Re: [Elecraft] Reminder: KX3 Tracking sheet - Deliveries this week

2012-04-25 Thread Bill Tubbs
I would also bet that the construction crew is using this sequence in order 
to perfect the building sequence so that they can ensure kit builder glitches 
are held to a minimum when they go out. 

Bill
WK6A

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 24, 2012, at 11:42 AM, Edward R. Cole kl...@acsalaska.net wrote:

 Steve,
 
 Many of us waiting delivery.  I checked the shipping status page and read 
 this:
 As of 4/12:  Now shipping orders from Dec. 27,  2011.
 and
 Assembled and Kit KX3s are built on parallel production lines. 
 Orders for each type will be shipped in the same order they are 
 received. Built KX3s will be the first units we ship as we finalize 
 the kit assembly manual.
 
 presumably the assembly manual is finished (or nearly so?), so kits 
 would be shipped.  I am waiting for a kit as well.  But would not 
 blame Elecraft for clearing their assembled backlog first as those 
 folks paid $100 more for their radios.  I would guess that is not 
 Elecraft's sales philosophy but no one could fault them if it were.
 
 I am doubly anxious as I am anticipating the KX3-2M beta testing to 
 begin fairly soon.
 Anyone interested my recent activity building a Downeast MW 432 Transverter:
 http://www.kl7uw.com/DEMI-KIT-ASSY.htm
 
 
 
 Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 04:02:49 -0700 (PDT)
 From: Steve KC8QVO kc8...@yahoo.com
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Reminder: KX3 Tracking sheet - Deliveries this
 week
 To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
 Message-ID: 1335265369167-7495463.p...@n2.nabble.com
 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
 
 I looked at that spreadsheet and it appears that only the assembled versions
 are being shipped. I would have thought some kits would have gone out by
 now. It isn't looking good for having the KX3 for Hamvention and my summer
 vacation.
 
 Steve, KC8QVO
 
 
 
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Re: [Elecraft] New KAT500 pics from the Visalia DX convention

2012-04-25 Thread David Ferrington, M0XDF
Thanks everyone for the discussion and thanks Jim for the part number.
Now considering the options, but leaning towards just sticking with what I've 
got, which is mostly  'UHF' on HF and 'N' type on V/UHF. The only BNC are on 
the 6M preamp and will be on the XV144. Note that legal limit here is 400W and 
not many of us run that since neighbors are only a few feet away in a lot of 
cases ;-(

- 73 de M0XDF

On 25 Apr 2012, at 03:49, Ron D'Eau Claire r...@cobi.biz wrote:

 It's a simple homebrew - a square of aluminum (or whatever - even scrap PCB)
 with a hole for the BNC in the center and two or four holes in the SO239
 pattern for mounting. But I don't know that there's a significant loss in
 using a *quality* SO239-BNC adapter. That's what I do.
 
 It's very nice having only ONE type of coaxial connector - a simple
 twist-lock BNC - especially because I have to tear the setup apart
 constantly.
 
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Re: [Elecraft] New KAT500 pics from the Visalia DX convention

2012-04-25 Thread Ian White GM3SEK
Dick Dievendorff wrote:
I have that same too busy ACC connector problem with antenna  
bandpass filter switching, amp, PR-6, and PTT/FSK connection to a 
microHAM device. I'm using a couple of layers of Y connector, dislike 
the solution, and I have ideas to resolve that problem somehow.


One solution is to build a breakout box to move all of these 
interconnection problems away from the K3 itself. Since I also wanted to 
make a shallow base to raise the K3 about 1.5 inches above the table, 
both of these functions have been combined to make a breakout base on 
which the K3 stands.

A short 15-way cable connects to the ACC socket of the K3, and all of 
those 15 lines are fanned out to a stripboard patch panel inside the 
base unit.  Another short cable connects the switched 12V output from 
the K3.

All of the input and output signals that would otherwise go to the ACC 
connector are now routed to individual connectors on the 10in wide rear 
panel of the breakout base. These currently include FSK input from the 
PC, PA inhibit from the SteppIR, additional band data outputs and three 
12V outputs switched by the K3.

This will perpetually be a work in progress, modified to meet current 
needs. For example, when an SSPA came on the scene, it was very easy to 
tap into all the necessary control and band data lines, and gather them 
into a custom umbilical cable.

One day I shall complete the front panel of this unit, which currently 
stands empty. But, like Dick...

Unfortunately I have more ideas than time to implement them.


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[Elecraft] [FS] 2.1KHz 8 Pole Filter to suit Elecraft K3

2012-04-25 Thread Jeff Cochrane - VK4XA
G'day everyone,
I have available for sale a 2.1KHz 8 Pole Fileter to suit a K3.
Anyone interested?
US$125.00 inc post to the US of A or the UK / EU

Please contact me via email at vk4xa at ARRL dot net.



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Elecraft K3 #4257 + KPA500 + PR6 + K144XV = OMFG!

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[Elecraft] K3 and HRD

2012-04-25 Thread Steve
Hi Guys.( Not gender specific)  I just 
installed HRD v 5.11 on my computer and connected 
to the K3 with the KUSB cable into the RS-232 port 
on the radio.
In the set up I have the Elecraft K3 on com port 3 
at 38,400 Baud rateHow ever HRD tries,
but cannot read the frequency on the radio.
I am not in memory mode, the radio is on and using 
an Elecraft supplied cable.
SuggestionsWhat is this OM over looking.
73'
Steve W8CRH
SEMPER FI
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Re: [Elecraft] New KAT500 pics from the Visalia DX convention

2012-04-25 Thread hawley, charles j jr
I too use all BNC and LMR-240 cables. Great shield on this cable and low loss.

Chuck, KE9UW
aka Jack, BMW Motorcycles


From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] on 
behalf of Craig Smith [cr...@powersmith.net]
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2012 11:10 PM
To: garyk...@wi.rr.com
Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] New KAT500 pics from the Visalia DX convention

It boils down to personal preference, and I like BNCs.  UHF seem really large 
and clunky to me, and I don't like having to unscrew them rather than just a 
small twist.  One factor that other folks might not have is that I run strictly 
low power and the largest coax I have anywhere in my station is LMR-240 size.  
So using a large connector seems like overkill to me.   I also invested in a 
good crimp tool and make all my own BNC cables and have yet to have a failure.  
 So to me, there is zero downside to using BNCs.  But I appreciate that others 
may have a different opinion.

73   Craig   AC0DS


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Re: [Elecraft] New KAT500 pics from the Visalia DX convention

2012-04-25 Thread hawley, charles j jr
I once bought a non Ampenol right angle UHF adapter which became intermittant. 
I found a spring inside it making the corner instead of the Amphenol method of 
two silver plated rods, one screwed into the other at right angles.

Chuck, KE9UW
aka Jack, BMW Motorcycles


From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] on 
behalf of Jim Brown [j...@audiosystemsgroup.com]
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2012 10:53 PM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] New KAT500 pics from the Visalia DX convention

On 4/24/2012 8:07 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
 Below 100 MHz, the UHF connector is perfectly adequate.

The notion that PL-259 and mating SO239 connectors are not good at VHF
(and even low UHF) because their impedance isn't close enough to 50
ohms  is one of those myths that is not based on fact.  A few years ago,
I spliced together 1,300 ft of Commscope 3227 (like LMR400, but with a
solid #10 copper center) that cut into 100 ft lengths for a DX trip.
There were a total of about 24 PL-259s and about half that number of
barrels, all Amphenols. The loss at 500 MHz measured by substitution
using HP test gear, was a dB or so less than the published spec for the
cable.

What folks seem to miss is that 1) while there may be a SMALL difference
in the Zo, the length of the connector is also small as a fraction of a
wavelength, and 2) the tendency of loss in ANY transmission line to
bring the VSWR back to unity.  Both of these factors tend to render any
small discontinuity meaningless below 1 GHz or so.

What matters FAR more is the QUALITY of the connectors used.  Most of
the deficiencies blamed on UHF connectors (and on BNC connectors) are
the result of the use of no-name JUNK connectors.  I use nothing but
Amphenols. They cost a bit more, but I've been bitten far too often (and
badly) when I've used anything else. Nothing like having a connector
fall apart, or melt because it's made of thin metal, or because wide
tolerance parts don't mate securely, or a dielectric that melts when you
try to solder the connector.  And a junk connector that fails 80 ft up
in the air can be both difficult to diagnose and VERY costly to replace!

73, Jim K9YC
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 and HRD

2012-04-25 Thread Ian Kahn
Steve,

What COM port/baud rate is HRD using?  They must match.

73,

--Ian
Ian Kahn, KM4IK
Roswell, GA  EM74ua
km4ik@gmail.com
K3 #281, P3 #688
HRD v5.x/6.0 Test Team

On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 7:49 AM, Steve w8...@comcast.net wrote:

 Hi Guys.( Not gender specific)  I just
 installed HRD v 5.11 on my computer and connected
 to the K3 with the KUSB cable into the RS-232 port
 on the radio.
 In the set up I have the Elecraft K3 on com port 3
 at 38,400 Baud rateHow ever HRD tries,
 but cannot read the frequency on the radio.
 I am not in memory mode, the radio is on and using
 an Elecraft supplied cable.
 SuggestionsWhat is this OM over looking.
 73'
 Steve W8CRH
 SEMPER FI
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[Elecraft] K3 KPA500

2012-04-25 Thread artus
Folks,

I am contemplating a new K3 rig to replace my K2.  I have seen posts
regarding the drive necessary for the KPA500 and it looks like the 10 watt
K3 doesn't quite have enough.  Currently I use my K2 with a Granberg AN762
brick amp and LPFs.  I wonder if anyone has played with or has comments
about the viability and advisability of a 10W K3 == AN762 ==KPA500
arrangement.  I know 6 meters may not work well and I don't know about
signal quality degradation versus a direct 100W K3 ==KPA500 arrangement. 
Thanks.

73,
Jack (W0FNQ)

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[Elecraft] K1 Stand Screw Size

2012-04-25 Thread Rick Lloyd
Hello all,

I have a K1 and I’m building a bracket to tilt the rig on my desk.

I am having trouble figuring out the size of the screw for the side of the 
radio.

I’m thinking it’s a #8 but it starts tight and I’m afraid to force it.

Anyone know the proper screw?

Thanks,

Rick
AA4W
Crescent City, FL
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Re: [Elecraft] K1 Stand Screw Size

2012-04-25 Thread Don Wilhelm
Rick,

According to the KTS1 manual, it is 10-32.
Both the diameter, and the thread pitch must match.  Common hardware at 
the DIY store may be 10-24.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 4/25/2012 8:50 AM, Rick Lloyd wrote:
 Hello all,

 I have a K1 and I’m building a bracket to tilt the rig on my desk.

 I am having trouble figuring out the size of the screw for the side of the 
 radio.

 I’m thinking it’s a #8 but it starts tight and I’m afraid to force it.

 Anyone know the proper screw?

 Thanks,
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 KPA500

2012-04-25 Thread Don Wilhelm
Jack,

If you are looking for full output, then yes, you will need more than 
the K3/10.  But, 10 watts will give you between 200 and 250 watts output 
from the KPA500.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 4/25/2012 8:47 AM, artus wrote:
 Folks,

 I am contemplating a new K3 rig to replace my K2.  I have seen posts
 regarding the drive necessary for the KPA500 and it looks like the 10 watt
 K3 doesn't quite have enough.  Currently I use my K2 with a Granberg AN762
 brick amp and LPFs.  I wonder if anyone has played with or has comments
 about the viability and advisability of a 10W K3 ==  AN762 ==KPA500
 arrangement.  I know 6 meters may not work well and I don't know about
 signal quality degradation versus a direct 100W K3 ==KPA500 arrangement.
 Thanks.


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Re: [Elecraft] New KAT500 pics from the Visalia DX convention

2012-04-25 Thread Keith Heimbold
I ran into this issue and if there is a commercial solution available I would 
love to hear about it.

Keith 
AG6AZ

 Dick Dievendorff wrote:
 I have that same too busy ACC connector problem with antenna  
 bandpass filter switching, amp, PR-6, and PTT/FSK connection to a 
 microHAM device. I'm using a couple of layers of Y connector, dislike 
 the solution, and I have ideas to resolve that problem somehow.
 

If anyone has found a commercial solution to this that would be great. I run a 
Yaesu Quadra with the K3 and the integration with the PR6 and the Quadra is 
clunky at best into a single ACC port.

Keith
AG6AZ


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Re: [Elecraft] KX3 ATU

2012-04-25 Thread Michael Babineau
Niel / Robert :

For what it is worth,  86 feet (i.e 26.5 m) is the ideal length of end-fed wire 
for matching via an auto tuner to cover the HF bands.
It is a magic length that isn't  close to a multiple of a half wave on any of 
the HF bands (with perhaps the exception of 10m)
so it presents a reasonable impedance that can be matched by most ATUs across 
the HF spectrum.  As Eric mentioned,
you want to stay away from lengths that are close to a half wave multiple on 
the bands that you want to operate as the wire will
present a very high impedance that is difficult to match with any ATU. 

Not surprisingly, this length is not far off of the length of wire used for the 
W3EDP antenna (84 feet).

Michael VE3WMB

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 orK2

2012-04-25 Thread Tony Read
Hi all sorry for the mail iam looking for a used K3 or K2 only need 10watt
as it will be used to drive transverters. 
Thanks 
Tony(G0GMS)
Please reply tr...@bigroup.freeserve.co.uk


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Re: [Elecraft] K1 Stand Screw Size

2012-04-25 Thread Randy Moore
A good hobby shop will carry 10-32 hardware. 

73,
Randy, KS4L 

On Apr 25, 2012, at 8:01 AM, Don Wilhelm w3...@embarqmail.com wrote:

 Rick,
 
 According to the KTS1 manual, it is 10-32.
 Both the diameter, and the thread pitch must match.  Common hardware at 
 the DIY store may be 10-24.
 
 73,
 Don W3FPR
 
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Re: [Elecraft] K1 Stand Screw Size

2012-04-25 Thread Rick Lloyd
Thanks for the replies,

The K1 manual doesn't mention the side bolt, as I could tell.

But I was sure someone had a KST2 manual.

I'm good to go, now.

Regards,

Rick
AA4W

-Original Message- 
From: Don Wilhelm
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 09:01
To: Rick Lloyd
Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K1 Stand Screw Size

Rick,

According to the KTS1 manual, it is 10-32.
Both the diameter, and the thread pitch must match.  Common hardware at
the DIY store may be 10-24.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 4/25/2012 8:50 AM, Rick Lloyd wrote:
 Hello all,

 I have a K1 and I’m building a bracket to tilt the rig on my desk.

 I am having trouble figuring out the size of the screw for the side of the 
 radio.

 I’m thinking it’s a #8 but it starts tight and I’m afraid to force it.

 Anyone know the proper screw?

 Thanks, 

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Re: [Elecraft] [FS] 2.1KHz 8 Pole Filter to suit Elecraft K3

2012-04-25 Thread Jeff Cochrane - VK4XA
Thanks to all that replied off list, the filter has now been sold. 

Jeff Cochrane - VK4XA


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Re: [Elecraft] K1 Stand Screw Size

2012-04-25 Thread Don Wilhelm
If there are any manuals that you do not have, just go to the Elecraft 
website and download whichever one you are interested in.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 4/25/2012 11:00 AM, Rick Lloyd wrote:
 Thanks for the replies,

 The K1 manual doesn't mention the side bolt, as I could tell.

 But I was sure someone had a KST2 manual.

 I'm good to go, now.


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Re: [Elecraft] K3 KPA500

2012-04-25 Thread Vic K2VCO
I used to do something similar to drive an amplifier from my K2 (before the 
100W amp stage 
for it) came out.

It complicates t/r switching, making CW QSK or VOX more difficult. I tried to 
solve this 
with an external set of fast relays around both amplifiers, but the large 
amount of gain 
from the cascaded amplifiers caused instability. You do not want this 
particular problem, 
believe me!

You also need an extra bandswitch for the intermediate amplifier. And I suspect 
that the 
K3 - KPA500 integration would be upset, since the K3 wouldn't know about the 
intermediate 
amplifier.

I think it would definitely be worth the extra money to get the 100-watt K3.

On 4/25/2012 5:47 AM, artus wrote:
 Folks,

 I am contemplating a new K3 rig to replace my K2.  I have seen posts
 regarding the drive necessary for the KPA500 and it looks like the 10 watt
 K3 doesn't quite have enough.  Currently I use my K2 with a Granberg AN762
 brick amp and LPFs.  I wonder if anyone has played with or has comments
 about the viability and advisability of a 10W K3 ==  AN762 ==KPA500
 arrangement.  I know 6 meters may not work well and I don't know about
 signal quality degradation versus a direct 100W K3 ==KPA500 arrangement.
 Thanks.

 73,
 Jack (W0FNQ)

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[Elecraft] BNC's

2012-04-25 Thread Ken G Kopp
I've used BNC for everything for years.  Even have them
on Bird watt meters, my K3 and the sensors for my W2.

As has already been pointed out, they're really N's, and
adequate for legal amateur power levels.

I also have a good selection of Pomona patch cords.
Very convenient.

73!

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Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Digest, Vol 96, Issue 41

2012-04-25 Thread BOB PHILBROOK
Direct your complaint to QST.

Bob, K9PAG
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Re: [Elecraft] Regarding KAT500 current drain

2012-04-25 Thread Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft
No. We do not recommend powering this number of devices form the K3 AUX 
12v conn.

Eric
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On 4/24/2012 7:58 PM, Rick Bates wrote:
 So we could expect that a newly mod'ed K3 12VDC output can supply the P3, 6M
 pre-amp and the KAT500 combined?  One switch (K3) to control them all
 (precious).  ;-)

 Rick wa6nhc

 -Original Message-
 From: Wayne Burdick

 Just to clarify an earlier topic: The KAT500 will draw well under 1
 amp under any normal circumstances. Our engineering team may discover
 a way to make it draw over 1 amp for entertainment purposes, but our
 target for the average case is about 500 mA.

 Wayne
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Re: [Elecraft] Regarding KAT500 current drain

2012-04-25 Thread hawley, charles j jr
I think we need a device that powers a number of 12 vdc devices triggered by 
the 12 v coming out of the K3. However one way is to get the rigrunner 12v 
strip that has a current sensor in one of the ports which turns on the rest of 
the ports...and plug the K3 into that current sensing port.

Sent from my iPad

On Apr 25, 2012, at 11:52 AM, Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft 
e...@elecraft.com wrote:

 No. We do not recommend powering this number of devices form the K3 AUX 
 12v conn.
 
 Eric
 ---
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 On 4/24/2012 7:58 PM, Rick Bates wrote:
 So we could expect that a newly mod'ed K3 12VDC output can supply the P3, 6M
 pre-amp and the KAT500 combined?  One switch (K3) to control them all
 (precious).  ;-)
 
 Rick wa6nhc
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Wayne Burdick
 
 Just to clarify an earlier topic: The KAT500 will draw well under 1
 amp under any normal circumstances. Our engineering team may discover
 a way to make it draw over 1 amp for entertainment purposes, but our
 target for the average case is about 500 mA.
 
 Wayne
 N6KR
 
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 KPA500

2012-04-25 Thread Guy Olinger K2AV
The K3 plus the KPA500 has all the slick integration going for it.  Behind
all that is all the time and battle-testing of the combo.  You start with
an unknown element in the middle and you lose all of the field experience
and fine-tuning of the firmware that came with the experience.  Plus at
twenty-something watts to the KPA500, everything in the K3 is loafing.

73, Guy.

On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 8:47 AM, artus 9ar...@gmail.com wrote:

 Folks,

 I am contemplating a new K3 rig to replace my K2.  I have seen posts
 regarding the drive necessary for the KPA500 and it looks like the 10 watt
 K3 doesn't quite have enough.  Currently I use my K2 with a Granberg AN762
 brick amp and LPFs.  I wonder if anyone has played with or has comments
 about the viability and advisability of a 10W K3 == AN762 ==KPA500
 arrangement.  I know 6 meters may not work well and I don't know about
 signal quality degradation versus a direct 100W K3 ==KPA500 arrangement.
 Thanks.

 73,
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Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Digest, Vol 96, Issue 41

2012-04-25 Thread Bob
Direct your complaint to QST.

???

73, Bob, WB4SON

On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 12:23 PM, BOB PHILBROOK k9...@msn.com wrote:

 Direct your complaint to QST.

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[Elecraft] New KAT500 pics from the Visalia DX convention

2012-04-25 Thread Edward R. Cole
I assume all you have read this thread so not going to repeat all 
prior e-mail in my post.

First off only place you will find PL259/SO239 UHF connectors is on 
ham, CB and some marine radio equipment made today.  Commercial 
radios long have gone to other connectors with N-connectors being 
favored for VHF+ site located systems.  Mobiles and HT's have a 
variety of connectors from BNC, TNC, mini-UHF, RCA-phono (gawd 
awful), sma and a whole host of tiny specialty connectors used on 
wireless stuff, smart phones, etc.

In my professional life I moved most cabling to either N or BNC vs 
UHF.  This was for reliability.  BNC were normally used on RG-58 
cable jumpers and lower power stuff where measurements were frequent 
requiring cable removal.

The use of pliers to tighten connectors had gotten too many folks in 
trouble due to super mechanic mentality that if tight is good 
tighter is better.  Sorry these are not water or gas lines.  If you 
use a plier to tighten only rotate 1/8 turn beyond finger-tight.  I 
can see wanting to do this on antenna connections or mobile 
installations where vibration is possible.  Use of heat-shrink over 
the connector will result in longer reliability (also because it is 
now wx tight).

BTW I have measured improvement of half a dB at VHF+ by proper 
tightening of N connectors.  At HF this is probably not even noticed 
but on receivers at UHF it will make a difference.  Sma connectors 
are particularly susceptible to inadequate tightening but again 
should only be tightened with a sma wrench with 1/8 turn or by proper 
torque wrench according to the mfr's specs.  Sma do not like repeated 
removal and installation so be careful with that.  I find the threads 
in N connectors wear if removed too much and work much better the 
first or few times.

Impedance match on low noise preamps is critical so many hams are 
moving to use of either N or sma connectors over BNC.  I have not 
seen a UHF on a preamp since the 1960's.

Finally, my highest connector failure is with UHF on RG-58 size 
cable.  I really dislike the critters for that.  Crimp-style 
connectors also seem to have a higher failure if they are cables that 
are repeatedly removed (esp BNC).

So that is my two-cents on the topic.



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Re: [Elecraft] Regarding KAT500 current drain

2012-04-25 Thread Joe Subich, W4TV

 However one way is to get the rigrunner 12v strip that has a
 current sensor in one of the ports which turns on the rest of the
 ports...and plug the K3 into that current sensing port.

If you do that, *do not* power any accessory that handles audio going
to the transceiver mic or line inputs from the auxiliary power strip.
Doing so will result in RFI as transceiver return current finds its
way back to the power strip through the accessories and in turn pumps
the ground (power supply) reference for those accessories.

When using an auxiliary power strip it is absolutely impossible to
provide a zero Ohm return for the transceiver's primary power supply
and return current *will* divide among the multiple returns (some
via accessories).

If one has 12V accessories and a 12V transceiver, the accessories
should always be powered from an auxiliary output on the transceiver
*or* from a *completely isolated* power supply.  *Never* connect
accessories to the same supply as the transceiver.   Kenwood have
recognized this issue for years; all of the instruction manuals for
their 12V transceivers recommends using a separate power supply for
TNCs and Terminal Units.  While Kenwood references noise pickup
the real reason is to avoid noise coupling via the power supply
return.

73,

... Joe, W4TV


On 4/25/2012 1:00 PM, hawley, charles j jr wrote:
 I think we need a device that powers a number of 12 vdc devices
 triggered by the 12 v coming out of the K3. However one way is to get
 the rigrunner 12v strip that has a current sensor in one of the
 ports which turns on the rest of the ports...and plug the K3 into
 that current sensing port.

 Sent from my iPad

 On Apr 25, 2012, at 11:52 AM, Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ,
 Elecrafte...@elecraft.com  wrote:

 No. We do not recommend powering this number of devices form the K3
 AUX 12v conn.

 Eric --- www.elecraft.com



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[Elecraft] Looking for a used buddipole

2012-04-25 Thread Greg
Anyone have one of these available?  I have been looking around for
the best portable antenna to use that I can transport on a motorcycle.
 I won't always be going places where trees would be available so it
needs to be self-contained.  This seems to be the best option for me
with the KX3.

Thanks.

73
Greg
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[Elecraft] Ultimate Station Control Requirements Wish List

2012-04-25 Thread W0UCE
I am compiling a product development requirements document for a consortium
of companies that intends to develop, manufacture and market the ULITMATE
Ham Radio Station Control System. 

If you would like to have an expandable station control system to select TX
and RX antennas, SO2R, , have more than one radio share TX and RX Antennas,
switch Audio In, Audio Out, Keying Leads, distribute 12 and 24 volt DC and
most any and all other functions to make your station the ultimate in
flexibility and control using mouse clicks, touch screen push buttons and
custom assignable labels what would your wish list contain? The system will
consist of a common mounting shelf that will house plug in card modules.  To
expand or add additional functions the user will simply purchase function
cards, plug them in the shelf, make plug in connections and set
configuration options.

 

If you care to participate, I would appreciate receiving a Bullet Type Wish
List e-mail with your list.  At this point, I don't need details, simply a
Wish List 

(Examples)

*   Up to 10 TX Antennas shared with 2 radios 
*   Up to 8 RX Antennas share with 2 radios 
*   Control of current off the shelf remote coax switches 
*   Remote relays over Blue Tooth or 802.11, RS-232 and/or cable pairs
*   Be able to use K-3 or XYZ Radio to drive a KPA 500 or any other
amplifier with a touch of a button or mouse click to switch Amp In,
Audio/Key/ALC 
*   Have Lock Out if a particular antenna is selected - Ant 1 for TX and
Ant 2 for RX, etc.
*   One button change from SO1R to SO2R 
*   Switch one set of paddles to two different keyers
*   Key two radios at the same time
*   What else? 

 

There is virtually no end to what the wish list may contain but please be
realistic in what you would consider useful and you would consider
purchasing if it fit your needs and the price was right...

 

Thanks  73,

Jack 

 

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[Elecraft] looking for a open source waterfall/pabadepter display for the KX3. any ideas

2012-04-25 Thread Robert Galambos

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Re: [Elecraft] looking for a open source waterfall/pabadepter display for the KX3. any ideas

2012-04-25 Thread Jussi Eloranta
Hi,

  looking for a open source waterfall/pabadepter display for the KX3. 
any ideas

Haven't gotten my kx3 yet so can't say for sure that the following will 
work but most likely:

- quisk (win/linux/mac; http://james.ahlstrom.name/quisk/; not sure if 
rig control works). It takes general I/Q in and can make the waterfall etc.
- kcomm ( http://www.g4ilo.com/kcomm.html; supports win  linux but 
should also compile on macs; supports k3 rig control which should work 
with kx3). This has waterfall display among other things.

I am sure there are others (windoze only) but don't know much about 
them... some might even run under wine on other platforms. I recall that 
there is a list of useful software on Elecraft web pages somewhere.

Jussi Eloranta
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Re: [Elecraft] New KAT500 pics from the Visalia DX convention

2012-04-25 Thread Jim Brown
On 4/25/2012 10:50 AM, Edward R. Cole wrote:
 Impedance match on low noise preamps is critical

NO preamp is going to notice the difference between 1.000 and 1.05.  
More to the point, I suggest that you MEASURE the input Z of these 
preamps and find out how close they actually are to their nominal 
value.  I suspect you will find variations on the order of 25% or more.

   so many hams are
 moving to use of either N or sma connectors over BNC.  I have not
 seen a UHF on a preamp since the 1960's.

Ed,

Everything you have cited regarding N-connectors is simply a matter of 
folks having drunk the Kool-Aid. Just because everyone believes it 
doesn't make it true, and everyone does it can be a matter of monkey 
see, monkey do.  .

Two major reasons for using SMAs and BNCs is that they have a smaller 
footprint on a panel, which is a big deal with today's more compact 
equipment.

Your comments re: the importance of keeping connectors tight is right on 
target.

Recently I've been hearing that the DIN connectors for hard line are 
greatly superior, and if I were living in the UHF world and had 
professional dollars to spend  I'd probably use them.

73, Jim K9YC
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Re: [Elecraft] K1 Stand Screw Size

2012-04-25 Thread K8QI
You might want to download the instructions for the KTS1 stand.
Looking at my parts inventory sheet for my KTS1, it looks like its a 10-32
1/2 inch long.
73
Barry K8QI

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Re: [Elecraft] looking for a open source waterfall/pabadepter display for the KX3. any ideas

2012-04-25 Thread Barry LaZar
I think I would try PowerSDR-IQ. It has all sorts of handy capabilities. 
It will take the I and Q data from any source. There is a DLL that will 
allow it to interface with the K3. Therefore, I'm guessing that it 
should work with the KX3.

73,
Barry
K3NDM

On 4/25/2012 3:42 PM, Jussi Eloranta wrote:
 Hi,

 looking for a open source waterfall/pabadepter display for the KX3.
 any ideas

 Haven't gotten my kx3 yet so can't say for sure that the following will
 work but most likely:

 - quisk (win/linux/mac; http://james.ahlstrom.name/quisk/; not sure if
 rig control works). It takes general I/Q in and can make the waterfall etc.
 - kcomm ( http://www.g4ilo.com/kcomm.html; supports win  linux but
 should also compile on macs; supports k3 rig control which should work
 with kx3). This has waterfall display among other things.

 I am sure there are others (windoze only) but don't know much about
 them... some might even run under wine on other platforms. I recall that
 there is a list of useful software on Elecraft web pages somewhere.

 Jussi Eloranta
 AA6KJ

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Re: [Elecraft] Regarding KAT500 current drain

2012-04-25 Thread Richard Squire - HB9ANM
But of course, you can power a relay from the K3 12V connector
to control whatever you like!


Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft wrote
 
 No. We do not recommend powering this number of devices form the K3 AUX 
 12v conn.
 


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Re: [Elecraft] looking for a open source waterfall/pabadepter display for the KX3. any ideas

2012-04-25 Thread Don Wilhelm
Actually NaP3 works better and removes a lot of the clutter from the 
Flex origins of PSDR-IQ, and it is still being improved.  It was written 
for the K3, but will work with th eKX3 with a few exceptions.
Take a look at the LP-Pan Yahoo group for a lot more discussion.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 4/25/2012 4:03 PM, Barry LaZar wrote:
 I think I would try PowerSDR-IQ. It has all sorts of handy capabilities.
 It will take the I and Q data from any source. There is a DLL that will
 allow it to interface with the K3. Therefore, I'm guessing that it
 should work with the KX3.

 73,
 Barry
 K3NDM

 On 4/25/2012 3:42 PM, Jussi Eloranta wrote:
 Hi,

   looking for a open source waterfall/pabadepter display for the KX3.
 any ideas

 Haven't gotten my kx3 yet so can't say for sure that the following will
 work but most likely:

 - quisk (win/linux/mac; http://james.ahlstrom.name/quisk/; not sure if
 rig control works). It takes general I/Q in and can make the waterfall etc.
 - kcomm ( http://www.g4ilo.com/kcomm.html; supports win   linux but
 should also compile on macs; supports k3 rig control which should work
 with kx3). This has waterfall display among other things.

 I am sure there are others (windoze only) but don't know much about
 them... some might even run under wine on other platforms. I recall that
 there is a list of useful software on Elecraft web pages somewhere.

 Jussi Eloranta
 AA6KJ

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Re: [Elecraft] looking for a open source waterfall/pabadepter display for the KX3. any ideas

2012-04-25 Thread Tony Estep
On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 2:42 PM, Jussi Eloranta jmelora...@gmail.comwrote:

 ...- quisk...- kcomm...

===
In addition to the Linux programs that Jussi mentions there is at least one
open-source for Windows that I can think of, SDR# (http://sdrsharp.com/). I
haven't used it but it has gotten good commentary from those who have.

good luck,
Tony KT0NY




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Re: [Elecraft] Regarding KAT500 current drain

2012-04-25 Thread hawley, charles j jr
That was my first thought actually, but I am using the RR strip right now. 
Maybe we need an empty box about the size of the tuner box for the home brew K3 
custom accessory.

Chuck, KE9UW
aka Jack, BMW Motorcycles


From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] on 
behalf of Richard Squire - HB9ANM [hb9...@bluewin.ch]
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 3:10 PM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Regarding KAT500 current drain

But of course, you can power a relay from the K3 12V connector
to control whatever you like!


Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft wrote

 No. We do not recommend powering this number of devices form the K3 AUX
 12v conn.



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[Elecraft] txinh timing??

2012-04-25 Thread Mark n2qt
I've looked but can't find the spec on how long after after initiating TXINH 
is the
K3 transmitter at zero power?

(I'm working on an so2r interface which can take away an antenna from the 
low
priority rig even if it was transmitting. )

It looks like the TXINH is a polled input and may be a bit a slow for my 
application.


Mark n2qt

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Re: [Elecraft] High Sierra in qst

2012-04-25 Thread Larry Libsch
Eric, Group -

 I own a High Sierra screwdriver antenna purchased in 2001 and 
used portable on the back of my RV all around the US and Canada. The 
antenna has needed several new contact springs, but has provided 
reliable service given regular maintenance. However, my experience with 
Jim and with High Sierra customer service has been consistently poor. No 
customer service by phone, emails unanswered. I have found Jim to be 
arrogant, offensive and unhelpful. This is a strong statement, but it 
accurately reflects my experience. My unit has served me well but I 
would not consider buying another antenna from this company.

 
 
 K4KGG,   Larry
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[Elecraft] calibrating bfo/dds kx1

2012-04-25 Thread Ian Watson
I have a minor query on calibrating the dds on a kx1. I have followed the 
instruction manual and selected a strong sw am station. After adjusting the bfo 
to -.07 both sidebands are identical, next I tuned to the frequency the station 
is transmitted on. Using dds I adjusted one of the sidebands to sound correct 
at that frequency, it was dds = 10.

Now according to the manual that's it, but when I selected between lsb and usb 
at that same frequency the sidebands appear different? I would have thought 
they should be the same.

What did I do wrong, any kx1 dds bfo wizards out there? I'm not sure how the 
adjustments interact.

73,
Ian MM0GYX
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Re: [Elecraft] calibrating bfo/dds kx1

2012-04-25 Thread Don Wilhelm
Ian,

I suspect that you were depending on your ears when you set the BFO, and 
you ended up a bit off.
I use WWV here because they transmit well defined tones - I also use 
Spectrogram (you can use just about any audio spectrum analyzer) to 
display the tone frequencies so that I can be certain I have tuned them 
correctly.

It sounds like you did it right, so go back to the BFO part of the 
procedure.  You can either start over with the parameter set to zero, or 
you can see how much frequency difference there is with the current 
settings and either add or subtract from the current setting.

There is really no interaction, but the BFO setting must be correct 
before setting the DDS.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 4/25/2012 5:26 PM, Ian Watson wrote:
 I have a minor query on calibrating the dds on a kx1. I have followed the 
 instruction manual and selected a strong sw am station. After adjusting the 
 bfo to -.07 both sidebands are identical, next I tuned to the frequency the 
 station is transmitted on. Using dds I adjusted one of the sidebands to sound 
 correct at that frequency, it was dds = 10.

 Now according to the manual that's it, but when I selected between lsb and 
 usb at that same frequency the sidebands appear different? I would have 
 thought they should be the same.

 What did I do wrong, any kx1 dds bfo wizards out there? I'm not sure how the 
 adjustments interact.

 73,
 Ian MM0GYX
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Re: [Elecraft] New KAT500 pics from the Visalia DX convention BNC and Bad cables (Morphed)

2012-04-25 Thread Bill K9YEQ
Not to claim to be some super operator or know it all... This is the safest
way to keep track of bad cables.  I have a few waiting for new ends.  And
Don's last paragraph makes great sense.  Modified equipment has less value.
I want the wife to get all she can out of my equipment when I die while
running (not in the shack on my PC and HR).

73,
Bill
K9YEQ


-Original Message-
...  I do keep a constant check on the BNC connectors - if the shield
escapes the clamp, or the center conductor is pulled back, I discard the
cable, or simply cut off the offending cable end so I know to repair it
later.

For those with more permanent stations, I would highly recommend sticking
with theUHF connectors or using UHF to BNC adapters rather than modifying
your equipment. Just my humble opinion.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 4/24/2012 10:37 PM, Craig Smith wrote:
 I installed the Oak Hills BNC connectors in my K3 during the initial build
5 years ago.  Great decision.   Much more convenient and allows for rapid
cable changes.  Everything in my shack and antenna runs has been
standardized with BNCs.

 73  Craig  AC0DS

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Re: [Elecraft] MAC KX3 utility

2012-04-25 Thread Robert Galambos


got it to work BUT now, even when i clicked on 'versions now' (firmware 
tab) the 'available' stats is 'missing'


and yes, i do have connectivity and no firewall



check for new


On 12-04-25 12:23 AM, David Fleming wrote:
 Also, if Fusion is still running, you will need to disconnect the USB/Serial 
 adapter from the Windows virtual session. Else, OS X will not see it.

 David, W4SMT

 --- On Wed, 4/25/12, David Flemingdf...@yahoo.com  wrote:

 From: David Flemingdf...@yahoo.com
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] MAC KX3 utility
 To: Elecraft reflectorelecraft@mailman.qth.net
 Cc: va3...@gmail.com
 Date: Wednesday, April 25, 2012, 12:08 AM
 Robert,

 If you are seeing only the bluetooth ports, then the
 USB/Serial driver is either too old or not installed
 properly on Snow Leopard. What type of USB/Serial adapter
 are you using? If it is a Prolific based device, you will
 need to install the most current driver. This one:

 http://w4smt.com/KX3/md_PL2303_MacOSX10.6_dmg_v1.4.0.zip

 If it is a FTDI based device, install this one:

 http://w4smt.com/KX3/FTDIUSBSerialDriver_v2_2_17.dmg

 This should solve the problem.

 David, W4SMT


 --- On Tue, 4/24/12, Robert Galambosva3...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 From: Robert Galambosva3...@gmail.com
 Subject: [Elecraft] MAC KX3 utility
 To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
 Date: Tuesday, April 24, 2012, 11:52 PM
 tried the mac version of the KX3
 utility. it did not work

 and here is the senerio.

 i have fusion. running windows 7 i have no problem
 connecting to the
 utility. it recognizes the USB driver ( in my case
 COM3)
 update firmware
 etc works

 so now after installing the USB driver on the mac side,
 the
 error
 message comes back KX3 not responding when i test the
 connection.

 in this case i only have two Bluetooth port options
 aand
 niether work.

 running snow leopard



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[Elecraft] Connectors

2012-04-25 Thread Alan Bloom
(Changing to a more descriptive Subject line)

1.  One nice thing about female BNC connectors is that they are
compatible with male type-N connectors.  Try it - they plug right in.
Of course, there is no locking mechanism, so it wouldn't be good for
something like a mobile installation, but otherwise it works fine and
saves an adapter.

2.  One advantage that BNC and N have over UHF is that the ground
connection doesn't depend on the shell being properly tightened.

3.  I've had excellent reliability from UHF plugs as long as I pre-tin
the coax braid and solder it through the holes.  That's true both with
RG-8 type cable as well as the smaller RF-58 with the adapter.

4.  Regarding RF loss in UHF connectors, it isn't as bad as many people
think.  I did an Internet search and found the Usenet posting I made on
the subject about 20 (!) years ago:

From: ... (Alan Bloom)
Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1992 23:03:13 GMT
Subject: The Truth about UHF Connectors
Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Santa Rosa, CA
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc

Ya gotta feel sorry for UHF connectors. Recent strings on this notes
group lambasted them as worthless at VHF and above, and barely tolerable
at HF. One poster called them 5 dB attenuators, and many agreed that
there must be some sort of conspiracy among ham equipment manufacturers
to inflict such garbage connectors on the amateur community.

Today I finally remembered to bring some UHF adapters from home so I
could do some relative measurements of UHF versus type-N.  As expected,
the type-N showed lower insertion loss at high frequencies, but the UHF
connectors were hardly 5 dB attenuators.

For the test I connected an HP8753 RF network analyzer through two short
BNC cables into the following arrangement:
   _________
  |   |  | BNC female |  | N female- |  | N male to  |  |   |
__| 10 dB |__| to N male  |__| N female  |__| BNC female |__| 10 dB |__
  | Atten.|  | adapter|  | adapter   |  | adapter|  | Atten.|
  |___|  ||  |___|  ||  |___|

Then I repeated the measurement with the N adapters replaced with UHF.
I normalized the measurements by replacing the 3 adapters with a BNC
double-female. (That is, this was assumed to have 0 dB loss.)

Since two N or UHF adapters were used, I assume the loss per connector
is half the total. The vertical scale was .1 dB/division, so I estimated
the insertion loss to the nearest .01 dB or so:

- Type N    -- UHF --
FREQ (MHz)  TOTAL  LOSS PER CONNECTOR   TOTAL  LOSS PER CONNECTOR
1.8 0 dB   0 dB 0 dB   0 dB
30  0  00  0
100 0  00  0
150 0  00.02   0.01
200 0  00.03   0.015
450 0  00.18   0.09
600 0  00.26   0.13
900 0  00.66   0.33
10000.05   0.0250.80.4
13000.10.05 0.86   0.43
16000.05   0.0250.50.25
20000.05   0.0250.02   0.01

Insertion loss increases until about 1300 MHz, and then starts to
decrease until it is almost zero for the UHF connector at 2 GHz!  At
that frequency, the connectors are about 1/4 wave long (1 inch,
assuming .66 velocity factor), so I assume that the two adapters are
providing a conjugate match to each other. This confirms my assumption
that the insertion loss is due to reflections (impedance mismatch), not
absorption (true power loss).

Bottom line: UHF connectors work fine through the VHF range, and are not
too bad even on the 420 MHz band if you can stand about .1 dB mismatch
loss per connector.

By the way, I did not do the full 2-port calibration on the HP8753, so
there was a couple hundredth's dB ripple in the plots. I averaged this
out by eye to come up with the numbers in the above chart.

AL N1AL

P.S. Sorry, I guess I violated the Usenet rule against posting objective
data... :=)


On Wed, 2012-04-25 at 09:50 -0800, Edward R. Cole wrote:
 I assume all you have read this thread so not going to repeat all 
 prior e-mail in my post.
 
 First off only place you will find PL259/SO239 UHF connectors is on 
 ham, CB and some marine radio equipment made today.  Commercial 
 radios long have gone to other connectors with N-connectors being 
 favored for VHF+ site located systems.  Mobiles and HT's have a 
 variety of connectors from BNC, TNC, mini-UHF, RCA-phono (gawd 
 awful), sma and a whole host of tiny specialty connectors used on 
 wireless stuff, smart phones, etc.
 
 In my professional life I moved most cabling to either N or BNC vs 
 UHF.  This was for reliability.  BNC were normally used on RG-58 
 cable jumpers and lower power stuff where measurements were frequent 
 requiring cable removal.
 
 The use 

Re: [Elecraft] Connectors

2012-04-25 Thread Don Wilhelm
Al,

Great information!  Yes, I can agree that properly tightened UHF 
connectors do not inflict much loss.  I think the main problem has been 
with inadequate tightening - as you pointed out the shield connection 
requires that that UHF connectors be tight.  How many hams wiggle the 
PL-259 connector a bit to be certain it is seated in the notch of the 
SO-239 - this is not a casual connector for making quick connections and 
disconnections.

Where am I going with this - well, with the KPA100, we have long 
recommended disconnect the antenna when not in use to protect the 
wattmeter diodes from static damage.  While this is a good concept, the 
literal interpretation of that statement may actually inflict damage 
because of the way the UHF connector connects.  With a PL-259, the 
center conductor is what makes contact first - if there is a static 
charge on that feedline, that charge will be transferred to your 
equipment without a chance to bleed it off - the only way to prevent 
that is to either short across the feedline (if there is a ground 
connection for the shield) or some other means should be used to bleed 
off the charge before attaching a feedline with a PL-259 connector to 
any equipment.  Type N and BNC do not have this problem - the shell 
makes contact first.


On 4/25/2012 7:09 PM, Alan Bloom wrote:
 (Changing to a more descriptive Subject line)


 4.  Regarding RF loss in UHF connectors, it isn't as bad as many people
 think.  I did an Internet search and found the Usenet posting I made on
 the subject about 20 (!) years ago:


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Re: [Elecraft] Connectors

2012-04-25 Thread Tony Estep
On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 6:09 PM, Alan Bloom n...@sonic.net wrote:

 ...Sorry, I guess I violated the Usenet rule against posting
 objective data...
 

Ah, Alan, you are a repeat offender. However, do not feel bad. Contrary to
what you may have heard, recently certain philosophers have concluded that
objective data is not always bad. They argue that it is in fact one of the
four basic categories of acceptable standards of proof:

1. proof by handwaving/buzzword invocation/TABLE-POUNDING
2. proof by appeal to authority/expertise/experience/common sense/universal
knowledge
3. proof by mathematical or other rigorous analysis
4. proof by experimental data

All the above have their adherents and detractors, all are in wide use, and
all have their moments in the sun on the internet.

73,
Tony KT0NY
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Re: [Elecraft] MAC KX3 utility

2012-04-25 Thread Dick Dievendorff
Try clicking the Copy files from Elecraft button to get the missing
files from the Elecraft file server.
There may be a troubleshooting section in Help on Missing files.

Dick, K6KR


-Original Message-
From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net
[mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Robert Galambos
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 3:28 PM
To: df...@yahoo.com
Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] MAC KX3 utility



got it to work BUT now, even when i clicked on 'versions now' (firmware 
tab) the 'available' stats is 'missing'


and yes, i do have connectivity and no firewall



check for new


On 12-04-25 12:23 AM, David Fleming wrote:
 Also, if Fusion is still running, you will need to disconnect the
USB/Serial adapter from the Windows virtual session. Else, OS X will not see
it.

 David, W4SMT

 --- On Wed, 4/25/12, David Flemingdf...@yahoo.com  wrote:

 From: David Flemingdf...@yahoo.com
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] MAC KX3 utility
 To: Elecraft reflectorelecraft@mailman.qth.net
 Cc: va3...@gmail.com
 Date: Wednesday, April 25, 2012, 12:08 AM
 Robert,

 If you are seeing only the bluetooth ports, then the
 USB/Serial driver is either too old or not installed
 properly on Snow Leopard. What type of USB/Serial adapter
 are you using? If it is a Prolific based device, you will
 need to install the most current driver. This one:

 http://w4smt.com/KX3/md_PL2303_MacOSX10.6_dmg_v1.4.0.zip

 If it is a FTDI based device, install this one:

 http://w4smt.com/KX3/FTDIUSBSerialDriver_v2_2_17.dmg

 This should solve the problem.

 David, W4SMT


 --- On Tue, 4/24/12, Robert Galambosva3...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 From: Robert Galambosva3...@gmail.com
 Subject: [Elecraft] MAC KX3 utility
 To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
 Date: Tuesday, April 24, 2012, 11:52 PM
 tried the mac version of the KX3
 utility. it did not work

 and here is the senerio.

 i have fusion. running windows 7 i have no problem
 connecting to the
 utility. it recognizes the USB driver ( in my case
 COM3)
 update firmware
 etc works

 so now after installing the USB driver on the mac side,
 the
 error
 message comes back KX3 not responding when i test the
 connection.

 in this case i only have two Bluetooth port options
 aand
 niether work.

 running snow leopard



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[Elecraft] OT brain trust question

2012-04-25 Thread Vic K2VCO
My 10-year old grandson wants to build a robot. Who makes good robot kits that 
we can 
build together?

Please answer off list to avoid annoying everyone!

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Re: [Elecraft] Connectors

2012-04-25 Thread Fred Jensen
Tony, you forgot one, there's

5.  Proof by Powerpoint.

73,

Fred K6DGW
- Northern California Contest Club
- CU in the 2012 Cal QSO Party 6-7 Oct 2012
- www.cqp.org

On 4/25/2012 4:55 PM, Tony Estep wrote:

 Ah, Alan, you are a repeat offender. However, do not feel bad. Contrary to
 what you may have heard, recently certain philosophers have concluded that
 objective data is not always bad. They argue that it is in fact one of the
 four basic categories of acceptable standards of proof:

 1. proof by handwaving/buzzword invocation/TABLE-POUNDING
 2. proof by appeal to authority/expertise/experience/common sense/universal
 knowledge
 3. proof by mathematical or other rigorous analysis
 4. proof by experimental data

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Re: [Elecraft] Connectors

2012-04-25 Thread hawley, charles j jr
...just because there's no data, it doesn't mean you're wrong Einstein 
(probably)

Sent from my iPad

On Apr 25, 2012, at 8:47 PM, Fred Jensen k6...@foothill.net wrote:

 Tony, you forgot one, there's
 
 5.  Proof by Powerpoint.
 
 73,
 
 Fred K6DGW
 - Northern California Contest Club
 - CU in the 2012 Cal QSO Party 6-7 Oct 2012
 - www.cqp.org
 
 On 4/25/2012 4:55 PM, Tony Estep wrote:
 
 Ah, Alan, you are a repeat offender. However, do not feel bad. Contrary to
 what you may have heard, recently certain philosophers have concluded that
 objective data is not always bad. They argue that it is in fact one of the
 four basic categories of acceptable standards of proof:
 
 1. proof by handwaving/buzzword invocation/TABLE-POUNDING
 2. proof by appeal to authority/expertise/experience/common sense/universal
 knowledge
 3. proof by mathematical or other rigorous analysis
 4. proof by experimental data
 
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Re: [Elecraft] Connectors

2012-04-25 Thread John
This compares well enough with my measurements...

http://www.hamradio.me/graphs/connectors/UHFConnectorGraphs/Mismatch-Loss_1000.png
 

http://www.hamradio.me/graphs/connectors/UHFConnectorGraphs/Insertion-Loss_S21_1000.png
 


Some of the longer UHF barrels show the repeating characteristic you 
observed which I assume is when the different transmission line is 
about 1/2 wavelength long.

John, kx4o

On 4/25/12 7:09 PM, Alan Bloom wrote:
Since two N or UHF adapters were used, I assume the loss per connector
is half the total. The vertical scale was .1 dB/division, so I estimated
the insertion loss to the nearest .01 dB or so:

  - Type N    -- UHF --
FREQ (MHz)  TOTAL  LOSS PER CONNECTOR   TOTAL  LOSS PER CONNECTOR
1.8 0 dB   0 dB 0 dB   0 dB
30  0  00  0
100 0  00  0
150 0  00.02   0.01
200 0  00.03   0.015
450 0  00.18   0.09
600 0  00.26   0.13
900 0  00.66   0.33
10000.05   0.0250.80.4
13000.10.05 0.86   0.43
16000.05   0.0250.50.25
20000.05   0.0250.02   0.01

Insertion loss increases until about 1300 MHz, and then starts to
decrease until it is almost zero for the UHF connector at 2 GHz!  At
that frequency, the connectors are about 1/4 wave long (1 inch,
assuming .66 velocity factor), so I assume that the two adapters are
providing a conjugate match to each other. This confirms my assumption
that the insertion loss is due to reflections (impedance mismatch), not
absorption (true power loss).
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Re: [Elecraft] looking for a open source waterfall/pabadepter display for the KX3. any ideas

2012-04-25 Thread Leigh L. Klotz Jr WA5ZNU
You might be interested in my Cascata project.
http://wa5znu.org/2011/07/cascata/

Leigh/WA5ZNU
P.S. I'm also a quisk contributor.

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Re: [Elecraft] Connectors

2012-04-25 Thread Jim Brown
On 4/25/2012 4:09 PM, Alan Bloom wrote:
 P.S. Sorry, I guess I violated the Usenet rule against posting objective 
 data...

It should be noted that in an earlier post, I noted that I had measured 
the loss of 1300 ft of coax with characteristics like LMR400 that had 
been cut into 100 ft and 200 ft lengths for a DX trip. I noted that 
there were at least 25 PL259s and 13 Amphenol barrels in line, and that 
the loss at every frequency up to 500 MHz was less than the mfr's spec 
for the cable at that frequency.  While I did not go to the extent of 
finding and measuring 1,300 ft of the same coax and subtracting out the 
loss, I submit that my measurements show that the loss in those 38 
connectors is negligible to at least 500 MHz.

And I also submit that not every small deviation from the ideal MATTERS 
in every real world conditions. Good engineering is making good choices 
for a given situation. The world does not need the $800 hammers demanded 
by certain military specs.

Shouting down?  Hardly -- when completely illogical arguments were 
presented as justification for a position I pointed them out.

Also -- I don't trust the precision of loss measurements for very small 
losses -- there are two many factors that can pollute the measurement, 
and often the accuracy of the instrumentation is a significant.fraction 
of the result being measured. For example, try getting a good number for 
the loss of 100 ft of LMR400 at 1.8 MHz. You'd better be measuring at 
least 1,000 ft to get even 10% accuracy!  Several years ago, a VE1 (RGB, 
I think) sent me data for measurements he had made of a sizable number 
of UHF connectors in a string.  His numbers for loss in a single 
connector were significantly less than what Alan has posted.

73, Jim K9YC
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Re: [Elecraft] Connectors

2012-04-25 Thread Jim Wiley


It's nice to have some fresh air amongst the smoke.  Thanks Jim.   


I have been using UHF connectors for decades without a single problem, 
with the caveat that I purchase ONLY brand name (e.g.: Amphenol) 
connectors, take care to install them properly, and use them only once 
(reuse of connectors removed from other cables is not permitted in my 
station) . 


And yes, I do use type N fittings and other less common types (type C, 
7/8 flange, etc.) for some work where appropriate.


- Jim, KL7CC



Jim Brown wrote:
 On 4/25/2012 4:09 PM, Alan Bloom wrote:
   
 P.S. Sorry, I guess I violated the Usenet rule against posting objective 
 data...
 

 It should be noted that in an earlier post, I noted that I had measured 
 the loss of 1300 ft of coax with characteristics like LMR400 that had 
 been cut into 100 ft and 200 ft lengths for a DX trip. I noted that 
 there were at least 25 PL259s and 13 Amphenol barrels in line, and that 
 the loss at every frequency up to 500 MHz was less than the mfr's spec 
 for the cable at that frequency.  While I did not go to the extent of 
 finding and measuring 1,300 ft of the same coax and subtracting out the 
 loss, I submit that my measurements show that the loss in those 38 
 connectors is negligible to at least 500 MHz.

 And I also submit that not every small deviation from the ideal MATTERS 
 in every real world conditions. Good engineering is making good choices 
 for a given situation. The world does not need the $800 hammers demanded 
 by certain military specs.

 Shouting down?  Hardly -- when completely illogical arguments were 
 presented as justification for a position I pointed them out.

 Also -- I don't trust the precision of loss measurements for very small 
 losses -- there are two many factors that can pollute the measurement, 
 and often the accuracy of the instrumentation is a significant.fraction 
 of the result being measured. For example, try getting a good number for 
 the loss of 100 ft of LMR400 at 1.8 MHz. You'd better be measuring at 
 least 1,000 ft to get even 10% accuracy!  Several years ago, a VE1 (RGB, 
 I think) sent me data for measurements he had made of a sizable number 
 of UHF connectors in a string.  His numbers for loss in a single 
 connector were significantly less than what Alan has posted.

 73, Jim K9YC
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[Elecraft] K3 and JT65

2012-04-25 Thread Jim Miller KG0KP
OK, I think this may have been discussed but I cannot find it.

Seems like I remember a gain mod for the K3 line output    Maybe it was 
something else but I wasn't interested at the time.

I am trying to run JT65-HF for the first time and I find that even with the 
gain in the program at max that the input to the PC from the K3 line out is 
not enough except for the strongest signals.  I have the gains in the PC set 
to 100% for all.  HRD and DM780 for all of the digital modes works just 
fine. as it is.

Thanks es 73, de Jim KG0KP 


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Re: [Elecraft] K3 and JT65

2012-04-25 Thread iain macdonnell - N6ML
Jim,

What do you have CONFIG:LIN OUT set to? I usually run it around 20.

73,

~iain / N6ML



On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 11:20 PM, Jim Miller KG0KP
jimmil...@stl-online.net wrote:
 OK, I think this may have been discussed but I cannot find it.

 Seems like I remember a gain mod for the K3 line output    Maybe it was
 something else but I wasn't interested at the time.

 I am trying to run JT65-HF for the first time and I find that even with the
 gain in the program at max that the input to the PC from the K3 line out is
 not enough except for the strongest signals.  I have the gains in the PC set
 to 100% for all.  HRD and DM780 for all of the digital modes works just
 fine. as it is.

 Thanks es 73, de Jim KG0KP


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[Elecraft] Help Please KIO2 L4 Burnt Out

2012-04-25 Thread VK1OO
Hi,

My K2 rig control via a KIO2 stopped.  I discovered that RF sub 
miniature choke L4, 100 micro Henry,  on the main KIO2 board was open 
circuit - no evidence of excessive heat etc.  L4 is in the RS232 ground 
path.  Shorting out L4 restored rig control.  I replaced L4 with a 
larger version (all that I could find locally) but rig control didn't 
work.  I tested the new L4 and it was open circuit, again no evidence of 
excessive heat.  So the question is, what would cause excessive current 
through L4?

I feed the KIO2 via a USB to RS232 converter which plugs into a four 
port USB hub which plugs into a lap top.  This combination has worked OK 
for several years.

Mike VK1OO
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