Re: [slim] Android / Apple devices as a player
pippin;561762 Wrote: As I said before, for iPhone this would definitely be a license violation, I believe for Android, too. How, exactly? Is Ralphy's work in violation somehow? The FLAC or MP3 libraries? Something else? Just wondering, as I'd given a bit of thought to porting ss2 to Android. Or is the violation in the way it's distributed? It would appear to be an additional player(possibly with a special MAC) that could be distributed separately, any improvements shared back with Ralphy, etc. Thanks! -- bobkoure bobkoure's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14646 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=80405 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Android / Apple devices as a player
It's not so much a question of want. GPL requires that all derived works are also published under GPL. this would include all the code you write in your port plus probably all statically linked libraries. It also requires you to publish all source code with your distribution and this in turn would mean that Apple would have to make sure all of this is available. However, I'm not 100% sure the original issues that lead to this app pull above still apply. Originally the SDK was under NDA which prohibited publishing any source code using it. This was lifted almost two years ago so if you make sure all your code is GPLed and you also make sure all source code is being delivered as part of the App you MIGHT be able to have a GPL app on the App Store. All of this generally applies to Android and the Marketplace in the same way plus the Android Marketplace has an even more restrictive license agreement IMHO. But then you don't have to use it, of course. -- pippin --- see iPeng, the Squeezebox iPhone remote, at penguinlovesmusic.com pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=80405 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Android / Apple devices as a player
Sorry, wanted to post the following link as well yesterday: http://www.fsf.org/blogs/licensing/more-about-the-app-store-gpl-enforcement Its an explanation of the Free Software Foundation, why Apple App Store terms don't comply with GPL. -- bluegaspode 1x SB-Controller+Receiver (Duet), 1xSB-Boom. 1xSB-Radio Server (7.5.1) running on SheevaPlug (Ubuntu) with attached Western Digital MyBook Essential. Want to see a Weather Forecast on your Radio/Touch/Controller ? = why not try my 'Weather Forecast Applet' (http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=73827) Want to use the Headphones with your Controller ? = why not try my 'Headphone Switcher Applet' (http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=67139) bluegaspode's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=31651 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=80405 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Android / Apple devices as a player
If I was going to add play functionality to one of those devices, I'd think about porting ' Ralphy's Squeezeslave2' (http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=54124highlight=squeezeslave2). There's already a Linux version (actually, AFAIK, it started out in Linux), which might be a leg up for Android. Not that it would be anything like trivial. Once you have it ported, you can just control it as though it were just another SB player - so you can keep Ralphy's open source work open and make your own choices about your own code. Moose (again, AFAIK) does it this way. -- bobkoure bobkoure's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14646 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=80405 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Android / Apple devices as a player
Its easier just to buy SqueezeMobile from the Apple App store as far as I am concerned until Apple or Logitech decides to release a product/app. Works in the house, on the road, and at the beach and cabin. -- iPhone *iPhone* Media Room: Transporter, VTL TL-6.5 Signature Pre-Amp, Ayre MX-R Mono's, VeraStarr 6.4SE 6-channel Amp, Vandersteen Speakers: Quatro Mains, VCC-5 Reference Center, four VSM-1 Signatures, Video: Runco RS 900 CineWide AutoScope 2.35:1 Living Room: Duet, ADCOM GTP-870HD, Cinepro 3K6SE III Gold, Vandersteen Model 3A Signature, Two 2Wq subs, VCC-2, Two VSM-1 Kitchen: Squeezebox BOOM Bedroom: Second Boom Bathroom: Squeezebox Radio Ford Thunderbird: Duet, Mac Mini Ford Expedition: SB Touch, USB drive iPhone's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13622 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=80405 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Android / Apple devices as a player
once there was this case with Gnu Go - the first GPL App on the iPhone which really fast got removed by Apple once they found out. http://www.fsf.org/news/2010-05-app-store-compliance -- bluegaspode 1x SB-Controller+Receiver (Duet), 1xSB-Boom. 1xSB-Radio Server (7.5.1) running on SheevaPlug (Ubuntu) with attached Western Digital MyBook Essential. Want to see a Weather Forecast on your Radio/Touch/Controller ? = why not try my 'Weather Forecast Applet' (http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=73827) Want to use the Headphones with your Controller ? = why not try my 'Headphone Switcher Applet' (http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=67139) bluegaspode's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=31651 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=80405 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Android / Apple devices as a player
bluegaspode;561771 Wrote: once there was this case with Gnu Go - the first GPL App on the iPhone which really fast got removed by Apple once they found out. http://www.fsf.org/news/2010-05-app-store-compliance Well, I believe from APPLE's point of view the main issue is that THEY as the distributor will be violating the GPL. The reall issue is with the dogmatic nature of GPL here. -- pippin --- see iPeng, the Squeezebox iPhone remote, at penguinlovesmusic.com pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=80405 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Android / Apple devices as a player
Without wishing to detract in the slightest from the great work achieved already by, amongst others, flattermann on Android and pippin on Apple devices, top of the list of requests is always (understandably) to introduce functionality to allow the device to act as a player. This post certainly isn't intended to niggle again and demand instant releases to turn our phones into Squeezeboxes overnight. These guys are already under enough pressure from a justly grateful customer base. I do genuinely wonder though why it's not been done yet by any of the Apple or Android developers (not just pippin or flattermann), given that it must be the number one feature being requested and would without doubt make an offering stand above its competitors. Is there something specific which makes it difficult to implement, or is it simply (and quite understandably if so) a big job and therefore not undertaken lightly? -- hunta hunta's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=333 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=80405 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Android / Apple devices as a player
hunta;561449 Wrote: I do genuinely wonder though why it's not been done yet by any of the Apple or Android developers (not just pippin or flattermann), given that it must be the number one feature being requested and would without doubt make an offering stand above its competitors. Is there something specific which makes it difficult to implement, or is it simply (and quite understandably if so) a big job and therefore not undertaken lightly? It's a big job if you want to do it right and there are a licensing issues standing in the way of doing the simple solutions (porting SqueezeSlave or SoftSqueeze). However, there are two players out there for iPhone and I hope that with iOS4 and Multitasking it will be possible to use them in the background with iPeng (they lack a bit on the UI side). I use SqueezeCast right now and it works quite well. -- pippin --- see iPeng, the Squeezebox iPhone remote, at penguinlovesmusic.com pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=80405 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
