[e-gold-list] Re: turing number
Some examples of easy to remember possibilities: turing number: abcdef123456 reverse: fedcba 654321 But how do you communicate the 'reverse / offset 3 right' etc. instructions? They are simple algorithms that can be programmed by a cracker and I think really lower usability. Here's an idea. Set the algorithm for deciphering the Turing Code, in the account. That way, a cracker would not know how to respond to the turing question. Of course, this makes logging-in very comlicated. Yes, of course that's what I meant. If the turing number is abcdef, a simple setting in the account would tell the server how you respond to the turing number. For example fedcba would tell the server that the turing number will be returned in reverse order. abc2ef returns the turing number with a fixed 2 in the 4th position. There are a lot of very simple possibilities, easy to remember, so it is not as if you have to remember a second passphrase. (Default setting would be abcdef , return the turing number as is, for those who don't want this extra security.) Craig remarks: I think you guys have lost track of the whole purpose of the Turing number. It is to prevent automated trials by ensuring that a human being is there. What you are proposing amounts to an additional or longer passphrase and in no way excludes automated trials any more than the simple number now being used. Well, I think somebody already demonstrated that recognising the turing number can be automised as well.. Of course, a hacker could do an automated attack on my turing scrammble code setting , but there is the catch. Each time a login attempt is made with the correct passphrase but a wrong turing return, an automated email (pgp encrypted) could be sent to the owner to alert that the passphrase was broken. If 3 login attempts are made with correct passphrase and wrong turing return, the account should lock for 24 hours (one could leave all this to be set by the user of course) With this system , even if my passphrase is stolen, my account is still safe. That is not the case with the simple turing number system that is currently used. My turing scrammble code setting can be very easy to remember , yet there are enough different possibilities to make it difficult to crack it in only 3 (or less) attempts before the account locks. For example if my turing return code setting is like this : abmdef (a fixed character m in position 3) Turing code Return code 12345612m456 54788254m882 23356123m561 As you can see , very easy to remember, not really more complicated to login than it is now, yet much more difficult to crack. If we use upper and lower case characters we have over 52*6 = 300 possibilities to alter the turing number in this very easy to remember way (replacing only one digit with a fixed character). Include non alphabet characters and there are thousands of very easy ways to alter the turing code. The chance you can crack it in 3 attempts is small. Some other possibilities: cabcdef (returns seven digits, more tricky..) def;abac ... The user can make it as complicated as he wants to. So, suppose the hacker cracks or steals my passphrase. Even if he can intercept (and decrypt) the email that is sent when he got the passphrase correct, that is not going to be much of a help to crack the turing return code in only 3 attempts.. When something like this is implemented I will feel really safe to keep more money in my e-gold account. Right now, I don't even know how many attempts are made to crack my passphrase Danny http://two-cents-worth.com/?102468EG. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: turing number
I think you guys have lost track of the whole purpose of the Turing number. It is to prevent automated trials by ensuring that a human being is there. What you are proposing amounts to an additional or longer passphrase and in no way excludes automated trials any more than the simple number now being used. As Mr. Van den Berghe demonstrated, it's much more difficult to crack than a longer passphrase. If someone catches your keystrokes, they can obtain your passphrase, but if someone watches you respond to a 'turing query', they won't be able to easily figure out the algorithm being used to respond to it. Eric Hollander demonstrated a crypto-card once, which gave a cryptic response to a numerical query. In order to access his website, you had to plug in a six digit number generated by the website, and then respond with a numerical answer generated by the crypto-card. Using a passphrase, and the crypto-card, the security was incredibly high. You had to have the passphrase and the crypto-card to get in. E-Gold needs this. SnowDog --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: turing number
For example if my turing return code setting is like this : abmdef (a fixed character m in position 3) Turing codeReturn code 123456 12m456 I get it. I like this idea for some situations (still won't fix the challenge with creating multiple accounts though). If an account is randomly assigned a position for the user to 'fix' that would also make it so the user could not just pick a favorite position and character to use for other accounts. Of course I would forget all these things even if I had just a few accounts. - savings is a 4 in the 5th spot, - company is a M in the 3rd spot, - goddaughter's savings is a 5 in the 4th spot :) I think it is important to let the user supply a pgp key so that the current settings can be safely emailed. But, to provide really safe logins we should have the option of requiring 1 time passcodes. Lose your list of ~20?, just request a pgp email with new ones. A hassle to enter, but not when a dumb mistake on my part would expose a years worth of my Au! ACK! Jeff --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: turing number
On 3 Feb 2002, at 9:33, SnowDog wrote: I think you guys have lost track of the whole purpose of the Turing number. It is to prevent automated trials by ensuring that a human being is there. What you are proposing amounts to an additional or longer passphrase and in no way excludes automated trials any more than the simple number now being used. As Mr. Van den Berghe demonstrated, it's much more difficult to crack than a longer passphrase. I won't argue the security/passphrase issues. They have been hashed over on this list ad infinitum. My point remains: the purpose of the Turing number is not security per se but to eliminate automated trials. How well the turning number actually does this is irrelevant. This proposal does not serve to advance that purpose. Best, CCS --- - Virtual Phonecards - Instant Pin by Email - -Large Selection - Great Rates- - http://speedypin.com/phonecard/start.mhtml?af=743 - --- *** * Craig Spencer * * [EMAIL PROTECTED] * *** --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Fw: [undergroundpatriot] Another globalist defector, from the World Bank
Slowly, ever so slowly the truth comes out. World Bank Insider Speaks Out by Greg Palast February 1 2002, Fri, 3:45pm The World Bank's former Chief Economist's accusations are eye-popping - including how the IMF and US Treasury fixed the Russian elections The Globalizer Who Came In From the Cold Observer, London Wednesday, October 10, 2001 JOE STIGLITZ: TODAY'S WINNER OF THE NOBEL PRIZE IN ECONOMICS by Greg Palast The World Bank's former Chief Economist's accusations are eye-popping - including how the IMF and US Treasury fixed the Russian elections It has condemned people to death, the former apparatchik told me. This was like a scene out of Le Carre. The brilliant old agent comes in from the cold, crosses to our side, and in hours of debriefing, empties his memory of horrors committed in the name of a political ideology he now realizes has gone rotten. And here before me was a far bigger catch than some used Cold War spy. Joseph Stiglitz was Chief Economist of the World Bank. To a great extent, the new world economic order was his theory come to life. I debriefed Stigltiz over several days, at Cambridge University, in a London hotel and finally in Washington in April 2001 during the big confab of the World Bank and the International Monetary Fund. But instead of chairing the meetings of ministers and central bankers, Stiglitz was kept exiled safely behind the blue police cordons, the same as the nuns carrying a large wooden cross, the Bolivian union leaders, the parents of AIDS victims and the other 'anti-globalization' protesters. The ultimate insider was now on the outside. In 1999 the World Bank fired Stiglitz. He was not allowed quiet retirement; US Treasury Secretary Larry Summers, I'm told, demanded a public excommunication for Stiglitz' having expressed his first mild dissent from globalization World Bank style. Here in Washington we completed the last of several hours of exclusive interviews for The Observer and BBC TV's Newsnight about the real, often hidden, workings of the IMF, World Bank, and the bank's 51% owner, the US Treasury. And here, from sources unnamable (not Stiglitz), we obtained a cache of documents marked, confidential, restricted, and not otherwise (to be) disclosed without World Bank authorization. Stiglitz helped translate one from bureaucratise, a Country Assistance Strategy. There's an Assistance Strategy for every poorer nation, designed, says the World Bank, after careful in-country investigation. But according to insider Stiglitz, the Bank's staff 'investigation' consists of close inspection of a nation's 5-star hotels. It concludes with the Bank staff meeting some begging, busted finance minister who is handed a 'restructuring agreement' pre-drafted for his 'voluntary' signature (I have a selection of these). Each nation's economy is individually analyzed, then, says Stiglitz, the Bank hands every minister the same exact four-step program. Step One is Privatization - which Stiglitz said could more accurately be called, 'Briberization.' Rather than object to the sell-offs of state industries, he said national leaders - using the World Bank's demands to silence local critics - happily flogged their electricity and water companies. You could see their eyes widen at the prospect of 10% commissions paid to Swiss bank accounts for simply shaving a few billion off the sale price of national assets. And the US government knew it, charges Stiglitz, at least in the case of the biggest 'briberization' of all, the 1995 Russian sell-off. The US Treasury view was this was great as we wanted Yeltsin re-elected. We don't care if it's a corrupt election. We want the money to go to Yeltzin via kick-backs for his campaign. Stiglitz is no conspiracy nutter ranting about Black Helicopters. The man was inside the game, a member of Bill Clinton's cabinet as Chairman of the President's council of economic advisors. Most ill-making for Stiglitz is that the US-backed oligarchs stripped Russia's industrial assets, with the effect that the corruption scheme cut national output nearly in half causing depression and starvation. After briberization, Step Two of the IMF/World Bank one-size-fits-all rescue-your-economy plan is 'Capital Market Liberalization.' In theory, capital market deregulation allows investment capital to flow in and out. Unfortunately, as in Indonesia and Brazil, the money simply flowed out and out. Stiglitz calls this the Hot Money cycle. Cash comes in for speculation in real estate and currency, then flees at the first whiff of trouble. A nation's reserves can drain in days, hours. And when that happens, to seduce speculators into returning a nation's own capital funds, the IMF demands these nations raise interest rates to 30%, 50% and 80%. The result was predictable, said Stiglitz of the Hot Money tidal waves in Asia and Latin America. Higher interest rates demolished property values, savaged industrial production and drained national treasuries. At
[e-gold-list] Cigars
Anyone know of a good place I can buy cigars online with e-gold? -- Patrick --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] crypto card
There is no question that e-gold needs a crypto card for large accounts. Go, Jay! Eric Hollander demonstrated a crypto-card once, which gave a cryptic response to a numerical query. In order to access his website, you had to plug in a six digit number generated by the website, and then respond with a numerical answer generated by the crypto-card. Using a passphrase, and the crypto-card, the security was incredibly high. You had to have the passphrase and the crypto-card to get in. E-Gold needs this. SnowDog -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Most of the world's great religions are hijacked from time to time by men who use the religious faith of others to manipulate them for self- serving purposes. Environmentalism is different however. It is not a religion that happens to be manipulated from time to time for political purpose--for the power and money it can bring to its controllers. Environmentalism is a religion which has been deliberately created, for the sole purpose of manipulating its followers. Arthur B. Robinson, 2001. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: crypto card / free at 1mdc
On 4 Feb 2002, at 8:07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is no question that e-gold needs a crypto card for large accounts. Why not digital certificates. They are cheaper I think and work really well. For those who want maximum security, you can always have your certficicate store on a smart card. Claude Ormetal Inc. Claude, IMHO, using a cryptocard is even more secure, considerably more secure, than using a cert (even with your cert stored on a smart card). Also, you can take your cryptocard anywhere and use it on any computer; if you're talking a smart card you need the right computer set up etc. Incidentally I do think e-gold should ALSO offer the certificate method. Have you used a cryptocard? They're great. Incidentally, fastgrams will offer cryptocards (for free) to all larger customers. JP! --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: crypto card
Yes, that's the same idea as a cryptocard. It's great! RSI Security makes the SecureID card which generates a new 6 digit code every 10 seconds. Sites use this on top of a username/password combination which makes it impossible to login unless you have the secureID in your hand. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: http://www.BBTrader.com, and others!
That is great news, Bull Bear Trader! In fact the gold market's premier technical analylsis bulletin http://www.itsallinthecharts.com also accepts e-gold or goldmoney for payment! (Actually, we only accept DGC.) I believe FMGR, The Ormetal Report, http://www.itsallinthecharts.com/ and BBTrader all accept payment in DGC grams. (Any others?) Incidentally no-oone subscribing to IAITC makes an average of $500-$1,000 a day :) JP May IAITC itsallinthecharts.com Bull and Bear Trader is proud to announce they are now excepting E-Gold for membership purchase into our premier stock newsletter and for payment our our best selling trading EBook which has shown thousands of people like you how to make thousands of dollars (or gold grams) trading part-time or full time. Some have said to be making an average of $500-$1,000 a day. Now E-Gold members get a discount on both the yearly membership fee and EBook price of $49.95 and even better you can earn a huge referal fee spent directly into your account for referrals for both membership and EBook sales. Go check out the site. You won't regret it. Staff, Bull and Bear Trader BBTrader.com --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: crypto card
From what I understand -- E-Bullion is already offering the crypto-card upgrade. When I e-mailed them with questions last week they said the upgrades will start on this Wends the 6th. Here's the link: http://www.e-bullion.com/news_detail.php?id=34 John.. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: e-gold Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [e-gold-list] Re: crypto card Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 10:21:08 +1100 Yes, that's the same idea as a cryptocard. It's great! _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: GoldenDir.com Mistery
Well Alexis, Not to be RUDE but My email from Thursday went begging. What was that problem, what were YOU afraid of? I think You did not understand my New York written accent. That's right! I'm better at Irish accent ;-) What type of traffic are getting, we'd like to know. Check out http://extremetracking.com/open;unique?login=agolzman But I won't get more traffic if people doesn't ever add content (listings) to my site... Also, no one demands help from a New Yalker if that is the case, then I have a gif file for you, only by your request. OK, if you mean New Yorker, you can send me that gif file. Great site that does not support NS 4.7 old school. No offense, but why do you guys use such old crappy browsers? NS4 doesn't even support the IFRAME tag! It just makes building a complete, full featured website with all bells and whistles a bloody nightmare. How has arhentenia changed since the 70s? Not much really. There's still a nazi government here. Regards, Alexis. http://www.GoldenDir.com --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: crypto card / free at 1mdc
- Original Message - Also, you can take your cryptocard anywhere and use it on any computer; if you're talking a smart card you need the right computer set up etc. Have you used a cryptocard? They're great. OK JP, I took a look at www.cryptocard.com, and this looks truly awesome. This would give me enough security to access a fairly valuable account from a point-of-sale computer, wouldn't you think? Maybe even from an internet cafe! (Not that I'd want to push my luck or anything.) Does anyone know of any plans by e-gold or GoldMoney to support cryptocard authenication? One more thing, JP, am I to understand that fastgrams.com is going to use cryptocard? Or were you just referring to e-bullion? Regards, Patrick --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: crypto card / free at 1mdc
OK JP, I took a look at www.cryptocard.com, and this looks truly awesome. This would give me enough security to access a fairly valuable account from a point-of-sale computer, wouldn't you think? Maybe even from an internet cafe! (Not that I'd want to push my luck or anything.) Does anyone know of any plans by e-gold or GoldMoney to support cryptocard authenication? Absolutely great idea! With a crypto-card, you don't have to worry about losing your password, or inadvertently entering it on the wrong website, and it doesn't require any new hardware. If you have the card, you can access the website; and if you lose the card, the DGC company still has your contact information, and can send you another one. If it gets lost in the mail -- no big deal because no one who gets it will have your password, and both should be required to log-in. SnowDog --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: Gold Economy Conference
Hi Jim, I think the trend in conversions to a new technology tends to follow a cubic curve, where the initial acceptance is very slow (such as the first four years of e-gold going from 0 accounts to roughly 8,000 accounts), then it hits an exponential growth phase, and then tapers off to a relatively flat, but slightly increasing line. Cell phones and fax machines both followed this pattern. Digital Gold Currencies will probably experience a similar pattern. We are probably just at the very beginning of the fast adoption part of the curve and it could last ten to fifteen years. In my opinion, the DGC infrastructure and legal issues are still not hammered out enough to be ready for the world to start using them in mass. But things are RAPIDLY improving. E-Bullion finally has a Cryptocard, there are now three or four DGC-linked debit cards available out there, and I hear that Pecunix is going to offer a novel new service that integrates its currency with the traditional banking system. Ken Don't miss the Gold Economy Conference! http://www.goldeconomy.com/conference/ --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] New Interview On Planetgold!!!
A new interview has been published on Planetgold.com !! Read it now, bookmark the site! Be updated on the hot digital currency scene! http://planetgold.com/interview.asp http://planetgold.com/interview.asp http://planetgold.com/interview.asp Regards, Ragnar = Liberty Impact! Check out this free, hard-hitting weekly newsletter about privacy, liberty, offshore banking, tax avoidance digital currencies. http://list.netatlantic.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?join=liberty-impact __ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: MMs - EPs stop wasting your time
Check out http://www.xivix.net/xspenderv2.php for more info. Xspender is awesome! everyone should have it! On a different note, Banangold and GoldPay are awesome. I just found that that you can shop target through bananagold. Check out the Target part of Amazon. I did not even know that! :O --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
