without the Forum and the Beta user community? With all the features, devices available, plugins, etc, it would be next to impossible for even a group of people to test every single feature, in every available configuration, between Production releases much less before the next Nightly release. The Beta Community submits bugs and catches what it can to help with this process. Why do you think Roku and Sonos don't release updates very often? Part of it is that its not open source, but part of it is if its not a major major bug, they're not fixing it until 'they' get around to it. Lastly, it is open source, so if one doesn't like something, change it. Its never to late to learn a new programming language. There are degrees to things, logi could do some rudimentary testing with a clean product without the most complicated plugins. So a basic test with installing the sw on officially supported platforms setup a bunch of players scan a test library, play some music etc (using consumer grade routers on DCHP ;) with pw protection on in SC ) . Just some normal sanity checks input vs output compared to a specification. A beta is supposed to be a *functional* software with bugs known or unknown, betas are perfect for finding the thousands of small issues that would require months of in-house testing to find. -- Mnyb No it can NOT be controlled with iTunes Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=66745 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] A rant towards a rescue. Needed. NOW. ... From here to where?
iPhone;450298 Wrote: With SC as large as it is and with all it can do and users asking for more, at this point it is almost impossible to catch everything that could/might/are affected by a Code change. Can you image Slim Devices trying to do what they do without the Forum and the Beta user community? With all the features, devices available, plugins, etc, it would be next to impossible for even a group of people to test every single feature, in every available configuration, between Production releases much less before the next Nightly release. The Beta Community submits bugs and catches what it can to help with this process. Finding every bug can't be done in an economical way, the quality is related to the cost of testing it. For each product you will have to decide which quality you can afford to reach. As an example if there is a major bug in some software in an aircraft your company is going to be heavily affected after the aircraft crash. It's not going to make the people that was inside the aircraft and their relatives happy if you fix the bug a week later. With a music player a bug will cause a bit of frustration but often people are happy when it works a week later. I think there are a number of reasons why we have the current situation, like: 1. There isn't a specification that describes how it is supposed to work, much of the functionality seems to be in the head of different people. This is especially true if we talk about how it should behave with different combinations of settings and tagging schemes. A result of this is that you don't remember to test everything because you don't remember the functionality exists. It's also hard to prioritize correctly during your testing work. They started to do this once but I don't think it was finished: http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/Slim_Server_Specification_(6.5.1) http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/SlimServer7Spec I'm not sure if the above specifications are used anymore, someone from Logitech would have to answer if there is any point for us to help correcting them. 2. There aren't any official test cases available to the beta testers, so it's very hard for the beta testers and volunteers to do any structured testing without inventing the wheel themselves. I hope at least the Logitech test team has some kind of structured test cases, if they don't there should be a huge improvement potential. 3. Some parts of the code isn't automated tested, some because it's hard to do automated testing on it and some because no one has bothered yet. Automated test is really the best way to do testing on all functionality. 4. With the current amount of resources assigned to testing within the Logitech team it's hard or even impossible to get the quality some people expect. I still think there is a improvement potential but IMHO it's related to the first two points. So what can we do ? - Complain in the forum and tell the Logitech people how to do the work like I just did ? This really doesn't help much because I'm pretty sure they already know what the problem is. I'm guessing that's the reason it hasn't been done already is because they've had to prioritize other things. - Letting Logitech know if you think the quality is to low so they know if they have to improve or not. However, remember that it's always up to Logitech to decide if it's worth the cost or not. Sometimes it's easier to raise the income by adding more functionality than raising the quality of existing functionality. - Ask Logitech to stop the development for a year and only focus on testing every functionality that already exists ? With the result that the competition catches up and leaves Logitech behind... - Use the beta version and register bugs at http://bugs.slimdevices.com when we find something that doesn't work. - Buy more Squeezebox devices so Logitech can afford to add more people to their test team. - Help updating the above mentioned specifications on the wiki (if Logitech uses them). -- erland Erland Isaksson 'My homepage' (http://erland.isaksson.info) (Install my plugins through Extension Downloader) (Developer of 'TrackStat, SQLPlayList, DynamicPlayList, Custom Browse, Custom Scan, Custom Skip, Multi Library, Title Switcher and Database Query plugins' (http://wiki.erland.isaksson.info/index.php/Category:SlimServer)) erland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3124 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=66745 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] DSBridge - A simpler way to stream Spotify
tme;449779 Wrote: Hi all - streaming spotify is great and all but I am looking into how we might have a full plugin with all the lists and controls etc. On linux I can run spotify under wine under xvfb and trace text output to scrape track names etc and inject x11 events to control it, eg: ... That means you can run the plugin under Linux with wine? How do you do that? How do i have to configure wine to use the dsbridge.dll? nickname -- nickname nickname's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11468 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=64590 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
