Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Future method for users to report errors in guides?

[Ilmari Lauhakangas]

On 3.6.2022 17.29, Peter Schofield wrote:
> Hello Martin
>
> I agree with you. LO needs a simple method of reporting problems with 
the software. Bug reports would put users off reporting problems. Even I 
would prefer a simpler method when I find errors in the software when 
writing the user guides for Impress and Draw.


For doc issues a simple method probably works, but for bug reports we 
can't offer a "customer hotline". Crowdsourced bug triaging needs to be 
based on accounts as the reporter has to give feedback.


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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Bug 135501 - Change the default UI

[Ilmari Lauhakangas]

On 22.5.2022 11.03, kees...@libreoffice.org wrote:

Peter Schofield schreef op 22.05.2022 09:47:
I keep getting messages about "Bug 135501 - Change the default UI” 
which has raised a question for me and would like some opinion on this.


Being one of the volunteers writing the user guides, would it mean 
that I have to completely update and change the user guides to suit 
a Notebookbar UI ???


I would like more information on this change to the UI so that I 
know what is going to happen. The comments in the bug report do not 
really help.





> Hi Peter
>
> To use the Notebookbar, you have to choose the option Tabbed.

This is not entirely accurate. There are 8 variants and Tabbed is one of 
them.


Before we make a decision about the default UI, I would like to see 
designers come up with improvements on how styles are presented in all 
the UIs: https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=149230


I will be actively pointing new designers to this task until a 
satisfactory solution is found.


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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] LibreOffice 7.4

[Ilmari Lauhakangas]

On 22.5.2022 13.09, Peter Schofield wrote:

Is there a link available to download LO 7.4, or is too early for a usable 7.4 
version?


You can always get unstable builds through 
https://dev-builds.libreoffice.org/daily/master/current.html


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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Documentation forum

[Ilmari Lauhakangas]

On 9.5.2022 20.57, Regina Henschel wrote:

Olivier Hallot schrieb am 09.05.2022 um 17:07:

Hi Team

Our infra team has set up a test site for a documentation forum, based 
on the documentation mailing list. The documentation mailing list 
history has been imported to it. Please have a look at


https://communitytest.documentfoundation.org/c/documentation/195

And let us know if you have comments and suggestions on the new forum.


My default browser is "Seamonkey" and using that browser I see nothing. 
The link opens in a blank page.


I do not want to change my default browser, because I like the 
integration of mail, browser and chatZilla client. So I would need a 
notification about the forum posts per mail.


If I then want to answer or post myself, I could use Chrome. But I do 
not want to make Chrome my default browser.


Latest SeaMonkey is based on Firefox 91.9, so relatively recent. I 
looked into it and apparently there was a regression in Discourse:

https://meta.discourse.org/t/discourse-not-loading-on-legacy-browsers/221412

As TDF is running the latest release of Discourse, 2.8.3, it seems that 
the fixes have not yet hit a stable version. However, Regina and other 
SeaMonkey users could test how https://meta.discourse.org/ works. It 
certainly works for me with SeaMonkey 2.53.12


It is not the intention of Discourse devs to cruelly block visitors 
using non-bleeding-edge browsers. Quote from a dev in the topic:


"Keep in mind, our biggest focus is on not breaking old browsers. A 
blank page is simply not acceptable, not even on ancient browsers. A 
readonly view is acceptable.


The tricky thing that happened here is that we have some browsers that 
are in a twilight state, not exactly supported and not exactly not 
supported, sadly they got a white page treatment.


We are thinking of better approaches going forward to avoid regularly 
hitting these issues as our minimal browser version number creeps up."


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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] About ram uses

[Ilmari Lauhakangas]

On 26.4.2022 14.35, Tarun Tiwari wrote:

Hello developers Libra office is using more memory than ofice does so
please improve it


Using more memory might just mean that it needs less CPU to process 
things. Our developers have been adding more and smarter caches for 
various expensive operations in the recent years. If LibreOffice used no 
memory at all, your CPU would be burning hot all the time.


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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] LO 7.3 still crashing on macOS Monterey

[Ilmari Lauhakangas]

On 3.2.2022 10.00, Peter Schofield wrote:

于 2022年2月3日 GMT+08:00 上午10:50:45, Jean Weber  写到:

For the record, LO 7.3 is still crashing on my 3-year-old MacBook Pro
running macOS Monterey. For now, I’ll stick with 7.2.5 and do any necessary
7.3 testing & screenshots on Windows or Linux.

If / when I have the ambition, I’ll follow up to see if I can fix this
locally, for example using options in Safe Mode, resetting user profile,
whatever. And check bug reports, etc. Right now, I have other things to do.

Jean

On 3 Feb 2022, at 04:08, Kevin Suo  wrote:

Could you test to see if it still crashes when disable Skia (via Preference > 
LibreOffice > View" dialog.

There are several bug reports with regarding the crash on mac with Skia and it 
is now disabled for 7.3 by the following commit, which may be avalible on 7.3.1 
release:
https://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/commit/?h=libreoffice-7-3=290957ad1383565c97201360defdeae9ae5ef502



> Hello Kevin
>
> Pardon my ignorance, but what is Skia? There are several options in 
Preferences > LibreOffice > View. Which one do I disable?

>
> Regards
> Peter Schofield
> psaut...@gmail.com
> Technical Writer, LO Documentation Team
>

Skia is a graphics engine. Blog post from 2019 about the project: 
https://llunak.blogspot.com/2019/11/skia-branch-merged-to-master.html


Deactivate every option that has Skia in it. The end result should be 
that there is a text "Skia is currently disabled" and in your About 
dialog you don't see Skia for the VCL information.


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[libreoffice-documentation] Re: [libreoffice-l10n] More Calc function pages available for translation

[Ilmari Lauhakangas]

On 31.1.2022 9.24, Ilmari Lauhakangas wrote:

On 30.1.2022 16.31, Ilmari Lauhakangas wrote:

The category 'Date and time functions' is now translatable.

https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Calc_Functions/List_of_Functions 



Also, remember that there are many templates to translate:

https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Special:PrefixIndex?prefix=Documentation%2FCalc_Functions=10 



https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Template:DatabaseFunctions-CommonSummaryText 



Note: when working on the templates, you can not ignore tags like 
 in the translated strings. Please keep all these special 
elements that appear in the source strings. If you don't, you will 
break the translated page.


One other gotcha based on a true story: when there is a string 
containing a link like


[[Special:MyLanguage/Documentation/Calc 
Functions/CEILING.MATH|CEILING.MATH]]


please only translate the part that comes after |


Quick update: text and add-in functions were made translatable.

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] UML

[Ilmari Lauhakangas]

On 30.1.2022 18.46, Jessica Jones wrote:

Is it possible to make UML diagrams in libreoffice and how to do this?


You can draw them by hand in Draw, but there is also this cool extension 
that allows you to do it declaratively with PlantUML: 
https://extensions.libreoffice.org/en/extensions/show/libo_plantuml


For drawing manually, see
https://help.libreoffice.org/latest/en-US/text/simpress/02/1010.html
https://books.libreoffice.org/en/DG72/DG7208-ConnectionsFlowchartsOrganisationCharts.html

In the future, you can ask such questions in 
https://ask.libreoffice.org/ as this list is for working on the 
documentation.


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[libreoffice-documentation] Re: [libreoffice-l10n] More Calc function pages available for translation

[Ilmari Lauhakangas]

On 30.1.2022 16.31, Ilmari Lauhakangas wrote:

The category 'Date and time functions' is now translatable.

https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Calc_Functions/List_of_Functions 



Also, remember that there are many templates to translate:

https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Special:PrefixIndex?prefix=Documentation%2FCalc_Functions=10 



https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Template:DatabaseFunctions-CommonSummaryText 



Note: when working on the templates, you can not ignore tags like 
 in the translated strings. Please keep all these special 
elements that appear in the source strings. If you don't, you will break 
the translated page.


One other gotcha based on a true story: when there is a string 
containing a link like


[[Special:MyLanguage/Documentation/Calc 
Functions/CEILING.MATH|CEILING.MATH]]


please only translate the part that comes after |

Ilmari

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[libreoffice-documentation] More Calc function pages available for translation

[Ilmari Lauhakangas]

The category 'Date and time functions' is now translatable.

https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Calc_Functions/List_of_Functions

Also, remember that there are many templates to translate:

https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Special:PrefixIndex?prefix=Documentation%2FCalc_Functions=10

https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Template:DatabaseFunctions-CommonSummaryText

Note: when working on the templates, you can not ignore tags like 
 in the translated strings. Please keep all these special 
elements that appear in the source strings. If you don't, you will break 
the translated page.


Ilmari

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: LibreOffice 7.3 crashing

[Ilmari Lauhakangas]

On 22.1.2022 13.30, Jean Weber wrote:

On Fri, 14 Jan 2022 at 20:39 Peter Schofield  wrote:


Thanks Olivier for the Bugzilla link.

Jean/Kevin

Bug report now submitted.

I will now test LO 7.3 using macOS 10.15.7 Catalina on an old MacBook Pro.


Hi Peter,

What’s the bug number?

I’ve now installed RC2 and it is still crashing.


https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=146759

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] LO 7.2 Writer Guide macOS edition

[Ilmari Lauhakangas]

On 2.1.2022 23.50, Martin Srebotnjak wrote:

V V ned., 2. jan. 2022 ob 19:39 je oseba Ilmari Lauhakangas <
ilmari.lauhakan...@libreoffice.org> napisala:


On 2.1.2022 20.27, Martin Srebotnjak wrote:
  > Ilmari, could you please elaborate: what do you intend to patch
regarding
  > the help build?

Ignoring these so everything is written for every OS:

https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Understanding,_Authoring_and_Editing_Openoffice.org_Help/3#switch

The current approach with operating system parameters also causes
technical issues (JavaScript redirect needed to view Help to begin with).

Ilmari

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> Ilmari,
>
> just to make sure I understand correctly - you want to change all the 
help

> strings that have these switches and so they will appear untranslated or
> fuzzy and translators of l10n teams will have to manually check and
> (re)translate them (130 teams * hundreds/thousands of strings)?

No, to make the HTML generator write everything in the switch 
statements. Now, I'm not sure how well this will work for every writing 
system in the world as it would require adding parentheses and spaces in 
the case of switchinline elements, but it's worth a shot.


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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] LO 7.2 Writer Guide macOS edition

[Ilmari Lauhakangas]

On 2.1.2022 20.27, Martin Srebotnjak wrote:
> Ilmari, could you please elaborate: what do you intend to patch regarding
> the help build?

Ignoring these so everything is written for every OS: 
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Understanding,_Authoring_and_Editing_Openoffice.org_Help/3#switch


The current approach with operating system parameters also causes 
technical issues (JavaScript redirect needed to view Help to begin with).


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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] LO 7.2 Writer Guide macOS edition

[Ilmari Lauhakangas]

On 2.1.2022 13.44, Olivier Hallot wrote:

Em 02/01/2022 06:38, flywire escreveu:

On Sun, Jan 2, 2022 at 1:09 PM Jean Weber  wrote:


... Would the team like to have this book as part of the documentation
set? I am unlikely to update it very often, and I am unlikely to
produce a macOS edition of any other books except possibly the Getting
Started Guide - if I have time.



There should be a better way to meet the needs of mac users than a macOS
edition in 
https://documentation.libreoffice.org/en/english-documentation/.

Other applications manage to produce one set of docs for different
OSs, even if linux screenshots look a bit strange to say Windows 
users. It

will leave mac users with a general feeling of discontent there are no
current guides for their application/language. I suggest it should be
independent of current guides and the documents should be reviewed in the
context of better meeting macOS needs.

The whole guide preparation process is pretty impressive. Maybe 
OS-specific
keys and screenshots could be scripted in future guides for custom 
editions

but I doubt it is justified.



If we add a control variable that hides or show sections/paragraphs 
depending on the OS, documents will go into a very complex and fragile 
management scheme where mistakes (e.g. deletion of a controlled 
paragraph) are easily introduced and unnoticed. Debugging a long 
document like our guides will be unpleasant at best.


Technically speaking, LibreOffice has all tools for document management 
(version control, fields, track-changes...) but our team must get used 
to and it is also a entry barrier for newcomers.


The Help has a control scheme (, ) for macOS where 
Ctrl key is changed to Command key and the menu "Tools-Option" is 
changed to "LibreOffice - Preferences". Those are 99.99% of all 
differences in Help between OS versions.


In the future I will try a Help build patch where the 
switch/switchinline are ignored. I suggest to add the macOS-specific 
information into the guides rather than produce separate guides.


Ilmari

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] password

[Ilmari Lauhakangas]

On 15.12.2021 20.33, john j paz wrote:

Why do you make it possible to Delete password protected documents simply by 
clicking the X in the thumbnails?


Clicking the X does not delete the document. It removes it from the list 
of recently opened documents.


Please, in the future send messages like these to 
https://ask.libreoffice.org/ as this list is for coordinating the 
documentation work.


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[libreoffice-documentation] Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Translation status update for Calc function wiki articles

[Ilmari Lauhakangas]

All of the three forms of documentation serve a different purpose. 
Quoting from the Season of Docs summary:


"The Calc Guide for LibreOffice release 6.2 contained a lengthy appendix 
(70 pages) devoted to the 500+ functions available in Calc, providing a 
shallow list of the functions and their arguments. During the update of 
the document for release 6.4 in 2019, the Documentation Team agreed that 
it would be better to move this list to an online service, and as part 
of this move, to enhance the function descriptions by adding more 
examples, use cases and collateral information on standards, 
compatibility and more."


Ilmari

On 13.12.2021 2.17, Kevin Suo wrote:
We have the help for functions in our online/builtin help, and then we 
have this wiki, and as far as I know we also have the Calc Guide - are 
they the same or similar content?



于 2021年12月13日 GMT+08:00 上午12:57:43, Ilmari Lauhakangas 
 写到:


I have completed translation structure optimisations for the Calc
function wiki articles, which were marked for translation prematurely in
2020. The articles in question were the mathematical functions and a
couple of database functions. The work was coordinated with Steve
Fanning, who let me know when the articles had been reviewed for content
correctness.

This means that all translatable Calc function articles are now safe to
translate!

You can find them by searching for 'Calc Functions' on this page:
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Special:PageTranslation  
<https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Special:PageTranslation>

The full list of Calc function articles is here:

https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Calc_Functions/List_of_Functions  
<https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Calc_Functions/List_of_Functions>

Numerous painstaking optimisations were made to minimise the amount of
work for translators.

I will continue making reviewed articles translatable (currently 142 in
the todo-list).

Ilmari

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[libreoffice-documentation] Translation status update for Calc function wiki articles

[Ilmari Lauhakangas]

I have completed translation structure optimisations for the Calc 
function wiki articles, which were marked for translation prematurely in 
2020. The articles in question were the mathematical functions and a 
couple of database functions. The work was coordinated with Steve 
Fanning, who let me know when the articles had been reviewed for content 
correctness.


This means that all translatable Calc function articles are now safe to 
translate!


You can find them by searching for 'Calc Functions' on this page:
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Special:PageTranslation

The full list of Calc function articles is here: 
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Calc_Functions/List_of_Functions


Numerous painstaking optimisations were made to minimise the amount of 
work for translators.


I will continue making reviewed articles translatable (currently 142 in 
the todo-list).


Ilmari

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Release Notes 7.3 wiki page errors

[Ilmari Lauhakangas]

The page reported it yesterday before Rafael changed the marker (and 
that I removed today), not anymore. Anyone is free to fix any such 
mistakes they spot, it is simply wiki text anyhow.


Ilmari

On 23.11.2021 15.31, Martin Srebotnjak wrote:

Well, Rafael,

the page now reports that it contains changes that cannot be marked for
translation, which is also not good. All content should be made
translatable.

Lp, m.

V V tor., 23. nov. 2021 ob 14:27 je oseba Ilmari Lauhakangas <
ilmari.lauhakan...@libreoffice.org> napisala:


Sure, it's not a big deal, but the right way to fix it would have been
to just remove the marker entirely and not rename the number :)

Ilmari

On 23.11.2021 15.05, Rafael Lima wrote:

Hi Martin and Ilmari,

Yesterday I edited the Release Notes for LO 7.3 and accidentally

duplicated

entry 263. This was the only one I edited and now it is fixed.

I did not check if there are any other duplicate IDs though.

Rafael


On Tue, Nov 23, 2021 at 8:32 AM Martin Srebotnjak 

wrote:



Helo, Ilmari,

I did not mess with translation markes, I do not know who did it.
I just found that the page needs to be checked for translation since it

had

updates and the wiki system returned an error.

Lp, m.

V V tor., 23. nov. 2021 ob 07:05 je oseba Ilmari Lauhakangas <
ilmari.lauhakan...@libreoffice.org> napisala:


On 22.11.2021 22.54, Martin Srebotnjak wrote:

Hello,

just want to report, the wiki page
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleaseNotes/7.3
has errors (the name of the translation unit 263 has several

instances)

and

thus cannot be marked for translation in the latest version.

Please fix this and mark the latest version available for translation.


This has been fixed. When editing the wiki, translation markers should
not be manually added as they are created automatically, when you mark

a

page for translation. They can be deleted alongside content that you
remove.

Ilmari

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Release Notes 7.3 wiki page errors

[Ilmari Lauhakangas]

Sure, it's not a big deal, but the right way to fix it would have been 
to just remove the marker entirely and not rename the number :)


Ilmari

On 23.11.2021 15.05, Rafael Lima wrote:

Hi Martin and Ilmari,

Yesterday I edited the Release Notes for LO 7.3 and accidentally duplicated
entry 263. This was the only one I edited and now it is fixed.

I did not check if there are any other duplicate IDs though.

Rafael


On Tue, Nov 23, 2021 at 8:32 AM Martin Srebotnjak  wrote:


Helo, Ilmari,

I did not mess with translation markes, I do not know who did it.
I just found that the page needs to be checked for translation since it had
updates and the wiki system returned an error.

Lp, m.

V V tor., 23. nov. 2021 ob 07:05 je oseba Ilmari Lauhakangas <
ilmari.lauhakan...@libreoffice.org> napisala:


On 22.11.2021 22.54, Martin Srebotnjak wrote:

Hello,

just want to report, the wiki page
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleaseNotes/7.3
has errors (the name of the translation unit 263 has several instances)

and

thus cannot be marked for translation in the latest version.

Please fix this and mark the latest version available for translation.


This has been fixed. When editing the wiki, translation markers should
not be manually added as they are created automatically, when you mark a
page for translation. They can be deleted alongside content that you
remove.

Ilmari

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Release Notes 7.3 wiki page errors

[Ilmari Lauhakangas]

On 22.11.2021 22.54, Martin Srebotnjak wrote:

Hello,

just want to report, the wiki page
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleaseNotes/7.3
has errors (the name of the translation unit 263 has several instances) and
thus cannot be marked for translation in the latest version.

Please fix this and mark the latest version available for translation.


This has been fixed. When editing the wiki, translation markers should 
not be manually added as they are created automatically, when you mark a 
page for translation. They can be deleted alongside content that you remove.


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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Math Guide for 7.x?

[Ilmari Lauhakangas]

On 22.11.2021 13.49, Rafael Lima wrote:

On Mon, Nov 22, 2021 at 7:41 AM Jean Weber  wrote:


Is anyone updating the Math Guide for 7.x? The last time I looked at a
published copy, I noticed some formatting problems in some of the tables
that I’d  be happy to fix before a new edition is published, if someone
else doesn’t fix them first.

Jean

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> Hi Jean,
>
> I took a look at the release notes and a few minor changes were made 
to LO

> Math since 7.0.
> - 7.1: Math has now a full support of HTML colors
> - 7.2: It's now possible to scale the code input box.
> - 7.3: Nothing so far
>
> If you can do the initial updating of the chapters, I'll be happy to 
review

> them.
>
> Regards,
> Rafael Lima
>

Hmm, the release notes seem to be lacking in this department. Dante has 
done quite a lot of work on Math and support for MathML. Most of it has 
been internal improvements & refactoring, though, not user-facing.


https://git.libreoffice.org/core/+log?pretty=oneline=dante19031999%40gmail.com

I'm not really capable of summarising. I guess Dante himself would be 
the best person to explain. Something I've written on the QA blog:


https://qa.blog.documentfoundation.org/2021/01/08/qa-dev-report-december-2020/

Dante Doménech worked on support for MathML custom entities and improved 
fastparser


https://qa.blog.documentfoundation.org/2020/12/04/qa-dev-report-november-2020/

Dante Doménech made many improvements to Math: he added hexadecimal 
number and colour support, added command for frac and evaluate, 
renovated examples and greatly improved colour support (also with MathML)


Ilmari

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[libreoffice-documentation] Re: [libreoffice-projects] Documentation Team Meeting Minutes November 11th 2021 at 18:00 UTC.

[Ilmari Lauhakangas]

On 12.11.2021 13.33, Olivier Hallot wrote:

Documentation Team Meeting Minutes November 11th 2021 at 18:00 UTC.

* Calc Functions Wiki
  + MAny functions ready for translation
  + Call communities to work on translations
  + good starting point for community members on translation
  + Check with Ilmari is everything is OK to announce.


Please let me handle this, I still have to do lots of refinements.

Ilmari

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Problem with Base on macOS

[Ilmari Lauhakangas]

On 1.10.2021 2.44, Jean Weber wrote:

I'm asking this here before going to ask.lo or elsewhere. I have seen
this problem only on macOS, not on Linux or Windows, so it is probably
a bug, but I have not attempted to follow this up on bugzilla. That
comes later.

I am using LO 7.2.1 on macOS 11.6 (Big Sur), with Oracle's JDK 16 or 17.

When using the Bibliography database (or any registered db that I have
created), fields in some columns are black when viewed. (Fields in
other columns are white & contents are visible.) When clicked, the
black fields turn white and I can type into them, but when I click or
tab away, they return to black. When I use a form to enter data, the
form fields are normal, but the results in the DB itself have the
black field background.

I have determined that the black fields are “Memo [LONGVARCHAR]” and
the white fields are “Text [VARCHAR]” or Date or Number or some other
type.

Has anyone else seen this? Is there a quick fix? Or do you know what
the bug number is?


The bug report is https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=140854

Ilmari

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Calc 7.2 and autocompletion changes

[Ilmari Lauhakangas]

On 3.9.2021 14.39, Ilmari Lauhakangas wrote:

On 3.9.2021 12.23, sophi wrote:

Le 02/09/2021 à 19:47, Steve Fanning a écrit :

I agree that when the changes are complete, we should make sure that the
Calc Guide describes the implemented behaviour accurately.


There is already a change in 7.2, the limit indicated here:
https://help.libreoffice.org/latest/en-GB/text/scalc/01/0613.html
doesn't exist anymore. See the comment from Eike on this question:
https://ask.libreoffice.org/t/autoinput-how-to-increase-number-of-cells-above-to-be-scanned/67591 



Ok, but the most controversial thing is that if there are empty cells 
between the existing similar string and the cell you are typing in, it 
will not offer autocompletion *at all*. It is clear that this either has 
to be simply reverted or the logic reworked in a way that improves the 
user experience compared to the old way.


This ignoring of content above empty cells was reverted today and will 
not be in 7.2.1 anymore.


Ilmari

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation]

[Ilmari Lauhakangas]

On 4.9.2021 20.02, Carmen Chavez wrote:

At first I had images all in place.  Then only blank squares appears with the 
word Image # 2.  My whole documents images are blank squares. How to I correct 
this?  Thank you


Please ask user questions in https://ask.libreoffice.org/ or the 
#libreoffice "general help" channel 
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Website/IRC


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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Calc 7.2 and autocompletion changes

[Ilmari Lauhakangas]

On 3.9.2021 12.23, sophi wrote:

Le 02/09/2021 à 19:47, Steve Fanning a écrit :

I agree that when the changes are complete, we should make sure that the
Calc Guide describes the implemented behaviour accurately.


There is already a change in 7.2, the limit indicated here:
https://help.libreoffice.org/latest/en-GB/text/scalc/01/0613.html
doesn't exist anymore. See the comment from Eike on this question:
https://ask.libreoffice.org/t/autoinput-how-to-increase-number-of-cells-above-to-be-scanned/67591


Ok, but the most controversial thing is that if there are empty cells 
between the existing similar string and the cell you are typing in, it 
will not offer autocompletion *at all*. It is clear that this either has 
to be simply reverted or the logic reworked in a way that improves the 
user experience compared to the old way.


Ilmari

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[libreoffice-documentation] Calc 7.2 and autocompletion changes

[Ilmari Lauhakangas]

It occurred to me that these changes affect documentation: 
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=142214


However, the whole thing is kind of up in the air because there is 
clearly a need for improvement and fast, as annoyed users are voicing 
their disappointment. I would at least hope that the feature would be 
addressed in a point release.


Ilmari

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] GS7113-GettingStartedWithMacros

[Ilmari Lauhakangas]

On 25.8.2021 23.35, Krzysztof Kauer wrote:

Hi
Maybe someone will find two minutes and answer my question?
It is, after all, the official LibreOffice manual, which should not contain
such errors.
regards


May we please know your question and the errors you are referring to?

The only communication I have seen from you is "Greetings from Poland to 
the author of the book", so there is nothing to answer.


Ilmari

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: Getting Started With Documentation

[Ilmari Lauhakangas]

On 20.8.2021 14.43, Karnotcycle wrote:

I am K K a.k.a Karnotcycle. I am new here in the documentation team of
libreoffice, I am still figuring out how everything is taken care of. I am
a recent graduate, I love open source and libreoffice particularly has been
my friend for long. I always wanted to give back to it, wanted to start
contributing but I am not a pro programmer yet.
I learned that I can always contribute in the documentation which I am very
confident that I will fit right in. I am excited to be working here. Please
let me know how I can get started and gain access to nextcloud/ what might
be my next steps.
Looking forward to a great time here and lots of future contributions by me.


Welcome :)

You can follow the steps in 
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Cloud Now you can 
continue with step two.


The guide authors might have ideas for tasks you can do.

Ilmari



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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Question about Paste Special dialog in CALC 7.2

[Ilmari Lauhakangas]

On 8.8.2021 9.31, Jean Weber wrote:

On the Paste Special dialog in CALC 7.2 there is a checkbox labeled
“Run immediately”. It is selected by default. Can someone tell me what
it does, and what happens if it is not selected? I did some
experiments and could see no difference. I couldn’t find it in the
Help. The dialog has been rearranged in v7.2, and this checkbox is
new, so it is not mentioned in the Calc 7.1 Guide.


https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=134802#c10

Quote:
"Run Immediately" off means the button applies settings only)

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Floating sub-toolbars LibreOffice 7.2

[Ilmari Lauhakangas]

On 2.8.2021 10.57, Peter Schofield wrote:

I am not sure about this, but can someone please advise.

Before LO 7.2, I could create a floating sub-toolbars follows:
1. Click on small triangle next to the tool icon.
2. Click at top of the sub-toolbar that opens and drag to create a floating 
sub-toolbar.

Step 2 is no longer possible in LO 7.2.

What is the solution?


It is a regression and I reported it just now: 
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=143688


Ilmari

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Getting Started Guide 6.0 Ch 8, Base

[Ilmari Lauhakangas]

On 30.4.2021 12.25, LibreHelper wrote:

Greetings Everyone,

In the LO Getting Started Guide 6.0, chapter 8, it says "Field names are required to be single 
words." ("Step 4:" pg 247, near the bottom.)


I am unable to find this mention in the latest guide: 
https://books.libreoffice.org/en/GS70/GS7008-GettingStartedWithBase.html


Ilmari

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Issue with Toggle Master View icon

[Ilmari Lauhakangas]

On 16.4.2021 22.03, Felipe Viggiano wrote:

Hello everyone,

My LO Writer's Navigator dialog is not showing the Toggle Master View 
icon, is it just me? Is there anyone else with this issue?


I have checked theses situations:

  * Open an already existing .odm file;
  * Create a new master document;
  * Create a new master document in safe mode.

LO version: 7.1.0.3 / Linux


Fixed in 7.1.2: https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=140397

Ilmari

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Call for ideas on Technical Writing

[Ilmari Lauhakangas]

It is already a topic: 
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/GSoDOC/2021#LibreOffice_Developer_Guide


The wiki pages of the book need to be imported first exactly as they 
were because of the PDL license. Then we can modify the book, but the 
license must stay the same.


There have been many API changes since 2009 and the task should focus on 
those.


The diagrams can also be converted to textual definitions and 
dynamically generated by Mermaid.js diagramming library.


Ilmari

On 11.3.2021 16.29, Rafael Lima wrote:

Hi!

Building upon Regis' suggestion, OpenOffice has a 1.600-page long
Developer's Guide. I myself have referred to this book on some occasions,
because it is a good introduction to the API.

https://wiki.openoffice.org/w/images/d/d9/DevelopersGuide_OOo3.1.0.pdf

However, LibreOffice needs its own book, since differences between LO and
OO are increasing over time. Hence, one possible idea would be to create a
LO Developer's Guide.

The main problem is that 1.600 pages is too long, so this could be broken
down into two separate proposals.

Regards,
Refael Lima

On Thu, Mar 11, 2021 at 11:28 AM Rafael Lima 
wrote:


Hi!

Building upon Regis' suggestion, OpenOffice has a 1.600-page long
Developer's Guide. I myself have referred to this book on some occasions,
because it is a good introduction to the API.

https://wiki.openoffice.org/w/images/d/d9/DevelopersGuide_OOo3.1.0.pdf

However, LibreOffice needs its own book, since differences between LO and
OO are increasing over time. Hence, one possible idea would be to create a
LO Developer's Guide.

The main problem is that 1.600 pages is too long, so this could be broken
down into two separate proposals.

Regards,
Refael Lima

On Thu, Mar 11, 2021 at 8:36 AM Juan C. Sanz 
wrote:


Hello

I think we need documentation on macro creation, especially on macro
creation in python (which is so fashionable lately). All documentation
on macros in basic is outdated and it is from OpenOffice (which, I'm
afraid, will be unavailable soon) and there is very little, almost
nothing, on python and it is scattered.

Regards

Juan C. Sanz

El 11/03/2021 a las 2:20, Regis Perdreau escribió:

HI Olivier

Some real documentations for developers who want to enter the

libreoffice

projet.
Many papers are scattered, outdated. May be too ambitious.

Best Regards

Régis Perdreau



Le jeu. 11 mars 2021 à 01:29, Felipe Viggiano 

a

écrit :


Hello Olivier,

I would like to suggest a project idea:
Set up the LO Guides in an HTML format, with the requirement to make it
easy to be updated by the DOC Team.

Best regards,
Felipe Viggiano

Em qua., 10 de mar. de 2021 às 09:52, Olivier Hallot <
olivier.hal...@libreoffice.org> escreveu:


Hello Good Doc' People

We will have the opportunity to apply for the 2021 edition of Google
Seasons of Doc.

The program is open to technical writers to work closely with open
source projects, and LibreOffice & TDF qualify as in 2019 and 2020
editions.

The program is open to any technical writer. You may apply too.

We need ideas. What are your ideas for LibreOffice documentation?
Samples...

+ More e-learning classes (Moodle)?
+ Doc' for Accessibility (idea by Regina Henschel)?
+ Work on unfinished guides? Update to 7.1?
+ How-to's library ?
+ Collection of best Askbot Q ?
+ Notebook of exercises for training classes?
+ Any important doc community still miss?
+ ...
+ ...
+ ...

PLease let us know your ideas ! If you have personal ideas that adds
values to the LibreOffice community, you're on business too.

Ideas already noted:





https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/GSoDOC/2021#Ideas_for_Documentation_technical_writing

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] How to translate documentation/online help?

[Ilmari Lauhakangas]

On 7.3.2021 16.32, RIYADH TALAL wrote:

Hello everyone,
How to translate the online help in:

https://help.libreoffice.org/latest/ar/text/shared/05/new_help.html

A translator wishes to work only on documentation translation into Arabic
and I failed to figure it out from the instructions on the wiki!


https://translations.documentfoundation.org/languages/ar/libo_help-master/

Note that the online help is also available as offline packages.

Ilmari

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Discrepancies exist

[Ilmari Lauhakangas]

On 1.3.2021 14.20, Robert Morris wrote:

I am trying to modify menus in LibreOffice Writer. I am using
‘LibreOffice_7.0.4_Linux_x86-64_deb’ on Ubuntu 20.04. I have visited
‘https://documentation.libreoffice.org/assets/Uploads/Documentation/en/GS5.2/HTML/GS5214-CustomizingLibreOffice.html 

’ 


and on the page I see information about creating a New menu. Reference
is made to a New button that is present in the Customize dialog.
However, my Customize dialog has no such button. I have tried different
office applications and none of them produce a Customize dialog with a
New menu button. Can you explain why this is? Thanks for your time.


You are reading the guide for version 5.2. Please refer to the guide for 
7.0, page 410: 
https://documentation.libreoffice.org/assets/Uploads/Documentation/en/GS7.0/GS70-GettingStarted.pdf


Ilmari

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Heads up! Change in object anchoring for release 7.1

[Ilmari Lauhakangas]

On 28.2.2021 13.21, Olivier Hallot wrote:

Hi Team

LibreOffice Writer 7.1 dropped the To Page anchoring option when 
inserting an object in the document. Existing To Page anchored objects 
are preserved but not an option anymore for new objects.


This is not entirely true. Gone are the context menu option and toolbar 
button option. Position and size dialog still allows you to set the 
anchoring To Page.


This was done in https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=135836

Currently, some contributors and users are resisting this change and 
calling for a revert.


Ilmari

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Metadata Loss LO 7.1.0.2

[Ilmari Lauhakangas]

On 21.1.2021 14.50, Dave Barton wrote:

Version: 7.1.0.2 (x64) / LibreOffice Community
Build ID: 53d68d29d90fd16448721a60aad68c28ff0809f5
CPU threads: 8; OS: Windows 10.0 Build 19042; UI render: Skia/Raster;
VCL: win
Locale: en-US (en_US); UI-Language: en-US
Calc: threaded

Before raising a bug report I would like to know if anyone else is
seeing this issue:

* Normally when a new document is created in Writer the Document
Properties Title field is automatically filled with the name of the
template (eg. Default) upon which the document is based.

* Changing the Document Properties Title field in a new or existing
document blanks the field in the saved file.

* Opening the saved file in any other version of LO restores the field
lost in version 7.1.0.2


Are you sure you are getting "Default" in the title? I only get a 
pre-filled title with some template like Modern business letter. Works 
fine with 7.2 at least.


Ilmari

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] GS7010-PrintExportEmailSign - Screenshot Streched and Cropped on Page 8

[Ilmari Lauhakangas]

On 15.1.2021 1.24, W T wrote:

Hello Team,

I am currently reviewing GS7010-PrintExportEmailSign and have a question.

At the top of page 8, there is a screenshot for Figure 3. Printing a
selection of text.
When I use the LibreOffice online, the screenshot looks fine as shown here:
https://snipboard.io/rhmEOo.jpg

But when I use the Windows desktop version of LibreOffice Writer (version
7.0.4.2 (x64)) the image looks stretched and cropped as shown here:
https://snipboard.io/hxWyAY.jpg

Has anyone had the same experience?  Is this a bug on the Windows version
of LO Writer?


It looks fine for me on Windows. Maybe experiment with this setting to 
see, if its states have any effect: Tools - Options - LibreOffice - View 
- Use Skia for all rendering


Ilmari

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Placing Basic macro code on the wiki

[Ilmari Lauhakangas]

Thanks, I'm reviewing them.

I added categories.

I added {{#translation:}} suffixes to the menu templates.

Today we discovered that we can't yet use the sidebar language list, so 
we switched back to the old style. This means we have to keep adding the 
 element at the top after all. The reason is that in the 
sidebar, the English item will have a link ending in /en and visiting 
this link will show broken menu templates. This will fortunately be 
solved after this task is completed: 
https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T47096


This sort of breaking up of sentences should not be done, because not 
all languages have the same rules for word order as English:
This [[Media:Create_named_range_with_macro.ods | 
Calc spreadsheet ]] contains the above 
LibreOffice Basic code.


Ilmari

On 11.1.2021 12.53, Steve Fanning wrote:

Hi Ilmari,

Thank you for the feedback.

I have added translation markups to all twelve of the new pages and 
marked them for translation. I've also marked the index page for 
translation.


Please let me know if you spot anything relating to translation that I 
have implemented in a sub-optimal way.


Regards,

Steve



On 09/01/2021 20:05, Ilmari Lauhakangas wrote:
It looked fine, thanks for the work. I added {{#translation:}} 
suffixes to the macro page links, so they will always point to the 
pages in the relevant language.


Ilmari

On 9.1.2021 17.53, Steve Fanning wrote:
I have completed creating English versions of the wiki pages that 
include the Basic macros from Chapter 13 of the Calc Guide.


The index page for these files can be found at 
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Macros/Calc. I have added some 
translation markups to this index page . However, I've never done 
this before. Would it be possible for Ilmari (or somebody else with 
the appropriate knowledge) to have a look at this page and advise if 
any of these translation markups are inappropriate?


Thanks in advance.

Regards,

Steve



On 05/01/2021 16:35, Steve Fanning wrote:

Thanks Ilmari.

I expect there to be twelve of these pages. I plan to create all of 
the pages first and then add the translation markups afterwards.


I will confirm via the email list when I am finished. Maybe you or 
somebody else with suitable knowledge would give the pages a quick 
check at that point, just to make sure that I have not done anything 
wrong in terms of adding the translation markups.


The technical details of the pages shouldn't need much checking as 
they are mostly copied directly from the published 7.0 Calc Guide.


Regards,

Steve


On 05/01/2021 06:56, Ilmari Lauhakangas wrote:
The translation needs to be prepared by hand according to these 
instructions: 
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/TDF_Wiki/Multilingual#Content_with_global_focus 



In this case it is a bit tedious as you ideally have to include 
many snippets in the translation (while excluding the content and 
markup that should remain untranslated). I guess the argument names 
in the description section could be included in the translation. 
You would also want to include every single comment in the example 
code block.


Ilmari

On 4.1.2021 22.33, Steve Fanning wrote:

Thanks Ilmari,

I have created one of the pages at 
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Macros/Calc/ba019. Do I need 
to do anything to prepare it for translation?


Regards,

Steve


On 04/01/2021 11:09, Ilmari Lauhakangas wrote:

On 4.1.2021 12.54, Steve Fanning wrote:

Hi Ilmari,

Could you give me some advice with regards to the wiki please?

I am in the process of updating Chapter 13 of the Calc Guide to 
change its emphasis away from macro programming. There are some 
useful LibreOffice Basic macro code snippets which are to be 
removed from the document, but I do not want to lose them 
completely. Therefore, I propose to add them to the wiki – the 
page at https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Macros/Calc seems a 
good place to start.


Two questions arise:

1. Can I view a list of all the pages currently in the
    https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Macros/Calc area?


https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Special:PrefixIndex?prefix=Macros%2FCalc=0 




2. What would be the best material for me to read to understand the
    markup that should be included to format the code snippets 
nicely?


I think we found that lang set to vbnet is the best for syntax 
highlighting, so put your code inside a block like:





Ilmari













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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Placing Basic macro code on the wiki

[Ilmari Lauhakangas]

It looked fine, thanks for the work. I added {{#translation:}} suffixes 
to the macro page links, so they will always point to the pages in the 
relevant language.


Ilmari

On 9.1.2021 17.53, Steve Fanning wrote:
I have completed creating English versions of the wiki pages that 
include the Basic macros from Chapter 13 of the Calc Guide.


The index page for these files can be found at 
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Macros/Calc. I have added some 
translation markups to this index page . However, I've never done this 
before. Would it be possible for Ilmari (or somebody else with the 
appropriate knowledge) to have a look at this page and advise if any of 
these translation markups are inappropriate?


Thanks in advance.

Regards,

Steve



On 05/01/2021 16:35, Steve Fanning wrote:

Thanks Ilmari.

I expect there to be twelve of these pages. I plan to create all of 
the pages first and then add the translation markups afterwards.


I will confirm via the email list when I am finished. Maybe you or 
somebody else with suitable knowledge would give the pages a quick 
check at that point, just to make sure that I have not done anything 
wrong in terms of adding the translation markups.


The technical details of the pages shouldn't need much checking as 
they are mostly copied directly from the published 7.0 Calc Guide.


Regards,

Steve


On 05/01/2021 06:56, Ilmari Lauhakangas wrote:
The translation needs to be prepared by hand according to these 
instructions: 
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/TDF_Wiki/Multilingual#Content_with_global_focus 



In this case it is a bit tedious as you ideally have to include many 
snippets in the translation (while excluding the content and markup 
that should remain untranslated). I guess the argument names in the 
description section could be included in the translation. You would 
also want to include every single comment in the example code block.


Ilmari

On 4.1.2021 22.33, Steve Fanning wrote:

Thanks Ilmari,

I have created one of the pages at 
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Macros/Calc/ba019. Do I need to 
do anything to prepare it for translation?


Regards,

Steve


On 04/01/2021 11:09, Ilmari Lauhakangas wrote:

On 4.1.2021 12.54, Steve Fanning wrote:

Hi Ilmari,

Could you give me some advice with regards to the wiki please?

I am in the process of updating Chapter 13 of the Calc Guide to 
change its emphasis away from macro programming. There are some 
useful LibreOffice Basic macro code snippets which are to be 
removed from the document, but I do not want to lose them 
completely. Therefore, I propose to add them to the wiki – the 
page at https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Macros/Calc seems a 
good place to start.


Two questions arise:

1. Can I view a list of all the pages currently in the
    https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Macros/Calc area?


https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Special:PrefixIndex?prefix=Macros%2FCalc=0 




2. What would be the best material for me to read to understand the
    markup that should be included to format the code snippets 
nicely?


I think we found that lang set to vbnet is the best for syntax 
highlighting, so put your code inside a block like:





Ilmari









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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Placing Basic macro code on the wiki

[Ilmari Lauhakangas]

On 4.1.2021 12.54, Steve Fanning wrote:

Hi Ilmari,

Could you give me some advice with regards to the wiki please?

I am in the process of updating Chapter 13 of the Calc Guide to change 
its emphasis away from macro programming. There are some useful 
LibreOffice Basic macro code snippets which are to be removed from the 
document, but I do not want to lose them completely. Therefore, I 
propose to add them to the wiki – the page at 
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Macros/Calc seems a good place to 
start.


Two questions arise:

1. Can I view a list of all the pages currently in the
    https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Macros/Calc area?


https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Special:PrefixIndex?prefix=Macros%2FCalc=0


2. What would be the best material for me to read to understand the
    markup that should be included to format the code snippets nicely?


I think we found that lang set to vbnet is the best for syntax 
highlighting, so put your code inside a block like:





Ilmari

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Getting started + working on the wiki?

[Ilmari Lauhakangas]

You don't need any special rights to edit the wiki stuff.

Back in June, I listed the remaining pages needing translation to English:
https://listarchives.tdf.io/i/kQK3S0AM6KuQViycHyueq4la

Some of these might already be translated after I sent my message.

As a particular note, I'm not sure if the Advisories article should be 
translated or deleted, because we have a page about security advisories 
on the libreoffice.org website.


I updated the French contents earlier to match updates in the user 
interface (except for screenshots).


The way it would go with the translation is that you:

1. Create the English page while removing the /fr suffix, like 
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Base/020
2. While adding the English paragraphs, make the structure correspond to 
the French text, so it will be easier to migrate the French over as 
translated strings later
3. While still editing the English page, finalise it by adding 
 elements as described in 
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/TDF_Wiki/Multilingual#Content_with_global_focus
4. After saving the English page, mark the page for translation and wait 
5-10 minutes for the wiki jobs to be run
5. Follow these instructions to migrate the French content into the new 
translation system: 
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/TDF_Wiki/Multilingual#Migrating_old_translated_content_to_the_current_system


If needed, I can help via a call with screensharing.

Ilmari

On 8.12.2020 17.52, Katie Knish wrote:

Thanks so much for your reply, Sam! I'm in the middle of reading the
Documentation Contributors' Guide, and I'm waiting on access to NextCloud.
Looking forward to helping out with the Getting Started Guide once I do!

I read here  that more of the FAQ
needs to be translated from French—je parle assez bien le français, donc je
pourrais traduire quelques sections, si ça vous aiderait. Does anyone know
if I need NextCloud access to help with translating? If not, how can I
help?

Olivier mentioned that I could help with the Help contents if I have some
knowledge of programming, which I do. Could someone let me know how to
contribute?

(If these ought to be separate messages to the listserv, please let me
know!)

Thanks!
Katie

On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 7:30 AM Samantha Hamilton <
samanthahamilton0...@gmail.com> wrote:


Hi, Katie,

I, too, started with editing and reviewing. I have found it a great place
to learn the contribution workflow and Libre Office software in general.

I imagine you've followed along with the Getting Started

 wiki?
If not, this page provides a great snapshot of how to get started
reviewing. For the guides, you'll want to get single sign-on access for
NextCloud, as this is where the bulk of the documentation is stored. Once
registered, I know that the Getting Started Guide is looking for
reviewers!

As for helping with the wiki, perhaps someone else has suggestions for
contributing?

Hopefully, this helps! Let me know if you have any other questions.
Best,
Sam

Samantha Hamilton
darling docs

[image: darling docs logo]  [image:
LinkedIn icon]  [image:
Github icon] 


On Mon, Dec 7, 2020 at 5:46 PM Katie Knish  wrote:


Hi everyone,

I'm still working on getting started. Does anyone have advice on where an
editor should start? Potentially anything that needs to be rewritten? I'd
eventually like to write, but since I was an editor for 8+ years, I
thought
editing/reviewing would be a better place for me to start.

I think I'm most interested in helping with the Wiki. Can someone tell me
where to start?

Thanks so much, and I apologize if these are questions with obvious
answers.

Katie

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] How to give subtitles to a video using kdenlive in ubuntu ? - YouTube

[Ilmari Lauhakangas]

On 7.12.2020 22.32, Paul Sutton wrote:

Hi All

I installed kedenlive earlier so have now also found a video showing how 
to add captions / subtitles to a video, so am going to have a go with a 
video from the source files I have here for Libreoffice.


Hopefully I can add some captions to the videos too.

Should be fine for most of them, the one where I am adding numbers 
together in a table may be more tricky,  as the bar is at the bottom of 
the screen.


I need to add a solid background to the caption so any wording stands 
out properly but I will try and figure that one out.


Why not create them in .srt text format with some subtitling software 
instead? You can upload .srts to YouTube: 
https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/2734698


An example of a FOSS subtitle editor: https://subtitlecomposer.kde.org/

Ilmari

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Thoughts on Rafael Lima's suggestions in updated Preface of Writer Guide

[Ilmari Lauhakangas]

Please file any requests related to web things to 
https://redmine.documentfoundation.org/projects/infrastructure/issues 
instead of Bugzilla.


Ilmari

On 6.12.2020 9.37, kees...@libreoffice.org wrote:

Hi All

I like to add an issue
Help - User Guides refers to 
https://documentation.libreoffice.org/en/english-documentation/ and in 
Dutch to 
https://documentation.libreoffice.org/nl/documentatie-in-het-nederlands/.
However the Dutch community does not support the guides there. Maybe 
other languages also do not support that page.
The Dutch Guides are to be found at 
https://nl.libreoffice.org/ondersteuning/documentatie/.
So it would be preferable to be able to change the link there, maybe via 
Weblate.

I already logged a change request in Bugzilla, but no response yet.

Regards, Kees

Jean Weber schreef op 05.12.2020 23:50:

Rafael Lima has made some suggestions in his update to the Preface of
Writer Guide. I thought I would mention them here because they are
relevant to more than just this document. Thank you to Rafael for the
thoughtful comments.

Rafael points out that this web page (or links on it) needs updating:
https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/install-howto/
He says, "For example, the snap version refers to LO 5.2. Also, I did
not find any mention of the AppImage version."
Could someone file a bug report, if one has not been filed already?

Rafael asked about the What's This? item on the Help menu. "This
feature does not seem to be working in LO 7.0. It still exists in Help

What’s this but it does nothing. Apparently it was not working on

6.4 either. Shouldn’t we remove this from the guide? And also from the
Help menu via a enhancement request at Bugzilla?"

Olivier said some time ago that What's This? is working in some
dialogs but not all, and the non-working ones are being fixed, but it
will take awhile. I forget the details. The question of whether to
remove the item from the Help menu until working everywhere is not one
we can answer. But as long as it is there, it needs to be mentioned in
the user guides, without going into details. I note that the Preface
to the GS guide for 7.0 has a longer explanation, but I think that
explanation is incorrect or incomplete. The Calc Guide 7.0 has the
same explanation as om GS but also a Note: "The What’s This? facility
and extended tips are being improved but in LibreOffice 7.0 this work
is incomplete and so they are not fully functional." I think that is a
good approach, though I would prefer to leave out the somewhat
detailed explanation.

Rafael suggests leaving the link to OpenOffice Forum off the table of
free support for LO, as LO moves away from AOO in terms of
functionality. All of the books (AFAIK) have the same table, so this
is a wider matter than just Writer Guide. I haven't looked at the
forum recently to have an idea how helpful it might still be for LO
users, but I'm inclined to agree with Rafael. Would appreciate some
discussion on this.

Lastly, Rafael says the "Check for Updates" Help menu item does not
exist on Linux. It does on my Linux installation.

Jean




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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Wiki articles JoinDocTeam & Cloud

[Ilmari Lauhakangas]

On 4.12.2020 13.17, Dave Barton wrote:

On 03/12/2020 12:51, Ilmari Lauhakangas wrote:

I think it would be a good idea to somehow synchronise these two articles:
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/DocumentationTeamInfo/JoinDocTeam



https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Cloud



I'm not sure, if there needs to be this separate Cloud article. Why not
replace the last section of JoinDocTeam with its contents? Translations
could be copied over.


If I remember correctly, the
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Cloud page was
originally created to provide an interim source of information during
the change from ODF Authors to NextCloud.

This is now covered in Chapter 1 of the Documentation Contributors'
Guide, the revision of which is currently under review. The equivalent
wiki pages will be updated when the cloud chapters have been fully revised.

When the Documentation Contributors' Guide is published, I propose that
this "temporary" wiki page be deleted, or at the very least flagged as
having been replaced by a section in Chapter 1 of the guide.


Thanks. An example of different advice:

JoinDocTeam page has: "After your login is confirmed, contact the 
Documentation leader through the mailing list to obtain access to the 
LibreOffice Documentation folder on TDF NextCloud."


Cloud page has: "Contact documentation at libreoffice dot org to inform 
your username and to proceed with getting access to the LibreOffice 
Documentation folders in Nextcloud."


Ilmari

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[libreoffice-documentation] Wiki articles JoinDocTeam & Cloud

[Ilmari Lauhakangas]

I think it would be a good idea to somehow synchronise these two articles:
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/DocumentationTeamInfo/JoinDocTeam
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Cloud

I'm not sure, if there needs to be this separate Cloud article. Why not 
replace the last section of JoinDocTeam with its contents? Translations 
could be copied over.


Ilmari

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Contributor Workflow

[Ilmari Lauhakangas]

The guide index is at 
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/DocumentationTeamInfo


If you look at the chapters, you can click "View History" for each of them.

Going by the changes, we can see that this is the only article that 
received updates after your introduction: 
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/DocumentationTeamInfo/UsingAuthorsWebsite


Ilmari

On 28.11.2020 2.37, Chris wrote:


Hi All,




I signed up to be on the mailing list last month and created an SSO account. I 
downloaded the software and reviewed the user documentation and have been 
trying to learn the software when I can. At the time Dave mentioned that the 
workflow and instructions in the contributor’s guide book were being updated. I 
just wanted to check in and see if there is any new information available.




Thanks for the help.




Regards,


Chris Smith




Sent fromMailfor Windows 10


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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] contributor job descriptions

[Ilmari Lauhakangas]

On 26.11.2020 12.03, Paul Sutton wrote:
There are several groups local to me, seeking to help people back in to 
employment (which I am looking for myself) however as part of this there 
are some initiatives to give people experience in various roles.


Part of this is that people are given a job / role description,  is 
there anything like this for LibreOffice contribution? Set out what 
people will be doing, expectations and prior knowledge etc


I am sort of asking this, because we could approach people and have this 
information to hand.


It would be good to promote what opportunities there are but I have a 
feeling we need to be more formalized to get anywhere.


Clearly knowledge of free software is essential or at least know it is 
not free as in cost but free as in freedom (something many struggle with).


The job description comes with the area one is working on: you are a 
member of the documentation/QA/design team.


You might be interested in this: 
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Volunteer_platforms


I have dealt with over 280 volunteer contacts through these platforms 
(total responded to, doesn't mean it lead to a discussion).


Ilmari

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Who is Jun Nogata

[Ilmari Lauhakangas]

On 23.11.2020 11.17, Dave Barton wrote:

On 23/11/2020 08:50, Ilmari Lauhakangas wrote:

On 22.11.2020 23.49, Dave Barton wrote:

Today I went to finish making a Wiki edit of a "Contributor Guide"
chapter I was working on and I see someone by the name of Jun Nogata has
been editing this and other chapters of the guide.

If this person can be identified I would like to ask some questions bout
their edits.


Jun is a long time member of the Japanese community. You can always
contact any wiki editor by going to their user page and clicking "Email
this user" in the left sidebar.

Ilmari


Thanks Ilmari, but the "Email
  this user" option didn't work for me when I tried to use it yesterday.


Seems to work for me. I just sent you an email using it.

Ilmari

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Who is Jun Nogata

[Ilmari Lauhakangas]

On 22.11.2020 23.49, Dave Barton wrote:

Today I went to finish making a Wiki edit of a "Contributor Guide"
chapter I was working on and I see someone by the name of Jun Nogata has
been editing this and other chapters of the guide.

If this person can be identified I would like to ask some questions bout
their edits.


Jun is a long time member of the Japanese community. You can always 
contact any wiki editor by going to their user page and clicking "Email 
this user" in the left sidebar.


Ilmari

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Intro

[Ilmari Lauhakangas]

Mike Saunders kirjoitti 17.11.2020 klo 10.44:

Hi Paul,

On 16/11/2020 22:03, Paul Sutton wrote:


I am Paul, from the UK, I decided to join the list as I am part of the
Debian Academy project, as part of this, and more generally, I have been
producing Screenshots and Video (using VokoScreen) and decided to join
here as these may be useful to the LO team(s) too.


Great, welcome!


A few videos are also on my Peertube account at

https://diode.zone/my-account/video-channels


I look after the official LibreOffice YouTube channel (and we're
increasingly mirroring videos on PeerTube too), so I'm eager to check
these out. However, that link just redirects me to
https://diode.zone/login -- is there anything else I need to do?


This seems to be a working section: 
https://diode.zone/accounts/zleap/video-channels


Ilmari

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Data Provider and links to external data

[Ilmari Lauhakangas]

Martyn Shiner kirjoitti 12.10.2020 klo 9.35:

There is no documentation for the Data provider
https://help.libreoffice.org/6.2/en-US/text/scalc/01/data_provider.html 
(https://link.getmailspring.com/link/a6624d0f-e397-430e-9e0e-99696a24f...@getmailspring.com/0?redirect=https%3A%2F%2Fhelp.libreoffice.org%2F6.2%2Fen-US%2Ftext%2Fscalc%2F01%2Fdata_provider.html=ZG9jdW1lbnRhdGlvbkBnbG9iYWwubGlicmVvZmZpY2Uub3Jn)
Also it'd be useful if the differences between database connects, links ti 
external sheets et could be better documented and the differences explained.
I'm willing to help with docs, testing and bug filing as I'm interested in this 
area.
Is there a way I can reach out to the devs responsible and then get something 
going?


It is a good idea to first create a bug report with product LibreOffice 
and component Documentation: 
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/BugReport


Ilmari

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Documentation Team Meeting Minutes October 8th 2020 at 18:00 UTC.

[Ilmari Lauhakangas]

Olivier Hallot kirjoitti 9.10.2020 klo 0.57:

Documentation Team Meeting Minutes October 8th 2020 at 18:00 UTC.

  + API documentation (Soren Jonsson)
 + sent mail to doc list, no answer, will resend
 + API doc is hard for end-users, occasional macro programmer (OH)
 + Was writen for developers, familiar to object-oriented
languages (RL)
 + Tried to code calc cell border in python, took time (RL)
 + Many Help pages on python by LibreOfficiant, please check (OH)
 + Interested in topic too (Travis)
+ there is a working group on scripting devel and doc (OH)


The old OOo dev guide will be imported to TDF wiki. The project has been 
stalled due to lack of volunteer time.


Ilmari

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] How do I publish a patch to Gerrit for peer review?

[Ilmari Lauhakangas]

You can add Olivier Hallot.

Ilmari

Travis Stewart kirjoitti 1.10.2020 klo 8.16:

Thanks, should I add someone as a reviewer? Or should I leave that blank?

On Thu, 1 Oct 2020 at 02:10, Ilmari Lauhakangas 
<mailto:ilmari.lauhakan...@libreoffice.org>> wrote:


Travis Stewart kirjoitti 1.10.2020 klo 3.58:
 > Hi,
 > I tried to submit a patch to fix a typo to test the process for
editing
 > help pages. After I edited the file and saved the edits, I
clicked Publish
 > Edit. The instructions say that I need to click the Publish
button to make
 > it reviewable.
 >
 > "Once all files of your patch are edited and you are done with
editing, you
 > must publish your change. click the Publish Edit button to
generate the
 > patch. Initially, the patch is created as a Draft, i.e., not
published to
 > be reviewable by others. To submit it for peer review in gerrit,
click
 > another Publish button that appears after you clicked Publish Edit."
 >
 > But I don't see a Publish button. Has the user interface or patch
workflow
 > changed? Is there another step that I need to do to make it
reviewable?

Yes, unfortunately the instructions in the wiki are out of date. The
up-to-date instructions are in
https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/Documentation/user-inline-edit.html

Ilmari

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Please give your feedback for this document edit

[Ilmari Lauhakangas]

Please always add your signature at the end of your reply by clicking on 
the "Signature and timestamp" button between Italics and Link button.


Consult this: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Talk_pages

Use : for indenting your replies, so the hierarchy is communicated (see 
the help article).


Ilmari

Steve (GMail) kirjoitti 2.9.2020 klo 22.08:

Thanks Olivier, that's fine.

I've put a useless test comment on the ACOS page.  We'd better remember 
to initial our comments so that Ronnie knows who has raised each one.


Regards,

Steve


-- Original Message --
From: "Olivier Hallot" 
To: documentation@global.libreoffice.org
Sent: 02/09/2020 19:41:23
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Please give your feedback for 
this document edit



Hi Steve

Each wiki page has (after login) a discussion tab on the top left.

It appeared to me a good place to add comments on the page being edited,
about the technicalities...

Olivier



Em 02/09/2020 10:20, Steve (GMail) escreveu:

 Hi Ronnie and Olivier,

 During our Monday meeting, I think it was suggested that we could 
record

 comments within the wiki itself (rather than via email). Is that so and
 what's the best way to do this?

 Regards,

 Steve


 -- Original Message --
 From: "GANDHI RONNIE" 
 To: "Steve (GMail)" 
 Cc: "Documentation Team" 
 Sent: 02/09/2020 13:40:41
 Subject: Re: Re[4]: [libreoffice-documentation] Please give your
 feedback for this document edit


 Hello Steve,

 Done!

 I don't think there's any need to change the wording throughout to
 reflect the name "arccosine". I just thought it would be worth
 mentioning in the Summary sub-section that "inverse trigonometric
 cosine" and "arccosine", and maybe even "arccos", are just different
 names for the same thing.


 I have written the code and generating new ones will take a few
 minutes only, it just a matter of choice also I have moved them to
 additional section.
 With regards to the GIF, I'm quite happy with the animated 
version. My

 motivation for raising the comment was a concern that there might be
 more effort involved for you to create the animated GIF compared 
to the
 static equivalent. As long as it isn't too onerous for you, that's 
fine.



 I think opening in a new tab is better but as far as I know we need to
 make that adjustment on Admin Home -> Editing and Plugins, General
 Settings Tab, "External links and images" section. Which will open all
 external links in the new window.

 One further general point for discussion, the link to ODF standard
 currently takes the user off our wiki. Should we consider opening the
 ODF page in a new browser window?

 I'm looking forward to reviewing some more.

 I will send some more pages soon.


 Regards,

 Steve



 -- Original Message --
 From: "GANDHI RONNIE" 
 To: "Steve (GMail)" 
 Cc: "Documentation Team" 
 Sent: 02/09/2020 12:14:51
 Subject: Re: Re[2]: [libreoffice-documentation] Please give your
 feedback for this document edit

 >Hello Steve,
 >
 >  Thanks for your comments.
 >>As Olivier commented, this update is what we hoped for.
 >>
 >>A few further comments for you to consider:
 >>
 >
 >>SUMMARY SUB-SECTION
 >Thats a good suggestion.Done!
 >>1.    Should the summary state that this function calculates the
 >>“principal value”, which is an accepted term I believe.
 >
 >If we see Microsoft's description they have used arccosine 
everywhere

 >should we also shift to it. I actually continued what already exists
 >but we can consider. What do you say?
 >>2.    Similarly, would it be worth mentioning “arc cosine” as 
well as

 >>“inverse trigonometric cosine”.
 >>
 >
 >>ARGUMENTS SUB-SECTION
 >Done!
 >>1.    Since the Syntax sub-section gives the argument name as 
Number,

 >>I
 >>would suggest that the singular form is used in this subsection 
too.
 >>2.    A very minor point, but is it worth putting a plus sign 
before

 >>“1”?
 >>3.    I would be wary about using the acronym NaN which may not be
 >>familiar to some of our users. Perhaps replace with the more 
specific

 >>“an invalid numeric value (#NUM!) error”.
 >Actually I should apologise as I somehow skipped this line and 
actually

 >it doesn't make any sense to me as well. Actually I found that this
 >line is coming from the description section of this
 >https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/JavaScript/Reference/Global_Objects/Math/acos#:~:text=acos()%20method%20returns%20a,Math%20is%20not%20a%20constructor). 



 >webpage but it makes little sense for our users here to be added 
hence

 >I  have removed it.
 >>4.    Apologies but I do not know what the last sentence really 
means

 >>(“Because ACOS is a static method of Math, you always use it as
 >>Math”).
 >>
 >Thanks
 >>EXAMPLES SUB-SECTION
 >>1.    I think the format looks great.
 >Done
 >>2.    In description for third and fourth examples, radian and 
degree

 >>should both be plural.
 >>3.    In description for fourth example, insert “by” before 
180/PI().
 >>4.    In 

Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Calc's Z-test tool

[Ilmari Lauhakangas]

Thanks! That was my gut feeling.

So the immediate action would be to change the screenshots in Help and 
Calc guide so the variance cells have non-zero values, also adding a 
note to the instructions.


A further question is, should we consider adding fields for inputting 
variance values into the Z-test tool itself? Looking at Microsoft Office 
docs, Excel has these. This would become an enhancement request in Bugzilla.


Ilmari

Mark Morin kirjoitti 2.9.2020 klo 2.57:

Variance can't be zero for analysis of variance tests (t test, F test,
etc). Statistical testing assumes that you have variance otherwise you
really wouldn't need a test.

On 9/1/2020 4:48 PM, Ilmari Lauhakangas wrote:

I was looking at a bug report again:
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=132983

The reporter is scratching their head over the "division by zero"
result for z.

 From what I can see, the "Known variance" values can't both be zero,
if you want to avoid the #DIV/0! results. You have to give at least
one of them a positive non-zero value.

Now, looking at Help:
https://help.libreoffice.org/7.1/en-US/text/scalc/01/statistics_test_z.html


and the Calc guide chapter CG7009-DataAnalysis-SF-12Aug2020, we see
this same "division by zero" result and the reader is left holding it.

How to present this better in the docs? I have no experience on the
topic, but I hope we can find some statistician to shed light on this!

Ilmari





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[libreoffice-documentation] Calc's Z-test tool

[Ilmari Lauhakangas]

I was looking at a bug report again: 
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=132983


The reporter is scratching their head over the "division by zero" result 
for z.


From what I can see, the "Known variance" values can't both be zero, if 
you want to avoid the #DIV/0! results. You have to give at least one of 
them a positive non-zero value.


Now, looking at Help:
https://help.libreoffice.org/7.1/en-US/text/scalc/01/statistics_test_z.html

and the Calc guide chapter CG7009-DataAnalysis-SF-12Aug2020, we see this 
same "division by zero" result and the reader is left holding it.


How to present this better in the docs? I have no experience on the 
topic, but I hope we can find some statistician to shed light on this!


Ilmari

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[libreoffice-documentation] Chart Data Labels, text label displayed with "Show category"

[Ilmari Lauhakangas]

There was a bug report about displaying data labels, which are pulled 
from a cell range: 
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=132280


It appears to me that the passages in Help and Calc Guide might benefit 
from more elaboration on this topic.


Just thought I would throw this out here immediately for feedback. I can 
do a patch for Help, if someone comes up with a proposal.


Ilmari

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Uploading files to the wiki

[Ilmari Lauhakangas]

Steve (GMail) kirjoitti 24.6.2020 klo 1.45:

All,

In publishing the Calc Guide, it was necessary to upload all the book 
and chapter PDF and ODT files. A total of 34 files.


Earlier today I uploaded these one file at a time, which was a bit 
laborious. Is there any way to quickly upload multiple files like these 
to the wiki?


Looks like it is possible with three different (actively-maintained) 
extensions: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Category:Bulk_upload


Now we just need to pick one. Perhaps you can evaluate them and give a 
recommendation :)


Ilmari

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Support for

[Ilmari Lauhakangas]

I've briefly mentioned Mallard at some point in the doc chat. It is one 
candidate for XHP replacement, but in general, it is very difficult to 
find a doc markup solution that has a good balance of power and 
human-readability.


For example, Asciidoc and ReStructuredText are two big ones, but it 
could be said they fail the balancing test and thus provide nothing of 
value over XHP's XML.


A recent candidate is MyST, which extends Markdown's CommonMark spec: 
https://myst-parser.readthedocs.io/en/latest/using/syntax.html
It is work-in-progress at the moment. It is possible that it would hit a 
sweet spot regarding the balance.


I've been following NixOS's effort to decide what they should move to 
from DocBook: https://github.com/NixOS/rfcs/pull/64
Their conclusion is rather depressing: "There is no good solution. All 
the options kind-of suck."


In any case, it would be a massive investment on all fronts to move from 
XHP to something else, so they benefits really need to be clear. 
Personally I would like us to move to something better, but we can't do 
that, if nothing better exists :)


Ilmari

Olivier Hallot kirjoitti 12.6.2020 klo 0.39:

Hi Mario

We are now using the system browser to display the Help pages. We don't
use the native Help module (writer-web) anymore, it is deprecated.

The system browser displays html pages transformed at build time from
XHP. The transformation is online_transform.xsl.

We also have extended XHP to handle more simple tags. The extended xhp
is not backward compatible with LO release before 6.0

We developed an editor for xhp at the following address

https://newdesign.libreoffice.org/xhpeditor/index.php

please be indulgent, it is work in progress, but it can speed-up a lot
of the editing, the text editor is Codemirror. Instructions are in the page

https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/DocumentationHelpEditor

I was not aware of Mallard. It seems to address the same objetive. I
have not seen in Mallard: how to address translations and if there is a
WYSIWYG editor.

regards
Olivier



Em 11/06/2020 15:42, mario escreveu:

So, I went on this ditzy sidequest of writing some help pages for an UNO
plugin. Like most extension authors, I didn't feel enticed by XHP
initially; and went with Mallard here.
Now I'm wondering if the LO helpviewer can be made to recognize an
embedded stylesheet reference:

   
  
Haven't really looked this up, but I'd assume it strips out any such PIs

in favour of main_transform.xsl. Or libxslt discards it by itself when
fed an override?
Or is it just due to the relative path? (Is %origin%/… supposed to work
in this context?)

Else, couldn't the helpviewer support more than one file type? As in
preconvert *.page files itself? The formats are close enough for some
crude mapping:
   http://fossil.include-once.org/pagetranslate/artifact/4597b7ac
Fully converting  to  absolute path references would
be a bit more involving, of course. But doesn't seem totally infeasible.
(Crossposting to @projectmallard, to lure some feedback.)

Presumably there's zero demand to migrate the Open/LibreOffice help
system at large. But you know, the documentation prevalence among
extensions is a bit lower. Not sure if it's just me, or if any such
effort would be warranted there.





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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] LO version 7.0 release notes

[Ilmari Lauhakangas]

Peter Schofield kirjoitti 7.6.2020 klo 12.26:

Can someone send me a copy of the release notes for Version 7.0 or a link where 
I can download 7.0 release notes.


https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleaseNotes/7.0

Ilmari

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Advise welcome: Style inheritance question

[Ilmari Lauhakangas]

Olivier Hallot kirjoitti 2.6.2020 klo 19.37:

Hi Team

I'm working on a file that has its styles set. For example Heading 1 has
font color green.

But Heading 1 inherits from Heading. How do I remove the Heading 1 font
color so it can inherit font color from Heading?


What happens, if you set it to Automatic?

Ilmari

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Incorrect email addresses in Readme

[Ilmari Lauhakangas]

macuser33 kirjoitti 1.6.2020 klo 1.58:

The Readme included in the current macOS distribution (and presumably
others), and on  this webpage
  , contains three
instances of "...@libreoffice.org". I believe they should be
"...@*global.*libreoffice.org" instead.


Fixed on the website. I don't know how that readme gets included in the 
release packages.


Ilmari

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Augmenting help for use of LibreOffice

[Ilmari Lauhakangas]

Steve Edmonds kirjoitti 5.5.2020 klo 3.50:

Hi.
I would like to contribute to help or guidance in use of LibreOffice
where I can see it assisting current users to simplify tasks or filling
in a hole for those who may be more familiar with MSO. Not so much
explaining how LibreOffice functions but help about using LibreOffice to
complete specific tasks, especially for less experienced users (of which
we have a company full).


Sounds like you want to extend our FAQ: 
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq


Note that there are still dozens of FAQ articles untranslated from 
French to English. I recently updated them to reflect changes in menu 
paths etc. I will include a list of these at the end for reference to 
avoid duplicate work.


Ilmari

https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Advisories/fr
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Extensions/How_to_create/fr
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Base/020/fr
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Base/136/fr
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Base/137/fr
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Base/138/fr
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Base/139/fr
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Base/140/fr
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Base/141/fr
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Base/146/fr
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Base/148/fr
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Calc/003/fr
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Calc/008/fr
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Calc/009/fr
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Calc/011/fr
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Calc/014/fr
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Calc/019/fr
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Calc/023/fr
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Calc/041/fr
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Calc/112/fr
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Calc/117/fr
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Calc/120/fr
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Calc/121/fr
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Calc/127/fr
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Calc/129/fr
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Calc/133/fr
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Calc/134/fr
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Calc/147/fr
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Calc/148/fr
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Draw/001/fr
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Draw/016/fr
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Draw/106/fr
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Draw/107/fr
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Draw/108/fr
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Draw/109/fr
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Draw/110/fr
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Draw/111/fr
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Draw/112/fr
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Draw/113/fr
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Draw/114/fr
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Draw/115/fr
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Draw/116/fr
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Draw/117/fr
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/General/103/fr (outdated, should 
we remove?)

https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/General/112/fr
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/General/117/fr
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/General/144/fr
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/General/145/fr (keyboard shotcut 
differences per OS)

https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/General/149/fr
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Impress/018/fr
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Impress/109/fr
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Math/008/fr
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Math/009/fr
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Math/010/fr
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Math/011/fr
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Math/014/fr
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Math/016/fr
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Math/017/fr
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Math/018/fr
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Math/019/fr
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Math/020/fr
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Writer/006/fr
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Writer/039/fr
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Writer/043/fr
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Writer/100/fr
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Writer/106/fr
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Writer/118/fr
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Writer/119/fr
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Writer/120/fr
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Writer/121/fr
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Writer/133/fr
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Writer/141/fr
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Writer/143/fr
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Writer/149/fr
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Writer/153/fr
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Writer/164/fr
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Videos/Base/fr
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Videos/Calc/fr
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Videos/Draw/fr

Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Find & replace attributes not working

[Ilmari Lauhakangas]

Maybe you are seeing 
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=106076


Ilmari

Toni B kirjoitti 21.4.2020 klo 18.42:

Hello Team!

I could use some guidance.  I am double checking some things in updating
the Writer Chapter 3 Guide.  I can not get the *Find & Replace > Attributes*
option to work at all.  Should we report this as a bug?  Do we delete this
section from the manual?  *Format* works fine.  It is just the *Attributes*
search that doesn't work.

Please see the steps in my previous email below.  Since the instructions
say the search looks for changes from the default, I changed some of the
font colors but still no options show up in the *Find*: box.

[image: image.png]

Thank you!

Toni

On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 12:08 PM Mark Morin  wrote:


Font, font color and a lot of others can be found by selecting what you
want replaced clicking on the FORMAT button and then selecting the
formatting of the selected text that you are looking for. In the replace
field, enter the text you want to use as the replacement, click FORMAT
and select the formatting you want for that text.

For some reason ATTRIBUTES is only available for the field that you want
replaced--making it rather useless.

On 4/13/2020 8:45 AM, Toni B wrote:

Hello Team,

I am reviewing *Writer Chapter 3 Working with Text Advanced*..  Under

*Advanced

find and replace techniques -->  **Find and replace text attributes and
formatting, *I am unable to search for attributes such as *Font *or *Font
color*.  Nothing appears in the *Find *box to select.
For example, following these steps below, no options appear under the

*Find*

box to choose from:


1.

On the *Find & Replace* dialog (with *Other Options* displayed), click
the *Attributes* button.
2.

Select the attribute you wish to search for from the list in the
Attributes dialog and click *OK*. The names of the selected attributes
appear under the *Find:* box. For example, to search for text that has
been changed from the default font color, select the *Font Color*
attribute.

I am using LibreOffice Writer version 6.4.2.2 on a Windows 10 PC,  Is
anyone else able to get this working?

Thank you!

Kind regards,

Toni




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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Videos for embedded into online help

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Ilmari Lauhakangas kirjoitti 20.4.2020 klo 12.06:

Mike Saunders kirjoitti 20.4.2020 klo 11.29:

Hi Olivier,

On 18/04/2020 02:00, Olivier Hallot wrote:


I have embedded TDF videos (made by you!) In the opening pages of the
modules. Works very well. See

https://help.libreoffice.org/7.0/en-US/text/scalc/main.html?DbPAR=CALC 



(Some browsers block YouTube videos, so you may have to relax the
privacy protection to watch the video.)


Yeah, I don't see anything in Firefox, and in Chrome, just the message:

"Requests to the server have been blocked by an extension."

I have uBlock Origin installed, but disabled...


It's our content security policy, you can see this in the developer tool 
console:
Content Security Policy: The page’s settings blocked the loading of a 
resource at https://www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/-4boEj8S2JQ 
(“default-src”).


I will ping Guilhem.


Guilhem fixed the issue.

Ilmari

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Videos for embedded into online help

[Ilmari Lauhakangas]

Mike Saunders kirjoitti 20.4.2020 klo 11.29:

Hi Olivier,

On 18/04/2020 02:00, Olivier Hallot wrote:


I have embedded TDF videos (made by you!) In the opening pages of the
modules. Works very well. See

https://help.libreoffice.org/7.0/en-US/text/scalc/main.html?DbPAR=CALC

(Some browsers block YouTube videos, so you may have to relax the
privacy protection to watch the video.)


Yeah, I don't see anything in Firefox, and in Chrome, just the message:

"Requests to the server have been blocked by an extension."

I have uBlock Origin installed, but disabled...


It's our content security policy, you can see this in the developer tool 
console:
Content Security Policy: The page’s settings blocked the loading of a 
resource at https://www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/-4boEj8S2JQ 
(“default-src”).


I will ping Guilhem.

Ilmari

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Documentation Team Wiki

[Ilmari Lauhakangas]

Yes, but this was not the point of my reply. The point was to respond to 
Dan's message "There was a page as I remember putting some information 
about myself more than a decade ago".


Olivier is looking into creating a new team page template, please stand by.

Ilmari

Pulkit Krishna kirjoitti 18.4.2020 klo 16.09:

Hello,
That page is  very out of date and only has links to team members' pages,
not a summary in one place. See the link to the design team's page in my
previous post.I was thinking about something like that. I know there is'nt
a page like that. I wanted that one like that should be created for Docs
team. This idea was also proposed by Dan in the team meeting.
Pulkit Krishna


On Sat, Apr 18, 2020 at 6:31 PM Ilmari Lauhakangas <
ilmari.lauhakan...@libreoffice.org> wrote:


I had a discussion with Olivier and it lead to finding this page, which
lists team members:
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Teamwork

Ilmari

Ilmari Lauhakangas kirjoitti 18.4.2020 klo 15.05:

Correct link to nonexistent page:
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Team/JobDescriptions

Ilmari

Dan Lewis kirjoitti 18.4.2020 klo 14.40:

There was a page as I remember putting some information about myself
more than a decade ago. I even use to have the URL to that page. In
the last year or so, I went to that page. It was empty. Here it is:


https://wiki.documentationfoundation.org/Documentation/Team/JobDescriptions.




Dan

On 4/17/20 16:52, Jean Weber wrote:

I like the idea, and I think we had a page once. It might still be
there.
It would be very out of date, of course. And I might be remembering a
page
from OOo, not LO. I’ll look for it later today.

Jean

On Fri, 17 Apr 2020 at 22:23 Pulkit Krishna
wrote:


Hello Everybody,
I found a page of design team members:-
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Team

Can't we make such a page for Documentation team. I think Dan
proposed this
idea in the meeting.
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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Documentation Team Wiki

[Ilmari Lauhakangas]

Correct link to nonexistent page:
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Team/JobDescriptions

Ilmari

Dan Lewis kirjoitti 18.4.2020 klo 14.40:
There was a page as I remember putting some information about myself 
more than a decade ago. I even use to have the URL to that page. In the 
last year or so, I went to that page. It was empty. Here it is: 
https://wiki.documentationfoundation.org/Documentation/Team/JobDescriptions. 



Dan

On 4/17/20 16:52, Jean Weber wrote:

I like the idea, and I think we had a page once. It might still be there.
It would be very out of date, of course. And I might be remembering a 
page

from OOo, not LO. I’ll look for it later today.

Jean

On Fri, 17 Apr 2020 at 22:23 Pulkit Krishna
wrote:


Hello Everybody,
I found a page of design team members:-
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Team

Can't we make such a page for Documentation team. I think Dan 
proposed this

idea in the meeting.
Pulkit Krishna





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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Draw help and 3D

[Ilmari Lauhakangas]

Peter Schofield kirjoitti 16.4.2020 klo 12.30:

I am updating Chapter 7 — 3D Objects in the Draw Guide and have come across a 
shortcoming in LO Help.

There has been several changes to 3D and LO Help definitely does not match what 
I am learning whilst updating Chap 7.

Will somebody be updating the LO Help to match what is happening in LO Version 
6.4? I suggest that whoever does the help update uses the information in Chap 7 
when I have finished its update.

I have no experience in producing help files. All my experience is producing 
user guides for printing and PDF files.


There is plenty to update in Help. This is a good method for small 
fixes: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/GerritEditing


Ilmari

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Meeting tonight Draw Guide

[Ilmari Lauhakangas]

Meeting is happening today (Thursday). This is a handy converter: 
https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/converter.html


Ilmari

Claire Wood kirjoitti 9.4.2020 klo 18.31:

Hi Peter and everyone, I've completed my review up to and including chapter
5 now. Nothing major to report on function, it was more formatting and
document flow comments I made.

I can't make this meeting sorry. I'm not very good at converting time
zones. Is it happening today or another day?

Kind regards

Claire

On Thu, 9 Apr 2020 at 15:47, Peter Schofield  wrote:


Cannot attend meeting.
Draw guide Chap 6 version 6.4 draft version will be uploaded 11 April 2020
and will start Chap 7 over the weekend.
Will be checking Claire’s reviews of chapters 1 to 3 over weekend, then
will place them in published folder.

Regards

Peter Schofield
Sent from my iPad Mini


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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Writing techniques

[Ilmari Lauhakangas]

Peter Schofield kirjoitti 27.3.2020 klo 10.23:

After going through the meeting notes (which I could not attend), I though that 
it maybe a good idea to air my views about writing standards.

The following ideas come from my experience in working within Simplified 
English rules when I worked for Airbus and Ericcson.

1. Paragraphs no more the six sentences long.
2. Sentences should only contain a maximum of 20 words, with the occasional 
sentence allowed to be 25 words.
3. Never use the possessive apostrophe (for example Peter’s). Rewrite the 
sentence to remove the need for a possessive apostrophe.
4. Never use contractions of words (for example: don’t becomes do not; won’t 
becomes will not, and so on)
5. Never use Latin abbreviations (for example: etc becomes and so on; e.g. 
becomes for example; i.e. becomes that is).

There are many more rules, but the above basic rules are a good start. They are 
designed to make English text easier to translate into other languages and that 
is why it is called Simplified English.

Please let me know your opinion.


There is a style guide in the wiki: 
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/DocumentationTeamInfo/StyleGuide


Ilmari

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] REMIND: Documentation team call is THURSDAY March 26 at 18:00 UTC

[Ilmari Lauhakangas]

I think the next best thing would be joining the #libreoffice-doc chat 
and asking your questions there: 
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Website/IRC#Channels


Ilmari

Pulkit Krishna kirjoitti 26.3.2020 klo 6.56:

   The timing do not suits me. Can we change it to 13:00 UTC? I know this
timing would not suit many people but I have some important questions.

Pulkit Krishna

On Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 7:48 PM Olivier Hallot <
olivier.hal...@libreoffice.org> wrote:


Hi Pulkit

Please suggest to the doc list. It is the right channel I'm OK, but
others must also approve.

Regards
Olivier

Em 25/03/2020 00:25, Pulkit Krishna escreveu:

The timing do not suits me. Can we change it to 13:00 UTC? I know this
timing would not suit many people but I have some important questions.

Pulkit Krishna

On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 11:25 PM Olivier Hallot
mailto:olivier.hal...@libreoffice.org>>
wrote:

 (let's talk while in quarantine... :-) )

 Hi Documentation Team (Guides, Help contents) !

 Our documentation team meeting will take place this THURSDAY 3/26 at
 18:00 UTC

 We will use the following jitsi  meeting room

 https://jitsi.documentfoundation.org/tdfdocteam

 The meeting room is supposed to work will all browsers without the

need

 of a specific plugin. You can use a mobile app in your Android or
 Iphone.

 The documentation pad for the meeting minute is

 http://pad.documentfoundation.org/p/documentation

 Main topics:

 Please fill the topics you want to discuss in the pad. For example:
 - Time and day of the call
 - What to do when you are quarantined reading endless virus news :-)
 - New projects ahead
 - ...

 See you on THURSDAY!
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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: LibreOffice documentation-MS Word

[Ilmari Lauhakangas]

Sure, it will help you in understanding the various functionality found 
in Writer. Jean was just pointing out that there is no need to refer to 
a competing software product when discussing LibreOffice guide content 
specifically.


Ilmari

S Shravz kirjoitti 20.3.2020 klo 19.40:

Hi Toni & Jean,

Thank you for your prompt response. I just had a glimpse at the Writer
guide and navigated through the LibreOffice writer as well, would having
knowledge of MS Word be helpful to meet the purpose of this task?
I found similarities between both, so probably I can be lending a helping
hand to be of some help.
Please let me know your thoughts.

Thank you.
Shravani

On Thu, Mar 19, 2020 at 10:59 PM Jean Weber  wrote:


Hi Shravani,

Please note: we have no Microsoft Word here. It’s LibreOffice Writer.

Regards, Jean

On Fri, 20 Mar 2020 at 05:30 Toni B  wrote:


Hi Shravani,
Thank you for the offer of help.  There is plenty of work to be done.  I

am

currently working on Chapter 1, Introducing Writer.  Feel free to grab
Chapter 2 or any other chapter.  Make sure you update the Excel file in

the

drafts directory to let everyone know you are working on it.
Kind regards,
Toni

On Thu, Mar 19, 2020 at 3:06 PM S Shravz  wrote:


Hi Toni,

I hope you are doing well!
Pulkit redirected me to you regarding the 'MS Word-Writer Guide'
volunteering opportunity. Kindly let me know if I can be assisting you
in any way.

Kind regards
Shravani




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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] I am blocked on wiki

[Ilmari Lauhakangas]

After private discussion the block was lifted.

Ilmari

Pulkit Krishna kirjoitti 12.3.2020 klo 10.27:

Now after logging in the error is:

*Your username or IP address has been blocked.*

The block was made by So <https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/User:So>. The
reason given is *Blanking pages*.

- Start of block: 2020-02-02T13:53:21
- Expiration of block: infinite
- Intended blockee: PulkitKrishna00

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Now after logging in the error is:

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Pulkit Krishna kirjoitti 12.3.2020 klo 5.41:

User is blocked
Your username or IP address has been automatically blocked by MediaWiki.
The reason given is:

Your IP address is listed as an open proxy in the DNSBL used by The
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This is given when I try to access the wiki


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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Nextcloud TDF UID Username Credentials R & D

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Caroline Carlisle Tidwell kirjoitti 12.3.2020 klo 20.30:

Also, could some expert on the networking side, please let me know which
link will hit the local instance of the TDF server for access to the
folders. Is it the first one or the second link below this question?

https://user.documentfoundation.org/login?goto=%2Fedit

https://auth.documentfoundation.org/saml/singleSignOn


It is neither of those. It is this: 
https://nextcloud.documentfoundation.org/apps/files/?dir=/LibreOffice%20Documentation=80652


If you are not sure of your TDF account details, use this for password 
recovery: https://user.documentfoundation.org/passwd


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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] I am blocked on wiki

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Pulkit Krishna kirjoitti 12.3.2020 klo 5.41:

User is blocked
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This is given when I try to access the wiki


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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] I'm using libreoffice viewer. I want to write a guide on it

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The new incarnation is
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.collabora.libreoffice
https://people.gnome.org/~michael/blog/2020-02-27-collabora-ios-android.html

Ilmari

Drew Jensen kirjoitti 29.2.2020 klo 18.04:

Hi,

If you are referring to the Android LibreOffice viewer that package has
been retracted from the App store.

Not sure it is every coming back.

Best wishes,

Drew

On Sat, Feb 29, 2020 at 10:57 AM Utkarsh Singh <7878utka...@gmail.com>
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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Edit Contour in Graphics

[Ilmari Lauhakangas]

Peter Schofield kirjoitti 22.2.2020 klo 10.58:

Hello

Can someone explain why the word “contour” is used in Sidebar Properties in 
Writer when you select a graphic? I have attached a screenshot from Properties 
of what I mean.

This Enable Contour and Edit Contour are the wrong terms to use. The term to 
use is Crop or Cropping because Edit Contour is exactly the same as Cropping 
for a graphic. Edit Contour means to change the shape of a graphic object. Also 
Crop is available from a drop down menu when you select a graphic.


I don't think crop is appropriate in this situation, because you are not 
limited to rectangular manipulation. "Masking" is a synonym that is more 
widely used. Yet, masking is a term used by graphics professionals. 
Would it help ordinary word processor users in understanding the feature?


Example screenshot:
https://freeimage.host/i/contour.HsNfKg

1. Edited image contour with the polygon tool
2. Enabled parallel wrap
3. Added some gibberish text

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] LO Draw and ODG format

[Ilmari Lauhakangas]

Peter: why not copy and paste between the applications? There is no need 
to involve a whole document file.


Like Regina said, if your drawing consists of multiple elements, select 
them all, right-click and "Group" before copying and pasting the thing.


Ilmari

Peter Schofield kirjoitti 22.2.2020 klo 10.46:

Hello Regina

I have just re-read your email.

I use PNG format for screenshots as this is the best format to use and keeps 
the image sharp. This comes from experience and it is also mentioned in the 
information for the LO documentation team.
In the information it also mentions to use Draw if you want to add items to a 
screenshot. So I tried it and this is when I got the problem of an empty file. 
Importing an ODG file into Writer gives the warning message that the file 
format is not recognised.
Surely, I should be able to create an illustration or drawing in Draw, save it 
in ODG format and then copy and paste the file into Writer. LibreOffice 
consists of several modules and there should be complete compatibility between 
the different file formats that are created. Am I missing something? I wonder 
if any LO users have come across this problemm.

Regards
Peter Schofield
psaut...@gmail.com




On 18 Feb 2020, at 13:33, Regina Henschel  wrote:

Hi Peter,

Peter Schofield schrieb am 18-Feb-20 um 13:01:

I am updating the user guide for Draw to version 6.4 and have come a problem.
LO Writer is not accepting the ODG format as a file. I have tried dropping into 
a document as well as doing a copy and paste, but nothing happens. I also tried 
importing as an image and I get the message that the ODG drawing is not 
recognised as an image.
My only solution at the moment is to export from Draw in PNG format after 
saving in ODG format.
Exporting directly from Draw without saving in ODG format produces an empty 
file.
Anybody know a solution.
I am using LO version 6.4.0.3


The goal is not clear to me.
If you intend to import a complete ODG file (why?), then it would be only 
possible as OLE.
If you want to insert single drawings, often simple copy will work. 
Another method would be to drag the drawing into a (new) Gallery theme in Draw and 
insert it from the Gallery in Writer.

If your drawing in Draw contains several shapes, you might get better results 
by grouping them.
In case you get distance problems at the edges, include a white rectangle 
behind the drawing.

Why do you think, using PNG in the guide is not so good?

BTW, I'm currently reviewing the German guide for Draw.

Kind regards
Regina

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Changing content of FAQ Base

[Ilmari Lauhakangas]

Drew Jensen kirjoitti 6.2.2020 klo 15.39:

On Wed, Feb 5, 2020 at 2:28 PM Robert Großkopf 
wrote:

I have tested connection to PostgreSQL for a German user:

https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Base/013
isn't up to date. ODBC-connection works here without problems with
UnixODBC. The answer doesen't give a hint which system is used, so I
couldn't find such a version here.


Well, since the only version that gave that error was the version listed I
don't know that it is not correct.
In other words, if you aren't using that old driver then this is a moot
question because you aren't getting that error.


https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Base/014
Same problem. ODBC works as expected, better than JDBC-connection. With
ODBC-connection you could input data in queries with table-alias and
datatype serial. Using JDBC-connection the autoincremented value will
only return 0.


Same situation here - the question is the problem. It is a question caused
by an old driver, one that is now deprecated.


https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Base/015
same problem as FAQ Base 13



Yes, again this is a question based on a specific driver release and a
driver that is now well past what is current.

So, overall I think the question is really;
Do we want to delete those questions as no longer being useful?


While looking at the FAQ due to all the translation work, I did delete 
some obsolete questions. If there is consensus, I can click the buttons 
to get rid of these particular items.


To answer a question in Robert's original mail, you can simply edit any 
FAQ article as you would a normal wiki page.


Ilmari

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] @Caroline Tidwell

[Ilmari Lauhakangas]

On 2.2.2020 18.25, Olivier Hallot wrote:

Hello Caroline

[...]

Do not hesitate to ask for help. The following channel can let you
access the infra support team for further help:

https://irc.documentfoundation.org/?settings=#infra


Minor correction:
https://irc.documentfoundation.org/?settings=#tdf-infra

Ilmari

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Would like to help with documentation - ToniB

[Ilmari Lauhakangas]

6.3 is not 6.4. Please download the pre-release for 6.4 here: 
https://www.libreoffice.org/download/download/?version=6.4.0


To understand the release process, see 
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleasePlan


Ilmari

Toni B kirjoitti 17.1.2020 klo 16.18:

Thank you for getting me set up!  I have been looking around to try and get
a general understanding and figure out where to start.  Would you suggest I
start with reviewing one of the guides in the Feedback folder?
Is the next Jitsi meeting Wednesday or Thursday?  I saw Wednesday in the
general information but thought I saw Thursday in the minutes from the last
meeting.
Is the next "general" release going to be 6.4?  I installed 6.3.4.  Is the
general idea to use the release notes for this version to update the
version 6.2 guides?  Then when 6.3.4 becomes the "general" release if will
be released as 6.4?
Thank you for your help and your time!
Kind regards,
Toni Blackwelder

On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 9:09 AM Olivier Hallot <
olivier.hal...@libreoffice.org> wrote:


Hello Toni

Documents repository is in

https://nextcloud.documentfoundation.org

you will find a folder named "LibreOffice Documentation" in the root
folder of your user space.

Regards

Em 15/01/2020 09:37, Olivier Hallot escreveu:

I have started to add your userid to the cloud service, and I'll inform
you when it is done.


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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Getting Started Guide for LO 6.4

[Ilmari Lauhakangas]

Hello,

what were you doing that lead you to this page?

You are not supposed to access that address via a browser. It will not work.

Were you logging into Nextcloud? Please give more details.

Ilmari

Caroline Carlisle Tidwell kirjoitti 14.1.2020 klo 21.53:

https://auth-manager.documentfoundation.org/doc/

It is telling me the "Server Not Found."

Is there a local Administrator for this server who could get my permissions
to access so I can review this set doc? Or is there a Linux wizard who is
more advice that might assist me in opening the Doc Folder at this time?

It appears that I am not allowed from running on Linux and Firefox last
version. The firewall is running several rules, but I do not think any of
those rules are relevant in this instance.

Regards,
Caroline

1.404.584.8180 office
www.linkedin.com/in/vandyjuggler



On Tue, Jan 14, 2020 at 3:05 AM  wrote:


I am sorry. I didn't notice the tracked changes, because they were
hidden.
I didn't realize the Show-option was disabled.
I now accepted the tracked changes and placed the file in the Published
folder again.

Kees

Steve Fanning schreef op 13.01.2020 23:40:

Jean,

As the file still contains my unaccepted review comments, I have moved
it back to the Feedback folder.

Regards,

Steve



-Original Message- From: Jean Weber
Sent: Monday, January 13, 2020 6:39 PM
To: kees...@libreoffice.org
Cc: LibreOffice Documentation
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Getting Started Guide for LO
6.4

If all tracked changes have been accepted and all comments resolved and
removed, the file goes in the Published folder.  Otherwise, it goes
back
into Feedback for someone (in this case, probably me) to make final
decisions.

Regards, Jean

On Mon, 13 Jan 2020 at 20:03  wrote:


I did the second review of the Preface and placed it into the
Published
folder.
I assume this is the right folder for a completed chapter.

Kind regards, Kees

Jean Weber schreef op 08.01.2020 07:52:

I have begun updating the Getting Started Guide from LO 6.0 to 6.4. I
have
completed the Preface and Chapters 1, 2, and 3, which are in the

Drafts

folder ready for others to review. (For this book, I am using Drafts,
Feedback, and Published folders.) I am now working on Chapter 4.

I recommend that the rest of you work on updating other books and

leave

me
to do this one. Of course, reviewing my work is also important. I’m
aiming
to have all the chapters updated by the end of January or early
February,
around the same time that 6.4 is released.

Jean




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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] FAQ in other languages than English

[Ilmari Lauhakangas]

The cause of the problem was seen using browser developer tool console: 
Content Security Policy is blocking the fetching of certain JavaScript 
files.


TDF infra is now aware of the issue and it will be dealt with. Please 
remain patient and apologies for the inconvenience.


Regarding Robert's original question: if something appears in English in 
an article that was converted to the new translation system, it means 
that the old translated content is somehow out of date and the person 
doing the migration did not want to bring it over.


For context, please see 
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/TDF_Wiki/Multilingual#Content_with_global_focus


Ilmari

Martin Srebotnjak kirjoitti 4.1.2020 klo 11.50:

Hi, Robert,

yesterday the wiki translation plugin also did not work anymore for me. It
must bw a problem of the wiki, I tried several browsers.

Lp, m.


V sob., 4. jan. 2020 09:14 je oseba Robert Großkopf <
rob...@familiegrosskopf.de> napisala:


Hi *,

sometimes ago I had translated most of the FAQ-Base to German and also
changed some content in the German FAQ.

Now there has been added some content in English to the German FAQ -
don't know why. I wanted to change this to German content, but I can't
change anything in the German content.
Tried it with
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Base/008/de

Don't know what has been changed there, but the editor is unusable for me.

Regards

Robert
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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Fuzzybot wiki overwriting existing pages

[Ilmari Lauhakangas]

Luca Daghino @ Libero kirjoitti 28.12.2019 klo 23.14:

Il 28/12/19 05:10, Ilmari Lauhakangas ha scritto:

Luca Daghino @ Libero kirjoitti 28.12.2019 klo 3.51:

Il 27/12/19 22:37, Ilmari Lauhakangas ha scritto:
It does not completely delete the pages. The pages are found in the 
history, such as this in the case you pointed to: 
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/index.php?title=Documentation/Development/UsingOmegaT/it=146479 



If you want to maintain a page that does not have the same content 
as the English one, create a new page under the path 
wiki.documentfoundation.org/IT/ and name it however you want.



Solved, i recreated this page and put the original content in it:

https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/IT/Localizzazione/it

This page was changed by user Dennisroczek and had a redirect to the 
new one.


I moved it under https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/IT/Localizzazione 
because the /it suffix served no purpose.


Ilmari


Hello,

Well, if you have admin permissions, could you then delete that page? I 
created that page but I intended to create another url; the system 
didn't let me do it.


And after that disable redirect of this page: 
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/IT/Localizzazione/OmegaT-IT


I need to put the content of the first page in the second one. If you 
can set the second page as a normal page (not a redirect), I can put the 
content in it, so to take it back to the situation that existed before 
the user dennisroczek made the redirect.


Apologies for the delay, I was traveling.

Of your requests, only the deletion requires special privileges. You can 
access and edit the redirect page by clicking the link that appears 
after "(Redirected from" at the top of the page.


I made all the changes you wished for, so the content is now only in 
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/IT/Localizzazione/OmegaT-IT


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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Fuzzybot wiki overwriting existing pages

[Ilmari Lauhakangas]

Luca Daghino @ Libero kirjoitti 28.12.2019 klo 3.51:

Il 27/12/19 22:37, Ilmari Lauhakangas ha scritto:
It does not completely delete the pages. The pages are found in the 
history, such as this in the case you pointed to: 
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/index.php?title=Documentation/Development/UsingOmegaT/it=146479 



If you want to maintain a page that does not have the same content as 
the English one, create a new page under the path 
wiki.documentfoundation.org/IT/ and name it however you want.



Solved, i recreated this page and put the original content in it:

https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/IT/Localizzazione/it

This page was changed by user Dennisroczek and had a redirect to the new 
one.


I moved it under https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/IT/Localizzazione 
because the /it suffix served no purpose.


Ilmari

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[libreoffice-documentation] Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Fuzzybot wiki overwriting existing pages

[Ilmari Lauhakangas]

It does not completely delete the pages. The pages are found in the 
history, such as this in the case you pointed to: 
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/index.php?title=Documentation/Development/UsingOmegaT/it=146479


If you want to maintain a page that does not have the same content as 
the English one, create a new page under the path 
wiki.documentfoundation.org/IT/ and name it however you want.


In the case of UsingOmegaT, the English version is very different from 
the old Italian one.


If the page contents match, one can use the page migration tool. The 
wiki translation system instructions are here: 
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/TDF_Wiki/Multilingual


Ilmari

Luca Daghino @ Libero kirjoitti 27.12.2019 klo 23.28:

Hello all,
Anybody responsible for the wiki knows why the fuzzybot completely 
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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Workflow & contributors guide

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Marc Paré kirjoitti 11.12.2019 klo 23.36:

Hi,

Le 19-12-08 à 05 h 39, Jean Weber a écrit :

Team,

I should have started a new thread for this discussion. See the thread
“Base Handbook progress” for earlier notes.

It’s been clear for some time that the wiki and contributors guide need to
be updated and made consistent with our actual workflow as well as
rationalising the structure of the folders in NextCloud. I’ve been hoping
someone would come along to do that, and I think some work may have been
done, but a lot more is needed.

I’ve been spending my limited time on updating user guides, but perhaps
(after the Calc Guide is done) I should concentrate on the contributors
guide and related materials. What do you think?

Jean


Could someone link to the page your are discussing?


The chapters are listed in the doc wiki index: 
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation


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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] LibreOffice help online pages, and SEO

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William Gathoye (LibreOffice) kirjoitti 5.12.2019 klo 18.53:

On 26/11/2019 09:45, Mike Saunders wrote:

I'm wondering if there's anything we can do to get the new design higher
on Google. Has anyone looked into SEO / redirects or anything like that?
Otherwise, I can investigate at some point...


With the current help system, this would be hard to do in my guess.

The meta info are missing and the current process when releasing
documentation is not generating these needed pieces of info. + OpenGraph
and Twitter Cards are missing as well.

The URL rewriting could be improved as well. i.e. from a SEO point of view:
https://help.libreoffice.org/latest/en-US/text/shared/05/new_help.html?=WRITER=UNIX
is hard to guess from a robot and the latter prefers something like this:
https://docs.libreoffice.org/en-US/common/newhelp
It's sad to say this but the new doc system from MSFT
(docs.microsoft.com) could be a great inspiration here wrt. URL naming
e.g. [1]


I think this is a non-issue, if we autogenerate a sitemap and point 
Google to it. I have no idea, if this is the case currently.



The best bet like discussed a bit with Olivier a few weeks ago on the
LibreOfficeFR Telegram account would be to use another help system,
relying on well established system rather than creating our very own. In
2019, all the organizations I'm participating in are using ReadTheDocs
for a reason :)


Read the Docs is a presentation system for reStructuredText documents. 
This implies two separate questions:

1) which markup language should we migrate to from XHP?
2) how should we present the documents?

I don't see a need for change regarding point 2 no matter the markup 
source. The HTML target can remain the same.


I bet the organisations you refer to are using Read the Docs for 
technical documentation as is the common case (programmers, sysadmins 
etc.). I don't remember off-hand it being used for end user facing 
documentation.


The Read the Docs theme would be great for our API docs and I once 
experimented in converting our Doxygen docs to rST. I don't think it is 
a good fit for our Help content.


Ilmari

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] New Member

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Dimona Delvere kirjoitti 27.11.2019 klo 18.07:

My name is Dimona. I am looking forward to join Libre Office community.

I have some experience in technical writing, video tutorial creation,  
marketing and journalism. I am fluent in English and Russian.

My current aim is to develop further my documentation writing skills.

I am wondering if I could contribute to your books?

I believe that I need to access the Documentation cloud, and receive a user ID?


Yes, like Olivier said, create a username for our web services: 
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Infra/SingleSignOn


Then directly email Olivier.

Adding you to CC as well in case you are not getting emails. Olivier's 
reply is 
https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/msg13383.html


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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Suggestion

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Regina Henschel kirjoitti 27.11.2019 klo 12.51:

Hi,

Ilmari Lauhakangas schrieb am 27-Nov-19 um 10:29:
Maybe the Help content for functions could be used as a reference 
template with some automation to combine it with math background etc. 
to finally produce a separate handbook? Just thinking of how to avoid 
repetition of work and human errors.


Ilmari

Stephen Fanning kirjoitti 27.11.2019 klo 11.17:

I agree that it would be good to create a separate handbook to describe
Calc's functions and I will spend time creating a first draft of this
during the coming months.


The mathematical definition of most of the functions is in the standard. 
It would be far too error-prone and far too time-consuming to write 
these definitions ourself. The help pages could get links to the HTML 
version of the standard or a reference with part and section number.


We need a mathematical description of those functions, which are our own 
function, e.g. EASTERSUNDAY. Those functions should get each an own help 
page with the mathematical definition or a page in the WIKI.


Some of our own functions are designed for to be compatible with Excel 
and have differences to similar functions in the standard. For those 
functions it is important to describe these differences.


In general, the fact, whether a function follows the standard or is 
compatible to Excel or is totally our own function, should be noted.


So in your view, the function reference could be removed from Calc guide 
book and forget the idea to create a separate handbook? It would 
certainly make things easier for book authors.


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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Suggestion

[Ilmari Lauhakangas]

Maybe the Help content for functions could be used as a reference 
template with some automation to combine it with math background etc. to 
finally produce a separate handbook? Just thinking of how to avoid 
repetition of work and human errors.


Ilmari

Stephen Fanning kirjoitti 27.11.2019 klo 11.17:

I agree that it would be good to create a separate handbook to describe
Calc's functions and I will spend time creating a first draft of this
during the coming months.

As for the relevant chapter in the Calc Guide, I worry that it is now too
thick following the addition of so many new functions. My latest draft is
80+ pages. I suggest we retain it for the moment but I'll try too remove
excess verbage from descriptions that appear unnecessarily detailed. It
would be nice to shorten it a bit before issue!

I tend to agree with Jean and so when a separate handbook becomes
available, the chapter should be withdrawn from future issues of the Calc
Guide.

Regards,

Steve

On Wed, 27 Nov 2019 at 01:09, Jean Weber  wrote:


On Tue, 26 Nov 2019 at 18:13 Olivier Hallot <
olivier.hal...@libreoffice.org>
wrote:


Hi Steve

Em 26/11/2019 11:00, Stephen Fanning escreveu:

Olivier,

As you are aware I have noted some discrepancies between the Function
Wizard and the Help system with regards to the descriptions of the 500+
Calc functions. I have kept a list of the issues found so far and will
raise bugs in due course.


I am interested in these discrepancies because the Help system is
actually the reference information to users. Therefore, information
accuracy in the Help system is a quality issue and must be addressed.



[...]

Once I have completed the draft Calc Guide chapter, I would be prepared

to

carry out a more systematic and thorough cross-check of the function
descriptions over the next few months, as a background task. Would

that a

worthwhile exercise?


In the Calc Guide point of view, my personal opinion is that it can turn
the chapter into an extensive reference, which can turn the book a bit
too heavy, having pages and pages of esoteric
math/sciences/financial//computer sciences/.../ functions, perhaps
better fit into a "Handbook of LibreOffice Calc Functions" book on its

own.


Would that be a worthwhile exercise? yes definitely. Everyone will

benefit.


Help system: must be as accurate as possible with respect to the current
software implementation.

the "Handbook": will be a wonderful piece of work for LibreOffice Calc.
500 or more functions is not a small task, though.

Note: We often see a mix of objective in product documentation blurring
   Reference info and Guide info. To try to make things a bit clear, the
software Help system must be reference-oriented, where information is
factual and accurate (and dull). For example, the Help system should not
be used to explain the math behind the COS function. The same COS
function can figure in a Guide with some trigonometry background info to
help user in achieving a goal, because Guides are essentially
goal-oriented information.

IMO the functions chapter should be a separate handbook, not part of the

Calc Guide itself. Years ago when the first iteration of the book was being
written, I argued against including it, but others wanted it in. To me the
Calc Guide (and all the guides) should be task- or goal-oriented (how to do
things), not reference books.

Jean






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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Suggested improvements

[Ilmari Lauhakangas]

Phil Shisbey kirjoitti 30.10.2019 klo 1.31:

   Please fix how page coloring styles work. The page margins should be the 
same color as the page.  Currently, color is applied only to the center of the 
page, so I'm left with a dark page surrounded by white margins.. Which makes 
reading difficult.   To see how it should be done, see how Microsoft Word does 
it.


What you ask is already implemented in 6.3: 
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=112195


The problem is that it breaks existing documents, which results in 
questions like this: 
https://ask.libreoffice.org/en/question/208634/white-margins/


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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Icon Set for Guides

[Ilmari Lauhakangas]

The default on Windows is Colibre.

Ilmari

On 12.08.2019 09:38, Heiko Tietze wrote:

Tango is a nice and neutral theme but be aware that some icons for new
functions might be missing since we don't have designers for this
theme. For your consideration: the majority of users run Windows where
the default is Breeze, on Linux it depends on the desktop environment
and it's either Breeze or Elementary.

On 10.08.19 15:38, kees...@libreoffice.org wrote:

Hi Dave

Thanks for explaining.
I think it is a good idea using Tango for the Guides.
Using the default is less good, because in the past the default did 
change sometimes.

So "our default" might not be the future default.

Regards, Kees

Dave Barton schreef op 10.08.2019 13:26:

On 10.08.2019 10:34, kees...@libreoffice.org wrote:

kees...@libreoffice.org schreef op 10.08.2019 11:31:

Reviewing "Introducing Draw" I notice that Vipul updated icons and
that icons diver from what I see.
Of course icons are depending on the Icon Set you use. For the
consistency it is best for all to use the same Icon Set for the
Guides. I can’t find anything about it in the Guide Template. Are
there agreements about which Icon Set to use for the Guides?

Kind regards,
Kees


For example: the Dutch documentation team is using "Karase Jaga",
because it is a nice clear Icon Set.


The very outdated Chapter 2 "Producing LibreOffice User Guides" of 
the

Documentation Contributors Guide reads:

The setting for one View option (Icon size and style) is important 
for

consistency when capturing screens to illustrate our documents.
Go to Tools > Options > LibreOffice > View and make sure the choices 
for
Icon size and style in the User Interface section near the top are 
set

to Small, Tango.
If you are using Ubuntu or another Linux distribution and the icon 
style

drop-down list does not show Tango as one of the choices, go into the
distribution’s package manager and install the 
libreoffice-style-tango

package.


I don't believe there has been any discussion on this subject in 
recent

times, but for my contributions I have used the default install icon
set, which in the case of LO 6.2.x & 6.3.x on Windows 10 is Colibre.

Although it is not my personal preference, I feel that we should use 
the

default icon set, since this is what most new users will see and more
experienced users are likely to understand LO has various icon sets.

Regards
Dave




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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Migrationdialogue Firebird - Added content to HowTo

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Robert Großkopf kirjoitti 17.7.2019 klo 18.46:

How could we change the translated pages?

There are English screenshots in the page, which has been translated to
German (By the way: the original page has been in German ...)
Parts of the SQL-Code are translated - most of it isn't.

The only page I could change is the English version of the HowTo.


Go to the German version: 
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/HowTo/MigrateFromHSQLDB/de
Click "Translate" that is between "Read" and "View history" at the top 
controls.


There you can change the File: links to point to German screenshots.

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Locking Arrow heads to Flowchart Blocks/Squares

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Ed Cintron kirjoitti 7.7.2019 klo 5.28:

I just got the LibreOffice after ditching MS Office. I am developing a workflow 
diagram and I need to connect blocks in a way that if I move a block, the arrow 
will stay connected to the block no matter where I release it on the page. I 
cannot find this feature/attribute anywhere. I had this ability with Visio but 
since I no longer use that program (unavailable to Mac) I would like to see 
/learn how to do this in Draw.


Your question belongs to "us...@global.libreoffice.org: User help list 
for LibreOffice users needing assistance with a problem." 
https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/ but I will help you 
anyway to reduce unnecessary duplication.


See these articles:
https://help.libreoffice.org/latest/en-US/text/simpress/guide/orgchart.html
https://help.libreoffice.org/latest/en-US/text/simpress/02/1010.html
https://help.libreoffice.org/latest/en-US/text/simpress/02/10030200.html

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] "Save preview image with document"

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On 20.06.2019 11:22, Jean Weber wrote:

The General page of the Document Properties dialog has a checkbox
labelled "Save preview image with this document". What is a preview
image in this context? Why would a user choose to turn it on or off?
Thank you!


If we uncheck it, there will be no Thumbnails/thumbnail.png inside the 
saved file.
I assumed this would have affected the Start center previews, but they 
seem to work fine without the thumbnail.

I guess any file manager can make use of the thumbnails.

Ilmari

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Question of Terminology?

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Useful listings:
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/index.php?title=Special%3APrefixIndex=Documentation
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/index.php?title=Special%3APrefixIndex=Design

Ilmari

Cathy Crumbley kirjoitti 31.5.2019 klo 20.05:
I edited that chapter but do not remember running across the graphic in 
the wiki. In fact, I have rarely used the wiki, probably because I don't 
know what information is there.


Is there further information in the wiki or someplace else that 
specifies the terminology for UI elements?


On 5/31/2019 11:13 AM, Dave Barton wrote:

OK, so we already have clear definitions in the HIG Guide:
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LO-HIG_SideeBar-Terminology.png
which I guess is the basis for Figure 8 on page 15 in chapter 1 of the
most recent Getting Started Guide.


On 31.05.2019 15:34, Drew Jensen wrote:

Howdy,

An example of deck and panel usage is in this blog from 2017
https://design.blog.documentfoundation.org/2017/02/16/guidelines-for-keyboard-navigation-in-the-sidebar/ 




On Fri, May 31, 2019 at 9:24 AM Cathy Crumbley  
wrote:



I don't have strong opinions about what we should use, but keep in mind
that we need two different terms to describe the subunits of sidebars.

Thus, at least in other LO guides I have worked on, "decks" are the
equivalent of pages and "panels" are the equivalent of sections of
pages. When I first ran across this usage, I remember thinking that
"deck" seemed a somewhat unusual word for this context while "panel"
seemed like a good choice for either a "page" or a "section."

An alternative could be to treat sidebars like dialogs, so they 
would be

composed of pages, with each page containing sections. As someone with
little knowledge of UX language, this would be more user friendly 
for me.


However, "deck" and "panel" are already being used in LO documentation.
How important is it to be consistent with other documentation?

On 5/30/2019 11:32 PM, kees...@libreoffice.org wrote:

In Dutch we also call it "Paneel" (Panel).
Don't know if this helps.

Greetings,
Kees

Dave Barton schreef op 30.05.2019 13:00:
Thanks Luke, your input (2c worth) is much appreciated. I am 
inclined to

agree with you on this specific aspect, but I am seeking general
consensus from the wider team/community on the standardization of 
this

and other terminologies used in our documentation.

Any other opinions about describing sidebar components as "Panels" or
"Decks" in the user guides?

Dave

On 27.05.2019 23:02, Luke (gmail) wrote:

My 2c is that Panel is more commonly used and understood by the
average person.

"Decks" may well be more familiar to those within the UX profession.

luke

On 28/5/19 2:00 am, Dave Barton wrote:

Hi Folks,

I am working to finish my (very slow) review of Jean's revision of
CG6204. In the process it occurred to me that in this and other 
guides

we have mostly used the term "Panel" to reference parts of the
sidebar,
whereas the UX/Design folks and some support channels commonly
refer to
sidebar "Decks".

While this is definitely not a critical issue, I feel that we
should as
far as possible maintain consistency in the terminology we use to
identify the components of the software's UI.

Any thoughts, or should we discuss at the next meeting?

Dave



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