Re: [DNG] Please, provide a means to remove the default wallpapers.

[Jaromil]

On Sun, 11 Mar 2018, KatolaZ wrote:

> Well, the theme is actually half-there, mainly thanks to msiism. We
> just have to finish it up and rebuild the package ;)

true. on ascii we have quite some new entries in the team :^) msiism,
irrwahn, amesser and others have given great help on desktop issues
and documentation and general understanding of issues and last not
least we have understood how to fix the loginkitd mess.

your call to remember the early dire days of exodus is timely, as the
hungry gap is approaching we shall fast at least one day by running
only your devuan minimal-live :^D

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Re: [DNG] Please, provide a means to remove the default wallpapers.

[KatolaZ]

On Sun, Mar 11, 2018 at 07:29:01AM +, KatolaZ wrote:
> On Sun, Mar 11, 2018 at 08:25:18AM +0100, Jaromil wrote:
> 
> [cut]
> 
> > 
> > OT: after so many years I reverted to use wmaker as my wm (and it
> > makes me happy!) noticing it has no Devuan themeing. In this as in
> > other window managers this is a task open for volunteers willing to
> > help. Anyone interested is very welcome!
> > 
> 
> Well, the theme is actually half-there, mainly thanks to msiism. We
> just have to finish it up and rebuild the package ;)
> 

Oh this does not mean that we don't need help with that: quite the
opposite! So any volunteer is really to welcome to help, not just with
WMaker, but also with any of the other window managers around.

My2Cents

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Re: [DNG] Please, provide a means to remove the default wallpapers.

[KatolaZ]

On Sun, Mar 11, 2018 at 08:25:18AM +0100, Jaromil wrote:

[cut]

> 
> OT: after so many years I reverted to use wmaker as my wm (and it
> makes me happy!) noticing it has no Devuan themeing. In this as in
> other window managers this is a task open for volunteers willing to
> help. Anyone interested is very welcome!
> 

Well, the theme is actually half-there, mainly thanks to msiism. We
just have to finish it up and rebuild the package ;)

HND

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Re: [DNG] Please, provide a means to remove the default wallpapers.

[KatolaZ]

On Sun, Mar 11, 2018 at 10:09:05AM +0900, Olaf Meeuwissen wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> goli...@dyne.org writes:
> 
> > This is the best answer of all.
> >
> > Yes, just remove desktop-base to eliminate all styling you find
> > objectionable and recreate it as you wish.
> 
> Seems a bit drastic just to get rid of the default theme.  On my system
> this wants to remove 438 packages covering most if not all of Xfce, the
> only desktop I have installed.
> 
> The problem is that desktop-base has an explicit Depends: on
> clearlooks-phenix-darkpurpy-theme where alternatives could be provided
> or a meta-package to pull in a theme so that admins can control the
> system-wide default more easily.


When we were starving to death, we craved for bread. We found a dirty
crust of bread, and we started begging for soup. After we got enough
soup, we demanded meat. When we were sated with three kinds of meat,
we asked for a cream tea with jam, scones, and clotted cream. After
having eaten half a scone and not even touched the clotted cream, we
felt an insatiable desire for crabs, caviar and champagneI guess
it's just human nature :P

I can't find appropriate words to describe today the joy and immense
gratitute to Devuan that I felt the first moment the Valentine alpha
became available. I will simply remember that moment forever.

A lot has been done since then, and Devuan has given us bread, soup,
meat, scones, caviar, and what not. It's great to see that we still
have desire for more, but please let us not forget where we came from,
and the hunger we have suffered in getting where we are now. It helps
putting things in perspective ;)

My2Cents

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Re: [DNG] Please, provide a means to remove the default wallpapers.

[Jaromil]

dear Olaf,

On Sun, 11 Mar 2018, Olaf Meeuwissen wrote:

> > Seems a bit drastic just to get rid of the default theme.  On my
> > system this wants to remove 438 packages covering most if not all
> > of Xfce, the only desktop I have installed.
> 
> Sorry, I have set APT::Get::AutomaticRemove to true, hence the large
> number of packages to be removed.  When set to false, the default,
> it's only three.  desktop-base task-desktop task-xfce-desktop

thanks for double-checking. having so many packages removed after
desktop-base would be a problem to be fixed in Devuan, especially
considering needs of derivative distros.

OT: after so many years I reverted to use wmaker as my wm (and it
makes me happy!) noticing it has no Devuan themeing. In this as in
other window managers this is a task open for volunteers willing to
help. Anyone interested is very welcome!

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Re: [DNG] Please, provide a means to remove the default wallpapers.

[golinux]

On 2018-03-11 00:29, Olaf Meeuwissen wrote:

Hi again,

Olaf Meeuwissen writes:


Hi,

goli...@dyne.org writes:


This is the best answer of all.

Yes, just remove desktop-base to eliminate all styling you find
objectionable and recreate it as you wish.


Seems a bit drastic just to get rid of the default theme.  On my 
system
this wants to remove 438 packages covering most if not all of Xfce, 
the

only desktop I have installed.


Sorry, I have set APT::Get::AutomaticRemove to true, hence the large
number of packages to be removed.  When set to false, the default, it's
only three.

  desktop-base task-desktop task-xfce-desktop



It's not unusual to do a bare-bones custom install of Xfce without the 
meta package and desktop-base.  My enthusiasm for this method of removal 
was a bit tongue-in-cheek (think scorched earth).  ;)




The problem is that desktop-base has an explicit Depends: on
clearlooks-phenix-darkpurpy-theme where alternatives could be provided
or a meta-package to pull in a theme so that admins can control the
system-wide default more easily.



Exactly.  The purpose of desktop-base is to integrate the default theme.


That said, I like darkpurpy so have no intent to improve the current
situation.



:D



Apart from getting the clock in the Xfce systemtray to display in a
colour that contrasts with the darkpurpy theme rather than the dark
shade of grey that is used now.



Remove the default clock from the panel and install the Orage clock from 
the repos instead.  It has nice config options that allow for foreground 
and background color choice.  As far as making that the default option . 
. . let me talk to Centurion_Dan about that.  It's not really a priority 
in the grand scheme of things but the suggestion could at least be 
included in some release notes for the final release.


golinux

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Re: [DNG] Please, provide a means to remove the default wallpapers.

[Olaf Meeuwissen]

Hi again,

Olaf Meeuwissen writes:

> Hi,
>
> goli...@dyne.org writes:
>
>> This is the best answer of all.
>>
>> Yes, just remove desktop-base to eliminate all styling you find
>> objectionable and recreate it as you wish.
>
> Seems a bit drastic just to get rid of the default theme.  On my system
> this wants to remove 438 packages covering most if not all of Xfce, the
> only desktop I have installed.

Sorry, I have set APT::Get::AutomaticRemove to true, hence the large
number of packages to be removed.  When set to false, the default, it's
only three.

  desktop-base task-desktop task-xfce-desktop

> The problem is that desktop-base has an explicit Depends: on
> clearlooks-phenix-darkpurpy-theme where alternatives could be provided
> or a meta-package to pull in a theme so that admins can control the
> system-wide default more easily.
>
> That said, I like darkpurpy so have no intent to improve the current
> situation.

Apart from getting the clock in the Xfce systemtray to display in a
colour that contrasts with the darkpurpy theme rather than the dark
shade of grey that is used now.

>> On 2018-03-10 07:14, Chillfan wrote:
>>> One way to remove it all would be:
>>>
>>> apt-get purge desktop-base
>>>
>>> Or don't install it to begin with.
>>>
>>> Try the xfce gradient wallpaper, which is blue. Or..
>>>
>>> apt-get install gimp
>>>
>>> ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐
>>>
>>> On March 9, 2018 8:34 AM, Edward Bartolo edb...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 Dear All,

 I would like to ask the Devuan Distribution to provide a means to
 permanently remove the purple wallpapers (golinux's creation). I would
 like to have either wallpapers that users can individually choose or
 some light blue/green gradient wallpapers.

 Thank you all.
>
> Hope this helps,


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Re: [DNG] Please, provide a means to remove the default wallpapers.

[J. Fahrner]

Am 2018-03-11 02:09, schrieb Olaf Meeuwissen:

The problem is that desktop-base has an explicit Depends: on
clearlooks-phenix-darkpurpy-theme where alternatives could be provided
or a meta-package to pull in a theme so that admins can control the
system-wide default more easily.


I do not know a distribution that offers a selection of themes during 
the installation. Why should Devuan put work here? If you do not like 
the theme, you can customize it yourself or choose a different 
distribution.


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Re: [DNG] Please, provide a means to remove the default wallpapers.

[Olaf Meeuwissen]

Hi,

goli...@dyne.org writes:

> This is the best answer of all.
>
> Yes, just remove desktop-base to eliminate all styling you find
> objectionable and recreate it as you wish.

Seems a bit drastic just to get rid of the default theme.  On my system
this wants to remove 438 packages covering most if not all of Xfce, the
only desktop I have installed.

The problem is that desktop-base has an explicit Depends: on
clearlooks-phenix-darkpurpy-theme where alternatives could be provided
or a meta-package to pull in a theme so that admins can control the
system-wide default more easily.

That said, I like darkpurpy so have no intent to improve the current
situation.

> On 2018-03-10 07:14, Chillfan wrote:
>> One way to remove it all would be:
>>
>> apt-get purge desktop-base
>>
>> Or don't install it to begin with.
>>
>> Try the xfce gradient wallpaper, which is blue. Or..
>>
>> apt-get install gimp
>>
>> ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐
>>
>> On March 9, 2018 8:34 AM, Edward Bartolo edb...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Dear All,
>>>
>>> I would like to ask the Devuan Distribution to provide a means to
>>> permanently remove the purple wallpapers (golinux's creation). I would
>>> like to have either wallpapers that users can individually choose or
>>> some light blue/green gradient wallpapers.
>>>
>>> Thank you all.

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Re: [DNG] The FSF seems to have finally sold out

[Daniel Abrecht]

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On 2018-03-08 16:34, Alessandro Selli wrote:
> https://puri.sm/shop/librem-5/ > > 155.26% funded > 4,339 backers > 
> $2,328,966 raised of the
$1,500,000 goal.
I'm one of the backers. I pre-ordered the phone and the dev-kit. I think
what they are doing is truly amazing and important. They have created
good hardware, cooperate with the FSF and the OSS Comunity in every way
possible, and do their best to keep their products as libre as they can.

But most importantly, they are creating a real linux phone!

I've seen the other so called linux phones. I've had an Ubuntu Phone. I
was really hyped up when I got the Ubuntu one, but I was really letdown
by them soon. It used regular Android drivers, their Mir supported
gralloc, but X nor Wayland did. It wasn't possible to install another
distro. It wasn't even possible to use apt, because they choose to (OTA)
update the phones with tar archives!!! It's the same with other linux
phones. They don't build their own phones, they use gralloc, and they
can't run other distros.

But the purism librem 5 will be different. I believe this will finally
be the phone I was waiting for. One, where I can install my distribution
of choice, devuan. One, where I am in control what's installed on it and
what it does. One, which I will even be able to completely replace my PC
with. This is something no one else could or wanted give me.

Purism is yet another step in the right direction. With all the things
that go wrong in this world, I will do everything I can to make things
better.

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Re: [DNG] The FSF seems to have finally sold out

[Alessandro Selli]

On 09/03/2018 at 00:05, taii...@gmx.com ha wrote:
> On 03/08/2018 11:34 AM, Alessandro Selli wrote:
> 
>>    In fact it's just another take of Taiidan against Purism, it's his job.
> You fail to mention that there are many people who are constantly promoting
> purism, whereas I am the only one who provides constructive criticism.

  You are as constructive on Purism as Trump is constructive on N Korea.

> I have told them that their marketing is dishonest many times, hell they
> even agreed with me that it needed to be changed only they never did so.

  I'd like to read this exchange.

 Purism is NOT free hardware and certainly not "grassroots" as their
 mysterious founder somehow has a bottomless pit of money to burn on
 hardware costs and propaganda campaigns.
>> [...]
>>
>>> Are these things an illusion?
>>>
>>> https://puri.sm/posts/purism-integrates-heads-security-firmware-with-tpm-giving-full-control-and-digital-privacy-to-laptop-users/
>>>
>>>
>>> https://puri.sm/posts/librem-now-most-secure-laptop-under-full-user-with-tamper-evident-features/
>>>
> They didn't make heads they simply install it on their laptops.

  Did they write they made heads?  No, they gave credit to all those involved.

> Again my issue is that they claim to have "open source firmware" and a
> "disabled" ME when they actually don't.

  The firmware they use is Coreboot, so the firmware they use is as free as
Coreboot is.  ME they state (https://puri.sm/learn/intel-me/) is
"neutralized *and* disabled" and provide with this pointers as proof:

https://puri.sm/posts/neutralizing-intel-management-engine-on-librem-laptops/

https://puri.sm/posts/todds-librem-13-with-coreboot-and-a-neutralized-me/

  They claim they removed "over 90% of the Intel ME", "leaving only the very
small section (120k) to initialize and configure the hardware."

  In detail, these are the removed partitions and what is still in place:

The remains

A question remains, however: “What exactly did we remove, and what
remains?” So I tried to dig into that as well.

## Original ME modules :
total 1.6M
8.0K -rw-r--r-- 1 kakaroto kakaroto 8.0K Feb 28 17:08 AFWS-20687000.mod
12K -rw-r--r-- 1 kakaroto kakaroto 12K Feb 28 17:08 BOP-20392000.mod
116K -rw-r--r-- 1 kakaroto kakaroto 116K Feb 28 17:08 BUP-200d4000.mod
16K -rw-r--r-- 1 kakaroto kakaroto 16K Feb 28 17:08 CLS-206e.mod
4.0K -rw-r--r-- 1 kakaroto kakaroto 4.0K Feb 28 17:08 ClsPriv-20716000.mod
12K -rw-r--r-- 1 kakaroto kakaroto 12K Feb 28 17:08 FPF-206b3000.mod
132K -rw-r--r-- 1 kakaroto kakaroto 140K Feb 28 17:08 FTPM-20777000.mod
60K -rw-r--r-- 1 kakaroto kakaroto 60K Feb 28 17:08 HOSTCOMM-20396000.mod
24K -rw-r--r-- 1 kakaroto kakaroto 24K Feb 28 17:08 HOTHAM-2032b000.mod
16K -rw-r--r-- 1 kakaroto kakaroto 16K Feb 28 17:08 ICC-203ad000.mod
272K -rw-r--r-- 1 kakaroto kakaroto 272K Feb 28 17:08 JOM-208c2000.mod
344K -rw-r--r-- 1 kakaroto kakaroto 344K Feb 28 17:08 KERNEL-200f8000.mod
28K -rw-r--r-- 1 kakaroto kakaroto 28K Feb 28 17:08 MCTP-20379000.mod
28K -rw-r--r-- 1 kakaroto kakaroto 28K Feb 28 17:08 ME_TUNNEL-203b4000.mod
52K -rw-r--r-- 1 kakaroto kakaroto 52K Feb 28 17:08 NET_STACK-20383000.mod
20K -rw-r--r-- 1 kakaroto kakaroto 20K Feb 28 17:08 NFC-208bb000.mod
196K -rw-r--r-- 1 kakaroto kakaroto 204K Feb 28 17:08 Pavp-2004.mod
124K -rw-r--r-- 1 kakaroto kakaroto 124K Feb 28 17:08 POLICY-2034d000.mod
4.0K -rw-r--r-- 1 kakaroto kakaroto 4.0K Feb 28 17:08 ROMP-200d2000.mod
60K -rw-r--r-- 1 kakaroto kakaroto 60K Feb 28 17:08 SESSMGR-20719000.mod
44K -rw-r--r-- 1 kakaroto kakaroto 44K Feb 28 17:08 SESSMGR_PRIV-2015a000.mod
4.0K -rw-r--r-- 1 kakaroto kakaroto 4.0K Feb 28 17:08 UPDATE-2003e000.mod
32K -rw-r--r-- 1 kakaroto kakaroto 32K Feb 28 17:08 utilities-2036f000.mod
## Cleaned ME modules :
total 120K
4.0K -rw-r--r-- 1 kakaroto kakaroto 4.0K Feb 28 17:15 ROMP-200d2000.mod
116K -rw-r--r-- 1 kakaroto kakaroto 116K Feb 28 17:15 BUP-200d4000.mod

> You tell me I am "attacking them" since you care so much you can email them
> to remove the dishonest marketing and sell their products *as they are* not
> as they could be eventually - then I would have no issue with them

  What is dishonest in what they write on their site?  What is that they
sell not as is but as "could be eventually"?

 I encourage everyone who cares about the future of free computing to
 contact the FSF about this.
 Here are posts that help explain the purism situation better than I can.
 https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/3anjgm/on_the_librem_laptop_purism_doesnt_believe_in/

>>> In IT terms, that Reddit thread started a long time ago perhaps it
>>> is irrelevant these days?
> It is still relevant, purism claims to have "open source firmware" when all
> the hardware init is done via binary blobs.

  CPU microcode too is a proprietary binary blob.  Still, there are laptops
that are considered free hardware and meet RYF criteria.

>>   No, it is not relevent, and Taiidan 

Re: [DNG] Please, provide a means to remove the default wallpapers.

[KatolaZ]

On Sat, Mar 10, 2018 at 09:07:48PM +0100, Edward Bartolo wrote:
> Quote: Troll
> 
> I am not interested in damaging the distribution I am using after
> Debian betrayed me by shackling my freedom with systemd's adoption.
> 
> A hint that would not break any package would have been appreciated.
> It seems my only route of salvation is to fork desktop-base to get the
> wallpapers I want.

...or, as people have suggested you several times in this thread, just
edit slim.conf (either from a text editor or from whatever config tool
they have) and get whatever wallper you like there. They have also
explained how to change your DE's wallpaper. It seems that these
suggestion answer your question :)

HND

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[DNG] Please, provide a means to remove the default wallpapers.

[Edward Bartolo]

Quote: Troll

I am not interested in damaging the distribution I am using after
Debian betrayed me by shackling my freedom with systemd's adoption.

A hint that would not break any package would have been appreciated.
It seems my only route of salvation is to fork desktop-base to get the
wallpapers I want.

Please, do not reply to this thread to add more to the previous polemic.
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Re: [DNG] Please, provide a means to remove the default wallpapers.

[golinux]

On 2018-03-10 13:38, m712 wrote:

I'm pretty much convinced this is a troll but all I've got on this
Saturday evening is time and my wine so.



Baiting the bear?



What you can do now is to make the question more
open ended and asking people if they want change on the default
wallpapers.



Probably a bad idea.  Please let's let this thread die quietly.



Though, I doubt that it will happen since the majority
seems to enjoy the current ones.



They do.  And this is the first negative comment I've seen. Besides the 
whole point of free software  is the ability to "have it your way" so I 
really don't see what all the fuss is about.  If you don't like it, 
change it.  End of story.


golinux




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Re: [DNG] Please, provide a means to remove the default wallpapers.

[golinux]

This is the best answer of all.

Yes, just remove desktop-base to eliminate all styling you find 
objectionable and recreate it as you wish.


On 2018-03-10 07:14, Chillfan wrote:

One way to remove it all would be:

apt-get purge desktop-base

Or don't install it to begin with.

Try the xfce gradient wallpaper, which is blue. Or..

apt-get install gimp
​
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Dear All,

I would like to ask the Devuan Distribution to provide a means to

permanently remove the purple wallpapers (golinux's creation). I would

like to have either wallpapers that users can individually choose or

some light blue/green gradient wallpapers.

Thank you all.

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Re: [DNG] Please, provide a means to remove the default wallpapers.

[m712]

I'm pretty much convinced this is a troll but all I've got on this Saturday 
evening is time and my wine so.

On March 10, 2018 10:22:46 PM GMT+03:00, Edward Bartolo  
wrote:
>Quote: "I don't think you have a correct understanding of ad hominem."
>
>Keep what you think to yourself.
You called me out on using an Ad Hominem, and I called you out on using it 
incorrectly. Stop the double standard.
>The tactic is to attack the messenger instead of the message.
You asked artwork to be removed with no reason given, so it's obviously assumed 
to be personal taste. The messenger is attacked because the message depends on 
the messenger.
>I wrote an email to be directed to change the
>default wallpapers for slim and got into a puerile argument with
>people who should know such arguments lead to nowhere but I am was
>wrong in my assuming I was dealing with grown-ups.
Nice ad hominem yourself. Also, the distro should fit you and your personal 
taste? What?
>I will not drink the venom that you posted - keep that to yourself. It
>is always the same puerile attitude: the other party understands
>nothing, knows nothings, remembers nothing, ...
I would say the same about you, to be honest. If you actually read my mail now 
instead of cherry-picking some small thing I wrote and proclaiming "HA! 
Gotcha!", you will know that I'm trying to be constructive here. What you can 
do now is to make the question more open ended and asking people if they want 
change on the default wallpapers. Though, I doubt that it will happen since the 
majority seems to enjoy the current ones.
>Shame on you.
Not even gonna respond to this.
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[DNG] Please, provide a means to remove the default wallpapers.

[Edward Bartolo]

Quote: "I don't think you have a correct understanding of ad hominem."

Keep what you think to yourself. The tactic is to attack the messenger
instead of the message. I wrote an email to be directed to change the
default wallpapers for slim and got into a puerile argument with
people who should know such arguments lead to nowhere but I am was
wrong in my assuming I was dealing with grown-ups.

I will not drink the venom that you posted - keep that to yourself. It
is always the same puerile attitude: the other party understands
nothing, knows nothings, remembers nothing, ...

Shame on you.
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Re: [DNG] Please, provide a means to remove the default wallpapers.

[Adam Borowski]

On Sat, Mar 10, 2018 at 04:08:27PM +0100, Edward Bartolo wrote:
> On 10/03/2018, m712  wrote:
> > It's your choice to remove or keep them, and the color of a wallpaper is
> > entirely subjective. I think it's arrogant to request Devuan to remove
> > artwork because you want them removed.
> 
> An 'Ad Hominem'? Bravo! I am a chef and was 'back in the kitchen'
> preparing a broth with too many cooks.

It was not m712 who started this obvious troll thread.  I won't insult your
intelligence by assuming your initial mail was genuine lack of knowledge
rather than malice.


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Re: [DNG] Please, provide a means to remove the default wallpapers.

[m712]

On March 10, 2018 6:08:27 PM GMT+03:00, Edward Bartolo  wrote:
>On 10/03/2018, m712  wrote:
>> It's your choice to remove or keep them, and the color of a wallpaper
>is
>> entirely subjective. I think it's arrogant to request Devuan to
>remove
>> artwork because you want them removed.
>>
>
>An 'Ad Hominem'? Bravo! I am a chef and was 'back in the kitchen'
>preparing a broth with too many cooks.
I don't think you have a correct understanding of ad hominem. I did not accuse 
you of being arrogant, I stated my opinion that I believe it is arrogant to 
request a distro-wide removal of artwork just because someone doesn't like 
them. Maybe the use of "you want them removed" was incorrect; I should have 
used "someone wants them removed", and for that I apologize. My opinion still 
stands, though.
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Re: [DNG] Please, provide a means to remove the default wallpapers.

[J. Fahrner]

Am 2018-03-10 16:08, schrieb Edward Bartolo:

I want to remove the themes from the slim display manager


Configure whatever you want in /etc/slim.conf


and I am
concerned updates of slim may overwrite my changes restoring them to
their defaults.


Normally on updates, when there is a config change, you will be asked if 
you want to keep your config or install a new one.


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[DNG] Please, provide a means to remove the default wallpapers.

[Edward Bartolo]

On 10/03/2018, m712  wrote:
> It's your choice to remove or keep them, and the color of a wallpaper is
> entirely subjective. I think it's arrogant to request Devuan to remove
> artwork because you want them removed.
>

An 'Ad Hominem'? Bravo! I am a chef and was 'back in the kitchen'
preparing a broth with too many cooks.

On 09/03/2018, goli...@dyne.org  wrote:
> [ snip ]
> Right click on your Xfce desktop. Choose desktop settings.  Navigate to
> the wallpaper of your choice.  You can also create gradients there. The
> default images in /usr/share/images/desktop-base/ can be permanently
> deleted.
> Done.  Was that so hard?
>

That is not what I want and this is not MS Windows. Removing parts of
packages by deleting files is strongly discouraged in any Linux
distribution that uses a package manager.

I want to remove the themes from the slim display manager and I am
concerned updates of slim may overwrite my changes restoring them to
their defaults. StartX does not work for some weird reason, so I have
to stick with a display manager.

Thanks.
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Re: [DNG] Please, provide a means to remove the default wallpapers.

[Chillfan]

One way to remove it all would be:

apt-get purge desktop-base

Or don't install it to begin with.

Try the xfce gradient wallpaper, which is blue. Or..

apt-get install gimp
​
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On March 9, 2018 8:34 AM, Edward Bartolo edb...@gmail.com wrote:

> Dear All,
> 
> I would like to ask the Devuan Distribution to provide a means to
> 
> permanently remove the purple wallpapers (golinux's creation). I would
> 
> like to have either wallpapers that users can individually choose or
> 
> some light blue/green gradient wallpapers.
> 
> Thank you all.
> 
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[DNG] Beaglebone black

[karl]

 Hello,
I hope there are others here who are interested in
having devuan on Beaglebone black (BBB).

I'm testing devuan_ascii_2.0.0-beta_armhf_beagleboneblack.img.xz
in https://files.devuan.org/devuan_ascii_beta/embedded/ and having some 
problems, I cannot get hdmi to work. Booting with the factory provided
debian from onboard flash shows that it isn't a hardware problem.
Any help appreciated.

Other things I encountered was that the kernel modules was compressed 
and modutils didn't have support for that, so I ended up uncompressing 
every module.

Also adding g_cdc to /etc/modules and appending
 T1:2345:respawn:/sbin/getty -L ttyGS0 115200 xtem
to /etc/inittab, made the usb serial port available for incoming calls
(host system loads cdc_acm and I can use "cu" to connect to
BBB's usb client port).

Regards,
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Re: [DNG] The FSF seems to have finally sold out

[Chillfan]

I see, thanks for clarifying that further.

As far as I've got with the quest for free hardware is ARM Cotex A7 (not 
affected by spectre) on the allwinner boards with the Mali GPU, which seems 
like an OK solution if 3d acceleration won't be used or the mali free driver 
project works out.

I'll take a look a the T2 and see if that's viable for me on the desktop, 
thanks for the info.


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On March 10, 2018 8:46 AM, taii...@gmx.com taii...@gmx.com wrote:

> I still have not received an answer from the FSF about if purism will be
> 
> allowed to fraudulently market their products at libreplanet, they avoid
> 
> the question as if I never asked it whilst answering my other questions.
> 
> What a shame - blobbed firmware is not "open source firmware" and the
> 
> "LibreM" is NOT libre hardware.
> 
> On 03/10/2018 02:51 AM, Chillfan wrote:
> 
> > Since Purism have created a fully libre distribution
> 
> You listen to their marketing too much :'\[
> 
> They haven't created anything it is literally just a debian clone with
> 
> minor modifications to make it seem unique to the layman.
> 
> I like the edited roadmap better.
> 
> https://goblinrefuge.com/mediagoblin/u/onpon4/m/what-purism-s-road-to-fsf-ryf-endorsement-chart-should-look-like/
> 
> > it seems like that would be the reason for having a seat there. Not that 
> > I'm saying you're wrong here - it's important that hardware with binary 
> > only blobs are not endorsed by anyone as free hardware.
> > 
> > It's true that they disable ME in their laptops according to all accounts 
> > anyway.
> 
> No it isn't - the ME kernel and mask ROM still runs they simply take the
> 
> NSA/intel at its word when they say the HAP bit shuts off ME post kernel
> 
> boot.
> 
> Remove the ME ROM from purisms blobbed coreboot and the system will shut
> 
> off after 30 minutes, physically disconnect the ME processor and the
> 
> system won't work at all thus not disabled.
> 
> They have plenty of shills that would tell you otherwise, which is why
> 
> you should talk to a real hardware engineer about this and similar
> 
> matters instead.
> 
> > Afaik it's not fully possible to remove intel ME yet, just disable it (or 
> > so we think) and tinker with the partitions. By definition that 
> > disqualifies them as producing free or libre hardware or even being certain 
> > ME isn't still doing something.
> 
> Removed would be physically disconnect whereas disabled would be simply
> 
> not running like the pre-core series thinkpads where the ME ROM is not
> 
> included but the system is still allowed to boot and stay on past 30
> 
> minutes.
> 
> I doubt intel will allow ME cleaner's nerfing mechanism to work for
> 
> long, I seriously can't believe purism thinks they can make a successful
> 
> company on something that could change instantly.
> 
> > Also I haven't heard of Novena/Talos until now despite being on the lookout 
> > so you may have a point there. Afaict it's only crowd funding or pre order 
> > so far, what's the TLDR? Any others around?
> 
> Both are real shipping products for once.
> 
> The TALOS 2 board/cpu costs less than a non-free intel xeon system with
> 
> comparable performance and features - the T2 has libre firmware for both
> 
> the board and bmc plus zero hardware code signing enforcement including
> 
> cpu microcode.
> 
> The TALOS 2 was on display at FOSDEM, go look up the pics :D the massive
> 
> heatsinks are for the high end 24 core CPU (4 SMT threads per core)
> 
> POWER9 has the general stuff power users have come to expect from a
> 
> modern workstation such as POWER-KVM, IOMMU with IOMMU-GFX, CAPI, PCI-e
> 
> 4.0 and IBM OpenBMC.
> 
> If you are familiar with the facebook OpenBMC that was recently ported
> 
> to the KGPE-D16 and KCMA-D8 boards IBM's is different in that it is more
> 
> advanced with more features.
> 
> Unfortunately for some reason the tech media only issues glorified press
> 
> releases these days they don't do real research anymore - I have a few
> 
> systems running raptor's libre firmware and even I had no idea it
> 
> existed until recently.
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Re: [DNG] The FSF seems to have finally sold out

[Arnt Gulbrandsen]

taii...@gmx.com writes:
I still have not received an answer from the FSF about if 
purism will be allowed to fraudulently market their products at 
libreplanet, they avoid the question as if I never asked it 
whilst answering my other questions.


I've answered enough support mail to be able to explain why.

Some questions aren't meant to elicit information. The questioner doesn't 
want information, not even if the question is "why did you chosse ...?". 
Rather, sending any sort of information back will just make the asker send 
something more. Answering such questions doesn't inform anyone, or achieve 
anything, it just generates more long mail.


One learns to recognise this class of question.

If you want an answer from the FSF, you have to ask qustions that don't 
sound as if answering would be a waste of time that leads only to more 
wasted time, with no productive result for either you or the FSF.


Arnt

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Re: [DNG] The FSF seems to have finally sold out

[taii...@gmx.com]

I still have not received an answer from the FSF about if purism will be 
allowed to fraudulently market their products at libreplanet, they avoid 
the question as if I never asked it whilst answering my other questions.


What a shame - blobbed firmware is not "open source firmware" and the 
"LibreM" is NOT libre hardware.


On 03/10/2018 02:51 AM, Chillfan wrote:


Since Purism have created a fully libre distribution

You listen to their marketing too much :'[

They haven't created anything it is literally just a debian clone with 
minor modifications to make it seem unique to the layman.


I like the edited roadmap better.
https://goblinrefuge.com/mediagoblin/u/onpon4/m/what-purism-s-road-to-fsf-ryf-endorsement-chart-should-look-like/

it seems like that would be the reason for having a seat there. Not that I'm 
saying you're wrong here - it's important that hardware with binary only blobs 
are not endorsed by anyone as free hardware.

It's true that they disable ME in their laptops according to all accounts 
anyway.
No it isn't - the ME kernel and mask ROM still runs they simply take the 
NSA/intel at its word when they say the HAP bit shuts off ME post kernel 
boot.
Remove the ME ROM from purisms blobbed coreboot and the system will shut 
off after 30 minutes, physically disconnect the ME processor and the 
system won't work at all thus not disabled.


They have plenty of shills that would tell you otherwise, which is why 
you should talk to a real hardware engineer about this and similar 
matters instead.

  Afaik it's not fully possible to remove intel ME yet, just disable it (or so 
we think) and tinker with the partitions. By definition that disqualifies them 
as producing free or libre hardware or even being certain ME isn't still doing 
something.
Removed would be physically disconnect whereas disabled would be simply 
not running like the pre-core series thinkpads where the ME ROM is not 
included but the system is still allowed to boot and stay on past 30 
minutes.


I doubt intel will allow ME cleaner's nerfing mechanism to work for 
long, I seriously can't believe purism thinks they can make a successful 
company on something that could change instantly.

Also I haven't heard of Novena/Talos until now despite being on the lookout so 
you may have a point there. Afaict it's only crowd funding or pre order so far, 
what's the TLDR? Any others around?

Both are real shipping products for once.

The TALOS 2 board/cpu costs less than a non-free intel xeon system with 
comparable performance and features - the T2 has libre firmware for both 
the board and bmc plus zero hardware code signing enforcement including 
cpu microcode.
The TALOS 2 was on display at FOSDEM, go look up the pics :D the massive 
heatsinks are for the high end 24 core CPU (4 SMT threads per core)
POWER9 has the general stuff power users have come to expect from a 
modern workstation such as POWER-KVM, IOMMU with IOMMU-GFX, CAPI, PCI-e 
4.0 and IBM OpenBMC.
If you are familiar with the facebook OpenBMC that was recently ported 
to the KGPE-D16 and KCMA-D8 boards IBM's is different in that it is more 
advanced with more features.


Unfortunately for some reason the tech media only issues glorified press 
releases these days they don't do real research anymore - I have a few 
systems running raptor's libre firmware and even I had no idea it 
existed until recently.


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