Re: Jesuit institutions (was: on SJWs and feminists)
Oct 20, 2019, 00:56 by 321...@gmail.com: Daniel Pocock wrote: Bradley Kuhn and I both received part of our education in Jesuit institutions. Jesuit institutions Sorry, could you enlighten me, as I am not familiar with that phenomenon. As far as I googled out, they are open for non-Christian in principle, but how probable is it in practice, that a person who studied there (such as Mr. Kuhn) is a god-believer? I think they spread faith in God by fucking little kids. Jesuits are known for child abuse and I guess Daniel might tell about it but doesn't want to do it because of a trauma. I can understand that you don't want to talk about it when you have experienced something so bad as a child. The Jesuit province of Oregon in the northwest of the USA, which has institutions in the US states of Oregon, Washington State, Idaho, Montana and Alaska, reached an agreement in 2009 with some of the victims of abuse. Subsequently, it filed for bankruptcy, thereby preventing a possible class action suit for financial compensation by further abuse victims. After the victims had argued that this Jesuit province is still prosperous because it owns several universities, schools and properties, the Northwest Province agreed in March 2011 with about 500 abuse victims on compensation payments amounting to about 166 million US dollars. Many of the victims were Indians or indigenous peoples of Alaska. The abuse victims accused the Jesuits of using the region as a deportation point for problem priests. If they also raped Bradley Kuhn, I have less sympathy than with Daniel. Bradley Kuhn betrayed RMS and I will never forgive him for that. He no longer stands for free software, but for evil. That's why he takes so much money from Google! ___ Discussion mailing list Discussion@lists.fsfellowship.eu https://lists.fsfellowship.eu/mailman/listinfo/discussion
Re: on SJWs and feminists
Oct 18, 2019, 18:01 by anw...@rechtsanwalt-stehmann.de: Sometimes it is better and more reputable to have a bunch of enemies than such friends. Yeah, that's why no fake dancer here wants you for a boyfriend! Crawl back to your FSFE who help you again and again! You don't share your knowledge with us! We don't need it then either! I wanted to work with you, but you are too stupid to understand! ___ Discussion mailing list Discussion@lists.fsfellowship.eu https://lists.fsfellowship.eu/mailman/listinfo/discussion
Jesuit institutions (was: on SJWs and feminists)
Daniel Pocock wrote: > Bradley Kuhn and I both received part of our education in Jesuit institutions. > Jesuit institutions Sorry, could you enlighten me, as I am not familiar with that phenomenon. As far as I googled out, they are open for non-Christian in principle, but how probable is it in practice, that a person who studied there (such as Mr. Kuhn) is a god-believer? signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Discussion mailing list Discussion@lists.fsfellowship.eu https://lists.fsfellowship.eu/mailman/listinfo/discussion
Re: on SJWs and feminists
Oct 18, 2019, 15:17 by bugs@gnu.support: > I am not fascist, but I will tell to public that fascist have same > freedom and same rights as non-fascists. > I have the freedom to call every fascist a fascist. ___ Discussion mailing list Discussion@lists.fsfellowship.eu https://lists.fsfellowship.eu/mailman/listinfo/discussion
Re: on SJWs and feminists
Oct 18, 2019, 11:17 by ahil...@keemail.me: > Trump, Pocock, Hilter - brothers in spirit! > Trump, Erdogan, Pocock, Hilter - brothers fucking goats! ___ Discussion mailing list Discussion@lists.fsfellowship.eu https://lists.fsfellowship.eu/mailman/listinfo/discussion
Re: on SJWs and feminists
Oct 18, 2019, 19:06 by bugs@gnu.support: > That type of "speech" falls into harassment, is not protected by free > speech laws. Mailing list owner could moderate it to keep nice > conversation. You want to introduce censorship? Then why are we discussing in this forum where free speech and telling the truth is still allowed, and not on libreplanet or fsfe lists? We must not trust a single leader who controls our communication. If people cannot stand other people sharing their opinions, they should leave and go into their whiny corners which get smaller every day. -- https://backtotheaugust.org/ ___ Discussion mailing list Discussion@lists.fsfellowship.eu https://lists.fsfellowship.eu/mailman/listinfo/discussion
Re: on SJWs and feminists
* Christian Imhorst [2019-10-18 20:29]: > Dear Daniel, > > Am 18.10.19 um 11:24 schrieb Daniel Pocock: > > As a native English speaker, I'll simply comment that some people do > > generally use the word gas in that context > > okay but ahilter doesn't, because he wrote: > > Am 17.10.19 um 16:41 schrieb ahil...@keemail.me: > > people like you *would have been gassed* for attacking our leader! That type of "speech" falls into harassment, is not protected by free speech laws. Mailing list owner could moderate it to keep nice conversation. But if somebody makes generalizations and speaks in what one thinks is "fascist", that alone, if it is not harassment, shall be protected by free speech rights and their opinions is to be respected. But does fascism fall into the topic of the mailing list? That is the question. Free speech means to respect other people's opinions and rights to express them even if one does not like those opinions. Who is raised in Germany, France and other countries known for suppression of free speech, maybe finds it hard to assume such non-partisan viewpoint and allow others free speech. Mailing list owner can always set rules and say what is allowed or what shall be on topic and thus may moderate. Jean ___ Discussion mailing list Discussion@lists.fsfellowship.eu https://lists.fsfellowship.eu/mailman/listinfo/discussion
Re: on SJWs and feminists
If you cannot handle opinionated discussions and put the blame on your lack of mail inbox capabilities you seem to be wrong here. Please leave the list then. Alternative: set your list mode to digest. -- https://backtotheaugust.org/ Oct 18, 2019, 18:12 by stationa...@gmail.com: Yep, I’ll agree there’s a lot of fascist-like behavior under the guise of freedom of speech. Quite the horseshoe effect! Here’s what I propose: Let’s all take the weekend off! Give the list a break, spare our inboxes! Enjoy a short break to reflect and think about the future. Then, we can all get back to it on Monday. On Fri, Oct 18, 2019 at 7:58 AM Christian Imhorst wrote: Dear Daniel, Am 18.10.19 um 11:24 schrieb Daniel Pocock: > As a native English speaker, I'll simply comment that some people do > generally use the word "gas" in that context okay but ahilter doesn't, because he wrote: Am 17.10.19 um 16:41 schrieb ahil...@keemail.me: > people like you *would have been gassed* for attacking our leader! This cannot be misunderstood with farting: "Had we arrived just two days earlier, we *would have been gassed* immediately." -- https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jan/26/tales-from-auschwitz-survivor-stories RMS Support uses the language of fascists extensively: Am 18.10.19 um 03:11 schrieb RMS Support : > We have to defend our owns. It is time to stand up against the scum > that infiltrates us, against the intruders in our once clean and pure > societies. We have to regain free speech. The death of free forums may > not be forgotten! And the first outbursts of rebellion have already > been seen, just recently in Germany. Here we have a pronounced dichotomous or fascist thinking in the mutually exclusive categories friend and enemy, we and the others, especially with regard to the interior of society. The inner enemy of fascist society plays at least as important a role as the outer enemy. He is identified as a "popular pest", a threat to one's own "blood" or as "scum" of the once clean and pure society. Above all the own fiction of the "Jew", "Semite" and the other "race" serves this purpose also "Feminists", "Gay/Trans people", "Greens", "the Left" etc. From them it is necessary to purify their society. See also: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glossary_of_Nazi_Germany Last but not least he is linking to the platform for the alt-right and he really claims that the anti-Semitic attack in Halle could be fake news: Am 18.10.19 um 15:03 schrieb Truth Teller : > Killing people is the last resort. That is why there are still wars going on even under participation of honest countries and leaders. I don't precizely know what happened in Halle but as always we have to look out for fake news. Like I said earlier, let us not be distracted by these: > > --> https://www.breitbart.com/the-media/2019/10/18/viral-video-of-homophobic-attack-denounced-as-fake-news/ > Do you really want to attack the free software movement together with alt-right fascists? Regards Christian ___ Discussion mailing list Discussion@lists.fsfellowship.eu https://lists.fsfellowship.eu/mailman/listinfo/discussion ___ Discussion mailing list Discussion@lists.fsfellowship.eu https://lists.fsfellowship.eu/mailman/listinfo/discussion
Re: on SJWs and feminists
Oct 18, 2019, 17:58 by christian.imho...@fsfe.org: > RMS Support uses the language of fascists extensively: Are you calling me a fascist? My grandfather fighted against fascists in war, and today I fight SJW fascists wherever I can. I don't call you bad just because you have a different opinion. But you do so -- you do not even address me personally but blaming me at Daniel as if I was not here. It more seems to me you are the real fascist here. You depersonate me, treat me like I am not even a human, belittle my opinion and beliefs. You have the typical black/white opinion where anyone voicing hurting truths is killed off. > Last but not least he is linking to the platform for the alt-right and he > really claims that the anti-Semitic attack in Halle could be fake news: I did not say that, and you know it. I said that we have to be cautious of fake news. You brought up Halle, I don't even know exactly what happened there like I wrote before. > Do you really want to attack the free software movement together with > alt-right fascists? Are you speaking to Daniel? Who is attacking the free software movement? He protects it. And again, you are calling us names. "Alt-right" is a label invented by a little group of politicians and media moguls. It is a label to stigmatize conservatives. But just because we might be more "right" than "left", you try to silence us. Would you call Stallman "alt-right" because he has more conservative opinions than you have? RMS, Linus, Daniel: if you are reading this, please do not listen to such accusations. We are your friends. We stand by you. We know the truth. -- https://backtotheaugust.org/ ___ Discussion mailing list Discussion@lists.fsfellowship.eu https://lists.fsfellowship.eu/mailman/listinfo/discussion
Re: on SJWs and feminists
* Danny Spitzberg [2019-10-18 20:43]: > Yep, I’ll agree there’s a lot of fascist-like behavior under the guise of > freedom of speech. Quite the horseshoe effect! Freedom of speech is for fascists too. Freedom of speech is a principle that supports the freedom of an individual or a community to articulate their opinions and ideas without fear of retaliation, censorship, or legal sanction. I am not fascist, but I will tell to public that fascist have same freedom and same rights as non-fascists. Otherwise, if one would forbid freedom of speech to fascist, one would become fascist. So we would be going in circle. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_speech Jean ___ Discussion mailing list Discussion@lists.fsfellowship.eu https://lists.fsfellowship.eu/mailman/listinfo/discussion
Re: on SJWs and feminists
Yep, I’ll agree there’s a lot of fascist-like behavior under the guise of freedom of speech. Quite the horseshoe effect! Here’s what I propose: Let’s all take the weekend off! Give the list a break, spare our inboxes! Enjoy a short break to reflect and think about the future. Then, we can all get back to it on Monday. On Fri, Oct 18, 2019 at 7:58 AM Christian Imhorst < christian.imho...@fsfe.org> wrote: > Dear Daniel, > > Am 18.10.19 um 11:24 schrieb Daniel Pocock: > > As a native English speaker, I'll simply comment that some people do > > generally use the word "gas" in that context > > okay but ahilter doesn't, because he wrote: > > Am 17.10.19 um 16:41 schrieb ahil...@keemail.me: > > people like you *would have been gassed* for attacking our leader! > > This cannot be misunderstood with farting: > > "Had we arrived just two days earlier, we *would have been gassed* > immediately." -- > > https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jan/26/tales-from-auschwitz-survivor-stories > > RMS Support uses the language of fascists extensively: > > Am 18.10.19 um 03:11 schrieb RMS Support : > > We have to defend our owns. It is time to stand up against the scum > > that infiltrates us, against the intruders in our once clean and pure > > societies. We have to regain free speech. The death of free forums may > > not be forgotten! And the first outbursts of rebellion have already > > been seen, just recently in Germany. > > Here we have a pronounced dichotomous or fascist thinking in the > mutually exclusive categories friend and enemy, we and the others, > especially with regard to the interior of society. The inner enemy of > fascist society plays at least as important a role as the outer enemy. > He is identified as a "popular pest", a threat to one's own "blood" or > as "scum" of the once clean and pure society. Above all the own fiction > of the "Jew", "Semite" and the other "race" serves this purpose also > "Feminists", "Gay/Trans people", "Greens", "the Left" etc. From them it > is necessary to purify their society. > > See also: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glossary_of_Nazi_Germany > > Last but not least he is linking to the platform for the alt-right and > he really claims that the anti-Semitic attack in Halle could be fake news: > > Am 18.10.19 um 15:03 schrieb Truth Teller : > > Killing people is the last resort. That is why there are still wars > going on even under participation of honest countries and leaders. I > don't precizely know what happened in Halle but as always we have to > look out for fake news. Like I said earlier, let us not be distracted by > these: > > > > --> > > https://www.breitbart.com/the-media/2019/10/18/viral-video-of-homophobic-attack-denounced-as-fake-news/ > > > > Do you really want to attack the free software movement together with > alt-right fascists? > > Regards > Christian > ___ > Discussion mailing list > Discussion@lists.fsfellowship.eu > https://lists.fsfellowship.eu/mailman/listinfo/discussion > ___ Discussion mailing list Discussion@lists.fsfellowship.eu https://lists.fsfellowship.eu/mailman/listinfo/discussion
Re: on SJWs and feminists
Dear Daniel, Am 18.10.19 um 11:24 schrieb Daniel Pocock: As a native English speaker, I'll simply comment that some people do generally use the word "gas" in that context okay but ahilter doesn't, because he wrote: Am 17.10.19 um 16:41 schrieb ahil...@keemail.me: > people like you *would have been gassed* for attacking our leader! This cannot be misunderstood with farting: "Had we arrived just two days earlier, we *would have been gassed* immediately." -- https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jan/26/tales-from-auschwitz-survivor-stories RMS Support uses the language of fascists extensively: Am 18.10.19 um 03:11 schrieb RMS Support : > We have to defend our owns. It is time to stand up against the scum > that infiltrates us, against the intruders in our once clean and pure > societies. We have to regain free speech. The death of free forums may > not be forgotten! And the first outbursts of rebellion have already > been seen, just recently in Germany. Here we have a pronounced dichotomous or fascist thinking in the mutually exclusive categories friend and enemy, we and the others, especially with regard to the interior of society. The inner enemy of fascist society plays at least as important a role as the outer enemy. He is identified as a "popular pest", a threat to one's own "blood" or as "scum" of the once clean and pure society. Above all the own fiction of the "Jew", "Semite" and the other "race" serves this purpose also "Feminists", "Gay/Trans people", "Greens", "the Left" etc. From them it is necessary to purify their society. See also: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glossary_of_Nazi_Germany Last but not least he is linking to the platform for the alt-right and he really claims that the anti-Semitic attack in Halle could be fake news: Am 18.10.19 um 15:03 schrieb Truth Teller : > Killing people is the last resort. That is why there are still wars going on even under participation of honest countries and leaders. I don't precizely know what happened in Halle but as always we have to look out for fake news. Like I said earlier, let us not be distracted by these: > > --> https://www.breitbart.com/the-media/2019/10/18/viral-video-of-homophobic-attack-denounced-as-fake-news/ > Do you really want to attack the free software movement together with alt-right fascists? Regards Christian ___ Discussion mailing list Discussion@lists.fsfellowship.eu https://lists.fsfellowship.eu/mailman/listinfo/discussion
Re: on SJWs and feminists
18 Oct 2019, 09:47 by softm...@fsfe.org: > I hardly can imagine how fearful it has to be for you wimpy whiners to see > the world your dads showed you through their eyes to change to something you > can't understand out of your holes and echo chambers. Are you blaming our dads for preparing us for the world, that some things have to be fighted for? Some days ago I read a good analysis that proves that false-feminists and loud SJWs -- like the ones who made heroes like RMS and Marvin Minsky step down -- often come rom failed parenthoods, raised by single moms. Understandably for them they then try to tear down the natural order but that is not what we should want. Mankind [you notice? it's not "womankind"] only got so far by the law and order that morons now want to destroy. > If you take the idiot Nazi from Halle, who killed two innocent people while > trying to kill more people for being jewish, as part of your peergroup, I can > only feel sorrow for you. Yet I hope you will actually experience love and > see how the world is changing for the better. Killing people is the last resort. That is why there are still wars going on even under participation of honest countries and leaders. I don't precizely know what happened in Halle but as always we have to look out for fake news. Like I said earlier, let us not be distracted by these: --> https://www.breitbart.com/the-media/2019/10/18/viral-video-of-homophobic-attack-denounced-as-fake-news/ -- https://backtotheaugust.org/ ___ Discussion mailing list Discussion@lists.fsfellowship.eu https://lists.fsfellowship.eu/mailman/listinfo/discussion
Re: on SJWs and feminists
18 Oct 2019, 11:24 by dan...@pocock.pro: > As a native English speaker, I'll simply comment that some people do > generally use the word "gas" in that context THANK YOU DANIEL! I am no native english speaker but I am annoyed every day that you cannot say "gas" and "jews" on one sentence any more. RMS stumbled over the same thing, he was just stating the facts that sex with children was legally fine until not so many years ago. There is so much censorship offline and online and it already reaches our brains. But there are people who deserve medals and military honors for their ability to tell the truth and withstand all the drama bitches in our once bright, now rotten society. We need more heroes and they have to step out of the shadows like Daniel did with his blog posts and RMS supporters to on backthetheaugust.org and fsforce.noblogs.org [thank YOU!]. It goes far beyond RMS, it is about fundamental truths. That is why I also renamed me here. We need to concentrate on the big picture, our whole society, and the true enemies! -- https://backtotheaugust.org/ ___ Discussion mailing list Discussion@lists.fsfellowship.eu https://lists.fsfellowship.eu/mailman/listinfo/discussion
Re: on SJWs and feminists
Oct 18, 2019, 07:47 by softm...@fsfe.org: I hardly can imagine how fearful it has to be for you wimpy whiners to see the world your dads showed you through their eyes to change to something you can't understand out of your holes and echo chambers. I think you're a filthy hippy! You used to have a lot of sex, but now you're old and have to serve the SJW so you can get any. Leave us alone with your propaganda! Daniel lets you do it, but he knows our truth! And it has no place for SJW and false prophets! ___ Discussion mailing list Discussion@lists.fsfellowship.eu https://lists.fsfellowship.eu/mailman/listinfo/discussion
Re: on SJWs and feminists
Oct 18, 2019, 09:06 by christian.imho...@fsfe.org: It's worse then that. People like him, ahilter and others on this list are spreading fascist Propaganda. Where did I do it? I never did anything like that! Daniel is on my side! He already told you the truth about my fart! It doesn't smell like roses, but it's not deadly either. So keep your fake news to yourself, because our heroes here have already seen what fake news can do for you. Wikileaks, Donald Trump, Daniel Pocock. These are all our heroes for the truth and against Fake News. And I am also in the line: Trump, Pocock, Hilter - brothers in spirit! ___ Discussion mailing list Discussion@lists.fsfellowship.eu https://lists.fsfellowship.eu/mailman/listinfo/discussion
Re: on SJWs and feminists
On 18/10/2019 10:06, Christian Imhorst wrote: > Hi, > > Am 18. Oktober 2019 09:47:09 MESZ schrieb Christian Kalkhoff > : >> I hardly can imagine how fearful it has to be for you wimpy whiners to >> see the >> world your dads showed you through their eyes to change to something >> you can't >> understand out of your holes and echo chambers. > > It's worse then that. People like him, ahilter and others on this list are > spreading fascist Propaganda. They are hyping up fascists and want to send > people with a different opinion into gas (this cannot be misunderstood with > 'farting'). And they think that's freedom of speech. Disgusting. > > Good luck with them, Daniel. > As a native English speaker, I'll simply comment that some people do generally use the word "gas" in that context ___ Discussion mailing list Discussion@lists.fsfellowship.eu https://lists.fsfellowship.eu/mailman/listinfo/discussion
Re: on SJWs and feminists
18 Oct 2019, 00:01 by dan...@pocock.pro: > Bradley Kuhn and I both received part of our education in Jesuit > institutions. Social justice is an important part of the Jesuit tradition. I am disappointed that you put yourself on the same level as the traitor Bradley Kuhn. He stabbed RMS in the back. Once he was a good friend, lover of the GNU, and supporter of Chief GNUisance. If I would see him in person, I would spit him in the face right away. Do you really defend him? He and Karen Sandler are on their way to dominate the US free software community. They plan was all along to kill off RMS and John Sullivan, destroy FSF, and afterwards merge its leftovers in the Software Freedom Conservancy. It is the same as with "open source" organizations in Europe that try to destroy free software organisations with smearing campaigns and deffamatory material to take over their good work. People who follow private lists know what I mean. Conspiracy is everywhere. Some names have been mentioned on this list, but these are only the tips of the ice bergs or dumb puppets. The leaders of the evil hide in the shadows, letting us, the truth-tellers, attack each other, until they can burst out and take over our online and offline societies. We have to defend our owns. It is time to stand up against the scum that infiltrates us, against the intruders in our once clean and pure societies. We have to regain free speech. The death of free forums may not be forgotten! And the first outbursts of rebellion have already been seen, just recently in Germany. > The way the feminist label is used is an insult to many women who work hard. > Those women cringe at the "feminists" who try to talk on their behalf in our > community conferences. Truth spoken. Hard-working women adapted to the world that is only possible thanks to hard-working men, and we respect them for that. But girls like Sandler or corrupt puppets like Amanda Brock -- collaborator with Microsoft who sells out RMS' and Linux' biggest achievements -- act like they are endangered by honest men, and then organize witch-hunts like they did with Daniel. The domination of our society is not built on weakness and other leftist ideals but on the survival of the fittest. We have to fight to maintain our position! -- https://backtotheaugust.org/ ___ Discussion mailing list Discussion@lists.fsfellowship.eu https://lists.fsfellowship.eu/mailman/listinfo/discussion
on SJWs and feminists
Hi all, Bradley Kuhn and I both received part of our education in Jesuit institutions. Social justice is an important part of the Jesuit tradition. The label SJW is an insult to social justice and those who pursue it in a meaningful and credible way. The way the feminist label is used is an insult to many women who work hard. Those women cringe at the "feminists" who try to talk on their behalf in our community conferences. The problems we see in free software communities don't relate to social justice or feminism. The problem today is greed, opportunism and ego. A feminist with an ego problem, a woman with an ego problem or simply a person with an ego problem: is it their gender or political leaning that is the problem, or is it just their ego? Regards, Daniel ___ Discussion mailing list Discussion@lists.fsfellowship.eu https://lists.fsfellowship.eu/mailman/listinfo/discussion
