Re: [slim] Plans if Logitech pulls the plug ?

2020-03-12 Thread mlsstl


I've been a user since I brought one of the original SliMP3s somewhere
around 20 years ago, then moved to the Classic/SB3 and currently have a
pair of Touches and a SB Radio. All are working just fine (though I have
expanded with a pair of Raspberry Pi players with HiFiBerry HATs.) 

While I certainly don't want the devices to break or Logitech to drop
support for LMS, I sure can't complain if those things happen as I've
gotten more than my money's worth from them. 

Interestingly, I'm currently in a Roon trial to see if their extra bells
and whistles are worth the annual subscription fee. That service does
support the Squeezebox and RPi players as well as other equipment. Not
sure where my decision on that is going to land here in a few weeks, but
the one thing I do know is that I won't be out of business no matter
what the SB players or Logitech decide to do. 

Slimdevices was one of the most far-sighted and innovative products
around, but, in the computer world, even the best stuff eventually gets
passed. The nice thing is we aren't yet to that point.



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Re: [slim] Plans if Logitech pulls the plug ?

2020-03-10 Thread kappclark


I just found the 2009 (!) receipt for my duet system, which is still
serving the home well...I have become so attached to the platform, and
the support of this forum has been wonderful.



--
Bill Clark, Windham, VT

Logitech Media Server Version: 7.9.3 - 1582867832 @ Sat Feb 29 05:28:22
CET 2020
Hostname: ubuntu-lms  - ProxMox Virtual Environment 5.4-3 | Ubuntu 16.04
xenial
piCorePlayer | piCorePlayer v5.0.0 | linux 4.19.40-pcpCore_v7 | piCore
v10.1pCP | Squeezelite v1.9.2-1158-pCP
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Re: [slim] Plans if Logitech pulls the plug ?

2020-03-10 Thread Gobuleberbu

The way I see it, there are numerous advantages of the lms plateform
over competitors that a commercial company could use in its products.  

For one, there is the squeezelite player which could be installed in any
connected radio.  Making them compatible with lms. In the past, we’ve
seen many network streamers becoming Roon ready.  Being squeeze ready
would be quite the thing for the future of the platform.  

There is also the possibility to control lms with a home automation
setup.  Although not really plug and play, an integrator could manage to
make it work beautifully.  Can’t say that of play-fi.

Also, the server is compatible with every platform out there.  Mac,
Linux windows, x86 or arm.  Beautiful!!

The new material interface is a strong selling point as lms was
considered as having an aging interface.  If Logitech pulls the plug, I
wonder if another company would be interested in a rebranded initiative
built over lms.  If I were in the speaker industry, I’d be vey
interested by this product.





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Re: [slim] Plans if Logitech pulls the plug ?

2020-02-27 Thread bpa


toby10 wrote: 
> highly unlikely
+1

Smart speakers have taken over and having seen the problem that Sonos
have got into after Google stabbed them in the back - I doubt if
Logitech will go back.



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Re: [slim] Plans if Logitech pulls the plug ?

2020-02-27 Thread toby10


spt87a wrote: 
> Any chance that Logitech would un-pull the plug?  By that I mean bring
> out new streaming radios based on the Squeezebox technology?

highly unlikely



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Re: [slim] Plans if Logitech pulls the plug ?

2020-02-26 Thread Paul Webster


They have just released a 400USD Bluetooth speaker - under their
Ultimate Ears brand (where Squeezebox hardware finished) so they do not
limit themselves to cheap computer hardware.



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Re: [slim] Plans if Logitech pulls the plug ?

2020-02-26 Thread spt87a


Any chance that Logitech would un-pull the plug?  By that I mean bring
out new streaming radios based on the Squeezebox technology?

Radio streaming is much more mainstream than it was when the
Squeezeboxes were produced and the idea of paying a monthly subscription
fee for the online service is more accepted as well.  New players and a
subscription fee for an upgraded and revitalized mysb.com could be
viable?

I know there are more competitors with Alexa, phones, etc. than back
then but there are other companies making internet radios as well and
seem to have enough success to stay in the game.  I've considered
switching to one of them but I'm not familiar with how they work, if
they will keep working should it become abandoned and this remained
viable so I've doubled down on it - just bought a Transporter to go with
my Boom along with using the Windows clients some.

Maybe Logitech just wants to stay in the low cost PC add on business 
keyboards, mice, speakers - all lower cost items with minimal software;
but the Squeezebox line certainly has a strong fan base even after all
these years with no new product.



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Re: [slim] Plans if Logitech pulls the plug ?

2020-01-31 Thread alfista


chopinhauer wrote: 
> But if Logitech pulls the plug surely at least my current set up will
> still work. Correct?
Correct, up to a point. It won't halt the minute Logitech shuts down the
servers, but it may still affect you in a longer run.
Considering that the Squeezeboxes were always a bit of a niche product,
and how long it was since it was dropped, there is still a pretty robust
ecosystem and user base. It's obviously not on an upward trajectory, but
there are some heroes that manage to keep it relevant with new
adaptations and additions in reaction to how use patterns and delivery
methods change.
If servers were shut down and this forum closed the natural hubs that
some of this work depend upon are lost. Fully replacing them will not be
trivial if at all possible and that could, in a pessimistic scenario,
lead to the end of support and development.
For a user that only use a local music library and a handful of plugins
it would not immediately change anything, but you could experience a
gradual loss of functions. If you need to migrate your server to a more
recent operating system, LMS may not fully operate on that without
updates, new network security protocols may block crucial resources for
LMS or plugins etc. It is very much a community effort today, but the
community is helped by the resources Logitech supplies.
Sounds like doom and gloom, but what I'm saying is that life with LMS
will be easier for all of us as long as it is a maintained product. It
could very well go on for years without Logitech sponsorship, but I
don't think a transition would be without major hassles, resources
scattered and some developers losing interest.



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Re: [slim] Plans if Logitech pulls the plug ?

2020-01-30 Thread Paul Webster


chopinhauer wrote: 
> But if Logitech pulls the plug surely at least my current set up will
> still work. Correct?

Correct.
Easy way to verify it ... disconnect your broadband connection and  then
restart LMS.
You will probably get a few errors reported in the logs but it will
work.



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Re: [slim] Plans if Logitech pulls the plug ?

2020-01-30 Thread chopinhauer


Can I ask a naive question. For someone like me who just uses my
squeezeboxes and LMS to stream music from a local server, isn't this
setup impervious so long as I have the hardware and LMS software plus
relevant plugins such as Airplay to feed my Liberatone Zipp. I
understand as technology and society move forward my system can't evolve
to take advantage of changes. But if Logitech pulls the plug surely at
least my current set up will still work. Correct?



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Re: [slim] Plans if Logitech pulls the plug ?

2020-01-30 Thread FredFredrickson


edwin2006 wrote: 
> For me, no problem to donate to keep this forum and development alive. I
> guess a lot feel the same way.

Absolutely. I would hope if Logitech plans to pull the plug, they could
give us a month to transition. That would be more than enough time to
migrate.



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Re: [slim] Plans if Logitech pulls the plug ?

2020-01-30 Thread edwin2006


For me, no problem to donate to keep a forum like this live and I guess
a lot feel the same way.



*SqueezeBoxes:* 1x Transporter (Living room) 1x SB2 (shed), 1x Radio
(Kitchen), 1x Boom (Dining room), 1x piCorePlayer (jacuzzi), 1x
piCorePlayer (Garden) 1x OSMC + Squeezelite (Movie room), 1x Touch
(Study 2), few spare unit's
*Server:* LMS on Pi3 7.9.1. on PcP 3.21
*Network:* AVM Fritzbox, Netgear Smart Switch 24p, 3x Ubiquity

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Re: [slim] Plans if Logitech pulls the plug ?

2020-01-30 Thread FredFredrickson


w3wilkes wrote: 
> Base price on your storage is $250 USD or the cloud option starts @ $15
> a month and goes up from there depending on storage requirements.

Good to know. Not the worst, though there are so many free BB scripts
out there. 

If fit hit the shan and somebody got a database dump i'm sure it's not
that hard to migrate some of this data to an open source forum.



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Re: [slim] Plans if Logitech pulls the plug ?

2020-01-30 Thread pablolie


Logitech has already pulled the plug, for the most part.

The biggest danger to the ecosystem will always be the loss of plugin
development. The Spotifys etc of the world keep evolving their API, and
eventually the ecosystem would be left only being able to play our home
libraries in a very static environment that ultimately would become
obsolete. I once thought I could freeze my environment at a stable old
release running on an old Ubuntu release, but that did prove unfeasible.



...pablo
Server: Virtual Machine (on VMware Workstation) running Ubuntu 18.04 +
LMS 7.9.1
System: SB Touch --optical->- Benchmark DAC2HGC --AnalysisPlus Oval
Copper XLR->- NAD M22 Power Amp --AnalysisPlus Black Mesh Oval->- KEF
Reference 1
Other Rooms: 2x SB Boom; 1x SB Radio; 1x SB Classic-> NAD D7050 -> Totem
DreamCatcher + Velodyne Minivee Sub
Computer audio: workstation --USB->- audioengine D1 -> Grado RS1/Shure
1540

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Re: [slim] Plans if Logitech pulls the plug ?

2020-01-28 Thread Christian Schoepplein
FredFredrickson wrote:
>
> I've volunteered it in the past but I'm more than happy to do so
> again... if anybody wants to put together a backup vbulletin or other
> type of board, I will gladly donate the hosting indefinitely. I run a
> design company and have run a reseller account since 2002 and have no
> problem dedicating the space.

I can also offer webspace with php and databases and / or a seperate
mailinglistserver for free if needed. Just let me know if something is
needed, would be glad to help!

Ciao,

  Schoepp


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Re: [slim] Plans if Logitech pulls the plug ?

2020-01-27 Thread w3wilkes


FredFredrickson wrote: 
> VBulletin is free I believe.

Base price on your storage is $250 USD or the cloud option starts @ $15
a month and goes up from there depending on storage requirements.



Main system - Rock Solid with LMS 7.9.1 Official on WHS 2011 - 2 Duets
and Squeeseslave
Cabin system - Rock solid with LMS 7.9.1 Official on Win10 Pro - 1 RPi 3
Model B/Hifiberry DAC+ Pro/PiCorePlayer and Squeezeslave
Headphones and car - Android phone/Bluetooth w/full library on MicroSD
card - PowerAmp music player app (similar to Material Skin)

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Re: [slim] Plans if Logitech pulls the plug ?

2020-01-26 Thread FredFredrickson


VBulletin is free I believe. Easy enough to install. Whoever
administrates this site would need to export the database if/when this
site was closing if you wanted to archive what we already have.



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Re: [slim] Plans if Logitech pulls the plug ?

2020-01-26 Thread RonM


FredFredrickson wrote: 
> I've volunteered it in the past but I'm more than happy to do so
> again... if anybody wants to put together a backup vbulletin or other
> type of board, I will gladly donate the hosting indefinitely. I run a
> design company and have run a reseller account since 2002 and have no
> problem dedicating the space.
> 
> Anybody say the word.


This would be great! I don't have the expertise to do it myself, but
maybe someone else will step up. Even just setting up an empty dummy
site would be useful, we could link to it and if the worst happened
could start from scratch. 

Would be extra great (but perhaps it would be asking too much) if an
archive of posts in at least some of the forums could also be archived
from time to time. 

R.



LMS on a dedicated server (FitPC3)
Transporter (Ethernet) - main listening, Onkyo receiver, Paradigm
speakers
Touch (WiFi) - home theater 5.1, Sony receiver, Energy speakers
Boom 1 (WiFi) - work-space
Boom 2 (WiFi) - various (deck, garage, etc.)
Radio (WiFi) - home office
Control - Squeeze Control (Android mobile), 2 Controllers (seldom used),
Squeeze Remote (on Surface Pro 4)
Touch x 1 - spare
UE Radio x 1 - spare
Boom x 1 - spare
Controller x 1 - Spare
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Re: [slim] Plans if Logitech pulls the plug ?

2020-01-22 Thread FredFredrickson


I've volunteered it in the past but I'm more than happy to do so
again... if anybody wants to put together a backup vbulletin or other
type of board, I will gladly donate the hosting indefinitely. I run a
design company and have run a reseller account since 2002 and have no
problem dedicating the space.

Anybody say the word.



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Re: [slim] Plans if Logitech pulls the plug ?

2020-01-22 Thread garym


echable wrote: 
> Not working for me either, I think it's more for static web pages than
> forums.

yes, wayback machine is static snapshots of webpages at a certain point
in time. Not very useful for searching, etc.



*Home:* VBA 4TB (2.5)>LMS 7.9.2>Transporter, Touch, Boom, Radio (all
ethernet)
*Cottage:* VBA 3TB (2.4)>LMS 7.9.1>Touch>Benchmark DAC I, Boom, Radio
w/Battery (ethernet, Radio WIFI)
*Office:* Win10(64)>LMS 7.9.2>Squeezelite
*The Wild (no internet): *PiCorePlayer 4.0 on rPi 3B+, hifiberry
Dac+Pro, 4TB USB (LMS & Squeezelite) 
*Controllers:* iPhone6 & iPadAir2 (iPeng), CONTROLLER, or SqueezePlay
7.8 on Win10(64) laptop
*Files:* ripping: dbpa > FLAC; post-rip: mp3tag, PerfectTunes;
Streaming: Spotify

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Re: [slim] Plans if Logitech pulls the plug ?

2020-01-22 Thread echable


RobbH wrote: 
> 
> Thanks for that. I should have thought of the internet archive. That may
> be a valuable resource. However, so far my attempts to access any
> content there have failed. I'm probably doing something wrong, but I
> wonder if it's working for anyone else.
> 

Not working for me either, I think it's more for static web pages than
forums.



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Re: [slim] Plans if Logitech pulls the plug ?

2020-01-22 Thread garym


RobbH wrote: 
> it is true that LMS installations will still work and all services that
> do not depend on msb.com will continue to work. But the community of
> users may be scattered and crucial information may be lost.

True, the greatest lost would be the community of users here. Hopefully
the word could get out somehow about a new gathering spot.



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ethernet)
*Cottage:* VBA 3TB (2.4)>LMS 7.9.1>Touch>Benchmark DAC I, Boom, Radio
w/Battery (ethernet, Radio WIFI)
*Office:* Win10(64)>LMS 7.9.2>Squeezelite
*The Wild (no internet): *PiCorePlayer 4.0 on rPi 3B+, hifiberry
Dac+Pro, 4TB USB (LMS & Squeezelite) 
*Controllers:* iPhone6 & iPadAir2 (iPeng), CONTROLLER, or SqueezePlay
7.8 on Win10(64) laptop
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Re: [slim] Plans if Logitech pulls the plug ?

2020-01-22 Thread RobbH


mherger wrote: 
> > Should we be thinking about attempting something similar?
> 
> This question has come up ever since Logitech announced the end of SB 
> years ago. I'd wait until the real end has been announced. Unless you're
> 
> willing to spend a lot of time, effort and ressources on moving
> elsewhere.
> 
> -- 
> 
> Michael

Thanks. No, I confess, I'm like the mouse who suggests tying a bell to
the cat in an old fable. I'm willing to suggest action, but not to
undertake it myself. I think you understand how Logitech operates better
than anyone else, so if you are confident that there will be enough
advance warning of a shutdown, I accept that.

I do want to emphasize that I am NOT as concerned about technical issues
as with social and informational aspects. If we should find one morning
that mysqueezebox.com has been shut down and the slimdevices sites are
no longer accessible, it is true that LMS installations will still work
and all services that do not depend on msb.com will continue to work.
But the community of users may be scattered and crucial information may
be lost.

Note that I say these things "may" happen, not that they certainly will
happen.

garym wrote: 
> don't know how complete this would be, or how easy to search, but there
> is the "wayback" machine at archive.org.
> https://web.archive.org/web/*/slimdevices

Thanks for that. I should have thought of the internet archive. That may
be a valuable resource. However, so far my attempts to access any
content there have failed. I'm probably doing something wrong, but I
wonder if it's working for anyone else.

I do not intend to lose any sleep over this, but I hope we are not
setting ourselves up to be blindsided.



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Re: [slim] Plans if Logitech pulls the plug ?

2020-01-22 Thread Tuneman


I have been using a Squeezebox Touch for 8 years and have been hearing
fears of it becoming obsolete for many years. I figured I would have had
to replace it by now due to lack of support. But now I am enjoying it
more than I ever have due to new plugins that continue to appear from
developers keeping the LMS updated to current trends.
I especially like the Qobuz and Radio Paradise plugins developed by
Michael as they work flawlessly for me and enjoy them daily.
Agree with the assessment bpa made about worrying later and enjoying the
music now!



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Re: [slim] Plans if Logitech pulls the plug ?

2020-01-22 Thread garym


don't know how complete this would be, or how easy to search, but there
is the "wayback" machine at archive.org.
https://web.archive.org/web/*/slimdevices



*Home:* VBA 4TB (2.5)>LMS 7.9.2>Transporter, Touch, Boom, Radio (all
ethernet)
*Cottage:* VBA 3TB (2.4)>LMS 7.9.1>Touch>Benchmark DAC I, Boom, Radio
w/Battery (ethernet, Radio WIFI)
*Office:* Win10(64)>LMS 7.9.2>Squeezelite
*The Wild (no internet): *PiCorePlayer 4.0 on rPi 3B+, hifiberry
Dac+Pro, 4TB USB (LMS & Squeezelite) 
*Controllers:* iPhone6 & iPadAir2 (iPeng), CONTROLLER, or SqueezePlay
7.8 on Win10(64) laptop
*Files:* ripping: dbpa > FLAC; post-rip: mp3tag, PerfectTunes;
Streaming: Spotify

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Re: [slim] Plans if Logitech pulls the plug ?

2020-01-22 Thread Michael Herger

This topic appears every few years - people agonise over "what if" and
often nothing stops.
People worried that players would die - then Pi's appeared and now also
SqueezeAMP
People worried about no new plugins/development as many "veteran"
developers withdrew - new guys stepped up.

It is likely some warning will be given so worry then and enjoy music
now.


Nicely put - thanks bpa!

--

Michael
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Re: [slim] Plans if Logitech pulls the plug ?

2020-01-22 Thread bpa


echable wrote: 
> I would happily pay a one-time lifetime subscription fee, like I've done
> with e.g. Subsonic music server, or even a monthly fee, if that could be
> a feasible solution to keep Tidal support etc. running when (I suppose
> saying -if- is just fooling myself) Logitech withdraws. On top of
> the normal Tidal fee, of course. Could that be a feasible solution for
> what is essentially (if I understand correctly) then an open-source
> project ?

Chances are any solution you think of today will be out of date if
dreaded day arrives. Organisation like Tidal will not deal with
individuals or communities - so something commercial would be
necessary.

This topic appears every few years - people agonise over "what if" and
often nothing stops.
People worried that players would die - then Pi's appeared and now also
SqueezeAMP
People worried about no new plugins/development as many "veteran"
developers withdrew - new guys stepped up.

It is likely some warning will be given so worry then and enjoy music
now.



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Re: [slim] Plans if Logitech pulls the plug ?

2020-01-21 Thread echable


mherger wrote: 
> > As far as I've understood, LMS originated in Logitech hardware that
> is
> > no longer produced, and using LMS is still dependant on Logitech
> itself
> > keeping certain services running. For example, I understand e.g Tidal
> > support is dependant on Logitech maintaining a license agreement with
> > Tidal.
> > 
> > What happens when/if they decide to not do this anymore ? Are there
> any
> > possibilities to keep LMS going or could it be dead any day if
> Logitech
> > decides to no longer support it ?
> 
> LMS will continue to work. But some of the music services will 
> disappear, like eg. TIDAL. Until somebody comes up with an alternative 
> implementation.
> 
> -- 
> 
> Michael


I would happily pay a one-time lifetime subscription fee, like I've done
with e.g. Subsonic music server, or even a monthly fee, if that could be
a feasible solution to keep Tidal support etc. running when (I suppose
saying -if- is just fooling myself) Logitech withdraws. Could that
be a feasible solution for what is essentially (if I understand
correctly) then an open-source project ?



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Re: [slim] Plans if Logitech pulls the plug ?

2020-01-21 Thread Michael Herger

Should we be thinking about attempting something similar?


This question has come up ever since Logitech announced the end of SB 
years ago. I'd wait until the real end has been announced. Unless you're 
willing to spend a lot of time, effort and ressources on moving elsewhere.


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Re: [slim] Plans if Logitech pulls the plug ?

2020-01-21 Thread RobbH


mherger wrote: 
> >LMS will continue to work. But some of the music services will 
> disappear, like eg. TIDAL. Until somebody comes up with an alternative 
> implementation.
> 
> -- 
> 
> Michael

Perhaps the most troubling part of this is that these forums will
disappear when Logitech pulls the plug. So will the wiki and any other
information sources still on slimdevices.com. I think the loss of all
that knowledge will be far more serious than the shutdown of
mysqueezebox.com.

Not quite ten years ago, as the old Nokia phone division was falling
apart (prior to its "rescue" by Microsoft), it shut down its line of
experimental, Linux-based smartphones. But before it pulled the plug on
the website at maemo.org, some very dedicated users managed to put
together a volunteer organization to take over the website, and it's
still online today. It's not exactly a hive of activity, but I just
checked it out for the first time in many years, and I see current posts
in the forum there.

Should we be thinking about attempting something similar?



LMS (recent) running on Debian X86_64; 5 Squeezelite players (3 in
PiCorePlayer), 3 players connected via Airplay Bridge
1 Squeezebox Radio (upgraded UE Smart Radio) now mostly retired

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Re: [slim] Plans if Logitech pulls the plug ?

2020-01-21 Thread Michael Herger

As far as I've understood, LMS originated in Logitech hardware that is
no longer produced, and using LMS is still dependant on Logitech itself
keeping certain services running. For example, I understand e.g Tidal
support is dependant on Logitech maintaining a license agreement with
Tidal.

What happens when/if they decide to not do this anymore ? Are there any
possibilities to keep LMS going or could it be dead any day if Logitech
decides to no longer support it ?


LMS will continue to work. But some of the music services will 
disappear, like eg. TIDAL. Until somebody comes up with an alternative 
implementation.


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