Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Base Handbook 5.0
On Fri, 07 Aug 2015 16:13:23 -0400 elderdanlewis elderdanle...@gmail.com wrote: If you want others to review your work, should we upload this material to a new Base Handbook 5 folder on the ODF Authors website and process this through the the normal review/edit procedure there? As a matter of general interest, is there any kind of review/edit process used in the production of the German edition of this handbook, or is this something you work on alone? My reason for asking is to see if there is a way to refine the ODF Authors review process to make it easier for new contributors to follow. Milos Sramek did not get any feedback when he raised this issue some time ago, but I believe it is something we need to give some consideration. BTW I will not start laughing a your translations until my knowledge of German is better than your knowledge of English. Which means you will not hear a single giggle from me for a very very long time. ;) Thanks Regards Dave I have downloaded chapter 1 to review it. There is a method for doing this. Right now I don't remember where this information is. I will send it to you by tomorrow morning. As soon as I can get the review done, I will upload it to the Base Handbook folder. That is when you can give it an review. I will tell you when I finish. Meanwhile, I noticed one thing that needs to be done before anything else: converted to the 5.0 template. I will be doing this later today. Dan I'd like to do my bit but I don't want to accidentally duplicate someone else's work. If someone could assign me specific chapters to work on, that would be best for me. Correcting English as she is spoken is one of the things I enjoy doing. -- Hazel Russman -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Base Handbook 5.0
Hi Robert, Original Message From: Robert Großkopf Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2015 20:52:34 +0200 Hi Dave, If you want others to review your work, should we upload this material to a new Base Handbook 5 folder on the ODF Authors website and process this through the the normal review/edit procedure there? In the beginning of documentation I have used ODF-Authors also. Must have a look how it works. As a matter of general interest, is there any kind of review/edit process used in the production of the German edition of this handbook, or is this something you work on alone? The first Handbuch has been reviewed from other persons. Only a part the content of chapter Macros for this first Handbuch has been edited by someone else. Also the index has been created by someone else. All other content I have written and other people have had a look for orthography. So there was no reason to use ODF-Authors. I have first uploaded the content to my website and with the new release of every LO-Version I uploaded also a new version of Base-Handbuch to the wiki and linked it to the german LO-homepage. No, I was not suggesting you should use the ODF Authors website. My reason for asking is to see if there is a way to refine the ODF Authors review process to make it easier for new contributors to follow. Milos Sramek did not get any feedback when he raised this issue some time ago, but I believe it is something we need to give some consideration. We could work with ODF-Autors. But for many people I am a little bit impatient ... I want to get a new Base-Handbook in the same release-cycle as LO. This is how the Geramn Handbuch is released. You should use whatever method works for you and the German team. I was just interested if there was something you were doing that could be adapted for the English section of the ODF Authors process. With a few exceptions, it seems that we lack a sufficient number of contributors with your determination (impatience) to get the job done. BTW I will not start laughing a your translations until my knowledge of German is better than your knowledge of English. Which means you will not hear a single giggle from me for a very very long time. ;) A little bit fun while reading a book isn't wrong. Regards Robert It would be great if you could find the time to do some more translations of the other chapters. Any chance you could encourage some of the German team's bi/multi-lingual members to help out with this? I seem to recall that Hazel helped out with previous translations of the Base Handbook, but I don't know if she is still available and/or willing to work on this revised edition. There are possibly others who I have overlooked, but it would be really good if we could get enough translators to a complete and publish an English edition within a reasonable period of time. Again many thanks for your excellent work on the Base Handbook. Regards Dave -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Folder for version 5.0 of the Base Handbook
Original Message From: Dan Lewis Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2015 21:02:55 -0400 Could someone who has the proper authority please create this folder and its subfolders for us. Robert has written the new version. Dave and I need this as we work with Robert to get the German version translated into English. Thanks! Dan Hi Dan, I have now created the core folders on the ODF Authors website for the Base Handbook 5.0 and added Robert's translations of the Introduction Chapter 1 to the Drafts folder there. I have also noted the location of the original German publication in case anyone wants to cross-check the translation. I will add Robert's example files later, when I have had chance to study them in more detail and decide if they would befit from any minor adaptations (eg. change German terms to English) to accommodate an English speaking audience. Robert provided zip files of the screen captures used in the handbook. Do you think it would be of any benefit to make these available on the ODF Authors website? Regards Dave -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Base Handbook 5.0
Original Message From: Hazel Russman Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2015 11:50:56 +0100 On Fri, 07 Aug 2015 16:13:23 -0400 elderdanlewis elderdanle...@gmail.com wrote: If you want others to review your work, should we upload this material to a new Base Handbook 5 folder on the ODF Authors website and process this through the the normal review/edit procedure there? As a matter of general interest, is there any kind of review/edit process used in the production of the German edition of this handbook, or is this something you work on alone? My reason for asking is to see if there is a way to refine the ODF Authors review process to make it easier for new contributors to follow. Milos Sramek did not get any feedback when he raised this issue some time ago, but I believe it is something we need to give some consideration. BTW I will not start laughing a your translations until my knowledge of German is better than your knowledge of English. Which means you will not hear a single giggle from me for a very very long time. ;) Thanks Regards Dave I have downloaded chapter 1 to review it. There is a method for doing this. Right now I don't remember where this information is. I will send it to you by tomorrow morning. As soon as I can get the review done, I will upload it to the Base Handbook folder. That is when you can give it an review. I will tell you when I finish. Meanwhile, I noticed one thing that needs to be done before anything else: converted to the 5.0 template. I will be doing this later today. Dan I'd like to do my bit but I don't want to accidentally duplicate someone else's work. If someone could assign me specific chapters to work on, that would be best for me. Correcting English as she is spoken is one of the things I enjoy doing. Hello Hazel, Great to see you posting here again. Maybe I got it wrong in an earlier post, where I suggested that you understood German. I may have got the idea from seeing your name against reviews of previous revisions of the handbook, where you applied your grammatical skills to the English translations. If it is acceptable to others here, I am willing to coordinate the compilation of the Base Handbook - English Edition and try to avoid duplicated work. Dan is currently reviewing Robert's translation of Chapter 1 and based on the tone of his previous post, is keen to upload this for further review. Since nobody else has come forward yet, please work on Dan's review when it becomes available. Thanks Regards Dave -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Base Handbook 5.0
Original Message From: Dan Lewis Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2015 20:58:47 -0400 8-- snip --8 This link should help you some. It will keep you a little busy too. https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Development Dan Thanks Dan, I wrote, or at least edited, some of that page. ;) Regards Dave -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Base Handbook 5.0
On Sat, 8 Aug 2015 13:37:00 +0200 Dave Barton d...@tasit.net wrote: Original Message From: Hazel Russman Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2015 11:50:56 +0100 On Fri, 07 Aug 2015 16:13:23 -0400 elderdanlewis elderdanle...@gmail.com wrote: If you want others to review your work, should we upload this material to a new Base Handbook 5 folder on the ODF Authors website and process this through the the normal review/edit procedure there? As a matter of general interest, is there any kind of review/edit process used in the production of the German edition of this handbook, or is this something you work on alone? My reason for asking is to see if there is a way to refine the ODF Authors review process to make it easier for new contributors to follow. Milos Sramek did not get any feedback when he raised this issue some time ago, but I believe it is something we need to give some consideration. BTW I will not start laughing a your translations until my knowledge of German is better than your knowledge of English. Which means you will not hear a single giggle from me for a very very long time. ;) Thanks Regards Dave I have downloaded chapter 1 to review it. There is a method for doing this. Right now I don't remember where this information is. I will send it to you by tomorrow morning. As soon as I can get the review done, I will upload it to the Base Handbook folder. That is when you can give it an review. I will tell you when I finish. Meanwhile, I noticed one thing that needs to be done before anything else: converted to the 5.0 template. I will be doing this later today. Dan I'd like to do my bit but I don't want to accidentally duplicate someone else's work. If someone could assign me specific chapters to work on, that would be best for me. Correcting English as she is spoken is one of the things I enjoy doing. Hello Hazel, Great to see you posting here again. Maybe I got it wrong in an earlier post, where I suggested that you understood German. I may have got the idea from seeing your name against reviews of previous revisions of the handbook, where you applied your grammatical skills to the English translations. If it is acceptable to others here, I am willing to coordinate the compilation of the Base Handbook - English Edition and try to avoid duplicated work. Dan is currently reviewing Robert's translation of Chapter 1 and based on the tone of his previous post, is keen to upload this for further review. Since nobody else has come forward yet, please work on Dan's review when it becomes available. Thanks Regards Dave Oh I know quite a lot of German! My parents were both native German speakers. In fact I was the one who translated most of Robert's earler Base Handbook. -- H Russman -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Base Handbook 5.0
Hazel Russman wrote: On Sat, 8 Aug 2015 13:37:00 +0200 Dave Barton d...@tasit.net wrote: Original Message From: Hazel Russman Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2015 11:50:56 +0100 On Fri, 07 Aug 2015 16:13:23 -0400 elderdanlewis elderdanle...@gmail.com wrote: If you want others to review your work, should we upload this material to a new Base Handbook 5 folder on the ODF Authors website and process this through the the normal review/edit procedure there? As a matter of general interest, is there any kind of review/edit process used in the production of the German edition of this handbook, or is this something you work on alone? My reason for asking is to see if there is a way to refine the ODF Authors review process to make it easier for new contributors to follow. Milos Sramek did not get any feedback when he raised this issue some time ago, but I believe it is something we need to give some consideration. BTW I will not start laughing a your translations until my knowledge of German is better than your knowledge of English. Which means you will not hear a single giggle from me for a very very long time. ;) Thanks Regards Dave I have downloaded chapter 1 to review it. There is a method for doing this. Right now I don't remember where this information is. I will send it to you by tomorrow morning. As soon as I can get the review done, I will upload it to the Base Handbook folder. That is when you can give it an review. I will tell you when I finish. Meanwhile, I noticed one thing that needs to be done before anything else: converted to the 5.0 template. I will be doing this later today. Dan I'd like to do my bit but I don't want to accidentally duplicate someone else's work. If someone could assign me specific chapters to work on, that would be best for me. Correcting English as she is spoken is one of the things I enjoy doing. Hello Hazel, Great to see you posting here again. Maybe I got it wrong in an earlier post, where I suggested that you understood German. I may have got the idea from seeing your name against reviews of previous revisions of the handbook, where you applied your grammatical skills to the English translations. If it is acceptable to others here, I am willing to coordinate the compilation of the Base Handbook - English Edition and try to avoid duplicated work. Dan is currently reviewing Robert's translation of Chapter 1 and based on the tone of his previous post, is keen to upload this for further review. Since nobody else has come forward yet, please work on Dan's review when it becomes available. Thanks Regards Dave Oh I know quite a lot of German! My parents were both native German speakers. In fact I was the one who translated most of Robert's earler Base Handbook. So I got it right the first time and memory failed me on the second guess. Apologies for the misleading suggestion. BTW. I am subscribed to this list, so a cc is not necessary. Best Regards Dave -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Folder for version 5.0 of the Base Handbook
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi *, I will add Robert's example files later, when I have had chance to study them in more detail and decide if they would befit from any minor adaptations (eg. change German terms to English) to accommodate an English speaking audience. All examples on http://robert.familiegrosskopf.de/lo_hb_en/ are translated - the tables have new names and new fields, the forms and reports are changed and if there are macros inside the fiels I have also tied to translate it. Robert provided zip files of the screen captures used in the handbook. Do you think it would be of any benefit to make these available on the ODF Authors website? The screen-caputures are also screen-captures of the translated files. So they are all in English. Next I will do is to take chapter 2 of Handbook 3.5 (English Handbook, published), add the new screenshots and also add the changed Text as German text. I will upload this to the same folder and ping here if it is ready. So everybody, who could translate better and much faster than I, could translate the German text (Hi Hazel ...). Regards Robert -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2 iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJVxjJ7AAoJELDKYwaoS9AIPkoP/RgR3w0vFqtA/Mx1IowMJF1v yt7/tm2R/K3bqayiVGDhuipZDwjcSqvQNQDzZ/+mZUoUqZURFG/ZVIxf5ETHJ4eG iZ0Yllurla89JLJbcDLlbAFnBVJOauPWINmFTgydAr9OrTQNyexl+eXYfcB59jiX z9eLE6yvZKk5K3fR40X4YhUkksZoMn60Egnb/6kyQntrBLi6/9vUIoSGu/aJqQTK k7K5L3hRsuSEEmeCy0TwK32qsLJ6ylcRSIa1Az0EFWNzEA1xOf9f3kFPq0BwyZ4B JH2LQckIzYHVr2spOKPS9innGzC2HmElnI9D1wcDnwX17TGqW/FH7mtOi0LIbJDh iCvTUT76AGtraF1E+rzZL0KBZNzElsrCHxZdinVEo4XBBFfv6PiTbfRFgrUYnobK P7WWybRY0Nzlwe3W5ua7GiT5IG+sj24kyVuBRUS2QqkyiV77H+6AWbCFtCpWOWSf HF1CPFsOqA4YZaqrDlDOSF2yCY3UGpo0ylKQYR57PD87CNgCa69AJkX/LmyvP/P9 84+9sT/b4wd2BFN8aMn1EPXBWEUiuNLM5wYTkDcVLs3yys9qP3tvLbreavSzh6mv fuWiBMhqzXUATfzppj5QSxmpRNls8PWxVAyxTa8uZjTfoi25fvN3a1c9n/1rVA3j UWGxPu0pWWD+0IwLRaeY =C9Fg -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-documentation] Base handbook 5.0 Some thoughts
Hazel will be very helpful in translating some of the chapters. At some point I want to try to do some of them. I will have to use the same process as Robert: word by word. (I do have two years of college German.) As I began reviewing chapter one,I was able to make changes because I have a good knowledge of how Base works in English. So it seems that translating something into one's native language can be easier than translating something from it with a good background in the subject. I seem to live the furthest west of the four of us (UTC-4).So, this determines when I do things. Dan -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
