Re: [SH-Discuss] Group discounts

[Craig Bergdorf]

I have mentioned in the past the difference in opinion in what a discount
is when there is little incentive to buy.  To me the discounts are not high
enough to incentive "hey let's both be members" when, as Torrie has
mentioned in the past, the only difference is a vote.  What married couple
would vote two different ways?, What married couple would see this and this
alone as something providing value?  If one partner has gone the extra mile
to financially support us what is the incentive to 'do it again'?

My thought on this from long ago was $50/mo covers a couple and any kids
that live with them acting as one entity in the space. This follows other
organizations that do not require money to enjoy, unlike others, cell
phones for example, that each member is getting direct value they would not
have with out paying.
This is asking for a little bit more because you'll have more than just
yourself here, but not too much more because you could anyway.  Also, the
interview process would involve the family (or couple) applying as one
person, which I think is a better way to meet.  The same commitment based
percentage discounts could apply keeping everything simple.
On Mar 12, 2014 11:56 PM, "Michael Griesacker" 
wrote:

> I think family rates should be 10 to 15$ more per each additional member
> with no discounts for buying in advance. I'm fine with non family group
> rates as currently proposed.
>  On Mar 12, 2014 9:22 PM, "Omar Rassi"  wrote:
>
>> No problem, that's discuss is for! To help each other.
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 8:18 PM, Torrie Fischer > > wrote:
>>
>>> On Wednesday, March 12, 2014 22:01:21 Seeley, Tim wrote:
>>> > Would $94.50 be the rate paid by an individual paying 3 months at one
>>> time?
>>> >
>>> > (3*35) = 105
>>> > 10% of 105 = 10.5
>>> > 105-10.5=94.5
>>>
>>> Yeah, you're both right.
>>>
>>> I'm an engineer, I swear.
>>>
>>> >
>>> > V/R
>>> > Tim Seeley
>>> >
>>> > From: discuss-boun...@synhak.org [mailto:discuss-boun...@synhak.org]
>>> On
>>> > Behalf Of Omar Rassi Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2014 5:36 PM
>>> > To: SYN/HAK discussion list
>>> > Subject: Re: [SH-Discuss] Group discounts
>>> >
>>> > I think your 7 month 3 people example fall in the 20% discount if the
>>> > largest discount applies. Other than that I see no issue with this.
>>> Being
>>> > able to pay dues for multiple people seem like an more efficient
>>> structure
>>> > than having two different pricing plans (a family discount plan and
>>> bulk
>>> > membership plan).
>>> >
>>> > On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 5:21 PM, Torrie Fischer
>>> > mailto:tdfisc...@hackerbots.net>> wrote: I
>>> want
>>> > to resume our previous discussions about the family discount plans.
>>> >
>>> > Previous thread:
>>> >
>>> > https://synhak.org/pipermail/discuss/2014-January/006706.html
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > First, I agree with Andrew's suggestion that the student and senior
>>> rates
>>> > should be combined into one. $15 seems reasonable, yeah?
>>> >
>>> > Second, the discount system.
>>> >
>>> > I'd like to stick with the idea of being able to buy subscriptions in
>>> > blocks. However, I'd like to adopt a constant discount rate based on
>>> how
>>> > many unique individuals are being paid for, with a disjoint discount
>>> for
>>> > the number of months that are bought for a single person.
>>> >
>>> > Here's how I think it can be broken down for a single person:
>>> >
>>> > * 0% discount for 1 month
>>> > * 10% discount for 3 or more months
>>> >
>>> > And if it is for a whole group:
>>> >
>>> > * 15% discount for 2-6 people
>>> > * 20% discount for 7 or more
>>> >
>>> > If multiple discounts are available, the largest one will be used.
>>> >
>>> > Examples:
>>> >
>>> > * 1 person, 1 month: $35, 0% discount
>>> > * 1 person, 2 months: $70, 0% discount
>>> > * 1 person, 3 months: $101.5, 10% discount of $105
>>> > * 2 people, 1 month for each person: $59.50, 15% discount of $70
>>> > * 2 people, 2 months for each person: $119, 15% discount of $140
>>> > * 2 people, 3 months for each person: $178.50, 15% discount of $210
>>> > * 7 people, 3 months for each person: $624.75, 15% discount of $735
>>> >
>>> > This should be quite a bit simpler than the previous idea, and still
>>> keeps
>>> > with the original idea of making it easier for couples or families to
>>> > support themselves.
>>> >
>>> > Finally, I am considering developing a sliding scale for the low income
>>> > rate. I'm not too sure how that would get implemented, but charging a
>>> > percentage of membership dues based on the ability to pay seems a lot
>>> more
>>> > fair than pegging everyone at $15/mo, especially since we're all about
>>> > inclusiveness. ___
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>>> > Discuss@synhak.org
>>> > https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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>>> https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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[SH-Discuss] New Member Application: Philip Patinode

[a l]

Greetings everybody!

It is my pleasure to introduce our newest member applicant!
Philip has been coming to the space for quite some time and has been
instrumental in the build-out. He's put up with our haphazard hours and is
responsible for many of the action shots you see posted around the space
and in the most recent newsletter. He's been an active member on the
discuss@ list and at the physical space, his application has been a long
time coming and I look forward to hearing his introduction of himself.

He has expressed interest in having his membership voted on at the next
meeting(3/18) so at this point I give the floor to Philip and anyone with
questions for him. If any of that was misinformed please correct me.


in excellence,
Andrew L
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Re: [SH-Discuss] Group discounts

[Michael Griesacker]

I think family rates should be 10 to 15$ more per each additional member
with no discounts for buying in advance. I'm fine with non family group
rates as currently proposed.
 On Mar 12, 2014 9:22 PM, "Omar Rassi"  wrote:

> No problem, that's discuss is for! To help each other.
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 8:18 PM, Torrie Fischer 
> wrote:
>
>> On Wednesday, March 12, 2014 22:01:21 Seeley, Tim wrote:
>> > Would $94.50 be the rate paid by an individual paying 3 months at one
>> time?
>> >
>> > (3*35) = 105
>> > 10% of 105 = 10.5
>> > 105-10.5=94.5
>>
>> Yeah, you're both right.
>>
>> I'm an engineer, I swear.
>>
>> >
>> > V/R
>> > Tim Seeley
>> >
>> > From: discuss-boun...@synhak.org [mailto:discuss-boun...@synhak.org] On
>> > Behalf Of Omar Rassi Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2014 5:36 PM
>> > To: SYN/HAK discussion list
>> > Subject: Re: [SH-Discuss] Group discounts
>> >
>> > I think your 7 month 3 people example fall in the 20% discount if the
>> > largest discount applies. Other than that I see no issue with this.
>> Being
>> > able to pay dues for multiple people seem like an more efficient
>> structure
>> > than having two different pricing plans (a family discount plan and bulk
>> > membership plan).
>> >
>> > On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 5:21 PM, Torrie Fischer
>> > mailto:tdfisc...@hackerbots.net>> wrote: I
>> want
>> > to resume our previous discussions about the family discount plans.
>> >
>> > Previous thread:
>> >
>> > https://synhak.org/pipermail/discuss/2014-January/006706.html
>> >
>> >
>> > First, I agree with Andrew's suggestion that the student and senior
>> rates
>> > should be combined into one. $15 seems reasonable, yeah?
>> >
>> > Second, the discount system.
>> >
>> > I'd like to stick with the idea of being able to buy subscriptions in
>> > blocks. However, I'd like to adopt a constant discount rate based on how
>> > many unique individuals are being paid for, with a disjoint discount for
>> > the number of months that are bought for a single person.
>> >
>> > Here's how I think it can be broken down for a single person:
>> >
>> > * 0% discount for 1 month
>> > * 10% discount for 3 or more months
>> >
>> > And if it is for a whole group:
>> >
>> > * 15% discount for 2-6 people
>> > * 20% discount for 7 or more
>> >
>> > If multiple discounts are available, the largest one will be used.
>> >
>> > Examples:
>> >
>> > * 1 person, 1 month: $35, 0% discount
>> > * 1 person, 2 months: $70, 0% discount
>> > * 1 person, 3 months: $101.5, 10% discount of $105
>> > * 2 people, 1 month for each person: $59.50, 15% discount of $70
>> > * 2 people, 2 months for each person: $119, 15% discount of $140
>> > * 2 people, 3 months for each person: $178.50, 15% discount of $210
>> > * 7 people, 3 months for each person: $624.75, 15% discount of $735
>> >
>> > This should be quite a bit simpler than the previous idea, and still
>> keeps
>> > with the original idea of making it easier for couples or families to
>> > support themselves.
>> >
>> > Finally, I am considering developing a sliding scale for the low income
>> > rate. I'm not too sure how that would get implemented, but charging a
>> > percentage of membership dues based on the ability to pay seems a lot
>> more
>> > fair than pegging everyone at $15/mo, especially since we're all about
>> > inclusiveness. ___
>> > Discuss mailing list
>> > Discuss@synhak.org
>> > https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Re: [SH-Discuss] Group discounts

[Omar Rassi]

No problem, that's discuss is for! To help each other.


On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 8:18 PM, Torrie Fischer wrote:

> On Wednesday, March 12, 2014 22:01:21 Seeley, Tim wrote:
> > Would $94.50 be the rate paid by an individual paying 3 months at one
> time?
> >
> > (3*35) = 105
> > 10% of 105 = 10.5
> > 105-10.5=94.5
>
> Yeah, you're both right.
>
> I'm an engineer, I swear.
>
> >
> > V/R
> > Tim Seeley
> >
> > From: discuss-boun...@synhak.org [mailto:discuss-boun...@synhak.org] On
> > Behalf Of Omar Rassi Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2014 5:36 PM
> > To: SYN/HAK discussion list
> > Subject: Re: [SH-Discuss] Group discounts
> >
> > I think your 7 month 3 people example fall in the 20% discount if the
> > largest discount applies. Other than that I see no issue with this. Being
> > able to pay dues for multiple people seem like an more efficient
> structure
> > than having two different pricing plans (a family discount plan and bulk
> > membership plan).
> >
> > On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 5:21 PM, Torrie Fischer
> > mailto:tdfisc...@hackerbots.net>> wrote: I
> want
> > to resume our previous discussions about the family discount plans.
> >
> > Previous thread:
> >
> > https://synhak.org/pipermail/discuss/2014-January/006706.html
> >
> >
> > First, I agree with Andrew's suggestion that the student and senior rates
> > should be combined into one. $15 seems reasonable, yeah?
> >
> > Second, the discount system.
> >
> > I'd like to stick with the idea of being able to buy subscriptions in
> > blocks. However, I'd like to adopt a constant discount rate based on how
> > many unique individuals are being paid for, with a disjoint discount for
> > the number of months that are bought for a single person.
> >
> > Here's how I think it can be broken down for a single person:
> >
> > * 0% discount for 1 month
> > * 10% discount for 3 or more months
> >
> > And if it is for a whole group:
> >
> > * 15% discount for 2-6 people
> > * 20% discount for 7 or more
> >
> > If multiple discounts are available, the largest one will be used.
> >
> > Examples:
> >
> > * 1 person, 1 month: $35, 0% discount
> > * 1 person, 2 months: $70, 0% discount
> > * 1 person, 3 months: $101.5, 10% discount of $105
> > * 2 people, 1 month for each person: $59.50, 15% discount of $70
> > * 2 people, 2 months for each person: $119, 15% discount of $140
> > * 2 people, 3 months for each person: $178.50, 15% discount of $210
> > * 7 people, 3 months for each person: $624.75, 15% discount of $735
> >
> > This should be quite a bit simpler than the previous idea, and still
> keeps
> > with the original idea of making it easier for couples or families to
> > support themselves.
> >
> > Finally, I am considering developing a sliding scale for the low income
> > rate. I'm not too sure how that would get implemented, but charging a
> > percentage of membership dues based on the ability to pay seems a lot
> more
> > fair than pegging everyone at $15/mo, especially since we're all about
> > inclusiveness. ___
> > Discuss mailing list
> > Discuss@synhak.org
> > https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Re: [SH-Discuss] Group discounts

[Torrie Fischer]

On Wednesday, March 12, 2014 22:01:21 Seeley, Tim wrote:
> Would $94.50 be the rate paid by an individual paying 3 months at one time?
> 
> (3*35) = 105
> 10% of 105 = 10.5
> 105-10.5=94.5

Yeah, you're both right.

I'm an engineer, I swear.

> 
> V/R
> Tim Seeley
> 
> From: discuss-boun...@synhak.org [mailto:discuss-boun...@synhak.org] On
> Behalf Of Omar Rassi Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2014 5:36 PM
> To: SYN/HAK discussion list
> Subject: Re: [SH-Discuss] Group discounts
> 
> I think your 7 month 3 people example fall in the 20% discount if the
> largest discount applies. Other than that I see no issue with this. Being
> able to pay dues for multiple people seem like an more efficient structure
> than having two different pricing plans (a family discount plan and bulk
> membership plan).
> 
> On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 5:21 PM, Torrie Fischer
> mailto:tdfisc...@hackerbots.net>> wrote: I want
> to resume our previous discussions about the family discount plans.
> 
> Previous thread:
> 
> https://synhak.org/pipermail/discuss/2014-January/006706.html
> 
> 
> First, I agree with Andrew's suggestion that the student and senior rates
> should be combined into one. $15 seems reasonable, yeah?
> 
> Second, the discount system.
> 
> I'd like to stick with the idea of being able to buy subscriptions in
> blocks. However, I'd like to adopt a constant discount rate based on how
> many unique individuals are being paid for, with a disjoint discount for
> the number of months that are bought for a single person.
> 
> Here's how I think it can be broken down for a single person:
> 
> * 0% discount for 1 month
> * 10% discount for 3 or more months
> 
> And if it is for a whole group:
> 
> * 15% discount for 2-6 people
> * 20% discount for 7 or more
> 
> If multiple discounts are available, the largest one will be used.
> 
> Examples:
> 
> * 1 person, 1 month: $35, 0% discount
> * 1 person, 2 months: $70, 0% discount
> * 1 person, 3 months: $101.5, 10% discount of $105
> * 2 people, 1 month for each person: $59.50, 15% discount of $70
> * 2 people, 2 months for each person: $119, 15% discount of $140
> * 2 people, 3 months for each person: $178.50, 15% discount of $210
> * 7 people, 3 months for each person: $624.75, 15% discount of $735
> 
> This should be quite a bit simpler than the previous idea, and still keeps
> with the original idea of making it easier for couples or families to
> support themselves.
> 
> Finally, I am considering developing a sliding scale for the low income
> rate. I'm not too sure how that would get implemented, but charging a
> percentage of membership dues based on the ability to pay seems a lot more
> fair than pegging everyone at $15/mo, especially since we're all about
> inclusiveness. ___
> Discuss mailing list
> Discuss@synhak.org
> https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss

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Re: [SH-Discuss] Group discounts

[Seeley, Tim (PSA-Akron)]

Would $94.50 be the rate paid by an individual paying 3 months at one time?

(3*35) = 105
10% of 105 = 10.5
105-10.5=94.5

V/R
Tim Seeley

From: discuss-boun...@synhak.org [mailto:discuss-boun...@synhak.org] On Behalf 
Of Omar Rassi
Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2014 5:36 PM
To: SYN/HAK discussion list
Subject: Re: [SH-Discuss] Group discounts

I think your 7 month 3 people example fall in the 20% discount if the largest 
discount applies. Other than that I see no issue with this. Being able to pay 
dues for multiple people seem like an more efficient structure than having two 
different pricing plans (a family discount plan and bulk membership plan).

On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 5:21 PM, Torrie Fischer 
mailto:tdfisc...@hackerbots.net>> wrote:
I want to resume our previous discussions about the family discount plans.

Previous thread:

https://synhak.org/pipermail/discuss/2014-January/006706.html


First, I agree with Andrew's suggestion that the student and senior rates
should be combined into one. $15 seems reasonable, yeah?

Second, the discount system.

I'd like to stick with the idea of being able to buy subscriptions in blocks.
However, I'd like to adopt a constant discount rate based on how many unique
individuals are being paid for, with a disjoint discount for the number of
months that are bought for a single person.

Here's how I think it can be broken down for a single person:

* 0% discount for 1 month
* 10% discount for 3 or more months

And if it is for a whole group:

* 15% discount for 2-6 people
* 20% discount for 7 or more

If multiple discounts are available, the largest one will be used.

Examples:

* 1 person, 1 month: $35, 0% discount
* 1 person, 2 months: $70, 0% discount
* 1 person, 3 months: $101.5, 10% discount of $105
* 2 people, 1 month for each person: $59.50, 15% discount of $70
* 2 people, 2 months for each person: $119, 15% discount of $140
* 2 people, 3 months for each person: $178.50, 15% discount of $210
* 7 people, 3 months for each person: $624.75, 15% discount of $735

This should be quite a bit simpler than the previous idea, and still keeps
with the original idea of making it easier for couples or families to support
themselves.

Finally, I am considering developing a sliding scale for the low income rate.
I'm not too sure how that would get implemented, but charging a percentage of
membership dues based on the ability to pay seems a lot more fair than pegging
everyone at $15/mo, especially since we're all about inclusiveness.
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Re: [SH-Discuss] Group discounts

[Omar Rassi]

I think your 7 month 3 people example fall in the 20% discount if the
largest discount applies. Other than that I see no issue with this. Being
able to pay dues for multiple people seem like an more efficient structure
than having two different pricing plans (a family discount plan and bulk
membership plan).


On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 5:21 PM, Torrie Fischer wrote:

> I want to resume our previous discussions about the family discount plans.
>
> Previous thread:
>
> https://synhak.org/pipermail/discuss/2014-January/006706.html
>
>
> First, I agree with Andrew's suggestion that the student and senior rates
> should be combined into one. $15 seems reasonable, yeah?
>
> Second, the discount system.
>
> I'd like to stick with the idea of being able to buy subscriptions in
> blocks.
> However, I'd like to adopt a constant discount rate based on how many
> unique
> individuals are being paid for, with a disjoint discount for the number of
> months that are bought for a single person.
>
> Here's how I think it can be broken down for a single person:
>
> * 0% discount for 1 month
> * 10% discount for 3 or more months
>
> And if it is for a whole group:
>
> * 15% discount for 2-6 people
> * 20% discount for 7 or more
>
> If multiple discounts are available, the largest one will be used.
>
> Examples:
>
> * 1 person, 1 month: $35, 0% discount
> * 1 person, 2 months: $70, 0% discount
> * 1 person, 3 months: $101.5, 10% discount of $105
> * 2 people, 1 month for each person: $59.50, 15% discount of $70
> * 2 people, 2 months for each person: $119, 15% discount of $140
> * 2 people, 3 months for each person: $178.50, 15% discount of $210
> * 7 people, 3 months for each person: $624.75, 15% discount of $735
>
> This should be quite a bit simpler than the previous idea, and still keeps
> with the original idea of making it easier for couples or families to
> support
> themselves.
>
> Finally, I am considering developing a sliding scale for the low income
> rate.
> I'm not too sure how that would get implemented, but charging a percentage
> of
> membership dues based on the ability to pay seems a lot more fair than
> pegging
> everyone at $15/mo, especially since we're all about inclusiveness.
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[SH-Discuss] Group discounts

[Torrie Fischer]

I want to resume our previous discussions about the family discount plans.

Previous thread:

https://synhak.org/pipermail/discuss/2014-January/006706.html


First, I agree with Andrew's suggestion that the student and senior rates 
should be combined into one. $15 seems reasonable, yeah?

Second, the discount system.

I'd like to stick with the idea of being able to buy subscriptions in blocks. 
However, I'd like to adopt a constant discount rate based on how many unique 
individuals are being paid for, with a disjoint discount for the number of 
months that are bought for a single person.

Here's how I think it can be broken down for a single person:

* 0% discount for 1 month
* 10% discount for 3 or more months

And if it is for a whole group:

* 15% discount for 2-6 people
* 20% discount for 7 or more

If multiple discounts are available, the largest one will be used.

Examples:

* 1 person, 1 month: $35, 0% discount
* 1 person, 2 months: $70, 0% discount
* 1 person, 3 months: $101.5, 10% discount of $105
* 2 people, 1 month for each person: $59.50, 15% discount of $70
* 2 people, 2 months for each person: $119, 15% discount of $140
* 2 people, 3 months for each person: $178.50, 15% discount of $210
* 7 people, 3 months for each person: $624.75, 15% discount of $735

This should be quite a bit simpler than the previous idea, and still keeps 
with the original idea of making it easier for couples or families to support 
themselves.

Finally, I am considering developing a sliding scale for the low income rate. 
I'm not too sure how that would get implemented, but charging a percentage of 
membership dues based on the ability to pay seems a lot more fair than pegging 
everyone at $15/mo, especially since we're all about inclusiveness.

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[SH-Discuss] TechPint II Akron - Video blogged

[gs volt]

I went to TechPint II Akron on 3/6 and volunteered guerrilla videography.

I'm sure there is a 'god of guerrilla videography' somewhere as that night
the organizers didn't have any video taping planned. The horror, I said!

{Cool folks come to my city and we don't tape them? This was unacceptable}

Find the video blog here:

http://gsvolt.wordpress.com/2014/03/06/techpint-ii-akron/

Hopefully you'll learn about the stories the speakers had to share during
the event.

They've been through setting up their own businesses in Akron and
succeeded.

I hope this inspires other people to consider setting up shop for
themselves, given enough time as well as networking.

-G
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Re: [SH-Discuss] 3d printer

[Becca Salchak]

thank you Torrie

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[Becca Salchak]

thank you Torrie

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Re: [SH-Discuss] 3d printer

[Torrie Fischer]

On Wednesday, March 12, 2014 09:58:53 Becca Salchak wrote:
> Hey people who use the 3d printer,
> I am looking for some projects to print out, mostly cookie cutters. I've
> looked on thinginverse.com but there wasn't much. what other sources do you
> suggests looking at.
> -Becca

If you can create some kind of line drawing, I can put it into inkscape and 
generate an STL for it.

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[SH-Discuss] 3d printer

[Becca Salchak]

Hey people who use the 3d printer,
I am looking for some projects to print out, mostly cookie cutters. I've
looked on thinginverse.com but there wasn't much. what other sources do you
suggests looking at.
-Becca


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Re: [SH-Discuss] Proposal to grant AWS and infastructure access.

[a l]

Brief of topic bit: At some point I was giving moderator abilities to board@,I
was never told the password and as I am no longer on the board I do not
believe it is pepper for me to have access to emails that get bonderd from
this list. though most are spam, eventually one with content not intended
for me could come through.
If those with the abilities could remove me from that list it would be
great.

Regards,
Andrew
On Mar 12, 2014 8:57 AM, "Torrie Fischer"  wrote:

> On Wednesday, March 12, 2014 00:12:28 Justin Herman wrote:
> > SynHak.org is a community resource available to all, members seeking
> access
> > can be trusted as long as they are members in good standing. Just as keys
> > to the space are granted to members in good standing, keys to our
> "virtual
> > space" should be granted as well.
> >
> > I propose power user access with sudo/admin access to AWS and all SynHak
> > infrastructure, be granted to the following members...
> >
> > Craig Bergdorf
> > Justin Herman
> > Alex Kot
> >
> > These members in good standing and wish to support and improve the
> > infrastructure of SynHak.org and ancillary services. In addition each has
> > experience in the information security field.
>
> Ok, thats quite admirable.
>
> So what do they want to do? I'm not too big on the idea of handing out the
> keys to the kingdom "just because". Theres gotta be a compelling reason
> for me
> to give such broad and sweeping access to synhak.org infrastructure. The
> wrong
> button or API call could easily cost us a lot more money than we're already
> paying.
>
> I'm questioning why Justin is on that list though.
>
> Previously, I had asked to send me a GPG signed copy of the SSH key wanted,
> and that I'd need to go through the keysigning protocol to verify identity.
> After that, we'd need to set up MFA.
>
> I was sent a .txt.tar that was encrypted with what I assume is their public
> key, which requires the private key to decrypt. I assume its a public key
> because I could not find it on the key server network.
>
> As I said in the reply to that, I have serious concerns about Justin's
> security disciplines and capabilities. Crawling the 'net for a quick
> background check doesn't present evidence to the contrary, either.
>
> On a side note, Craig already has root access.
>
> >
> > Access to static and new usernames and passwords will be shared, within 5
> > days of the proposal's passage, to the members listed above.
> >
> >
> >
> > Justin
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Re: [SH-Discuss] Proposal to grant AWS and infastructure access.

[Torrie Fischer]

On Wednesday, March 12, 2014 00:12:28 Justin Herman wrote:
> SynHak.org is a community resource available to all, members seeking access
> can be trusted as long as they are members in good standing. Just as keys
> to the space are granted to members in good standing, keys to our "virtual
> space" should be granted as well.
> 
> I propose power user access with sudo/admin access to AWS and all SynHak
> infrastructure, be granted to the following members...
> 
> Craig Bergdorf
> Justin Herman
> Alex Kot
> 
> These members in good standing and wish to support and improve the
> infrastructure of SynHak.org and ancillary services. In addition each has
> experience in the information security field.

Ok, thats quite admirable.

So what do they want to do? I'm not too big on the idea of handing out the 
keys to the kingdom "just because". Theres gotta be a compelling reason for me 
to give such broad and sweeping access to synhak.org infrastructure. The wrong 
button or API call could easily cost us a lot more money than we're already 
paying.

I'm questioning why Justin is on that list though.

Previously, I had asked to send me a GPG signed copy of the SSH key wanted, 
and that I'd need to go through the keysigning protocol to verify identity. 
After that, we'd need to set up MFA.

I was sent a .txt.tar that was encrypted with what I assume is their public 
key, which requires the private key to decrypt. I assume its a public key 
because I could not find it on the key server network.

As I said in the reply to that, I have serious concerns about Justin's 
security disciplines and capabilities. Crawling the 'net for a quick 
background check doesn't present evidence to the contrary, either.

On a side note, Craig already has root access.

> 
> Access to static and new usernames and passwords will be shared, within 5
> days of the proposal's passage, to the members listed above.
> 
> 
> 
> Justin

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[SH-Discuss] a few quotes

[Seeley, Tim (PSA-Akron)]

"You are HERE to enable the world to live more amply, with a greater vision, 
with a finer spirit of hope and achievement." Woodrow Wilson

We IMAGINE a society in which people care about each other first. Simon Sinek

"People Centric Leadership captures and promotes the dignity and grace that we 
all deserve, and in doing so, inspires those around us to be their self-best. 
It is a 'kinetic' principle of humanity in motion. ..  Lisa A. Waite, 
M.A.,Communication Studies ,Kent State University


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Re: [SH-Discuss] Proposal to grant AWS and infastructure access.

[Torrie Fischer]

On Mar 12, 2014 1:45 AM, a l  wrote:
>
> I'm fairly certain this proposal is in response of the recent unilateral 
> censorship of discuss@ and perhaps subsequent complacency by those who 
> currently have the requested privileges.

You don't need sudo to handle the mailing lists. Actually, it is incredibly 
hard to moderate the lists from within www-0. IIRC, there are no tools you can 
run on the server, but there is listadmin.pl and the web ui for doing that from 
your own machine.

If people want to help with the lists as I've said many times before, I'm happy 
to give out the moderation password in person.

Emails require me to sign your GPG key using the usual identity verification 
protocol of seeing a government issued photo ID and paper copy of the key 
fingerprint.

Requesting sudo access to synhak.org without any prior indication that I should 
give that kind of trust is reckless behavior. Messing with it can cost synhak 
actual money.

>
> Regards,
> Andrew L
>
> On Mar 12, 2014 1:26 AM, "Chris Egeland"  wrote:
>>
>> Justin,
>>
>> In order to help make my decision on how I will vote on this proposal, I 
>> would like to ask a few questions.  Also, these questions are posed to Craig 
>> and Alex.
>>
>> 1.) What is your primary purpose for requesting access to AWS?
>> 2.) What problems with the current website and online infrastructure do you 
>> currently see that require AWS sudo access to solve?
>> 3.) What improvements can you offer to the overall infrastructure?
>> 4.) Are you familiar with Ansible, the configuration-management software 
>> used to configure, deploy and maintain servers?  If not, do you intend to 
>> learn about it?
>> Optional: 5.) We heavily utilize git and Github as our centralized source 
>> for Ansible plays, playbooks, configuration files, etc.  Please demonstrate 
>> git and Github competency by submitting a pull request to add your SSH 
>> public key to the appropriate repository.  I will accept said pull request 
>> upon the passage of this proposal.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Chris
>>
>> On Mar 12, 2014, at 12:12 AM, Justin Herman  wrote:
>>
>> > SynHak.org is a community resource available to all, members seeking 
>> > access can be trusted as long as they are members in good standing. Just 
>> > as keys to the space are granted to members in good standing, keys to our 
>> > "virtual space" should be granted as well.
>> >
>> > I propose power user access with sudo/admin access to AWS and all SynHak 
>> > infrastructure, be granted to the following members...
>> >
>> > Craig Bergdorf
>> > Justin Herman
>> > Alex Kot
>> >
>> > These members in good standing and wish to support and improve the 
>> > infrastructure of SynHak.org and ancillary services. In addition each has 
>> > experience in the information security field.
>> >
>> > Access to static and new usernames and passwords will be shared, within 5 
>> > days of the proposal's passage, to the members listed above.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Justin
>> >
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[SH-Discuss] Meeting minutes from 2014-03-11

[Phong]

Howdy, hakkers!

I've noticed that there was a meeting on 2014-03-11 and that the minutes are 
posted. They are visible on the web at 
https://synhak.org/wiki/Meetings/2014-3-11. I've also included them in this 
mail for reading at your leisure:

{{Infobox_meeting
|time=7PM
|date=2014-03-11
|venue=48 South Summit
|next=Meetings/2014-3-18
|previous=Meetings/2014-3-4
}}

This page was automatically copied from [[Meetings/Template]] by 
[[User:Phong]]. If you would like to change the structure of how meetings 
future perform, please make any modifications to [[Meetings/Template]]. If you 
would like to propose something at the meeting, send it to 
propos...@synhak.org, or bring it up at a meeting.

= Instructions =
* Read the instructions out loud for all to comprehend if there are new people 
present.
* '''Delete these instructions prior to posting completed minutes'''
* Pick a moderator and note-taker

== Note-taker ==
* Open a text editor to take down some '''detailed''' minutes.
** Detail is important. If it isn't written down, it never happened.
* Project the minutes and notes throughout the meeting
* Follow the instructions in the End of Meeting section at the appropriate time.
* Tell treasu...@synhak.org and secret...@synhak.org if there are new members. 
If the [[treasurer]] is already present, there is no need to email them.

== Moderator ==
* Make sure everyone gets a chance to speak
* Speak minimally yourself
* Keep the meeting moving
* Handle the membership voting process
* Be sure to thoroughly follow the procedure outlined in this document, as the 
template may occasionally change without warning.
** The order of things is also important. We induct new members prior to 
proposals, so that they too may have a say in things.

== Participants ==
* Say your name the first time you speak
* Remain on-topic
* Remain respectful of other participants

= Agenda =

* '''Note Taker:''' Craig
* '''Moderator:''' Alex

== Introduction and Names ==

* Invite a knowledgeable member to explain what SYNHAK is about, if anyone new 
is present:
SYNHAK is an infrastructure provider for people who want to make 
things. SYNHAK provides space, tools, and infrastructure to help others learn 
new skills and create cool things. SYNHAK exists through and depends on 
membership dues, donations, and the hard work of individuals such as ourselves. 
Our code of conduct is "Be excellent to each other."
* Round of introductions

*That Devin guy.
*Jeff: first meeting, came to open house, here to see what we're all about.  
Fix-it guy (EE, cars, kids)  
*Mike:  Here because someone left the front door open
*Chris: Finds things
*Becca: Does not take notes
*Tim: Highschool robotics coach
*Andrew: Still has to leave early
*Matt:Makes software and breaks home
*Andy – Prints in 3rd dimension
*Steve – Finds great deals for computers on CL
*Dave – deconstructs things and cant get htem put back together
*Chris E – Chills
*Torrie – Underestimate the spicyness of jalepenions 
*Craig – is typing, see monitor
*Alex - Moderate
–
*Tom: Computer engineer, likes to hack on robots and bikes/ebikes




== Announcements ==

Andrew: has frame for Philip's pictures,  it's on the pinball machine

Torrie: Ingenuityfest is this September, call for makers, grants available 
($500 to a few thousand).  Injunitycleveland.com (#)   I plans to do something 
with a graffiti laser and possibly fire.  G also a point of contact

Devin: Welding class tomorrow – free and open to the public 8pm. 22 signed up 
already, wear cotton clothes/ jeans/ long sleeve shirts/closed shoes

Devin: There was a board meeting yesterday, minutes were sent to discuss

Alex: Notacon is still April 10th to 13th, I'll be giving a talk, a few members 
will be there







Haha, the time machine works!!! Oh, wait theres a ripple...

== Membership ==



== Financial Report ==
* Assets: $20,646.34
** Current assets: $16482.63
** A/R: $2910.50
* Liabilities: $2361.26
** A/P: $1736.26

Budgets have unreliable totals at the moment, in the works, we have money, 
please payyour dies, nobody has paid for March.  Electric bill was paid today, 
including $70 deposit.  Total for last month ~$80,  Gas was ~$80-100 last month

Devin: water bill is in the process of transferring to 12 w 

Chris: We are behind on TWCBC, due to them not agreeing that we had a new 
billing address.  We are a few months behind.  Called today to request an ebill 
/ a new bill be sent to OSC 

Torrie: ~$330 + $7 late fee that will be fought tomorrow

== Proposals ==

Becca wants a key. She is a board member and would like to participate in open 
hours 
Torrie has been updating the proposals page 
Chris is proposing a bylaw amendment posted to the discuss list today  “I am 
hereby proposing the following amendment to the Bylaws:
Begin Bylaw Amendment
Amend Section 6.4.2 of the SYN/HAK Bylaws to read as follows:
The Board of Directors shall meet not less than once per year for the purposes 
of organization, election of board mem