Re: [slim] Cheap active speakers?
On 01/09/10 10:49, TheLastMan wrote: I have given up on the iPod dock with Aux input as an alternative, as anything decent is about twice her budget and probably not as good sounding. She only has an 8GB iPod, all her music is on the SBS server anyway, and she likes to surf Napster. So she tends to iPeng rather than iPod when listening at home. Having her do that in her own room rather than on the livingroom hi-fi will be worth a little extra funding! How about this: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=230486998081 Might get one for my daughter! R. ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Digital output level for Duet and Touch
On 20/07/10 00:09, tonyptony wrote: When the players' digital voume control is set to max, are the digital outs for both the Duet and the Touch (coax RCA for both) at the same level? That is, will they produce the same volume (within .1 or .2 dB) when fed into the same system with the same cable? They must do, by definition. R. ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Net::UDAP - SqueezeBox Receiver configuration tool
On 30/11/09 21:29, gabe01 wrote: Hello - I have posted in the past with a problem that my SBR light went blue and I couldn't get everything configured correctly with UDAP. In the end, I bought a remote controller, ran the configuration, and then returned it =P...well, now it's happened again! I have 2 SBRs running with iPeng. One SBR light went blue (last time both went blue) and is no longer listed as an available player. The other SBR is working normally. I imagine that I just need to copy whatever configuration settings are in my working one, to my non-working one, and that I can use UDAP to check this out. However, before I do this, I wanted to see if running the script would cause a reset or something that would cause both SBRs to lose all of their configurations? Or, if I can run the script, take a look at one list of settings, and re-type those for the other SBR? Anyone know? I really don't want to get in the habit of having to buy/return those controllers! If you press and hold the button until it starts flashing, then release, you should be able to discover with Net-UDAP. Don't press and hold too long or you'll do a factory reset which would lose your settings. R. ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Net::UDAP - SqueezeBox Receiver configuration tool
On 07/09/09 10:31, TKSQB wrote: hello, I bourght a 2nd squeezebox receiver. The firts is configured with udap_shell and I use my HP PDA. Everything works well. Now I tried to configure the 2nd one. The night was short but it don´t works the receiver goes to blue but don´t find the server. http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/SBRFrontButtonAndLED BLUE: Waiting to connect to SqueezeCenter or SqueezeNetwork That suggest you have not specified the server address correctly, or the server is firewalled. The greatest problem for me i to edit the configuration again and again via udap_shell. Is it possible to configure with a configuration-file witch I can modify and save to load it new? If yes, where must I save the file, which extension must the file have and can I use a simple Editor? I use udap_shel for windows. regards and thanks for help No, you can't do that. However, two things that might help. 1. Press and hold the button until the light flashes red slowly, and release it before it begins flashing red quickly. This puts the SBR in config mode and enables Net-UDAP to discover it and retrieve the current settings. 2. udap_shell should have a command history - press cursor up to scroll back through previous commands. Perhaps this doesn't work on Windows? R. ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Net::UDAP - SqueezeBox Receiver configuration tool
On 24/08/09 20:58, grego.speiser wrote: I have a squeezebox classic whose display stopped working last week. It played music fine. I called tech support, they had me do a factory reset (holding down '+' on remote) which did not fix anything. Unfortunately, the unit is no longer connected to my server. I've tried connecting it blind--following steps from other posts and looking at the display from by boom--but I can't get it reconnected. Would Robin's app be useful here? Yes, it may be. If you do a factory reset again, then try a discovery using Net-UDAP, it should find your classic. You should then be able to configure it, and have it working again. Good luck! R. ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Net::UDAP - SqueezeBox Receiver configuration tool
On 17/08/09 18:32, MillmoorRon wrote: Is this just for the initial setup so that you can set network stuff, then Squeezecenter is used normally for other options? That's correct. R. ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Net::UDAP - SqueezeBox Receiver configuration tool
On 18/08/09 08:14, karibe wrote: robinbowes;449118 Wrote: In that case, it may be that your SBR is faulty. You might like to try calling Logitech support, although you may find that they only offer offical support if you have the Controller as well. R. I'm afraid I have to care myself. Two last ideas: 1.I'll try to configure it by simple ethernet switch ( not by linksys wrt54G v.6 router with ddwrt software as previously ) 2. Maybe direct connection through CAT5 crossed cable will be solution Karibe, If you have both the computer running Net-UDAP and the SBR plugged into the normal switch ports of the WRT54G then it should be fine. I use a similar router (actually, a WRT54GS and a WRT54GL) with dd-wrt. It certainly sounds like your unit is faulty. R. ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Net::UDAP - SqueezeBox Receiver configuration tool
On 18/08/09 15:25, ggoodwin wrote: I've been stuggling with getting a new SBR working using the UDAP exe all day. Tried wired and wireless Light turns blue SBR has an IP from DHCP (seen in SBR config and DHCP server) SBR does not respond to ping though also tried static ip and dhcp reservation with same results Eventually I saw rwwebb's post and tried pasting his wireless config with just my personalisations and bingo it connects to the wireless network and sc! exactly what I wanted. The only thing I can see being different from what I had been doing is forcibly /applying all the commands/options even when they are already set/default to the correct setting. thoughts? What set command were you using originally? And what was the one that worked? R. ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Net::UDAP - SqueezeBox Receiver configuration tool
On 07/08/09 14:25, daviseh wrote: THanks Robin - One last question. I am not sure about the lan_network_address. If the address of the NIC card in my desktop is 192.168.0.100 per ipconfig and squeezecenter settings gives me that address as the server where do you find the lan_network_address. I assumed that was the static address I am assigning to the SBR. It is - you choose the address. If your desktop has address 192.168.0.100, then try using 192.168.0.101. I turned off the firewall but I keep losing the SBR. Squeezecenter finds it but ipeng and squeemote do not. Also, I can't switch to squeezenetwork and get a pin. I have gone from DHCP to static and back numerous times but can't seem to get it right. If you've getting a connection to the server, then you've set up the SBR OK. I'm not sure why you're having problems with the other things. R. ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Net::UDAP - SqueezeBox Receiver configuration tool
On 04/08/09 20:34, daviseh wrote: Thanks Robin. I changed interface from 0 to 1 and I was able to use iPeng to connect to Squeezenetwork. When I log into squeezenetwork the player is there. However, squeezecenter does not find the player and I can not connect to squeezecneter from iPeng. So I guess I still have some settings wrong. This is the example I give on the wiki [1] for a wired, static connection: discover conf 1 set interface=1 lan_ip_mode=0 lan_gateway=192.168.3.1 lan_network_address=192.168.3.10 lan_subnet_mask=255.255.255.0 primary_dns=192.168.3.1 squeezecenter_address=192.168.1.150 save_data reset If this doesn't work [2], then you have some other network issue - firewall on the squeezecenter server, perhaps? R. [1] https://projects.robinbowes.com/Net-UDAP/trac/wiki/SampleUsage [2] change the IP values to match your own network ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Net::UDAP - SqueezeBox Receiver configuration tool
On 04/08/09 05:18, daviseh wrote: I am having a problem figuring this out. I have a wired setup with the following specs IP Address = 192.168.0.105 Gateway = 192.168.0.1 Squeezecenter address=192.168.105 So I reset the SBR and entered the following: discover conf 1 set interface=0 lan_ip_mode=0 lan_gateway=192.168.0.1 lan_network_address=?? lan_subnet_mask=255.255.255.0 primary_dns=192.168.0.1 squeezecenter_address=192.168.0.105 save_data reset I assumed that the lan_network_address became the static IP. Is this correct? If not, how do you assign a static IP address? According to the docs, interface=0 means wireless; try interface=1 R. ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Another flac2mp3 query
On 26/07/09 23:36, socistep wrote: Hi All Have got flac2mp3 working well on my server, scheduled to run daily. On checking outputs I've noticed that each time it runs that the following files are updated Writing tags to /storage/music/mp3/Black Rebel Motorcycle Club/Take Them On, On Your Own/00 Hidden Track.mp3 Writing tags to /storage/music/mp3/British Sea Power/Open Season/00 Hidden Track.mp3 Writing tags to /storage/music/mp3/Goldie Lookin Chain/Greatest Hits/00 Hidden Track.mp3 Anyone know why it would keep re-writing tags for these '00 - Hidden Track' songs ? Can you register [1] and create a ticket [2] please? Thanks, R. [1] https://projects.robinbowes.com/flac2mp3/trac/register [2] https://projects.robinbowes.com/flac2mp3/trac/newticket ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] flac2mp3 issue
On 20/07/09 20:05, ModelCitizen wrote: socistep;442141 Wrote: Any ideas what could be causing this ? Yup, the $ character. Robin only thinks in pounds. Specifically: https://projects.robinbowes.com/flac2mp3/trac#Donations ;) R. ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Net::UDAP - SqueezeBox Receiver configuration tool
hase wrote: hi there, i got a SBR today, and tried setting it up with the net::udap tool, unfortunately i was not very successful :(. the perl script seems to be running ok, but the 'discover' command does not find the SBR. i'm using - ubuntu 9.04 - netgear wgr614v2 router with only 2 devices connected (pc and the SBR) - the SBR is blinking red (slow) - there are no blocked ports/services in the router - the SBR does not show up under the 'attached devices' section of the router does anyone have an idea why it's not working? i'm absolutely out of ideas. Can you please take this to the Net::UDAP list: http://lists.projects.robinbowes.com/mailman/listinfo/net-udap Thanks, R. ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Duet Receiver Only Question
dsdreamer wrote: For more info, look here: http://projects.robinbowes.com/Net-UDAP/trac This is not a polished or user-friendly program, so it may not suit everyone and as I say it is *not* supported by Logitech. It is possible that you could buy a receiver and find the task of setting it up too difficult to complete, depending on your competence and confidence in such matters. One of these days, I'll get round to turning this into a SqueezeCenter plugin. However, it's not all that hard to use. Try these instructions: https://projects.robinbowes.com/Net-UDAP/trac/wiki/GettingStarted If you have any problems, there's a mailing list: http://lists.projects.robinbowes.com/mailman/listinfo/net-udap R. ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Net::UDAP - SqueezeBox Receiver configuration tool
jackamo wrote: OK! Thank you! What are functions I miss if I choose only Receiver without Controller? Is there smth I can do with Controller and can't in SqueezeCenter? I don't believe the SBR can do more without the SBC, but I suggest you post that as another question in a separate thread - you'll likely get a more considered response. R. ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Net::UDAP - SqueezeBox Receiver configuration tool
jackamo wrote: Hi! I'm absolute beginner in all this stuff together with very poor english. So my Q are: 1. what should I do if my wireless network is without WEP and WPA - MAC adress filtering only? Don't enable WEP or WPA: set wireless_wep_on=0 wireless_wpa_on=0 2. where I can find wireless_region_id=? I'm from Europe and having D-Link DI-524 wifi router. The regions are: wireless_region_id: 4 - US, 6 - CA, 7 - AU, 13 - FR, 14 - EU, 16 - JP, 21 - TW, 23 - CH You can find all this information by running the udap_shell.pl script and typing fields. R. ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Net::UDAP not discovering?
gregcann wrote: Hello All! I have just bought a Squeezebox receiver to add to my original Squeezebox player / center. I downloaded the UDAP software installed with ActivePerl on a direct wired laptop on the same network as my new receiver (wired) and existing Squeezebox (wireless). Double clicking on the udap_shell file in the scripts folder launches the Perl window with UDAP prompt OK. Typing discover shows it broadcasting adv_discovery but no response. I have pushed the button on the receiver until it flashes fast then released it's flashing slowly which I believe is correct for the init stage. Using IPCONFIG in a cmd window I only have one ethernet interface which is configured by DHCP from my router. I can ping the router, squeezebox original unit my Slimserver PC from this machine. Hi, Do you have a firewall turned on? If so, try turning it off, or opening port 17784 for UDP broadcast traffic. Should I be able to discover my old squeezebox with this tool? Yes, I believe if you do a factory reset it will be in a condition equivalent to the SBR init state. If you're not already using it, I would suggest you try using: https://projects.robinbowes.com/Net-UDAP/trac/browser/branches/1.0.x or https://projects.robinbowes.com/Net-UDAP/trac/browser/branches/1.1.x The 1.0.x branch is self-contained, ie. it comes with all necessary modules. The 1.1.x branch requires that you install the following modules: Class::Accessor IO::Interface::Simple Log::StdLog Term::Shell version R. ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Any reason why a SB3 playing FLAC out Toslink would sound different than a CD player?
DrewSB wrote: Let's say you have a SB3 connected via Toslink to a receiver and are playing FLAC files ripped from a CD. Is there any reason this would not sound identical to the same CD being played through a decent CD player's Toslink output? Both players should be sending identical bits to the receiver, or am I missing something? Yes, you're missing something. The signal is transmitted over an analogue medium and the signal timing information is embedded in the bitstream and must be decoded by the receiver. If the timing information can not be re-created accurately it can cause differences in sound between different digital sources, and even different digital cables. Try googling jitter. R. ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Product Longevity
Gooner wrote: Hello everyone. I'm interested in views as to how many years I could expect a Squeezebox to function fault free. If you own one of these, could you let me know how long you've had it and whether it continues to work :) This is in relation to a dispute I'm having with DABS.COM All input greatly received. Simon, As you're talking about dabs.com and your handle is gooner (Arsenal fan?) I am assuming you're in the UK? You might find this interesting: http://www.berr.gov.uk/whatwedo/consumers/fact-sheets/page38311.html R. ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Net::UDAP - SqueezeBox Receiver configuration tool
sderuiter wrote: I've copied all files to a subdir under /usr/bin. When I run the command from your wiki, the following output greets me: Which wiki page are you following? Code: Nemo:/usr/bin/ndap/tags/RELEASE_1.0.0# scripts/udap_shell.pl -bash: scripts/udap_shell.pl: Permission denied Nemo:/usr/bin/ndap/tags/RELEASE_1.0.0# That's because the script hasn't got the executable bit set. Either use: Nemo:/usr/bin/ndap/tags/RELEASE_1.0.0# perl scripts/udap_shell.pl or: Nemo:/usr/bin/ndap/tags/RELEASE_1.0.0# chmod +x scripts/udap_shell.pl Nemo:/usr/bin/ndap/tags/RELEASE_1.0.0# scripts/udap_shell.pl If I cd to the scripts directory, I get: Code: Nemo:/usr/bin/ndap/tags/RELEASE_1.0.0/scripts# udap_shell.pl -bash: udap_shell.pl: command not found Nemo:/usr/bin/ndap/tags/RELEASE_1.0.0/scripts# That's because on unix/linux, unlike DOS/Windows, the current directory is not in the command path. To run a command in the current directory, use: Nemo:/usr/bin/ndap/tags/RELEASE_1.0.0/scripts# ./udap_shell.pl I seem to be unable to run any perl script. Nope, you are obviously just new to linux/unix. There's a bit of a learning curve! R. ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Net::UDAP - SqueezeBox Receiver configuration tool
sderuiter wrote: mirhon;405516 Wrote: @Peter I'm not sure how to add WEP key using your udap_shell_1_0_0.exe. On Net-UDAP site: http://projects.robinbowes.com/Net-UDAP/trac#January212009 I can read: I just committed a change that switches to hex entry for WEP keys. This simply means that instead of entering a hex key like this: abcd, you should now enter it like this: 61626364. How to add WEP key using this exe (hex or plain text)? Hi, I have the same issue. My WEP key is in HEX, which leads to a yellow button. The SBR does work over wired, it has the latest firmware downloaded. But how should I convert my 10digit HEX key to ASCII? I haven't found a reference that translates above abcd into 61626364, maybe this is just an example. As Siduhe has pointed out, there are several on-line tools that can convert from ascii to hex and vice versa. What you need to do is: 1. Take your hex key, e.g. '61626364' and convert it to ascii. This will result in something like 'abcd' 2. Use the resulting ascii string to set the WEP key You will run into problems if you have used hex results in non-printable ascii characters. You could get round that by choosing a nice ascii password, converting to hex, storing the WEP key in your WAP, then using the original ascii to set the WEP key on your SBR. Of course, the best way to fix this would be to upgrade to the latest version of Net-UDAP which accepts WEP key entry in hex. R. ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Issue with UDAP
There are some examples on the web site:
http://projects.robinbowes.com/Net-UDAP/trac/wiki/SampleUsage
Failing that, try posting to the mailing list:
net-udap {at} projects.robinbowes.com
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Re: [slim] Spotify on Squeezebox
bpa wrote: A plugin based on current API would only work on x86 Linux systems and premium users. I think it may be necessary to wait awhile for a more generic API. N, I run x86 linux systems! Would be nice to steal a march for a change; it's usually Windows that are catered for first. R. ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Controlling Squeezecentre with a Nokia phone
Mr_Sukebe wrote: simonjedrake;391149 Wrote: All you need to do to access your SC via your mobile isto enter /handheld/ after the www address of your SC as per the below example. http://192.168.1.11:9001/handheld/ I use my Nokia E71 the whole time as an extra remote on my Wifi network at home. It can get interesting/funny if having configered your router for Port fowarding to be able to use your Nokia over your normal mobile network to change what your wife is listening to in the kitchen ..all from your Nokia anywere in the world Simon Sorted, my thanks. Now up and running. Can't say I'm impressed by how it looks. Got a suggestion for a more snazzy skin? Nokia ;) (It's actually called Nokia770) R. ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Controlling Squeezecentre with a Nokia phone
Mr_Sukebe wrote: Please excuse my lack of knowledge on this, I did try searching for info, but there wasn't much and it left me even more confused. In short, I bought a snazzy Nokia 5800 today, which I'm guessing is capable of controlling my SB. Squeezecentre is running on my XP PC. I get the impression that I'll need to add an application (skin?) onto the phone and configure it to address Squeezecentre. Is that correct? Anyone got a mugs guide link to the process? I would imagine you need to connect your phone to your wireless network and browse to your local squeezecenter, perhaps using the handheld or nokia skin. R. ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Just a thought
coffeetime wrote: Hello everybody! I was just wondering-relating to the forum; for example, after a problem is solved, the OP adds [*solved*] into the thread. This would help searching for solutions for new users. Than maybe an IRC channel would be good too? And by the way, are here any official Admins/Mods? Try ##squeeze on Freenode - only me in there most of the time :) R. ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Net::UDAP - SqueezeBox Receiver configuration tool
Howard Passman wrote: peter;381812 Wrote: Robin Bowes wrote: Hi all, Net::UDAP is a Perl module to configure the SqueezeBox Receiver (SBR) from a PC, i.e. without requiring a SqueezeBox Controller (SBC). The project homepage is here: http://projects.robinbowes.com/Net-UDAP Net::UDAP was originally released in June 2008 and there have been no significant changes since then. However, I've recently updated the documentation so thought I'd post this announcement in case anyone tried it previously but got stuck for whatever reason. I've 'compiled' this version with perlapp from the Activestate Perl PDK. The resulting executable is a probably bit easier to user for the average SB user. You can put it up on the Net-UDAP page if you want. http://slim2lirc.myown.mailcan.com/udap_shell_1_0_0.exe Regards, Peter Hi Peter, I got your UI to work, but am not sure how to change parameters. I assumed set then the parameter name and then the value, but that wasn't it. Could you give us less technical folks a hint about how to change or set parameters. Howard, There's a guide here: http://projects.robinbowes.com/Net-UDAP/trac/wiki/GettingStarted In a nutshell, you're right; setting/changing parameters is done, e.g., like this: UDAP discover UDAP list #MAC AddressType Status == = == === 1 00:04:20:16:05:8f squeezebox init UDAP configure 1 UDAP [1] (squeezebox 16058f) set server_address=192.168.1.50 UDAP [1] (squeezebox 16058f) save_data Also, it appears you have to reset the device to default in order to get in to it. If someone wanted to change one parameter is it possible for you to make is so we could discover a specific MAC address or ip? You don't have to reset the device - just put it in init mode, i.e. slow-blinking red LED. Thanks to you and Robin for all the work. My only comment is the folks that really need this (first time users of the SBR) probably won't be able to use the tool unless you come up with a much easier UI. I initially started work on a SC plugin that does this - I ought to re-visit it and get it finished. Spare time is the issue... R. ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Net::UDAP - SqueezeBox Receiver configuration tool
Peter wrote: I don't understand how they get away with selling the SBR as a separate product without providing a simple setup tool with it. Open Source does not mean you let your users do all the work. The SBR is sold separately for users who require 1 receiver with just one controller, i.e. buy a duet + a separate SBR or two. R. ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Net::UDAP - SqueezeBox Receiver configuration tool
Peter wrote: I've 'compiled' this version with perlapp from the Activestate Perl PDK. The resulting executable is a probably bit easier to user for the average SB user. You can put it up on the Net-UDAP page if you want. http://slim2lirc.myown.mailcan.com/udap_shell_1_0_0.exe Thanks for this. Any idea about the licensing implications? i.e. is it freely distributable? R. ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Net::UDAP - SqueezeBox Receiver configuration tool
Robin Bowes wrote: Peter wrote: I've 'compiled' this version with perlapp from the Activestate Perl PDK. The resulting executable is a probably bit easier to user for the average SB user. You can put it up on the Net-UDAP page if you want. http://slim2lirc.myown.mailcan.com/udap_shell_1_0_0.exe Thanks for this. Any idea about the licensing implications? i.e. is it freely distributable? Hmmm, I get the variable not initialised msgs when I ran this the first time, but it was OK with code direct from the RELEASE_1.0.0 tag and also the second time I ran this executable. I wonder what causes that? R. ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Net::UDAP - SqueezeBox Receiver configuration tool
Hi all, Net::UDAP is a Perl module to configure the SqueezeBox Receiver (SBR) from a PC, i.e. without requiring a SqueezeBox Controller (SBC). The project homepage is here: http://projects.robinbowes.com/Net-UDAP Net::UDAP was originally released in June 2008 and there have been no significant changes since then. However, I've recently updated the documentation so thought I'd post this announcement in case anyone tried it previously but got stuck for whatever reason. I've also fixed the registration system on the website so it is now possible to register, login, and create support tickets. You could even go completely crazy and add/improve the doucmenation by editing the wiki! Net::UDAP is free software, but allow me to draw your attention to my Paypal donnation link: http://projects.robinbowes.com/Net-UDAP/trac/wiki/WikiStart#Donations ;) Enjoy! R. ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Net::UDAP - SqueezeBox Receiver configuration tool
Peter wrote: Excellent work, Robin! I'll check it out. IMHO LogiTech should make a handsome donation for your good work (and work they should've been doing themselves). How about 5 free Duets for each of your kids? ;) Oh, I get my rewards, direct and indirect. For example, I start a new perl coding job on Monday 12th essentially on the back of my Net::UDAP code. So, I'm fairly happy. That's not to say that I wouldn't welcome more recompense, financial or otherwise ;) R. ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Need New Wireless Router
radish wrote: http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/RouterStatus I personally use a D-Link DIR-655 and love it, others will no doubt proclaim love for DD-WRT and suggest you put it on your WRT54GS. Certainly worth trying! I use a WRT54GS and a WRT54GL, both with DD-WRT, both excellent. Try DD-WRT on your GS; if it still doesn't work right, get a GL. R. ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Need New Wireless Router
Peter wrote: Robin Bowes wrote: radish wrote: http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/RouterStatus I personally use a D-Link DIR-655 and love it, others will no doubt proclaim love for DD-WRT and suggest you put it on your WRT54GS. Certainly worth trying! I use a WRT54GS and a WRT54GL, both with DD-WRT, both excellent. Try DD-WRT on your GS; if it still doesn't work right, get a GL. They're all wireless-g though, aren't they? And? The OP is using his current device with 3 Squeezeboxen - they too are wireless G. R. ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Need New Wireless Router
mewzshn wrote: My wireless router (Linksys WRT54GS) seems to have hit bottom - I'm having to reset it multiple times a day just to get internet. The old one has 2 antennae which I replaced with ugly longer ones and my wireless coverage was not great but OK much of the time. I decided to try a range extender, and being the cheapskate that I am, bought a Belkin for $39. I have 3 squeezeboxes and the furthest one (which of course is in the music room with the best equipment) went from signal strength of around 32% to the mid 40's. To make a long story shorter, I replaced it with a Linksys WRT100 Rangeplus, expecting wonderful things and my signal strength has gone DOWN to about 15%. The new router has internal antennae, so I can't use my big ugly extensions and I have not connected the Belkin extender. I'm interested in how others have solved similar problems. Do SB's work better with some routers than others, and have any of you found one router or configuration to deal with walls better than others? One other idea is to consider Powerline networking. I have a pair of Zyxel PLA-400 devices: http://www.scan.co.uk/Search.aspx?q=LN21134 Both are plugged into extension boards yet still seem to work just fine. R. ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Need New Wireless Router
Peter wrote: Robin Bowes wrote: Peter wrote: Robin Bowes wrote: They're all wireless-g though, aren't they? And? And I'd like an alternative firmware AP with wireless-g. Eh? You mean wireless-n ? The OP is using his current device with 3 Squeezeboxen - they too are wireless G. So am I, but I also have laptops that are easily upgraded to N. I'm sure there are APs available that support N and also run DD-WRT. I've not looked though since I don't have any need for N R. ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Squeezecenter 7.3 will not play .flac files
cvj wrote: After installing 7.3 (Windows XP) I get the following error message when I try to play .flac encoded files on my Squeezebox 3: Problem: Unable to play this filetype I have lots of .flac encoded files and never had a problem playing them on my SB3. I checked Advanced Options filetypes and FLAC is enabled. Do I need to go back to ver 7.2 or is there a fix for this? flac is decoded natively on SB2/3/Classic so this sounds like a configuration issue. How are your filetypes configured? Go to Settings, Advanced and choose File Types Mine say: FlacFlacNative MP3 flac/lame WAV flac R. ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Transporter - why is there no digital output when using the digital inputs?
StigErik wrote: When connecting a digital source to any of the digital inputs on the Transporter, there is output at the analog outputs, but not at the digital output. Is there any good reason for this? I would really like this to work, as I use other digital sources with my Transporter, and my subwoofers are connected to one digital output (I use a Behringer DCX296 for room correction) Try turning on the Fx loop. R. ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] SB2/3 Modular Native Codecs in Firmware
ian_heys wrote: Has anyone ever considered tackling this issue. Apparently there is limited capacity for native codecs within the SB2/3 but some formats are provided that I don't use. For me the ideal native combination would be: WAV*/AAC/AAC+/WMA*/MP3* (* = already native) I would be willing to relinquish some of the other native codecs so that I could receive all these natively within the SB2/3 and even subscribe to any licensed codecs if that were required. I believe AAC/AAC+ is not possible because of licensing issues on Apple's part. I may be wrong. R. ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Classical tagging - an idea...
I'll respond here to both yours and sepb's comments. JJZolx wrote: Databases like that are a bit of a chicken and egg problem. How do you expect to populate it? In order for it to be at all useful, you'll need to convince developers of tagging and/or ripping software to integrate with it. That's going to be a tall order without many thousands of CD entries just to start. Fair point, and one I'm thinking about. I'm not too worried at this stage. GENRE data is going to be interesting. I suspect that if you solicit data from the public, that it's going to be all over the board for any given work. I think this is why FreeDB often returns no GENRE, and very often no YEAR when ripping a disc. I agree - genre data is problematic. However, the user will be able to choose whether or not to use any supplied data, i.e. they will be able to ignore the Genre information. No CONDUCTOR field? See later... No fields for soloists? I would think distinguishing between BAND/ORCHESTRA/ENSEMBLE and individual performers would be valuable, instead of lumping them all into the ARTIST field. See later... You'll need an ARTISTSORT field. In fact, you need to have a sort field for any field that potentially contains a proper name, so a CONDUCTORSORT if you have a CONDUCTOR field. The key point I was trying to make (and failed, it would seem) is that the data will *not* be tied to the tags. I fully intend to have separate data for all contributors (BAND, ORCHESTRA, CONDUCTOR, etc. etc.) The user will then be able to choose how that data is written to their tags. So, they might choose to have separate ARTIST tags, or one, concatenated ARTIST tag. Using sebp's example: I'd prefer seeing something like conductor='Carlos Kleiber' and ensemble='Wiener Philharmoniker' in the database, and a way to ask the system to forge the ARTIST tag with these (say ARTIST='%ENSEMBLE%;%CONDUCTOR%', or maybe ARTIST='%CONDUCTORSORT%;%ENSEMBLE%' if you prefer). I envisage just this functionality. The DB will store conductor='Carlos Kleiber' and ensemble='Wiener Philharmoniker' and the user will be able to choose whether to store those tags in their files, or concatenated them in the ARTIST tag, or both. Another of sebp's comments: say some movement is lengthy, and for some reason it's been splitted on two or more tracks on one album, but left as one on another. It would not work. That's not going to happen in practise; if it does, it will be relatively uncommon. The reverse may happen (two or movements inside one track). That eventuality is relatively easy to deal with (e.g. concatenate both movement descriptions in the TITLE tag). R. ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Classical tagging - an idea...
Hi all, I've been tagging a whole load of classical music recently and couldn't help but feel that it could be a whole lot easier. I've got the initial rumblings of an idea for a classical music version of FreeDB and have done a bit of a braindump here: http://projects.robinbowes.com/classitag It's a wiki, and I *think* I've enabled public editing, so feel free to add any thoughts/ideas you might have and I'll see if I can get something knocked up. R. ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Better sound: Boom or SBR with Audioengine 2s?
StuartC wrote: So I'm interested in other opinions about the comparative sound of the Boom vs. SBR with powered speakers. Have I fooled myself with my unscientific listening test? Who cares?!! Use whatever you think sounds the best - anyone else's opinion is irrelevant. R. ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Angry about Tranporter + SqueezeCenter
funkstar wrote: tygar;339512 Wrote: Finally, I found a post suggesting a factory reset. It didn't tell how to do it that. Here is how. With your first hand, hold your Transporter. With your second hand, plug in the Transporter. With your third hand (apparently, this reprogramming system was not designed for mere two-handed humans to actually use) hold down the ADD button on the remote. Or you could just pull the power cable from the wall. The wall doesn't need to be held when you plug it back in. That's an engineering solution. This guy is a Computer Scientist - you can't expect him to think of that. :) R. ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] MusicIP - definitive install instructions for 7.1/7.2 (inc. headless)?
ModelCitizen wrote: My PC is not very state of the art at all. Heh, I still chuckle when I remember that machine you brought round to try and install linux on to run Slimserver. Wasn't it a P1 with 32MB of RAM, or some such? :) R. ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Come BBQ with the Squeezebox and Pandora crew
Paul Webster wrote: How about getting the Logitech folks in UK to team up with last.fm for a similar event. I'm sure that enough of us enthusiasts from south of England could do the demos if Logitech UK are not up to speed. *South* of England We're friendlier up here! R. ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] What output level on the SB3 is best?
Aguida wrote: I guess as most people I don't use the SB3 volume control but the one on my stereo amp. So the question is what is the best setting for the output volume of the SB3 with regard to distortion and S/N ratio? I usually have it on 95% but I got the doubt wheter I am too close to potential clipping distortion of the output. One important detail is that i use the analog output. I always turn mine up to 11. Sounds much better. R. ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Protecting library with NTFS permissions
amcluesent wrote: We'll I did say I was using RAID1 as TBH an exernal backup regime for 1.5Tb isn't really tractable... Sure it is. Here's a couple of ideas: 1. Copy everything to external drives - 4 x 500Gb external drives would only cost around £200; 1GB drives might be a bit more pricey. 2. Backup to tape - LTO3 is 400GB/tape; this options is more costly than using external hard drives. The NTFS permissions were set to prevent operator error trashing the library! You're probably better of making everything read-only, including files, and changing permissions explicitly when you want to change anything; I don't imagine you change your library all that often - I certainly don't. R. ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Duet review on Notebookreview
MrSinatra wrote: yeah, how DARE i have an opinion that doesn't require pom poms. what was i thinking? Straight in with the fan boy line of defence, I see. *yawn*. i stand by what i said, and if u don't like it or disagree, fine, but i find NOTHING exaggerated with what i said. You said, about SqueezeCenter: ...given its serious limitations, which are legion. You make it sound like the software is barely fit for purpose, which is not the case. SqueezeCenter has several known quirks/faults/bugs, call them what you will, but there is *no* way it can be described as having serious limitations. I've told you a million times, don't exaggerate. R. ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Duet review on Notebookreview
MrSinatra wrote: don't ignore the context of what i said... Ok, here's what you said, in its entirety: again, i respect SC and i'm not saying it should be thrown overboard, but why force it to be the only solution? You then follow that up with: i was talking about what slim does, and they choose to ONLY develop SC and nothing else. thats the reality. Hmmm, so are SD choosing to develop only SC, or are they forcing it to be the solution? the big picture is no other software works with the hardware, and another server isn't the solution to address the issues. So, do we need another server or not? Should SC be the only solution, or not? You appear to be contradicting yourself. R. (wonders why he bothers getting involved...) ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Improvements in Duet?
ianstuart wrote: I have been having connection problems with my two Duets for the last several months. Support now blames the Netgear Range Extender that I bought to permit the receivers to work more than 15 feet from the router. Odd that my old SB3 works perfectly with the Range Extender and has double the range of the receivers as well. Shame about the Squeezebox, it really doesn't seem ready for prime time, and to add insult to injury it is WORSE than the SB3 that it was meant to replace. Funny, I've got three Duets, and they all work just fine. R. ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Duet review on Notebookreview
MrSinatra wrote: i am suggesting that developing SC as the only pgm possible to power the hardware isn't the best soluton, given its serious limitations, which are legion. Mr. Sinatra, you're talking bollocks again. SC has its flaws, yes, but from the way you talk anyone would think it's practically unusable. Please learn what the word hyperbole means, and try to not use it so much. again, i respect SC and i'm not saying it should be thrown overboard, but why force it to be the only solution? As others have already replied, no-one is forcing anything. R. ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Duet Receiver Break Up with 85% signal !
tonythetiger wrote: Thanks all for the replies. I have changed to FLAC but not sure if it's helped. The TX rate has dropped to 2Mb some times, and has been 0 before too. I wasn't sure if that was SqueezeCenter not pumping out the tracks or if that was just bad network. Anyways, it seems like I either need a new router, or homeplugs, or cat 5e. For all the hassle I might well go 5e - at least I KNOW it will work. Am I just unlucky - how on earth has the DUET been so well reviewed ? I guess you're just unlucky - I've never had any unusual wireless problems with any of my SB1, SB2, SB3, SBR, or Transporter. R. ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Questions re: bridging with SBR
NathanielK wrote: I find it very hard to believe that all of these different sources would mention the bridging feature yet not a single one acknowledges the fact that it is unsupported in the interface or documentation for the product. Nathaniel, From what I can gather, bridging is supported with out using Net-UDAP. You simply: 1. set up SBR wirelessly 2. plug device to be networked into SNR RJ45 port However, it seems that if SBR detects a wired network connection when it starts it will attempt to connect using it. Note: I've not tested any of this, it's just what I have gleaned from reading others' experiences on the forums. R. ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Questions re: bridging with SBR
NathanielK wrote: Low and behold, when I ran the shell, if worked exactly like the short instructions in the post by jrfuda; even discovering and configuring over my wireless network. Glad it's working. It sounds like this was a network issue, and the scripts are not entirely bulletproof, i.e. they assume certain operations won't fail, e.g the network calls. I ought to add additional checks. R. ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Questions re: bridging with SBR
NathanielK wrote: in the shell window, I can execute the help and list commands, but when I try discover I get a huge amount of text. I copied it to notepad and it seems to be this, repeated over and over: Use of uninitialized value $rawstr in length at C:/UDAP_Thing/scripts/../src/Net -UDAP/lib/Net/UDAP/Util.pm line 57. Use of uninitialized value $rawstr in length at C:/UDAP_Thing/scripts/../src/Net -UDAP/lib/Net/UDAP/Util.pm line 67. Supplied string has length0(expected length: 6) at C:/UDAP_Thing/scripts/../src/ Net-UDAP/lib/Net/UDAP.pm line 296 Use of uninitialized value $mac in concatenation (.) or string at C:/UDAP_Thing/ scripts/../src/Net-UDAP/lib/Net/UDAP.pm line 297. info: adv_discovery response received from Use of uninitialized value $rawstr in length at C:/UDAP_Thing/scripts/../src/Net -UDAP/lib/Net/UDAP/Util.pm line 57. Use of uninitialized value $rawstr in length at C:/UDAP_Thing/scripts/../src/Net -UDAP/lib/Net/UDAP/Util.pm line 67. Supplied string has length0(expected length: 6) at C:/UDAP_Thing/scripts/../src/ Net-UDAP/lib/Net/UDAP.pm line 358 mac not found in msg at C:/UDAP_Thing/scripts/../src/Net-UDAP/lib/Net/UDAP/Shell .pm line 156 I tried with the red light blinking on the SBR, and I also tried setting up the SBR from the SBC and then plugging the SBR into my router directly. I assume I'm missing some compile step or something? Nope, you're doing everything right, as far as I can tell. I'm not sure what's going on there. The code works fine with perl 5.10. Can you modify line 38 of Log.pm to: level = 'debug', and re-run the discover? Please create a ticket at http://projects.robinbowes.com/Net-UDAP/trac and paste the output. You'll need to register first. Please include details of what platform you're running on, your network topology, and configuration. Thanks, R. ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Filing Bugs - Any Point?
rbz5416 wrote: Brown nosers need not post telling me it works for them - I'm not interested. I AM interested in why this bug report appears to be being completely ignored. Displaying attitude like that will not help your cause. Bugs are prioritised and dealt with accordingly. I do not work for SD and cannot speak authoritatively for them, but it is likely that this is a low priority issue (doesn't affect many people; component affected is non-core, i.e. not hardware). Did you try a later build - 7.0.2 or even the latest from 7.1 branch? R. ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Filing Bugs - Any Point?
rbz5416 wrote: Patrick Dixon;308499 Wrote: You can of course buy more SB3s as they are not dependent on SC7. Not a chance. If Logitech aren't committed to the product line, why should I be? So, you have a relatively obscure issue that probably doesn't affect many users and which is therefore likely a low priority to SD and, because it's not getting the attention *you* feel it should have you extrapolate from that that Logitech aren't committed to the product line? Ha ha haha . rbz5416 wrote: Robin Bowes Wrote: Displaying attitude like that will not help your cause It's an unfortunate fact of forum life that the fanboys will dismiss reports of bugs on the basis that it works for me so it must be your fault. If you're not one of them then no need for you to take offence. ;) Mmm, nope, the smiley doesn't help. I find your attitide offensive. I'm not a fanboy, just a happy user + contributor. Robin Bowes Wrote: Did you try a later build - 7.0.2 or even the latest from 7.1 branch?Having confirmed that the bug exists, I don't really feel inclined to continually try new builds on the off chance that it might be fixed. Besides, as I've already said, given the apparent level of other significant bugs in Squeezcenter, I have no intention of installing it again. Ah, I see. Well, you'd better just sit tight and hope someone fixes it for you. Or perhaps you could try stamping your feet a bit more - it won't get things fixed any quicker, but it might make you feel better. R. ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Filing Bugs - Any Point?
rbz5416 wrote: Zzz Unsubscribes. By! R. ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] faulty transporter anyone?
bad.wolf wrote: Anyone else had similar experiences? Yeah, some guy posted in the audiophile forum with exactly the same issues. :| R. ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Questions re: bridging with SBR
Peter wrote: Robin Bowes wrote: Even when configured, the UDAP protocol is UDP-based so the UDAP source (PC) and UDAP destination (SBR) have to be on the same network segment. There's no causality in that. UDP works fine over the Internet. You probably mean it's broadcast based which does pretty much limit it to a network segment. Yes, that's exactly what I meant. R. ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Questions re: bridging with SBR
mflint wrote: (For some reason, Net-UDAP couldn't discover the SBR unless it was hard-wired to my router) I wrote the tool specifically to configure a factory-supplied (i.e. no config) SBR from a PC without requiring a SBC. Until the SBR is configured, it cannot connect to any wireless network (the SBC sets up an AdHoc wireless network to connect wirelessly to the SBR) so you won't be able to connect to it wirelessly from a PC. Even when configured, the UDAP protocol is UDP-based so the UDAP source (PC) and UDAP destination (SBR) have to be on the same network segment. It is possible that it might work across a wireless network, i.e. PC + SBR connected to the same wireless network, but I've not tested that and don't intend to. When I get round to releasing it officially, I will write some instructions which will begin something like: Plug SBR into same switch/router as PC (rest of instructions) R. ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Sharing a server
jaffacake wrote: Thanks to all for the responses. A few more ideas... One way to do this would be to run multiple instances of SC. If you want to run these on the same box, you would need to use different IPs for each instance. You'd probably also want to use a system-installed MySQL instance (rather than the one that comes with SC) with a separate database for each SC instance. Alternatively, you could run SC on separate machines with the libraries mounted remotely. R. ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] The Guardian reviews Sonos
jaffacake wrote: I have absolutely no desire to waste my time defending myself against false accusation and speculation. Robin Bowes, and others, are attacking me with untruths and guesswork. This is damaging to my reputation yet you choose to allow it to remain within your forums. I can only assume that it may be commercially advantageous to yourself to allow the name of one who posts a negative review of your product to be tarnished in such an incorrect and unnecessary manner. Ben, Please demonstrate exactly what I have said that is false, untrue, or incorrect and I will gladly retract and apologise. R. ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] The Guardian reviews Sonos
jaffacake wrote: The review is fairly flawed in several areas, but not entirely surprising given the limited research the author often does for his articles. snip Ahem, unlike your totally fair and thoroughly researched cnet reviews, eh Ben? More FUD from the Sonos fanboy. R. ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] The Guardian reviews Sonos
jaffacake wrote: Robin Bowes;287134 Wrote: Ahem, unlike your totally fair and thoroughly researched cnet reviews, eh Ben? More FUD from the Sonos fanboy. R. Very much unlike. At least everything in my review was accurate and factual. Did you write that review [1] based on having actually got your hands on a Duet? The whole thing is FUD. Would you like to tell us about your involvement with the Sonos user forums, how you were a moderator, but were removed when you tried to throw your weight around? By all means give us a fair and objective account of the Sonos gear, but don't come the I'm a neutral reviewer crap. R. [1] http://reviews.cnet.com/digital-media-receivers/logitech-squeezebox-duet/4864-6739_7-32815168.html?messageID=2563491 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] How do you use your Squeezbox/Receiver/Transporter
Khuli wrote: MuckleEck;286440 Wrote: I see no point in syncing the bedroom SB Depends what sort of parties you have ;) Nah, you'd want different music in the bedroom - Barry White, for example ;) Personally, I've found that Bill Wither's Greatest Hits never fails :) R. ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] 64 bit Slimslimer
badbob wrote: How come a 64 bit version wasen't been released? Because you don't need a 64-bit version. It would just be bigger. R. ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Grave doubts about Logitech 'support
One (important) point that no-one has yet pointed out is that I don't believe that Mandriva is an officially supported platform. Although, on looking this up in the FAQ, it only says: Squeezebox, Transporter and SlimServer are officially supported under: * Windows NT/2000/XP, * Linux * Mac OS X 10.3 and above Can this be clarified? Is Squeezecenter really supported on *all* linux platofmrs? R. ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] New Wiki categories
JimC wrote: As you may have seen from my earlier post, we're going to be migrating from kwiki to mediawiki. I'm currently going through some housekeeping in preparation for the Great Re-editing that will start later this week and I wanted to float a question to the community: Should we change the categories at that top level of the wiki? Currently, we have these categories: General * Beginners Guide * Index of all the pages Software: * SqueezeCenter * Third-Party SlimServer Plugins * SoftSqueeze * SqueezeOS SqueezePlay (formerly known as Jive) - NEW Services: * SqueezeNetwork Hardware: (overview) * Squeezebox Duet * Squeezebox Controller * Squeezebox Receiver * Transporter * Squeezebox v3 * Squeezebox2 * Squeezebox * SLIMP3 I'm a big believer in the idea of if it ain't broke, don't fix it, but I'm not sure these categories address the needs of our users as well as they should. That's just my opinion, though, so I'd like to use this as an opportunity to solicit YOUR opinions on how we should categorize the new wiki. Thanks in advance for your feedback! The categories are very Slim Devices-centric, i.e. they're OK if you know your way around. It might be an idea to make it a little more friendly to new visitors. R. ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Low footprint integrated headless player required
ModelCitizen wrote: Hello, In my quest for true whole-house audio it's struck me that I need a Windows-based low footprint player, integrated with SlimCenter, that does not show on my PC (is this headless?). I only need to control it via the SlimCenter web interface and the jive controller. Er, colour me stupid but, it sounds to me like you need another Squeezebox! R. ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Why is SlimServer so slow?
DanielTheGreat wrote: [lots of stuff about a poorly Windows box] IMHO you should do a clean re-install of your Windows box. R. ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Thanks Slim Devices / Logitech!
seanadams wrote: http://web.archive.org/web/20021112224742/images.slimdevices.com/photos/assembly/sean.jpeg ... but I have since been replaced by a big machine for this. Assimilated, even. ;) R. ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Anyone noticed the Apple TV has no volume control?
smc2911 wrote: I would conclude from the discussion here that I'm not really suffering in any way by doing this (other than missing out on a bit of volume of course :)) Can you hear any deficiency? If not, you're not missing out on anything. Actually, you're not anyway but, even if you were, if you can't hear it then you're actually not. :) R. ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Does Logitech Streaming Systems know the meaning of Customer Service?
haunyack wrote: Just a stupid story about a stupid mistake that could be made by any stupid induvidual or company. You're the guy who posted the drunken rant about how you lost all your music at a party using beta software, aren't you? Bit of a pattern developing here, isn't there? R. ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Anyone noticed the Apple TV has no volume control?
egd wrote: willyhoops;278251 Wrote: Powered speakers... the downmarket things you plug into your computer which don't have a remote volume becuase you adjust it on the computer. ROFLMAO...do you have any idea what you're ranting about? Heh, that is quite clearly a rhetorical question, as the answer is rather obvious! R. ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Anyone noticed the Apple TV has no volume control?
willyhoops wrote: ok maybe i am wrong on the exact details Heh, you can say that again, without the maybe, and perhaps adding a completely. but smc2911 i will try and calculate just how bad the quality of your squeezebox playback has been the last few years. using: http://www.gcaudio.com/resources/howtos/voltageloudness.html To get a doubling of loudness, it is important to note that an increase of 10dB is necessary. And to reproduce that volume through our loudspeakers, note that we require ten times more power from the amplifier, which is voltage increase of 3.16 times. If your stereo volume is set to a point where at squeezebox music keeps the party ticking... now if in normal listening it is say half as loud... I'm sorry, but what has that got to do with anything? then i think you are going to drop from 16 bit resolution to one third of that. but anyone can correct me if they like... its not really my area Actually, the Squeezebox uses 24-bit processing. So you can drop 8 bits without losing any resolution. either way at least i now have one LOGITECH PLEASE GET RID OF THE VOLUME BUTTON - YOU MESSED ME UP FOR YEARS AND I DIDN'T EVENT KNOW IT UNTIL NOW Oh dear oh dear. You seem to be rather confused about this issue. Let's put aside the fact that you can just set the Squeezebox to maximum volume to get the same effect as a fixed output (really, you can, the volume control is done digitally, the analogue out is fixed). Just how exactly do you think Logitech has messed you up for years? R. ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Does Logitech Streaming Systems know the meaning of Customer Service?
The point is, he would have got an immediate response if he had called on the phone instead of ranting on here. His order shipped the day after he placed it but he did not receive the confirmation email(s) because of a problem with the email address. I use email heavily, and most of the time it's just fine. But if I'm not getting a response from someone I'll pick up the phone. email cannot be relied on, even in this day and age. R. ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Anyone noticed the Apple TV has no volume control?
willyhoops wrote: gee you are not reading it... not me they messed up. Er, I am reading it. I'm obviously not understanding you very well. are you understanding what i am saying... if 6v is the max level that when it comes out of his hifi makes a party kick... then one third of that will be the level for normal listening... imagine the line in had an analogue to digital convertor on it... then one third of the resolution would be lost. CD audio is (generally) 16-bit. The Squeezebox uses 24-bit processing. This is means that the volume can be reduced by a whole 8 bits without losing any resolution. Here's an example using 4-bits / 8 bits: Original 4-bit audio: Processed as 8-bit audio: Half the volume : 0000 Half the volume : 0000 Half the volume : 0000 Half the volume : Notice, we've now reduced the volume significantly and have still not lost any resolution. ok it does not have a a a/d... instead it uses analouge gain... but the noise and resolution must come into it... No, it uses digital gain. The analogue gain is fixed (for best S/N ratio). I'll say it again - if you want fixed (maximum) output from the SB just turn up the volume to full and forget about it. You are not losing anything. Let's look at your example another way: are you understanding what i am saying... if 6v is the max level that when it comes out of his hifi makes a party kick... then one third of that will be the level for normal listening... imagine the line in had an analogue to digital convertor on it... then one third of the resolution would be lost. So, imagine your SB output is set to maximum, and your amplifier volume control is set to whatever level required to make a party kick. For normal listening (one third of that) simply turn the amplifier volume down. Easy. R. ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Why is SlimServer so slow?
DanielTheGreat wrote: My music server is a 3GHz P4 Win2k PC with 2GB RAM and heaps of HDD space free. That should be more than enough power to run SC. If I reboot the PC it is several minutes (with much disc-thrashing) before I can play anything from SlimServer. Why is this? That doesn't sound right. A few questions... Are you running anything else on the server? Are you running any spyware/AV software? How are you starting SC? What happens if you disable SC and restart the server - does it still thrash the disk? R. ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Duet can't connect to SB
mowensmd wrote: Guess the community can't help much. Good luck Slim, you have a great form factor here but the connectivity is in the dumpster. Maybe the wifi here (congested condo area) is the issue, but it doesn't affect any of 3 other laptops/tablets. I've gotten connection to my music, unreliably (couldn't play one song) at total of one time. I must have changed firewall, network settings, security, factory resets, power cycled and otherwise futzed until I'm truly blue in the face. Netremote had better connectivity frankly. Maybe I don't understand the intricacies of WiFi enough, but if this is what it takes I don't have the time too... Sorry you've had a bad experience, but this all works just fine for *most* Squeezebox users. There's obviously some issue affecting your setup - possibly even a bad SBC/SBr. Did you speak to support about this? R. ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] I'm only half joking.........
miked wrote: Doesn't the US-centric spelling just make it sound more exotic elsewhere? I notice that many places here in the states say theatre when they're trying to sound more upscale and/or Euro, so I always presumed that spelling it the US way in Europe would have the same connotation . . . Actually, it has quite the opposite effect. :) R. ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Duet reviews posted at pcmag and cnet
Siduhe wrote: This is getting a bit silly - most of the people who posted on the Sonos forums in response to Robin were more than reasonable, but I guess some people just can't help themselves. I doubt Ro53ben/Jaffacake are representative of the wider Sonos community. http://forums.sonos.com/showthread.php?t=9202page=3 I had a really good chat over IM with majik (one of the moderators on the forum). We both agreed that some people get silly about this sort of thing. It was very refreshing. R. ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Duet reviews posted at pcmag and cnet
ModelCitizen wrote: He's got to be a Sonos stooge. It's his one and only post to cnet. What is annoying is that you cannot leave a comment on the biased and factually incorrect review. It does show that Sonos are quite worried though... which indeed they should be. I've joined the Sonos forum and started posting :) R. ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Announcing the Squeezebox Duet
Marc Sherman wrote: mvalera wrote: Please see my announcement at the top of each forum for details on the delay. I'll post the manual as soon as I get a final one. Hey, Mike, please remember that some of us read this as a mailing list. Forum announcements don't get gated to the mailing list. Posting a standard thread message and marking it sticky and locked would work much better. +1 There's an Announce list - why not use it? R. ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Announcing the Squeezebox Duet
brant wrote: Anybody got one yet? Can't wait... :) I've got three :p R. ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Date Added?
verdemar wrote: Wouldn't it be more correct to use the created timestamp to select new music? I find it kind of irritating that the new music list is full of music that I recently retagged, but that has been in my library for ages. So, don't modify the timestamp when you update the tags. R. ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Can I do this with the new Duet?
AlexV wrote: Hello, Just a quick questions regarding the new Duet. - I'm NOT an album type of guy... I don't sort my files by album... Can I still use the Duet ? Because, on the CES video, the browsing seemed to be album-based... What if I want to sort my files by genre only ? Possible ? You can browse by genre. Also, I don't need the album art option... Can I simply skip it ? Not sure what you mean by skip it, but you can turn off album art display in the web interface. Not sure about on the SBC. - Is there a 'Play next' option on the remote ? So I can schedule a song to be played after the current track ends ? This is possible from the web interface, but I'm not sure about the SBC. - Does the crossfade option work well with FLAC files ? Define well. It certainly works as far as I can tell. R. ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Date Added?
verdemar wrote: Yes, the problem is that my tagging software won't allow it (and they will not implement it as it is incorrect behaviour). Which is true, I guess. I'm using MusicBrainz Picard. It's not incorrect behaviour. It's not correct behaviour either. It is down to the user to choose. Some people might want to leave the timestamp, others may not. I suggest that MusicBrainz are being rather dogmatic in insisting that you can't have the choice. R. ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Squeezebox €169 = bargain?
meep wrote: Hi Browsing my local PC superstore this week I see they have Squeezebox for €169 - down from €299 a few weeks ago (I think). This is surely a bargain, right? Now, I'm wondering, are they just clearing local stock or is there a new version coming out and would I be better holding off? There is a new product on the verge of being released: the Duet, consisting of the Squeezebox Receiver and the Squeezebox Controller. However, this does *not* replace the Squeezebox Classic as I believe it is now known. The seems like a bargain price. R. ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Multiple artwork for one album - possible??
JJZolx wrote: It was a good question. How do you so painstakingly test software for months and months on end and not bother to look at the documentation? Or does everyone just naturally accept that good documentation is a distant, secondary concern and that corrections will come whenever it's convenient? It's not your content that's the problem, it's your delivery. R. ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Duet ETA?
johndpar wrote: I just hope that M$ is not the cause of the murky water. I'm sorry but I (like many) will not purchase Duet if M$ eats Logitech/SD Hopes now turned to fears. Old news now turned to wild rumour-mongering, I feel. R. ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Best place (UK) to sell QNAP NAS?
gcogger wrote: Hi, I'm not sure if we're allowed to sell items on this forum? If not, can anyone suggest a good place (e.g. a forum) to sell my QNAP TS-109 NAS drive in the UK? eBay? R. ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Multiple artwork for one album - possible??
JJZolx wrote: bulletmark;271394 Wrote: Yes, but still poorly edited. A 20 second look of that single page shows there still 3 references to artwork thumb files which should be deleted. And really, am I the one who should be reviewing this? Is this representative of QA there at Logitech corporation? Good question. Jim, I find your ceaseless cynicism and snide comments rather offensive. Please be nice. R. ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Announcing the Squeezebox Duet
JimC wrote: Robin's plug-in, which requires SqueezeCenter and a wired connection to the Squeezebox Receiver, would allow a user to configure a Squeezebox Receiver without the controller. Perhaps now is as good a time as any to release a little more information about what I'm working on... I am writing a perl module that can be used to configure one or more SBRs. This requires a wired connection to the SBR and (obviously!) perl. There will be a CLI which can be used to do the configuration outside of SC. Separate to this, there will be a SC plugin that uses the module to do SBR configuration from the web interface. I hope to have a beta-release available within the next week or two. R. ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Announcing the Squeezebox Duet
Peter wrote: Some people have no trust in this community. Is your plugin going to include setting up a wireless WPA key so that we can configure an SBR over ethernet and then continue using it over Wifi? I trust it will, but perhaps you'd better confirm that to the doubtful part of the community ;) My plugin will require a wired connection to the SBR for configuration. It will allow wireless to be setup so the SBR can be used wirelessly after configuration. Hope that clarifies things. R. ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Announcing the Squeezebox Duet
mvalera wrote: djfake;268947 Wrote: Mike - when Robin does get this plugin written, I hope Logitech does something very nice for him. I'll buy one, that's for sure. Also, why doesn't the old remote for the Squeezebox not work with the SBR? We're very familiar with Robin. He's one of our best community guys. Well, I'm flattered, but I'm sure all the other community guys would have something to say about that. R. ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Announcing the Squeezebox Duet
djfake wrote: mvalera;268629 Wrote: Robin's developing a plug-in to solve that. The SB Receiver will get an IP address thru DHCP automatically on the Ethernet port (didn't know that till today) so his plug-in will be able to find and configure the receivers without too much trouble. The hard part for Robin is in environments where DHCP isn't used. Robin - Will this plugin will be part of the Slimserver software? Or firmware on the SBR? The current situation is that it will be an unsupported (by Logitech), 3rd party plugin. R. ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Can we avoid inflamatory titles?
JimC wrote: This thread has been closed by a moderator for one of the following reasons: * Profanity: This post contains expletives or vulgar language. Please post in more friendly manner. * Personal attack: Insults or rude ad hominem arguments directed at another member are not permitted. * Troll / Flamebait: This post is worded in such a way as to evoke an emotional response, rather than to start a constructive dialogue. * Inappropriate subject: Please choose a non-inflammatory subject line which actually describes the subject matter of the thread. * Illegal content: This thread contains legally prohibited or copyrighted material. Please do your part to keep these forums on-topic, friendly, and helpful to all members. Thanks Jim. Ooops, did I just post to a closed thread? ;) R. ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Announcing the Squeezebox Duet
Peter wrote: rene50 wrote: hallo mooi nederlands,ja ik heb veel mp3's op de pc staan of op de apple imac. ik heb een goede geluidskaart,maar ik vraag mij af of dat nodig is ,maar dat is misschien een domme opmerking. IK HEB EEN FOCAL ICUB SET DIE ZEER GESCHIKT IS OM TE VERBINDEN MET wi-fi apparatuur. k. De SB3 of de SBR (Receiver) zijn eigenlijk bedoeld om op je hifi installatie aan te sluiten. de verbinding met de PC (waarom je muziek staat en waarop slimserver draait) is over wifi of over ethernet (maar de meeste mensen hebben dat laatste niet in huis). k. Double Dutch!!! :) R. ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
