Re: [slim] Moving away from LMS ?
Go to the Muso forum and post your question there. The author is normally quick to answer. Sent from my SM-G935F using Tapatalk QNAP TS-453Mini 4x3TB RAID5 QTS 4.2.2 LMS 7.9.0 running in Docker Madsonic 6.2 running in Docker Plex running in Docker QNAP HS-251 2x2TB RAID0, QTS 4.2.2 Kodi 16.1 Jarvis QNAP TS-119 1TB Single, QTS 4.2.2 Retired oyvindo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=19302 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107002 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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oyvindo wrote: > @Mushroom-3 > That is not my experience with Muso. And I use it all the time. My Music > folder structure is updated real time and when I do a partial or full > scan with Muso, it always picks up the latest modifications. I never > have to delete the whole DB. I must be doing something wrong. I have just altered a track tag in my library , rescanned it with LMS (which shows the change) then done a "full import from LMS" in Muso and the change does not show up. Mushroom_3's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13434 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107002 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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On that topic, I want to thank Logitech for continuing their support for the backends. I think they have gone way beyond what is required. I know we all hated when they discontinued the Squeezebox line. But I'm amazed online services are still provided. Is it Logitech, or is it through personal dedication of some people? Personal dedication can help the process. But the money needed to keep things running still comes from Logitech. And yes, I'm surprised myself how long they've kept me^h^h the infrastructure up. Perhaps as a community we could show them they could turn this into a profitable commercial effort. Ask the ickStream guys about how easy it is to make something like that profitable. I don't know how they're doing. But I bet the answer is "not easy" at best. -- Michael ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Paul Dorn wrote: > For those of you who only care about local music, the Squeezebox devices > should continue to work. But I suspect those of us making a lot of use > of services such as Pandora would find their Squeezebox devices far less > useful than they are today. You're right, of course. I occasionally use Tidal but LMS mostly serves up my 100k+ tracks and Internet radio. I tend to selfishly forget that other people have different needs. Having said that, it seems like there are respected alternatives for those who use the services but still nothing with the amazing cost/value ratio as LMS for local libraries. Paul Dorn wrote: > On that topic, I want to thank Logitech for continuing their support for > the backends. I think they have gone way beyond what is required. I > know we all hated when they discontinued the Squeezebox line. But I'm > amazed online services are still provided. Seconded! atrocity's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16009 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107002 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Wow - heaps of really helpful info, thanks to all. I think my way forward will be to expand the capabilities of the RPI / picoreplayer and use with an attached drive ( I have a 3.5" 1tb drive I can try out). Then learn about samba. That will then leave me to save up for a new iMac ( just love the high res screen). As soon as I can crawl about on floors to sort out cabling etc ( managed to smash my left femur three weeks back so on crutches for quite a few weeks) I will get started. Thanks again liffy99's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7832 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107002 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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@Mushroom-3 That is not my experience with Muso. And I use it all the time. My Music folder structure is updated real time and when I di a pratial or full scan with Muso, it always picks up the last modifications. I never have to delete the whole DB. QNAP TS-453Mini 4x3TB RAID5 QTS 4.2.2 LMS 7.9.0 running in Docker Madsonic 6.2 running in Docker Plex running in Docker QNAP HS-251 2x2TB RAID0, QTS 4.2.2 Kodi 16.1 Jarvis QNAP TS-119 1TB Single, QTS 4.2.2 Retired oyvindo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=19302 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107002 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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The problem I have with Muso is that although the developer continus to add bits and pieces to it, he has never addressed the problem of updating the database via your LMS library. If you make any changes to tags,album art or delete albums a re scan doesn't pick it up. You are then left with deleting the complete database and starting again, so negating any tags/ratings you have made. Mushroom_3's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13434 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107002 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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kidstypike wrote: > It's not free. Ooops, sorry - I stand corrected :eek: QNAP TS-453Mini 4x3TB RAID5 QTS 4.2.2 LMS 7.9.0 running in Docker Madsonic 6.2 running in Docker Plex running in Docker QNAP HS-251 2x2TB RAID0, QTS 4.2.2 Kodi 16.1 Jarvis QNAP TS-119 1TB Single, QTS 4.2.2 Retired oyvindo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=19302 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107002 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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oyvindo wrote: > If the old fashion GUI of LMS is among your main concerns, then check > out 'MUSO' (http://klarita.net/muso.html). It is a very user friendly > and modern GUI that integrates seamless with LMS. In my opinion much > better than Roon - and it's free! It's not free. Annual single-seat licence : 7 EUROS (restricted to one year's use on a single computer) Full multi-seat licence : 20 EUROS (unrestricted by date, multiple licence keys can be issued for several computers owned by the purchaser). NB. This is intended for home use only - if required for an office or corporation annual licences must be purchased for each computer. LMS 7.9 on a Raspberry Pi 3/piCorePlayer 3.10, playlists and LMS cache on a USB stick, 25K+ music library on a WD MyCloud network drive, Rasberry Pi 2 > piCorePlayer 3.02 > HiFiBerry DIGI+ > AudioEngine DAC1 > AVI DM5 Raspberry Pi 3/piCorePlayer 3.10/HiFiBerry DAC+ > Cambridge Audio Minx 5 (study) 1 x Boom (dining room) - 1 x Radio (garage) - 1 x Touch (display and controller only) - 1 x SB3 (spare) kidstypike's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10436 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107002 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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liffy99 wrote: > 1) Do nothing. Continue to run LMS via Vortexbox over wifi to my > Raspberry Pi> > Pros - no cost, all working at the moment > Cons - my VBA and IMac are now 4- 7 years old so will need updating at > some point. LMS GUI is no longer that attractive. Not sure if / how well > this set up might handle movies (and then I'd probably need a blu ray > drive anyway). USB is 2.0 only. If the old fashion GUI of LMS is among your main concerns, then check out 'MUSO' (http://klarita.net/muso.html). It is a very user friendly and modern GUI that integrates seamless with LMS. In my opinion much better than Roon - and it's free! QNAP TS-453Mini 4x3TB RAID5 QTS 4.2.2 LMS 7.9.0 running in Docker Madsonic 6.2 running in Docker Plex running in Docker QNAP HS-251 2x2TB RAID0, QTS 4.2.2 Kodi 16.1 Jarvis QNAP TS-119 1TB Single, QTS 4.2.2 Retired oyvindo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=19302 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107002 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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liffy99 wrote: > Cons - might be expensive (a new Mac or fanless Windows PC will both be > well into 4 figures). I priced out an i3 Intel NUC with 64GB m.2 SSD and internal 2TB storage drive the other day. It was about $435. OS (Daphile) is free. It can sit anywhere on your network; in a closet even. If you wanted to go cheaper, a refurbished i3 small form factor Win 10 desktop with same capacities would be about $300. Apesbrain's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=738 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107002 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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pablolie wrote: > How about a Kickstarter for (1) an independent software project and (b) > a new SB box... Or Logitech charges us an annual subscription. Not great, but better than shutting it all down. With the "--nomysqueezebox" option we still get internet radio, right? ickStream is the independent software project; I've not tried it. Plenty of hardware out there. Apesbrain's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=738 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107002 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Paul Dorn wrote: > > On that topic, I want to thank Logitech for continuing their support for > the backends. I think they have gone way beyond what is required. I > know we all hated when they discontinued the Squeezebox line. But I'm > amazed online services are still provided. Is it Logitech, or is it through personal dedication of some people? If it *was* Logitech, I think they should have released the entire project to open source *after* removing any dependency to that rare and doomed thing, msb.com. But I guess some dependency is programmed into firmware (which I think could be removed off the Xilinx FPGAs). What Logitech did was bizarre. What individuals committed to the ecosystem did and continue to do, is beyond heroic. I wish they'd set up Paypal accounts. Perhaps as a community we could show them they could turn this into a profitable commercial effort. ...pablo Server: Virtual Machine (on VMware Workstation 12) running Ubuntu 16.04 + LMS 7.9 System: SB Touch --optical->- Benchmark DAC2HGC --AnalysisPlus Oval Copper XLR->- NAD M22 Power Amp --AnalysisPlus Black Mesh Oval->- Totem Element Fire Other Rooms: 2x SB Boom; 1x SB Radio; 1x SB Classic-> NAD D7050 -> Totem DreamCatcher + Velodyne Minivee Sub Computer audio: workstation --USB->- audioengine D1 -> Grado PS500e/Shure 1540 pablolie's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3816 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107002 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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atrocity wrote: > There would definitely be some initial pain, that's for sure. But it > seems likely that there'd be too much interest in keeping it going to > have it just fade away. > > I suspect the work required to replace the back end servers that interface with online music services such as Pandora would be more than individuals could replicate. For all I know, Logitech has contracts with some of the services that would need to be replicated of Logitech stopped supporting the online services. For those of you who only care about local music, the Squeezebox devices should continue to work. But I suspect those of us making a lot of use of services such as Pandora would find their Squeezebox devices far less useful than they are today. On that topic, I want to thank Logitech for continuing their support for the backends. I think they have gone way beyond what is required. I know we all hated when they discontinued the Squeezebox line. But I'm amazed online services are still provided. Paul Dorn's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7631 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107002 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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mherger wrote: > > Don't forget that Logitech is still providing a whole lot of > infrastructure which would need to be replaced by the community: build > systems, download servers, this forum etc. That could become a problem. There would definitely be some initial pain, that's for sure. But it seems likely that there'd be too much interest in keeping it going to have it just fade away. And please let me again take this opportunity to sincerely thank you for all you've done and continue to do! atrocity's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16009 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107002 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Mnyb wrote: > Thatst the way anyway . > > Throw the server into a closet . > > Soner rather than later you have multiple players :) > > And separating server part from player part is a good architechture Yup its only another £30 Pi ! *Players:* SliMP3,Squeezebox3 x3,Receiver,SqueezePlayer,PiCorePlayer x3,Wandboard *Server:* LMS Version: 7.9.0 - 1475786002 on Centos 7 VM on ESXi 6 on Dell T320 *Plugins:* AutoRescan/BBCiPlayer/PowerSave/PowerSwitchIII/Squeezecloud *Remotes:* iPeng8/Orangesqueeze/PC/Jivelite *Music:* 383GB,1269 albums 17756 songs 4381 artists mostly FLACs *Want a webapp ?* See http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?104305-Webapp-for-LMS Jeff07971's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=49290 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107002 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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liffy99 wrote: > Thanks but its a question of disc noise rather than speed in the case of > atachment to the RPi - it's next to the stereo where I do my serious > listening. A low cost HD would be OK if I went with the server option > being upstairs. Thatst the way anyway . Throw the server into a closet . Soner rather than later you have multiple players :) And separating server part from player part is a good architechture Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: Touch + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad1 with iPengHD & SqueezePad (spares Touch, SB3, reciever ,controller ) server HP proliant micro server N36L with ClearOS Linux http://people.xiph.org/~xiphmont/demo/neil-young.html Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107002 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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liffy99 wrote: > Thanks but its a question of disc noise rather than speed in the case of > atachment to the RPi - it's next to the stereo where I do my serious > listening. A low cost HD would be OK if I went with the server option > being upstairs. I doubt if you would hear a 2.5" HDD at 3 feet with no music playing let alone with music playing *Players:* SliMP3,Squeezebox3 x3,Receiver,SqueezePlayer,PiCorePlayer x3,Wandboard *Server:* LMS Version: 7.9.0 - 1475786002 on Centos 7 VM on ESXi 6 on Dell T320 *Plugins:* AutoRescan/BBCiPlayer/PowerSave/PowerSwitchIII/Squeezecloud *Remotes:* iPeng8/Orangesqueeze/PC/Jivelite *Music:* 383GB,1269 albums 17756 songs 4381 artists mostly FLACs *Want a webapp ?* See http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?104305-Webapp-for-LMS Jeff07971's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=49290 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107002 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Jeff07971 wrote: > Samba does allow file transfer its been doing for me for 15 years and > for a few weeks on Picoreplayer it took around 10 minutes to set up. > > > > I do not remember anyone mentioning an SSD, if they did they should be > ignored, it would be completely pointless. Using a high cost, high > speed, low storage capacity device where you want a low cost low speed > high capacity device is nonsense. SSD's take FAR less power than a > spinner but a spinner AND pi total is likely to be only 5-10 watts. A > spinning HDD will be more than fast enough unless you have around 30 > players playing FLAC's or high res files, you will have hit other > problems before the HDD becomes the limit. > I have used WD Elements 1Tb before. They can be had for £50 > > http://www.pcworld.co.uk/gbuk/search-keywords/xx_xx_71595_xx_xx/elements%2Bportable/xx-criteria.html Thanks but its a question of disc noise rather than speed in the case of atachment to the RPi - it's next to the stereo where I do my serious listening. A low cost HD would be OK if I went with the server option being upstairs. liffy99's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7832 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107002 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Jeff07971 wrote: > Samba does allow file transfer its been doing for me for 15 years and > for a few weeks on Picoreplayer it took around 10 minutes to set up. > > > > I do not remember anyone mentioning an SSD, if they did they should be > ignored, it would be completely pointless. Using a high cost, high > speed, low storage capacity device where you want a low cost low speed > high capacity device is nonsense. SSD's take FAR less power than a > spinner but a spinner AND pi total is likely to be only 5-10 watts. A > spinning HDD will be more than fast enough unless you have around 30 > players playing FLAC's or high res files, you will have hit other > problems before the HDD becomes the limit. > I have used WD Elements 1Tb before. They can be had for £50 > > http://www.pcworld.co.uk/gbuk/search-keywords/xx_xx_71595_xx_xx/elements%2Bportable/xx-criteria.html Yes use a normal spinning drive . Power consumption use a powered hub or a good old 3,5" drive with it's own psu :) Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: Touch + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad1 with iPengHD & SqueezePad (spares Touch, SB3, reciever ,controller ) server HP proliant micro server N36L with ClearOS Linux http://people.xiph.org/~xiphmont/demo/neil-young.html Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107002 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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> 3) Put server and player software on the Raspberry Pi. Feed with SSD > music library directly attached. > Pros - low power consumption, playback not dependent on wifi (although > Ipad remote control of music library still needed), 'samba' may allow me > to add new music over wifi to the Raspberry/ SSD (apparently). Samba does allow file transfer its been doing for me for 15 years and for a few weeks on Picoreplayer it took around 10 minutes to set up. > > Cons - SSD storage still expensive. Does Raspberry USB connection have > enough oomph to power the SSD drive ? Still need to grapple with remote > access from time to time. Does Raspberry Pi 3 have USB 2 or 3 (does it > matter for speedy access of the SSD drive ?). Will still need to replace > my IMac at some point. I do not remember anyone mentioning an SSD, if they did they should be ignored, it would be completely pointless. Using a high cost, high speed, low storage capacity device where you want a low cost low speed high capacity device is nonsense. SSD's take FAR less power than a spinner but a spinner AND pi total is likely to be only 5-10 watts. A spinning HDD will be more than fast enough unless you have around 30 players playing FLAC's or high res files, you will have hit other problems before the HDD becomes the limit. I have used WD Elements 1Tb before. They can be had for £50 *Players:* SliMP3,Squeezebox3 x3,Receiver,SqueezePlayer,PiCorePlayer x3,Wandboard *Server:* LMS Version: 7.9.0 - 1475786002 on Centos 7 VM on ESXi 6 on Dell T320 *Plugins:* AutoRescan/BBCiPlayer/PowerSave/PowerSwitchIII/Squeezecloud *Remotes:* iPeng8/Orangesqueeze/PC/Jivelite *Music:* 383GB,1269 albums 17756 songs 4381 artists mostly FLACs *Want a webapp ?* See http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?104305-Webapp-for-LMS Jeff07971's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=49290 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107002 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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All getting a bit techy for me now :) So lots of thinking to do but from my point of view, I will consider the following options; 1) Do nothing. Continue to run LMS via Vortexbox over wifi to my Raspberry Pi> Pros - no cost, all working at the moment Cons - my VBA and IMac are now 4- 7 years old so will need updating at some point. LMS GUI is no longer that attractive. Not sure if / how well this set up might handle movies (and then I'd probably need a blu ray drive anyway). USB is 2.0 only. 2) Put server and music library onto a new PC and ditch the Vortexbox, continue to stream to Raspberry Pi and use IPad as remote control (I use Squeezepad at the moment). Pros - I lose a box, some wires and am not dependent of trying to access the VBA remotely. New PC may be much less power hungry than a 27" IMac (as I would need to leave it on). USB 3.0 installed. Cons - might be expensive (a new Mac or fanless Windows PC will both be well into 4 figures). New Mac does not have a CD/DVD drive so would need an external one. SSD storage will cost a bomb for 1-2Tb). 3) Put server and player software on the Raspberry Pi. Feed with SSD music library directly attached. Pros - low power consumption, playback not dependent on wifi (although Ipad remote control of music library still needed), 'samba' may allow me to add new music over wifi to the Raspberry / SSD (apparently). Cons - SSD storage still expensive. Does Raspberry USB connection have enough oomph to power the SSD drive ? Still need to grapple with remote access from time to time. Does Raspberry Pi 3 have USB 2 or 3 (does it matter for speedy access of the SSD drive ?). Will still need to replace my IMac at some point. Which software to use is still confusing me though (I have looked at Roon etc). At present LMS sits on my VBA and is hooked up over wifi to the Raspberry Pi. Access to music library is through Squeezepad on my Ipad. Do the alternatives offer something similar ? When I have looked at Plex and Roon for example I get the impression that the player end of things enables the user to play from their chose device, rather than use it to control the server. I do not want / need to play music on my Ipad but I do want it to control the music library played through my Raspberry Pi. Hope I'm making sense. Cheers liffy99's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7832 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107002 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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AcidCitrus wrote: > Check out Roon (https://roonlabs.com), it is a next Generation LMS. You > do have to pay, but it is worth every penny IMHO. +1 I recently started using Roon and agree that it is THE next gen LMS. They have a free trial period. Highly recommended. nicoff's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9011 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107002 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Seriously, even if Logitech completely pulls the plug I don't see LMS going away for a long, long time. Don't forget that Logitech is still providing a whole lot of infrastructure which would need to be replaced by the community: build systems, download servers, this forum etc. That could become a problem. -- Michael ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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liffy99 wrote: > Given that LMS support no longer exists It doesn't? Seriously, even if Logitech completely pulls the plug I don't see LMS going away for a long, long time. atrocity's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16009 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107002 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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d6jg wrote: > Jeff - just for your info. The Samba in pCP currently has a character > set issue with filenames in FATxx USB drives. They are aware so it > should be fixed soon. Thanks for the info, I would have advised NTFS anyway even though it requires the extra filesystems. Seems to work well on my test system. Jeff *Players:* SliMP3,Squeezebox3 x3,Receiver,SqueezePlayer,PiCorePlayer x3,Wandboard *Server:* LMS Version: 7.9.0 - 1475786002 on Centos 7 VM on ESXi 6 on Dell T320 *Plugins:* AutoRescan/BBCiPlayer/PowerSave/PowerSwitchIII/Squeezecloud *Remotes:* iPeng8/Orangesqueeze/PC/Jivelite *Music:* 383GB,1269 albums 17756 songs 4381 artists mostly FLACs *Want a webapp ?* See http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?104305-Webapp-for-LMS Jeff07971's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=49290 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107002 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Jeff07971 wrote: > Deep Breath ;) > > The latest version of Picoreplayer has an option to install LMS. > Therefore you can make a Pi that is both Player(Client) and LMS(Server) > all in one. > I'll keep this simple ! The LMS needs a Music store. With LMS on Pcp > this can be a USB Hard drive (it can be lots of things but as I said > keep it simple) > To get your music onto the USB Disk you can turn the Pi off and plug you > USB HDD into your desktop, easy but not very elegant ! > In Pcp there is (Now) also a system called samba this allows you to > transfer Music for PC (Or MAC) over the network, Much more elegant ! > If you have other player or wish to add them this first Pi can also > sever music to them. > > To try it out all you need is an external USB HDD and a usdcard (I only > use 8GB ones) ! > > I would be happy to help you try it. > > As for controllers there are So Many ! :) Ipeng on iOS, > Orangesqueeze on Android, Jivelite on windows mac and linux (and if you > really want to push the envelope IR remote and Pi Touchscreen > > Hope this helps > > Jeff Jeff - just for your info. The Samba in pCP currently has a character set issue with filenames in FATxx USB drives. They are aware so it should be fixed soon. *Vortexbox LMS 7.9 music on QNAP TS419p via NFS* iThingys/iPeng/Tablets *Living Room* - SB3 -> Onkyo TS606 - > Celestion Ditton F20s - Zone 2 -> Sony TA FE 320 -> Sennheiser RS 130 & B P7 *Office* - RPi -> Sony TA FE320 -> Celestion F10s / SB3 -> Onkyo CRN 755 -> Wharfedale Modus Cubes *Dining Room* -> SB Boom *Kitchen* -> UE Radio (upgraded to SB Radio) *Bedroom (Bedside)* - SB Touch -> Topping TP21 -> AKG Headphones *Bedroom (TV)* - Amazon Fire TV (SB Player) -> Topping TP20 -> Wharfedale Modus Cubes d6jg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44051 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107002 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Krisbee wrote: > It might be useful to distinguish the core audio server in use from > particular implementations. that's true. It would also be necessary to distinguish on which hardware architecture these software run. for example daphile run on just x86 , picoreplayer and max2play on raspberry arm. Moreover, for each software, it would be necessary to know the capacities of the supported music file formats and their resolutions. and so on. A big job to do to compare. sitro0's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=64337 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107002 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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sitro0 wrote: > hi, > If you want leave LMS you have plenty choice : > Volumio, RuneAudio, Moode Audio, Ampache, Subsonic, ROON, Google Play > Music, Plex, Sonos, Vortexbox, Daphile, Gramofon, MinimServer, max2play, > and so on. Volumio, RuneAudio, Moode Audio, are all WebGUI front ends with MPD (Music Player Daemon) at their core. Max2play is built around LMS and is an alternative to the picoreplayer. Votexbox has LMS at its core (built around Fedora Linux). Daphile also has a LMS core. It might be useful to distinguish the core audio server in use from particular implementations. Krisbee's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59080 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107002 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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hi, If you want leave LMS you have plenty choice : Volumio, RuneAudio, Moode Audio, Ampache, Subsonic, ROON, Google Play Music, Plex, Sonos, Vortexbox, Daphile, Gramofon, MinimServer, max2play, and so on. In plex the protocol is based on UPnP DLNA, LMS can do it too. For me we have to take care about the Licence and the quality of the music. Many are not open and are not free project like roon or Mininserver. Many limit to mp3 format. According to these two criteria, only LMS is suitable. Why not have LMS for the music and Plex server (or another Dlna server) for the Video ; they can be on the same computer or Nas (server) and use a player for the music (picoreplayer for example), another one for the video, or the same player for both like Kodi (in Dlna). Finally my opinion to 2 balls: with all the viruses and others that drag it is not a good idea to have a server on windows sitro0's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=64337 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107002 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Check out Roon (https://roonlabs.com), it is a next Generation LMS. You do have to pay, but it is worth every penny IMHO. Transporter, DR-1 Teflon Interconnect Monarchy Audio NM24 Tube DAC/Line Amplifier, Transparent MusicLink Plus Interconnects Monarchy Audio SM-100 Delux Mk II, Transparent MusicWave Plus Vandersteen 2ce Signature speakers Whats's the dynamic range of your music? http://www.dr.loudness-war.info/ AcidCitrus's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=30035 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107002 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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liffy99 wrote: > Thanks for all the comments guys and apologies for my lack of knowledge. > Sure, I have an LMS system running but I got there pretty much by > following instructions rather than acquiring any knowledge of Linux, > nomenclature etc. Talk of clients, servers, distros etc just gets me > confused ! > By the way I have a RPI 3, running picoreplayer ( I assume this is the > 'client', and LMS on the Vortexbox the server, and Squeezepad on the > IPad simply accesses LMS over wifi. > Perhaps I have asked the wrong sort of question, so let's assume I have > nothing and want to build a system from scratch. What would I need ? > 1) A Windows PC ( the server) > 2) music Library (FLAC) stored on PC hard drive > 3) LMS running on PC ( or an alternative as the GUi is a bit dated now > and I may want to handle films later) > 4) A client that receives streamed music from the server and feeds my > stereo (picoreplayer player, or alternative, on the client ( eg RPI, > squeezebox etc) > 5) Tablet software to access and control LMS > > When it was suggested running everything on a RPI what was meant ? Just > having a single RPI connected to a hard drive ( would this just store > the music library or other software ?). Would LMS and, say, picoreplayer > all fit on the RPI SD card ? And how then do I get files onto the hard > disk ? > > Oh for a diagram ! > > Cheers Deep Breath ;) The latest version of Picoreplayer has an option to install LMS. Therefore you can make a Pi that is both Player(Client) and LMS(Server) all in one. I'll keep this simple ! The LMS needs a Music store. With LMS on Pcp this can be a USB Hard drive (it can be lots of things but as I said keep it simple) To get your music onto the USB Disk you can turn the Pi off and plug you USB HDD into your desktop, easy but not very elegant ! In Pcp there is (Now) also a system called samba this allows you to transfer Music for PC (Or MAC) over the network, Much more elegant ! If you have other player or wish to add them this first Pi can also sever music to them. To try it out all you need is an external USB HDD and a usdcard (I only use 8GB ones) ! I would be happy to help you try it. As for controllers there are So Many ! :) Ipeng on iOS, Orangesqueeze on Android, Jivelite on windows mac and linux (and if you really want to push the envelope IR remote and Pi Touchscreen Hope this helps Jeff *Players:* SliMP3,Squeezebox3 x3,Receiver,SqueezePlayer,PiCorePlayer x3,Wandboard *Server:* LMS Version: 7.9.0 - 1475786002 on Centos 7 VM on ESXi 6 on Dell T320 *Plugins:* AutoRescan/BBCiPlayer/PowerSave/PowerSwitchIII/Squeezecloud *Remotes:* iPeng8/Orangesqueeze/PC/Jivelite *Music:* 383GB,1269 albums 17756 songs 4381 artists mostly FLACs *Want a webapp ?* See http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?104305-Webapp-for-LMS Jeff07971's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=49290 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107002 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Thanks for all the comments guys and apologies for my lack of knowledge. Sure, I have an LMS system running but I got there pretty much by following instructions rather than acquiring any knowledge of Linux, nomenclature etc. Talk of clients, servers, distros etc just gets me confused ! By the way I have a RPI 3, running picoreplayer ( I assume this is the 'client', and LMS on the Vortexbox the server, and Squeezepad on the IPad simply accesses LMS over wifi. Perhaps I have asked the wrong sort of question, so let's assume I have nothing and want to build a system from scratch. What would I need ? 1) A Windows PC ( the server) 2) music Library (FLAC) stored on PC hard drive 3) LMS running on PC ( or an alternative as the GUi is a bit dated now and I may want to handle films later) 4) A client that receives streamed music from the server and feeds my stereo (picoreplayer player, or alternative, on the client ( eg RPI, squeezebox etc) 5) Tablet software to access and control LMS When it was suggested running everything on a RPI what was meant ? Just having a single RPI connected to a hard drive ( would this just store the music library or other software ?). Would LMS and, say, picoreplayer all fit on the RPI SD card ? And how then do I get files onto the hard disk ? Cheers liffy99's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7832 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107002 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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castalla wrote: > Plex is NO substitute for LMSBut, it can be nice complement. I am a 10 year > Plus LMS user. But I am also a Plex user primarily for my Video recordings. Things that Plex does for your Music collection that LMS doesn't: 1. Puts your entire music and video collection online accessible with cellphone, anywhere on the planet etc. 2. Provides a much more modern UI into your music and video collection than LMS. 3. Ability to share your collection with Friends and Family. Plex doesn't integrate directly with Squeezebox clients so you can't control them from a Plex. There are headless Plex RPi clients so theoretically you could do a LMS type system but I haven't tried this. With newer NAS devices like the fantastic Qnap 251+, which has transcoding features for Plex and can run LMS as a "Docker Container", there is no downside to running both on the same machine and enjoy the benefits. It Plex could incorporate the LMS protocol then Plex might move ahead. I'm not sure there is much interest in that on the Plex side. Plex may attempt to move in on Roon's territory regarding music? -CB ctbarker32's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2816 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107002 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Plex is a good music server except for two things, no Replay Gain and no easy\obvious way to add and play internet radio. LMS is STILL the best music server software out there. Regards Bernt SB Touch to Yamaha A-S501, Boston Acoustics A26. SB 3 to Audio Pro T3. SB BOOM SB Radio ReadyNAS 202 iPeng bernt's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1342 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107002 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Would agree with Castalla and D6jg Plex is not a replacement for LMS As D6jg says there are a lot of tools to rip cd for Windows I use "EZ CD Audio Convertor" but there are many others. I tried vortex box and a few other "Auto ripping" systems, I hated them all when they get a cover wrong its a pain to repair etc You could setup a Raspberry Pi with Picore player, LMS and an USB Hard drive (for Music storage) and rip your CD's on the Windows machine and store them on the Pi for the LMS to server to whatever squeeze player you like. I'm sure you'll get plenty of help here if you ask, It can be a bit daunting to start. Jeff *Players:* SliMP3,Squeezebox3 x3,Receiver,SqueezePlayer,PiCorePlayer x3,Wandboard *Server:* LMS Version: 7.9.0 - 1475786002 on Centos 7 VM on ESXi 6 on Dell T320 *Plugins:* AutoRescan/BBCiPlayer/PowerSave/PowerSwitchIII/Squeezecloud *Remotes:* iPeng8/Orangesqueeze/PC/Jivelite *Music:* 383GB,1269 albums 17756 songs 4381 artists mostly FLACs *Want a webapp ?* See http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?104305-Webapp-for-LMS Jeff07971's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=49290 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107002 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Starting at the top. There are lots of FLAC players for OSx - but I would install Squeezeplay which you will find here -> https://sourceforge.net/projects/lmsclients/files/squeezeplay/osx/ You can run Plex on Windows. Is it as good as LMS ? Not as an audio only media server IMHO. Can Plex do what Vortexbox does ? No. However there are lots of toolf for Windows that easily rip CD's and then allow you to save them in any format. dbPoweramp which costs about £40 is probably the best. You still haven't really said what is wrong with the Vortexbox you have. Is it ancient ? *Vortexbox LMS 7.9 music on QNAP TS419p via NFS* iThingys/iPeng/Tablets *Living Room* - SB3 -> Onkyo TS606 - > Celestion Ditton F20s - Zone 2 -> Sony TA FE 320 -> Sennheiser RS 130 & B P7 *Office* - RPi -> Sony TA FE320 -> Celestion F10s / SB3 -> Onkyo CRN 755 -> Wharfedale Modus Cubes *Dining Room* -> SB Boom *Kitchen* -> UE Radio (upgraded to SB Radio) *Bedroom (Bedside)* - SB Touch -> Topping TP21 -> AKG Headphones *Bedroom (TV)* - Amazon Fire TV (SB Player) -> Topping TP20 -> Wharfedale Modus Cubes d6jg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44051 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107002 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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liffy99 wrote: > At present I have a Vortexbox appliance running LMS and the Vortexbox > software. I access it through my IMac which works most of the time > although there can be the occasional glitch with file permissions etc. I > can also access LMS over the web on the IMac although it won't play any > files (it finds them though) as the Mac does not support FLAC. At least > I assume this is the reason. > The VBA streams music content over wifi to my Raspberry Pi running > PiCorePLayer and thence, via SPDIF, to my stereo. I control the > interface with Squeezepad on an IPad. > > Given that LMS support no longer exists I am wondering whether I can > start again with something else - and hopefully run everything (normal > PC functions like Office, web browsing, mail etc) AND music and film > library from one box. > > BUT my technical knowledge is sadly lacking and I'm always struggling to > understand much of the terminology and way forward. > > SO, in as simple terms as possible, can I do this ? I was thinking; > > 1) Build a fanless, quiet Windows PC. > 2) Create 2 partitions (if necessary) - one to run all the usual PC > stuff and the second to accommodate Plex Media Server and libraries. > 3) Install a Plex client on the Raspberry Pi (I assume there is one) > 4) Install another Plex client on the Ipad to act as a remote control > 5) Ensure I have an optical drive on the PC to rip files when needed > (will Plex do this or do I need other software, like EAC, to manually > rip). > 6) Ensure I have large enough disk storage to accommodate music, films > and general PC stuff. > 7) Ensure I have a backup drive > > But I've loads of questions, for example; > Does Plex offer the convenience of the Vortexbox software for certain > functions (eg auto-CD ripping, incremental backups etc) ? > I'm thinking of a Windows based PC but not wholly averse to Apple - > although I find their very closed universe very limiting when it comes > to upgrading, peripherals etc. > > Has anyone done anything similar ? > I've been surfing to try and find information at a beginner level but > just seem to be wading through very difficult technical discussions most > of the time. > > So, can I do this, is Plex a viable substitute for LMS / Vortexbox, and > where do I start ? > > Thanks Plex is NO substitute for LMS Touch, Logitech Radio, Logitech UE Radio, O2 Joggler + SqpOS UPnPBridge - 2 paired Sonos Play1 speakers; Rocki - Sony SRS-BTM8 speaker; Pioneer WX-SMA1 speaker; - PURE One Flow internet radio: PURE Jongo S3x ; Jongo T2; Libratone Zipp Castbridge - Chromecast 1 + Chromecast Audio AirplayBridge - Loewe Airspeaker SB Player - Fire TV castalla's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15624 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107002 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Moving away from LMS ?
At present I have a Vortexbox appliance running LMS and the Vortexbox software. I access it through my IMac which works most of the time although there can be the occasional glitch with file permissions etc. I can also access LMS over the web on the IMac although it won't play any files (it finds them though) as the Mac does not support FLAC. At least I assume this is the reason. The VBA streams music content over wifi to my Raspberry Pi running PiCorePLayer and thence, via SPDIF, to my stereo. I control the interface with Squeezepad on an IPad. Given that LMS support no longer exists I am wondering whether I can start again with something else - and hopefully run everything (normal PC functions like Office, web browsing, mail etc) AND music and film library from one box. BUT my technical knowledge is sadly lacking and I'm always struggling to understand much of the terminology and way forward. SO, in as simple terms as possible, can I do this ? I was thinking; 1) Build a fanless, quiet Windows PC. 2) Create 2 partitions (if necessary) - one to run all the usual PC stuff and the second to accommodate Plex Media Server and libraries. 3) Install a Plex client on the Raspberry Pi (I assume there is one) 4) Install another Plex client on the Ipad to act as a remote control 5) Ensure I have an optical drive on the PC to rip files when needed (will Plex do this or do I need other software, like EAC, to manually rip). 6) Ensure I have large enough disk storage to accommodate music, films and general PC stuff. 7) Ensure I have a backup drive But I've loads of questions, for example; Does Plex offer the convenience of the Vortexbox software for certain functions (eg auto-CD ripping, incremental backups etc) ? I'm thinking of a Windows based PC but not wholly averse to Apple - although I find their very closed universe very limiting when it comes to upgrading, peripherals etc. Has anyone done anything similar ? I've been surfing to try and find information at a beginner level but just seem to be wading through very difficult technical discussions most of the time. So, can I do this, is Plex a viable substitute for LMS / Vortexbox, and where do I start ? Thanks liffy99's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7832 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107002 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
