[e-gold-list] Re: gold price downturn and investment vehicles
Hello Patrick, Patrick Chkoreff wrote: Interesting. You mentioned USD/AU and USD/NZD, but do you have a bottom line figure on NZD/AU? I mean, how much has the price of gold in NZD dropped over the last two years? Actually, from the data I have, in the same time period I quoted before, it appears the gold rose by just over 2% in terms of NZD... slightly better than the inflation rate of about 1.5% I think the charts you want are at http://gold-price.net Regards, Sidd. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: gold price downturn and investment vehicles
Here's an interesting observation: In the last 2 years, most people have been excited about the rise in the gold price. On this day in 2001 the gold price was $275/ounce http://kitco.com/scripts/hist_charts/daily_graphs.cgi Today the gold price is $403/ounce. http://kitco.com/charts/livegold.html This shows an increase of 46.5% over the 2001 price. To put this into perspective though, consider the devastation of the USD. My interest is in New Zealand, where I reside for much of the time. The USD/NZD exchange rate on this day 2001 was 2.41663 http://www.oanda.com/convert/classic Today the USD/NZD exchange rate is 1.54696 This shows an increase of 56% over the 2001 price. Thus, I have been MUCH better off keeping my money in a NZ bank at an interest rate of 6.5% than I would have been if I had kept it in gold. You Americans must be really pissed at how your currency is being destroyed! Sidd. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: Some reasons why you should do MUCH business with Graham Kelly/GoldNOW!
Graham Kelly wrote: This person wants me to refund the difference in the cost of the e-gold when he delivered it to us, after he cancelled his order, and we refunded him. He gave us $580 USD worth of e-gold, which was returned in *full*, less the DMT transfer fees, plus an apology for the delay. Apparantly, the value of gold reduced by some $13 odd! (Incidently, we would have refunded his e-gold for EXACTLY the same amount had the ecurrency value increased... he could have made $ on the refund!) The ethical way to deal with a situation like this is to return the exact amount of gold by weight to the customer, not the USD value. Sidd. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: default to USD/weight?
Graham Kelly wrote: I wouldn't normally disagree. However, the GoldNow terms of trade specifically advises that we default to the USD value. Besides, that not an ethical error, just a trading reality. No, you are incorrect, it is a matter of ethics. If someone gives you something and you wish to return it, you must return exactly what they gave you, not some arbitrary non-equivalent valuation of it. You were paid a certain weight of gold... all e-gold payments are settled in weight of gold, as clearly stated on the e-gold web site. The exchange rates are merely for convenience. In order to ethically return an e-gold payment, it is necessary to return the weight of gold. Sidd. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: Ethical refunds
Viking, Viking Coder wrote: Why is that the case when the transaction was done in USD, and the site/emails contain notices stating such an eventuality? Please read my previous message explaining the situation. If the reverse had happened, and the exact weight was returned, the client would be raising hell that $580 was spent, but only ~$567 (minus fees) was refunded. It would be easy to explain the logic of the refund if it was done correctly as I explained. A transaction should be unraveled in the same manner that it was entered. No, that is not correct... see my other message. Or do you mean ... The ethical way is to always take the short end of the stick, regardless of circumstances Which is an extreme version of The customer is always right No, I don't mean that, I mean there is only one correct solution, no matter which way the USD value of gold moves. Sidd. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: Ethical refunds
Viking Coder wrote: Yes, but is it a matter of ethics, or of business practices/methods? When a transaction is made across non-equivalent currencies, is there an *ethical* means of determining what amount should be refunded? There was no transaction across non-equivalent currencies, gold was paid, and gold should be returned. If the customer had paid Graham 500 USD, Graham would be correct to return USD, but that was not the case, Graham was paid a weight of gold. It is impossible to Spend USD with e-gold, and this is clearly stated on the e-gold site. Quote e-gold Account User Agreement: 1.12. Spend means the act of transferring value between e-gold accounts in fulfillment of a payment order entered by User. Spends are accounted by weight and convey title to that precise fine weight of metal. Spends may not exceed Available Balance. How is this situation usually handled (fiat - fiat transactions)? Is the merchant/payee's currency used as the basis for refund, or the customer/payer's currency used? This is not the issue under discussion, no exchange between different currencies had taken place. Sidd. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: comglomerated gold
Robert B.Z. wrote: Sidd, Untrue... 1g e-gold has ALWAYS been = to 1g Pecunix... Try it for yourself http://open2exchange.com/buy.sell...c2c What about the transaction fees on the deposit at pecinux? It's free... Pecunix has a policy of offering preferred transaction rates to certain larger customers. It is available to all businesses that qualify, on application. see the bottom of the following page http://pecunix.com/money.refined...ind.feestructure Regards, Sidd. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: comglomerated gold
Robert, Robert B.Z. wrote: 1g e-gold = 1g pecunix = 1g e-bullion = 1g goldmoney No it is untrue on two counts: (1) 1g e-gold = (1g sth else - minus exchange fees) Untrue... 1g e-gold has ALWAYS been = to 1g Pecunix... Try it for yourself http://open2exchange.com/buy.sell...c2c Likewise for all the others... Either way, I think the main concerns are not two words I used and their dictionary meanings, but the fact that for 1g comgold to be redeemable for gold, you need to look at it as 100/100g comgold I think you have misunderstood Viking completely... Hence there has to be actual proof of the gold holdings for each currency, That is what Viking proposed. The simple proposal was that there would always be a 1:1 ratio of gold to comgold, but a user would need to take pot luck when redeeming... In other words, if you wish to redeem 40g of comgold, and there is say 30g of e-gold in the system, and 20g of Pecunix and 10g of e-bullion etc, you are out of luck if you want it all in e-gold, you would need to take the 30g in e-gold and the balance in one of the others... There is no fractional system... Regards, Sidd. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: I need a host outside USA
Try this: http://garzoo.com/index.cfm?fact=searchresultsstart=1string=hosting [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry for posting on egold list but I can not find a good host. Thank you for understanding ! --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: Pecunix security
George, Viking Coder wrote: I wonder if it is possible for a user to make his account balance public, but not to everybody?! This is currently possible - somewhat; the read-only access level. However, the password would have to be changed soon after to make it temporary. A better way to do it would be to put an obscure e-mail address as the Pecunix account identifier... any free e-mail address that you control would do... Send the e-mail address to the person who must view the account. Once they have viewed the account, change the e-mail address in the account back to your normal one. The public balance is viewed here: http://pecunix.com/money.refined...ref.balance Regards, Sidd. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: Pecunix security
Sidd wrote: Send the e-mail address to the person who must view the account. Once they have viewed the account, change the e-mail address in the account back to your normal one. Er... and remember to turn public viewing off again. Regards, Sidd. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: Pecunix security
Dear Jim, Jim Davidson wrote: One of the things I'm not clear about is how one goes about logging into a Pecunix account with less than full access. Log in to your Pecunix account with full access and click Account Details Access Levels Look for Limited Access and Click here to view or update your PIK for this access level This will reveal your limited access PIK... use the limited access PIK to log in with limited access, and likewise use your read-only PIK for read-only access. You can also activate PGP security for your account by clicking Account Details PGP Security For those who only use one computer and who have a fixed IP address, the IP security is also available (George?) Sidd, it seems to me that you should keep the high level of security for full access. Perhaps lower-level access could be obtained using PGP only? The thing is Jim, despite what the detractors say, Pecunix does have a much higher level of security than the competing DGC's and it is NOT DIFFICULT to use! There is no need to have lower levels of access security. Or maybe those who want to risk the keystroke loggers and clipboard loggers can set their accounts to a more open approach. I don't know. I think this is unnecessary, the Pecunix system works well, and is really not difficult. There is enough evidence to suggest that we need to help users to protect themselves, despite their best efforts to the contrary. If it were possible it would require running a program (such as activex) from the browser... a definitely BAD idea. Isn't ActiveX one of those dramatically bad ideas of the Microsofties? I thought it was pretty much limited to Internet Exploder? Yes, I think so... the alternative would be Java... either way, it is never a good idea to run any type of program from a browser... it is open to all kinds of abuse... Imagine the fun that copycat sites could have if the user was actually willing (and expecting) the site to download a program to the browser! Regards, Sidd. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: Pecunix Login
Hello George, FileMatrix wrote: Someone could still your wallet, or take a photo of your PIKs, or simply copy the PIKs... and you would never know. George, by far the greatest problem is the theft of passwords by virus/trojan type keyloggers... In all my years in this community, I have never heard of even one case of passwords being stolen because they were written down and stored safely. Remember again, the PIK is the equivalent of the e-gold/goldMoney account number. In those systems you actually PUBLICISE the account number. You are harping on the VERY SLIGHT risk that someone MAY get your PIK. It doesn't matter George! It is just one half of the puzzle, the Password is the SECRET part of the key... The PIK is there to defeat the trojans, the password secures your account, just as it does in e-gold and the others. So, sorry to say, the security of Pecunix log-in is not better than others. This is an entirely incorrect observation... you have missed so many factors in the equation of security and usability. If the password could be longer (the maximum set to at least 20 characters), things would be entirely different. Ok, that's no problem to change... And even better if Sidd would put three passwords (and one PIK), as he said. Actually, we would need to have 3 PIKs and 3 passwords... the password is vulnerable to keylogger attacks, and insider attacks with keyloggers are VERY much easier than even the e-mail/virus/trojan attack because insiders may have access to the machine. If I gave my (one) PIK to my crooked bookkeeper and the read-only password... he would merely need to log my keystrokes once to steal my full password and get access to the account. But anyway, Sidd, also think at the Bedazzled log-in, with password images (those images can be copied only by someone with access to the computer, unlike a printed PIK). Its too complicated and too limiting George... imagine, if people judge the current Pecunix system as complicated, how much more so is bedazzled? I am a traveller, and I need to be able to access my Pecunix account from various computers in various locations... I don't need the problem of having to carry my login images around on a disc (which could be stolen, and I don't even know the meaning of encryption, so I am entirely vulnerable). There are many people using DGC's, each of whom has an ideal for the way he would like the system to work, and is blind to the needs of others... we need a system that is secure and satisfies the majority of users. I think we have a good start on that as Pecunix is now. Change is a good thing, but too much change is very bad... Regards, Sidd. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: monthly billing
Dear Jeff, Graham Kelly wrote: Try Pecunix.com , I think they have a monthly billing solution, which MAY fit the bill. Pecunix doesn't have a monthly billing solution, but it does allow account holders to set up regular automatic payments... so if you encourage your subscribers to set up automatic payments to pay with Pecunix, you will receive the payments like clockwork. Regards, Sidd. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: Pecunix Audit
Hi Joris, Last time I checked the auditors were BDO International. Yes, that is still correct. Is that the 4-monthly audit? If not, can you tell me where I can find the last audit done by BDO International? It is here: http://pecunix.com/money.refined...ind.mintInstructions Click on the little red double arrow to see the latest report. Regards, Sidd. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: Gold-Cart Article... trusting e-gold/delayed payments
Dear George, FileMatrix wrote: But the way Pecunix displays the PIKs makes it difficult if not impossible to copy and paste them. So maybe Pecunix could also display each PIK in pure text in a form somewhat like George suggests: 1-a 2-4 3-T 4-u 5-X 6-b 7-Q 8-N 9-e 10-j 11-Y 12-u 13-A 14-m 15-9 16-h Absolutely! This is a possibility, but of course that would be easy for a screen scraper to steal... I will look into this more. It is also possible to increase the number of elements in the PIK to all 26 letters from English. This would give a total combinations number of 10^26. Yes, but there is a very good reason for leaving out the Zero, One, Oscar, Lima, India, characters... they can be easily confused, depending on the font the user chooses, and this creates a larger customer service work load, sorting out can't log in queries. The user would be instructed to keep private the user name and all three passwords. The user would also be instructed to keep them in an encrypted file, and to copy and paste them in the log-in form. The method is both easy and secure. Of course, as you say, it seems most people preffer to print them and that would make it impossible for this method to work since it would require users to type long radom strings. George, your suggestion assumes that everyone only ever logs in from their own computer where they have access to these encrypted files. Sure you could carry them on a portable disc, but when using your account from an insecure computer (such as an internet café) it is far more secure to have the PIK printed and carried in your wallet. The Pecunix system is still by far the most secure default login, but your suggestions degrade the security substantially. I was refering to beginners in computers. When I saw the log-in form I was puzzled for a few (tens of) seconds (and I'm no beginner). Perhaps your puzzlement was caused by the very fact that you are not a beginner George. You had a preconceived idea about what to expect and it was different. Remember beginners find everything about the computer puzzling, even e-mail, but they work it out. As one becomes more familiar with computers, one develops certain expectations, and perhaps is irritated or frustrated if something one is not familiar with is presented. This seems to be especially so if you consider yourself to be tech-savvy. I know I sometimes suffer from this. As I pointed out before, it is invariably the tech-savvy or experienced user who complains about the Pecunix login system, not the beginner, who usually asks if he is not sure. Beginners are used to not knowing what to do with their computers and are generally more willing to click the help button. The existing password is too short, maximum 5 characters (plus the 4 from the system) are not enough. It is generally accepted that 8 character passwords are sufficient security, and for a user on the move, not always using the same computer, more than 8 are getting too difficult to remember. Oh, and maybe you can find a good anti-key-logger program and put a link to it in the download page. Even if the PIKs are safe (for being images), the passwords are not. We can think about that. Remember, even if the keylogger stole your password, it still doesn't have the full picture and your account is safe. I was thinking to something else: isn't there any way to check using the browser (basically, your log-in page should do this) if there is any program (the key-logger) hooked to the keyboard handler, or a text screen harvester? If it is possible, the log-in form could tell users there is a security breach. If it were possible it would require running a program (such as activex) from the browser... a definitely BAD idea. Regards, Sidd. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: Finding serious e-gold investors...
Hi Gordon, Katz Global Media wrote: I would be more inclined to make use of something like this (Gold-Cart) if I could install it on our servers rather than running all our transactions over a third party server. How would you suggest that could work? Would you then facilitate the exchange of currencies as well? There is more to it than meets the eye. I have not ever been able to get into our pecunix account since we opened it 8 months ago. If someone spent funds to it I would have to write it off. Going through the process of access retieval seemed to be a waste of time and a major effort. Gordon, we have no log of you ever requesting to retrieve your account access. If you have PGP, it takes less than 10 minutes to recover lost login details... If you don't have PGP, it may take a little longer. BTW, I just sent 10 grams to your Pecunix account as a personal gift from me :) Some things would have to change before we would use this with our daily buisiness. It is not yet practical for the masses. I wonder why you say that? Have you visited gold-cart and clicked the link to buy a funny story? It's so easy its laughable. One forgets that even using e-gold for a new person is scary and confusing. Who to trust? How to get your money out? Using pecunix complicates that for a person new to digital currencies 10 fold. You have misunderstood Gold-Cart Gordon. Each customer only uses the currency he is comfortable with, and never even has to know that Pecunix exists. Merchants who are interested in accepting money are ever willing to find new ways of doing it, and to tell the truth, the stories about Pecunix being too complicated are grossly exaggerated. I don't see how it could ever be more than a money tool for the techies, but I am willing to be proven wrong. Indeed, time will tell... so far it seems like a tool for the masses, the techies are the ones having the problem ;) Regards, Sidd. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: ?
Dear Bob, Thanks for your comments... you must be using a pretty old browser! Bob wrote: At: http://pecunix.com/money.refined...ref.pgpkey -END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK- is normally display on a separate line. In the bowser view it's not. The key should be displaying in a text area form field. All that should be necessary is to click in the form field, then go ctrl-A, ctrl-C to get the key on your clipboard. If you have your hotkeys active in PGP, you should be able to simply click in the field where the key is and go ctrl-shift-D to import the key into PGP. Finally, the keys are up on the server, so if you go to your PGP keys and do a server search for [EMAIL PROTECTED] you should find it. Just another thing to add to your list. Thanks Bob, I think I will add a link where you can click to download the Key as an armoured text file. Regards, Sidd. PS Bug bounty on it's way! --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: Finding serious e-gold investors...
Hi Gordon, I suggest that it work by allowing the software to be installed onto a server and when the company using it needs to dump the currency, they just click send from the admin area and it does what yours does now. Yes, that is an option with gold-cart, but it's easier than that... use your own shopping cart/sign up forms on your server then send only a TXN ID and payment info to gold-cart which converts the currencies at Open2exchange, and confirms the payment with your server... I would not be willing to move our registration process to a third party. The data is much too important and furthermore it completely breakes the unbroken chain of privacy we are respected for having. Of course we are a special case. Yes, of course, that is an issue... note above though that the registration process would still be done by you on your servers, only the payment would be facilitated by gold-cart. The only privacy concern could be that gold-cart would know that e-gold account number xxx paid Katz xx amount on xx date I have a ton of other sites/businesses that could make use of something like this where the protection of the order process would not need to be so high. Yes, it's that ton of businesses that gold-cart is targeted at Gordon... please let them know about it :) If you give it some though Robert, I don't think you would appreciate anyone having your client list for the next year. Would you? There is no client list Gordon, it is simply a list of account numbers paying your account... and as we all know, there is no way to contact those account holders, or even find out who they are. Also I see an oversight in the return email. There is no address field on the form yet it is spitting it out in the email. There are a couple fields like that. Thanks for spotting that, I will look into it... the stories about Pecunix being too complicated are grossly exaggerated. Yes, I see that now. Wonderful news! Regards, Sidd. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: e-mail, Pecunix login (was Gold-Cart Article...)
Hi George, Thanks for your comments/suggestions. FileMatrix wrote: Me either. Email is an insecure medium, If the currency operator informs the users about never including clickable URLs in the emails they send, most users are protected. This would be a good feature in Sidd's system, as he said Pecunix sends emails to users. Good point. Here is an example of how the signed emails could look like: Email content If you would like to verify that we (company X) are the sender of this email, please copy (without the quotes) and paste the link between the following qoutes in the address bar of your Internet browser: ww.checkingservice.com. Please make sure to add a w character before the link. Actually the last sentence is unnecessary, simply leave out the ww. completely. For pecunix, ww.checkingservice.com should, of course, be ww.pecunix.com/money.refined...ref.pgpsignature Hence, the Pecunix link would be pecunix.com/money.refined...ref.pgpsignature Pecunix gives you 3 different access levels to your one account. I guess there are 3 different passwords, one for each level, right? Yes, sort of... see next e-mail in this thread. By the way, on the Downloads page from Pecunix, there is a link to http://winpt.org/. WinPT doesn't exist anymore. Oops, thanks for the pointer... bug bounty in your Pecunix account. they have moved to http://winpt.sourceforge.net/en/ And what's with http://www.siddley.net/? It has no links, not even a contact email address?! Heh, too many e-mails George! We are so busy we can't take on any more work and it gets depressing always sending sorry can't do e-mails to enquirers... The site is purely to inform the curious of who we are and what we do. Regards, Sidd. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: e-mail, Pecunix login (was Gold-Cart Article...)
Hi Viking, Viking Coder wrote: Actually, the ww. is very neccesary. A quick check to your site shows that ww.pecunix.com/money.refined...ref.pgpsignature is an invalid link, and pecunix.com/money.refined...ref.pgpsignature is as valid as it's www. counterpart. The objective was not to create a non-valid link on the e-mail, but to create a non-clickable link... most e-mail clients will not create a clickable link from pecunix.com/money.refined...ref.pgpsignature Regardless, *any* sign of Please click/copy the following link immeadiately in an official-looking email is a serious security breach. Agreed, but of course the Pecunix login is designed to effectively defeat password harvesting e-mails/trojans anyway, so it is slightly less of a concern for Pecunix. Regards, Sidd. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: Finding serious e-gold investors...
Dear Gordon, Katz Global Media wrote: Robert is right, why put up a logo of a currency that supplies no clients and does not help us to protote to their clients? It just takes up valuable real estate with no benefits. No more problems there Gordon, simply use Gold-Cart http://gold-cart.com and your problems are over... easy, cost effective. Most likely you are right. But as i said, where is our incentive and why would we bother? It is in our vested interest as merrchants to have clients focus on one or two DGC/IG and keep things simple for everyone. This is no longer the case... now it is simpler for everyone if you use Gold-Cart. The more currencies that need exchanging, the higher the fees, the lower the profit, while at the same time the administrative work-load increases. Agreed, that is why gold-cart is such an effective solution. You as the merchant only ever deal with one currency. I fear, the only way to change this would be if someone offered DGC DGC automatic exchange interface which merchants could implement into their payment gateways. I think that idea is something lacking in the market. I am not even sure it would be possible... snip It certainly is, and is available to you right now... http://gold-cart.com At the end of the day, we want to make money with a minimum of unneccessary administration tasks. Yes I agree. The formula is: More Money/Less Work and our job is to maximize that formula until it is automatic. You're going to love Gold-cart Gordon! Regards, Sidd. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: Gold-Cart Article... trusting e-gold/delayed payments
Robert, JP, Robert B.Z. wrote: Pecunix is just *too* good to be convenient for heavy users ;o) That's why we have such excellent automation Robert. I guess I am a heavy user of Pecunix but I rarely log in to the web interface... It is all done automatically by my account system backend, transaction history, payments, everything. Robert B.Z. wrote: By the way, how about adding a routine that calls Open2Exchange to convert pecunix into e-gold? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So you could say . it's Sidd's pecunix system combined with Sidd's dgc-dgc system amalgamated directly in to Sidd's pecunix system. Hence, I encourage Sidd to urgently integraate metal-escrow's dgc-dgc system DIRECTLY IN TO pecunix. (The reason I address you specifically Sidd is you're the most can-do IG operator.) Thanks JP... You guys are too fast for me! First Robert asks for Gold-Cart 2 days before I release it, now this... It is in the pipeline, but I have a life too :) (I also read Dowd, excellent). Look for some big changes over the next few months. The next big thing is over at Open2exchange coming in a couple of weeks time... I think you will all love it, and it will help us to deal with the logistics of Robert/JP's idea above. Next year we will see some dramatic enhancements in Pecunix functionality, and of course the escrow facility built into Gold-Cart... also, stay tuned to get into the action, private placement investment in many of these ventures will be offered on PVCSE. Right now I'm off to go and have some weekend time with my family :) See y'all Monday. Regards, Sidd. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: Finding serious e-gold investors...
Dear Jim, James M. Ray wrote: According to the PGP signed document, it was inspected in 2001, it's now 2003! Huh? The document is here http://Pecunix.info/gold_bars.htm and clearly states AF2/ViaMat, Zurich has been sealed under Via Mat blue seal number 0100601, affixed and sealed on 22nd July 2003. The Certificate of deposit is dated 18th August 2003. Heck, how can I trust Via Mat itself (or ANY bullion bank!)? ViaMat is not a bullion bank, it is a secure storage facility. The same comment could go for any storage facility James, even the e-gold one. Reputation clearly is meaningful, as you stated in your previous message. James M. Ray wrote: I also think you discount the importance of personal reputation and integrity. I think it might be possible to fool ME, even if I were flown to the various vaults! I think it might also be possible to fool a real auditor from a large, reputable firm. It might be easy, in fact! Yes, you may be right, but you need to establish an intent to fool these entities. Clearly, by taking on reputable (see above) independent third parties and storage facilities and being willing to communicate, Pecunix shows the opposite intent. No, you've elided the frustrating part. That had to do with your yammering about how the TOTAL failure of Arthur Andersen etc... No, you miss the point... 2 of the 3 independent parties who scrutinise Pecunix are NOT accountants with large reputation (see above) capital at stake. Ok, so does e-gold currently have a trustee or not? Did the existing trustee resign or not? Who is the current trustee? Ask them! I see lots of rumors, but nothing from any actual person, so I have my doubts about the various rumors. I am asking, right now on the OFFICIAL e-gold list Jim. e-gold is deadly-serious, and has been since 1996. That's why it's Better Money. Well Jim, that is your opinion, and certainly you have very good reason to hold that opinion. I think JP May's message on this thread clearly sums up my opinion, and possibly many others. Enough of this, let's just agree to disagree. Regards, Sidd. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] IG by exchangers?
Dear Robert, Robert B.Z. wrote: Which is why so many exchangers are tempted to try their hand at issuing their own IG currency once they reach a certain size - which is why there is so many of IGs - which is why nobody uses them. What a curious comment, which of the IG's was started by an exchanger under these circumstances? Regards, Sidd. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: Finding serious *ecurrency* investors...
Hello Graham, Graham Kelly wrote: Sidd, I agree with you, but your argument doesn't even allow for non gold backed ecurrencies, Sidd wrote: So let's re-word my original statement. IMO Pecunix and Goldmoney are more serious because they have PROOF that they have the gold in a vault... Ah, but the same holds true... if I was interested in non gold-backed currencies (which I am not), I would require to see proof of the value underwriting the currency before I could trust it. It's simple, either the value is proven to be there, or you have a potential OSGold. Regards, Sidd. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: Your perception is YOUR reality, again!
Graham Kelly wrote: In any case, real history has shown that there are fruadulent/crooked admin in both gold based, and non gold based ecurrencies. Yes, that is why it is imperative to have proof of the value underwriting the currency, and that the value is safe from either incompetent or dishonest operators. It's simple isn't it? Sidd. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: Finding serious e-gold investors...
Dear Jim, James M. Ray wrote: Can you prove to me that Via Mat blue seal 0100601 is intact by alleging it on the internet? No, not even ... You can prove it yourself Jim... look up the escrow agent's phone number and phone him... he will tell you. He personally inspected it. If you like you can ask him to contact ViaMat and verify it right now. I also think you discount the importance of personal reputation and integrity. No I don't. I have great respect for Doug, Jay and you. Remember I merely said that I think Pecunix and Goldmoney are more serious about doing things right. Obviously you disagree though your frustration indicates this may be a sore point. Pecunix has at least 2 other independent parties (who aren't accountants) scrutinising the gold store. Each of these Go read the user agreement, there are independent parties involved in the e-gold system, too. Ok, so does e-gold currently have a trustee or not? Did the existing trustee resign or not? Who is the current trustee? As for vague customer service allegations, see Frank's comments. Ok, I don't have access to the e-gold customer service records, I talk from personal experience only. Five Months ago I changed metal-escrow to open2exchange... I have sent 3 messages (with attached image) at suitably polite intervals to e-gold customer service and Randy, requesting my listing on the directory be updated. I think I also sent you one message... to date I have not even had the courtesy of a reply (except from you) and nothing has happened. I am sure I am a very minor customer in the scheme of things, but heck, I am still a customer. The right of association is hardly weak if they use it so often... Yep, that's why I say it is weak. They use it so often and it appears to be mostly ineffectual... hence the need to use it so often. Many good suggestions have been made on this list about how it could very simply be improved... I am sorry to have caused you distress Jim, I simply offered my opinion. I am an e-gold customer, and I earn some of my income because e-gold is there. I would love to see e-gold get better, because it would make life a lot easier. I truly wish there was an e-gold representative who would listen and at least react, if not act. Regards, Sidd. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: Finding serious e-gold investors...
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Our question is this: Where do we find legitimate e-gold investors to get them interested in our deal? e-gold seems to be the ideal system for automated dividend payments, and we're quite sure that someone else has gone down this road before. You may be looking in the wrong place... As you say, the e-gold type investor is frequently of the HYIP type. Serious investors probably lurk in the more serious currencies. Try Pecunix or GoldMoney. http://pvcse.com has been used to raise some serious investment capital, all from Pecunix customers, and is rapidly growing as new offers prepare to be listed. PVCSE will soon accept currencies other than Pecunix as well for account funding. A related question: Where can we advertise our site with our banners? Virtually all of the e-gold related sites we found that offer banner advertisements are HYIP related, but again, we don't think this is the right market for us. PVCSE has a banner advertising program... Regards, Sidd. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: Finding serious e-gold investors...
Dear James, James M. Ray wrote: As you say, the e-gold type investor is frequently of the HYIP type. I disagree. Many people who use e-gold (including investors in such things as DBourse and other projects) eschew HYIP scams. True, a small percentage of e-gold users may eschew HYIP scams, but if we compare the huge size difference between e-gold and the other currencies I mentioned, it would appear that there is a much higher percentage of serious investors in Pecunix, Goldmoney (and 1mdc). This quote from https://www.dbourse.com/faq/ seems pertinent: Which DGC system are people buying shares with? At TGC, e-gold® is by far the most popular gold system. However, Pecunix, GoldMoney, 1mdcGrams and e-gold have been equal in popularity for funding DBourse accounts. Serious investors probably lurk in the more serious currencies. Try Pecunix or GoldMoney. ... Exactly why are they more serious? Thanks for asking... Patrick touched on one point, e-gold seem to have a very lax attitude towards audits and governance, not to mention the serious rumour that they currently have no trustee, which IMO is a major concern. Of course e-gold's lack of any official comment on these major points also gives the impression that they are not really serious about their business or reputation. Both Pecunix and GoldMoney also seem to take more seriously their right of association. They appear to actively deter scams in a (so far) more effective way than e-gold. Consequently they are not plagued by the multitude of scams and HYIP. In my experience e-gold also appear to lack in customer service, whereas Pecunix and Goldmoney are very prompt and attentive. Size is not an excuse for lax service, rather it is a reason for better service. Any company that is not interested in looking after it's customers (revenue) can't be considered a serious contender. Of course this is all merely my opinion, and others opinions may vary... I am sure other comments will be welcomed. Regards, Sidd. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] DBourse is cooking!
DBourse is showing as fair bit of activity today! Latest price is 103.50 grams! There are vast numbers of MCG shares available on http://pvcse.com. If you wish to join in the exciting offer that TGC have made on http://dbourse.com but don't wish to risk over $1300 worth of gold per share, then MCG is the thing. Each MCG share is (exactly) equivalent to 0.5% of a TGC share so you can get into the TGC offer for as little as $7.00. With the rising price of the TGC shares at the moment, MCG shares look to be an excellent bet for the smaller players! Sidd. DBourse market activity: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 00:58 + From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Attn DBourse member: siddley Regarding DBourse:TGC shares: Message: ** One share (#284) has been sold at 103.50 grams This email generated by the DBourse Trading Bot. If you wish to not receive market activity alerts, please email the DBourse service desk. By default all users who have made one or more transactions receive market alerts. SECURITY NOTICE: No email from DBourse will EVER include a URL or styled or html text. Beware of fake email scams. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - DBOURSE Service Desk [EMAIL PROTECTED] - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: Just when you thought it was safe...
Dear Mike, Mike Schneider wrote: What the world needs is a world-wide private-sector 24/7 stock-market exchange which converts currency on-the-fly to e-gold and is not enslaved to government edict or regulatory shenanigans. Anyone out there trying to set one up? Yep, see http://pvcse.com and watch this space for more to come very soon. Regards, Sidd. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] e-gold to e-bullion - FREE
We are currently offering e-gold to e-bullion exchange at no charge on the Open2exchange auto exchange. This is a limited time offer so hurry over! http://open2exchange.com/buy.sell...c2c --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: e-wine, e-land, e-gold, e-gyro, e-opinion
Graham Kelly wrote: However, wouldn't it be more appropriate to ask INTGold customers *their* opinion as well? No, they are as much in the dark as all the OSGold customers were... Until it was too late! Sidd. However, of all these, I trust Gold. So, tell me, Craig, what is your view of INTGold? --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: Free e-gold or Pecunix exchange!
The offer for e-bullion is still running, but will end very soon... Make your free swap from e-bullion to Pecunix or e-gold now before it's too late! http://open2exchange.com/buy.sell...c2c Thanks all who participated in the GoldMoney swap offer, the free swap is now closed and we are back to our normal (very reasonable) rate of 1.5% Sidd wrote: Open2exchange is accepting exchanges from GoldMoney or e-bullion to either e-gold or Pecunix at NO COMMISSION for a limited time. In other words, you can do a straight swap, instantly... http://open2exchange.com/buy.sell...c2c Try it now, before the offer ends! --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Free e-gold or Pecunix exchange!
Open2exchange is accepting exchanges from GoldMoney or e-bullion to either e-gold or Pecunix at NO COMMISSION for a limited time. In other words, you can do a straight swap, instantly... http://open2exchange.com/buy.sell...c2c Try it now, before the offer ends! --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: TGC IPO Now Clear!
Danny Van den Berghe wrote: It appears to me that TGC has done the only thing they could do to save this IPO, by taking away the oversupply of stocks that hung over the market. As I had pointed out, with 150 shares hanging over the market and sales apparently drying up in August, this stock could not go up and was likely to drop when people get inpatient. This is utter nonsense... note that the Pecunix Venture Holdings (PVH) initial offer took 2 YEARS to sell out... we are about to open a second offer that we fully expect will take a year or so to sell out. But I can still categorically state that the PVH offer was a TOTAL SUCCESS! The share price is up +75% since the offer first started! 3 years later we still have a bunch of very happy investors, and PVH has never even posted a dividend... although one is coming soon... http://pvcse.com/ex.change...04 Regards, Sidd. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: TGC IPO Now Clear!
Patrick Chkoreff wrote: The TGC IPO shares are now all sold. The secondary market is wide open now. https://www.dbourse.com/guests/ With the lowest sell offers on dBourse now being 450 and 500 grams, the OBVIOUS place to go if you still want to to get into TGC shares is the PVCSE... 2995 microshares in TGC are still available there for 0.55 grams... that is an equivalent of 110 grams on dBourse! http://pvcse.com/ex.change...04 Click the Market Data menu then view open trades... The Microshares offer http://microshares.com gives you ownership of smaller chunks of TCG shares and pays 95% of the dividend. Sidd. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: Do you trust asianagold.com?
Asiana Gold is completely trustworthy in my experience. Joel Bruce is a great guy. Regards, Sidd. Tien Vo wrote: Hi, Have you ever use asianagold.com to exchange egold to somethign else? How long will they execute your exchanege. Thank in advance. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: Hero of the e-gold list
Craig Spencer wrote: The e-gold list has a new hero: Patrick Chkoreff! For replying to the most egregious and ignorant economic and monetary nonsense with patience that is truely superhuman. Hear hear! Give the man a tip! http://fexl.2cw.org/ Sidd --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: PVCSE listings - http://pvcse.com
Hello Arik, Thanks for your comments. Arik Schenkler wrote: What is PVCSE? do you have a web site? Yes, http://pvcse.com... it is the Private Venture Capital Stock Exchange. We calculate that the costs of preparing the legal structures, business plans, prospectus etc. and research on the viability of the business would cost at least $5000. Arik Schenkler wrote: It is custom that about 10% of funds is for expenses - so this sets a minimum for 50k. Indeed, thanks for the confirmation, that is what we were working on... our system is to charge an up front fee of 5-10k depending on circumstances, and then approx. 5% of the listing value. Thus the minimum moves to $100k or so... as I mentioned later in my message, we are slightly cheaper than the 10% you quote, because we expect minimums in the range of 150-200k. Sounds good. If they have an audited balance sheet - they need to present this as well. Obviously, the success of the listing is entirely dependent on how well the lister can convince potential investors of the value/merit of their shares. Every bit of extra information is helpful. FYI there are further PVCSE discussions taking place on the [EMAIL PROTECTED] list. Regards, Sidd. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: physical tokens
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For physical real money solutions, there is always the American Liberty Dollar ( http://www.norfed.org ) While lacking the 1:1 ratio between snip FWIW you misunderstood my reference to physical tokens. I was not referring to physical money, but a physical token for authentication of transactions e.g. cryptocard, iKey, ATM card, smart card etc. Regards, Sidd. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] PVCSE listings
We have had numerous requests from businesses requesting details on the rules of listing on PVCSE. The predominant feature of these requests is that they are all very small and we are looking for feedback from you about what you all think. For example, one request was for a listing that would raise $20,000, another for $15,000 and others for less than that. There have however been a few that seek upwards of $250,000. We calculate that the costs of preparing the legal structures, business plans, prospectus etc. and research on the viability of the business would cost at least $5000. Obviously, the businesses wishing to raise tiny capital amounts find a setup/listing fee of $5000 to be exorbitant and thus PVCSE appears to be impractical for their purposes. Obviously the returns from such tiny businesses would be limited, thus leaving us wondering what might attract investors to such a small issue. So the questions are; would people be keen to invest in such tiny share offers? What kind of due diligence, documentation would investors be looking for? Do you think it would be practical for PVCSE to facilitate such tiny releases? As a guideline, we at PVCSE are currently recommending that businesses that wish to raise an absolute minimum of $150-200K would probably be viable if they can produce an adequate business plan and prospectus that can demonstrate reasonable risk and returns for investors... All comments will be welcomed. Regards, Sidd. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: The sky is crowded?
Dear Jim: Not really, the kiosk could easily become a password harvester... Jim Davidson wrote: About as easily as any web site. Not really Jim; I access the e-gold site from my personal computer that I keep secure... accessing the e-gold web site from an untrusted kiosk that could be loaded with all kinds of nasty loggers is a different thing altogether... e-gold needs some kind of token system before this can be practical Jim Davidson wrote: Sounds like a business plan. :) Regards, Sidd. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: physical tokens
James M. Ray wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do you mean physical tokens? James M. Ray wrote: Yes, he does. For most users, their computer is the *problem*, although telling them the truth about this isn't very much fun! JMR Thanks Jim, you got there before me... Regards, Sidd. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: INTGold - Why let the facts get in the way of a good story?
I wholeheartedly concur with Jim Davidson on this issue. BEWARE, Graham Kelly continually proves (see list archives) he has no concept of what constitutes a legitimate, secure or trustworthy currency. To accept his opinion on issues such as this is very dangerous. Jim Davidson wrote: INTGold hasn't provided proof of backing. INTGold has faxed some pages indicating that someone, at some point, bought some gold. So what? How is that proof of backing? How do we know the gold was ever actually bought? What due diligence was performed to trace the gold sales to an actual seller? How do we know that gold is still in the possession of INTGold? How do we know that gold isn't encumbered by some other lien? How do we know that amount of gold is equal to the amount of INTgold in circulation? Until all these questions are answered by a trusted third party source and all this information is available to the INTGold users, INTGold must be considered as unsafe and a possible scam. Graham Kelly wrote: As far as INTGold is concerned, GoldNow is succesfully completing many INTGold sales, exchanges redemptions daily. Why not try it and see...? As they did with OSGold. I say again, beware, Graham also actively promoted OSGold on this and other lists... Graham Kelly wrote: the OSGold fiasco was a serious learning opportunity. We learnt manifold lessons... Under the present circumstances, it does not appear that this is true. Sidd. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: INTGold - Why let the facts get in the way
I must add that in the past Jim Ray (the owner of this list) has repeatedly stated that other currencies are welcome to participate in discussions on this list and are on topic. As the CEO of Pecunix, I have always found Jim to be entirely fair and accepting of discussions relating to and involving Pecunix and other gold currencies... even though Pecunix is much better than e-gold ;-) It would be excellent if an INTGold representative would participate on this list. If anyone has contact with them, please feel free to forward this message to them and encourage them to join us. Regards, Sidd. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: Unknown e-gold amount
+0.002227 troy ounces... x 31.1036768 = 0.069267 grams http://dgcsc.org/goldprices.htm 11.3425USD/gram looks like you have USD 0.79 (79 cents) Ragnar wrote: Friends, Can anyone tell me how many dollars this is? Payment Received 21542059 Gold +0.002227 952107 1,333.00 ITL 598,639.46ITL --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Sidd is gone!
Dear list, I am out of the office for a week as I visit sunnier climes, doing both business and pleasure... I will not be monitoring these lists while I am away. Regards, Sidd. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] e-bullion to e-gold SPECIAL!
We are still paying you 1% MORE e-gold for your e-bullion! http://open2exchange.com/buy.sell...c2c Exchanges are INSTANT! Give it a try now You will be RICHER by 1% after you have made the exchange. http://open2exchange.com/buy.sell...c2c http://open2exchange.com/buy.sell...c2c --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] What's up?
Is the e-gold list broken? There is very little traffic and messages I sent this morning have returned DNS errors. Robert seems to be getting through though. Sidd. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Gold Currency Cryptography Part II (re-send)
The Gold Economy wrote: Part II of the article rating digital currencies on their payment interfaces is now posted on The Gold Economy: http://www.goldeconomy.com/ct/t.php?l=12 Hello Ken, Thanks for an excellent summary of the different systems and features... As the pioneer of automation in the gold currencies,and as the designer of the Pecunix system, I have a few comments. aside content=some history Some of you will remember that I was the first person ever (back in 1998) to automate e-gold spends. There was no e-gold automation interface, I designed a clever script that actually spoofed the e-gold forms and logged in to complete the spends as if it were a person. I remember Jim Ray telling me it could not be done and Jay telling me it should not be done . Soon after I did it, JP may did it for thegoldcasino.com. Once automation was a reality the e-gold system started to grow... /aside Your assessment of the e-gold and GoldMoney systems seems accurate, but there are a few places I disagree on the e-bullion and Pecunix assessments. First, e-bullion: You mention The e-Bullion Automated Transaction Interface Program (ATIP) uses PGP/GPG keys to allow users to authenticate themselves to the e-Bullion system This is unfortunately not true. The e-bullion system is absolutely NOT compatible with PGP as it is currently implemented. The keys generated by the e-bullion system are not PGP compatible. Furthermore, you mention the fact that e-bullion generates the keys as an imperfection. This is a massive understatement! The fact that the e-bullion system generates the keys goes against everything that public key cryptography stands for. It reveals a lack of understanding by the designers of the system and leaves the e-bullion system open to insider attacks. There are many other clues in the way the e-bullion GPG is implemented that illustrate that the designers of the system didn't really know what they were doing. You also make mention of the e-bullion documentation. I disagree with your assessment. The e-bullion documentation is poorly presented and until I implemented the e-bullion interface a few weeks ago, contained errors. Compare the Pecunix documentation at http://pecunix.com/money.refined...ref.developer and the merchant tools in the full access level of your Pecunix account. One MAJOR shortcoming in the e-bullion merchant interface (not manifested in any of the other currencies) is that there is no way to ensure verification of a shopping cart payment. If the user does not click through to the merchant site after completing the e-bullion payment, the merchant system is never notified of the payment. All the other systems use a status_url system that notifies the merchant system as soon as the payment is completed, no matter what the customer does. Pecunix: You mention The User has a passphrase as well as two Private Identification Keys (PIK)... There are actually 3. One gives full access to the account, the second gives limited access, allowing payments up to a daily payment limit (set under full access) and no changes to the account details, and the third level gives read only access to the account. This could be useful for a bookkeeper or auditor to have access to account records etc. Pecunix is fully compatible with PGP *and* GPG The Pecunix shopping cart interface is the only one that implements an input hash. This means that the merchant can ensure that the exact amount required is submitted for payment to his account. All the other systems require that the merchant check the amount received is correct, or an attacker could easily submit a payment that verifies correctly but is not the correct amount. Again, thanks for the excellent assessment. Sidd. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Gold Currency Cryptography Part II
The Gold Economy wrote: Part II of the article rating digital currencies on their payment interfaces is now posted on The Gold Economy: http://www.goldeconomy.com/ct/t.php?l=12 Hello Ken, Thanks for an excellent summary of the different systems and features... As the pioneer of automation in the gold currencies,and as the designer of the Pecunix system, I have a few comments. aside content=some history Some of you will remember that I was the first person ever (back in 1998) to automate e-gold spends. There was no e-gold automation interface, I designed a clever script that actually spoofed the e-gold forms and logged in to complete the spends as if it were a person. I remember Jim Ray telling me it could not be done and Jay telling me it should not be done :). Soon after I did it, JP may did it for thegoldcasino.com. Once automation was a reality the e-gold system started to grow... /aside Your assessment of the e-gold and GoldMoney systems seems accurate, but there are a few places I disagree on the e-bullion and Pecunix assessments. First, e-bullion: You mention The e-Bullion Automated Transaction Interface Program (ATIP) uses PGP/GPG keys to allow users to authenticate themselves to the e-Bullion system This is unfortunately not true. The e-bullion system is absolutely NOT compatible with PGP as it is currently implemented. The keys generated by the e-bullion system are not PGP compatible. Furthermore, you mention the fact that e-bullion generates the keys as an imperfection. This is a massive understatement! The fact that the e-bullion system generates the keys goes against everything that public key cryptography stands for. It reveals a lack of understanding by the designers of the system and leaves the e-bullion system open to insider attacks. There are many other clues in the way the e-bullion GPG is implemented that illustrate that the designers of the system didn't really know what they were doing. You also make mention of the e-bullion documentation. I disagree with your assessment. The e-bullion documentation is poorly presented and until I implemented the e-bullion interface a few weeks ago, contained errors. Compare the Pecunix documentation at http://pecunix.com/money.refined...ref.developer and the merchant tools in the full access level of your Pecunix account. One MAJOR shortcoming in the e-bullion merchant interface (not manifested in any of the other currencies) is that there is no way to ensure verification of a shopping cart payment. If the user does not click through to the merchant site after completing the e-bullion payment, the merchant system is never notified of the payment. All the other systems use a status_url system that notifies the merchant system as soon as the payment is completed, no matter what the customer does. Pecunix: You mention The User has a passphrase as well as two Private Identification Keys (PIK)... There are actually 3. One gives full access to the account, the second gives limited access, allowing payments up to a daily payment limit (set under full access) and no changes to the account details, and the third level gives read only access to the account. This could be useful for a bookkeeper or auditor to have access to account records etc. Pecunix is fully compatible with PGP *and* GPG :) The Pecunix shopping cart interface is the only one that implements an input hash. This means that the merchant can ensure that the exact amount required is submitted for payment to his account. All the other systems require that the merchant check the amount received is correct, or an attacker could easily submit a payment that verifies correctly but is not the correct amount. Again, thanks for the excellent assessment. Sidd. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Auto open2exchange supports e-bullion!
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 The world famous, *automatic* gold currency exchange at Open2Exchange now supports: e-bullion e-bullion e-bullion e-bullion e-bullion e-bullion Along with: Pecunix e-gold Pecunix Goldmoney Pecunix e-bullion Pecunix http://open2exchange.com/buy.sell...c2c Enjoy, Sidd. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 8.0.2 iQA/AwUBPxPXh1cW8vuBHn4fEQJp1ACeMniR/FqOM1zFVvVSdDM0vrreIDAAoMXq /ugwZF2JxAQod0hldaXWSfcM =xAQH -END PGP SIGNATURE- --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: Buying / Selling e-gold? Exchange Provider DailyRates.
Excellent Mark, well done! Sidd. Mark wrote: Buying or Selling e-gold? Get the best possible rates on your exchanges. Daily Rates on 40+ popular exchange providers. http://www.gold-pages.net/E-gold_egold_Daily_Exchange_Rates.htm snip --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: A tale of Exchangers, Merchants and Markets
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 : : Sidd wrote: As far as I can see, e-gold spot is some arbitrary figure : that e-gold periodically simply choose, based (perhaps) on the movement of : the international markets : : Am I in the dark here??? Have I completely misunderstood things? The egold : spot is the forex spot for whatever currency you use to buy/sell GOLD! How : can you say it's an arbitrary figure? : George, What is a forex spot for whatever currency you use to buy/sell GOLD? Are you talking about the latest published bid price on the international markets quoted in your chosen currency? If so, whose published info will you believe? http://kitco.com USD 344.90 http://www.thebulliondesk.com/default.asp USD 344.90 http://money.cnn.com/markets/commodities.html 345.50 http://www.goldcentral.com/ USD 345.50, http://www.e-gold.com/currentexchange.html USD 345.20 Like I said, e-gold spot is simply an arbitrary figure that e-gold have chosen at the time, that is somewhat similar to the published market rate. Note the market rate is changing constantly, so unless e-gold has a live feed from all the markets, at best they will have an approximation of current market bid. The whole point being, that if spot is the current market bid rate, and e-gold is gold itself, then it must have the value of gold and should sell at the market bit rate... it is not possible to straddle spot, spot bid is the bottom figure in the straddle. Sidd. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 8.0.2 iQA/AwUBPv5V2r0kC5qj7gUjEQKq0QCgklvLS3mVZHwJr9Z4HhrpD/8zJckAoKsn odjbS5NJaxMdNyCC6D/pEK2q =Y8MU -END PGP SIGNATURE- --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: [e-gold-list]Spot price (was recent discussions)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 This spot price discussion is important: E-gold wish to give their customers the perception that they have real gold in their accounts (gold itself, circulated electronically), but then Omnipay tell you they are not willing to honour that fact, and offer to buy it back from you at less than what they themselves have told you it is worth! Robert says we should buy gold currency at spot, but only be able to sell it at spot -4% (or so), but this means that the currency is no longer worth the spot value, it is worth spot -4%... there is no way to look past this, the value of a thing is set by it's buying power, as John explained. IOW the price paid by the exchange-of-last-resort (in e-gold's case Omnipay) sets the value of the currency, not the published spot price... In e-gold's case, the spot price published by e-gold is a lie, because they do not honour that value. What I see is a gross misunderstanding here (where's JP May when you need him?). Some time ago JP had a rant on this list about spot prices... in short, he insisted there is no spot price... so what is spot price? We have markets, where people buy and sell gold... they offer to buy at a certain price (bid) and offer to sell at another (usually higher) price (ask). So again, where's the spot price? As far as I can see, e-gold spot is some arbitrary figure that e-gold periodically simply choose, based (perhaps) on the movement of the international markets. It really has no meaning whatsoever except that users of the e-gold system agree to accept this spot as the value of the e-gold when they trade. Obviously to set a value on the e-gold currency like this, then not to honour that value simply does not make sense, and is misleading... this whole fiasco really illustrates the confusion at e-gold on some things (note: they also list the gold stored in the e-gold gold xxx trust as an asset of e-gold :-)). In short is seems e-gold arbitrarily choose a value for e-gold, then their own exchanger dishonours that price. It would be far more sensible (and honest) to simply set their spot price at 2% lower, and buy back for spot and charge the spread above that spot price. Goldmoney, do an equally silly thing... they use the rates from Kitco.com... Kitco publish a bid and an ask price (http://dgcsc.org/goldprices.htm) and goldmoney use the bid price as the spot price in their system... Note that the bid price is the buy price, that is the price that kitco will pay for gold, so it is correct to value your goldmoney at this level. BUT then when you try to sell your Goldmoney, they offer you 2% BELOW BID! How silly is that? The whole point is that SPOT IS AN ARBITRARY FIGURE, so to treat it as if it were some finite ordained value and then to base your buy and sell either side of that because that's how everyone does it is just silly. That is NOT how everyone does it, they have a bid and an ask rate, and at any time, the bid rate is the likely rate you will settle at if you sell... that is the true value of the currency and is what should be reflected in the account value. Note Pecunix bases it's price on the bid and it appears that e-bullion also understand this (I wonder why... experience?). Thus we at open2exchange still buy all Pecunix and e-bullion at the quoted Pecunix/e-bullion price, as do e-bullion's in house exchange. In order to help reduce the barriers to entry, Pecunix subsidises the exchangers for all larger purchases and they get their Pecunix at the Pecunix published price (spot). That is why you can still sell your Pecunix at spot and buy it for less than 3% above spot. Ultimately I hope all will see the non-sense in doing things the way e-gold/goldmoney does, and we will again have sanity... Sidd. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 8.0.2 iQA/AwUBPvzC470kC5qj7gUjEQJDjACghnxPzYizi1wI0CM/Qc0xmMY1s2cAoNyF dMIU2FfWtP0ewrG1gXUv6Kkp =qRbW -END PGP SIGNATURE- --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Metal-Escrow Announcement
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Metal-Escrow has made a name change... henceforward we will be known as http://Open2Exchange.com This decision was made because the directors considered the name Metal-Escrow was not appropriate for the business we were performing, and will be used more appropriately soon as an online gold escrow service. Open2exchange is still the same business and the same people, but encompasses a few major enhancements: Support for e-bullion (soon to be automated) Fully Integrated PGP support for absolute privacy Integrated affiliates program And still we offer the old favourites: Automatic instant currency to currency exchange Automatic instant metal to metal exchange Since 2000 Metal-Escrow has offered outstanding service to the members of the gold economy... as Open2Exchange we continue this tradition as we enhance the service, privacy and security we offer our customers. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 8.0.2 iQA/AwUBPvlm3FcW8vuBHn4fEQLVAwCfaw/C2y1aNynkPsDONPSqg1P39a8An1sG 0LLpc36se1TLfVUkvJiAtHtm =dPyH -END PGP SIGNATURE- --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: stock market confusion
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 From: Danny Van den Berghe [EMAIL PROTECTED] : You miss my point. It is nothing to do with absence of regulation here. : Now, TGC is on record that the 400 shares they issue have right to vote. : OK. : What does that mean? Danny, clearly you have misunderstood the voting rights attached to shares. The fact that these shares have voting rights does not mean that you can practically vote if you have one of these shares. Generally, you get votes pro rata the number of shares you own. For example, if you own 51% of the shares, you effectively control the company and can out vote any other shareholder. Likewise if there are 3 shareholders each with 33% shares, it would require 2 shareholders to agree in order to carry the vote. Now look at the TGC offer... The shares on offer are less than 10% of the total shares. Even if you owned them all, your vote would be insignificant. Imagine how much less your vote is worth if you only own a few of these shares! IOW, it is pointless discussing how and when you will be able to vote, and that you need information on which to base your vote... your vote is insignificant. That is not to say that the voting rights on the shares are worthless. Ultimately, all 4000 shares may be sold, and investors will be able to acquire enough shares to actually have a real say in the management of TGC. In the meantime though, your discussion is pointless. Regards, Sidd. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 8.0.2 iQA/AwUBPvobnL0kC5qj7gUjEQJEAgCg8Jxb/q1E1q5gbxt1yABe399gNI8AoLFR qNXpTSxcdF9YN2hz0fJwF9Fm =wWGZ -END PGP SIGNATURE- --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: gold ETF and GDC
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 - - Original Message - From: Danny Van den Berghe [EMAIL PROTECTED] : For me as an e-gold user it doesn't matter what it costs e-gold to store the : gold, what matters to me is how much I have to pay for the storage, which : 1.2% annually. : Compounded over a couple of years this becomes quite significant, as I have : calculated in the other message. : : A DGC which would use this gold ETF as backing, would be able to offer much : lower fees. Danny, Pecunix charges ZERO storage fees, as does 1MDC... you can't go lower than that! Sidd. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 8.0.2 iQA/AwUBPvbtgVPF8g1gRyamEQLQ2ACbBL4dyRPICPx75fADpVG5nbEwAxEAn3hv dPlEQw8XMxx3LiYfB4m97kq4 =iXzK -END PGP SIGNATURE- --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Bamdex -was free storage
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 John wrote: : Someone could set up a futures exchange using e-gold. People could loan : $1000 of e-gold out to the shorts, who would take possession for let's say a : 1 month contract, then at the end of the month the shorts pay back the : e-gold. If the price is up, they lose, if it is down, they win. This could : be automated with software to automatically match buyer/sellers of : contracts, and a central authority would be established, the clearing house, : that would hold the gold to ensure performance of the contract, including : holding the funds for margin calls. John, this has already been done, JP built bamdex.com... nobody used it so he had to close it down :-( Sidd -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 8.0.2 iQA/AwUBPvferVPF8g1gRyamEQJcfQCgh8gzRL6UlhLWwoEu35BwBOTFYTIAn1cp TsV5Mf489QXCbsuyAgAi+M8S =9jRG -END PGP SIGNATURE- --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: gold ETF and GDC
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 - - Original Message - From: Danny Van den Berghe [EMAIL PROTECTED] : I don't mean the ETF will replace the paper currencies. : But somebody can build a DGC with the gold ETF as a backing, and thus avoid : the storage costs that normally come with setting up a gold backed currency. Hello Danny, I think that many people are under the misapprehension that the storage component in a digital currency system is a significant cost. This is simply not the case. The storage costs are miniscule in comparison to other normal operating costs. For example, e-gold currently store 1,702,593.19 grams of gold... the value of this is approximately 19.5 million dollars... storage runs at about 0.5% per annum on stored value (much better rates are available by negotiation)... thus the total storage costs for e-gold for a year are approximately $100,000 (max). To put this into perspective, e-gold stats page shows 40,000 spend's in the past 24 hours... multiply by 365 days to annualise this and we get 14.6 million spends... The total storage cost per spend works out at $0.007 per spend! IOW the cost of storage is entirely insignificant! This is why it is ridiculous (as some have done) to claim that a system that does not charge storage fees (such as Pecunix) has no gold. Obviously, the spend fees can be easily modified to take into account the storage, without the customer even noticing the difference... If you are looking for ways to make IG more economical, the storage component is not the place to look... Security and good governance at dramatically more expensive, and they are the essential part of the equation IMO. The ETF raises some serious questions in this regard. Sidd. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 8.0.2 iQA/AwUBPvYYg70kC5qj7gUjEQKlcACeKx0WbSHb/exvz/mrMrCjZSFPdOAAn2jZ mXgkq2Ar4Xtk3w8iLxbmbQ/Q =E2Y7 -END PGP SIGNATURE- --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: Metal-Escrow and Stephen Stowell
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Ian, : We have just received notification from PayPal that the person claiming to : be Stephen Stowell has attempted to open a PayPal account using our : [EMAIL PROTECTED] address. This may be so, but as I have repeatedly told you, Stephen Stowell has NOTHING to do with this. I could just as easily attempt to go and open a paypal account and give my name as Ian from Privagold... : I have just hung up the phone with PayPal Fraud Dept. they have informed me : that this person may be trying to utilize a 3rd party email service to gain : access to this account. Of course, this is obvious, I constantly get notifications that someone is trying to transfer my domain names, open accounts etc... I simply ignore them. : We do not have a PayPal account nor will we ever. : Sidd - You had mentioned that you thought this might be an unhappy client of : yours and if so I think now would be a great time to share this information. This is not an unhappy client of ours, I already told you what it is... it is a thief who tried to steal money from a bank account in Australia and buy e-gold from us... we contacted the bank and returned the $15000 to it's rightful owner... this thief is now angry. The police have all the details and we are giving them all the info we can get, but of course these thieves hide behind public proxy IPs and similar tricks, so it is very difficult to find them, especially for the largely incompetent police. : At this point the only names I have is Stephen Stowell and that person works : for you so any new light you can shed would be great. Once again, Stephen Stowell has NOTHING to do with this, in fact he does not even know about this! The thief has taken his name from the domain records and is using it. : In addition this person has cancelled a payment the payment that they tried : to send us via your systems at metal-escrow and it seems to me that you : should be able to access this information and let us all know who this : person is. My goodness Ian, you are naive, and you seem unable to read very well! The Payment that was cancelled was a PAYPAL PAYMENT! It has NOTHING to do with me or my systems, I also got that cancellation. ALL metal-escrow exchange services are non-repudiable obviously, because we only implement the automation interfaces of non repudiable currencies, so they CAN'T BE CANCELLED. I can access all the information about any exchange made through metal-escrow... but you already have the info of this person. His name is unknown, he uses Stephen Stowell's name in place of his own, he uses the e-mail address of [EMAIL PROTECTED] (we have sent them an e-mail requesting they close that account) and the IP address he used for the exchange was 198.104.131.196. He made the exchange from e-gold account 311166 to your Pecunix account [EMAIL PROTECTED] and the payment has NOT been reversed, you still have it. So now you have all the info, please tell us who this person is. It seems like you may know this person, because they are obviously intent on involving you in this, and why would they send you a real gold payment? Tell us what you know please. Sidd. PGP Key: http://metal-escrow.com/pgp_key.cfm -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 8.0.2 iQA/AwUBPvYjglPF8g1gRyamEQLUwgCgnymN2Hwj3qDcdBwcO1O2G7tsSvsAoNv4 f3eBR2rsXMIcrC6vXF7jTHER =mbDz -END PGP SIGNATURE- --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: Metal-escrow
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Marco, and all the others who have made positive comments about Metal-escrow, Thank you! I apologise to all of you who have been involved in this nasty attack. We recently had a hand in preventing a rather large fraudulent trade and the thwarted criminals are now having a go at us... this recent attack was intended to damage our good reputation. Ian from Privagold, you should really make sure you understand the headers of an e-mail before you accuse others falsely. You have a business in this industry now, but you are a relative newcomer and it is often best to listen and learn until you know the ropes. No doubt if you are a legitimate business who actively fights fraud you will eventually be the victim of a similar attack. Metal-Escrow is one of the longest established exchanger's in the world (since 2000) with an impeccable reputation... Steven Stowell is a sysadmin for the siddley.net network, as you can easily see from the domain records. He is not employed by metal-escrow and has no access to the metal-escrow systems. As you can see the abusive e-mails were forged to look like they came from Stephen Stowell ([EMAIL PROTECTED]). This is an incredibly easy thing to do. Obviously a cursory glance at the headers of the e-mail show that the message did not originate on the siddley.net/metal-escrow domain. The headers of this e-mail have our legitimate headers :-) Once again, our apologies to anyone who has been inconvenienced (or disgusted) by this attack. Regards, Sidd. My PGP key is here: http://metal-escrow.com/pgp_key.cfm - - Original Message - From: Admin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: e-gold Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2003 5:26 PM Subject: [e-gold-list] Re: Metal-Escrow : Metal Escrow's integrity is not to be questioned, that email is BOGUS, it is : NOT : originated by Metal Escrow: some idiot is targeting several exchangers by : doing this and simlar despicable actions! : : marco : www.paybygold.com : : : : : Well based on the recent emails I have received from Stephen Stowell I : would say he is about 12 and his company is a completely unprofessional. : Now mind you I have never dealt or spoken to this person but received the : following email from them. Thought it was worth sharing. : - Original Message - : From: Stephen Stowell : To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] : Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] : Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 10:15 PM : : Subject: Thou villainous heavy-handed gull-catcher. : : fu** you ! : : : - : This is the edited version : : Others I can share off list if interested. : : Doesn't seem like a very professional company. Plus we have received 9 : reports for them in the last month and 6 were negative 3 neutral. : : PrivaGold : -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 8.0.2 iQA/AwUBPvP82VPF8g1gRyamEQLnEwCfTBax7PrGz9Iy9h8XJWxCDWW5sLcAnj8Y +CoVcsAkagionWL1HSKrLuLJ =tJb7 -END PGP SIGNATURE- subscribe: send blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] unsubscribe: send blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] digest: send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with set [EMAIL PROTECTED] digest=on in the message body --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: pool for a share
Patrick Chkoreff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: : Damn, I gotta fund my Dbourse account again and you have to go through : an actual human at the service desk. I don't dare just spend into the : Dbourse account without giving them a heads-up first. Besides, they : still have to fund my share account manually anyway. Patrick, use Pecunix and give them the heads up in the payment field... they will receive the payment notification e-mail and fund your account... their payment address is: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cheers, Sidd. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: Metal-escrow
- Original Message - From: PrivaGold [EMAIL PROTECTED] : Well another message received - Sidd, thought you might want to see this. : Has anyone else received emails like this? : : *** : Dear [EMAIL PROTECTED], : : You've got cash! : : Stephen Stowell just sent you money with PayPal. : : -- : Payment Details : -- snip Yes, we also received this, even though we don't have a paypal account... if you received this message, and do use paypal, I would suggest you contact paypal and refuse the payment (if any). There is no doubt that the money for the payment comes from stolen credit cards and if you accept the payment you will find your account frozen soon. The moral is Don't Use PayPal! It astounds me how much time these idiot thieves and scammers waste trying to upset the business of the various exchangers they attack! It shows how very stupid they actually are. We stopped this thief from completing a fraudulent transaction and now he wastes immense amounts of his time with this nonsense... Obviously he is too stupid to realise that all the time he spends on this ridiculous attack is time he could be setting up other scams and stealing money... our business is not really affected by this nonsense, and we will certainly not stop preventing theft if we see it, so what can the thief possibly gain from this attack? I guess we should all be glad he is so stupid, as long as he is wasting his time on us, he can't be stealing from the rest of you... Metal-Escrow is happy to provide this service to the gold economy :-) Regards, Sidd. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: Metal-Escrow
: On Friday, June 20, 2003, at 06:10 PM, PrivaGold wrote: : Just curious if anyone knows anything about Metal-Escrow.com? : : Patrick Wrote: : I know that their automated currency exchange ROCKS! : : http://metal-escrow.com/c_c.cfm : You can swap between Pecunix, Goldmoney, and E-gold. : : They also have a metal to metal exchange: : http://metal-escrow.com/m_m.cfm : : This lets you swap between e-gold, e-silver, e-platinum, and : e-palladium. : Yes, thanks Patrick, they do ROCK! Metal-Escrow has the longest running auto exchange on the internet (although it was not the first one). It is THE FAST,RELIABLE, ECONOMICAL AND SECURE WAY TO INTERCHANGE CURRENCIES. We are currently working to add e-bullion to the currencies on offer, and soon after that 1mdc. Metal-Escrow is also about to re-launch with integrated PGP security (another world first)... and other enhancements. We are currently also planning another major innovation to the IG exchange paradigm. This will be finalised after our feasibility studies are completed in a few weeks, and could become reality before the end of the year. The recent dbourse discussions have been interesting... as you may know, Pecunix was funded through the Private Venture Capital Stock Exchange http://pvcse.com beginning over 2 years ago. It was in fact exactly what The Gold Casino are doing now on dbourse, the only difference being that there was no web trading floor, the trades were done manually. Pecunix has been planning a second round of share sales to raise capital for marketing and business development. This is to be done through an online trading floor such as dbourse. Perhaps we will approach dbourse and ask them to list Pecunix grin... The PVCSE platform will also allow funding directly from your Pecunix account... Regards, Sidd. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: DebitGold
From: Gabrielle Leon [EMAIL PROTECTED] Check out the details at www.debitgold.biz - including 'Why We Can't Run With Your Gold'. We have high standards of security and privacy, and guarantee that your gold will remain your gold unless you give it away! From: Cambist.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] It is possible to run with the gold. If Pecunix makes up the reserves, Debitgold could sell the Pecunix it holds in trust for its customers and run. That's probably very unlikely, but it is possible. This is also true for 1mdc. Actually John, it doesn't work like that at all! They do not hold the Pecunix in trust, each debitgold account is in fact a Pecunix account in it's own right. DebitGold is merely a new and independent client to the Pecunix server. This is in fact similar to e-gold/e-dinar arrangement. The debit card looks good. I also found the Pecunix organizational tree helpful; I don't think there is anything like that at the Pecunix site. Yes, the Pecunix organizational tree is a must see in order to get a clear picture of the depth of the Pecunix governance. The original can be found on the Pecunix site in the Pecunix In Depth section here: http://pecunix.com/money.refined...ind.companyStructure Regards, Sidd. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: Pecunix
Dear Mark, Thanks for your comments... - Original Message - From: Mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] : We like Pecunix very much, I have just found these documents: : : http://pecunix.info/Pecunix_pxi.htm You may also find http://pecunix.info/Pecunix_pri.htm to be very useful, this is the shopping cart interface. : I will try to have it integrated by the end of this week. Excellent, if you need any help you may wish to join the Pecunix developers mail list... instructions here http://pecunix.com/money.refined...ref.developer : When will --www.garzoo.com-- be operating? We expect it to be ready to go in August. Regards, Sidd. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: DebitGold
Jim Davidson wrote: : Some comments from Pecunix on this very interesting : service would perhaps be in order. Thanks for the invitation Jim, Debitgold have been working with us for over a year, developing their service... the Founder is Dai Leon, whom many people may have met on these and Bob Hettinga's list over the last few years... Dai has strong ties with the gaming industry and has developed DebitGold to be a customised interface catering directly to the legitimate online gaming industry. Debitgold is an industry first, in that it is an entirely independent entity that has licensed the right to create their own client for the Pecunix system. When you open a DebitGold account, you are in fact opening a Pecunix account through the DebitGold Client... all this is driven by the Pecunix xml-x interface. Thus a number of advantages for DebitGold become apparent: The Pecunix system governs the DebitGold Currency. The Pecunix system ensures the security of the account data. The Pecunix system manages all the transaction and validation. Customers of DebitGold get a number of advantages too: The DebitGold interface is customised to their exact needs, often integrated into the gaming site where possible. DebitGold accounts can pay any other DebitGold account OR any Pecunix account, and vice versa... Peace of mind, knowing the integrity of the currency is managed by Pecunix. Pecunix currently has at least one other business considering opening their currency as a client to the Pecunix system to cater to their niche market, in the same way that Debitgold has done... This will mean that there will be free payments between all 3 of these different currencies... the potential to reach different segments of the market in this way is immense, while still maintaining a universal payment ability. Congratulations on your launch DebitGold. Regards, Sidd. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: INTgold (was:Re: OSstuffing The Fifth)
: I know! Can someone tell the list about this new INTgold thing? : Snowdog and a couple of other helpful people did some research and posted some very interesting web site connections about these guys recently on another list. Perhaps they will be kind enough to repost here? Sidd. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: OSstuffing The Fifth
Robert S.Z. wrote: : I'm not sure what you would do as an exchanger, but if I was an exchanger : and three customers would come to me seeking to buy a new currency for : their e-gold, I'd be getting an account there right away and try to figure : out how to fund it fast enough to get the deals the three clients want to : make. Perhaps you are unaware that I am an exchanger, or is this a rhetorical question? As an exchanger, in the case of a scam currency, it is well known that I refused to exchange it and warned any customers asking about it. I believe other responsible exchangers (like cambist and icegold) did the same... I continue to do the same for other new scam-like currencies. Thus we are not the biggest exchanger in the world, but we are also litigation and bad conscience free. Sidd. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: INTgold (was:Re: OSstuffing The Fifth)
Patrik Isacsson wrote: ...some people has asked me specifically about INT gold - and I would like to know what the name is of this other list you mentioned - and what information was given on that list regarding INT gold. It is a private list, and the people who posted there are also on this list... if they wish to post the info here, I am sure they will. Sidd. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: Who IS this sage? LOL
It never ceases to amaze me how after all these years, Graham still has such a limited understanding of how these internet currencies and ponzi scams work! he says: : The single and only REASON why it [OSGold] failed was CEO Reed : eventually scarpered with the bucks. Can't you see Graham, there were NO BUCKS LEFT to scarper with! The ponzi scam had used up all the money... all the issued OSGold was worthless for a LONG TIME before the fiasco crumbled. The only thing that kept it alive as long as it lasted was because people were not redeeming their OSGold, but were putting it back into the ponzi... as soon as enough people decided to pull their cash out, that was the end. : OSGold, as an ecurrency, was very successful. Nonsense, as an e-currency, OSGold was an absolute disaster. As a payment mechanism to extend the life of the scam it was highly successful. Certainly, for the vast majority of the time that OSGold operated, the currency was probably almost worthless, because there was no substance behind it, the people holding OSGold simply didn't (want to) realise this. : Indeed, what amazes me is that Reed was getting 50c from every spend. : Potentially, he was not only sitting on a gold mine, he actually had a : licence to print serious money! I wonder why he scarpered with only the : few millions he stole? Obviously, he was thinking sort term gains only. Nope, again you demonstrate your lack of understanding of the situation. The money was gone on the payouts to the early winners... then reed saw the wheels were falling off and he ran... I bet he had very little money left to run with. How do you know he got away with a few million? I doubt very much whether you will understand this because I have explained this to you at least twice before. I too share Craig's wonder at your motives, do you really not understand this, or is it merely convenient to pretend? Sidd. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: Graham Kelly thinks fast and dishonest is better (was: Who IS this sage? LOL)
Graham Kelly wrote: : Why not ask the hard : questions, like how in heck did Reed get such a large customer base? Why is this a hard question? The answer is obvious... offer 35% per month returns to stupid gullible people and they will jump at it... then cry like babies when they lose their money. : When you figure out the answer to the : question, Pecunix will be a winner; and not a minute before. Pecunix is already a much more successful winner than OSGold ever was... Furthermore Pecunix will never operate a ponzi scheme in order to increase the customer base Furthermore, Pecunix will actively discourage ponzi's and other criminals from using the system. e-gold started slowly, and is now big and strong... it is infinitely more successful than OSGold Goldmoney started slowly and is growing well... it is infinitely more successful than OSGold e-bullion started slowly and is going well... it is infinitely more successful than OSGold Pecunix started slowly and continues to grow well... it is infinitely more successful than OSGold. Pecunix is already growing MUCH faster than e-gold did in the beginning, this sounds like a winner to me. OSgold started fast and FAILED BrightPay started fast and FAILED Watch INTGold... started fast and there is ample evidence as to the reason for the rapid growth of INTGold. It will be interesting to see how long it lasts. Just because the ponzi(s) aren't called INTOpps doesn't mean they don't exist. Don't you believe in fairy stories Graham, never read the story of the tortoise and the hare? Sidd. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Its all in the charts?!
Hey JP, anyone, Is the IAITC (its all in the charts) newsletter (or was it a subscriber web site)? Can anyone give me info on how to find out more about this. Cheers, Sidd. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: www.repudigold.com
- Original Message - From: Danny Van den Berghe [EMAIL PROTECTED] : : It is much more than just an escrow service. : No it's not. It is simply an automated escrow service. It does exactly the same as any other escrow service. The way you plan to implement it may have some new or automated aspects, that is all. : It would be like saying to the person who built the first automobile: hey, that's a : combustion engine in there, you have not created anything new... No Danny, the first automobiles are all out there and working fine and full featured... all you are doing is trying to design a new model. : There is indeed an escrow account being used to facilitate my reversible spend : system, but my 'car' has also wheels , seats and so on... So do the other escrow services, and they are already working. : The service I am proposing does not exist as a complete package. : If you want to prove me wrong , just ahead and do a reversible microspend into my : e-gold account #102468 Are you saying that I will be able to do a reversible payment into anyone's e-gold account with your system? I thought you were going to use an intermediary account? So far your descriptions do not explain how I can do a reversible spend directly to your e-gold account. I have just spent a reversible payment to you of 1 gram... you must demonstrate a reversible spend directly to the seller's e-gold account within 1 week or I will reverse the spend. The payment is sitting in the trusted intermediary e-gold # account of John Polzer at Electrumor.com who provides an escrow service, and I have proven that you are wrong! It think it is a good idea you have... to build an automated escrow service... I actually had the same idea 2 years ago and bought the domain name metal-escrow.com... it has been operating as an exchange for the last 2 years... I have written the code for most of the escrow system, but have never got around to completing it... I will certainly release my version soon, but you go ahead as well, excellent! Sidd. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: www.e-cadillac.com
Danny, What you are trying to do is build an escrow service... you have not invented anything new. Study some existing escrow services, then design your system... Sidd. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: www.repudigold.com (was: Re: repudiable payment system)
: Would it not be simple to make all repudiable payments go into : a trust account only, or possibly even the users account only but : without the power to exchange to others at all until cleared? : Seems easy enough. Why even make the payment then? The recipient has no access to the funds until the time expires, and the payer can repudiate at any time... Why not use the e-gold system as it is, and send the goods to the buyer, and ask him to pay once he receives the goods... it's the same thing! : It is simply an unworkable system if you think it through... if you start to : allow credit, you must carry that risk... and then you are competing : directly in teh same market as credit cards... you will lose. : : I dont see any need for credit at all. The purchaser/spender : has paid with real e-gold which is either held in trust for 15 days : or totally unspendable until cleared. Much the same way as Credit : Card payments can be held until cleared within many systems. Now you are not talking about repudiable payments, you are talking about a trusted intermediary or escrow system... there are many legal ramifications in acting as a trusted intermediary. It is a viable solution to the problem of trusted payments, but is not repudiable payments. Sidd. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: www.repudigold.com (was: Re: repudiable payment system)
Danny, Your repudigold cannot work without credit... For example, if I charge back a merchant for a credit card payment I have made, the bank takes the money away from the merchant. If the merchant does not have any money in his account at the time, the bank creates a negative balance, and as soon as the merchant receives further payment it goes to paying off the debt. Now with your repudigold, what happens if I am a clever merchant, and I set up my site so that every payment I receive through the sci is immediately paid to another account. Now you as a distressed customer come to charge back and find there are never any funds available. It is simply an unworkable system if you think it through... if you start to allow credit, you must carry that risk... and then you are competing directly in teh same market as credit cards... you will lose. Sidd. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] RE: Account Freeze
I agree, It appears Steve Renner has acted extremely badly... my commiserations to Danny, I wish you the best in getting your pound of flesh. Sidd. : While it is disturbing that it was so easy, what leaps out at me most was : that CashCards clearly made no good-faith gesture to attempt to recover : these funds...snip : I am not interested in doing : business with anyone who handles his affairs in such a manner, and nor : should anyone else be, except others who run to the courts every time they : want something done and don't want to be bothered with effort, the truth, or : common courtesy. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: [e-gold-list] WIN the entire balance of e-gold® account # 500001 FREE!
: You can now view the http://gold-price.net account : balance at the e-gold® web site. : Look for e-gold® account number : : 51 (GOLD PRICE POOL) : http://www.e-gold.com/pub-bal.asp Did you know you can also do this? http://www.e-gold.com/publicbalance.asp?pubid=51 Sidd. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: thoughts on 22 March digest
: I note for the record that : Simon Sidd Davis has an automated exchange at : Metal-Escrow which he seems to preferentially : set to convert his GoldMoney to e-gold. This : rate setting behavior suggests that e-gold may : carry a small premium to GoldMoney. Thanks for the mention Jim... Mostly it is a result of supply and demand pressures... we have frequent large exchanges from GoldMoney to e-gold, and very few small exchanges from e-gold to GoldMoney. The GoldMoney wholesalers will only pay a percent or 2 below spot for GoldMoney so to ensure we don't get overwhelmed with large volumes of low value GoldMoney, that is very difficult to dispose of, we encourage people to exchange their e-gold for GoldMoney, and to not exchange their GoldMoney for e-gold. To illustrate how difficult it is to sell GoldMoney, we recently advertised on this list that we were selling GoldMoney for spot +0.5%. This is an incredibly low price, and as yet we have not had one order for GoldMoney. In comparison, we can easily sell all the e-gold we get at rates of spot +3.75% or more. https://online.kitco.com/sellprice/selling.html http://goldmoney.com/ GoldMoney spot price $10.58 Kitco GoldMoney sell price $10.79 (2% above spot) Kitco GoldMoney buy price $10.39 (1.8% below spot) Regards, Sidd. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: Time to buy Gold : NOW
Patrick wrote: : : If anybody was considering buying Gold, NOW is the : time to do so at low prices And the best place to get cheap gold is at http://metal-escrow.com, where you can buy GoldMoney at ONLY spot plus 0.5% or exchange your e-gold for Goldmoney for free at http://metal-escrow.com/c_c.cfm Regards, Sidd. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] exchange e-gold for Goldmoney - FREE
Dear Goldcurrency users, You can exchange e-gold for Goldmoney at no charge at all! http://metal-escrow.com/c_c.cfm Metal-Escrow is also selling GoldMoney at Spot plus 0.5% until further notice... get yours now! http://metal-escrow.com Regards, Sidd. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: exchange e-gold for Goldmoney - FREE
Hello Matthew, : Does Metal Escrow have any plans to provide e-currency exchange with E-Bullion : as well? If so, what is the timeframe looking to be at this point? : Yes, now that e-bullion has released a secure automation interface, we will add e-bullion to our range of currencies... look again towards the end of this month. regards, Sidd. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: new: quickly accept e-gold payments
: a new shortcut method to accept e-gold payments is available : to e-gold account holders. any e-gold account holder can now : use a link similar to: : : http://100998.e-gold.com : : this example allows e-gold account 100998 to accept 2 centigram : gold payments. Excellent Jay! --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: e-gold audit
From: Bernard von NotHaus [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: e-gold Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, February 16, 2003 11:16 AM : Let me explain. With all due respect to Doug Jackson of : e-gold, James Turk of GoldMoney, Jim and Pam Fayed of e-bullion and Terry : Neal and Sean Trainor of Crowne Gold (whose work I appreciate and friendship : I enjoy), let me point out that The Liberty Dollar is the only value-backed : currency that has been audited from day one. Bernard, This is not correct. Pecunix has also been audited from day one, and not only that, the proof is offered (digitally signed) on our web site. I absolutely agree that the audit process is the single most important factor in gaining credibility for a value backed currency. Regards, Sidd Monetary Architect Pecunix Inc. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] e-gold -- GoldMoney still FREE!
Remember, if you have e-gold and want GoldMoney, exchanges are still INSTANT and FREE at http://metal-escrow.com/c_c.cfm Sidd. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: e-gold audit
: so if e-gold has never had an audit then what is the difference between : them and fiat paper money? : : Gordon : www.katzglobal.com : e-gold claim to have gold backing their currency, and there is some evidence to suggest they do... fiat currency does not make any similar claims. Sidd. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] e-gold to Goldmoney is FREE
Until further notice, exchange from e-gold to GoldMoney is FREE* at http://metal-escrow.com/c_c.cfm So if you have e-gold, and you want GoldMoney, go to http://metal-escrow.com/c_c.cfm and give it a try... Exchanges are INSTANT!! Regards, Sidd. *The relevant DGC spend fees still apply --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: Got this! Please comment... and the DGC-cleansing goes on:-)
--- Andi LeDuc [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: FYI: I am a Swiss citizen, managing a small - confidential in fact - group of investors, having NOTHING to do on the internet. :I think the first one to be taken out will be Marc, the Swiss :guy. ;) :Zuchristian is a distant second. Whoa, I really hope that he has time to post MUCH more info about this before that happens... Zuchristian is the idiot who falsely implicated Pecunix in the OSGold recovery suit. I strongly support these fellows who are going after him, long may they live! I have long suspected that Zuchristian is/was deeply involved in the OSGold scam (hence my resignation from the eCTA right at the beginning) and we also have info on other MM's who were in on the party as well... it will be fun to see how this all pans out for Pecunix. I hope those attorneys have kept their professional indemnity insurance up to date! Sidd. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] RE: e-gold-list digest: January 25, 2003
When was the last time e-gold reserves have been audited by a third party? Francois Michaud Never. Sidd --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Fw: Re: Press Release ..New auction site might take e-gold if demand is there.
: I want to make one thing CRYSTAL CLEAR...we do not SPAM ANYONE, Nonsense! : we hired a : reputable opt in mailing list company, iomegaone.com to do a mailing for : us, obvouisly some people might have forgotten subscribing to one Of : their opt-in list at sometime in the past .. I have never subscribed to any opt-in list, and I never would. I have received 4 spam messages from Bidcow so far. : we do not spam .. I say categorically you do. BIDCOW is a spammer!! : spamming less you find your : butt in court with a defamamation, slander and liable suit shoved squarely : up your butt ...so in short dont accuse someone of something unless you : are : ready to back it up with litigation, I know we will.. Bring it on, let's find out the truth :-) Sidd. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: Press Release ..New auction site might take e-gold if demand is there.
Look what the threat of litigation degenerated to... BIDCOW certainly have classy management! Sidd. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Sidd [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2002 9:07 PM Subject: Re: [e-gold-list] Re: Press Release ..New auction site might take e-gold if demand is there. : Sid plain and simple ...you are a dam liar : : you did not receive any email from us : as i said we hired a company so we emailed noone : : fucking liar, your probably in bed with ebay and are trying to : tarnish my reputation : : : : : : : : I want to make one thing CRYSTAL CLEAR...we do not SPAM : ANYONE, : : Nonsense! : : : we hired a : : reputable opt in mailing list company, iomegaone.com to do a : mailing for : : us, obvouisly some people might have forgotten subscribing : to one Of : : their opt-in list at sometime in the past .. : : I have never subscribed to any opt-in list, and I never would. : I have : received 4 spam messages from Bidcow so far. : : : we do not spam .. : : I say categorically you do. BIDCOW is a spammer!! : : : spamming less you find your : : butt in court with a defamamation, slander and liable suit : shoved squarely : : up your butt ...so in short dont accuse someone of something : unless you : : are : : ready to back it up with litigation, I know we will.. : : Go for it, let's find out the truth :-) : : Sidd. : : : --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: [dgc.chat] software dongle? - free CryptoCard
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Phil Stevens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: : Pecunix uses a random 4 character selection of a 16 character PIK. : Providing you don't continuously log into your account (and eventually give : up the 16 characters), it is considerably safer on foreign PCs. I don't know : if there is an option to re-generate the PIK, but that would be cool. There certainly is, and your account will remind you to update your PIK every 6 months... Pecunix is indeed cool! Charles Evans [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: : I have two 16-character strings for my Pecun¡x account, one for admin : and one for everyday use. They are both written on little bits of : yellow paper and stuck on my monitor, where I can find them easily. I : have tried to memorize both strings, but have found the little bits of : paper to be much more convenient. Indeed Charles, and it is quite safe to do that. Note that the PIK is actually an equivalent (for login purposes) of the e-gold/goldmoney account number which you actually reveal to people who wish to pay you. IOW with non-Pecunix systems, you only have one secret to login with, whereas with Pecunix there are 2 secrets, the PIK and the Password, neither of which you ever need to publish or tell people. If someone caught a glimpse of your PIK it would not be a serious problem, it's unlikely they would remember it ;-) Patrick Chkoreff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Steal the card, and you've stolen the key. : Same thing goes for Pecunix though. Just make sure your account number is : not printed on the card. Exactly correct Patrick. Cheers, Sidd. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 8.0 iQA/AwUBPfRjB70kC5qj7gUjEQKSuACgt/uu2E8eqqUXesD/+4b2bkGRuVgAoP36 jGZIw452xSmzBfPnhrHs5PGK =4p/6 -END PGP SIGNATURE- --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: ahahahahaha !!!!!!!!!
Note that this e-mail did not come from Graham Kelly, but from the disenchanted Delgado himself. Sidd. - Original Message - From: Graham Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: e-gold Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: e-gold Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2002 3:30 PM Subject: [e-gold-list] ahahahahaha ! That is now more than SIX WEEKS that I scammed that Henri Delgado : he is crying about his $2,150 that he sent me, but he can fuck off, I will not pay him ! Better that I use it to go to the brothel ! Goldnow is a well-known business, that is why I can scam from time to time, I know that the idiots who frequently post on that list (Hey Ragnar !) will support me ! Anyway this Delgado can cry, he will NEVER have his e-gold ! Hey folks who read that list: SEND ME YOUR BUCKS eheh ! I need more to pay to fuck the local prostitutes ! Cheers! Graham Kelly CEO GoldNow Corporation http://www.GoldNow.St Primary Customer Service +61 3 9415-7750 US FreeFax +1(800)786-3012 US Voicemail +1(817)238-9955 UK Phone +44(0)7092337612 GoldNow is now taking orders for a no-name debit card, which can be funded by cash, or ecurrency! _ ïÔÐÒÁ×ÌÅÎÏ ÁÎÏÎÉÍÎÏÊ ÐÏÞÔÏ×ÏÊ ÓÌÕÖÂÏÊ www.mafiamail.ru ÐÒÏÅËÔÁ www.mafia.ru Mail has been sent via www.mafiamail.ru anonymous e-mail service at www.mafia.ru _ --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: [dgc.chat] BDO and Vanuatu. Was Re: e-Pyrite? I don't think so
Hello Ian, :Who is BDO? Here you go... http://www.bdo-international.com/ http://bdovanuatu.com/home.html By the way, how did the Vanuatu conference go? Wonderful thanks Ian... we had a turnout of about 40 people from UK, Australia, NZ, Vanuatu, Panama, Canada... It was interesting to get the reaction of the professionals who attended the event. Two firms of accountants in Vanuatu contacted us before the event and asked if they could attend (on behalf of clients who could not be there). They are both accepting Pecunix for their services now, and have taken very positive messages to their clients. All in all things are looking very bright for Pecunix. Best regards, Sidd. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: Pecunix rebuttal
Drew Gardner writes: :At 12:00 AM -0500 11/22/02, e-gold Discussion digest wrote: :These incompetent attorneys have failed to check that :Pecunix.com was registered almost a YEAR EARLIER in June 2000. :This is very simple to verify in 2 seconds by doing a check on :the Domain Records, freely available to every Internet user. : :WHOIS dates are not an accurate indication of very much snip : :Thus you could have bought the name :from someone else in 2002 and it would still show June 2000 as the original :registration date. : snip : :Anyway, not taking sides here, just highlighting a flaw in the above quoted :statement. : There is no flaw in the statement, there is a flaw in your reading. My statement says the domain records would show Pecunix.com was registered almost a YEAR EARLIER in June 2000. I made no mention of the ownership of the name. Sidd. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Public response by Pecunix to Civil Action 02 CV 8993 filed by OSRECOVERY INC
for the investment funds. Delloitte and Touché (Panama) are auditors for this PPO, which initially opened before OSGold even existed, and always had a published end date of 31 October 2002 when the offer was closed. Final audits are currently in progress. Investment capital raised was used for the architecture and development of the Pecunix system. No investor in PVH Inc. has ever had a payout, or earned any dividend. They are simply venture capital shareholders in the company. 133. Upon information and belief, Mr Simon Davis is the Chief Executive Officer of Pecunix... Well tally ho Sherlock; that must have taken some work! 133. Upon information and belief, Defendant Davis has been involved in similar past fraudulent schemes. Similar to what? I am not aware of any other scams similar to OSGold in the past. 134. As the OSGold system began to fold, the activities associated with bringing Pecunix to the market began to gain velocity... [Followed by much verbal garbage through to point number 137]... These negligent attorneys are responsible for publishing extremely damaging allegations about Pecunix, simply because it was launched at about the same time as OSGold collapsed. Even a miniscule amount of research would have shown the REAL REASONS for the timing and progress of Pecunix development. 139. Upon information and belief, Defendant Moore is the Director of Public relations for Pecunix. This is another demonstration of Matus and Mancini's negligent incompetence. The Directors of Panamanian companies are public knowledge. A simple check with the registered agent in Panama would show this allegation to be nonsense. The management of Pecunix has NEVER BEEN A SECRET. 140. ...Reed responded... look in the direction of Pecunix. Upon information and belief, the people behind Pecunix may be the same people that were behind OSGold. Why are the people behind OSGold so difficult to identify yet the people behind Pecunix all openly published? Everything about Pecunix is fully transparent with full audits where necessary. All relevant information is easily accessible by any competent and responsible attorney willing to make a reasonable effort to assess the facts before making damaging and libellous allegations. A simple phone call to the respective resident agents in Panama for OSGold and Pecunix would reveal exactly who the Directors of both companies are. Obviously this has not been done. 141. ...Upon information and belief, Thunderbirth Investing is co-owned by Mr Davis, CEO of Pecunix, and Defendant Reed, co-founder of OSGold and/or co-owner of the Ecurrency Exchange. This is a complete fabrication. It is also interesting to note that these incompetent attorneys obviously don't REALLY believe there is any mysterious and unidentified 'board of directors'. They name Reed as the co-founder/owner of OSGold throughout the Civil Action. 142. Upon information and belief, Pecunix rose out of the ashes of what once was (sic) OSGold and OSOpps... Once again, this is a complete fabrication, based on previous conjecture tha t could easily be verified as false by any competent and diligent attorney. The inclusion of Pecunix in this suit is exceptionally reckless and negligent. Here is a small amount of background on Simon Davis and Pecunix, that is well known and could easily be ascertained with very little effort. Simon D. Davis, a.k.a. Sidd has been an active member in the e-currency, GBIC community since 1998. As a regular participant in many related mailing lists, he has been a strong voice for better governance and strong accountability for GBIC's for many years. From the day OSGold opened, Simon Davis STRONGLY criticised their operation, in public on many occasions. A quick search of the e-gold list at http://talk.e-gold.com/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?visit=e-gold-list will show multiple messages over the last 18 months where Sidd has been very vocal in his disapproval of OSGold. This link has a few relevant messages from soon after OSGold opened http://pvcse.com/e-mail.txt. There are numerous other lists where similar messages can be found. For three years, since long before OSGold existed, Simon Davis has been operating a reputable exchange service for honest gold-based currencies. This service, called Metal-Escrow, NEVER dealt in OSGold and ALWAYS warned anyone who enquired about OSGold that it could not be trusted. For this reason it can be seen that Metal-Escrow, one of the oldest and most well established e-currency exchanges is not listed as a Defendant in this reckless and negligent Civil Action. http://metal-escrow.com/ Simon Davis resigned as one of the founding board members of the eCurrency Trade Association, soon after the eCTA decided to list OSGold on their site. His decision was due to his disagreement with this and other policies of the eCTA. As a long time participant in the Internet gold economy, and as a veteran programmer in this fledgling industry, Simon Davis is exceptionally well qualified to design
