Re: [slim] Looks like...
pippin wrote: But then they only needed half an hour to get it back up again I always wonder who buys things they see on fb? Banned banned for life's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=56269 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97045 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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But then they only needed half an hour to get it back up again pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97045 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Looks like SBC firmware r3220 has...
Getting there... But is the volume adjustable yet? -- autopilot *Lounge :* Squeezebox Classic - Cambridge Audio Azur 640a - Mission 701's. *Bedroom :* Squeezebox Receiver - Trends TA10.1 Class-T - Kef Cresta 1's *Office :* Softsqueeze - Logitech Active 5.1's. *Kitchen :* Squeezebox Boom -coming soon- *Roaming : * Squeezebox Controller - Logitech mm28 portable speakers / Shure E2c's *Controllers :* Squeezebox Controller x 2 + Logitech Harmony one *Server :* SC7.3b (Vista 64) + AlienBBC, iPlayer MusicIP headless. 'LAST.FM' (http://www.last.fm/user/domrevans/) autopilot's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1763 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=54393 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Looks like SBC firmware r3220 has...
autopilot;354859 Wrote: Getting there... But is the volume adjustable yet? It is for headphones... :-) No tone controls yet though. I thought that the output auto switching had been implemented quite a while ago though. Maybe I've been imagining it. MC -- ModelCitizen On average people have fewer than two feet. http://www.last.fm/user/ModelCitizen ModelCitizen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=446 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=54393 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Looks like SBC firmware r3220 has...
So the headphone output is now fully fully adjustable just like with other players? Time for a revisit then i think. How is 3220 in general? -- autopilot *Lounge :* Squeezebox Classic - Cambridge Audio Azur 640a - Mission 701's. *Bedroom :* Squeezebox Receiver - Trends TA10.1 Class-T - Kef Cresta 1's *Office :* Softsqueeze - Logitech Active 5.1's. *Kitchen :* Squeezebox Boom -coming soon- *Roaming : * Squeezebox Controller - Logitech mm28 portable speakers / Shure E2c's *Controllers :* Squeezebox Controller x 2 + Logitech Harmony one *Server :* SC7.3b (Vista 64) + AlienBBC, iPlayer MusicIP headless. 'LAST.FM' (http://www.last.fm/user/domrevans/) autopilot's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1763 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=54393 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Looks like SBC firmware r3220 has...
autopilot;354875 Wrote: So the headphone output is now fully fully adjustable just like with other players? Time for a revisit then i think. How is 3220 in general? r3220 is pretty decent. As andy said, it's better if it's in the cradle. I really don't mind an occassional skip because I know it's beta. I'm using r3220 and I don't have volume control. Richard Titmuss said it comes with r3226, but I couldn't find that last night. In about an hour of listening with it in the cradle last night, I had 1 little blip. Have a great day. Howard -- Howard Passman .and still waiting for extra cradles.. Howard Passman's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16674 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=54393 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Looks like SBC firmware r3220 has...
autopilot;354875 Wrote: So the headphone output is now fully fully adjustable just like with other players? Time for a revisit then i think. How is 3220 in general? I think the Vol control is in r3226 see:http://forums.slimdevices.com/showpost.php?p=354773postcount=2 -- Ramage T5500 1.6GHz, SC 7.2-22869 Win Vista, Alien 2.0 P4 2.6GHz, SC 7.3-23688 WinXP, Alien 2.2b1-7.3 P2 266MHz, ClarkConnect 4.1, SC 7.2.1-01.23240, Alien 2.0 AMD64x2 ubuntu 8.04, SC 7.3-23734, Alien 2.2b1-7.3 Ramage's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5343 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=54393 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Looks like SBC firmware r3220 has...
autopilot;354875 Wrote: So the headphone output is now fully fully adjustable just like with other players? Time for a revisit then i think. How is 3220 in general? Ah, I was not talking about the controller. Sorry. MC -- ModelCitizen On average people have fewer than two feet. http://www.last.fm/user/ModelCitizen ModelCitizen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=446 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=54393 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Looks like it's up to you
Yes, I contacted support through that portal (via the help page in SqueezeCenter). The reference number is 081010-001492. The contact was made last Thursday and I have not received any contact, other than the automated reply, since. I am in Toronto. As I mentioned, these players worked just fine for the last year or so with Slimserver, but now that I upgraded to Squeezecenter they do not sync. The server clock mentioned in the other reply appears to be working fine. My server is an older AMD Athlon running XP Pro. It is dedicated to this task and the occasional network backup. -- Rein Rein's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=20498 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=53732 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Looks like it's up to you
I brought this up the attention of our support team. You should be getting a response soon if you haven't got one already. Mike -- mvalera Michael Valera Online Communities Manager Logitech Streaming Media Business Unit slimdevices.com mvalera's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11086 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=53732 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Looks like it's up to you
Thank Mike. I got an automated request to fill in a survey rating how good the non-existent support has been. I tried rebooting after filling in the survey, but that didn't fix the problem either. Has Logitech laid everybody off? -- Rein Rein's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=20498 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=53732 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Looks like it's up to you
Rein;349703 Wrote: Thank Mike. I got an automated request to fill in a survey rating how good the non-existent support has been. I tried rebooting after filling in the survey, but that didn't fix the problem either. Has Logitech laid everybody off? Is it possible you have some kind of filter that's filtering out the real e-mails? (but apparently not the survey spam?!) -- lanierb lanierb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5566 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=53732 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Looks like it's up to you
lanierb;349753 Wrote: Is it possible you have some kind of filter that's filtering out the real e-mails? (but apparently not the survey spam?!) I have verified the filters are not catching anything. -- Rein Rein's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=20498 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=53732 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Looks like it's up to you
My first suggestion is a follow-up support request to Logitech. Occasionally things that should not get dropped do--mistakes happen. I don't imagine they are singling you out and only providing excellent customer service to everyone else. As for the drift, I'm wondering if you have clock drift on the machine running SqueezeCenter. If that's the case, take a look through the notes on this bug here: http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=8018 for some suggestions. Please note that when your server has a problem maintaining reasonably correct time, that's not something SqueezeCenter can fix. I'd also try going back to all default settings in SqueezeCenter, and doing a factory reset on both players. This should just work out of the box, no tweaking required. -- CatBus CatBus's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7461 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=53732 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Looks like it's up to you
Thanks CatBus, I did try the hard resets without luck, return to defaults and re-booting the server. I'm running XP, I wonder how different the issue is v.s. your Linux configuration? How did you verify the server clock's accuracy? Is there a simple tool? If it is the problem, then I also have to figure out how to fix it. As for the support issue, I'd like to assume you're right. I did send a follow up on the weekend, without any reply yet. I can appreciate a logjam in support, but then you don't commit to something like a 24 hour response if you can't deliver! -- Rein Rein's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=20498 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=53732 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Looks like it's up to you
The clock doesn't actually have to be accurate, it just needs to progress at a rate of one second per second. A quick test would be to use a trusted clock, and record the system time at the start of the test and then one day later (by the trusted clock). Then see how much time has elapsed during that day according to the computer, and you know your drift. It's normal for clocks to drift a little bit. Ultimately you'd need to talk to Logitech to figure out if your clock drift was outside tolerances. This may also very well be a red herring. What format is your music, and what are the specs of your server? -- CatBus CatBus's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7461 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=53732 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Looks like it's up to you
Hey Rein, Sorry you are having trouble with your new purchase. As an FYI, our support teams do not work weekends so this may have extended their response time. Where are you located? Did you contact us thru this link: http://slimdevices.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/slimdevices.cfg/php/enduser/ask.php or did you contact EMEA support? Do you have a ticket #? Mike -- mvalera Michael Valera Online Communities Manager Logitech Streaming Media Business Unit slimdevices.com mvalera's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11086 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=53732 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Looks like my SB3 has died
I wonder if I can get my dead SB2 back to life again... I will check out if there is a way to remove the wireless antenna and report back here. If anyone has a suggestion, please suggest :) -- drtebi drtebi's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11821 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34441 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Looks like Blu-Ray has won
It seems that JohnLewis in the UK have decided to sell off all the Toshiba HD-DVD players cheap...£99 is the current price for one... -- MuckleEck Alasdair 3 SB3s - Linn - Acoustat - AudioEngine 2 - Cambridge Audio 640R - Mordaunt Short MuckleEck's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11301 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=43609 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Looks like Blu-Ray has won
In some instances, DVD collections of TV shows have been altered not because of censorship, but due to music royalties. I forget which series it was, but it was one which used music of the period to great effect (Wonder Years? Northern Exposure?). Anyway, they stripped out all the good music and put in generic stuff for the DVD collection. -- Pale Blue Ego Pale Blue Ego's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=110 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=43609 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Looks like Blu-Ray has won
I suspect you're thinking of WKRP in Cincinnati Kevin On Feb 22, 2008, at 11:08 , Pale Blue Ego wrote: In some instances, DVD collections of TV shows have been altered not because of censorship, but due to music royalties. I forget which series it was, but it was one which used music of the period to great effect (Wonder Years? Northern Exposure?). Anyway, they stripped out all the good music and put in generic stuff for the DVD collection. -- Pale Blue Ego Pale Blue Ego's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=110 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=43609 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss -- Kevin O. Lepard, MD, PhD, FACEP, FAAEM Happiness is being 100% Microsoft free. CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message and any attachments to it are intended for use only by the addressee(s), and may contain privileged or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, you are not authorized to read, print, copy or disseminate this message or any attachments to it, or to take any action based on them. If you have received this message in error, please permanently delete or destroy the original and any copy of this message. ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Looks like Blu-Ray has won
Somehow I think claims like physical media is dead are a bit premature. And the new HD content is The problem there. Think about the bandwidth required to stream 1080p content to thousands and millions of customers. Can you imagine it becoming available anytime soon? I don't think so. So, we are stuck with little plastic discs for quite some time as long as the HD content is considered. JJanis -- jjanis jjanis's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11868 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=43609 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Looks like Blu-Ray has won
Discs will be around for a long time yet. People that use forums like this assume that everyone out there has super fast broadband. ADSL is the most prevalent in the UK and some people are lucky to see even 1Mbps if they're too far from the exchange. I'd rather buy a disc than have to spend hours downloading a film only for it to disappear 24 hours after I've watched as it would under Xbox Live (or was that Apple TV?). Even worse is you have to watch within a set time. -- probedb Paul. 'last.fm' (http://www.last.fm/user/probedb) probedb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7825 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=43609 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Looks like Blu-Ray has won
jjanis;271166 Wrote: Somehow I think claims like physical media is dead are a bit premature. And the new HD content is The problem there. Think about the bandwidth required to stream 1080p content to thousands and millions of customers. Can you imagine it becoming available anytime soon? I don't think so. So, we are stuck with little plastic discs for quite some time as long as the HD content is considered. JJanis And I think many are overlooking the advances in flash memory cards as a physical media type. It won't be too much longer before we are buying 200gb (possibly into tb's) memory cards at reasonable prices that we can place into our wallets and take anywhere. -- toby10 toby10's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12553 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=43609 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Looks like Blu-Ray has won
jjanis;271166 Wrote: Think about the bandwidth required to stream 1080p content to thousands and millions of customers. Can you imagine it becoming available anytime soon? I don't think so. JJanis It will happen, but not for many more years. The BW is available now to make it a breeze(fiber to the home), its still just too expensive becuase of the infrasture investment that needs to be made. That is why DSL and Cable modems have been successfull-- they work on the already existing infrastructure. I have COMCAST cable service with streaming service they call ON DEMAND. It streams audio and video over the cable to my box. Even HD content in 1080i with Dolby Digital 5.1. So, actually, I think they could even do 1080p and uncompressed 5.1 audio (I'm guessing it would take twice as much more BW?). They are just waiting for more widespread adoption of 1080p before they begin to offer it (and probably charge more for it!) I'd say its still several years away, so that brings us back to my original point. Why wait? Players were as low as $299 last Christmas. I got my Blu Ray player for free with purchase of the TV last month. I bet now we'll see blu ray players under $200 by summer and maybe even a $129 unit by Christmas... -- Zten Zten's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1810 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=43609 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Looks like Blu-Ray has won
jjanis wrote: Think about the bandwidth required to stream 1080p content to thousands and millions of customers. Can you imagine it becoming available anytime soon? I don't think so. Its available today in much of the developed world. Not in most of the US because of monopoly telco resistance. Altho Verizon is rolling out FIOS (fiber to the house) which is available today in many areas. Korea and Japan are way ahead of the US in broadband availability, faster and cheaper than we see in the US. Your soon argument is just a question of timing. One can argue about when 'soon' will be. There is no argument that very fast broadband is coming and when it comes, the disk is dead. -- Pat Farrell http://www.pfarrell.com/ ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Looks like Blu-Ray has won
one more voice to add into the mix... here's a great article about the current blu-ray situation and the future of media content. http://library.creativecow.net/articles/wilson_tim/blu-ray.php I'll add too that perhaps I'm a bit biased in my thinking because I work in television (I'm an editor of tv shows) and therefore I get to look at perfect uncompressed 1080i HD imagery on a daily basis and I'd still argue that receiving compressed HD content from a comcast (or similar provider) is just fine for the moment. But in the end, I guess it's all up to the viewer's/listener's requirements for being satisfied. For me it's all about convenience and simplicity of delivery of that content. -- exile exile's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4579 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=43609 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Looks like Blu-Ray has won
Physical media is going to stay. More so for movies. 1. Bandwidth does not catch up fast enough. By the time you could download a Blu-ray disc fast enough, Sony will have Blu-ray Ultra with 2TB media supporting 4320p HD format. 2. Hard Disk size not catching up fast enough. A 500G drive could only store a dozen of movies. You also need to back up the hard drive otherwise you eventually lose it. 3. A typical movie you will watch it once every a few years. Why bother to use expensive online storage (Hard Disk) for it? 4. A typical movie will last about 2 hours, inserting a physical disc is not a incovenience. (Music is different, songs last 3-4min which would trigger a lot of disc swap.) 5. A lot of online movie purchase has time limit. That is you can only watch it over a something like a 24-hour period. This is very wrong. It is more like rental only. When I buy I Blue-ray disc, I own it and can watch it later, give it to my friends or even sell it at a later day. It may even have investment value. (A lot of my LP collection could be sold for a price a lot higher than when I bought it.) 6. Physical media helps sales. A physical media on a shelf display in shops has advertising effect and could trigger more sales. -- Honva Honva's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14948 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=43609 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Looks like Blu-Ray has won
Yes, HD is compressed (mpeg) video. It has to be. Uncompressed 24-bit RGB images are 5.9 mb PER FRAME or 177 mbps. An HD transport stream is 19 mbps if you pull it in over the air. Cable companies compress it further to fit more channels through the pipe, so you're actually getting somewhere around 7-10 mpbs via Comcast. Look at AppleTV...their movies aren't even DVD quality. Movies on disc will be around for a long time. -- Pale Blue Ego Pale Blue Ego's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=110 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=43609 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Looks like Blu-Ray has won
yes, hd is compressed. I was referring to the notion of watching hd shot footage before it gets compressed by a cable provider like comcast. -- exile exile's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4579 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=43609 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Looks like Blu-Ray has won
Interesting article on theregister today, around ISPs and media streaming (legal) by the BBC using its iPlayer software. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/02/20/iplayer_isps_broke/ In only its first month of service, iPlayer pushed up ISP costs by 200 per cent, from 6.1p per user to 18.3p per user Since Xmas I have noticed my BT unlimited broadband has become increasingly slower and I live in the countryside where I expect contention on the exchange is less :S (Though probably the kit isnt so strong as a town exchange to start with?) Wonder how this will shake out... -- cparker www.spicefly.com - Visit for an enhanced Interface for MusicIP and tips and tricks for integrating with Slimserver! cparker's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2083 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=43609 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Looks like Blu-Ray has won
Death of physical media is not only a technical problem. Imagine all the movies in servers where you must log in to watch a particular movie. Then imagine a new witch hunt or a puritanist regime, and all your favourite films are not available anymore. Seems a little far out at first, but it has already begun. Fans of Tex Avery have noticed that on the DVD box set some episodes are missing and others have been censored (for being racist). Worse, tv channels cannot air them even if they have the tapes. A friend bought the box set and discovered that, luckyly we have old VHS tapes uncensored. if you read french: http://martinwinckler.com/article.php3?id_article=121 or http://dvdfr.solexine.fr/news/news.php?id=2597 It's only cartoons, but on the other hand if they can do it to cartoons If things go on the way it has begun, there will be no more dvds, no more cds, and even no more books (owned by google), we will depend on the will of governments or big companies. It's a little bit Orwellian,i reckon, but maybe there's some truth in it. A very angry tex Avery fan, Jean -- zano65 zano65's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3906 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=43609 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Looks like Blu-Ray has won
Pat Farrell;271248 Wrote: jjanis wrote: Think about the bandwidth required to stream 1080p content to thousands and millions of customers. Can you imagine it becoming available anytime soon? I don't think so. Its available today in much of the developed world. Not in most of the US because of monopoly telco resistance. Altho Verizon is rolling out FIOS (fiber to the house) which is available today in many areas. Korea and Japan are way ahead of the US in broadband availability, faster and cheaper than we see in the US. In Korea, Japan and some European countries, a high proportion of people live in urban apartment blocks so it is economical to run fibre to the basement. The economics are tougher to serve suburban detached populations with smaller population densities. -- mikerob mikerob's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=835 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=43609 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Looks like Blu-Ray has won
Pat Farrell;270836 Wrote: No, its not that you will rip them at all. They will be delivered over the 'net. Physical plastic disks are dead. As are players for them. Very unlikely.. physical media is here to stay. The convenience of the plastic disc is far higher than the gauntlet of bandwith limits, crashing hard disks, file corruption and DRM. How exactly would you take your movie collection on holiday, in the car, in a plane etc. Yes you could download first for new content but then you have to plan ahead (and ensure it can play offline) and for your existing content you have to find the time to rip them. At least with a disc in your hand you know its going to play! -- cparker www.spicefly.com - Visit for an enhanced Interface for MusicIP and tips and tricks for integrating with Slimserver! cparker's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2083 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=43609 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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Pat Farrell;270948 Wrote: cparker wrote: Pat Farrell;270836 Wrote: They will be delivered over the 'net. Physical plastic disks are dead. As are players for them. Very unlikely.. physical media is here to stay. The convenience of the plastic disc is far higher than the gauntlet of bandwith limits, crashing hard disks, file corruption and DRM. This is exactly what was said about music CDs in 1999 or so. All of us SqueezeBox users know that physical music disks are irrelevant. How exactly would you take your movie collection on holiday, in the car, in a plane etc. Yes you could download first for new content but then you have to plan ahead (and ensure it can play offline) and for your existing content you have to find the time to rip them. To make this happen, all we need is to move from the equivalent of dialup, which most folks had in 1999, to the equivalent of broadband. The reason so many folks used low rate MP3 was that relative to dialup, it was faster. With modern broadband (even as dead slow as it is in the US) you can do real time RedBook. The idea of online and offline is going to die. You want a movie or TV show, you watch it from some server somewhere. I have no idea how it will be billed. Perhaps like HBO, where $20 a month buys all of their movies for a month. I'm not claiming that plastic disks will go away by the end of this week. But by the end of the next decade, for sure. The problem I see (maybe have is a more suitable word) is that all of the mainstream online music retailers sell lossy music. I know that with my physical media and a lossless encoder I have on my digital audio player a 100% identical copy to what's on my physical media. The industry triumph right now is just getting DRM to be relaxed/dropped. Don't forget the uproar over companies like ATT (SBC) wanting to charge content providers like Google for pushing their content over the network. Now we are facing bandwidth throttling on P2P activity, but what's to say they won't extend it to media content that they aren't the source of? IIRC there was mention of a QOS fee to make sure such content is delivered reliably. This makes me think of the cellco walled garden approach where the only content you get comes from them. An extreme example, but you get the general idea. Until I can buy lossless, DRM free music from mainstream outlets and not worry about my ISP or their connection choking my content because they think I need to pay them more for the privelige I will continue to buy physical media. The masses, however, think that mp3 is the be all and end all of digital formats, are probably totally unaware anything else (and better) exists and will embrace the concept of 100% digital distribution quite readily. I think I'm just getting old and set in my ways. -- 4mula1 SlimServer 6.5.4 + Solaris 10 x86: Because Linux would've been too easy! 4mula1's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3439 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=43609 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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cparker wrote: Pat Farrell;270836 Wrote: They will be delivered over the 'net. Physical plastic disks are dead. As are players for them. Very unlikely.. physical media is here to stay. The convenience of the plastic disc is far higher than the gauntlet of bandwith limits, crashing hard disks, file corruption and DRM. This is exactly what was said about music CDs in 1999 or so. All of us SqueezeBox users know that physical music disks are irrelevant. How exactly would you take your movie collection on holiday, in the car, in a plane etc. Yes you could download first for new content but then you have to plan ahead (and ensure it can play offline) and for your existing content you have to find the time to rip them. To make this happen, all we need is to move from the equivalent of dialup, which most folks had in 1999, to the equivalent of broadband. The reason so many folks used low rate MP3 was that relative to dialup, it was faster. With modern broadband (even as dead slow as it is in the US) you can do real time RedBook. The idea of online and offline is going to die. You want a movie or TV show, you watch it from some server somewhere. I have no idea how it will be billed. Perhaps like HBO, where $20 a month buys all of their movies for a month. I'm not claiming that plastic disks will go away by the end of this week. But by the end of the next decade, for sure. -- -- toc [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.curmudgeon4.us/ ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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Pat Farrell;270948 Wrote: This is exactly what was said about music CDs in 1999 or so. All of us SqueezeBox users know that physical music disks are irrelevant. Well its almost 2009 (well shortly) and how many people do you know that have offloaded all their CDs and are fully online only? Even for SqueezeBods we have CDs as a security/backup for when our libraries die. I'm not claiming that plastic disks will go away by the end of this week. But by the end of the next decade, for sure. That would involve some huge investment in infrastructure, certainly no ISP is going to be able to afford that by selling £25 a month broadband packages. I agree on the movie front, but then only because 99% of movies are designed to be viewed once and thrown away, whereas with music its more tactile, well for me anyway. I always buy the disc and then rip, not the other way around, but then maybe I'm getting old :S -- cparker cparker's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2083 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=43609 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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Personally, I think that the need to have a physical media disk will quickly give way to the convenience of server driven media content. I too like having lossless quality music files. The majority of my music collection is in flac format because I had the actual cd's to rip. But now that we live in the age of itunes and amazon downloads it makes no sense to me to go out and purchase physical cd's. -- exile exile's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4579 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=43609 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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The real tragedy is that U.S. citizens have already paid for high-speed (45 mbps) connections. The Telecommunications Act of 1996 gave the telecom companies hundreds of billions in tax breaks and incentives in exchange for the promise of high-speed broadband to all citizens within 10 years. It was also supposed to foster competition and bring in a new age of cheap, fast services. Instead, we got broadband speeds at a fraction of 1 mbps for $50 a month, and instead of competition, we got almost total consolidation. It's no wonder mp3 is still so pervasive. Broadband speeds have been stagnant for years. I had one of the first cable modems in the country in 1996, and it was quicker that what I'm getting today. -- Pale Blue Ego Pale Blue Ego's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=110 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=43609 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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Pat Farrell;270948 Wrote: This is exactly what was said about music CDs in 1999 or so. All of us SqueezeBox users know that physical music disks are irrelevant. Hardly. I use the SB in my house but I buy music almost entirely in CD format and the CDs are regularly used in the car. They're also the most convenient way to loan music to friends. The number of CD players in the world will ensure the the CDs survival for a while yet.. plus there's the huge investment in technologies such as Blue-Ray. -- dSw dSw's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=362 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=43609 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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exile;271069 Wrote: I have to respectfully disagree. I exchange music with friends quite a bit and it's all done through portable drives. I think the physical disk is indeed almost dead. Sorry - that's wishful thinking. Don't extrapolate what you and your friends do to the other 6Bn people on the planet! -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal...SB3+Stontronics PSU - Altmann JISCO/UPCI - TACT RCS 2.2X with Good Vibrations S/W - MF X-DAC V3/X-PSU/X-10 buffer (Audiocomm full mods)- Linn 5103 - Linn Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Townsend Supertweeters, Kimber Chord cables Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=43609 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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I didn't mean tomorrow. I'm convinced though that physical media platforms like the cd or dvd are a dinosaur medium that will rather quickly (within the next decade) go the way of the record album- they will feed a niche market and not the masses. -- exile exile's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4579 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=43609 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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dSw;271061 Wrote: They're also the most convenient way to loan music to friends. I have to respectfully disagree. I exchange music with friends quite a bit and it's all done through portable drives. I think the physical disk is indeed almost dead. -- exile exile's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4579 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=43609 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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But a large portion of your life will go by before then. The way this stuff works is once it reaches a price point you are comfortable with, JUMP IN -- NO REGRETS. Don't look back for a few years becuase it will just be a painful experince. First you see your equivalent equipment drop in price, then you see BETTER stuff at the same price you paid, then you see better stuff at LOWER prices, and it accelerates down from there I got a Blue Ray player and a 52 LCD flat panel last month. 1080p with uncompressed 5.1 audio is AWESOME. It felt like the day I got my first CD player. BTW, the day I got my first CD player had larger immediate impact than the day I got my Squeezebox. Don't get me wrong. I love my SB, but it was a small step for Man. The CD player was a giant leap for Mankind. You guys can wait for 1080p and uncompressed 5.1 audio to stream to your home. Me? I'll be enjoying it NOW while you keep waiting for the future... :o) -- Zten Zten's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1810 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=43609 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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bigfool1956;270604 Wrote: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7250068.stm Blu-ray has the potential to give us higher-than-cd quality music, of course we would want to be able to get that off the disc and onto the hard drive Guess this thread is for non-US citizens only, as even making a post would be illegal, as I understand it.. Oh dear. Yeah, HD-DVD is dead. Just in the last two weeks Wal Mart Netflix announced they are completely dropping HD-DVD content and players. Target saw the writing on the wall a year ago and stopped stocking HD-DVD players in their stores. Best Buy announced it will officially recomend Blu-ray only. Other large retailers will follow. Toshiba is expected to announce (very soon) that they are ending HD-DVD player production and abandoning the format, though this could mean limited production players and content for another year or so. But Toshiba is abandoning the format as they are *bleeding* money on the format. Source material will still be available for a while, but there will be little (if any) new materials released on HD-DVD a year from now. If / when Toshiba officially abandons the format that should release the few remaining studios from their contractural agreements with Toshiba HD-DVD. Please note, I am NOT a Blu-ray owner nor fan, I'm just relaying what is widely known and discussed in HTR forums and articles as this is my hobby. :) -- toby10 toby10's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12553 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=43609 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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I'd add that even blu-ray technology appears to be somewhat irrelevant. As a user of a digital music server I can only imagine a future where we have digital video media centers just like a slimserver. movies and tv shows may live on hard drives (or on an accessible online server) and we use a squeezebox like interface (or apple tv) to access whatever we want to watch. The notion of using video discs seems already to be an old school way of watching video programs. I use my dvd player as frequently as my cd player-almost never. -- exile exile's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4579 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=43609 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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I'm not about to change my main listening environment to more than 2 channels any time soon, even rhough I love multi-channel for film etc. This isn't really because I'm a Luddite, but because I cannot see how I can physically achieve it in my room, and get the same quality, plus the cost would be prohibitive. However, if I could get music in 24/96 (nice) untainted by the loudness wars (vital), and if I could then get that on a hard disc to feed my TP, then I think I would probably become a resonably good blu-ray consumer. On the other hand, Dolby TrueHD is pretty much an extension of DVDA - it still uses MLP for example. I believe this is a packeted format, and as such should be able to be read much more successfully off the disc, than redbook CD. LPCM can be output through the digital outs of a player.. So I'm thinking PS3 - Transporter, which of course already works, but if we got a lot more choice of discs, it could be cool. Ah but, now we are back to discs for playing, instead as a transport medium for the data. So we are back to ripping, and talking about that on a US hosted web site could be illegal - so I won't. Sigh. Guess it's back to hoping for legal hi-res download opportunities. -- bigfool1956 David Ayers Music is what counts, hifi just helps us enjoy it more bigfool1956's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13782 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=43609 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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bigfool1956;270604 Wrote: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7250068.stm Blu-ray has the potential to give us higher-than-cd quality music, of course we would want to be able to get that off the disc and onto the hard drive Guess this thread is for non-US citizens only, as even making a post would be illegal, as I understand it.. Oh dear. Saw a similar RSS feed last night from Reuters. It is good for Toshiba to make the announcement before their last partner Paramount makes the switch. It is good for all of us with only one format. Blue-ray sales should go up fast and price should start to drop to the $150-$200 level soon. However, for most people, the main cost of the switch is not buying the player, but to upgrade the Receiver. I was surprised last year not seeing music industry using the HD format. Hope this will encourage them more. 96/24 in 7.1 channel sounds very attractive, especially in concert recordings. Biu -- Honva Honva's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14948 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=43609 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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Honva;270671 Wrote: .It is good for all of us with only one format. Blue-ray sales should go up fast and price should start to drop to the $150-$200 level soon. However, for most people, the main cost of the switch is not buying the player, but to upgrade the Receiver. Yes, in the long run, good for all. There are probably millions worldwide (potentially 10's of millions) who (like me) will eventually go Blu-ray in the next couple of years now that there is a clear format to buy. As for the AVR there are three different ways to achieve lossless HD audio from an HD/BD player and, depending on your AVR, may not require an new AVR. 1. player decodes audio and sends to AVR via 5.1 or 7.1 analog (requires player and AVR have discrete analog out's/in's respectively) 2. player decodes audio and sends to AVR as PCM (MPCM) via HDMI (requires AVR with HDMI 1.1 audio input) 3. player sends raw audio (bitstream) to AVR via HDMI, AVR decodes audio (requires AVR with HDMI 1.3 and onboard HD audio codecs) -- toby10 toby10's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12553 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=43609 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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exile wrote: The notion of using video discs seems already to be an old school way of watching video programs. I use my dvd player as frequently as my cd player-almost never. I agree, this was a silly war that no one will care about in a year or two. And if the US had broadband like Korea, we would not care now. Delivering authored content via small flat plastic disks is so last century -- Pat Farrell http://www.pfarrell.com/ ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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bigfool1956 wrote: I'm not about to change my main listening environment to more than 2 channels any time soon, even rhough I love multi-channel for film etc. This isn't really because I'm a Luddite, but because I cannot see how I can physically achieve it in my room, and get the same quality, plus the cost would be prohibitive. Not to mention the WAF of a room full of speakers. I don't like it much either myself. Two ears, two speakers ;) Regards, Peter ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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Pat Farrell wrote: exile wrote: The notion of using video discs seems already to be an old school way of watching video programs. I use my dvd player as frequently as my cd player-almost never. I agree, this was a silly war that no one will care about in a year or two. And if the US had broadband like Korea, we would not care now. Delivering authored content via small flat plastic disks is so last century Amen brother. The only DVD drives in my house are in laptops. Regards, Peter ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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bigfool1956;270604 Wrote: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7250068.stm Guess this thread is for non-US citizens only, as even making a post would be illegal, as I understand it.. Oh dear. It was announced on NPR in the US this morning. Also on USA Today http://www.usatoday.com/money/media/2008-02-17-toshiba-hddvd_N.htm?loc=interstitialskip Schatzy -- schatzy Kitchen - SB3 - Russound R235LS Amp - Russound SP-M8IM speakers in ceiling Main Stereo - SB3 - Nikko Beta 30 Preamp - Nikko Alpha 230 Amplifier - Genesis VI Speakers schatzy's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11827 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=43609 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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schatzy;270712 Wrote: It was announced on NPR in the US this morning. Also on USA Today http://www.usatoday.com/money/media/2008-02-17-toshiba-hddvd_N.htm?loc=interstitialskip Schatzy USA Today (not surprisingly) is a little behind on reporting the rumours speculations of Toshiba abandoning the HD-DVD format as other media sources have been reporting this since last week. I don't doubt the validity of the speculation at all and I'd bet the official announcement from Toshiba would be this week or next. Toshiba source to Reuters News: We have entered the final stage of planning to make our exit from the next generation DVD business. http://gizmodo.com/357311/its-official-toshiba-pulling-the-plug-on-hd-dvd http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/content_display/news/e3ib77125d96b22e86027d0bfb0c25aa58d -- toby10 toby10's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12553 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=43609 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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Looks like Paramount Pictures missed the opportunity. As the last film producer in HD DVD group, Paramount could have use the opportunity to strike a good deal with the Blu-ray group to end the war. Now that toshiba made their move first, Paamount no longer has this advantage. -- Honva Honva's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14948 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=43609 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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I don't think movies on disc is such a bad thing. Do we really want to rip 50 GB to our hard drives for a movie we may watch only once or twice? I don't. Anyway, it's good to see this format war coming to an end. We should see reasonably-priced players soon. -- Pale Blue Ego Pale Blue Ego's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=110 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=43609 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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Pale Blue Ego wrote: I don't think movies on disc is such a bad thing. Do we really want to rip 50 GB to our hard drives for a movie we may watch only once or twice? I don't. No, its not that you will rip them at all. They will be delivered over the 'net. Physical plastic disks are dead. As are players for them. -- Pat Farrell http://www.pfarrell.com/ ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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jeffmeh;230590 Wrote: My experience is that the quality is very good and that we are merely seeing a biased sample. How many people bother posting that everything is fine? Also, most reasonable people report that the SD/Logitech service has been good even in the event of a faulty unit. If you decide you want one, I would not worry about the quality. FWIW, I just bought my third SB3. I would like to add that I have two other SB3's as well as the now non-wireless one and they are still without fault. Quality is not an issue. Several of my friends and colleagues are now enjoying the benefits of SB ownership on my recommendation and demonstration. Also, credit to SlimDevices customer support. Quick response to e-mails, and all products under 24 months old can be repaired under warranty (just keep your receipt!). -- Glennmcb Glennmcb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13228 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34441 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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+1 for SD/Logitech support. They are RMAing it despite it being ~21 months old. Very refreshing for a tech company. -- simonn simonn's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4725 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34441 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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simonn;230665 Wrote: Out of interest, did anyone who has experienced the dead SB3 thing also start having mysterious wireless problems a few months beforehand as well, e.g. SB losing connection and restarting for no apparent reason etc after being stable for months/years? Yes, that's exactly what I experienced. In fact, the connection starting getting flaky while it was still under warranty, but I put it down to problems elsewhere in the network. It suddenly became much worse some days before it finally died. On the day it died, it did come back to life for a little while before dying for good (as I described earlier in this thread). Since the repair, it's worked almost perfectly. I say almost because the other day I glanced up and noticed that the display had gone dark, which was usually a sign that it had lost the network connection; sure enough, a few seconds later it stopped in mid-song (presumably when the buffer emptied). But when I turned it on again, it started up OK. I can't remember the last time that happened. -- Brian -- Brian Ritchie Brian Ritchie's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2319 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34441 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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Do these things die with much regularity? They are not cheap and from reading here the longevity isn't great!!! I am considering getting one but this is a little off-putting. -- Empgamer Empgamer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12652 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34441 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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Empgamer;230540 Wrote: Do these things die with much regularity? They are not cheap and from reading here the longevity isn't great!!! I am considering getting one but this is a little off-putting. My experience is that the quality is very good and that we are merely seeing a biased sample. How many people bother posting that everything is fine? Also, most reasonable people report that the SD/Logitech service has been good even in the event of a faulty unit. If you decide you want one, I would not worry about the quality. FWIW, I just bought my third SB3. -- jeffmeh jeffmeh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3986 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34441 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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jeffmeh;230590 Wrote: My experience is that the quality is very good and that we are merely seeing a biased sample. How many people bother posting that everything is fine? Also, most reasonable people report that the SD/Logitech service has been good even in the event of a faulty unit. If you decide you want one, I would not worry about the quality. FWIW, I just bought my third SB3. As the guy who started this thread, I couldn't agree more. Though I did end up returning the unit for repair, being able to get interpretations of my symptoms and suggestions for things to try here was very useful, and helped me rule out quite a few more-trivial possible causes. Since the title I chose for this thread is rather downbeat, I considered it important to add the happy ending. My experience wouldn't discourage me from buying more Squeezeboxes or a Transporter (just our house layout, my ungilded ears (SB3 sounds fine to me, don't feel I need anything better); oh, and my wallet :-)) -- Brian -- Brian Ritchie Brian Ritchie's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2319 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34441 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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jeffmeh Wrote:
My experience is that the quality is very good and that we are merely
seeing a biased sample
I hate being bias! :) :(
Glennmcb;227893 Wrote:
Thanks to you guys and the advice here, I removed the wireless card from
my TOTALLY DEAD pre-Logitech SB3, and it's jumped back to life again
('though, via a network cable).
This is what I am hoping if SD will not warranty it, because...
If not, are there any recommendations for a replacement card?
I have a spare AP which has client mode which I can plug in to the
ethernet port. Not as cool, but hopefully it will work well enough (or
even better than the built in wireless hmmm... 9dbi antenna!) in or
behind the cabinet... The problem with this is my gf used to plug into
the ethernet port when she worked from home and she has no built in
wireless... more retraining.
Would probably be the cheaper/easer/less-risky route for you (Glennmcb)
to do this.
Out of interest, did anyone who has experienced the dead SB3 thing also
start having mysterious wireless problems a few months beforehand as
well, e.g. SB restarting for no apparent reason etc after being stable
for months/years?
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Re: [slim] Looks like my SB3 has died
Min just died as well. Same symptoms. -- simonn simonn's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4725 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34441 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Looks like my SB3 has died
Thanks to you guys and the advice here, I removed the wireless card from
my TOTALLY DEAD pre-Logitech SB3, and it's jumped back to life again
('though, via a network cable). Refitting the card gave the original
result - nothing! No power, no display, no output.
My question now is, would a replacement wireless card need to be
identical to the one removed?
If not, are there any recommendations for a replacement card?
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Re: [slim] Looks like my SB3 has died
Well after 19 months my Squeezebox 3 has died. I'm getting the same symptoms as many others on here. I'm also in the UK. Brain, did you ever get yours repaired? I'm reluctant to write off a £230 device after just 19 months :-( -- Dave2O84 Dave2O84's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12962 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34441 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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I've responded to Dave directly, but in case anyone else is interested: Dave2O84;223347 Wrote: Brain, can you email the detail of who you went though for repairs? (Who's Brain? Had quite enough of that at school, thanks :-) ) I'm reluctant to write off a £230 device after just 19 months :-( As was I. The repair charge was a flat fee (see previous entries); including postage, the total was about 60 UKP. I considered it to be well worth it, since the alternatives were to buy a new SB3 (risky, if my earlier performance problems turned out to be elsewhere) or to stop using Squeezeboxes entirely (not really a viable option either :-) ) The SB3 is still working perfectly; even earlier problems that looked like network limitations have all gone away. I had seriously considered buying a second SB3 to use until the first one was repaired; but at the time it would've taken longer to get hold of one (since it would have to be an all-black model) than it took for the repair! Also did you get nobbled for customs for the trip back to the UK or did Slim Devices put something sensible on the customs declaration? I didn't get nobbled. SlimDevices paid for the return shipping. However, the delivery company used the phone number I'd given SD to call me to confirm that I was expecting the parcel, which was necessary for them to clear it through Customs. -- Brian -- Brian Ritchie Brian Ritchie's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2319 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34441 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Looks like my SB3 has died
SD Support had suggested that removing and replacing the wireless card would reset it, which might get it working again. (I wouldn't have tried this if it had still been under warranty.) Glad to hear that it seems to have worked in your case! -- Brian -- Brian Ritchie Brian Ritchie's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2319 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34441 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Looks like my SB3 has died
After my last post I was wondering about the Wireless Mini-PCI card ... As Brian's symptoms were the same as mine and his wireless card had tp be replaced, would the Squeezebox work if I removed the wireless card? The answer is YES! (though of course only wired). Interestingly, I refitted the card just in case it was a bad connection and the wireless roared into life. It's been playing for 30 mins now so hopefully it's sorted! -- dave2084 dave2084's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3071 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34441 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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Well, I sent my SB3 back to SD for repair. It was far less painful than I'd feared: 19th April : sent SB3 off (postage + insurance was about 18 quid). 26th April : got an email saying it had been repaired, and was ready to be sent back. Apparently the wireless adapter needed replacement. The repair cost is $90 (roughly 45 quid); SD paid for the return postage, so total cost was around 60 quid - well worth it, as far as I'm concerned. Certainly cheaper than just buying a new one! I could've had the SB3 back soon after this point, but we were just about to go on holiday for a couple of weeks, so I asked SD to delay posting for a while. They said they'd send it on May 11th (and delivery tracking shows that they did). 16th May: UPS call me to clear the SB3 through customs. They tell me they'll try to deliver next day. I take an extra day off to be in for it (don't exactly mind doing this!) So if I hadn't gone off on holiday, the whole process might've taken less than 3 weeks, with most of that consumed by transit. On the whole, I'm impressed; and thanks to the folks at Slim for being so helpful, for getting the repair done quickly, and for delaying return so it didn't arrive while I was away. It's really nice to have it back, and (so far!) working fine. It didn't magically turn into a none-more-black model, but ah well... :-) I now wonder how much of what I'd previously put down to poor network performance was actually due to the adapter flaking out... -- Brian -- Brian Ritchie Brian Ritchie's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2319 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34441 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Looks like my SB3 has died
I'm in discussion with Tech Support at the moment. Looks like my SB3 would need to be returned for repair. As it's not under warranty, I presumed that the repair cost plus postage would be prohibitive; but at the moment it's not looking too bad (assuming I've got my calculations right: $90 repair, possibly around 15 pounds postage, presumably a similar amount for the return postage). I guess it will take a while; but probably no longer than it would take me to get a replacement. (I might get another one anyway - all-black envy! :-) Hmm, I wonder if I could get a black faceplate for it at the same time... !) Has anyone had experience of (post-warranty) repairs from the UK? -- Brian -- Brian Ritchie Brian Ritchie's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2319 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34441 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Looks like my SB3 has died
If you're still within the warranty period, Slim Devices will pay for shipping it back and send you a new one. Just open a ticket with their support group. I recently had a failure on my SB3 as well and I had a great experience with SD support even though I am in Japan. -- devin devin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6874 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34441 ___ discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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devin;195062 Wrote: If you're still within the warranty period, Slim Devices will pay for shipping it back and send you a new one. Just open a ticket with their support group. I recently had a failure on my SB3 as well and I had a great experience with SD support even though I am in Japan. Alas, my SB3 is 1.3 years old, and so (I think!) it's out of warranty. But it probably wouldn't do any harm to get in touch with SD support anyway. This forum's been so good in the past that it was my first port of call! -- Brian -- Brian Ritchie Brian Ritchie's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2319 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34441 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Looks like my SB3 has died
whdean;194782 Wrote: Have you tried unplugging and plugging power back in while holding down the Add button (Remote aimed at the SB3, of course)? Thanks; I've tried this several times, but it doesn't seem to work either. There's a small chance that it could be the display that's gone, but I doubt it. I think I'm going to have to write it off - though the final resort will be to open it up and see if anything is obviously loose (which I might be able to fix) or fried (which I won't). I could look on the bright side and see this as an excuse to get an all-black model! Looks like they're quite hard to source in the UK at the moment, but I won't be getting it for a weeks anyway. In the meantime, I can still plug my iPod into the hifi, but it just isn't the same by any means! -- Brian -- Brian Ritchie Brian Ritchie's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2319 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34441 ___ discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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Maybe I missed it, but did you try a hardwired Ethernet connection to see if that works? Not particularly related to your problem, but is there a HomePlug-style option available in the UK? Could help reduce/eliminate the wireless problems you've had. -- Balthazar_B Balthazar_B's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7366 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34441 ___ discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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Restart the SlimServer server and see if it makes any difference. But I think you're probably right to be concerned if there's no splash screen when you plug in the SB3. After restarting the server try a wired connection and see if the player connects to the server and can be seen in the web interface. With any luck maybe only the display died, which would mean you could still control it from the web interface and still play music. -- JJZolx Jim JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34441 ___ discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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Balthazar_B;194763 Wrote: Maybe I missed it, but did you try a hardwired Ethernet connection to see if that works? I tried it just now, but no joy: no display, SS doesn't find it, and the router doesn't list it as a client. Not particularly related to your problem, but is there a HomePlug-style option available in the UK? Could help reduce/eliminate the wireless problems you've had. I suspect that HomePlug isn't an option for us. It is available in the UK, but I'd probably need to add more wall sockets to use it! (I've read that it's not effective when plugged into extension cables - more so if they have surge protection.) It's something I'd consider trying, but only if I could take it back for a full refund if it didn't work. But thanks for the suggestions. -- Brian -- Brian Ritchie Brian Ritchie's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2319 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34441 ___ discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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JJZolx;194765 Wrote: Restart the SlimServer server and see if it makes any difference. But I think you're probably right to be concerned if there's no splash screen when you plug in the SB3. After restarting the server try a wired connection and see if the player connects to the server and can be seen in the web interface. With any luck maybe only the display died, which would mean you could still control it from the web interface and still play music. Thanks for the suggestions. I'd already tried a wired connection (albeit through my router, though the same connection and cable worked last time I tried it with another PC). I hadn't tried restarting SS, but that doesn't work either. The SB3 almost always had to be mummied through startup (in that I had to press the power button to wake it up, then press it again when it went from Waking SlimServer... to Connecting to SlimServer...). So if it's the display that's gone, I won't know when to do the second button-press! However, I'm fairly sure that the router reported it in the client list before the first on-button press, and it's not showing it now; so I think it's worse than a display failure. -- Brian -- Brian Ritchie Brian Ritchie's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2319 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34441 ___ discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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Have you tried unplugging and plugging power back in while holding down the Add button (Remote aimed at the SB3, of course)? That forces a hard rest, back to factory condition. If you don't get the splash screen w/in a few seconds (Give it 30 seconds to reset the device), then I would say you have a hardware problem - But the hard reset could also be the solution. Thanks. -- whdean whdean's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9127 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34441 ___ discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
