Re: [DNG] I ask Devuan to remove all defaming emails.

[Christopher Clements]

On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 09:33:32AM +0100, Edward Bartolo wrote:

Hi,

<<
Dude, you posted on a public mailing list. It's archived in a million
places (including my and many others private archives). As I tell
everyone with a facebook account, if you don't want it accessible to
the public forever, don't post it.




Wrong. This is a misconception. The Internet is also subject to laws.
Enough said.

Edward

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Wow.

Whose laws?

I lead a sovereign nation called bcnjr5land that occupies a square inch
on the back of my left hand.

It's against the law to use words with more than 3 letters there without
sending a pound of solid gold to the leader.

My left hand can access the Internet (in fact, I used it to type this
message), so shouldn't you be obeying my laws?

What I'm getting at here is that nobody owns the internet, so nobody has
any authority over it.

Trying to control it just makes things worse.

The best thing for you to do is to forget about it and let people focus
on other things.  That way, nobody will remember whatever it is you
don't like.

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No one is listening until you make a mistake.

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Re: [DNG] I ask Devuan to remove all defaming emails.

[Jaromil]

Ed,

After such a period of calm and right on time for our beta2
announcement, having this inflamatory thread *really* doesn't helps
the project *at all*. It is not representative of any other debate
that has taken place on DNG in the past year, yet it is the top thread
appearing on our list archives right now that media attention has
woken up to the call of good results for all our hard work.
I really really wish you'd be more conscious of this.

FYI here below is the disclaimer presented when you join our lists

   Our mailing lists are interactive and all subscribers can write. We
   debate new software releases, events, projects, roadmaps in a
   friendly environment with good humour and cyberfreaks hanging
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   understands you ;^)

   If you are new to mailinglists, please read the Netiquette
   Guidelines (RFC1855) and in particular the chapter 3.0 about
   One-to-Many Communication.

   The mailinglists hosted here are completely free, they are
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Now back to us, I am personally committed to avoid this situation and
kindly ask everyone to avoid trolling and even further replies.

I will remove all the posts (do you have a list you can send me in
private or should just grep your name out?)  and take measures so that
this situation doesn't repeates in future, also meaning you will loose
access to post to the list. If you like, you can write a last mail to
greet everyone and point out other fora where to reach you to discuss
your projects.

ciao

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Re: [DNG] I ask Devuan to remove all defaming emails.

[Angelo Machils]

Hi all,

Perhaps it's better just to leave this troll be and ignore him.

Regards,

Angelo

On 30 November 2016 at 10:09, Renaud OLGIATI  wrote:

> On Wed, 30 Nov 2016 09:33:32 +0100
> Edward Bartolo  wrote:
>
> > Wrong. This is a misconception. The Internet is also subject to laws.
> > Enough said.
>
> In trying to suppress what has been posted, you will be as successful as
> if you were to try to catch a fart you let go, and paint it green.
>
> All those postings are replicated in umpteen archives all over the planet,
> many of those beyond the reach of EU (or other) laws.
>
> Which is a Good Thing, since it prevents tin-pot dictators, religious
> fanatics, or deluded individuals, from censoring what is posted, and
> available to all, on the Internet.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Ron.
> --
>   Caelum, non animum mutant
>qui trans mare currunt.
>   -- Horace
>
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Re: [DNG] I ask Devuan to remove all defaming emails.

[Ron]

On Wed, 30 Nov 2016 09:33:32 +0100
Edward Bartolo  wrote:

> Wrong. This is a misconception. The Internet is also subject to laws.
> Enough said.

In trying to suppress what has been posted, you will be as successful as if you 
were to try to catch a fart you let go, and paint it green. 

All those postings are replicated in umpteen archives all over the planet, many 
of those beyond the reach of EU (or other) laws.

Which is a Good Thing, since it prevents tin-pot dictators, religious fanatics, 
or deluded individuals, from censoring what is posted, and available to all, on 
the Internet.
 
Cheers,
 
Ron.
-- 
  Caelum, non animum mutant
   qui trans mare currunt.
  -- Horace

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Re: [DNG] I ask Devuan to remove all defaming emails.

[Edward Bartolo]

Hi,

<<
Dude, you posted on a public mailing list. It's archived in a million
places (including my and many others private archives). As I tell
everyone with a facebook account, if you don't want it accessible to
the public forever, don't post it.
>>

Wrong. This is a misconception. The Internet is also subject to laws.
Enough said.

Edward

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(Albert Einstein)
If you cannot make abstructions about details you do not understand
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Re: [DNG] I ask Devuan to remove all defaming emails.

[Brad Campbell]

On 30/11/16 15:35, Edward Bartolo wrote:

Sir,

I am asking the Devuan Administration to delete and destroy all
defaming emails on DNG as they infringe upon the (Personal) Data
Protection Act. In those threads, I never approved my abilities or
their lack to be discussed, yet, abusive respondents, felt they could
infringe upon my basic legal rights. Reading some threads, a reader
invariably gets the message that I am a person of very low
intellectual abilities. Other emails give further health related
information that I refrain from disclosing, especially on a public
place. This is in direct violation of the Personal Data Protection Act
since it was done publicly without my approval. Please note I am an EU
citizen which gives certain legal rights. I am considering of getting
legal assistance about this matter. I suffer of NO mental ilnesses
irrespective of what has been illegally posted on DNG regarding my
mental health.

I repeat to write that the distribution has no excuse to refuse to
satisfy my request. Defamation damages a person's reputation and is a
criminal offence.


Dude, you posted on a public mailing list. It's archived in a million 
places (including my and many others private archives). As I tell 
everyone with a facebook account, if you don't want it accessible to the 
public forever, don't post it.


Best of luck.

Regards,
Brad
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