[Elecraft] Software Development Goals
I am consummately pleased with my K3. I am astounded with the raw performance and dazzled with the features. I look forward to remaining stunned with the product as more features are implemented. Considering the breadth of uses the K3 is applied towards by the large diversity of users with widely varying technical expertise and focus, Elecraft succeeds surpassing expectations masterfully. The fact they have incorporated in their development strategy a transparent and responsive forum easily accessible to the unqualified and very well qualified is revolutionary but sometimes reading this reflector is a little like getting my news at the pub. Expectedly, just as in the pub, there is a wide diversity here of informed, misinformed, and those wishing to be informed but there is often too much conflicting misinformation containing personal views of second hand facts obscuring the successes with unfounded doubts which raise spurious issues. One recurring theme concerns the perception of software failures and as yet unimplemented features. Frequently, operational flexibility or designer prerogative is misconstrued as a failure or a bug and unimplemented features thus far have a history of being implemented. Earlier technology adopters have little problem sorting through these issues. They are usually the folks in the pub smiling and enjoying a pint before returning to the shack and playing radio. Latter technology adopters tend to be the animated somewhat noisy nervous crew spilling their ale and prone to moan at every retelling of the latest disasterous development. When walking by the pub many folks, usually the last adopters, write off the whole pub as too unstable to consider viable. All of us could benefit from the simple facts from the source. An Official List both of features to be enabled and recognized bugs might go a long way towards reducing the spurious responses and allaying the fear of features yet to be enabled. Such a list likely already exists among the developers. Or did I miss finding it? I love a good pint and a smile but sometimes I am the last to know. Jim Benson NS5U/1 My K3 Mojo is working My two cents and worth just what you paid for it. -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Software-Development-Goals-tp783477p783477.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Utility RS-232 ComPort4
If anyone else is interested in this EasySync LTD is a company that makes a lot of different single and multi port USB to RS232/UART adapters. Many of them also support other protocols like RS485 and what not. Anyway EasySync LTD is a sister company of FTDI (the company that makes some of the best UART to USB ICs). They also are very free and open in their support of operating systems. I believe they are the only one that is actually certified to run on 2008 server at the moment. That tells you how progressive and proactive they are with their drivers. Anyway if there was ever a company dedicated to putting out the best in USB to RS232 devices these are the guys and their stuff is quite reasonably priced for what it is. I really like their industrial adapters as they are shielded and built like tanks. http://www.easysync.co.uk/ They are based out of the UK but they have a US office in Portland Oregon. I'm not affiliated with them in any way other than the fact that they are just up the road from me a ways and they are a company that we've been looking into using their devices in our products. I'm nothing more than a customer to them. On Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 8:32 PM, Tom Childers, N5GE [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 25 Aug 2008 17:31:48 -0700, Dave W7DPW [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just now have gotten around to downloading the K3 Utility and have it installed on my 98SE machine. I have a USB to RS-232 converter on it shows in my system menu as COM4 but it will not appear in the selection menu of the K3 Utility. Only COM1, COM2, COM5, and COM6 appear on the K3 Utility PullDown Menu and they are used for other applications. I know COM4 works as I use it with WriteLog and that application will communicate with the K3 without problems. I have the K3 RS-232 set to 9600... Any suggestions ? My K3 s/n 1299. FWV 2.21 Dave W7DPW [snip] I got tired of having to rename all of the RS232/USB adapters when the machine was shut down and bought board that has 8 serial ports on cables. Very easy to install and now no changing port numbers when the machine is shut down. Tom, N5GE - SWOT 3537 - Grid EM12jq Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety deserve neither Liberty nor Safety An excerpt from a letter written in 1755 from the Assembly to the Governor of Pennsylvania. Support the entire Constitution, not just the parts you like. http://www.n5ge.com http://www.eQSL.cc/Member.cfm?N5GE ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Software Development Goals
NS5U/1 Jim Benson wrote: An Official List both of features to be enabled and recognized bugs might go a long way towards reducing the spurious responses and allaying the fear of features yet to be enabled. Such a list likely already exists among the developers. Jim, I don't think you'll ever stop hams from airing their opinions, informed or otherwise. :) While I have sometimes thought that something like an online bug tracker, as used by a lot of open source software projects (an example: http://bugs.freepascal.org/) would be a nice thing to have, a way for people to report issues they have found or make suggestions for enhancements and then track the progress being made, I suspect that implementing this and then maintaining it would be a lot of work for what is after all a very small development team, time that might be better spent writing and testing code. We're getting there, most people are happy now, but the nature of ham radio is that users have widely different priorities, and some will always find something to grumble about. - Julian, G4ILO. K2 #392 K3 #222. http://www.g4ilo.com/ G4ILO's Shack http://www.ham-directory.com/ Ham Directoryhttp://www.g4ilo.com/kcomm.html KComm for Elecraft K2 and K3 -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Software-Development-Goals-tp783477p783669.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] K3: shipping status updated
For those still waiting or tracking http://www.elecraft.com/elecraft_shipping_status.htm Through Friday, Sept 5th, we will be shipping K3 orders received through May 16th, 2008. Newly received K3 orders are now targeted for delivery 3.7 months after order date. de Doug KR2Q PS...gotta love the point 7 months I assume that is +/- 0.05 months :-) ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3: shipping status updated
At 06:50 AM 08/26/08, DOUGLAS ZWIEBEL wrote: For those still waiting or tracking PS...gotta love the point 7 months I assume that is +/- 0.05 months Is that based on West Coast time, or UTC? ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3: shipping status updated
3.7 months after order date. That would be roughly about 9730260 seconds or one period of c. 102.772 nHz or ... ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
RE: [Elecraft] K3 Utility RS-232 ComPort4
From the registry? What about in Windows XP? The serial object that is fairly new in XP (part of SP2 I believe) has a method you can call to get a list of ports. Does this object method simply do the same RegKey lookup that the K3 Utility is doing? I'm thinking the registry is on it's way out but I suppose for backward compatibility reasons, you'd need to stick with it for a while, ea? - Keith N1AS - - K3 711 - -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dick Dievendorff Sent: Monday, August 25, 2008 10:39 PM To: 'Dave W7DPW'; 'k3' Subject: RE: [Elecraft] K3 Utility RS-232 ComPort4 The K3 Utility gets its inventory of COM ports from the registry. See HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\HARDWARE\DEVICEMAP\SERIALCOMM When a serial port device driver installs a COM device, it's supposed to make this registry entry. That's what we're looking for. Dick, K6KR -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave W7DPW Sent: Monday, August 25, 2008 5:32 PM To: k3 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Utility RS-232 ComPort4 I just now have gotten around to downloading the K3 Utility and have it installed on my 98SE machine. I have a USB to RS-232 converter on it shows in my system menu as COM4 but it will not appear in the selection menu of the K3 Utility. Only COM1, COM2, COM5, and COM6 appear on the K3 Utility PullDown Menu and they are used for other applications. I know COM4 works as I use it with WriteLog and that application will communicate with the K3 without problems. I have the K3 RS-232 set to 9600... Any suggestions ? My K3 s/n 1299. FWV 2.21 Dave W7DPW David J Drew -- W7DPW Over 50 Years with Same Call Amateur Extra Since 1970 Continuous ARRL Member Since October 1957 ARRL Life Member October 1969 Vancouver, Washington 98664-4445 ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
RE: [Elecraft] K3 Utility RS-232 ComPort4
This is the same technique the .Net framework uses to inventory COM ports. It works fine in Windows 98 SE, Windows XP, Windows 2000, Windows 2003, and Windows Vista. It does require COM device drivers to advertise themselves appropriately. Windows does this for real serial ports. The Prolific device driver installer does this for the KUSB and other Prolific chipset adapters. The Keyspan device driver does this. The Radio Shack USB to Serial Adapter does this. Perhaps some USB to Serial Adapter device driver installers don't do a complete install. That appears to be the case here. Elecraft wishes to support as broad a range of Windows versions as is practical. Currently that is Windows 98 SE and above. There are a fair number of Windows 98 SE shack computers out there. I don't have any code in the K3 Utility that says if it's Windows version x, then do this, otherwise do that. Instead, I use methods that are common to all of these OS levels. Requiring Windows XP SP2 or above is a non-starter. We just can't do that. Dick, K6KR -Original Message- From: Darwin, Keith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 5:14 AM To: Dick Dievendorff; Dave W7DPW; k3 Subject: RE: [Elecraft] K3 Utility RS-232 ComPort4 From the registry? What about in Windows XP? The serial object that is fairly new in XP (part of SP2 I believe) has a method you can call to get a list of ports. Does this object method simply do the same RegKey lookup that the K3 Utility is doing? I'm thinking the registry is on it's way out but I suppose for backward compatibility reasons, you'd need to stick with it for a while, ea? - Keith N1AS - - K3 711 - -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dick Dievendorff Sent: Monday, August 25, 2008 10:39 PM To: 'Dave W7DPW'; 'k3' Subject: RE: [Elecraft] K3 Utility RS-232 ComPort4 The K3 Utility gets its inventory of COM ports from the registry. See HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\HARDWARE\DEVICEMAP\SERIALCOMM When a serial port device driver installs a COM device, it's supposed to make this registry entry. That's what we're looking for. Dick, K6KR -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave W7DPW Sent: Monday, August 25, 2008 5:32 PM To: k3 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Utility RS-232 ComPort4 I just now have gotten around to downloading the K3 Utility and have it installed on my 98SE machine. I have a USB to RS-232 converter on it shows in my system menu as COM4 but it will not appear in the selection menu of the K3 Utility. Only COM1, COM2, COM5, and COM6 appear on the K3 Utility PullDown Menu and they are used for other applications. I know COM4 works as I use it with WriteLog and that application will communicate with the K3 without problems. I have the K3 RS-232 set to 9600... Any suggestions ? My K3 s/n 1299. FWV 2.21 Dave W7DPW David J Drew -- W7DPW Over 50 Years with Same Call Amateur Extra Since 1970 Continuous ARRL Member Since October 1957 ARRL Life Member October 1969 Vancouver, Washington 98664-4445 ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
RE: [Elecraft] WTB - Kent single lever paddle
I have a single lever Kent paddle. I bought it when I had a microHam CW Keyer attached to an IC-706. That keyer had an option to select a single lever paddle mode. I believe it was the Ultimatic option. It worked well and I preferred it over my Bencher paddle used in mode A. The keyer would also monitor your keying and you could see how well you were sending. It was great. I am now using the same Kent key on the K3. Things are not quite right. When I use the TEXT DECODE function I see that letters like C often come out as NN! It is as if the K3 keyer is expecting the dot after a dash to be keyed during the dash down time (or so close after that the timing becomes to critical). AS IF SQUEEZE mode was still possible. The end result is that instead of using the large muscle slap style that makes the single lever paddle so easy you must use the tiny finger movements of an iambic paddle with the same kind of light touch and small movements in order to get the inter character spacing correct! I was glad to see comments reflecting this problem in the responses to this thread. I hope that firmware will correct this soon. Right now I am getting better with my straight key than I am with my Kent paddle! Referring to the comments by Don W3FPR, yes you can use an iambic paddle as a single lever paddle by choosing Ultimatic mode but you also can just not squeeze. The difference for me was that the single lever Kent paddle has a different feel. Even using my Bencher in Ultimatic mode or just NOT squeezing I still made mistakes because of the small muscle precision required. With the Kent paddle, the spacing can be opened up and the tension increased and this combined with the fact that you can use your arm/shoulder (i.e. large) muscles to do the work rather that the tip of your fingers and thumbs and wrist (i.e. small muscles)to key. BTW, the very high speed cw ops use single lever paddles because the tiny movements of iambic keyers cannot be controlled well at high speeds. Last, but not least, the Kent paddle is heavy and stays put and looks good. If I had the money I might bought a Bengali single lever paddle but I got the Kent by making an offer lower than the buy it now price on an eBay auction that was accepted Jack AE6GC KX1 1403, K3 1433. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Don Wilhelm Sent: Monday, August 25, 2008 7:44 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] WTB - Kent single lever paddle Ralph, I do not have a single lever paddle for sale, but I suffer from similar problems. If you cannot find a decent single lever paddle at a price your ham budget can afford (the Bengali is outside my price range), I suggest that you try one of the K1EL keyers in Ultimatic mode - it works for me - it makes a standard paddle respond almost like a single lever paddle, press the dash and it gives dashes, press the dot and out comes a dit - it just feels right to my brain. I have been asking periodically that the Elecraft built-in keyers support Ultimatic mode for folks like us, but so far, it has been low on the priority list (but is not being ignored). 73, Don W3FPR ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
RE: [Elecraft] K3 Utility RS-232 ComPort4
http://www.easysync.co.uk/ They are based out of the UK but they have a US office in Portland Oregon. I'm not affiliated with them in any way other than the fact that they are just up the road from me a ways and they are a company that we've been looking into using their devices in our products. I'm nothing more than a customer to them. The same adapters shown by easysync are available from ByteRunner: http://www.byterunner.com/byterunner/new_frontpage=usbserialadapters and have been for several years. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brett Howard Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 4:57 AM Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Utility RS-232 ComPort4 If anyone else is interested in this EasySync LTD is a company that makes a lot of different single and multi port USB to RS232/UART adapters. Many of them also support other protocols like RS485 and what not. Anyway EasySync LTD is a sister company of FTDI (the company that makes some of the best UART to USB ICs). They also are very free and open in their support of operating systems. I believe they are the only one that is actually certified to run on 2008 server at the moment. That tells you how progressive and proactive they are with their drivers. Anyway if there was ever a company dedicated to putting out the best in USB to RS232 devices these are the guys and their stuff is quite reasonably priced for what it is. I really like their industrial adapters as they are shielded and built like tanks. http://www.easysync.co.uk/ They are based out of the UK but they have a US office in Portland Oregon. I'm not affiliated with them in any way other than the fact that they are just up the road from me a ways and they are a company that we've been looking into using their devices in our products. I'm nothing more than a customer to them. On Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 8:32 PM, Tom Childers, N5GE [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 25 Aug 2008 17:31:48 -0700, Dave W7DPW [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just now have gotten around to downloading the K3 Utility and have it installed on my 98SE machine. I have a USB to RS-232 converter on it shows in my system menu as COM4 but it will not appear in the selection menu of the K3 Utility. Only COM1, COM2, COM5, and COM6 appear on the K3 Utility PullDown Menu and they are used for other applications. I know COM4 works as I use it with WriteLog and that application will communicate with the K3 without problems. I have the K3 RS-232 set to 9600... Any suggestions ? My K3 s/n 1299. FWV 2.21 Dave W7DPW [snip] I got tired of having to rename all of the RS232/USB adapters when the machine was shut down and bought board that has 8 serial ports on cables. Very easy to install and now no changing port numbers when the machine is shut down. Tom, N5GE - SWOT 3537 - Grid EM12jq Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety deserve neither Liberty nor Safety An excerpt from a letter written in 1755 from the Assembly to the Governor of Pennsylvania. Support the entire Constitution, not just the parts you like. http://www.n5ge.com http://www.eQSL.cc/Member.cfm?N5GE ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 competition from Icom?
Hi All: One last thing about the new Icom, if you want a 50 lb rig that runs on 85-250 volts...Not a bad purchase. But I would be stuck with the 60 lb generator and lots of gas on field day not just a battery. 73's Bob Paull KK6UE K3 681 --- On Mon, 8/25/08, David Wilburn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: David Wilburn [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 competition from Icom? To: Elecraft Discussion List elecraft@mailman.qth.net Date: Monday, August 25, 2008, 5:16 PM Good point. I am often amazed with concerns about birdies. I have several networks, and multiple computers and other equipment within feet of the K3. I have birdies all over the place. But none of them have gotten in the way when I was operating. But fully understand many do not have any of this in the shack. David Wilburn K4DGW www.k4dgw.com www.k4rc.net Williamsburg Area Amateur Radio Club (K4RC) My Current LOTW/DXCC/WAS status www.k4dgw.com/WAS.DXCC.info.html Brett Howard wrote: But with what we have (an RS232 port) and nicely isolated line level in/outs you can have all of that capability and you don't have all of that noise generating equipment inside the box with your sub microvolt sensitive receiver. Its not a LOT better but its definitely the way I prefer it On Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 2:02 PM, Julian, G4ILO [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ken N9VV-2 wrote: Hi David, it looks like you can even find SERIAL --- Ethernet adapters http://www.industrialethernet.com/net232-dte.html de Ken N9VV If I was asked to vote for an alternative interface I'd vote for Ethernet. But in that case I'd also like to have streaming audio in and out of it. Being able to remote control a radio is not a lot of use unless you can get audio in and out as well, and if you need a computer to handle that then you might as well use it also to handle the CAT commands. - Julian, G4ILO. K2 #392 K3 #222. http://www.g4ilo.com/ G4ILO's Shack http://www.ham-directory.com/ Ham Directoryhttp://www.g4ilo.com/kcomm.html KComm for Elecraft K2 and K3 -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/K3-competition-from-Icom--tp781209p782470.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Software Development Goals
I am consummately pleased with my K3. I am astounded with the raw performance and dazzled with the features. So am I. The K3 is the first radio I have ever bought without some silly engineering shortfall. The only things I see people complaining about are specialized personal use or application issues. It's impossible without years of field refinement to get on the very top of the curve, but they are already close and respond fast. surpassing expectations masterfully. The fact they have incorporated in their development strategy a transparent and responsive forum easily accessible to the unqualified and very well qualified is revolutionary I've been involved with other groups and it is often to get them to even consider major issues. It's so frustrating I vowed to never again work with a radio manufacturer. For example one manufacturer had an amplifier keying issue. The radio spit out RF before it told the amplifier to turn on. I knew it was happening because my homebrew amp has a hot-switch sensor that prevents keying (relay transfer) while RF is present, and I looked at it on a scope and could see the issue. It took almost a week of actual work to get them to look at the problem. The engineer responsible kept saying he checked it and it was fine, but it turned out he never did check. When they finally checked they fixed it, but historically everything they did worked that way. It worked that way with ALC issues that caused keyclicks, and it worked that way with a dozen other bugs some of which never were resolved. All three major Japanese manufacturers are out of touch the same way. It actually takes decades to address some very simple problems. Thankfully Elecraft has chosen a different approach. and as yet unimplemented features. Frequently, operational flexibility or designer prerogative is misconstrued as a failure or a bug and unimplemented features thus far have a history of being implemented. That's the problem I see. While there are shortfalls in specialized areas, it is always an application specific and design critical area like a noise blanker or IF port use. What works well in one case might hurt other uses so they have to find a compromise, and that takes time. They have to learn all the different field applications, it can't really be planned because planning would take so much time the first radio would never leave the assembly line. 73 Tom . ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] WTB - Kent single lever paddle
I think I'd like to see Ultimatic mode too, I'm thinking I'll have to learn Iambic though, because most rigs don't support Ultimatic. But Ultimatic does sound like the easier and frankly, more logical mode. Maybe I'll have to borrow a friends keyer to give it a try. 73 de M0XDF, K3 #174 -- Sometimes I think we're alone in the universe, and sometimes I think we're not. In either case, the idea is quite staggering. -Arthur C Clarke, science fiction writer (1917- ) On 26 Aug 2008, at 03:44, Don Wilhelm wrote: Ralph, I do not have a single lever paddle for sale, but I suffer from similar problems. If you cannot find a decent single lever paddle at a price your ham budget can afford (the Bengali is outside my price range), I suggest that you try one of the K1EL keyers in Ultimatic mode - it works for me - it makes a standard paddle respond almost like a single lever paddle, press the dash and it gives dashes, press the dot and out comes a dit - it just feels right to my brain. I have been asking periodically that the Elecraft built-in keyers support Ultimatic mode for folks like us, but so far, it has been low on the priority list (but is not being ignored). ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
RE: [Elecraft] WTB - Kent single lever paddle
A lot of people talk about how difficult squeeze keying is to learn. I sure don't want to lessen their position, but I confess I find it baffling. To me squeeze keying is very natural and intuitive. I went from a straight key to a keyer years ago without learning a bug or cootie key. Maybe that had something to do with it. I learned iambic squeeze keying when I was doing CW at 8 wpm. Maybe that had something to do with it. Many years later I learned to use a bug (lot's of fun BTW). It did take me a while, but that had more to do with learning to form dashes manually. Learning to not squeeze was the easy part. I guess after years (decades) of buggin', many ops find it hard to retrain the muscles and brain to send CW with a slightly different pattern. I'm interested in a single lever paddle so I can use it as a cootie (my next mountain to conquer). 73! - Keith N1AS - - K3 711 - -Original Message- From: David Ferrington, M0XDF I think I'd like to see Ultimatic mode too, I'm thinking I'll have to learn Iambic though, because most rigs don't support Ultimatic. But Ultimatic does sound like the easier and frankly, more logical mode. Maybe I'll have to borrow a friends keyer to give it a try. 73 de M0XDF, K3 #174 ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] RS-232 and USB with Elecraft.
Joe Planisky wrote: Being the not-so-proud owner of several pieces of once expensive but now useless junk, I'm somewhat sensitive to future issues that might prevent me from using hardware I purchased. In other words, the DON'T upgrade or else mentality. With the K3, the only potential weak link I see is the K3UpdateUtility. Will it still run on Windows 2018, Mac OS XII 12.2, or Ubuntu Zesty Zebra? If I find a Brand new in box K3 SN 2000 on eBay 10 years from now, will I be able to load firmware version 2.32 on it? I totally understand that manufacturers can't support their devices forever across all possible platforms. But I'd feel better about my purchase if there was a public spec that detailed how to upload firmware files. Next best thing would be if source code to the K3 Update Utility(s) were available. If (and I mean *IF*) Elecraft is still updating the K3 firmware in 2018 then I guess there will be an updated update utility. If not then barring your scenario of finding a never-updated K3 on eBay, I doubt if there'd be much need for it. I do agree though that making the source code available or publishing a spec would be a no-cost way to secure user concerns about obsolescence. I recently wrote to the developers of the RigExpert AA-200 antenna analyzer asking for information about the communications protocol for that. No response. The device comes with software for Windows only (and it doesn't run under Wine, either.) I would like to safeguard my investment in it, but without their help I guess I'm going to have to try to figure it out for myself. Anyone know of a bit of software that will print out a trace of everything that's sent and received through a COM port? (It might also help me find out why Fldigi RigCAT support doesn't work reliably with the K3 under Windows.) - Julian, G4ILO. K2 #392 K3 #222. http://www.g4ilo.com/ G4ILO's Shack http://www.ham-directory.com/ Ham Directoryhttp://www.g4ilo.com/kcomm.html KComm for Elecraft K2 and K3 -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/K3-competition-from-Icom--tp781209p784194.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] RS-232 and USB with Elecraft.
Portmon or write it yourself - it's quite easy :-) http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/bb896644.aspx Simon Brown, HB9DRV www.ham-radio-deluxe.com - Original Message - From: Julian, G4ILO [EMAIL PROTECTED] Anyone know of a bit of software that will print out a trace of everything that's sent and received through a COM port? ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Utility RS-232 ComPort4
Hi Dave: I tried COM1 and it works okay. COM4 works with K3 nd several other programs okay including WL and MMTTY, N1MM, N3FJP but not K3 Utility at this time. COM4 shows up in device manager but not in K3 Utility PullDown Menu, Doesn't even get to the driver situation.. Try having Utility check for available COM ports. I'm using COM1 and COM4 on my WinXP Laptop with no problems at all. COM1 is a 'real' serial port, while COM4 is a USBserial adapter which declared itself COM4. This MAY be the reason COM4 works... not certain though. 73, Tom Hammond N0SS ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] WTB - Kent single lever paddle
Hello, Question about the Vibroplex key, the Vibrokeyer. Is it a sideswiper, or does it have automatic dots completion like the original model? Best, DW Holtman WB7SSN - Original Message - From: David Ferrington, M0XDF [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 7:51 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] WTB - Kent single lever paddle I think I'd like to see Ultimatic mode too, I'm thinking I'll have to learn Iambic though, because most rigs don't support Ultimatic. But Ultimatic does sound like the easier and frankly, more logical mode. Maybe I'll have to borrow a friends keyer to give it a try. 73 de M0XDF, K3 #174 -- Sometimes I think we're alone in the universe, and sometimes I think we're not. In either case, the idea is quite staggering. -Arthur C Clarke, science fiction writer (1917- ) On 26 Aug 2008, at 03:44, Don Wilhelm wrote: Ralph, I do not have a single lever paddle for sale, but I suffer from similar problems. If you cannot find a decent single lever paddle at a price your ham budget can afford (the Bengali is outside my price range), I suggest that you try one of the K1EL keyers in Ultimatic mode - it works for me - it makes a standard paddle respond almost like a single lever paddle, press the dash and it gives dashes, press the dot and out comes a dit - it just feels right to my brain. I have been asking periodically that the Elecraft built-in keyers support Ultimatic mode for folks like us, but so far, it has been low on the priority list (but is not being ignored). ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 competition from Icom?
oops, sorry about that I was looking at the 7700...I guess they have not posted it yet...thanks all for the heads up...as he crawls back into his cave only to resurface later when the lights are down. Thanks Bob Paull KK6UE k3 681 --- On Tue, 8/26/08, S Sacco [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: S Sacco [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 competition from Icom? To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tuesday, August 26, 2008, 7:05 AM Ummm.Bob? You may want to take another look at the specs on the IC-7600, and revise your statement. 73, Steve NN4X On 8/26/08, Robert Paull [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All: One last thing about the new Icom, if you want a 50 lb rig that runs on 85-250 volts...Not a bad purchase. But I would be stuck with the 60 lb generator and lots of gas on field day not just a battery. 73's Bob Paull KK6UE K3 681 --- On Mon, 8/25/08, David Wilburn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: David Wilburn [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 competition from Icom? To: Elecraft Discussion List elecraft@mailman.qth.net Date: Monday, August 25, 2008, 5:16 PM Good point. I am often amazed with concerns about birdies. I have several networks, and multiple computers and other equipment within feet of the K3. I have birdies all over the place. But none of them have gotten in the way when I was operating. But fully understand many do not have any of this in the shack. David Wilburn K4DGW www.k4dgw.com www.k4rc.net Williamsburg Area Amateur Radio Club (K4RC) My Current LOTW/DXCC/WAS status www.k4dgw.com/WAS.DXCC.info.html Brett Howard wrote: But with what we have (an RS232 port) and nicely isolated line level in/outs you can have all of that capability and you don't have all of that noise generating equipment inside the box with your sub microvolt sensitive receiver. Its not a LOT better but its definitely the way I prefer it On Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 2:02 PM, Julian, G4ILO [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ken N9VV-2 wrote: Hi David, it looks like you can even find SERIAL --- Ethernet adapters http://www.industrialethernet.com/net232-dte.html de Ken N9VV If I was asked to vote for an alternative interface I'd vote for Ethernet. But in that case I'd also like to have streaming audio in and out of it. Being able to remote control a radio is not a lot of use unless you can get audio in and out as well, and if you need a computer to handle that then you might as well use it also to handle the CAT commands. - Julian, G4ILO. K2 #392 K3 #222. http://www.g4ilo.com/ G4ILO's Shack http://www.ham-directory.com/ Ham Directory http://www.g4ilo.com/kcomm.html KComm for Elecraft K2 and K3 -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/K3-competition-from-Icom--tp781209p782470.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] WTB - Kent single lever paddle
David, If you want Ultimatic mode, look at the K1EL keyers (Google for URL), the K12 is the low end keyer that supports Ultimatic and is priced at $17 USD with no enclosure - it is small enough to fit inside many transceivers but I put mine in a small box to be used with several different transceivers. Ultimatic makes us 'slap paddle' users able to generate better code. 73, Don W3FPR David Ferrington, M0XDF wrote: I think I'd like to see Ultimatic mode too, I'm thinking I'll have to learn Iambic though, because most rigs don't support Ultimatic. But Ultimatic does sound like the easier and frankly, more logical mode. Maybe I'll have to borrow a friends keyer to give it a try. 73 de M0XDF, K3 #174 ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] K3 - first impressions
I received my K3 yesterday, after ordering in late October last year (waiting primarily to have it shipped with 2nd RX, pre-built). After having it on the bench for most of the last 24 hours and using it in a side by side comparison with my IC-7800, I thought I would pass on my first impressions. I am both amazed and pleased that Elecraft have continued to pack and amazing radio into the size and weight of the package. I find it to perform as well or better than my IC-7800 in many areas. If I had to choose between getting two fully loaded K3s or a 7800, hands down, Elecraft wins. There are however a couple of things I like better about the IC-7800: 1. The spectrum scope and display, with video output. 2. The availability of many features without menus; i.e. lots of knobs and switches. 3. The built in power supply and 200 watts. 4. Rack mountable (19 rack panel) All of those seem tied to the battleship construction and hernia inducing weight of the 7800; of these, the spectrum scope is the most important to me, so I am looking into the LP-Pan as a possible solution. I have a lot more learning to do, to be able to use it more effectively without constantly referring back to the manual, but so far, an amazing radio. I am waiting for the MARS mod software to try it out there, and will start exploring how it does in the sound card digital modes early this week. Well worth the wait; great job Elecraft! I have not figured out if it does this, but I think a worthwhile feature would be to disconnect the antenna automatically on power down (my PW-1 does this) as a small measure of protection. 73 de Dave, W5SV / NNN0SLA ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] Shelby Hamfest, NC (K3)
For those who have not had a chance to see the K3 first hand, I will be setting up my K3 at the Shelby Hamfest for some casual operating. Please feel free to stop by and take a look. I am not an expert on the radio but will be more than happy to share what knowledge I have. I can't give precise info on where I will be set up as this is a new location this year but I will try to post a sign in front of my tables. 73, Richard N4WDU -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Shelby-Hamfest%2C-NC-%28K3%29-tp784319p784319.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] WTB - Kent single lever paddle
Thanks Don, I was just looking at the WKUSB, but will look at the K12 because I could do the same. I guess since the keyers use the key in jack of the K3, I can still use the message records of the K3 too? And not quite sure what the PTT jack on the WKUSB is for? 73 de M0XDF, K3 #174 -- What is the purpose of the giant sequoia tree? The purpose of the giant sequoia tree is to provide shade for the tiny titmouse. -Edward Abbey, naturalist and author (1927-1989) On 26 Aug 2008, at 15:35, Don Wilhelm wrote: David, If you want Ultimatic mode, look at the K1EL keyers (Google for URL), the K12 is the low end keyer that supports Ultimatic and is priced at $17 USD with no enclosure - it is small enough to fit inside many transceivers but I put mine in a small box to be used with several different transceivers. Ultimatic makes us 'slap paddle' users able to generate better code. 73, Don W3FPR David Ferrington, M0XDF wrote: I think I'd like to see Ultimatic mode too, I'm thinking I'll have to learn Iambic though, because most rigs don't support Ultimatic. But Ultimatic does sound like the easier and frankly, more logical mode. Maybe I'll have to borrow a friends keyer to give it a try. 73 de M0XDF, K3 #174 ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] W8JI review on eHam
http://www.eham.net/reviews/detail/6673 Elecraft is amazing! (I almost hate to write this review. I'd like to be the only person in the world with a K3.) I like raw performance. I like working weak DX stations on low bands. I like contests. Because I have guest ops that aren't always accustomed to the radios I have, the radio has to be easy to use. With contacts coming three or four a minute for hours on end, with over a dozen antennas to pick, the radio can't be difficult to use or distracting. It also has to be top notch. This is a demanding situation with large antennas in a very quiet location. The location and large antennas demand uncompromised receiver and transmitter performance. Some top-of-the-line radios selling for three times the price of the K3 only lasted a few days here. Some have had serious design problems like so-called diversity that does not actually phase lock. Some only offer a crummy sub-receiver that isn't even worthy of being called second rate. By sub they must mean sub-standard. Some have transmitter keying issues or unreasonable transmitter IM on SSB, many have receiver close-spaced strong signal handling issues. I purchased one brand new top-of-the-line high-dollar radio, assured by the sales people it was the best radio ever, and the thing was not as good as my 15 year old FT-1000D in several different ways. I thought I was destined to spend my life going back to the FT1000 and heavily modified solid state mixer and IF section diversity R4C's. Enter the K3. I measured around -35 to -38 dB SSB transmitter IM3, better than my other radios. The transmitter is flawlessly clean on CW also. The raw receiver performance on HF is second to none. It is significantly better than radios costing three times as much as a loaded K3. The K3 is an incredibly easy to use radio, and it is very simple to upgrade firmware. Just a couple mouse clicks and the new firmware is located on their website and loaded into the radio. Elecraft is also super fast in updating and improving firmware, their response to suggestions is like nothing I have ever experienced. I didn't like the way a few controls functioned in diversity mode. The knobs required a little more operator attention than I liked. Unlike other companies, when I e-mailed Elecraft they listened and agreed. Within a week a firmware upgrade corrected the difficulties. Now it is smooth as silk. Can you imagine any other radio manufacturer in the world responding like that? It's unheard of today! I'm going to make a prediction. Within a few years all the successful serious contesting stations and DX chasers will have K3's. This is the first time I've bought a radio and not been disappointed. As a matter of fact, I'm ecstatic about the K3 performance and Elecraft's service. I've waited almost 20 years for the next major improvement in radios, and this is it. Not only is the radio great, the service and support exceeds all reasonable expectations. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] Re: Kent single lever paddle
Hi agn Ralph, Gus Hansen K5OYH has one for sale at $125.00 shipped to you. I think this is a good buy, take him up on it . 73, Bob VE3XM ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 - first impressions
I really think the K3 is a great rig and THE rig to have. That said, I would LOVE the k3 radio packaged in a larger enclosure...not quite as large as the 7800 though. With a built-in display with split screen for main and sub receivers and click tune with a USB mouse. More dedicated buttons and knobs...though some stuff really needs to stay in a menu. A row of 10 dedicated PF buttons that do not share double duty with other functionsA built-in SO2R interface with a dedicated connections for another K3 as the second radio so there only needs to be one connection to a computer. Multiple interface options (ethernet, USB, and serial). The USB can also carry the audio signals to the computer eliminating more cables2M transverter optionand built-in KRC2 type of interface for antenna/filter switching. With what Elecraft has been able to do with the K3 they should be able to package this with allot of room to spare. I don't think the radio portion would need to change at all. - 73, Greg - AB7R Whidbey Island WA NA-065 On Tue Aug 26 7:46 , David F. Reed sent: I received my K3 yesterday, after ordering in late October last year (waiting primarily to have it shipped with 2nd RX, pre-built). After having it on the bench for most of the last 24 hours and using it in a side by side comparison with my IC-7800, I thought I would pass on my first impressions. I am both amazed and pleased that Elecraft have continued to pack and amazing radio into the size and weight of the package. I find it to perform as well or better than my IC-7800 in many areas. If I had to choose between getting two fully loaded K3s or a 7800, hands down, Elecraft wins. There are however a couple of things I like better about the IC-7800: 1. The spectrum scope and display, with video output. 2. The availability of many features without menus; i.e. lots of knobs and switches. 3. The built in power supply and 200 watts. 4. Rack mountable (19 rack panel) All of those seem tied to the battleship construction and hernia inducing weight of the 7800; of these, the spectrum scope is the most important to me, so I am looking into the LP-Pan as a possible solution. I have a lot more learning to do, to be able to use it more effectively without constantly referring back to the manual, but so far, an amazing radio. I am waiting for the MARS mod software to try it out there, and will start exploring how it does in the sound card digital modes early this week. Well worth the wait; great job Elecraft! I have not figured out if it does this, but I think a worthwhile feature would be to disconnect the antenna automatically on power down (my PW-1 does this) as a small measure of protection. 73 de Dave, W5SV / NNN0SLA ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 - first impressions
Kinda like a K3+ :-) 73 de M0XDF, K3 #174 -- It came to me that reform should begin at home, and since that day I have not had time to remake the world. -Will Durant, historian (1885-1981) On 26 Aug 2008, at 16:28, Greg - AB7R wrote: With what Elecraft has been able to do with the K3 they should be able to package this with allot of room to spare. I don't think the radio portion would need to change at all. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] WTB - Kent single lever paddle
Yes, I thought that is probably the way to go, but it does mean I'd have to carry the keyer around and I liked the idea of having the keyer in the K3 (not to mention that I hope to use a KX1 someday). Thanks for confirmation of that being the way to go. Ideally, elecraft will implement Ultimatic in the K3 - soon ? 73 de M0XDF, K3 #174 -- If all is not lost, where is it? On 26 Aug 2008, at 15:17, Terry Myers wrote: Built in keyers change from rig to rig, so buy a key you like and a keyer you like and just move it from rig to rig. There are fewer menus to learn and fewer adjustments. Not to mention fewer cw errors sent. I have the Kent single level paddle and a Super CMOS III keyer that are my favorite combination. I have tried many others, but this is my favorite setup. My first keyer was a Accu-keyer I built from a handbook article. I sold it for something new and regretted it. I tried many keys and keyers over the years and found that simple was best. It came down to two paddles for me. The Vibroplex and the Kent and the Kent won because it did not require the hand to be raised above the table surface. Both are good paddles, but that made the difference for me. I made a Plexiglas dust cover for the Kent and then built my Super CMOS III keyer in an enclosure that would sit on top of the dust cover. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 - first impressions
I agree with the OP as far as the K3 goes and have no experience of the Icom 7800, but I have yet to get a concrete example of the things a spectrum scope can do. Does anyone know what is it about it that you *can't* do with the K3 as presently outfitted? I know about LP-Pan and all, so my sincere question is: _why_ is it so important? I throw this question out to the group! 73, Joe, W2RBA I find it to perform as well or better than my IC-7800 in many areas. If I had to choose between getting two fully loaded K3s or a 7800, hands down, Elecraft wins. There are however a couple of things I like better about the IC-7800: 1. The spectrum scope and display ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 - first impressions
Watching a band such as 6m for Sporadic-E activity. Simon Brown, HB9DRV www.ham-radio-deluxe.com - Original Message - From: jmalloy [EMAIL PROTECTED] I agree with the OP as far as the K3 goes and have no experience of the Icom 7800, but I have yet to get a concrete example of the things a spectrum scope can do. Does anyone know what is it about it that you *can't* do with the K3 as presently outfitted? ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 - first impressions
That seems reasonable, Simon, but if you're already *on* 6, can't you just tell by the sounds? I don't mean to be difficult, I really am curious! 73, Joe, W2RBA jmalloy wrote: I agree with the OP as far as the K3 goes and have no experience of the Icom 7800, but I have yet to get a concrete example of the things a spectrum scope can do. Does anyone know what is it about it that you *can't* do with the K3 as presently outfitted? I know about LP-Pan and all, so my sincere question is: _why_ is it so important? I throw this question out to the group! ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] Re: OT- Using two coaxial cables as a balanced feeder
Don Wilhelm wrote: If your tuner has a limited range and cannot properly match the feedpoint impedance of the feedline, adding (or subtracting) a length of line to the feeder length can bring it into a range that your tuner can match. I would suggest adding or subtracting in 1/8th wavelength increments until you get it close to the desired range and then go to 1/16th wavelength additions or subtractions. The feedline acts like an impedance transformer when it is operated with an SWR other than 1. Or, use N6BV's TLW [comes with the ARRL Antenna Book 20th ed] and just calculate it. I modeled one of my low band antennas to get the feed point impedance, and then used TLW to compute the open wire line length to the balun. Worked great. 73, Fred K6DGW - Northern California Contest Club - CU in the 2008 Cal QSO Party 4-5 Oct 08 - www.cqp.org ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 - first impressions
SSB portion is at least 200 kHz wide - the band is closed - then it's open. With a bandscope you see the whole band, beacons - everything. Simon Brown, HB9DRV www.ham-radio-deluxe.com - Original Message - From: jmalloy [EMAIL PROTECTED] That seems reasonable, Simon, but if you're already *on* 6, can't you just tell by the sounds? I don't mean to be difficult, I really am curious! ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] Band 'scope uses
An opening ... on any band ... can be spotted much more easily. Ditto for a burst of activity resulting from a rare DX station's appearance on a band. No need to twirl the knob. One can even watch for secret channels on VHF/UHF FM bands. Once found our county commissioners operating abootleg network on 2M this way. (;-) 73! Ken Kopp - K0PP [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 - first impressions
On Tue, 26 Aug 2008 19:10:11 +0200, Simon (HB9DRV) wrote: With a bandscope you see the whole band, beacons - everything. And birdies from various RFI sources. Even in a fairly quiet QTH, there are some. 73, Jim K9YC ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 - first impressions
Simon (HB9DRV) wrote: SSB portion is at least 200 kHz wide - the band is closed - then it's open. With a bandscope you see the whole band, beacons - everything. True, the Es openings on 6 come and go very quickly. But you would need to visually check the bandscope screen every minute or so. I used to have a ProII. Today I use the frequency or memory scanning function of my 6mtr rig. You can do other things besides sitting on front of your rig, waiting endlessly :) I like memory scanning the best: - each 500Hz from 50087 till 50110 - each 2500Hz from 50110 till 50190 (YMMV) By this method I hardly miss anything; I worked 57 ctys this year only, using a 5el and 100W. Sometimes only 12W from the K2+XV50. '73 Mark http://pa5mw.blogspot.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Firmware and DSP Upgrades
... I make the suggestion that more time be spent proofing firmware and DSP upgrades and for Elecraft to employ software IVV. Bob, K9PAG With all due respect, and perhaps a bit too blunt, BETA is BETA. The OFFICIAL (production) release has not changed since I received my K3. If you are averse to risk and finding a bug, then just don't do beta. Otherwise join the fray and find out what it's like to have responsive programmers, and half a thousand field testers working on beta releases (and KNOWING they are beta releases). I've been in the software business for four decades and do not perceive the Elecraft procedures as substandard, or lacking in procedure. Only in the government and regulated monopolies (read the old Bell System) or life-dependent products can one get away with testing something for four years before commercial release. Also a K3 is not the FAA Flight Service System and peoples lives do not depend on it. Just their contest scores :) -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Firmware-and-DSP-Upgrades-tp783052p784815.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3: shipping status updated
I've not yet seen a unit that was advertised here arrive in 4 months yet... Maybe they are catching up. I kinda like things remaining behind a bit... Means that K3's are going out as quickly as possible and is good news for Elecraft... So long as customers are willing to wait for a K3 and I think people have spoken that they will. On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 4:24 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 3.7 months after order date. That would be roughly about 9730260 seconds or one period of c. 102.772 nHz or ... ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] FYI: K3 wrks FB CT DOS PGM
FYI: K3 WORKS FINE WITH DOS CT 10.03 CONTEST PROGRAM. SETUP YOUR COMPORT, COMTSR# -B4800 BAUD AND USE TS940 AS THE TRANSCEIVER. DON'T FORGET SETUP AS COMPORT# RADIO1 4800. K3 KEYS JUST FINE WITH CT INTERFACES. ALEX W2OX/V47KP ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] KX-1 BC interference on 20m
Hello Don I certainly wouldn't want to give the impression that I'm not really pleased with the KX-1 because it's given me a huge amount of pleasure in a relatively short length of time. I think I may have hit upon something- the KX-1 received a knock when camping and I have now discovered that the knock broke both solder joints for the ground connection on the bnc socket. Looking at them they seemed dry anyway and now they have been resoldered the problem has all but disappeared. I'm not looking for a perfect transceiver of course, but the BC stations were fairly intrusive and if I've got that sorted now then I shall be happy. Thanks to all for the advice received! 73 Stephen G4SJP On 26/08/2008 00:51, Don Wilhelm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Stephen and Ed, I was thinking along those same lines. On 20 meters, the KX1 LO signal is below the RF signal, so a strong BC station in the 4.1 to 4.3 MHz range could push itself through and be heard on the upper end of the 20 meter band. If you have no stations on that part of the spectrum, you can likely reject the assumption of an image response. The KX1 design faced many challenges in order to stuff all that performance in a small space, so the design is a bit of a compromise. The front end suffers from responses in the presence of strong RF energy just like any other Gilbert cell mixer connected in the receiver front end (with no RF amp stage for isolation). My understanding is that the Gilbert cell mixer can generate 'funny stuff' in the presence of strong RF energy fields like might be found in Europe - in reading EMRFD, I find that Wes Hayward does not even recommend the gilbert cell mixer for use in receivers that will be used on the Eastern side of the US for this very reason. In addition, the DDS does have some spurs that can be mysterious - if the offending signal tunes more quickly than normal signals, you are likely hearing the result of one of the DDS spurs. The KX1 is a good design, but it just is not perfect in all ways. You may be hearing the result of one of these imperfections - OTOH, you *could* have a problem there. Comparison with another KX1 under the same circumstances is one way of telling whether a problem exists or it is just one of those design compromise situations. 73, Don W3FPR Ed - K9EW wrote: Hi Stephen, It might help if you could identify the SW stations you're hearing, and find out what frequency they're on. What you could be hearing is a very strong signal on the receiver's image frequency, and the only thing you could do would be to add more selectivity to the front end to attenuate the signal on the image frequency. Ask Elecraft, they would know. 73, ed - k9ew www.k9ew.us\ ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.7/1631 - Release Date: 8/24/2008 12:15 PM ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 - first impressions
Joe, I find the spectrum scope to be very useful in the an SO2R situation. For example, at home I use a K3 as my normal run radio and a 756 Pro2 as a second radio. The K3 is a much better run radio mostly because of its much superior receiver performance. OTOH, the spectrum scope on the Pro2 is very helpful in trying to find band openings, locating activity on a quiet band, looking for bare spots on a crowded band, etc. The visual display is a more efficient way to get this information than by turning the knob and relying on your ears. I'm looking forward to trying LP-Pan in the future to add that facility to the K3. 73, andy, ae6y - Original Message - From: jmalloy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: elecraft Reflector elecraft@mailman.qth.net Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 9:53 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 - first impressions I agree with the OP as far as the K3 goes and have no experience of the Icom 7800, but I have yet to get a concrete example of the things a spectrum scope can do. Does anyone know what is it about it that you *can't* do with the K3 as presently outfitted? I know about LP-Pan and all, so my sincere question is: _why_ is it so important? I throw this question out to the group! 73, Joe, W2RBA I find it to perform as well or better than my IC-7800 in many areas. If I had to choose between getting two fully loaded K3s or a 7800, hands down, Elecraft wins. There are however a couple of things I like better about the IC-7800: 1. The spectrum scope and display ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3: shipping status updated
This delivery time is -forward- looking, and is a direct calculation based on current and projected production rates. Looking backwards the time will always be longer as we have been continually increasing production rates each month. We are now producing at a rate ahead of current orders. (The actual calculation was 3.68 ;-) 73, Eric WA6HHQ === Brett Howard wrote: I've not yet seen a unit that was advertised here arrive in 4 months yet... Maybe they are catching up. I kinda like things remaining behind a bit... Means that K3's are going out as quickly as possible and is good news for Elecraft... So long as customers are willing to wait for a K3 and I think people have spoken that they will. On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 4:24 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 3.7 months after order date. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3: shipping status updated
On Tue, 26 Aug 2008 12:14:27 -0700, Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft wrote: Looking backwards the time will always be longer as we have been continually increasing production rates each month. The floggings I've heard about from your employees seem to be having the desired effect! Jim ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
RE: [Elecraft] K3: shipping status updated
Very cool. Kinda upsetting that you're now going faster than orders but it's also a plus. I was liking that units were being sold faster than they could be made for a while but with the 7600 and what not coming out getting to a point where one can just be ordered and shipped may not be that bad of a thing. I can definitely see the wait being something that sways someone away from the K3. I must admit that mine was definitely worth the wait. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 12:14 PM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3: shipping status updated This delivery time is -forward- looking, and is a direct calculation based on current and projected production rates. Looking backwards the time will always be longer as we have been continually increasing production rates each month. We are now producing at a rate ahead of current orders. (The actual calculation was 3.68 ;-) 73, Eric WA6HHQ === Brett Howard wrote: I've not yet seen a unit that was advertised here arrive in 4 months yet... Maybe they are catching up. I kinda like things remaining behind a bit... Means that K3's are going out as quickly as possible and is good news for Elecraft... So long as customers are willing to wait for a K3 and I think people have spoken that they will. On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 4:24 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 3.7 months after order date. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3: shipping status updated
No reason to be upset :-) The order rate is still -very- good. We're just doing even better in production. We've planned on ramping up production to this point from the start and to be honest, for ongoing business in this market long term, it is important that we get the lead time down to a very short time. 73, Eric --- Brett Howard wrote: Very cool. Kinda upsetting that you're now going faster than orders but it's also a plus. I was liking that units were being sold faster than they could be made for a while but with the 7600 and what not coming out getting to a point where one can just be ordered and shipped may not be that bad of a thing. I can definitely see the wait being something that sways someone away from the K3. I must admit that mine was definitely worth the wait. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 12:14 PM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3: shipping status updated This delivery time is -forward- looking, and is a direct calculation based on current and projected production rates. Looking backwards the time will always be longer as we have been continually increasing production rates each month. We are now producing at a rate ahead of current orders. (The actual calculation was 3.68 ;-) 73, Eric WA6HHQ === ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] Prospective K3 Owner
Well, if all goes well, I will have my K3 by Christmas. Needless to say, I have begun reading and planning so the building of the kit comes off without a hitch I would appreciate any suggestions anyone could offer. Specifically, - Are there any tools, over and above those mentioned in the assembly manual, that would be helpful - Are there any tricks at anyy stage of the assembly that anyone has uncovered - Is there a need to do any special calibration that might require test equipment Finally, what is the added value of the high precision oscillator Joe W!JGS -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Prospective-K3-Owner-tp785159p785159.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Prospective K3 Owner
--- On Tue, 8/26/08, Joe G [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Joe G [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Elecraft] Prospective K3 Owner To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Date: Tuesday, August 26, 2008, 3:09 PM Well, if all goes well, I will have my K3 by Christmas. Needless to say, I have begun reading and planning so the building of the kit comes off without a hitch I would appreciate any suggestions anyone could offer. Specifically, - Are there any tools, over and above those mentioned in the assembly manual, that would be helpful No not really. I used a set of Jeweler's screw drivers that I had picked many years ago at Radio Shack. Most of the standoffs and such can be tighten with a nut driver (but not too tight). It is pretty simple build. - Are there any tricks at anyy stage of the assembly that anyone has uncovered The front panel is a little tricky, but that has been covered on the reflector many times. Look it up in the archives. The fans were a mystery for me...but then things clicked and I got it done. It was late in the evening. - Is there a need to do any special calibration that might require test equipment I have no special equipment except a DVM. No Scope. I have an old frequency counter but never used it. I calibrated by WWV and it worked quite well. Like tuning a guitar string. Finally, what is the added value of the high precision oscillator Dunno. Did not get one. I doubt that I would notice parts per million in the type of operating I do. If you are doing something that needs that precision by all means get one...but I just contest and DX. Workem...logem. 73 Lee - K0WA Joe W!JGS -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Prospective-K3-Owner-tp785159p785159.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] KX-1 BC interference on 20m
Stephen, Yes, a poorly connected BNC shell could act as a mixer itself and cause all sorts of wierd happenings - especially within a strong RF field as exists in Europe with those BIG broadcast stations. 73, Don W3FPR Stephen Prior wrote: Hello Don I certainly wouldn't want to give the impression that I'm not really pleased with the KX-1 because it's given me a huge amount of pleasure in a relatively short length of time. I think I may have hit upon something- the KX-1 received a knock when camping and I have now discovered that the knock broke both solder joints for the ground connection on the bnc socket. Looking at them they seemed dry anyway and now they have been resoldered the problem has all but disappeared. I'm not looking for a perfect transceiver of course, but the BC stations were fairly intrusive and if I've got that sorted now then I shall be happy. Thanks to all for the advice received! 73 Stephen G4SJP ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Firmware and DSP Upgrades
A lot of the comments about software problems are due to people not reading the release notes, not understanding multiple configuration options, not accurately following the assembly manuals, as well as newly licensed hams who bypass entry level radios in favor of sophisticated rigs that end up being over their heads. A fair number of comments are also mere grousing for the sake of grousing. As noted after nearly every firmware release, gripes are frequently followed by praise once the new options are understood and played with. The assertion that each new release is a step backward is patently untrue (and also unfair). By comparison, the Big Three NEVER release information about hardware or firmware upgrades, NEVER encourage retrofitting, and NEVER even answer email. They want you to buy new stuff. Elecraft on the other hand is still supporting all their rigs, still upgrading both hardware and software (KX1 has a new p.a.) even as they are fine-tuning the K3. Many purchasers have marveled that their emails to the support staff get answered within hours, even on the weekends. Independent testing, as the writer below calls it, IS being done by over a dozen beta-testers working without pay for the love of the product and the hobby. A lot of the so-called issues alluded to in this post are merely personal preferences that are not shared by the majority of purchasers. It is to Elecraft's credit that they have bent over backward to accommodate even the eclectic among us while maintaining an affordable radio that has superior performance. But the most important fact to keep in mind is that none of us are share holders. It's not our company. Suggest all you want, but it's their debt, their mortgage, their retirement, their business AND . . . none of ours. Kent K9ZTV Someone wrote: I don't know to what extent or to what degree the tests of K3 firmware and DSP upgrades must reach before being released for general use. However, it is apparent to me with the numerous issues with NR and DSP that more needs to be done before K3 software products are released for general use. While I have no aversion to software upgrades, one does not want to trade one set of problems for others. This, unfortunately, appears to be happening more and more as the software becomes more extensive in capabilities. I don't know if Elecraft utilizes such techniques, but independent verification and validation (IVV) of software has proven time and time again to work. One cannot expect a software developer to adequately test his work. Independent testing by a third party against approved criteria catches many bugs and problems developers fail to see. And unless one has a rigorous, structured software testing effort, problems such as those with DSP and NR will come back and bite you every time. Having software tested by the developer often leads to the old problem of two steps forward and one in reverse with software releases. I make the suggestion that more time be spent proofing firmware and DSP upgrades and for Elecraft to employ software IVV. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] Prospective K3 Owner
Well, here is one thing that you will need to know that is NOT in the manual and that I have NOT seen discussed anywhere on the reflector (but maybe I just missed it). Once you really get cranking along with assembly...and it is really starting to look like an almost completed radio, DO NOT FREAK OUT when the instructions then say to take off the left side panel, then the right side panel, then undo this and that. On my first build (I have a pair of K3s), I almost wanted to cry when my box started to look like it was going seriously in reverse. When I supervised another local assembling his K3, despite my warning, he suffered the same effect. As I recall, it was something like OH NOOO! This is really a simply assembly. The initial front panel issues (described elsewhere) are, for me, all but completely gone. My first one was a very tight fit and I had to scrape out the mic hole several times (too much paint). Radio #2 (about 600 serial numbers later) and my friends radio (another 400 serial numbers later) had the front panel just slide into place (except for that pesky screw head on the lower, left, front 2D block which had to be removed on all three radios. Don't worry, it's in the instructions). Get new Philips screwdrivers so you don't mess up the screws...and don't doubt that BLACK screws go on the inside...the instructions are correct. Sit back, enjoy the assembly. Kinda reminded me of the old erector set dayslots of fun and not much room for errors...and like no room for errors that can't be easily reversed and corrected. GL (even though you won't need any) de Doug KR2Q ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Prospective K3 Owner
On Tue, 26 Aug 2008 13:09:04 -0700 (PDT), Joe W!JGS wrote: - Are there any tools, over and above those mentioned in the assembly manual, that would be helpful Yes, a magnetized screwdriver is very handy for guiding the screws to their holes without having to fumble with them. (There are a LOT of screws!) Some people pre-sort all the screws. I just dumped them and the washers into a shallow pan and hunted through them as they were called out. But do pay close attention to the screw lengths and washer types specified in the instructions. 73, Drew AF2Z ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Prospective K3 Owner
Also A small magnetic screwdriver helps tremendously when trying to get something in those hard-to- reach areas. And if it has not been mentioned yet, you will need an anti-static mat to do the assembly on to prevent damage to ICs on the boards. I use a wrist strap attached to the matt which is also attached to my ground system. - 73, Greg - AB7R Whidbey Island WA NA-065 On Tue Aug 26 14:00 , DOUGLAS ZWIEBEL sent: Well, here is one thing that you will need to know that is NOT in the manual and that I have NOT seen discussed anywhere on the reflector (but maybe I just missed it). Once you really get cranking along with assembly...and it is really starting to look like an almost completed radio, DO NOT FREAK OUT when the instructions then say to take off the left side panel, then the right side panel, then undo this and that. On my first build (I have a pair of K3s), I almost wanted to cry when my box started to look like it was going seriously in reverse. When I supervised another local assembling his K3, despite my warning, he suffered the same effect. As I recall, it was something like OH NOOO! This is really a simply assembly. The initial front panel issues (described elsewhere) are, for me, all but completely gone. My first one was a very tight fit and I had to scrape out the mic hole several times (too much paint). Radio #2 (about 600 serial numbers later) and my friends radio (another 400 serial numbers later) had the front panel just slide into place (except for that pesky screw head on the lower, left, front 2D block which had to be removed on all three radios. Don't worry, it's in the instructions). Get new Philips screwdrivers so you don't mess up the screws...and don't doubt that BLACK screws go on the inside...the instructions are correct. Sit back, enjoy the assembly. Kinda reminded me of the old erector set dayslots of fun and not much room for errors...and like no room for errors that can't be easily reversed and corrected. GL (even though you won't need any) de Doug KR2Q ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] For Sale: Elecraft K2/10
have for sale my K2/10 SN# 4778 with the following options. KSB2 - SSB, K160RX - 160M RX, KIO2 - RS232 Interface, KNB2 - Noise Blanker, KAT2 - 20W Antenna Tuner and FDIMP - Finger Dimple. I have the manual for the K2 and most of the manuals for the various options. The ones that I don't have can be downloaded from Elecraft's website. This radio was professionally assembled from a smoke free environment. It is in excellent condition and works great. Has one radial scratch around the grounding lug on the back but nothing major. Comes with Kenwood hand mic as well. $850 shipped and insured. 73 Matt ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
RE: [Elecraft] Prospective K3 Owner
I used a muffin pan to sort out my hardware. It worked very well. I didn't have enough cups to sort everything out, so I pre-sorted the most similar looking parts (e.g., small black pan heads from small black flat heads). And I separated out the small number of zinc pan heads of unusual lengths from the large number of those that were all the same. There were quite a few errata in my version of the assembly instructions. Rather than doing a lot of paper cutting and pasting, I simply used a highlighter pen to tag sections where I needed to refer to the errata. Robert K5PI -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 4:13 PM To: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Prospective K3 Owner On Tue, 26 Aug 2008 13:09:04 -0700 (PDT), Joe W!JGS wrote: - Are there any tools, over and above those mentioned in the assembly manual, that would be helpful Yes, a magnetized screwdriver is very handy for guiding the screws to their holes without having to fumble with them. (There are a LOT of screws!) Some people pre-sort all the screws. I just dumped them and the washers into a shallow pan and hunted through them as they were called out. But do pay close attention to the screw lengths and washer types specified in the instructions. 73, Drew AF2Z ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Prospective K3 Owner
Drew wrote... Some people pre-sort all the screws. I just dumped them and the washers into a shallow pan and hunted through them as they were called out. But do pay close attention to the screw lengths and washer types specified in the instructions. Very good point. This is especially true when attaching the clear bezel over the LCD. Use the wrong length screw and you will likely damage the LCD. Just take your time and you will do fine. - 73, Greg - AB7R Whidbey Island WA NA-065 On Tue Aug 26 14:13 , [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent: On Tue, 26 Aug 2008 13:09:04 -0700 (PDT), Joe W!JGS wrote: - Are there any tools, over and above those mentioned in the assembly manual, that would be helpful Yes, a magnetized screwdriver is very handy for guiding the screws to their holes without having to fumble with them. (There are a LOT of screws!) Some people pre-sort all the screws. I just dumped them and the washers into a shallow pan and hunted through them as they were called out. But do pay close attention to the screw lengths and washer types specified in the instructions. 73, Drew AF2Z ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
RE: [Elecraft] Prospective K3 Owner
Robert Brandon wrote: I used a muffin pan to sort out my hardware. It worked very well. I didn't have enough cups to sort everything out, so I pre-sorted the most similar looking parts (e.g., small black pan heads from small black flat heads). And I separated out the small number of zinc pan heads of unusual lengths from the large number of those that were all the same. My XYL started saving egg boxes for me after someone suggested the idea on this reflector. By the time the K3 actually arrived I had almost enough so each screw could have its own compartment. :) I did find it seriously useful to have labelled compartments for each size of screw, nut etc. They had to be sorted out at the inventory stage, so to mix them back up together and then sort them out again when needed makes no sense to me, and just adds another source of error. - Julian, G4ILO. K2 #392 K3 #222. http://www.g4ilo.com/ G4ILO's Shack http://www.ham-directory.com/ Ham Directoryhttp://www.g4ilo.com/kcomm.html KComm for Elecraft K2 and K3 -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Prospective-K3-Owner-tp785159p785394.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] 500 Hz filter measurement?
W4ZV wrote: You only need the two -6 dB points, which can be measured to a resolution of 1 Hz and 0.1 dB using the internal AFV/dBV function. You should set AGC Off and ensure WIDTH (i.e. the DSP BW) is than the filter you are measuring...otherwise you're measuring the combination of XFIL plus DSP. I do this by disabling all filters except the one under test and setting WIDTH XFIL BW. Once you have the two -6 dB points, then you can figure how much offset to enter so these two points are equidistant about the center. I used the above procedure to test my 500 Hz filter. The offset printed on the filter is -0.82 kHz. Testing shows the center frequency to be about 43 Hz low when using the above offset. I put -0.78 KHz in the filter configuration, and it tests centered now. The -6 dB bandwidth measured about 480 Hz. I have seen the nominal -6dB bandwidth of the 500 Hz filter listed as 565 Hz. When I am measuring the bandwidth, I have the DSP bandwidth set to 2.8 KHz. Since the DSP filter is fairly wide, I would not expect the cascading to have much affect on the Xtal filter bandwidth measurement. Is it likely my Xtal filter is as narrow as measurement shows or is it more likely something is wrong with my testing? Here is info about the test setup: PITCH = 600 AGC = off Mode = CW Only 500 Hz filter enabled 500 HZ filter Offset set to -0.82 KHz DSP BW = 2.80 RX EQ = reset to 0 for all EQ bands Center freq on K3 determined using CWT and Spot Sig source = HP sig generator at 50 microvolts 73, Paul Ferguson K5ESW Raleigh, NC ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 - first impressions
Joe, when working DX that is operating split, it is nice to see the pattern he is using - is he saying up 30 to 40, but jumst answering those on 35 up? Is he tuning up, or down? is tail-ending working? Knowing this is often the difference between adding that new one, and getting frustrated and missing it. And the scope helps yo spot the pattern easier than tuning and listening; it might just be that some of us are more visually oriented than others, but it is a preference I have, Is it essential? No, but it is a handy useful gadget that I will gladly pay extra for, just like I did for the second receiver (which is great for diversity reception on a different antenna - again, it can make the difference of getting that DX in the log... 73 de Dave, W5SV jmalloy wrote: I agree with the OP as far as the K3 goes and have no experience of the Icom 7800, but I have yet to get a concrete example of the things a spectrum scope can do. Does anyone know what is it about it that you *can't* do with the K3 as presently outfitted? I know about LP-Pan and all, so my sincere question is: _why_ is it so important? I throw this question out to the group! 73, Joe, W2RBA ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: Re: [Elecraft] WTB - Kent single lever paddle
Don Wilhelm wrote: If you want Ultimatic mode, look at the K1EL keyers (Google for URL), the K12 is the low end keyer that supports Ultimatic and is priced at $17 USD with no enclosure - it is small enough to fit inside many transceivers but I put mine in a small box to be used with several different transceivers. Ultimatic makes us 'slap paddle' users able to generate better code. Yes! I am a slapper and will be until I'm SK. I've tried to learn the squeeze, but it's been very much like my trying to learn to play the piano. Trust me, you don't want to hear me try. Except for my proletarian-looking WW2 Lionel J36 that I modified to a single lever for the keyer I built in high school, I've always used Benchers ... they seemed to be plentiful, not too costly, and ubiquitous [love that word!]. Then I bought a HexKey from E'craft. Wow! What a difference in feel! Currently, I have the Hex on the K3 and the shiny chrome Bencher on the K1EL. Not only do I like the Hex better, I like the ability to adjust the keying weight on the K3 in small increments. I'll keep my K1EL, if for no other reason than I assembled it into the enclosure of my choice. God willing, I will be at N6A for the Cal QSO Party 4-5 Oct. We're hoping to work a bunch of Elecrafters on both phone and CW. If you want Alpine County CA, we're your guys. We're usually your ONLY guys! 73, Fred K6DGW - Northern California Contest Club - CU in the 2008 Cal QSO Party 4-5 Oct 08 - www.cqp.org ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] K2 UNBUILT KIT WTB
Looking for a K2 kit to build - looking for a basic kit and also interested in any modules . Please email what you have for sale and asking price. Thank you - Dan [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] 500 Hz filter measurement?
KENT: Here's the procedure for checking your filter(s)... It's pretty much what I'd thought it was, but never having tried it, I wasn't all that certain of exactly HOW to do it. Tom W4ZV wrote: You only need the two -6 dB points, which can be measured to a resolution of 1 Hz and 0.1 dB using the internal AFV/dBV function. You should set AGC Off and ensure WIDTH (i.e. the DSP BW) is than the filter you are measuring...otherwise you're measuring the combination of XFIL plus DSP. I do this by disabling all filters except the one under test and setting WIDTH XFIL BW. Once you have the two -6 dB points, then you can figure how much offset to enter so these two points are equidistant about the center. I used the above procedure to test my 500 Hz filter. The offset printed on the filter is -0.82 kHz. Testing shows the center frequency to be about 43 Hz low when using the above offset. I put -0.78 KHz in the filter configuration, and it tests centered now. The -6 dB bandwidth measured about 480 Hz. I have seen the nominal -6dB bandwidth of the 500 Hz filter listed as 565 Hz. When I am measuring the bandwidth, I have the DSP bandwidth set to 2.8 KHz. Since the DSP filter is fairly wide, I would not expect the cascading to have much affect on the Xtal filter bandwidth measurement. Is it likely my Xtal filter is as narrow as measurement shows or is it more likely something is wrong with my testing? Here is info about the test setup: PITCH = 600 AGC = off Mode = CW Only 500 Hz filter enabled 500 HZ filter Offset set to -0.82 KHz DSP BW = 2.80 RX EQ = reset to 0 for all EQ bands Center freq on K3 determined using CWT and Spot Sig source = HP sig generator at 50 microvolts 73, Paul Ferguson K5ESW Raleigh, NC ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
RE: Re: [Elecraft] WTB - Kent single lever paddle
I'm a little puzzled by the issue of dual vs. single-lever paddles. I used a bug for almost 20 years then built and used a Iambic Accu-keyer for almost as long before returning to the bug about a decade ago. I switch a lot between paddles and mechanical keys because paddles, especially the paddles on my KX1, are much more convenient in the field than either a hand pump or a bug. The fact that I'm using dual paddles doesn't seem to make any difference. I have the KXPD1 and a set of original Scotia magnetic paddles. The paddle spacing on the Scotia key is just about the same as either my Speed-X or Vibroplex bug. Of course the 'action' is a lot lighter on the paddles, but isn't that true of all paddles, single or dual-lever? Ron AC7AC ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Prospective K3 Owner
Joe G wrote: - Are there any tricks at any stage of the assembly that anyone has uncovered http://www.zerobeat.net/mediawiki/index.php/K3_Kit_Building 73, Barry N1EU -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Prospective-K3-Owner-tp785159p785590.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] Tricks to K3 assembly (WAS: Prospective K3 Owner)
One reason for the ever-present errata sent out with the manuals is that we're constantly monitoring feedback from builders and updating the assembly procedures accordingly. A quick scan of the link below shows all of the more significant items on the list are now a part of the current Rev. E K3 Assembly Manual. Be especially careful to use the right hardware everywhere. Some spare hardware is included because hardware has a wonderful ability to go hide at just the wrong time, but using the right size hardware is critical in some places. For example, using too-long screws for the plastic bezel around the LCD will break the LCD! The biggest and most important trick is to take your time. The check boxes are there for a reason. Check off *each* step after doing it *and* double-checking that you did everything in the step using the right hardware. One of the biggest difficulties people get into is skipping a step, then not finding out about it until they have invested considerable time troubleshooting after they thought they were done :-( Build your K3 just like you might handle old dynamite. Work slowly. Work carefully. Don't drop things :-) Ron AC7AC -Original Message- Joe G wrote: - Are there any tricks at any stage of the assembly that anyone has uncovered http://www.zerobeat.net/mediawiki/index.php/K3_Kit_Building 73, Barry N1EU -- ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Tricks to K3 assembly (WAS: Prospective K3 Owner)
My useful tool addition was merely a set of fine tweezers. I've got fat fingers at times (arthritis) and tweezers helped getting washers and screws into position numerous times. Otherwise my k3/10 assembly was completely without issues. I've previously built an ATS3, K2 and other miscellaneous gear and I completely enjoyed putting the K3 together. And operating it thus far has been a joy. 73 jim ab3cv ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Tricks to K3 assembly (WAS: Prospective K3 Owner)
I just received and built my K3/100 in the last week and overall it is a very easy build especially compared to the K2 which is a true stuff-board-and-solder kit. I very much echo those above that used egg cartons or some other container to separate the zillions of screws, nuts and washers. It takes a little time in the beginning but saves a lot during the actual build. Have as much room as possible as you will have a lot of pieces laying around waiting to be installed and plenty of light too. A magnetic screwdriver is a must as some of the screw locations can be tight. Use an anti-static mat and wristband if at all possible as zapping one of the boards would not be a good thing. Don't drink too much beer - it can spill and make vision blurry %-| Take your time and have fun. It's a fantastic rig. Now if I can only figure out what all those buttons and controls do.. 73, Bill NZ0T ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Prospective-K3-Owner-tp785159p785734.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] Tricks to K3 assembly (WAS: Prospective K3 Owner)
Measure twice, assemble once! Magnetic screwdrivere is a good idea, too. Receive Notifications of Incoming Messages Easily monitor multiple email accounts access them with a click. Visit http://www.inbox.com/notifier and check it out! ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Tricks to K3 assembly (WAS: Prospective K3 Owner)
I do not like egg cartons or muffin tins. These are to big for my work space. I like plastic ice cube trays. Dollar Store Cheap...many slots...can make ice after the build. Lee K0WA ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
RE: [Elecraft] 500 Hz filter measurement?
Is it likely my Xtal filter is as narrow as measurement shows or is it more likely something is wrong with my testing? Your test data is probably correct. My 500 Hz filter tests at 470 Hz. The -6 dB points are 230 Hz below and 240 Hz above the spot (center) frequency. I used 800 Hz as the center frequency with DSP set to 2800 Hz for testing to make sure that there was no offset or DSP low cut to color the results. I'll be making the same tests on two more 500 Hz filters with my second K3/KRX3 as soon as I have time to finish that build. 73, ... Joe, W4TV -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Ferguson Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 6:50 PM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] 500 Hz filter measurement? W4ZV wrote: You only need the two -6 dB points, which can be measured to a resolution of 1 Hz and 0.1 dB using the internal AFV/dBV function. You should set AGC Off and ensure WIDTH (i.e. the DSP BW) is than the filter you are measuring...otherwise you're measuring the combination of XFIL plus DSP. I do this by disabling all filters except the one under test and setting WIDTH XFIL BW. Once you have the two -6 dB points, then you can figure how much offset to enter so these two points are equidistant about the center. I used the above procedure to test my 500 Hz filter. The offset printed on the filter is -0.82 kHz. Testing shows the center frequency to be about 43 Hz low when using the above offset. I put -0.78 KHz in the filter configuration, and it tests centered now. The -6 dB bandwidth measured about 480 Hz. I have seen the nominal -6dB bandwidth of the 500 Hz filter listed as 565 Hz. When I am measuring the bandwidth, I have the DSP bandwidth set to 2.8 KHz. Since the DSP filter is fairly wide, I would not expect the cascading to have much affect on the Xtal filter bandwidth measurement. Is it likely my Xtal filter is as narrow as measurement shows or is it more likely something is wrong with my testing? Here is info about the test setup: PITCH = 600 AGC = off Mode = CW Only 500 Hz filter enabled 500 HZ filter Offset set to -0.82 KHz DSP BW = 2.80 RX EQ = reset to 0 for all EQ bands Center freq on K3 determined using CWT and Spot Sig source = HP sig generator at 50 microvolts 73, Paul Ferguson K5ESW Raleigh, NC ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Tricks to K3 assembly (WAS: Prospective K3 Owner)
I use 3 oz. paper cups to keep small parts in. I can move the one I am using to the front and as they get emptied, I can remove them from the work bench. Rick Dettinger K7MW On Aug 26, 2008, at 6:40 PM, Lee Buller wrote: I do not like egg cartons or muffin tins. These are to big for my work space. I like plastic ice cube trays. Dollar Store Cheap...many slots...can make ice after the build. Lee K0WA ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Tricks to K3 assembly (WAS: Prospective K3 Owner)
After knocking over a muffin tin full of parts more than once, I've discovered what works best for me are little reclosable (Ziploc) bags. The ones I like best are called 'snack bags' and are about 1/2 the size of a regular sandwich bag (6.5 wide x 3.25 high). There's plenty of room, they're see-thru, reusable, and if you knock one off the bench most of the parts stay in even if it's not sealed. A box of 100 are less than $3. 73 -- Joe KB8AP On Aug 26, 2008, at 6:40 PM, Lee Buller wrote: I do not like egg cartons or muffin tins. These are to big for my work space. I like plastic ice cube trays. Dollar Store Cheap...many slots...can make ice after the build. Lee K0WA ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] Wanted KAT100
Any one looking to sell one? Thanks George NE2I ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] K3/100 #1544 has arrived
My turn at last... Order placed 19-APR-08 Katiegram received 20-AUG-08 UPS delivered 26-AUG-08 For what it's worth, the delivery person did not collect a signature...just left the box behind a planter, rang the bell and ran. K3/100 (kit) KTCXO3-1 KAT3 KFL3A-2.1K KUSB MH2 ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
RE: [Elecraft] Prospective K3 Owner
On Tue, 2008-08-26 at 15:20, Julian, G4ILO wrote: Robert Brandon wrote: I used a muffin pan to sort out my hardware. ... My XYL started saving egg boxes for me after someone suggested the idea on this reflector. By the time the K3 actually arrived I had almost enough so each screw could have its own compartment. :) I found egg cartons to be seriously unstable. I accidentally flipped them a couple times and had to re-sort all the parts. Next time I use the egg carton method I will first nail them to a wood plank base. Al N1AL ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
