[e-gold-list] looking for E-Bullion

2002-11-20 Thread Frank Zuchristian
Good morning everyone,

we are looking for 1300 US$ worth of E-Bullion, we can
swap for E-gold or send wire, just let us know.

Thanks!

Yvonne
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[e-gold-list] Re: Liberty Dollar Debuts Online!

2002-11-20 Thread Danny Van den Berghe
 This means that in addition to the $100 for sponsoring a Redemption
Center,
 if you sponsor just one RC who uses the same amount of Liberty Dollars
 Online monthly as you do, you will effectively get 20% on your money. If
you
 sponsor just 9 friends, who use the same amount of ALD monthly as you do,
 you will get your money for free. If you sponsor 100 friends, get $10,000
 and you can live for free on the ALD.



Hi,



Can you please tell me what's the catch here?
Where is this easy 20% on my money going to come from?
Is this a good old Ponzi , or what?

Sorry, but this kind of easy money proposals makes me very suspicious


Danny


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[e-gold-list] Re: Liberty Dollar Debuts Online!

2002-11-20 Thread James M. Ray
At 8:13 PM +0200 11/19/02, Danny Van den Berghe wrote:
..

Can you please tell me what's the catch here?
Where is this easy 20% on my money going to come from?
Is this a good old Ponzi , or what?

Sorry, but this kind of easy money proposals makes me very suspicious


Actually, it's not a Ponzi - IMO it's a case of chutzpah (but
the good kind, a-la J.S.G. Boggs) working. Silver, at the
moment, sells for less than five bucks an ounce, and the
key is that Bernard has unilaterally declared an ounce of
silver = $10 of his bucks (which Bernard spends at face! 
(in fact, I witnessed an exchange between him  Boggs,
and I'd love to have that Boggs $100  the Norfed ALCs
that formed the transaction!). Bernard's coins are pretty
and shiny and people can touch them, so they're popular,
and now Bernard's doing an electronic currency I guess,
but presumably as long as silver's less than five bucks
per ounce and they're selling it for ten! there's room for
a 20% profit (or else I'm getting the math wrong!). IMO,
all this points out what an incredibly-good deal e-silver
is, even with the larger-than-gold mark-up it gets. :^)
JMR

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[e-gold-list] Re: Liberty Dollar Debuts Online!

2002-11-20 Thread Patrick Chkoreff
At 07:43 AM 11/20/2002 -0500, James M. Ray wrote:

... Silver, at the
moment, sells for less than five bucks an ounce, and the
key is that Bernard has unilaterally declared an ounce of
silver = $10 of his bucks ...


Please tell us where you can buy one ounce minted silver coins for anywhere 
near five bucks.

I believe the five buck spot price is only for bullion traders purchasing 
100 oz bars.

Regards,
Patrick
http://fexl.com


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[e-gold-list] Re: Liberty Dollar Debuts Online!

2002-11-20 Thread C. Cormier - Ormetal Inc.
On 20 Nov 2002, at 9:32, Patrick Chkoreff wrote:

 Please tell us where you can buy one ounce minted silver coins for
 anywhere near five bucks.

Patrick,

The best price you can get these days for a one ounce silver coin 
(Say a Silver Maple Leaf) is $6.81-$7.00

STill a lot cheaper than $10.

Claude Cormier
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[e-gold-list] Re: Liberty Dollar Debuts Online!

2002-11-20 Thread Jay W.
 Please tell us where you can buy one ounce minted silver coins for anywhere 
 near five bucks.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=801629420
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=802503510
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=803091932
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=1394555809
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=1394555722
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=1394897993
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=1394898148
etc.


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[e-gold-list] Re: Liberty Dollar Debuts Online!

2002-11-20 Thread James M. Ray
At 9:36 AM -0500 11/20/02, C. Cormier - Ormetal Inc. wrote:
...
The best price you can get these days for a one ounce silver coin
(Say a Silver Maple Leaf) is $6.81-$7.00

STill a lot cheaper than $10.

Claude's right.

Seigniorage is the net revenue from issuing stuff like
coins (in this case electronic money). It comes from
the (often substantial) difference* between face value
and the cost of production/distribution. The smaller
the coin, the worse it gets. For example, I LOVE my
1 gram Credit Suisse gold bar, and I got a good
deal on it, but I  ended up paying almost $20, back
when gold was somewhere between $8  $9/gram
instead of over $10!
JMR

* If you think Bernard has chutzpah, you ought to
see the cost of printing/issuing the average unit of
government-money! I think a $1 bill costs about
$0.11 to print, IIRC.


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[e-gold-list] Re: Liberty Dollar Debuts Online!

2002-11-20 Thread Patrick Chkoreff
At 09:36 AM 11/20/2002 -0500, C. Cormier - Ormetal Inc. wrote:

On 20 Nov 2002, at 9:32, Patrick Chkoreff wrote:

 Please tell us where you can buy one ounce minted silver coins for
 anywhere near five bucks.

Patrick,

The best price you can get these days for a one ounce silver coin
(Say a Silver Maple Leaf) is $6.81-$7.00

STill a lot cheaper than $10.



Thanks for the information Claude!

So now we can see that von NotHaus' chutzpah factor is more like 43%, not 
the 100% that Jim Ray implied.  :-)

They had to walk a difficult line when they designed the Liberty 
coin.  They decided to denominate it in dollars so it would be 
familiar.  But then the question became, how many dollars?  Any number you 
choose is somewhat arbitrary, since it will almost never equal the spot 
price of silver or the asking price of most silver bullion coins.

So what's the correct number?  Five?  Too low.  Ten?  Seems about 
right.  Twenty?  Too high.  Certainly they didn't want to use something 
like 7.50 or 8.

Some would argue that this inherent difficulty is evidence that 
denominating a precious metal coin in dollars is a bad idea to being 
with.  Personally I wouldn't go that far.

But once you decide to denominate a coin in dollars, you have to pick a 
reasonable and workable number.  I think Ten is pretty good.

The problem with most bullion coins is they either have no denomination 
in national units or an unreasonably low denomination -- for example, a one 
ounce gold coin denominated as Fifty Dollars.  It's a sick joke.

If you're going to have a precious metal coin denominated in familiar 
units, and you want that coin to circulate and spend as those units, I 
think you have to err a bit on the high side.

So, the $3.00 spread between the Silver Maple Leaf and the Liberty coin is 
the price you pay for having the words Ten Dollars stamped on the coin.  :-)

-- Patrick
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[e-gold-list] IS Graham Kelly of GOLDNOW a scammer ?

2002-11-20 Thread xyzt123456
Sorry to disturb the List, but MAYBE I will get a reply AND the e-gold
I purchased, after sending the message here !?

USD 2,150 have been sent by IMO to GOLDNOW on October 11th (yes, October!)

Today, NO e-gold has been credited ion my account. I was away and
checked only yesterday when back in my place.

After emailing Graham on the 18th of November, I got a reply It
seems strange that we haven't paid it... I'll look into this in the
AM! Sorry for the delay

Today NO more reply, I emailed him 3 times, he seems to be dead !


So, is GOLDNOW a scam ?

Henri DELGADO


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[e-gold-list] Credit Cards at PayBYGold

2002-11-20 Thread marco
Dear Friends,

I am pleased to inform eveybody that,  as requested by many clients,
PayByGold is now able to fund your EGold/GoldMoney/Ebullion/NetPay or
EvoCash accounts by means of credit card deposits, at the lowest fees
available on the market!

Pls visit www.paybygold.com and see for yourself

As usual

Have a great day

marco lavanna
www.paybygold.com


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[e-gold-list] Re: Visit Gold

2002-11-20 Thread Ragnar
Ben,

 It's still an outside chance of course, and other than
 starting a 
 tunnel you just have to take it on trust that the gold is
 there and 

Shhh!!  I'm almost done with the tunnel...  I'll be inside the
vault in a few weeks...

Anyone want to buy gold on the cheap?  grin


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[e-gold-list] A Internet Gold Comparison web site

2002-11-20 Thread Hank Roark
This Web Site compares 1MDC, CrowneGold, E-gold, GoldMoney, and Pecunix:
http://www.dgcworld.com/
I got to it from an ad at the Golden Bastard web site. Maybe they will add 
these Liberty Dollars everyone is talking about here.

HR
P.S.
My HushGold email was deactivated and cannot be activated without paying 
them so I have switched to this Hotmail email. If you tried
to contact me with email switch to new email address please.



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[e-gold-list] I'm alive powering ahead!

2002-11-20 Thread Graham Kelly
Henri,

No, Graham Kelly  GoldNow are NOT a scam, and we are definately NOT
dead! In fact, not only surviving, but having major growth! In SPITE of
crooks/thieves, both petty AND professional!

We have asked our bank to verify your payment method. Once they advise
that your payment is irrevocable, we'll pay your e-gold account. 

I will publicly advise you when the credit has been made. BTW, we didn't
receive 3 emails from you today. What email address are you using?

e-gold list: I just love it when customers do this!


On Wed, 20 Nov 2002 10:28:13 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
 Sorry to disturb the List, but MAYBE I will get a reply AND the e-gold
 I purchased, after sending the message here !?
 
 USD 2,150 have been sent by IMO to GOLDNOW on October 11th (yes,
 October!)
 
 Today, NO e-gold has been credited ion my account. I was away and
 checked only yesterday when back in my place.

Cheers!

Graham Kelly CEO
GoldNow Corporation http://www.GoldNow.St
Primary Customer Service +61 3 9415-7750
US FreeFax +1(800)786-3012
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GoldNow is now taking orders for a no-name debit card, which can be
funded by cash, or ecurrency!

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[e-gold-list] Re: I'm alive powering ahead!

2002-11-20 Thread X


 No, Graham Kelly  GoldNow are NOT a scam, and we are definately NOT
 dead! In fact, not only surviving, but having major growth! In SPITE
 of crooks/thieves, both petty AND professional!

 We  have  asked  our  bank  to verify your payment method. Once they
 advise  that  your  payment  is  irrevocable,  we'll pay your e-gold
 account.

ONE  MONTH after, you want to verify a money order ? Why didn't you do
it  earlier  ?!!  You are a lier, and you probably haven't even $2,150
worth of e-gold, that's why you need to wait !

I  do  NOT  accept that, and ask you to credit my account IMMEDIATELY,
ONE MONTH after you got the money !!!


 I  will  publicly  advise you when the credit has been made. BTW, we
 didn't  receive  3 emails from you today. What email address are you
 using?

I  do  NOT  agree  to  wait ANY MORE time. You got the money order ONE
MONTH  AGO,  so  I  want the gold NOW. About the 3 emasils, I sent two
this morning and one yesterday, from the current address. And I didn't
get  any  bounce ! Maybe that you also want to verify if my emails are
irrevocable ?


 e-gold list: I just love it when customers do this!

You will love me, be sure !


Henri


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[e-gold-list] Re: Off Shore Hosting

2002-11-20 Thread Greg Broiles
At 06:46 PM 11/18/2002 -0600, Cassandra wrote:

I live in Central America and am considering starting a web-hosting
business here.  This message is a feeler to see if there is interest
in this group.  Yes, of course, we would accept payment in e-gold.
^_^   The 2nd question, if you would be interested in Central
American hosting, is would you be willing to pay more for hosting
here than what it costs for hosting in the US?


To get good answers, you probably need to be more specific re what the 
parameters of the service are, e.g. -

What sort of content can be hosted? Porn? Gambling? Nazi? Commercial things 
advertised with spam?
HYIP/Ponzi schemes? Fraud sites which collect access information by 
pretending to be other sites?
Can your customers send or relay spam from your server(s)?

How [non] responsive will you be if you're contacted by complainers, 
police, lawyers, or courts? From
other jurisdictions? From your jurisdiction? Do you have assets in popular 
forum jurisdictions (like the
US, France, or Germany) which will make you sensitive to court action in 
those jurisdictions?

Who are your upstream connectivity providers, and what are their answers to 
those questions?

What sort of bandwidth, latency, and uptime guarantees are you willing to 
provide?

What hardware and software platform(s) are you using for hosting, and what 
is the reputation and
experience of the people who are responsible for technical operations and 
security?

What kind of access to the underlying system do your customers get? cgi-bin 
access? MySQL?
PHP, Perl, Python, ASP? sendmail?

Are you willing/able to host colocated boxes?


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[e-gold-list] Liberty Dollars

2002-11-20 Thread Jim Davidson
Dear Claude,

I don't actually know whether the digital Liberty Dollar
exchanges 1:1 with the paper warehouse receipt or the
Liberty silver pieces (which look and act like coins). I
think that's the intention of the press release, though.

The claim that the digital Liberty dollar is 100% backed by
silver does not mean that it exchanges at the spot price of
silver.  Instead, it exchanges at a $10 per ounce price of
silver.  I don't think NORFED claims any responsibility for
setting the spot price of silver.  So, why should they be
expected to redeem at that price?

Moreover, I can buy Liberty silver pieces at a substantial
discount to the $10 face value.  I'm currently working with
a buying pool to get a price of $6.15 per piece.  As you
know, that's comparable to the pricing on similar one ounce
troy silver pieces such as the Silver Maple or the Silver
Eagle.  I happen to prefer a one ounce troy silver piece of
.999 fine silver which has a useful face value stamped on it.

As for paying $10 to get yourself $4.50 worth of silver at the
current spot price, that's a silly argument.  You know perfectly
well that there is nowhere in the world where you can buy only
one ounce troy of silver and pay US$4.50 in exchange.  The fact
is that the spot price of silver is based on an ingot, or loaf,
or one might call it a pillow, which has a thousand ounces of
silver.  Now if you want 83.333 pounds troy of silver, great.
But if what you actually want is just one ounce troy, you are
going to pay a premium to the spot price.

If, moreover, you want to get that one ounce in a useful shape,
such as the disc-shape which most folks call a coin, you are
going to pay for the cost of engraving the design of the coin,
the cost of designing that design, and the cost of minting the
coin.  Necessarily, these costs impose a premium, which you pay
when you buy just one Silver Maple.  So, don't let's be silly.

The Liberty silver piece makes no claim about being 100% backed
by silver.  It simply is silver.  And it has a face value on it.

The same, as Craig Spencer points out, is true of the Silver
Maple.  It isn't backed by silver, it simply is silver.  And
so is the Silver Eagle.  Of course, the Silver Maple (available
from Cambist for $7.25 each plus shipping while supplies last) is
. fine; the silver Liberty is .999 fine, and I think the
silver Eagle is about .99 fine or less.  But, we can argue that
these are comparable items, of identical weight.

Do I think an exchanger would accept a digital Liberty dollar
for one-sixtieth of a GoldMoney goldgram?  No, I don't.  I
believe John Kyle has set rates for exchange among Liberty
silver and the other currencies we support, and may have them
published on our Cambist site.

I don't happen to believe in a fixed ratio between gold and
silver.  In that sense, I'm much like the market in general.
Neither a 14:1 nor a 20:1 nor a 60:1 gold:silver exchange
rate makes any sense, because both metals have different uses.
Sooner or later, they will trade at a surplus or deficit to
the fixed exchange rate.  So it made no sense for Congress to
declare a fixed exchange rate in copper, silver, and gold in
1792.  But, the Congress was not filled with economists at
the time, so they did it anyway.

The Silver Maple Leaf coin has a face value of C$5.  So it
is foolish to use it at a cash register.  You say, Who cares?
but I care very much.

You see, I enjoy using silver Liberty pieces because they
have a useful face value.  I am able to buy them at a discount
to their face value, and spend them at a profit.  That means
that they operate as money should - they can be spent at face
value at a cash register.

By way of contrast, sticking with US dollars for the moment,
we have the American Silver Eagle.  This coin has a $1 face
value.  Of course, it has an ounce of silver in it, and it
has some numismatic value, plus its useful size and shape,
so it sells at a premium to the spot price of silver.  I would
be a fool to spend it at a cash register.

Of course, there is a value to the fact that the Silver Eagle
is legal tender.  It was made legal tender by an act of
Congress back in 1985.  Their purpose was to avoid the duties
on exporting silver and gold, while at the same time avoid
having silver and gold coins compete with the Federal Reserve
Notes issued by their friends in the banking cartel.  To me,
though, the value of the face value on the Silver Eagle is
that I can sell these coins to folks who seek to contribute
to candidates for public office in the USA.  Because the
actual face value of the coins represents the legal tender
value of the coins, it is possible for a campaign contributor
to donate more *value* while still contributing within the
(foolish and unconstitutional) campaign law limits.

I suppose there might be something similar up in Canada.
Again, the Silver Maple has a face value which is absurd
compared to its true value, but that might allow a campaign
contributor to do somewhat 

[e-gold-list] e-Pyrite? I don't think so

2002-11-20 Thread Jim Davidson
Dear James,

Your comments do seem a bit self-serving, but as the song says:

  You can't please everyone, so
  Ya got to please yourself.

I have no doubt that your comments are useful as well as quite
self-serving.  There seems to be a synergy there.

Perusing the documents again more closely, it may be that you are
correct and the previous audit which I can access readily was not
an audit as such.  It has been a long while that I've had one or
more e-gold accounts, and it seems to me there were other audit
documents in the 1998 to 2001 timeframe, but I would have to hunt
through a bunch of old data archives in the event I have one of
these.  As there is no current audit of e-gold, and as that sort
of current audit is what I seek along with others, there is not
much reason to hunt for the old stuff.

As far as how much e-currency has been issued by the e-gold
system, there is an e-gold examiner page, and related pages,
which seem to indicate this figure on a regular basis.  I am
aware that these pages post the representations of management,
and are not an audit of those representations.  Again, I would
also like to see those figures audited.

The fact that e-gold has gold, and that nobody doubts it, not even
you, one of their primary competitors, suggests that e-gold is a
different class of thing than OSGold.  I think that's important
in and of itself.  Due diligence on e-gold remains to be completed,
but there is plenty of evidence that they have gold.  There was
never any evidence at all that OSGold had even a tiny amount of
gold for which its currency might be redeemed.

E-gold may in fact not be gold circulated electronically.  It does
appear that it is an electronic warehouse receipt, or a digital
warehouse receipt currency.  However, in spite of the vehement
insistence that GoldMoney is gold circulated electronically, a
number of participants on these lists, notably Craig Spencer, say
that your system is also a warehouse receipt system.  The one
calling itself major or colonel bosco has suggested that it is
noteworthy that your system requires a person to own 400 ounces,
even though other bar sizes are in regular use worldwide, in order
to obtain redemption of gold directly to the user.  To the extent
that redemption of gold is possible from e-gold, that same standard
applies.

Clearly, e-gold is motivated to differentiate its approach and its
technology from GoldMoney's approach and technology.  That is no
surprise, given the patent litigation that looms.  I suspect that
there are more than one way to skin a cat.

If, on the one hand, Barry Downey is mistaken in his sworn affidavit,
and e-gold is just like GoldMoney, then your patent dispute has
merit.  If, on the other hand, Downey is correct, your patent dispute
would seem to fall by the wayside.  In this second case, the matter
of e-gold having a third party auditor perform an actual audit is
important to those of us who are buying and selling it all the time.

Let me reiterate, I've always wanted an audit of e-gold.  I've gone
to considerable trouble to prompt an audit.  I've even looked into
the matter of hiring a third party auditor to conduct such an audit
independent of e-gold.  (This matter proves to be quite difficult
and expensive.  No third party auditor has yet indicated that it is
possible, but each one that I've inquired with has indicated a very
high fee just to find out if such an audit were possible. Zounds.)

The ownership of the gold would appear to be relevant, but not the
only relevant thing.  Yes, I am willing to suppose that I own the
gold represented in my GoldMoney holding.  I am also willing to
accept that I don't own the gold in my e-gold account.  The matter
of an audit is pretty important in either case, so based solely on
this issue, I would rather hold GoldMoney than e-gold.

However, the matter of redemption also figures prominently in my
choices.  I happen to find the customer service at e-Bullion to be
par excellence, and the fact that I can redeem any size of bullion
from them seems to be a significant improvement.  So, on the whole,
I'd rather hold e-Bullion.  The market seems to agree, since
e-Bullion is the second largest and appears to be the fastest
growing online gold currency.

Let's say that you are correct and that e-gold is really a promise to
pay gold.  How does that affect the end user?  Provided that there
are ounces of gold to match all the promises outstanding, it does not
have any affect on the end user at all.  It is just another way of
skinning the cat.  The cat might complain, but the job gets done.
(I've never really understood this idiom: who wants to have a cat
without its pelt?  Given my mild allergy to cat saliva, I sure don't
want the cat's pelt, either.  At least when attached to the cat, it
can be involved in the catching of rodents.)

As far as sarcastic versions of e-gold's slogan, I think I came up
with a few of those myself.  Which is part of the joy of doing business.
If we can't 

[e-gold-list] Press Release ..New auction site might take e-gold if demand is there.

2002-11-20 Thread chris hogan
We at bidcow.com just might consider taking e-gold as a form of payment if
the e-gold membership warrants it...here is a copy of Bidcow.com's inital
press release, you make the decision , and email [EMAIL PROTECTED] if you
would like to sign up for their auction services using e-gold payments
that beat ebay hands down.


Chris Hogan
Founder/Ceo
Bidcow.com
[EMAIL PROTECTED]



New Kansas City Based Auction Site is Going to give Ebay.com some Stiff
competition.

Founder/ Ceo of http://www.bidcow.com; Chris Hogan states We are online
now

Yes we do intend to give Ebay.com all kinds of competition, as we are
structured differently than they are, not only are we an auction site, but
we are also a classified ad site and a want ad site, so our members have
not just one option but three options to  either buy, sell, post
classified ads, or want ads, therefore we plan to have alot of Ebay users
swap over to us.

See Ebay. com gets a commission or percentage of EVERY item sold on thier
site, and they charge outrageous listing fees for certin inems such as
cars, motorcycles, real estate, Where http://www.bidcow.com; Charges NO
LISTING FEES for ANY item, also Bidcow.com does not get a commission of
each and evey item sold on our site Hogan states, As a matter of fact we
dont get a commission off of ANY ITEM SOLD on bidcow.com.

How we stay in business is simple, the registered member pays a $1.35 per
MONTH membership fee to be a member of http://www.bidcow.com;. This $1.35
per month membership fee entitles the member to UNLIMITED ITEM POSTINGS,
UNLIMITED CLASSIFIED AD POSTINGS AND UNLIMITED WANT AD POSTINGS.

Quite simply put, for $1.35 per month membership fee you can post as many
items as you want be it 10 or 10,000, and you will not be charged anything
except the $ 1.35 per month membership fee. people should not have to pay
a commission for selling thier own things, to me its like peanlizing them
for wanting to buy or sell from an auction site  this is why we came up
with the membership concept. This will allow people to keep more of thier
own money while keeping the prices down for any buyers out there.

MOOVE ove Ebay.com there is a new kid in the auction barnyard,
Kansas city based http://www.bidcow.com; is in place to climb to the top
of the auction ladder, because we actually care about our members, what a
concept!

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