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agillis wrote: A non networked music player does not interest me but a music store filled with studio masters in FLAC format does. If they can get licenses to good masters and the ability to release them as FLAC that will be huge. The Pono music store will be the best part. Not sure why they would do any better than hdtracks, qobuz and the others... To try to judge the real from the false will always be hard. In this fast-growing art of 'high fidelity' the quackery will bear a solid gilt edge that will fool many people - Paul W Klipsch, 1953 Julf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=42050 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101133 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Julf wrote: Not sure why they would do any better than hdtracks, qobuz and the others... Good point. early interviews on Pono indicated that the record labels were on board to produce high res, better (re)mastered versions of albums to provide to Pono. And at that point it seemed that Pono would be another format (not FLAC, etc.). But recently they make announcements that they only mean FLAC files (which is a good thing by the way) and moreover, several comments that Pono store will have to take what the labels provide them (with Pono store only *hoping* for better masters). So it seems that Pono store will probably be just like these other hires sources. And we know that at hdtracks, for example, one may get really good 24/96 or 24/192 files from good masters or different masters from some other release OR one may end up with a 16/44.1 CD quality album that has simply been upconverted to 24/192. Not that there is anything wrong with 16/44.1, but it seems to be a ripoff to sell hires files with no transparency regarding their source. *Location 1:* VortexBox 4TB (2.2) LMS 7.8 Transporter, Touch, Boom, Radio w/Battery (all ethernet except Radio) *Location 2:* VBA 3TB (2.2) LMS 7.8 Touch Benchmark DAC I, Boom, Radio w/Battery (all ethernet except Radio) *Office:* Win7(64) LMS 7.8 SqueezePlay *Spares:* VBA 4TB, SB3, Touch (3), Radio (3), CONTROLLER *Controllers:* iPhone4S iPad2 (iPeng7 Squeezepad), CONTROLLER, or SqueezePlay 7.8 on Win7(64) laptop Ripping (FLAC) - dbpoweramp, Tagging - mp3tag, Streaming - Spotify garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101133 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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garym wrote: Not that there is anything wrong with 16/44.1, but it seems to be a ripoff to sell hires files with no transparency regarding their source. I agree - nothing wrong with 16/44.1, but not very keen to pay a premium just to get a lot of empty space in the file... To try to judge the real from the false will always be hard. In this fast-growing art of 'high fidelity' the quackery will bear a solid gilt edge that will fool many people - Paul W Klipsch, 1953 Julf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=42050 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101133 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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A non networked music player does not interest me but a music store filled with studio masters in FLAC format does. If they can get licenses to good masters and the ability to release them as FLAC that will be huge. The Pono music store will be the best part. rip, tag, get cover art All you do is insert the CD! http://vortexbox.org agillis Lead Developer VortexBox agillis's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=21140 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101133 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Nonreality wrote: Many people don't even know that there is better than mp3. Oh but they do know. They just don't care. Music consumption has changed a lot the last years. The people who enjoy quality music on their high quality music sets are a dying breath. The new generation is fine with mp3 and this Pono player will not change that. Nonreality wrote: I love the fact that this will play mp3 so that people can use their existing music and maybe take baby steps into better quality. And that's a fail right there. Why would anyone enjoying mp3 format today want to pay 400$ for a player that does the same thing as their existing player? Nonreality wrote: You seem to think that unless he changes everything that's wrong, then what he is doing is worthless. I applaud him for trying. No I don't think that. If Neil Young understands what is wrong with the quality today he would not come up with a Pono player. He's efforts are in no way addressing any of the issues we have in regards to quality. Given the fact that Neil tries to address the quality issue with a player leads to the conclusion that he either does not understand the issues (like so many in the industry) or he is using his name and fame to create a nice income for himself. I find none of these reasons anything to applaud. 1 x SB3, 1 x SB Boom, 1 x SB Radio and 2 x SB Touch - all wireless 1 x Wandboard Dual behind the bedroom ceiling 1 x Wandboard Dual for 'msqueeze' (http://www.msqueeze.co.nf/index.html) project ReadyNAS NVX running LMS 7.7.3. w iTunes plugin iPeng 7 on iPhone. SqueezePad iPeng 7 on iPad. http://www.last.fm/user/phibon Pascal Hibon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7969 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101133 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Mnyb wrote: You can and do hear the difference between good and bad masters and recordings . So the interesting part is how Pono will run their music store would they just accept files as is from their sources or will they do some decent quality controll ? I could not have said it any better. I seriously doubt that Neil and his team would have all bad recordings re-recorded. I don't think this would be financially possible for a company such a Pono to survive. 1 x SB3, 1 x SB Boom, 1 x SB Radio and 2 x SB Touch - all wireless 1 x Wandboard Dual behind the bedroom ceiling 1 x Wandboard Dual for 'msqueeze' (http://www.msqueeze.co.nf/index.html) project ReadyNAS NVX running LMS 7.7.3. w iTunes plugin iPeng 7 on iPhone. SqueezePad iPeng 7 on iPad. http://www.last.fm/user/phibon Pascal Hibon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7969 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101133 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Pascal Hibon wrote: I could not have said it any better. I seriously doubt that Neil and his team would have all bad recordings re-recorded. I don't think this would be financially possible for a company such a Pono to survive. Not exactly re-recorded but track down a good master , from the original studio lests say done before some exec telled them that it was to weak and had to be louder ;) Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: Touch + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad1 with iPengHD SqueezePad (in storage SB3, reciever ,controller ) server HP proliant micro server N36L with ClearOS Linux http://people.xiph.org/~xiphmont/demo/neil-young.html Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101133 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Mnyb wrote: Not exactly re-recorded but track down a good master , from the original studio lests say done before some exec telled them that it was to weak and had to be louder ;) Sure, that works if the recording itself is of good quality. That is unfortunately not necessary true for all recordings out there. Dynamic compression is not the only bad thing that happens during the creation of an album. 1 x SB3, 1 x SB Boom, 1 x SB Radio and 2 x SB Touch - all wireless 1 x Wandboard Dual behind the bedroom ceiling 1 x Wandboard Dual for 'msqueeze' (http://www.msqueeze.co.nf/index.html) project ReadyNAS NVX running LMS 7.7.3. w iTunes plugin iPeng 7 on iPhone. SqueezePad iPeng 7 on iPad. http://www.last.fm/user/phibon Pascal Hibon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7969 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101133 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Pascal Hibon wrote: Sure, that works if the recording itself is of good quality. That is unfortunately not necessary true for all recordings out there. Dynamic compression is not the only bad thing that happens during the creation of an album. Not at all numerous reasons , there migth not exist a good version ,but for mysterius reasons there always seems to exist multiple versions of some recordings ? Then they have a fallback position they hinted at , getting the best -possible- master . But then it may be sufficent to rerelease as 16/44.1 flac , lossles yes hirez no . Wonder if they going to stay of the temptation to sell it as 24/192 anyway at a premuim price he he (like hd tracks does with 1960's rolling stones) ;) Sadly i think mr .young bougth in the myth that 24/96-192 is necessary , so it may be but if the pricing is going to be higher because I get the random noise in classic/old recordings spread on more bits ? Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: Touch + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad1 with iPengHD SqueezePad (in storage SB3, reciever ,controller ) server HP proliant micro server N36L with ClearOS Linux http://people.xiph.org/~xiphmont/demo/neil-young.html Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101133 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Mnyb wrote: the pricing is going to be higher because I get the random noise in classic/old recordings spread on more bits ? I love the open, airy sound of all those empty bits! To try to judge the real from the false will always be hard. In this fast-growing art of 'high fidelity' the quackery will bear a solid gilt edge that will fool many people - Paul W Klipsch, 1953 Julf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=42050 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101133 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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This showed up today. http://www.engadget.com/2014/04/07/neil-young-on-pono-interview/ dasmueller's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=38035 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101133 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Mnyb wrote: We need more lossles music stores . agree. And after slogging through Neil's rants on digital music quality in his book, I would have really hoped that the Pono music store would have quality control over its digital files (unlike HDTracks). On the other hand, I am quite pleased that Pono will be FLAC files of different types rather than some new codec. I would have no interest in Pono files if they required a unique pono player. Good (well mastered, non dynamic range compressed) FLAC files on the other hand are certainly welcome. *Location 1:* VortexBox 4TB (2.2) LMS 7.8 Transporter, Touch, Boom, Radio w/Battery (all ethernet except Radio) *Location 2:* VBA 3TB (2.2) LMS 7.8 Touch Benchmark DAC I, Boom, Radio w/Battery (all ethernet except Radio) *Office:* Win7(64) LMS 7.8 SqueezePlay *Spares:* VBA 4TB, SB3, Touch (3), Radio (3), CONTROLLER *Controllers:* iPhone4S iPad2 (iPeng7 Squeezepad), CONTROLLER, or SqueezePlay 7.8 on Win7(64) laptop Ripping (FLAC) - dbpoweramp, Tagging - mp3tag, Streaming - Spotify garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101133 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Nonreality wrote: You mean he needs to do what you want and only what you want, regardless if he feels he's doing something good to help music quality. You missed the point. Who is interested in listening to high quality music on a portable player? The biggest portable audio listeners today are not interested in such thing and there are already plenty of those products on the market. The majority of these people are even not interested in hi-res music and are very happy with mp3 alike formats. Secondly, is he really helping high quality music? I don't think so because his answer seems to be hi-res music formats. That is not a guarantee for quality music. If you want quality music then one needs to address the poor quality recordings and poor mastering process used today. I like it that someone wants to step up and try to make improvements. But from what I've seen so far from this Pono project, I fear that Neal Young's project will miss its goal. 1 x SB3, 1 x SB Boom, 1 x SB Radio and 2 x SB Touch - all wireless 1 x Wandboard Dual behind the bedroom ceiling 1 x Wandboard Dual for 'msqueeze' (http://www.msqueeze.co.nf/index.html) project ReadyNAS NVX running LMS 7.7.3. w iTunes plugin iPeng 7 on iPhone. SqueezePad iPeng 7 on iPad. http://www.last.fm/user/phibon Pascal Hibon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7969 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101133 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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If one whants high qulity portable for some reason there are already products for that . Lets see if pono lives up tp price and performance then for that niche , they have not pulished any decent spec's wichh in itself is fishy in pov. Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: Touch + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad1 with iPengHD SqueezePad (in storage SB3, reciever ,controller ) server HP proliant micro server N36L with ClearOS Linux http://people.xiph.org/~xiphmont/demo/neil-young.html Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101133 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Pascal Hibon wrote: You missed the point. Who is interested in listening to high quality music on a portable player? The biggest portable audio listeners today are not interested in such thing and there are already plenty of those products on the market. The majority of these people are even not interested in hi-res music and are very happy with mp3 alike formats. Secondly, is he really helping high quality music? I don't think so because his answer seems to be hi-res music formats. That is not a guarantee for quality music. If you want quality music then one needs to address the poor quality recordings and poor mastering process used today. I like it that someone wants to step up and try to make improvements. But from what I've seen so far from this Pono project, I fear that Neal Young's project will miss its goal. You miss my point. He can't change everything that's wrong with music formats and he has chosen this way to try to introduce people to a better format. Many people don't even know that there is better than mp3. I love the fact that this will play mp3 so that people can use their existing music and maybe take baby steps into better quality. You seem to think that unless he changes everything that's wrong, then what he is doing is worthless. I applaud him for trying. Tapatalk gave me this handy App for my Nexus 7 :-) -IF THE RULE YOU FOLLOWED BROUGHT YOU TO THIS, OF WHAT USE IS THE RULE.- HTTP://www.last.fm/user/nonreality Nonreality's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15723 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101133 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Nonreality wrote: You miss my point. He can't change everything that's wrong with music formats and he has chosen this way to try to introduce people to a better format. There is nothing wrong with 44.1/16 (apart from not giving the record labels enough revenue). To try to judge the real from the false will always be hard. In this fast-growing art of 'high fidelity' the quackery will bear a solid gilt edge that will fool many people - Paul W Klipsch, 1953 Julf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=42050 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101133 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Lets see what Pono tries to sell us. I wouldn't wonder if it is exatctly the same stuff you get on HDtracks, Quboz and alike. I still don't believe Mr. Young does all this for the love in better sound. It is more about getting a part as big as possible of the growing HiRes sales. And indeed his marketing is well done so far. Transporter (modded) - RG142 - Avantgarde Acoustic based 500VA monoblocks - Sommer SPK240 - self-made speakers Wombat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4113 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101133 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Julf wrote: There is nothing wrong with 44.1/16 (apart from not giving the record labels enough revenue). Logitech Media Server Version: 7.8.0 - 1386246861 @ Fri Dec 6 19:06:27 PST 2013 Operating system: Debian - EN - utf8 Platform Architecture: x86_64-linux Perl Version: 5.14.2 - x86_64-linux-gnu-thread-multi Database Version: DBD::SQLite 1.34_01 (sqlite 3.7.7.1) One SB Touch connected by ethernet - Denon AVR -1912 Receiver, Paradigm 4.1 speakers One SB Boom wireless One SB Radio wireless SlimChances's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=165 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101133 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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SlimChances wrote: +1 Sorta of like the movie studios attempt to sell everyone on HD 3D Smart TVs. DVD quality is fine ; I'd rather see a good story then a HD one that is poorly done. Similarly rather listen to my collection of Classic Rock recorded CD quality (FLAC)then much of the new stuff offered HiRez Na not really i can definitely see a difference between bluray and dvd , having a 65 hdtv . But you cant hear the difference between 16/44.1 and 24/192k it's not humanly possible regardless of ears or equipment . You can and do hear the difference between good and bad masters and recordings . So the interesting part is how Pono will run their music store would they just accept files as is from their sources or will they do some decent quality controll ? That would set them apart from other vendors like HD Tracks ( who in some cases even rip consumer disc's SACD for example ? ). I've signed up for Pono , maybe I should donate a small sum too . Time will tell what they actually are up to . Btw I do think that ,another lossles music vendor is not a nill result when most music stores sells mp3 even if Pono not turn out be what's hyped in thier marketing . We need more lossles music stores . material Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: Touch + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad1 with iPengHD SqueezePad (in storage SB3, reciever ,controller ) server HP proliant micro server N36L with ClearOS Linux http://people.xiph.org/~xiphmont/demo/neil-young.html Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101133 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Mnyb wrote: Na not really i can definitely see a difference between bluray and dvd , having a 65 hdtv . But you cant hear the difference between 16/44.1 and 24/192k it's not humanly possible regardless of ears or equipment . . Yes you probably can tell the difference but my point was that if the content is crap what difference does it make if it is 3D HD 1080P or on a 1950s BW TV. Just an opinion but most of the slag that comes out of Hollywood and for that matter the major music labels is not worth my time. There is a lot of indie stuff worth watching or listening to though but I am not so interested in the definition of the recording as the story in the movie or the quality of the musicianship Logitech Media Server Version: 7.8.0 - 1386246861 @ Fri Dec 6 19:06:27 PST 2013 Operating system: Debian - EN - utf8 Platform Architecture: x86_64-linux Perl Version: 5.14.2 - x86_64-linux-gnu-thread-multi Database Version: DBD::SQLite 1.34_01 (sqlite 3.7.7.1) One SB Touch connected by ethernet - Denon AVR -1912 Receiver, Paradigm 4.1 speakers One SB Boom wireless One SB Radio wireless SlimChances's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=165 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101133 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Pascal Hibon wrote: I don't understand the Pono product. It just seems like yet another portable music player. There are plenty of portable music players around who are able to play lossless music formats. If this is about quality, then why a portable player and why not a streamer that you can hook up to your stereo? I'm never going to 'actively' listen to music on my portable devices, but I will do so on my stereo at home. And if this is about quality, then why bother with hi-res formats? Hi-res is not a guarantee for high quality music. If quality is important then young should be talking to the music industry and try to get them 1) make good quality recordings and mixes and 2) stop compressing the hell out of the music. You mean he needs to do what you want and only what you want, regardless if he feels he's doing something good to help music quality. Tapatalk gave me this handy App for my Nexus 7 :-) -IF THE RULE YOU FOLLOWED BROUGHT YOU TO THIS, OF WHAT USE IS THE RULE.- HTTP://www.last.fm/user/nonreality Nonreality's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15723 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101133 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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pippin wrote: And, well, nobody buys iPods anymore. That is nobody compared to what Apple used to sell. To some other company like Pono there are a ton of sales. So there is some potential there. I don't like using my phone for music and use a Classic for listening. It has pretty good quality as long as you bypass the headphone jack and go line out through the doc connector. Sounds better than any phone I've tried and I don't use battery life on my phone. Plus no interruption. A Pono is on my list as a replacement. Tapatalk gave me this handy App for my Nexus 7 :-) -IF THE RULE YOU FOLLOWED BROUGHT YOU TO THIS, OF WHAT USE IS THE RULE.- HTTP://www.last.fm/user/nonreality Nonreality's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15723 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101133 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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RonM wrote: So this is a portable device, intended to provide portable music? I'd like to see the earbuds/headphones that go with it. iPods and such are typically used as mobile devices, useful for listening to music on the go. Anything that is going to capitalize on high-grade sound needs a high-grade speaker assembly. To get that in a mobile context implies tradeoffs -- e.g. sound-cancelling technology that compromises the quality issue, sound-blocking features that makes you deaf to everything around you, or sound volumes that just make you deaf. R. Pono kindly save buyers the need to worry about the quality of the head-phones they provide by allowing buyers to provide their own: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1003614822/ponomusic-where-your-soul-rediscovers-music/posts 1. What headphones do you recommend? The audio experience is excellent with any decent headphones or earbuds from many of the well-respected brands. We've used products ranging from $80 up with top results. At our press demo yesterday, Ayre used Sennheiser Momentum headphones that retail for $300. We've also gotten amazing results using Audeze headphones, Etymotic in-ears, and many others. To those asking why we didn't bundle headphones, it's because many already own a pair and we wanted to offer the PonoPlayer at the best price possible. That said, we will be providing more recommendations and offering several models for sale when we launch our online store after the Kickstarter campaign. Squeezebox Classic:2; Duet: 1; Boom:1; Touch:1; Wandboard; Squeezelite. Server: Wandboard Quad with CSOS; Raspberry Pi with Squeezeplug; (backup:Win 8 Pro 64 bit, Sheevaplug with Squeezeplug); iPeng, iPeng for Ipad, Orange Squeeze, Squeezepad, LMS Version: 7.8.0 latest nightly kesey's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10786 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101133 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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If Neil Young is behind it, it must be good right ? That is what some folks are thinking out there. Probably upgrading from their 8-track player. dasmueller's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=38035 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101133 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Mnyb wrote:
The interesting part is the built in music store , but there is really
not much info on that ?
The most burning question would i be able to easilly use these files
outside the silly better mp3 player ? they sort of dont get it, this
is like Fords faster horses ('If I had asked people what they wanted,
they would have said faster horses, Henry Ford') .
It would be another lossles audio store ,they really are not enough of
them yet . this one could have actual music no audiophile recordings
.
If you cant use the files outside the player they really really dont get
it . EDIT: you can buy the music ! :) I would sure try out the store if
it works better than HD tracks .
And you can have a lossles streaming service wimp proved that .
Yep .I hear the albums will cost 50 dollars each ! lol Just kidding.
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cliveb wrote: It would appear that the Pono ecosystem basically mirrors the iPod/iTunes/iTunes store model. Nothing new there. What *is* new are the following: 1. The player costs $399. This is a joke, right? 2. The player has a triangular form factor that makes it inconvenient to slip in a pocket. Yeah the design is a problem unless you have it flat on a table. The bigger problem is the music store .It will be interesting to see how much downloads cost. jhonsber...@msn.com's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4438 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101133 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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aubuti wrote: 1) Setting aside for the moment pippin's key observation that nobody buys iPods any more, that's the same price as a 64GB iPod touch, which has half the capacity and no option for swapping out microSD card. 2) True, although I suppose it depends on the pocket. A coat pocket or backpack pocket would be fine. Trousers, not so much unless they're really baggy. You could place it in the crotch area ! jhonsber...@msn.com's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4438 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101133 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Pascal Hibon wrote: I don't understand the Pono product. It just seems like yet another portable music player. There are plenty of portable music players around who are able to play lossless music formats. If this is about quality, then why a portable player and why not a streamer that you can hook up to your stereo? I'm never going to 'actively' listen to music on my portable devices, but I will do so on my stereo at home. And if this is about quality, then why bother with hi-res formats? Hi-res is not a guarantee for high quality music. If quality is important then young should be talking to the music industry and try to get them 1) make good quality recordings and mixes and 2) stop compressing the hell out of the music. Like the upcoming Fiio X5 dsd player which I think will cost 250 0r 350? jhonsber...@msn.com's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4438 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101133 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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I'll bet it's really nice, with Ayre collaborating on it and with an ESS Sabre 9018 DAC chip in it... brillo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1601 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101133 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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I don't understand the Pono product. It just seems like yet another portable music player. There are plenty of portable music players around who are able to play lossless music formats. If this is about quality, then why a portable player and why not a streamer that you can hook up to your stereo? I'm never going to 'actively' listen to music on my portable devices, but I will do so on my stereo at home. And if this is about quality, then why bother with hi-res formats? Hi-res is not a guarantee for high quality music. If quality is important then young should be talking to the music industry and try to get them 1) make good quality recordings and mixes and 2) stop compressing the hell out of the music. 1 x SB3, 1 x SB Boom, 1 x SB Radio and 2 x SB Touch - all wireless 1 x Wandboard Dual behind the bedroom ceiling 1 x Wandboard Dual for 'msqueeze' (http://www.msqueeze.co.nf/index.html) project ReadyNAS NVX running LMS 7.7.3. w iTunes plugin iPeng 7 on iPhone. SqueezePad iPeng 7 on iPad. http://www.last.fm/user/phibon Pascal Hibon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7969 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101133 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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It would appear that the Pono ecosystem basically mirrors the iPod/iTunes/iTunes store model. Nothing new there. What *is* new are the following: 1. The player costs $399. This is a joke, right? 2. The player has a triangular form factor that makes it inconvenient to slip in a pocket. Transporter - ATC SCM100A cliveb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=348 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101133 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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What would make sense would be if Pono bougth squeezebox and set up it's music store :) yea i know Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: Touch + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad1 with iPengHD SqueezePad (in storage SB3, reciever ,controller ) server HP proliant micro server N36L with ClearOS Linux http://people.xiph.org/~xiphmont/demo/neil-young.html Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101133 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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cliveb wrote: It would appear that the Pono ecosystem basically mirrors the iPod/iTunes/iTunes store model. Nothing new there. What *is* new are the following: 1. The player costs $399. This is a joke, right? 2. The player has a triangular form factor that makes it inconvenient to slip in a pocket. 1) Setting aside for the moment pippin's key observation that nobody buys iPods any more, that's the same price as a 64GB iPod touch, which has half the capacity and no option for swapping out microSD card. 2) True, although I suppose it depends on the pocket. A coat pocket or backpack pocket would be fine. Trousers, not so much unless they're really baggy. aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101133 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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But people buying an iPod touch (the few of them who still do) usually don't do so because they want a music player but they want a cheap and small mini-tablet to run Apps on. iOS and the touch screen are the killer features, not music playing. --- learn more about iPeng, the iPhone and iPad remote for the Squeezebox and Logitech UE Smart Radio as well as iPeng Party, the free Party-App, at penguinlovesmusic.com *New: iPeng 7, the Universal App for iOS 7* pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101133 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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aubuti wrote: 1) Setting aside for the moment pippin's key observation that nobody buys iPods any more, that's the same price as a 64GB iPod touch, which has half the capacity and no option for swapping out microSD card. The iPod also works with fewer formats. I haven't seen the issue of gaplessness addressed yet. One would hope that will all the artists and technicians on board that won't be an issue, but... atrocity's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16009 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101133 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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pippin wrote: But people buying an iPod touch (the few of them who still do) usually don't do so because they want a music player but they want a cheap and small mini-tablet to run Apps on. iOS and the touch screen are the killer features, not music playing. No doubt. But if you want a music player -- as many do, even if it's a minority -- then the comparison is valid. aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101133 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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So this is a portable device, intended to provide portable music? I'd like to see the earbuds/headphones that go with it. iPods and such are typically used as mobile devices, useful for listening to music on the go. Anything that is going to capitalize on high-grade sound needs a high-grade speaker assembly. To get that in a mobile context implies tradeoffs -- e.g. sound-cancelling technology that compromises the quality issue, sound-blocking features that makes you deaf to everything around you, or sound volumes that just make you deaf. R. LMS on a dedicated music server (FitPC2) Transporter (ethernet) - main music listening, Onkyo receiver, Paradigm speakers Duet (wifi) - home theatre 5.1, Sony receiver, Energy speakers Boom 1 (wifi) - workspace Boom 2 (wifi) - various (deck, garage, etc.) Radio (wifi) - home office Touch x 2 - awaiting deployment UE Radio - awaiting deployment Control - 2 Controllers (main listening, home theatre, all others), Squeeze Remote (on Surface Pro 2), Music2Touch (BB Playbook) RonM's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17029 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101133 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Have a look at www.ponomusic.com Neil Young launched his funding round on Kickstarter yesterday March 11th, and there are already 5000+ backers who have kicked in $1.6 million. The PonoPlayer is scheduled to launch in October next. The video is well worth a watch on http://www.ponomusic.com/#home There are a bucket-load of musicians on it giving their impressions of the Pono. Squeezebox Classic:2; Duet: 1; Boom:1; Touch:1; Wandboard; Squeezelite. Server: Wandboard Quad with CSOS; Raspberry Pi with Squeezeplug; (backup:Win 8 Pro 64 bit, Sheevaplug with Squeezeplug); iPeng, iPeng for Ipad, Orange Squeeze, Squeezepad, LMS Version: 7.8.0 latest nightly kesey's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10786 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101133 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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kesey wrote: Have a look at www.ponomusic.com Neil Young launched his funding round on Kickstarter yesterday March 11th, and there are already 5000+ backers who have kicked in $1.6 million. The PonoPlayer is scheduled to launch in October next. The video is well worth a watch on http://www.ponomusic.com/#home There are a bucket-load of musicians on it giving their impressions of the Pono. Another butt-ugly FLAC player without network streaming. Just what the world needs... :) Too bad the musicians don't seem to understand the difference between dynamic compression and compressed file formats. To try to judge the real from the false will always be hard. In this fast-growing art of 'high fidelity' the quackery will bear a solid gilt edge that will fool many people - Paul W Klipsch, 1953 Julf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=42050 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101133 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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The interesting part is the built in music store , but there is really
not much info on that ?
The most burning question would i be able to easilly use these files
outside the silly better mp3 player ? they sort of dont get it, this
is like Fords faster horses ('If I had asked people what they wanted,
they would have said faster horses, Henry Ford') .
It would be another lossles audio store ,they really are not enough of
them yet . this one could have actual music no audiophile recordings
.
If you cant use the files outside the player they really really dont get
it .
And you can have a lossles streaming service wimp proved that .
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Mnyb wrote: EDIT: you can buy the music ! :) I would sure try out the store if it works better than HD tracks. And I seem to remember Neil Young had something against DSD/SACD, so I guess the stuff will be all-multibit. To try to judge the real from the false will always be hard. In this fast-growing art of 'high fidelity' the quackery will bear a solid gilt edge that will fool many people - Paul W Klipsch, 1953 Julf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=42050 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101133 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Julf wrote: And I seem to remember Neil Young had something against DSD/SACD, so I guess the stuff will be all-multibit (a good thing, in my personal opinion). I asked some questions to the pono team ,basically if you can sign up without the player and if they are going to have quality control and if they would try to find masters with less destructive compression used . Lets see what they say about that . Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: Touch + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad1 with iPengHD SqueezePad (in storage SB3, reciever ,controller ) server HP proliant micro server N36L with ClearOS Linux http://people.xiph.org/~xiphmont/demo/neil-young.html Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101133 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Julf wrote: And I seem to remember Neil Young had something against DSD/SACD, so I guess the stuff will be all-multibit (a good thing, in my personal opinion). +1 in most modern equipment the music is going to be processed anyway by room eq or subwoofer fillters etc or by digital crossovers ,none of these will ever process in DSD . so its pcm anyway . Try to find a ht reciver with native 8ch DSD.. Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: Touch + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad1 with iPengHD SqueezePad (in storage SB3, reciever ,controller ) server HP proliant micro server N36L with ClearOS Linux http://people.xiph.org/~xiphmont/demo/neil-young.html Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101133 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Mnyb wrote:
The interesting part is the built in music store , but there is really
not much info on that ?
The most burning question would i be able to easilly use these files
outside the silly better mp3 player ? they sort of dont get it, this
is like Fords faster horses ('If I had asked people what they wanted,
they would have said faster horses, Henry Ford') .
It would be another lossles audio store ,they really are not enough of
them yet . this one could have actual music no audiophile recordings
.
If you cant use the files outside the player they really really dont get
it . EDIT: you can buy the music ! :) I would sure try out the store if
it works better than HD tracks .
And you can have a lossles streaming service wimp proved that .
The Pono file format is said to be FLAC, so I guess DRM and the like are
pretty much non-existant
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Is PonoMusic a new audio format? What about PonoMusic quality?
No. We want to be very clear that PonoMusic is not a new audio file format or
standard. It is an end-to-end ecosystem for music lovers to get access to and
enjoy their favorite music in the highest resolution possible for that song or
album. The music in the PonoMusic.com Store is sold and downloaded in industry
standard audio file formats.
The PonoMusic.com Store uses FLAC (Free Lossless Audio Codec) audio format as
its standard, for compatibility, although the PonoPlayer can play most popular
high-resolution music formats from other sources. PonoMusic has a quality
spectrum, ranging from really good to really great, depending on the quality of
the available master recordings:
CD lossless quality recordings: 1411 kbps (44.1 kHz/16 bit) FLAC files
High-resolution recordings: 2304 kbps (48 kHz/24 bit) FLAC files
Higher-resolution recordings: 4608 kbps (96 kHz/24 bit) FLAC files
Ultra-high resolution recordings: 9216 kbps (192 kHz/24 bit) FLAC files
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bakker_be wrote: The Pono file format is said to be FLAC, so I guess DRM and the like are pretty much non-existant Code: Is PonoMusic a new audio format? What about PonoMusic quality? No. We want to be very clear that PonoMusic is not a new audio file format or standard. It is an end-to-end ecosystem for music lovers to get access to and enjoy their favorite music in the highest resolution possible for that song or album. The music in the PonoMusic.com Store is sold and downloaded in industry standard audio file formats. The PonoMusic.com Store uses FLAC (Free Lossless Audio Codec) audio format as its standard, for compatibility, although the PonoPlayer can play most popular high-resolution music formats from other sources. PonoMusic has a quality spectrum, ranging from really good to really great, depending on the quality of the available master recordings: CD lossless quality recordings: 1411 kbps (44.1 kHz/16 bit) FLAC files High-resolution recordings: 2304 kbps (48 kHz/24 bit) FLAC files Higher-resolution recordings: 4608 kbps (96 kHz/24 bit) FLAC files Ultra-high resolution recordings: 9216 kbps (192 kHz/24 bit) FLAC files Thats good i will question some more if my initial ones gets answers from pono . what remains to be seen is for example how they work internationally , they do ship the player outside of US thats good , so hopefully their music shop is not crippled (broken ) by some regional lock in or geo fencing thats a no no in my book . Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: Touch + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad1 with iPengHD SqueezePad (in storage SB3, reciever ,controller ) server HP proliant micro server N36L with ClearOS Linux http://people.xiph.org/~xiphmont/demo/neil-young.html Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101133 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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It has 128 GB of storage but I do not see any way to connect it to a local server for larger libraries. If that is the case it would be very limited. Also no streaming. Looks like a glorified portable MP3 player that plays a few other formats Logitech Media Server Version: 7.8.0 - 1386246861 @ Fri Dec 6 19:06:27 PST 2013 Operating system: Debian - EN - utf8 Platform Architecture: x86_64-linux Perl Version: 5.14.2 - x86_64-linux-gnu-thread-multi Database Version: DBD::SQLite 1.34_01 (sqlite 3.7.7.1) One SB Touch connected by ethernet - Denon AVR -1912 Receiver, Paradigm 4.1 speakers One SB Boom wireless One SB Radio wireless SlimChances's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=165 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101133 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
