Re: [Elecraft] [K3] LPF DSP modification

2010-03-09 Thread Edward Dickinson, III
Per Elecraft's info, I have a pre-Rev. C DSP board (#1030).  Were there
pre-Rev. B DSP boards issued from Elecraft?  Other than schematics, is there
documentation available of the changes from Rev. B DSP to Rev. C DSP?

73, 
Dick - KA5KKT

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Yes, you can find them by comparing the January 2010 schematics 
to previous schematics.  The changes are similar to the W9AC mods 
but they involve scaling resistors instead of capacitors. 

73, 

   ... Joe, W4TV 

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 SO2R Question

2010-03-09 Thread Igor Sokolov
Thanks Don.

73, Igor UA9CDC


 Igor,

 Looking at the Elecraft website for K3 Mods and application notes, it says 
 *About 09/01/09 (RF board Rev H3)  and later.
 *The serial number is difficult to track because of the difference between 
 kit-built and factory assembled K3s.  The ship date is the most 
 significant tracking method for mods that are included.

 When in doubt, consult www.elecraft.com.

 73,
 Don W3FPR

 Igor Sokolov wrote:
 Starting what serial numbers please.

 73, Igor UA9CDC


 All New K3s for some time have had this change made at the factory
 before they ship.

 73, Eric


 On 3/8/2010 4:04 PM, Brett Howard wrote:

 http://www.elecraft.com/K3/mods/K3%20rx%20protection%20mod,%20rev%20B.pdf

 That document explains a mod that you should definitely make sure is
 in place in your radio if you're worried about this condition.  I had
 one of Q8 and Q9 blow in my radio after too much power came back in
 from another operator who told me he *WAS* staying off of 20 meter
 like to told him to do he was down on 14 meters!  ;)  Anyway we
 replaced the Q and the rig came back to life.  But if you view that
 document it says that when you get to +13 to +20dBm it will
 automatically engage the preamp for you.  +20dBm is 100mW so that
 would at least give you an added 10dB of protection on your way up to
 the 1-2W realm.

 ~Brett (KC7OTG)



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Re: [Elecraft] K3 SO2R Question

2010-03-09 Thread Jim Harris

Bob,

I live on a postage size lot so big antennas and lots of separation is not 
possible.  I usually run an ALS-500M amp.  My initial thought is to run both 
K3's on the same bands.  However, digging out mult's on different bands might 
be the way to go.  The same band idea came from my days with duel watch 
radio's.  It's all a growing and learning experience.  

I've looked at the ICE filters plus those from other companys.  I'm guessing at 
this point the more isolation (expensive) filters would be better.  I've 
discovered in the last day or so that when signal levels are over about 
S9+30/40 the K3 receiver goes strangely quiet and no bars on the S-meter are 
light.  It takes from a few seconds to a minute or so to recover.

Thank you for your suggestions.

CU in the Colorado QSO Party Sept 4th, 2010.

73,  Jim, W0EM




 From: w...@w5ov.com
 To: w...@q.com; elecraft@mailman.qth.net
 Subject: RE: [Elecraft] K3 SO2R Question
 Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 17:20:49 -0600
 
 Jim,
 
 Are you asking if you can run high power SO2R and do so safely without
 bandpass filters? You didn't mention what power level, and this makes a huge
 difference.
 
 You can use ICE bandpass filters (-30 to -35db) which are relatively cheap
 (~$40 each). Their performance is not as good as W3NQN design filters (-75db
 to -80db) which are the ones that cost big bucks(~$99 each). If you allocate
 one radio to doing say 160, 40 and 15 and the other to doing 80, 20 and 10m,
 you could get by with just one set of 6 bandpass filters.
 
 While bandpass filters have a by-product of protecting your radio's front
 end, that's not all they do. The filter on the transmitter limits what gets
 out and the filter on the receiver limits what gets in - so having a filter
 on each radio increases the benefit. This is more of a practical operational
 thing than being protective. 
 
 Also, when you say separation of frequencies within the band do you intend
 to run both radios on the same band? Needless to say, bandpass filters will
 not be of any use if you do this. The key here is physical separation of
 your antennas so that the coupling between the two is minimized.
 
 Bob W5OV
 
 P.S. ICE has a new owner and is delivering product again much more quickly.
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net
 [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Jim Harris
 Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 4:03 PM
 To: Elecraft Email
 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 SO2R Question
 
 
 Hi Folks,
 
 I'm currently selling an off-shore rig with the hopes of acquiring a second
 K3 for SO2R, primarily for RTTY contesting.  I believe I've seen somewhere
 in the not to distant past that is was said the K3 receive front end can
 withstand 1-2 watts without damage.  I've spent the last hour reviewing the
 email archive and can find no reference to that.  Can anyone confirm or deny
 my remembrance?  (Or, is it all just wishful thinking?)  Is there anyone on
 the reflector that is operating a K3 SO2R station without the thousand or so
 dollars of band pass filters needed to protect the radio's front end?
 
 Second part of the question is.if possible to not damage the front end,
 what is the possibility of desensing or causing blocking or noise that would
 interfere with reception on one receiver when transmitting on the other
 radio.  I'm sure that is highly dependent on band(s) and separation of
 frequencies within the band.  I'll fully aware of the K3's ability to
 completely block signals a few kilohertz away but when RTTY contesting I do
 seem to notice there may be some desensing or AGC action from these signals
 even though they are not heard or processed by MMTTY.
 
 Comments very much appreciated.
 
 CU in the Colorado QSO Party Sept 4th, 2010.
 
 73,  Jim, W0EM
 
 
 
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[Elecraft] EQP (Elecraft QSO Party) this weekend -- rules updated

2010-03-09 Thread Wayne Burdick
Please join us for the Elecraft QSO party, 1800z March 13 to 1800z  
March 14. It's open to everyone -- no Elecraft rig required. Complete  
rules can be found at

 http://www.elecraft.com/Awards/eqp_2010.htm

The object is to have fun, work old and new friends, work new S/P/C's  
(States/Provinces/Countries), and optionally collect some Elecraft rig  
serial numbers.

You can also work toward an Elecraft WAS or CC award:

 http://www.elecraft.com/elecraft_awards.htm

There's one minor change to the EQP rules this year: The recommended  
SSB frequency on 20 meters is 14250 +/- kHz.

If you have questions about the rules, please send them to n6kr at  
elecraft dot com.

73,
Wayne, N6KR
Eric, WA6HHQ


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Re: [Elecraft] K3 SO2R Question

2010-03-09 Thread Jim Harris

Tony,

Thank you for the link.  Those are not the exact words I remember but they 
contribute to my understanding.  I received my K3 in early September 2009 and 
it has the mod.

CU in the Colorado QSO Party Sept 4th, 2010.

73,  Jim, W0EM




 Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 18:33:34 -0500
 From: jafe...@rogers.com
 To: w...@q.com
 CC: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 SO2R Question
 
 Hi Jim,
 
   I think this is the thread you are looking for:
  
 http://n2.nabble.com/KRX3-Overload-Protection-on-160M-td3814157.html#a3814157 
 
 
   Hope this helps.
 73
   
 Tony Fegan VE3QF
 
 
 Jim Harris wrote:
  Hi Folks,
  
  I'm currently selling an off-shore rig with the hopes of acquiring a
  second K3 for SO2R, primarily for RTTY contesting.  I believe I've
  seen somewhere in the not to distant past that is was said the K3
  receive front end can withstand 1-2 watts without damage.  I've spent
  the last hour reviewing the email archive and can find no reference
  to that.  Can anyone confirm or deny my remembrance?  (Or, is it all
  just wishful thinking?)  Is there anyone on the reflector that is
  operating a K3 SO2R station without the thousand or so dollars of
  band pass filters needed to protect the radio's front end?
  
  Second part of the question is.if possible to not damage the
  front end, what is the possibility of desensing or causing blocking
  or noise that would interfere with reception on one receiver when
  transmitting on the other radio.  I'm sure that is highly dependent
  on band(s) and separation of frequencies within the band.  I'll fully
  aware of the K3's ability to completely block signals a few kilohertz
  away but when RTTY contesting I do seem to notice there may be some
  desensing or AGC action from these signals even though they are not
  heard or processed by MMTTY.
  
  Comments very much appreciated.
  
  CU in the Colorado QSO Party Sept 4th, 2010.
  
  73,  Jim, W0EM
  
  
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 SO2R Question

2010-03-09 Thread Jim Harris

Brett,

Thank you for the link.  As I mentioned in a reply to someone else my radio has 
the mod.  In lieu of any definitive statement from Elecraft it probably would 
be best to go in the safer direction of using filters.

CU in the Colorado QSO Party Sept 4th, 2010.

73,  Jim, W0EM




 From: br...@livecomputers.com
 Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 16:04:28 -0800
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 SO2R Question
 To: w...@q.com
 CC: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
 
 http://www.elecraft.com/K3/mods/K3%20rx%20protection%20mod,%20rev%20B.pdf
 
 That document explains a mod that you should definitely make sure is
 in place in your radio if you're worried about this condition.  I had
 one of Q8 and Q9 blow in my radio after too much power came back in
 from another operator who told me he *WAS* staying off of 20 meter
 like to told him to do he was down on 14 meters!  ;)  Anyway we
 replaced the Q and the rig came back to life.  But if you view that
 document it says that when you get to +13 to +20dBm it will
 automatically engage the preamp for you.  +20dBm is 100mW so that
 would at least give you an added 10dB of protection on your way up to
 the 1-2W realm.
 
 ~Brett (KC7OTG)
 
 On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 2:03 PM, Jim Harris w...@q.com wrote:
 
  Hi Folks,
 
  I'm currently selling an off-shore rig with the hopes of acquiring a second 
  K3 for SO2R, primarily for RTTY contesting.  I believe I've seen somewhere 
  in the not to distant past that is was said the K3 receive front end can 
  withstand 1-2 watts without damage.  I've spent the last hour reviewing the 
  email archive and can find no reference to that.  Can anyone confirm or 
  deny my remembrance?  (Or, is it all just wishful thinking?)  Is there 
  anyone on the reflector that is operating a K3 SO2R station without the 
  thousand or so dollars of band pass filters needed to protect the radio's 
  front end?
 
  Second part of the question is.if possible to not damage the front end, 
  what is the possibility of desensing or causing blocking or noise that 
  would interfere with reception on one receiver when transmitting on the 
  other radio.  I'm sure that is highly dependent on band(s) and separation 
  of frequencies within the band.  I'll fully aware of the K3's ability to 
  completely block signals a few kilohertz away but when RTTY contesting I do 
  seem to notice there may be some desensing or AGC action from these signals 
  even though they are not heard or processed by MMTTY.
 
  Comments very much appreciated.
 
  CU in the Colorado QSO Party Sept 4th, 2010.
 
  73,  Jim, W0EM
 
 
 
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 SO2R Question

2010-03-09 Thread WILLIS COOKE
Jim, for single band operation the sub-receiver works very well and does not 
need additional filters.  If you find a mult on the sub, just stop your CQ, tap 
A/B, make your call, then tap A/B and go back to CQ.  You don't need another K3 
on the same band for that.
 Willis 'Cookie' Cooke 
K5EWJ 





From: Jim Harris w...@q.com
To: w...@w5ov.com; Elecraft Email elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Sent: Tue, March 9, 2010 11:08:42 AM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 SO2R Question


Bob,

I live on a postage size lot so big antennas and lots of separation is not 
possible.  I usually run an ALS-500M amp.  My initial thought is to run both 
K3's on the same bands.  However, digging out mult's on different bands might 
be the way to go.  The same band idea came from my days with duel watch 
radio's.  It's all a growing and learning experience.  

I've looked at the ICE filters plus those from other companys.  I'm guessing at 
this point the more isolation (expensive) filters would be better.  I've 
discovered in the last day or so that when signal levels are over about 
S9+30/40 the K3 receiver goes strangely quiet and no bars on the S-meter are 
light.  It takes from a few seconds to a minute or so to recover.

Thank you for your suggestions.

CU in the Colorado QSO Party Sept 4th, 2010.

73,  Jim, W0EM




 From: w...@w5ov.com
 To: w...@q.com; elecraft@mailman.qth.net
 Subject: RE: [Elecraft] K3 SO2R Question
 Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 17:20:49 -0600
 
 Jim,
 
 Are you asking if you can run high power SO2R and do so safely without
 bandpass filters? You didn't mention what power level, and this makes a huge
 difference.
 
 You can use ICE bandpass filters (-30 to -35db) which are relatively cheap
 (~$40 each). Their performance is not as good as W3NQN design filters (-75db
 to -80db) which are the ones that cost big bucks(~$99 each). If you allocate
 one radio to doing say 160, 40 and 15 and the other to doing 80, 20 and 10m,
 you could get by with just one set of 6 bandpass filters.
 
 While bandpass filters have a by-product of protecting your radio's front
 end, that's not all they do. The filter on the transmitter limits what gets
 out and the filter on the receiver limits what gets in - so having a filter
 on each radio increases the benefit. This is more of a practical operational
 thing than being protective. 
 
 Also, when you say separation of frequencies within the band do you intend
 to run both radios on the same band? Needless to say, bandpass filters will
 not be of any use if you do this. The key here is physical separation of
 your antennas so that the coupling between the two is minimized.
 
 Bob W5OV
 
 P.S. ICE has a new owner and is delivering product again much more quickly.
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net
 [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Jim Harris
 Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 4:03 PM
 To: Elecraft Email
 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 SO2R Question
 
 
 Hi Folks,
 
 I'm currently selling an off-shore rig with the hopes of acquiring a second
 K3 for SO2R, primarily for RTTY contesting.  I believe I've seen somewhere
 in the not to distant past that is was said the K3 receive front end can
 withstand 1-2 watts without damage.  I've spent the last hour reviewing the
 email archive and can find no reference to that.  Can anyone confirm or deny
 my remembrance?  (Or, is it all just wishful thinking?)  Is there anyone on
 the reflector that is operating a K3 SO2R station without the thousand or so
 dollars of band pass filters needed to protect the radio's front end?
 
 Second part of the question is.if possible to not damage the front end,
 what is the possibility of desensing or causing blocking or noise that would
 interfere with reception on one receiver when transmitting on the other
 radio.  I'm sure that is highly dependent on band(s) and separation of
 frequencies within the band.  I'll fully aware of the K3's ability to
 completely block signals a few kilohertz away but when RTTY contesting I do
 seem to notice there may be some desensing or AGC action from these signals
 even though they are not heard or processed by MMTTY.
 
 Comments very much appreciated.
 
 CU in the Colorado QSO Party Sept 4th, 2010.
 
 73,  Jim, W0EM
 
 
                          
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Re: [Elecraft] DSP Board Modification

2010-03-09 Thread Hunter Ellington
Greetings to the list.  I recently purchased a K3, serial number in the late 
800's.  I absolutely love the radio so far.  My question is, is the DSP 
performance really improved with the new board when you factor the cost?

 WB9NJB R. Hunter Ellington
303-454-0543/720-560-8139
P.O. Box 44
Larkspur, CO 80118





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   2. Re: K3 SO2R Question (Don Wilhelm)
   3. Re: K3 SO2R Question (Igor Sokolov)
   4. Re: [K3] LPF DSP modification (Edward Dickinson, III)


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[Elecraft] [K3] S-meter unresponsive

2010-03-09 Thread John Harper
I'm to the point of installing the 100w PA assembly but have been trying to 
resolve the s-meter issue...

Whether attached to an antenna  tuned to weak, strong or no signals or no 
antenna attached at all - the S meter reads the same: 1 LCD on and an 
additional LCD flickering with the default values.

A calibrated Gigatronics 2420M set at -73 dBm (which I believe is 50uV into 50 
ohms) gives the same indication.

SMTR SC has no effect at all on the S meter reading.
SMTR OF raises the meter reading to 4 LCDs/1 flickering, but this reading then 
stays the same even when I turn the Gigatronics off.

So the S meter is not responding to any change in input levels - varying the 
Gigs output level confirms this.

Suggestions gratefully received! Thanks and 73,

John Harper AE5X
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[Elecraft] Any Consideration of a Receive Only K3?

2010-03-09 Thread Dave Rickmers
A version minus the 12 Watt exciter would be very easy to implement, 
would it not?  The SWL BCBDXer community is interested.  The DSP 
synchronous detector will be a major attraction for shortwave listeners.

Dave Rickmers
KD6IL
K3 #3842
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Re: [Elecraft] DSP Board Modification

2010-03-09 Thread Don Wilhelm
Hunter,

The DSP performance is unchanged with the new DSP board.  The only thing 
that changes is the audio response - extended low frequency response and 
the addition of a Low Pass audio filter.  The audio path is on the DSP 
board, but has nothing to do with the DSP itself.

73,
Don W3FPR

Hunter Ellington wrote:
 Greetings to the list.  I recently purchased a K3, serial number in the late 
 800's.  I absolutely love the radio so far.  My question is, is the DSP 
 performance really improved with the new board when you factor the cost?

  WB9NJB R. Hunter Ellington
 303-454-0543/720-560-8139
 P.O. Box 44
 Larkspur, CO 80118




 
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Re: [Elecraft] Any Consideration of a Receive Only K3?

2010-03-09 Thread pd0psb

I applaude any company presenting a new receiver, but it seems to have become
a very unprofitable or uncertain market. On the other hand you might say a
receiver is a step-up platform for future hams who will choose a tranceiver
with receiver brand experience.

The last Icom ham receiver was the R75? The last Yaesu the FRG100? The
last Kenwood the R5000? The last Drake? It's such a pity the receiver market
declined so much. Personally I listen 95 percent of the time.

I agree it would be brave and very respectable if Elecraft would present a
serious receiver based on the company's proven technology.

The good news: AOR and (ex Lowe's/AR7030) John Thorpe will be releasing a
new HF receiver soon.
And it will be one WITH knobs :-)

73'
Paul
PD0PSB




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[Elecraft] Recievers

2010-03-09 Thread KARL MARDERIAN
  I love good receivers. I have a Yaesue FRG 7 and a Sony 7600GR. I would be 
great if Elecraft made a version of the K3. Without amp and no Sub receiver. It 
should be in the high hundreds for the kit and close to a grant for ready to 
go. With the extra room one would be able to batters?
Karl N6XVT
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Re: [Elecraft] Any Consideration of a Receive Only K3?

2010-03-09 Thread Rick Tavan N6XI
I doubt that a receive-only K3 would cost significantly less than a K3/10.
Unless there are licensing issues in a particular country, an SWL could buy
a K3/10 with a sub-receiver and enjoy full diversity reception today. Just
be careful not to transmit.

/Rick N6XI

On 3/9/10, Dave Rickmers ricke...@dslextreme.com wrote:

 A version minus the 12 Watt exciter would be very easy to implement,
 would it not?  The SWL BCBDXer community is interested.  The DSP
 synchronous detector will be a major attraction for shortwave listeners.


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Re: [Elecraft] EQP (Elecraft QSO Party) this weekend -- rules updated

2010-03-09 Thread Hector Padron
Why don't you chose a freq for 40M overnight,after 2200Z the 20M band will be 
closed in our hemisphere but after that hour 40M is open to Europe and Africa 
easy.Give it a thought.
 
AD4C
 


For a refined ham it is compulsory to own a k3

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From: Wayne Burdick n...@elecraft.com
Subject: [Elecraft] EQP (Elecraft QSO Party) this weekend -- rules updated
To: Elecraft Reflector elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Cc: QRP-L qr...@mailman.qth.net, elecraft...@yahoogroups.com, 
elecr...@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, March 9, 2010, 5:11 PM


Please join us for the Elecraft QSO party, 1800z March 13 to 1800z  
March 14. It's open to everyone -- no Elecraft rig required. Complete  
rules can be found at

     http://www.elecraft.com/Awards/eqp_2010.htm    

The object is to have fun, work old and new friends, work new S/P/C's  
(States/Provinces/Countries), and optionally collect some Elecraft rig  
serial numbers.

You can also work toward an Elecraft WAS or CC award:

     http://www.elecraft.com/elecraft_awards.htm

There's one minor change to the EQP rules this year: The recommended  
SSB frequency on 20 meters is 14250 +/- kHz.

If you have questions about the rules, please send them to n6kr at  
elecraft dot com.

73,
Wayne, N6KR
Eric, WA6HHQ


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Re: [Elecraft] Any Consideration of a Receive Only K3?

2010-03-09 Thread Grant Youngman
If I were looking for a little receive only thingie, I would buy a Perseus or 
something similar.  Or an R-390, but I realize there's the risk of spinal 
injury with something that hefty.  I have one, so I don't need another receive 
only thing, although back surgery is something I might consider if I ever have 
to move it from the operating table :-)

Grant/NQ5T


On Mar 9, 2010, at 3:06 PM, Rick Tavan N6XI wrote:

 I doubt that a receive-only K3 would cost significantly less than a K3/10.
 Unless there are licensing issues in a particular country, an SWL could buy
 a K3/10 with a sub-receiver and enjoy full diversity reception today. Just
 be careful not to transmit.
 

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Re: [Elecraft] Any Consideration of a Receive Only K3?

2010-03-09 Thread Guy Olinger K2AV
 A version minus the 12 Watt exciter would be very easy to implement,
 would it not?  The SWL BCBDXer community is interested.  The DSP
 synchronous detector will be a major attraction for shortwave listeners.

You have looked at the schematic and seen how much stuff is switched
back and forth for TX/RX?

Easy to implement until one counted in the cost of a SEPARATE
manufacturing run of mainboards, a SEPARATE manual, SEPARATE assembly
instructions for kit form, a SEPARATE firmware that understood that
there were no transmit functions, a SEPARATE silk-screening for the
case, SEPARATE code for firmware, SEPARATE maintenance, a SEPARATE
approach for the audio as the listeners are going to want high end
audio, and I doubt that is close to a complete list.

...and all that for a niche that most manufacturers have abandoned?
Why did they abandon it? Maybe because demand did not pay for
manufacturing?

You are kidding, no?

Let them buy a K3/10 and have the incentive for getting a license
sitting in front of them.

Let Wayne work on firmware and P3's and new ham stuff.

73, Guy.
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Re: [Elecraft] Any Consideration of a Receive Only K3?

2010-03-09 Thread Grant Youngman
Couldn't agree more.  I suspect a receive only K3 is a non-starter, for a lot 
of reasons, not the least of which is waning SWBC activity (which is a real 
shame, although there is still some good stuff out there if you're willing to 
look for it).  Unless you want to just listen to some hoarse and sweaty 
preacher telling you where you're going to go after you can't go anywhere 
anymore for hours on end (and why Obama is going to send you there personally) 
unless you send him (the preacher) a whole lot of unmarked non-sequential $100 
bills in a plain brown bag -- or whatever he's collecting in the equivalent of 
Indulgences these days ;-)  Old stories never die -- they're just reinvented by 
the opportunist du jour.

Grant/NQ5T


On Mar 9, 2010, at 3:58 PM, Guy Olinger K2AV wrote:

 
 
 Let Wayne work on firmware and P3's and new ham stuff.
 
 73, Guy.
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Re: [Elecraft] EQP (Elecraft QSO Party) this weekend -- rules updated

2010-03-09 Thread Don Wilhelm
Hector,

That is not the only frequency/mode or band.
That was just an announcement of a *change* from last years rules.  
There is a frequency for each band on the website link that was provided 
- see http://www.elecraft.com/Awards/eqp_2010.htm.

73,
Don W3FPR

Hector Padron wrote:
 Why don't you chose a freq for 40M overnight,after 2200Z the 20M band will be 
 closed in our hemisphere but after that hour 40M is open to Europe and Africa 
 easy.Give it a thought.
  
 AD4C
  


 For a refined ham it is compulsory to own a k3

 --- On Tue, 3/9/10, Wayne Burdick n...@elecraft.com wrote:


 From: Wayne Burdick n...@elecraft.com
 Subject: [Elecraft] EQP (Elecraft QSO Party) this weekend -- rules updated
 To: Elecraft Reflector elecraft@mailman.qth.net
 Cc: QRP-L qr...@mailman.qth.net, elecraft...@yahoogroups.com, 
 elecr...@yahoogroups.com
 Date: Tuesday, March 9, 2010, 5:11 PM


 Please join us for the Elecraft QSO party, 1800z March 13 to 1800z  
 March 14. It's open to everyone -- no Elecraft rig required. Complete  
 rules can be found at

  http://www.elecraft.com/Awards/eqp_2010.htm

 The object is to have fun, work old and new friends, work new S/P/C's  
 (States/Provinces/Countries), and optionally collect some Elecraft rig  
 serial numbers.

 You can also work toward an Elecraft WAS or CC award:

  http://www.elecraft.com/elecraft_awards.htm

 There's one minor change to the EQP rules this year: The recommended  
 SSB frequency on 20 meters is 14250 +/- kHz.

 If you have questions about the rules, please send them to n6kr at  
 elecraft dot com.

 73,
 Wayne, N6KR
 Eric, WA6HHQ


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[Elecraft] [K3]Microphone socket wobble

2010-03-09 Thread ab2tc

Hi all,

My front microphone connector has always had a fairly significant wobble in
it. Partly because of that and partly to get rid of the clutter, I have
finally moved my Heil proset and the footswitch to the back. So this is no
longer a big deal. Now that the socket is naked I notice that when I rock
the outer ring of the connector, the pins inside do not rock with it. I
bought the rig assembled, so I haven't personally seen how the connector
assembly works. I am guessing that the pins are soldered to the FP board and
that the board is not moving anything to speak of. Is the outer sleeve not
anchored to the board at all? Is there anything that can be done about this?
I am entertaining the idea of having a 2nd mic attached to the front
connector, but frankly the wobble does bother me.

AB2TC - Knut
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Re: [Elecraft] [K3]Microphone socket wobble

2010-03-09 Thread lstavenhagen

Don't know if this applies to the K3, but the outer ring on my K2 is loose
like that too. I couldn't get the plug far enough into the board to lock it
down. I didn't feel like breaking anything so soon as I got it as far as
it'd go I soldered 'er in.

maybe this is by design for the mic plug?

73,
LS
W5QD
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Re: [Elecraft] [K3]Microphone socket wobble

2010-03-09 Thread Don Wilhelm
Knut,

Not to worry, it is just the shell that is moving - If you purchase a 
bare mic jack, you can see that the plastic assembly to which the pins 
are mounted are not held rigidly to the shell.
If you want to fix it, remove the front panel, scrape away a bit of the 
solder mask at the base of the mic jack shell, use a soldering iron with 
a large tip and apply heat until the shell of the jack can melt solder a 
bit away from the iron loaction, then pool some solder between the mic 
jack shell and the ground plane of the front panel board.  That will not 
only anchor the shell tightly in place, but will also ground the shield.
Most microphones do not use the jack shell for grounding, but there may 
be some unusual mics with shielded cable that do connect to the shell.
If you have one of those unusual ones, then you should definitely ground 
the mic jack shell.  I have been doing that on all K2s that I repair if 
they have the KSB2 option installed, just in case a customer is using 
one of those unusual mics.
If you wonder whether your microphone connects an overall shield to the 
shell of the mic plug, check out your mic at G4WPW's website 
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/rg4wpw/date.html - he has compiled an 
impressive list of microphone wiring information.

73,
Don W3FPR

ab2tc wrote:
 Hi all,

 My front microphone connector has always had a fairly significant wobble in
 it. Partly because of that and partly to get rid of the clutter, I have
 finally moved my Heil proset and the footswitch to the back. So this is no
 longer a big deal. Now that the socket is naked I notice that when I rock
 the outer ring of the connector, the pins inside do not rock with it. I
 bought the rig assembled, so I haven't personally seen how the connector
 assembly works. I am guessing that the pins are soldered to the FP board and
 that the board is not moving anything to speak of. Is the outer sleeve not
 anchored to the board at all? Is there anything that can be done about this?
 I am entertaining the idea of having a 2nd mic attached to the front
 connector, but frankly the wobble does bother me.
   

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Re: [Elecraft] Any Consideration of a Receive Only K3?

2010-03-09 Thread Alan Bloom
On Tue, 2010-03-09 at 13:06 -0800, Rick Tavan N6XI wrote:
 I doubt that a receive-only K3 would cost significantly less than a K3/10.

Looking at the schematics, it looks to me like it would save the 12W
power amplifier, some $2 relays, the T/R switching circuitry, and
several connectors.  I doubt if the savings in parts would be enough to
pay for the re-engineering involved when amortized over the number of
units sold.

 Unless there are licensing issues in a particular country, an SWL could buy
 a K3/10 with a sub-receiver and enjoy full diversity reception today. Just
 be careful not to transmit.

I agree.  A QRP K3 with suitable options makes a pretty cost-effective
high-performance SWL receiver just as it is.

Al N1AL



 /Rick N6XI
 
 On 3/9/10, Dave Rickmers ricke...@dslextreme.com wrote:
 
  A version minus the 12 Watt exciter would be very easy to implement,
  would it not?  The SWL BCBDXer community is interested.  The DSP
  synchronous detector will be a major attraction for shortwave listeners.
 
 


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[Elecraft] Serial #4019 is on the air, and I have a few questions...

2010-03-09 Thread MeLikeyTacos

Hello everyone,
I ordered a K3/100 Feb. 22, received it yesterday March 8.  I've been
messing around with it and now have it on the air in a basic fashion, but I
have a few questions regarding how to set it up further.

For starters, I got the Proset K2 headset with it.  I was under the
impression that I could use the microphone/headphone jacks in the rear, but
this doesn't seem to be the case.  When trying to use the rear jack, even
with the mic gain all the way up I can't hear myself in the monitor, and it
only outputs around 5W on voice peaks when set at 100W.  I've read the
manual for both the radio and the headset and am using the settings
specified.  Also in the manual I saw a reference to changing the voice
transmit gain using the CONFIG: TXG VOICE menu setting, but I can't find
that setting in the config menu.  I eventually gave up and started using the
8-pin adapter for the front mic jack, and now it works, but looks ugly.  I
would much rather use the rear jack.

Second issue is getting the K3 connected to my Drake L-4B amp, specifically
the ALC connection.  Since I bought the 6 meter preamp I already have the
15-pin ACC connector, and I was going to just attach an ALC lead to that
connector.  It looks like I need to use pins 15 and 12, correct?  

Also with the ALC function, in the manual on page 27 it says External ALC
is set up using the CONFIG:EXT ALC menu entry.  However, like with the
CONFIG: TXG VOICE, for the life of me I cannot find that menu entry in
either of the menus.  Am I missing something or is it simply not there?

So those are my two hiccups so far, otherwise I am really enjoying the
radio.  And if any of you are also using a Drake L-4B with your K3, I'd love
to hear any tips/advice/settings I should be aware of.

Thanks!
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Re: [Elecraft] Any Consideration of a Receive Only K3?

2010-03-09 Thread Rob May

Maybe just a software change to disable transmit for areas where unlicensed 
persons can't have one.  I agree, the cost savings of leaving out the transmit 
circuitry is not worth the redesign effort.  The K3/10 is not outrageously 
priced compared to other high end SW receivers.
Rob
NV5E

 From: n...@cds1.net
 To: rta...@gmail.com
 Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2010 15:36:03 -0800
 CC: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Any Consideration of a Receive Only K3?
 
 On Tue, 2010-03-09 at 13:06 -0800, Rick Tavan N6XI wrote:
  I doubt that a receive-only K3 would cost significantly less than a K3/10.
 
 Looking at the schematics, it looks to me like it would save the 12W
 power amplifier, some $2 relays, the T/R switching circuitry, and
 several connectors.  I doubt if the savings in parts would be enough to
 pay for the re-engineering involved when amortized over the number of
 units sold.
 
  Unless there are licensing issues in a particular country, an SWL could buy
  a K3/10 with a sub-receiver and enjoy full diversity reception today. Just
  be careful not to transmit.
 
 I agree.  A QRP K3 with suitable options makes a pretty cost-effective
 high-performance SWL receiver just as it is.
 
 Al N1AL
 
 
 
  /Rick N6XI
  
  On 3/9/10, Dave Rickmers ricke...@dslextreme.com wrote:
  
   A version minus the 12 Watt exciter would be very easy to implement,
   would it not?  The SWL BCBDXer community is interested.  The DSP
   synchronous detector will be a major attraction for shortwave listeners.
  
  
 
 
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[Elecraft] [K2] single tone test - output seems amplitude-modulated

2010-03-09 Thread dl0tuh

Hi,

my question originates from recent one in this list, but I'd like to put it
in into 
a new thread, to avoid confusions.

Intending to do a two-tone test of my K2, I decided to try a 1000 Hz single
tone 
first. On the ocsilloscope on antenna jack I expected a signal much like
when holding 
key down in CW.

Instead, I get something like an AM signal. It's modulated with the
frequency of the 
single tone test signal.

http://www.mydarc.de/dl2ipu/kpa100/barefoot/AntJack_1_watt_1_tone_1000Hz.jpg
AntJack_1_watt_1_tone_1000Hz.jpg 

To see if it is really the test tone frequency or may be +-50 or 100 Hz, I
checked
RF board D9 cathode (out detector) and registered 1kHz sine overlayed on DC
level.
 
http://www.mydarc.de/dl2ipu/kpa100/barefoot/RF_D9_catode_1_watt_1_tone_1000Hz.jpg
RF_D9_catode_1_watt_1_tone_1000Hz.jpg 

I varied the test tone and cross-checked oscilloscope's time base, it really
seems to 
be the test tone frequency.

Emitter of Q8 on control board (ALC) has a constant level.

In CW - nice constant amplitude and usual K2's outstanding shaping.

I hope somebody can help me explaining the first oscillogram - where is this
AM 
coming from?

I did balance the carrier on KSB2 successfully. With mic jack disconnected,
RF 
amplitude is less than 100mV (checked both with the same scope probe and
K2's RF 
probe). Filters were aligned with noise generator and Spectran, lower
roll-off freq of FL1
is about 400 Hz.

Test conditions: PC as tone generator, K2 power set to 1 watt, CAL probe
removed, 40m 
band, both LSB and USB tried, ALC shows one LED, dummy load on antenna jack,
K2 
powered from a 12V 7Ah battery. KPA100 removed; KSB2, KNB2 and K160RX are
in.

73! Oleg

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Re: [Elecraft] Any Consideration of a Receive Only K3?

2010-03-09 Thread Doug Faunt N6TQS +1-510-655-8604
I agree that the hardware savings would be minimal, but yet another
firmware option that would be a global TX disable might make somone
who wanted to use it as a SWL RX more comfortable.

Or would just pulling the PA jumper be enough?  That'd disable TX
effectively, I think.
73, doug



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Re: [Elecraft] [K3]Microphone socket wobble

2010-03-09 Thread ab2tc

I might want to do that. Is there any truth to the rumor that this can be
accessed by removing the left side panel only? I really don't want to got
through the front panel disassembly and reassembly.

AB2TC - Knut


Don Wilhelm-4 wrote:
 
 Knut,
 
 Not to worry, it is just the shell that is moving - If you purchase a 
 bare mic jack, you can see that the plastic assembly to which the pins 
 are mounted are not held rigidly to the shell.
 If you want to fix it, remove the front panel, scrape away 
 snip
 
 

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Re: [Elecraft] Fwd: QSO party rules link broken

2010-03-09 Thread Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft
The correct link is:

http://www.elecraft.com/Awards/eqp_2010.htm

I just tested it and it works. Oddly, Wayne's looks identical on first 
blush, but it does not work. The embedded link you get when clicking on 
it actually has some additional non-printing characters included at the 
end that make it invalid. Copying the embedded link to my notepad editor 
shows:
http://www.elecraft.com/Awards/eqp_2010.htm%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0

Try the simpler one above :-)

73, Eric  WA6HHQ
--


 *From: *G3TJP g3...@lanks.plus.com mailto:g3...@lanks.plus.com
 *Date: *March 9, 2010 3:31:56 PM PST
 *Subject: **QSO party rules link*
 *Reply-To: *G3TJP g3...@arrl.net mailto:g3...@arrl.net


 Wayne, the link in your post comes up with webpage cannot be found.
 73  DaveL  G3TJP

 http://www.elecraft.com/Awards/eqp_2010.htm 
 http://www.elecraft.com/Awards/eqp_2010.htm%A0%A0%A0

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Re: [Elecraft] [K3]Microphone socket wobble

2010-03-09 Thread Don Wilhelm
Knut,

On the K2, you may access the mic jack by removing only the left side 
panel,but on the K3, I believe you must remove the front panel assembly 
to gain access to the base of the mic jack - you do not have to remove 
the front panel from its metal enclosure, nor do you need to remove the 
DSP board.

If you look at K3_Application_Note_Front_Panel_Microphone_Grounding.pdf 
on the Elecraft website, you can see how to gain access.  Lok carefully 
at Figure 4 on page 2, and you will see that the microphone jack shell 
is grounded by a wire in the K3.  That wire provides the grounding that 
I mentioned, however it does not provide mechanical stability for the 
mic jack shell (which is not important IMHO, but may ba a problem to 
some other folks).  Soldering the shell to the ground plane will provide 
the lack of wobble that some may desire.

73,
Don W3FPR

ab2tc wrote:
 I might want to do that. Is there any truth to the rumor that this can be
 accessed by removing the left side panel only? I really don't want to got
 through the front panel disassembly and reassembly.

 AB2TC - Knut
   

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Re: [Elecraft] [K2] single tone test - output seems amplitude-modulated

2010-03-09 Thread Geoffrey Mackenzie-Kennedy
Hi Oleg,

One possible cause for the modulation you see could be a test tone harmonic 
generated by your PC, or by the K2's audio circuits.

If, for example, your PC is generating a 1000 Hz  test tone *and* a 2000 Hz 
harmonic, then the output of the transmitter in SSB mode will be a carrier 
modulated by a 1000 Hz signal. The output carrier is the 1000 Hz tone 
translated up to RF, and the 1000 Hz modulation is caused by the 2000 Hz 
harmonic translated up to RF.

Can you look at the output spectrum of your PC when it is generating a 1000 
Hz test tone (disconnected from the K2) and measure the level of any 
harmonics relative to the level of the 1000 Hz tone?

73,

Geoff
GM4ESD



dl0tuh wrote on Wednesday, March 10, 2010 at 12:00 AM:

snip


  I hope somebody can help me explaining the first oscillogram - where is 
this
 AM
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Re: [Elecraft] Serial #4019 is on the air, and I have a few questions...

2010-03-09 Thread Don Wilhelm
Did you turn bias on for the rear panel mic jack?  It sounds like the 
typical problem when an electret type mic is used and bias is not applied.

I would strongly suggest using your amp without any ALC connection.  
Using external ALC to control the power output only results in 
distortion and splatter.  The K3 has adequate controls on the output 
power to assure that your amplifier stays within its linear range.

73,
Don W3FPR

MeLikeyTacos wrote:
 Hello everyone,
 I ordered a K3/100 Feb. 22, received it yesterday March 8.  I've been
 messing around with it and now have it on the air in a basic fashion, but I
 have a few questions regarding how to set it up further.

 For starters, I got the Proset K2 headset with it.  I was under the
 impression that I could use the microphone/headphone jacks in the rear, but
 this doesn't seem to be the case.  When trying to use the rear jack, even
 with the mic gain all the way up I can't hear myself in the monitor, and it
 only outputs around 5W on voice peaks when set at 100W.  I've read the
 manual for both the radio and the headset and am using the settings
 specified.  Also in the manual I saw a reference to changing the voice
 transmit gain using the CONFIG: TXG VOICE menu setting, but I can't find
 that setting in the config menu.  I eventually gave up and started using the
 8-pin adapter for the front mic jack, and now it works, but looks ugly.  I
 would much rather use the rear jack.

 Second issue is getting the K3 connected to my Drake L-4B amp, specifically
 the ALC connection.  Since I bought the 6 meter preamp I already have the
 15-pin ACC connector, and I was going to just attach an ALC lead to that
 connector.  It looks like I need to use pins 15 and 12, correct?  

 Also with the ALC function, in the manual on page 27 it says External ALC
 is set up using the CONFIG:EXT ALC menu entry.  However, like with the
 CONFIG: TXG VOICE, for the life of me I cannot find that menu entry in
 either of the menus.  Am I missing something or is it simply not there?

 So those are my two hiccups so far, otherwise I am really enjoying the
 radio.  And if any of you are also using a Drake L-4B with your K3, I'd love
 to hear any tips/advice/settings I should be aware of.
   

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Re: [Elecraft] [K3]Microphone socket wobble

2010-03-09 Thread KARL MARDERIAN
Hello Don,
I have been following this tread. I have had my K3 for about two years and the 
mic socket will turn a little. I said something a year or so ago on line here 
but never got any feed back. Do you think it a defect, or just needed play and 
should be well enough left alone. Never had any issues with the mic.
Karl N6XVT
On Mar 9, 2010, at 5:06 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:

 Knut,
 
 On the K2, you may access the mic jack by removing only the left side 
 panel,but on the K3, I believe you must remove the front panel assembly 
 to gain access to the base of the mic jack - you do not have to remove 
 the front panel from its metal enclosure, nor do you need to remove the 
 DSP board.
 
 If you look at K3_Application_Note_Front_Panel_Microphone_Grounding.pdf 
 on the Elecraft website, you can see how to gain access.  Lok carefully 
 at Figure 4 on page 2, and you will see that the microphone jack shell 
 is grounded by a wire in the K3.  That wire provides the grounding that 
 I mentioned, however it does not provide mechanical stability for the 
 mic jack shell (which is not important IMHO, but may ba a problem to 
 some other folks).  Soldering the shell to the ground plane will provide 
 the lack of wobble that some may desire.
 
 73,
 Don W3FPR
 
 ab2tc wrote:
 I might want to do that. Is there any truth to the rumor that this can be
 accessed by removing the left side panel only? I really don't want to got
 through the front panel disassembly and reassembly.
 
 AB2TC - Knut
 
 
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Re: [Elecraft] [K3]Microphone socket wobble

2010-03-09 Thread Don Wilhelm
It certainly is not a problem.  All foster type jacks that I have 
encountered have this condition.  The insert holding the pins is not 
tightly fixed to the shell.  If the mic jack shell is secured to the 
panel and the pins are connected to the PC board with wires, the 
assembly with the pins will move inside the shell, and no-one complains, 
they think that is normal.  However, when the K2 and K3 front panel 
boards connect the *pins* of the connector directly to the PC board, 
then the pins are fixed in position and the shell will move a bit around 
the pin housing.  This is NOT a problem.
I have given those who would *believe* it to be a *problem* the solution 
- solder the shell as well as the pins to the PC board. That will 
prevent any movement between the jack pin assembly and the shell.

BUT - repeat after me - this is not a problem --  this is not a problem

If you do fix the shell and the pins together, and subsequently pick up 
a mic plug that is slightly misaligned, you will not be able to plug it 
into your mic jack that has been soldered to allow no movement.  Take 
your pick - a soldered and fixed mic jack shell tha may not allow the 
plugging of a slightly misaligned mic plug, or just leave it as-is, and 
all mic plugs (even those slightly misaligned) will plug in easily.

This is a NON-problem.  The solution I gave is only for those who would 
loose sleep over a slightly wobbly microphone jack shell - it can be 
made non-wobbly, but it is not important to any operation and does 
have its down-sides.

73,
Don W3FPR

KARL MARDERIAN wrote:
 Hello Don,
 I have been following this tread. I have had my K3 for about two years and 
 the mic socket will turn a little. I said something a year or so ago on line 
 here but never got any feed back. Do you think it a defect, or just needed 
 play and should be well enough left alone. Never had any issues with the mic.
 Karl N6XVT
 On Mar 9, 2010, at 5:06 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:

   

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[Elecraft] Sub-Audible Tones for the K144XV2

2010-03-09 Thread bruce whitney
Just got my radio back with the 2 Meter xvrter.
Anybody programmed tones for the repeaters in it yet?
I don't see how it is done yet...
Bruce W8RA
 
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Re: [Elecraft] Serial #4019 is on the air, and I have a few questions...

2010-03-09 Thread MeLikeyTacos

Thank you all for the replies.  For some reason, I am getting several replies
via e-mail which aren't shown on the Nabble interface, not sure if that's
normal as I'm still getting used to the mailing list.

Anyway, when using the rear jack, it will only work with bias off, and is
pretty quiet.  When using the front jack, it will only work with bias on,
and sounds normal.  I've enabled Tech Mode and tried using the voice gain,
but it didn't change anything.  I'll keep using the front jack for now.

As for the ALC...typically the ALC function is used to prevent distortion
and splatter, why is that the opposite when using the K3?
-- 
View this message in context: 
http://n2.nabble.com/Serial-4019-is-on-the-air-and-I-have-a-few-questions-tp4705986p4706503.html
Sent from the [K3] mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
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Re: [Elecraft] Serial #4019 is on the air, and I have a few questions...

2010-03-09 Thread WILLIS COOKE
You have to work at  it to get the message on Nabble.  The default Reply is 
only to the sender.  You need to select reply to all to send your replay to 
Nabble.
 Willis 'Cookie' Cooke 
K5EWJ 





From: MeLikeyTacos jose.point...@gmail.com
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Sent: Tue, March 9, 2010 7:50:58 PM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Serial #4019 is on the air, and I have a few 
questions...


Thank you all for the replies.  For some reason, I am getting several replies
via e-mail which aren't shown on the Nabble interface, not sure if that's
normal as I'm still getting used to the mailing list.

Anyway, when using the rear jack, it will only work with bias off, and is
pretty quiet.  When using the front jack, it will only work with bias on,
and sounds normal.  I've enabled Tech Mode and tried using the voice gain,
but it didn't change anything.  I'll keep using the front jack for now.

As for the ALC...typically the ALC function is used to prevent distortion
and splatter, why is that the opposite when using the K3?
-- 
View this message in context: 
http://n2.nabble.com/Serial-4019-is-on-the-air-and-I-have-a-few-questions-tp4705986p4706503.html
Sent from the [K3] mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
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Re: [Elecraft] Sub-Audible Tones for the K144XV2

2010-03-09 Thread Brett Howard
Page 29 in the manual...

On Tue, 2010-03-09 at 17:43 -0800, bruce whitney wrote:
 Just got my radio back with the 2 Meter xvrter.
 Anybody programmed tones for the repeaters in it yet?
 I don't see how it is done yet...
 Bruce W8RA
  
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Re: [Elecraft] Serial #4019 is on the air, and I have a few questions...

2010-03-09 Thread Don Wilhelm
I don't use Nabble, so I expect others to offer their suggestions on that.
As for the microphone, if it needs bias on the front panel, it will need 
bias on the rear panel too - this is a requirement of the microphone, 
not the K3.  The microphones supplied by Elecraft all require bias to be 
turned on, regardless whether the front panel jack or the rear panel 
jacks are used.

Internal ALC *inside* a transceiver like the K3 *is* used to reduce 
distortion and splatter.  However, external ALC is quite different.  If 
External ALC is ever active, the amplifier is already being driven into 
compression and that condition will result in distortion and splatter.

I refer you to the commentary on the Elecraft website Builder's Resource 
page - then click on K3 Application Note and Mods link, and then scroll 
down to K3 Negative ALC and Ext Band Pull Up Mods.  Read the text in 
italics.

73,
Don W3FPR

MeLikeyTacos wrote:
 Thank you all for the replies.  For some reason, I am getting several replies
 via e-mail which aren't shown on the Nabble interface, not sure if that's
 normal as I'm still getting used to the mailing list.

 Anyway, when using the rear jack, it will only work with bias off, and is
 pretty quiet.  When using the front jack, it will only work with bias on,
 and sounds normal.  I've enabled Tech Mode and tried using the voice gain,
 but it didn't change anything.  I'll keep using the front jack for now.

 As for the ALC...typically the ALC function is used to prevent distortion
 and splatter, why is that the opposite when using the K3?
   
 


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Re: [Elecraft] Sub-Audible Tones for the K144XV2

2010-03-09 Thread Matt Zilmer
Look in the Owner's Manual.  P29 on Rev D6 OM, lower right.

It's harder to find in the OM than to program

73,
matt W6NIA


On Tue, 09 Mar 2010 17:43:29 -0800 (PST), you wrote:

Just got my radio back with the 2 Meter xvrter.
Anybody programmed tones for the repeaters in it yet?
I don't see how it is done yet...
Bruce W8RA
 
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[Elecraft] [K3] K3 USB, Serial Drivers, and HRD Connection

2010-03-09 Thread Phil Hystad
I rarely dip into my Windows laptop but I wanted to check out something with 
HRD (Ham Radio Deluxe) so I thought I would hook it up to my K3 (I had it 
configured to work with my Icom 756 Pro III already).  So, I chose to do a new 
connection setup for the K3 after I had setup the serial interface (using the 
serial/USB cable from Elecraft).  I had already run the K3 USB so I figured 
this should work with HRD.

But, problems.  I am wondering if HRD can use the driver setup for this serial 
interface?  I first ran HRD and when I did the new connection I had COM3  
available but nothing else.  I tried with COM3, no good.  So, I shutdown HRD 
and started up K3 USB utility.  It listed COM5 (not COM3).  I did the 
connection and port test and all seems to work.  I shutdown the K3 USB utility. 
 Started up HRD and no COM5 is available.

So, it seems like HRD does not see the ports created by the driver installed 
(Prolific drivers) for the Elecraft Serial/USB interface.

Before I start debugging this problem maybe there is an obvious answer from 
those who have already done this?  Is there something that I am missing?  Does 
anyone successfully use HRD with the Prolific drivers and the Elecraft supplied 
serial/USB cable?

73, phil, K7PEH

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Re: [Elecraft] [K3] K3 USB, Serial Drivers, and HRD Connection

2010-03-09 Thread David Herring, K6DCH
There may be a way to tell you prolific drivers to be something else  
other than com5...say maybe com3?

I have a similar setup but with different serial interface and hence  
different drivers. I had to set the driver to be, in my case, com2 in  
order for HRD to use it.

73,
Dave. K6DCH

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 9, 2010, at 5:44 PM, Phil Hystad k7...@comcast.net wrote:

 I rarely dip into my Windows laptop but I wanted to check out  
 something with HRD (Ham Radio Deluxe) so I thought I would hook it  
 up to my K3 (I had it configured to work with my Icom 756 Pro III  
 already).  So, I chose to do a new connection setup for the K3 after  
 I had setup the serial interface (using the serial/USB cable from  
 Elecraft).  I had already run the K3 USB so I figured this should  
 work with HRD.

 But, problems.  I am wondering if HRD can use the driver setup for  
 this serial interface?  I first ran HRD and when I did the new  
 connection I had COM3  available but nothing else.  I tried with  
 COM3, no good.  So, I shutdown HRD and started up K3 USB utility.   
 It listed COM5 (not COM3).  I did the connection and port test and  
 all seems to work.  I shutdown the K3 USB utility.  Started up HRD  
 and no COM5 is available.

 So, it seems like HRD does not see the ports created by the driver  
 installed (Prolific drivers) for the Elecraft Serial/USB interface.

 Before I start debugging this problem maybe there is an obvious  
 answer from those who have already done this?  Is there something  
 that I am missing?  Does anyone successfully use HRD with the  
 Prolific drivers and the Elecraft supplied serial/USB cable?

 73, phil, K7PEH

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Re: [Elecraft] [K3]Microphone socket wobble

2010-03-09 Thread Karl Marderian
Don,
Right you are. Some times we K3 owners can be mighty picky and not see  
the Forrest from the trees.
N6XVT. Karl 73

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On Mar 9, 2010, at 5:26 PM, Don Wilhelm d...@w3fpr.com wrote:

 Karl,

 As I stated, it may seem to be a problem for some folks, but I  
 certainly do not consider it a problem at all.  It simply allows a  
 bit of play to accept a slightly misaligned microphone plug.  The  
 connector was designed that way.
 If it were mounted in a panel, the shell would not move, but the pin  
 assembly would be a bit loose - most all microphone jacks I have  
 seen have always been this way.  The difference is that in the case  
 of the K2 and K3. the pins are fixed to the board, and the same  
 effect requires that the connector shell move instead of the pins -  
 it is all relative, and definitely not a problem.

 Some folks just seem to be a bit paranoid about unimportant stuff.

 73,
 Don W3FPR

 KARL MARDERIAN wrote:
 Hello Don,
 I have been following this tread. I have had my K3 for about two  
 years and the mic socket will turn a little. I said something a  
 year or so ago on line here but never got any feed back. Do you  
 think it a defect, or just needed play and should be well enough  
 left alone. Never had any issues with the mic.
 Karl N6XVT
 On Mar 9, 2010, at 5:06 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:


 Knut,

 On the K2, you may access the mic jack by removing only the left  
 side panel,but on the K3, I believe you must remove the front  
 panel assembly to gain access to the base of the mic jack - you do  
 not have to remove the front panel from its metal enclosure, nor  
 do you need to remove the DSP board.

 If you look at  
 K3_Application_Note_Front_Panel_Microphone_Grounding.pdf on the  
 Elecraft website, you can see how to gain access.  Lok carefully  
 at Figure 4 on page 2, and you will see that the microphone jack  
 shell is grounded by a wire in the K3.  That wire provides the  
 grounding that I mentioned, however it does not provide mechanical  
 stability for the mic jack shell (which is not important IMHO, but  
 may ba a problem to some other folks).  Soldering the shell to  
 the ground plane will provide the lack of wobble that some may  
 desire.

 73,
 Don W3FPR

 ab2tc wrote:

 I might want to do that. Is there any truth to the rumor that  
 this can be
 accessed by removing the left side panel only? I really don't  
 want to got
 through the front panel disassembly and reassembly.

 AB2TC - Knut



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[Elecraft] K3R

2010-03-09 Thread Karl Marderian

Hi folks,
Just had a brain storm. To off set the price of a K3/10. No amp., but  
include all the boards to make it a general reciever. Also include the  
6Kz 8 pole in place of the 2.7Kz 5 pole. The K3/10 is more Hams then  
SWL.
N6XVT.  Karl

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Re: [Elecraft] [K3] K3 USB, Serial Drivers, and HRD Connection

2010-03-09 Thread Phil Hystad
Dave,

Thanks for your comments and suggestions but I should not need to change the 
com port number.  I have been scanning the Internet and finding that there is 
no lack of problems with the prolific drivers and I am thinking I might just go 
buy some other interface.

I am willing to go out and buy another serial/USB interface cable if someone 
suggests one that will work both with the K3 Utility as well as HRD (I do not 
need this to run simultaneously though).

73, phil, K7PEH


On Mar 9, 2010, at 7:54 PM, David Herring, K6DCH wrote:

 There may be a way to tell you prolific drivers to be something else other 
 than com5...say maybe com3?
 
 I have a similar setup but with different serial interface and hence 
 different drivers. I had to set the driver to be, in my case, com2 in order 
 for HRD to use it.
 
 73,
 Dave. K6DCH
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Mar 9, 2010, at 5:44 PM, Phil Hystad k7...@comcast.net wrote:
 
 I rarely dip into my Windows laptop but I wanted to check out something with 
 HRD (Ham Radio Deluxe) so I thought I would hook it up to my K3 (I had it 
 configured to work with my Icom 756 Pro III already).  So, I chose to do a 
 new connection setup for the K3 after I had setup the serial interface 
 (using the serial/USB cable from Elecraft).  I had already run the K3 USB so 
 I figured this should work with HRD.
 
 But, problems.  I am wondering if HRD can use the driver setup for this 
 serial interface?  I first ran HRD and when I did the new connection I had 
 COM3  available but nothing else.  I tried with COM3, no good.  So, I 
 shutdown HRD and started up K3 USB utility.  It listed COM5 (not COM3).  I 
 did the connection and port test and all seems to work.  I shutdown the K3 
 USB utility.  Started up HRD and no COM5 is available.
 
 So, it seems like HRD does not see the ports created by the driver installed 
 (Prolific drivers) for the Elecraft Serial/USB interface.
 
 Before I start debugging this problem maybe there is an obvious answer from 
 those who have already done this?  Is there something that I am missing?  
 Does anyone successfully use HRD with the Prolific drivers and the Elecraft 
 supplied serial/USB cable?
 
 73, phil, K7PEH
 
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Re: [Elecraft] Audio dropouts while tuning in K3 SubRX

2010-03-09 Thread WILLIS COOKE
I checked my K3 and it does not seem to have that problem
 Willis 'Cookie' Cooke 
K5EWJ 





From: Rich - K1HTV k1...@comcast.net
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Sent: Tue, March 9, 2010 9:14:58 PM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Audio dropouts while tuning in K3 SubRX

I noticed the same short audio dropout on the SubRx only (not the main) while
operating the CQ160 SB contest at home and the ARRL DX Phone contest at W3LPL. I
don't recall seeing this problem being reported until Brett mentioned it.  I
noticed the clicks occurring on 160M at the frequency transitions every 5 KHz:
1816.449 to .450
1821.449       
1826.449       
1831.449      
When tuning some freqs above 1900 KHz the spacing changed to 6 KHz:
1937.449 to .450
1943.449      
1949.449      
1955.449      
1961.449      

It's not a severe problem but certainly was annoying hearing the clicks when
certain freqs were passed while hunting the 160 Meter band for mults.
I was using the new Beta firmware. Will check out the previous version when I
get a chance to see if it was there and not previously noticed.

73,
Rich - K1HTV

= = =

Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2010 02:24:32 -0800
From: Brett Howard br...@livecomputers.com
Subject: [Elecraft] Audio dropouts while tuning in SubRX
To: elecraft elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Message-ID:
    fb5179b41003060224o5e45597bi171ffcf084855...@mail.gmail.com
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

What is the story behind the audio breaks when tuning in the sub rx...
Right now I get a break anytime I tune from and to the following
frequencies:

7.060.99 - 7.061
7.069.99 - 7.070
7.078.99 - 7.079
7.085.99 - 7.086
7.086.99 - 7.087

There are more but thats an example of them...  Its just a short blank pause in
audio whenever I make those transitions (in either direction I hear the pause).

~Brett (KC7OTG)

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Re: [Elecraft] [K3] K3 USB, Serial Drivers, and HRD Connection

2010-03-09 Thread N8LP

I have had better luck with adapters that use an FTDI chipset, but the answer
isn't that simple. It all depends on OS, proper driver for that OS and
possible conflicts with other devices/programs which create virtual serial
ports. If you want to try an inexpensive adapter with FTDI chipset, look at
byterunner.com. They have a number of choices, and list the chipset brand
for each one. 

73,
Larry N8LP




Dave,

Thanks for your comments and suggestions but I should not need to change the
com port number.  I have been scanning the Internet and finding that there
is no lack of problems with the prolific drivers and I am thinking I might
just go buy some other interface.

I am willing to go out and buy another serial/USB interface cable if someone
suggests one that will work both with the K3 Utility as well as HRD (I do
not need this to run simultaneously though).

73, phil, K7PEH


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Re: [Elecraft] K3 SO2R Question

2010-03-09 Thread K5WA
Jim,

 

As a long time SO2R guy (currently a pair of K3s, previously a pair of K2s
and originally a pair of IC-765s), I'd save up your money and get the ICE
(individual bands or the 401 multiband unit) or K3NQN filters so you won't
be saying things like the K3 receiver goes strangely quiet.  Those words
scare the fire out of me because I'll bet you are on the edge of blowing up
your K3's front end.  While you are saving up your money, you can build some
coax filters that can be teed into your monoband coax (the complexity and
expense goes up if you have a multi-band antenna rather than monobander).
I'd have to look up the exact construction details, but I know they can be
found with minimal Google searching.  The idea is to cut a length of coax
that, for example, nulls 20M (electrical 1/4 wave open at the end, I think?)
and insert that into your 40M line.  Same idea for keeping 80M out of 40M.
You really don't want to be asking how much power the K3 receiver can
handle...just assume it is 50-100 mV and build or buy some filters.  You'll
be happily SO2R contesting rather than repairing your K3s.  I have used the
ICE 401 multiband units for several years and have been very happy even when
my antenna system consisted of individually fed multi-quad loops. Imagine
happily SO2R contesting at 1.5 KW with quad loops only separated by a few
feet.  Filters work! 

 

Also, save up your money and get the KRX3 for your K3s if you want to have
dual watch because you will have defeated every SO2R control box and
software program I know of if both SO2R rigs are on the same band.  

 

Have fun!

 

Bob K5WA   

 

 

 

Message: 1

Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2010 17:08:42 +

From: Jim Harris w...@q.com

Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 SO2R Question

 

Bob,

 

I live on a postage size lot so big antennas and lots of separation is not
possible.  I usually run an ALS-500M amp.  My initial thought is to run both
K3's on the same bands.  However, digging out mult's on different bands
might be the way to go.  The same band idea came from my days with duel
watch radio's.  It's all a growing and learning experience.  

 

I've looked at the ICE filters plus those from other companys.  I'm guessing
at this point the more isolation (expensive) filters would be better.  I've
discovered in the last day or so that when signal levels are over about
S9+30/40 the K3 receiver goes strangely quiet and no bars on the S-meter are
light.  It takes from a few seconds to a minute or so to recover.

 

Thank you for your suggestions.

 

CU in the Colorado QSO Party Sept 4th, 2010.

 

73,  Jim, W0EM

 

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Re: [Elecraft] [K3] K3 USB, Serial Drivers, and HRD Connection

2010-03-09 Thread Rick Commo
I'll chime in here with the fact that I had problems with a couple of
USB-serial cable since I am running Win7/X64.  I went to www.usbgear.com and
found one for $12 that came with Win7/x64 drivers.  Seems to be working just
fine.  Plus, when I sent their tech support a question I had the answer
within 1/2 a day.

-rick, K7LOG

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From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net
[mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of N8LP
Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 8:34 PM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [K3] K3 USB, Serial Drivers, and HRD Connection


I have had better luck with adapters that use an FTDI chipset, but the
answer
isn't that simple. It all depends on OS, proper driver for that OS and
possible conflicts with other devices/programs which create virtual serial
ports. If you want to try an inexpensive adapter with FTDI chipset, look at
byterunner.com. They have a number of choices, and list the chipset brand
for each one. 

73,
Larry N8LP




Dave,

Thanks for your comments and suggestions but I should not need to change the
com port number.  I have been scanning the Internet and finding that there
is no lack of problems with the prolific drivers and I am thinking I might
just go buy some other interface.

I am willing to go out and buy another serial/USB interface cable if someone
suggests one that will work both with the K3 Utility as well as HRD (I do
not need this to run simultaneously though).

73, phil, K7PEH


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