Re: [slim] Wireless - yes, Homeplug - No

2008-04-21 Thread ChrisNY

I am having the same problem that was laid out in the original post. 
Here's an overview:
At the router: ZyXel PLA401 Homeplug
Living Room: ZyXel PLA470 Homeplug switch
Bedroom: ZyXel PLA401 Homeplug.

The Squeezebox in the living room connects to the PLA470 without any
problems.

The Squeezebox in the bedroom cannot connect.  The server and the
Squeezebox are using static IP addresses.  I've also tried connecting
via DHCP but it times out (reports that it cannot fine DHCP server).  I
cannot connect to SqueezeNetwork either.

I can connect to the internet using a laptop in the bedroom with the
Powerline adapter (wireless turned off on the laptop).

I'm getting by with wireless for the time being now that a firmware fix
in the Squeezebox nightlies appears to have fixed the WPA2 issue I was
having with my Actiontec router.

Just thought I'd chime in with my experience.


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Re: [slim] Wireless - yes, Homeplug - No

2008-04-18 Thread denmennis

I have been trying to think of alternatives to wireless networking since
mine has caused me so much trouble.  I never considered Homeplug and
MoCA is yet unavailable, but in looking into Homeplug, it appears that
it can be used to transmit over coax rather than home wiring. Does
anyone have this setup or any familiarity with it? I would think that
this is more stable and reliable than wirelessif it works. And
where do you get the hardware? Info on the net seems a little sparse,
but I may not be looking inthe right places.

dj


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Re: [slim] Wireless - yes, Homeplug - No

2008-04-18 Thread aubuti

denmennis;292899 Wrote: 
 I have been trying to think of alternatives to wireless networking since
 mine has caused me so much trouble.  I never considered Homeplug and
 MoCA is yet unavailable, but in looking into Homeplug, it appears that
 it can be used to transmit over coax rather than home wiring. Does
 anyone have this setup or any familiarity with it? I would think that
 this is more stable and reliable than wirelessif it works. And
 where do you get the hardware? Info on the net seems a little sparse,
 but I may not be looking inthe right places.
 
 dj
There's tons of info on the net. Just google for homeplug or
homeplug ethernet and you'll find lots of sites, both for sales and
for the technology itself (as easy as www.homeplug.org). Most major
suppliers of computer peripherals carry them and several major network
hardware manufacturers make them (Netgear, Cisco-Linksys, Belkin,
etc.). I've never heard of running them over coax, and I don't see why
you would want to. The electrical/mains outlet is there, and the
adapter is made with an electrical plug.


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Re: [slim] Wireless - yes, Homeplug - No

2008-04-18 Thread Peter
denmennis wrote:
 I have been trying to think of alternatives to wireless networking since
 mine has caused me so much trouble.  I never considered Homeplug and
 MoCA is yet unavailable, but in looking into Homeplug, it appears that
 it can be used to transmit over coax rather than home wiring. Does
 anyone have this setup or any familiarity with it? I would think that
 this is more stable and reliable than wirelessif it works. And
 where do you get the hardware? Info on the net seems a little sparse,
 but I may not be looking inthe right places.
   

Do yourself a favor and spend some money to put in real cat5 networking.

Regards,
Peter

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Re: [slim] Wireless - yes, Homeplug - No

2008-04-18 Thread denmennis

aubuti

Thanks. I was looking for independant reviews or other info
specifically with regard to using coax. The advantage of coax is the
bandwidth which has perked my interest. There are a bunch of products
out there but I was hoping to get info outside of the manufacturers to
get a better idea of how well this works before dropping more money
down the drain. One thing that makes me skeptical is that thte fact
that many people do not seem top be aware of this availability. I'll be
back if I find something useful.

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Re: [slim] Wireless - yes, Homeplug - No

2008-04-18 Thread bpa

Are you sure there isn't a mixup about describing how Homeplug works
like the original Ethernet which used coax whereby all users are
sharing bandwidth on the coax-cable/mains wiring. This is unlike
twisted pair Ethernet.

I can't see how Homeplug could use coax seems Homeplug is designed to
work over mains and the network connection is through the mains sockets
which also supplies power to the unit. 

You'll find all the info about technologies etc at Homeplug Alliance
http://www.homeplug.org/home


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Re: [slim] Wireless - yes, Homeplug - No

2008-04-18 Thread Peter
bpa wrote:
 Are you sure there isn't a mixup about describing how Homeplug works
 like the original Ethernet which used coax whereby all users are
 sharing bandwidth on the coax-cable/mains wiring. This is unlike
 twisted pair Ethernet.
   

The difference is not in the sharing, the difference is in the cable 
medium. There's no reason coax-ethernet couldn't be run in a start 
topology like twisted pair with a coax-switch to divide the data. In 
fact twisted-pair ethernet used to share the bandwidth when everyone was 
still using hubs instead of switches. Switches were extremely expensive 
once.

 I can't see how Homeplug could use coax seems Homeplug is designed to
 work over mains and the network connection is through the mains sockets
 which also supplies power to the unit. 
   

That sounds strange to me as well. I'm very lucky that the phone sockets 
in my new house were wired with cat5 in a star topology. It was very 
easy to put in a patch panel and a switch and replace the wall plates. 
The phones run very well wireless DECT, with computer data, wired is 
always best.

Regards,
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Re: [slim] Wireless - yes, Homeplug - No

2008-04-18 Thread aubuti

denmennis;292912 Wrote: 
 Thanks. I was looking for independant reviews or other info specifically
 with regard to using coax. The advantage of coax is the bandwidth which
 has perked my interest. There are a bunch of products out there but I
 was hoping to get info outside of the manufacturers to get a better
 idea of how well this works before dropping more money down the drain.
 One thing that makes me skeptical is that thte fact that many people do
 not seem top be aware of this availability. I'll be back if I find
 something useful.
If you want reviews of homeplug, then google homeplug reviews, and
you'll get several useful links, like this one
http://reviews.cnet.com/4520-3243_7-5021351-1.html. But if you are
looking for homeplug+coax, then I doubt you'll find much (if anything)
because that's not the way it works. Homeplug is designed to be run
over electrical wiring, not coax. That could be why not many people
have heard of homeplug+coax.

If you are determined to use coax, then continue your earlier search
for info on multimedia over coax (MoCA). There are various sites with
info, but there is little in the way of reviews because there is little
in the way of products (see http://www.mocalliance.org/en/index.asp).

Or, if you are going to pull cable, do as Peter recommends and use
cat5.


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Re: [slim] Wireless - yes, Homeplug - No

2008-04-18 Thread denmennis

I think that Homeplug got into coax when MoCA became a competive threat.
There are not many adapters that I could find but Itellon, Zyxel and one
obscure manufacturer (product no longer available) made or makes hybrid
powerline/coax adpters that can be used either over your wiring or your
coax cable.  The advantage of using home wiring is that it is more
ubiquitous with few if any dead zones.  The advantage of coax is the
speed which can theoretically reach 135Mbps...in reality the speed is
more in the range of 90-100Mbps. It is also virtually free of static
and interference as opposed to home wiring.

The big question is why is the technology not being used? To me the
idea sounds almost too good to be true but no harm in hoping.
Meanwhile, I wait for my d-link wireless router to be delivered. 

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Re: [slim] Wireless - yes, Homeplug - No

2008-04-18 Thread bpa

Why bother with Coax - the new Homeplug AV standard theoretically
delivers 200Mbps over mains.

A great wayt to use Homeplug is to allow you to locate a WAP closer to
your devices so by using Homeplug and Wifi together you get better
coverage for your Wifi devices.


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Re: [slim] Wireless - yes, Homeplug - No

2008-04-18 Thread denmennis

Just to clarify my prior post, the statements that I made re pros and
cons were taken from info that I found on the netand not from any
inherent knowledge or experience.

dj


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Re: [slim] Wireless - yes, Homeplug - No

2008-04-18 Thread aubuti

denmennis;292944 Wrote: 
 I think that Homeplug got into coax when MoCA became a competive threat.
 There are not many adapters that I could find but Itellon, Zyxel and one
 obscure manufacturer (product no longer available) made or makes hybrid
 powerline/coax adpters that can be used either over your wiring or your
 coax cable.  The advantage of using home wiring is that it is more
 ubiquitous with few if any dead zones.  The advantage of coax is the
 speed which can theoretically reach 135Mbps...in reality the speed is
 more in the range of 90-100Mbps. It is also virtually free of static
 and interference as opposed to home wiring.
 
 The big question is why is the technology not being used? 
I'll speculate the following:
1) most people don't have coax running all over their homes (I'd bet
more have cat5 than coax)
2) few people would saturate homeplug, ethernet, or wireless yet.
Lossless audio doesn't get near saturating those bandwidths, and how
many people are running multiple HD video streams around the home?
3) the equal-or-better bandwidth with newer homeplug
4) few coax products out there (likely because of #1, #2, #3).


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Re: [slim] Wireless - yes, Homeplug - No

2008-04-18 Thread denmennis

I would prefer to have cat5 and I am now kicking myself for overlooking
this detail when we built our house 8 years ago. As for a retrofit, it
would not be easy to do. Just getting access to the computer room would
be difficult. 

On the flip side, I have coax to almost every room in the house which
is part of the reason I got interested, but if the newer homeplug is as
fast or faster than coax, it would be worth looking into.

Thanks for all of your thoughts and input.

dj


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Re: [slim] Wireless - yes, Homeplug - No

2008-04-12 Thread Grumps

I have had Netgear HDX101B powerline ethernet convertors connecting my
SB3 and QNAP101 since Oct 2006 and have had no problems.  Initial
waking up of Slimserver etc takes approx 30seconds from pressing Start
and play from stopped position.  Music on QNAP in mixed formats such as
MP3, WMA, FLAC and Apple Lossless.

QNAP is connected to HDX which is plugged in to upstairs ring main and
SB3 is connected to HDX plugged in to downstairs ring main.

Had to go down this route because the construction materials of house
weakened the signal strength from my Netgear DG834PN below that which
the SB3 required - although I my Macbook generally makes wireless
connection with little or no problem.


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Re: [slim] Wireless - yes, Homeplug - No

2008-04-11 Thread PLynas

Just for the record, I too tried connecting one of my squeezeboxes via
Homeplug with no success. It would connect fine but music playback was
very choppy and unlistenable. In the end I reverted back to a wireless
connection which worked much better. I seem to remember in the past
reading on these forums that other people had had difficulty using
Homeplugs (and similar) with their Squeezeboxes. Just for the record,
at the same time my XBox360 was connected to the internet using a
Homeplug and worked perfectly.


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Re: [slim] Wireless - yes, Homeplug - No

2008-04-11 Thread Phil Leigh

I have had no issues using the homeplugs with the SB - apart from when I
tried to put a Homeplug into an RCD-protected socket outside...at which
point I got the choppy sound etc...
Much will depend on the state of your house wiring and that of your
(close) neighbours.


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Re: [slim] Wireless - yes, Homeplug - No

2008-04-11 Thread NewBuyer

No problem with homeplug here - all works great, always has as well
(thankfully).


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Re: [slim] Wireless - yes, Homeplug - No

2008-04-10 Thread blxm

Just received a pair of homeplugs. Soon as I get home, the setup will
be:

Wireless router with Homeplug hidden behind drawers in my bedroom.
QNAP TS-109 stashed away in spare bedroom with other Homeplug.
Router wireless to the SB3

Ah, for once, no NAS whirring away in my bedroom.

Will post report on this config.


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Re: [slim] Wireless - yes, Homeplug - No

2008-04-10 Thread nacmacfeegle

Woobag, can you get the Squeezebox to connect to Squeezenetwork?
This will confirm (or otherwise)the SBhomeplugrouterinternet is
working.

You don't say how your server is connected or what it is etc...


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Re: [slim] Wireless - yes, Homeplug - No

2008-04-10 Thread Lesu

The SB3 gets the IP adress automatically, no problem. It then says
192.etc.etc 'Simon1' (my music folder) then 'Conecting to Slimserver'
then nothing. SB3 screen just goes blank.

If you are getting that IP address message then the home plugs must be
working. The router has received the request for an IP address and has
allocated one and replied with the new address back to the SB3.
Therefore the network is working all the way from the SB3 to the router
and back again.
The problem lies in the server to router to SB3 path. Have you ever
tried connecting the SB3 wired direct to the router? This is
effectively what you have done using the homeplugs.
I've been using homeplugs very successfully, even using them on
different ring circuits in the house.


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Re: [slim] Wireless - yes, Homeplug - No

2008-01-15 Thread willyhoops

I use ethernet cable for one squeezebox and homeplug for all the rest of
my transporters and squeezeboxes (five in all). It has proved much more
reliable than wireless and stopped my wirless commected laptops having
dropout issues as well. Uing the software netstumber I can see dozens
of wireless networks in my area which of course must be my problem. 

I would highly reccomend homeplug even though setting up the network
key to stop neighbours getting into your network is pretty ugly with my
netgear devices. 

I guess the next generation of routers will have homeplug all built in
and i would love to see this in slimserver devices as well.


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Re: [slim] Wireless - yes, Homeplug - No

2008-01-15 Thread dick

I've been using Netgear's X103/X104 combo for about 6 months which was
great compared to my dodgy wireless strength (OK for mp3 but not flac).
All worked well until the X103 just stopped working; got a refund, so I
just need to get round to ordering another one.
I would advise anyone to keep the packaging!


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Re: [slim] Wireless - yes, Homeplug - No

2008-01-15 Thread luga00

I'm using a router with homeplug built in as they are already available
- it works marvellously.

http://www.homeplugs.co.uk/acatalog/info_10.html


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Re: [slim] Wireless - yes, Homeplug - No

2008-01-15 Thread Woobag

'Ur[s Wrote: 
 uS;258592']but for test, it worked with laptop?
 was the wireless off on the laptop?
 assuming yes to both, then you are on same ring
 when you say it finds music folder fine - what do you mean?
 
 with IP addresses, leave SB3 to get IP by DHCP (automatically from your
 wireless router) - for the time being anyway
 
 where and what is your server?

Yes, the wireles was switched off on the laptop (I just used it to
check connection to the internet using Homeplugs)

The SB3 gets the IP adress automatically, no problem. It then says
192.etc.etc 'Simon1' (my music folder) then 'Conecting to Slimserver'
then nothing. SB3 screen just goes blank.


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Re: [slim] Wireless - yes, Homeplug - No

2008-01-15 Thread simbo

I'm using Netgear HDX101s and have noticed that when the SB3 is switched
on the Homeplug connection speed drops considerably. Switch it off at
the mains and it rises again. This suggests that the SB PSU is
generating interference. Could your problem be similar?


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[slim] Wireless - yes, Homeplug - No

2008-01-14 Thread Woobag

I'm looking for some help with my problem.
I have used my Squeezebox wirelessly for about a year with no real
problems. I would like to use it in another room which has dodgy
wireless strength.
I have purchased 2 Homeplug AV200's which I have wired up. I have
connected a laptop to the Homeplug and it accesses the internet no
problem. However, when I try and use the SB on the ethernet connection
I cannot get it to work. It finds the ip address fine and my music
folder but then tries to connect to Slimserver it times out and the
screen goes blank.
I have a feeling that I will be asked about IP addresses and DHCP etc,
but I am a bit confused with the techie stuff so I will need fairly
plain English if possible!

Any help is much appreciated,

Simon


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Re: [slim] Wireless - yes, Homeplug - No

2008-01-14 Thread BigEars

You need to connect the homeplug to your router, and the second one to
the Squeezebox. The Squeezebox needs to be connected to your network
with it's own IP address, not just to your laptop.


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Re: [slim] Wireless - yes, Homeplug - No

2008-01-14 Thread Woobag

Hi Big Ears

Sorry, I think I may have confused the post a bit.
I only used the laptop to check I could access the internet OK using
the Homeplugs.
I have 1 Homeplug connected to the router and the other to the
Squeezbox. What do I do regarding IP address?

Simon


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Re: [slim] Wireless - yes, Homeplug - No

2008-01-14 Thread Phil Leigh

The plugs don't have an IP address - only the thing attached to them
does. The plugs have a MAC address of their own.

Are your plugs on the same breaker/ring main?...if not they may not
work for streaming although will work well enough for internet. Mine
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Re: [slim] Wireless - yes, Homeplug - No

2008-01-14 Thread Woobag

Ah, thanks Phil, that might be the answer. I dont think they are on the
same ring. That's a real nuisance as I purchased them especially for
the Squeezebox, so it looks like I've wasted my money!

Simon


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Re: [slim] Wireless - yes, Homeplug - No

2008-01-14 Thread jeffmeh

Woobag;258541 Wrote: 
 Ah, thanks Phil, that might be the answer. I dont think they are on the
 same ring. That's a real nuisance as I purchased them especially for
 the Squeezebox, so it looks like I've wasted my money!
 
 Simon

There are various solutions to bridge the different phases of the
panel.

I do not know where you are located, but if you are in the US, you can
use something like this.

http://www.smarthome.com/4816a2.html
http://www.smarthome.com/4826a.html
http://www.iautomate.com/xpcp.html
http://www.iautomate.com/xpcr.html

There are analagous solutions for other wiring standards outside the
U.S.  An electrician can also bridge the phases with some fairly
inexpensive parts.

Try a google search on X10 coupler

Good luck.


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Re: [slim] Wireless - yes, Homeplug - No

2008-01-14 Thread MuckleEck

An alternative would be to find two sockets on the same ring, and put a
wireless access point at the second point and see if you can run your
SB3 wirelessly.

Alasdair


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Re: [slim] Wireless - yes, Homeplug - No

2008-01-14 Thread Ken

I have used Homeplug for a number of years (in UK) with input from
router going in to one ring circuit and output from another ring
circuit. There is a considerable drop in throughput; theoretically
14mbps and in practice less than 2mbps but this works adequately for
Flac streaming. I have had nothing done to my electrics at the consumer
unit to bridge the circuits.

So it can (sometimes) work.

Ken


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Re: [slim] Wireless - yes, Homeplug - No

2008-01-14 Thread Kyle

I bought homeplugs after my wireless connection (which had worked fine
for more than a year) began to experience problems -- probably
competing signals from neighbors.  They never provided a satisfactory
connection.  They connected to the network, but I still had the same
problems playing music -- dropouts, disconnections, etc.  I sent them
back.  It cost me $100 to get a security company to hardwire CAT-5
cable -- best money I've spent.


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Re: [slim] Wireless - yes, Homeplug - No

2008-01-14 Thread Robin Bowes
Ken wrote:
 I have used Homeplug for a number of years (in UK) with input from
 router going in to one ring circuit and output from another ring
 circuit. There is a considerable drop in throughput; theoretically
 14mbps and in practice less than 2mbps but this works adequately for
 Flac streaming. I have had nothing done to my electrics at the consumer
 unit to bridge the circuits.
 
 So it can (sometimes) work.

And I've got a pair connecting a PC in another room to the rest of my 
network. They're both plugged into multi-way boards - one end is in a 
surge protector. They work perfectly.

For reference, they're Zyxel PLA-400:

http://www.connectplayentertain.co.uk/product_ajax.php?id=12

R.

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