Re: [Elecraft] 756ProIII vs K3
Nostalgia trip. Built my Eico 720 in 62, but splurged with an HQ-170A rcvr. After spending around 5 hours a day (average) for 6 1/2 years doing CW intercept, spinning the knobs on an SP-600, Hammarlund seemed a good way to go. Still have a couple of 40 mtr xtals for the 720. The big jump was the VFO for the 720. Went from the 720 to Heathkit SB-300/400, to Collins 75s3/32s3, to Kenwood TS870S, then to presently the K3/100, KPA500, and P3 (all kits, and no hardware/software failures, except those of the operator induced kind.). I would have loved a K3 during my intercept days. Ever try changing bands from 10m to say 40m or 80m on an R-390. Not my idea of fun. Sounds like a few Keesler Thompson Hall folks out there. Right Fred. OK, enough OT. Thanks for the memories. Good luck on that 720 Phil. 73, Rick, W7LKG -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Phil Hystad Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2014 22:14 To: Milt -- N5IA Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] 756ProIII vs K3 Actually, I am in the slow process of rebuilding an Eico 720 right now. I am doing from scratch with all new parts except for the transformers, switches and inductors. I am even putting new tube sockets in the chassis and also new terminal strips. I am still in the process of collecting everything before I start. I have two Eico 720s from which I am starting. I think one of them was a factory built unit because a number of parts like tube sockets and the modulator socket on the rear as well as the VFO switch on the back were mounted with rivets rather than pan head screws and nuts. It is a slow background project though. But, I do have some 40-meter crystals all ready for when it is finished. 73, phil, K7PEH On Apr 13, 2014, at 9:26 PM, Milt -- N5IA n...@zia-connection.com wrote: Boy, you guys were in HIGH cotton with those great receivers I built my Eico 720 in 1960 but all I could afford for a RX was a National NC-60. I later added a home brew Q-multiplier to the NC-60 and that was my station until 1965. MEMORIES!! Now it is K-3's forever. 73 de Milt, N5IA -Original Message- From: Phil Hystad Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2014 8:30 PM To: d...@nk7z.net Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] 756ProIII vs K3 And, better than my HQ-170AC and Eico 720 circa '60s. On Apr 13, 2014, at 7:50 PM, David Cole d...@nk7z.net wrote: I know it must be better than the old HQ-110, and Eico 720! :) -- Thanks and 73's, For equipment, and software setups and reviews see: www.nk7z.net for MixW support see; http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info for Dopplergram information see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/dopplergram/info for MM-SSTV see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info On Sun, 2014-04-13 at 18:44 -0700, Phil Wheeler wrote: David, my K3 is very new (#8004) and it's the best rig I've owned in 60 years at this hobby (of course, those in the early years weren't even close -- first was a converted WWII Arc-V pair, heavily converted). You will love it, I predict. 73, Phil w7ox On 4/13/14, 6:33 PM, David Cole wrote: That is what I wanted to hear, I bought teh K3 because of the filters... I am glad to see someone saying something positive them! THANK YOU! __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to d...@nk7z.net __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to phys...@mac.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to n...@zia-connection.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4569 / Virus Database: 3882/7340 - Release Date: 04/13/14 - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4569 / Virus Database: 3882/7340 - Release Date: 04/13/14 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post:
Re: [Elecraft] KAT500 Problem --- switching antennas
Same FW here...I can confirm the dicky switch action also and this has been going on since the upgrade but not before. Easily repeatable here too. Gary On 14 April 2014 11:49, Fred Jensen k6...@foothill.net wrote: 1.63, 3 antennas, all OK here 73, Fred K6DGW - Northern California Contest Club - CU in the 2014 Cal QSO Party 4-5 Oct 2014 - www.cqp.org On 4/13/2014 4:15 PM, Cady, Fred wrote: Not seeing it here, Phil. KAT firmware 1.63 73, Fred KE7X __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to vk1zzg...@gmail.com -- *Gary - VK1ZZ, K3NHLSkype: Gary.VK1ZZhttp://www.qsl.net/vk1zz http://www.qsl.net/vk1zzMotorhome Portable* *Grumpy's House* *Elecraft K3KPA500FTKAT500FT* __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft SSB net
There was horrendous interference here in North Carolina.. Sounded like a radar like signal.. (Shlubshlubshlub shlub shlub) - along with folk doing extended tuneups on the frequency long after people were trying to talk. I could occasionally get bits and pieces of Phil in the mud.. clearly something like a hexabeam will help, but will need significant budgetary enhancements to get that flying... (I have a rotor for a hexbeam just don't have the right poleyet.) KK4QDZ - Now with Extra Class Priv's, and a tiny KX3 to enjoy them! From: John Marvin jm...@themarvins.org To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Monday, April 14, 2014 1:07 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft SSB net I logged in for the first time, even though my only significant piece of equipment is the KXPA100 amp. Band conditions weren't great, so it's possible you just couldn't hear most of the people loggin in. Obviously you didn't hear the net control or the primary relay. I am surprised you didn't hear anyone logging in. My guess is that if you try again next week you'll have better luck, assuming band conditions are better. John AC0ZG On 4/13/2014 7:58 PM, Slava Baytalskiy wrote: How does this net work? I tried to get on today, at 2 PM EST (1800Z). I heard almost nothing. Some random people calling CQ and what not. No net control. Is there a particular protocol that this net follows? Was it even on today? Just curious... Slava B W2RMS On Apr 13, 2014, at 1:31 AM, Phil Shepard ph...@riousa.com wrote: The weekly SSB net meets tomorrow (4/13/14) at 1800Z on 14.3035 MHz. I’ll be the NCS from Oregon. See you there. 73, Phil, NS7P __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net/ Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to sla...@nullserv.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net/ Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to jm...@themarvins.org __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net/ Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to billblomg...@yahoo.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
[Elecraft] K3 event macros
Hello, In VHF weak signal traffic it's often very useful to end the transmission by a bip sound (the QSO partner knows you are now listening). To do this, I try to write a K3 macro launched by the release of the microphone transmit button. This macro could activate a voice recorder memory place with the bip recorded inside (sure, they are better solutions). Writing the macro itself is probably not a big deal but I didn't found in the K3 programmer manual how to launch the macro as the microphone transmit buton is released - a kind event driven programmation ! Any idea ? 73 Luc/F6HJO/HB9ABB __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 event macros
Wouldn't it be simpler to just touch the dit paddle of your key? 73, Mike NF4L On Apr 14, 2014, at 7:00 AM, Luc Favre luc-fa...@orange.fr wrote: Hello, In VHF weak signal traffic it's often very useful to end the transmission by a bip sound (the QSO partner knows you are now listening). To do this, I try to write a K3 macro launched by the release of the microphone transmit button. This macro could activate a voice recorder memory place with the bip recorded inside (sure, they are better solutions). Writing the macro itself is probably not a big deal but I didn't found in the K3 programmer manual how to launch the macro as the microphone transmit buton is released - a kind event driven programmation ! Any idea ? 73 Luc/F6HJO/HB9ABB __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to n...@nf4l.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] KAT500 Problem --- switching antennas
Check to see which antennas are enabled for that band via the utility. I have 3 antennas and have them set for auto select only on specific bands. If I try to use my dipole (antenna 1, which WILL tune) on 15 meters by selecting the antenna (it's not enabled on that band, only the tribander - antenna 2) I get the same results you do. You will have to (via the utility's configuration tab) enable the antennas you want along with the band(s) you want them on before you can have it work the way you want. You might also have to select the Last Used click box as well. Jim - W0EB More experimenting this afternoon... I am pretty sure now that it is the switch itself. If I do a press and hold (as if it had one of those famous hold functions) then the switch operates just fine. No problems. But, if I press as pressing a normal switch like I do a hundred times a day on the Elecraft gear (OK, maybe 30 times a day) then at times (more than half) the switch bounces back. But, it is strange that this behavior started right after I upgraded firmware to 1.63. I mean, the entire time I have had the KAT500 I have not had a problem with this switch until after the upgrade. So, if I were to assume wild things I could assume that the timing has changed a little bit on these button pushes. Maybe the software used to detect a button press faster than it does now or something like that. Not sure. But, the other antenna LED does briefly flash on before it bounces back. So, maybe it is a physical problem with a double hit on the switch itself. Just wild guesses here. I have done some PIC coding before with switch sensing so I understand that this could be an issue but then again, maybe just a funky switch. 73, phil, K7PEH On Apr 13, 2014, at 4:15 PM, Cady, Fred fc...@ece.montana.edu wrote: Not seeing it here, Phil. KAT firmware 1.63 73, Fred KE7X -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft- boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Phil Hystad Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2014 3:02 PM To: Elecraft Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 Problem --- switching antennas Ever since the most recent KAT500/KPA500 firmware updates, switching between antenna 1 and 2 shows funny behavior. For example, on the 20 meter band I have two antennas: Antenna #1 -- Wire 80-meter Dipole (ladder line fed) Antenna #2 -- Hex beam So, I am positioned on antenna #2 for 20 meters. I switch manually with the KAT500 to antenna #1. This works fine. Then, when I switch from #1 back to #2, the KAT500 briefly goes to #2 enough to light up the #2 LED but then immediately bounces back to #1. Now, if I switch again from #1 to #2, there is no bounce back and everything is fine. This problem is totally repeatable. Always on a bounce the first attempt to return to #2 from #1 but the second time (done immediately) works fine without problems. Anyone else see this behavior. 73, phil, K7PEH __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to fc...@ece.montana.edu __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to w...@cox.net __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] 756ProIII vs K3
First RX I had was a regenerative homebrew one tube thing... Used to listen to OEN on it. Until I grabbed the coil, which was in the plate ckt. That would routinely teach me a lesson about HV. -- Thanks and 73's, For equipment, and software setups and reviews see: www.nk7z.net for MixW support see; http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info for Dopplergram information see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/dopplergram/info for MM-SSTV see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info On Sun, 2014-04-13 at 21:26 -0700, Milt -- N5IA wrote: Boy, you guys were in HIGH cotton with those great receivers I built my Eico 720 in 1960 but all I could afford for a RX was a National NC-60. I later added a home brew Q-multiplier to the NC-60 and that was my station until 1965. MEMORIES!! Now it is K-3's forever. 73 de Milt, N5IA -Original Message- From: Phil Hystad Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2014 8:30 PM To: d...@nk7z.net Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] 756ProIII vs K3 And, better than my HQ-170AC and Eico 720 circa '60s. On Apr 13, 2014, at 7:50 PM, David Cole d...@nk7z.net wrote: I know it must be better than the old HQ-110, and Eico 720! :) -- Thanks and 73's, For equipment, and software setups and reviews see: www.nk7z.net for MixW support see; http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info for Dopplergram information see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/dopplergram/info for MM-SSTV see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info On Sun, 2014-04-13 at 18:44 -0700, Phil Wheeler wrote: David, my K3 is very new (#8004) and it's the best rig I've owned in 60 years at this hobby (of course, those in the early years weren't even close -- first was a converted WWII Arc-V pair, heavily converted). You will love it, I predict. 73, Phil w7ox On 4/13/14, 6:33 PM, David Cole wrote: That is what I wanted to hear, I bought teh K3 because of the filters... I am glad to see someone saying something positive them! THANK YOU! __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to d...@nk7z.net __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to phys...@mac.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to n...@zia-connection.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4569 / Virus Database: 3882/7340 - Release Date: 04/13/14 - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4569 / Virus Database: 3882/7340 - Release Date: 04/13/14 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] 756ProIII vs K3
Send me a photo when finished! -- Thanks and 73's, For equipment, and software setups and reviews see: www.nk7z.net for MixW support see; http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info for Dopplergram information see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/dopplergram/info for MM-SSTV see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info On Sun, 2014-04-13 at 22:14 -0700, Phil Hystad wrote: Actually, I am in the slow process of rebuilding an Eico 720 right now. I am doing from scratch with all new parts except for the transformers, switches and inductors. I am even putting new tube sockets in the chassis and also new terminal strips. I am still in the process of collecting everything before I start. I have two Eico 720s from which I am starting. I think one of them was a factory built unit because a number of parts like tube sockets and the modulator socket on the rear as well as the VFO switch on the back were mounted with rivets rather than pan head screws and nuts. It is a slow background project though. But, I do have some 40-meter crystals all ready for when it is finished. 73, phil, K7PEH On Apr 13, 2014, at 9:26 PM, Milt -- N5IA n...@zia-connection.com wrote: Boy, you guys were in HIGH cotton with those great receivers I built my Eico 720 in 1960 but all I could afford for a RX was a National NC-60. I later added a home brew Q-multiplier to the NC-60 and that was my station until 1965. MEMORIES!! Now it is K-3's forever. 73 de Milt, N5IA -Original Message- From: Phil Hystad Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2014 8:30 PM To: d...@nk7z.net Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] 756ProIII vs K3 And, better than my HQ-170AC and Eico 720 circa '60s. On Apr 13, 2014, at 7:50 PM, David Cole d...@nk7z.net wrote: I know it must be better than the old HQ-110, and Eico 720! :) -- Thanks and 73's, For equipment, and software setups and reviews see: www.nk7z.net for MixW support see; http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info for Dopplergram information see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/dopplergram/info for MM-SSTV see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info On Sun, 2014-04-13 at 18:44 -0700, Phil Wheeler wrote: David, my K3 is very new (#8004) and it's the best rig I've owned in 60 years at this hobby (of course, those in the early years weren't even close -- first was a converted WWII Arc-V pair, heavily converted). You will love it, I predict. 73, Phil w7ox On 4/13/14, 6:33 PM, David Cole wrote: That is what I wanted to hear, I bought teh K3 because of the filters... I am glad to see someone saying something positive them! THANK YOU! __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to d...@nk7z.net __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to phys...@mac.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to n...@zia-connection.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4569 / Virus Database: 3882/7340 - Release Date: 04/13/14 - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4569 / Virus Database: 3882/7340 - Release Date: 04/13/14 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] David Cole...756ProIII vs K3
My history with amateur radio is that I typically rent gear -- what I mean is I purchase gear new, use it for one or two years, and sell it. That way, I get to experience the latest gear without busting the bank completely. That has changed since I got my K3. I'm a contester, CW mostly. Typically in multi-op stations with big antennas, amps etc. So bone-crushing to eme-level signals are the norm. I agree with many here that Sherwood has captured a lot of good data about receiver performance. If you want to be a competitive contester or DXer, your receiver performance is the #1 issue. Taking a listen doing a couple of comparisons does not tell a story. Make sure you understand the tests that are being described. I had the FT1KMP and MK5 for a while. These were the standard for a long time. However, the out-of-band, key-click and phase noise issues are pretty bad. As was talked about here, the Icom ProII/ III are really good receivers, but not with out-of-passband spurious products. Like what was mentioned by another poster, you never feel you are by yourself with a Pro III in a contest -- always all kinds of pops an squeaks from out of band signals. I think the ergonomic differences between Icom an Elecraft are really not that great. They both use single-button overloaded functionality (tap, single push, push and hold) to provide various functions. Rather than wrap things into the display (limited space), careful labeling on the panel make if (fairly clear) what is going on. The comments I get from many older friends is they don't like this mode of operation. One friend went out and bought the 5000 because he did not like the K3 human interface. Well, he is selling the 5000. The K3 receiver, in his opinion, destroys the Yaesu. The reason I'm not going to just rent my K3 -- it will be my radio for the foreseeable future -- goes far beyond the technical performance of the radio. It's the intangibles. The Elecraft team are operators, They get it. They understand who we are and what we want. They react to our input. Have you ever seen a the KIY guys ever react to what the market wants, in a timely manner? I don't think so. I am setting up Remote with some friends -- we had some really strange issues. Brandon from Elecraft got on Skype with me from his home, on a Saturday, to help me diagnose an issue. What company does that? I know I'm preaching to the choir on this reflector. However, when talking about radios, you cannot leave these details out. It's what sets Elecraft in a completely different league from the competition. 73, Gerry Gerry Hull, W1VE | Nelson, NH USA | +1-617-CW-SPARK AKA: VE1RM | VY2CDX | VO1CDX | 6Y6C | 8P9RM http://www.yccc.org http://www.yccc.org/ http://www.facebook.com/gerryhull https://plus.google.com/+GerryHull/posts http://www.twitter.com/w1ve On Sun, Apr 13, 2014 at 3:11 PM, Dr. William J. Schmidt, II b...@wjschmidt.com wrote: There are additional aspects of these comparisons that are not often discussed. The ergonomics of the two radios are vastly different... and rightly so given their history. The Icom has had many more generations of radios to improve the look, feel and operation of the radio. After owning and operating both, I find that both have adequate controls places appropriately... both radios could improve the menus (cryptic at times). The other aspect, which is sort of an elephant in the room is the repair histories and the way repairs are handled by the respective companies. I've never had a repair issue with my PRO III, although I have sent my 7800's back for service twice. It this case the radios sat in a queue at ICOM repair depot waiting for their turn to get fixed. Several weeks later the radios arrived without any warning, to sit out on my doorstep awaiting my arrival home. In contrast, I've had three issues with my K3... all three were diagnosed over the phone with tech support and parts shipped to me for install and immediate correction of the issues. While the K3 record on failures seems a bit higher than the Icom, the relative ease of troubleshooting and repair for a person like me (will full lab/ repair capabilities) is a wonder. Neither of these things should be missed when contemplating a new radio. Dr. William J. Schmidt - K9HZ / J68HZ/ 8P6HK/ ZF2HZ/ PJ4HZ/ VP5HZ Owner - Operator Big Signal Ranch Staunton, Illinois email: b...@wjschmidt.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to ge...@w1ve.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help:
Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft SSB net
Its funny you should mention a hexbeam. Because that's exactly what i was using. I just put it together, on the ground. The K4KIO one. But since its only pointing in one direction for now, i kept switching between it and my vertical. I guess the band wasn't as good as it was a week prior to yesterday. Anyways, i'll try again next Sunday. Slava B W2RMS On Apr 14, 2014, at 6:02 AM, Bill Blomgren (kk4qdz) billblomg...@yahoo.com wrote: There was horrendous interference here in North Carolina.. Sounded like a radar like signal.. (Shlubshlubshlub shlub shlub) - along with folk doing extended tuneups on the frequency long after people were trying to talk. I could occasionally get bits and pieces of Phil in the mud.. clearly something like a hexabeam will help, but will need significant budgetary enhancements to get that flying... (I have a rotor for a hexbeam just don't have the right poleyet.) KK4QDZ - Now with Extra Class Priv's, and a tiny KX3 to enjoy them! From: John Marvin jm...@themarvins.org To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Monday, April 14, 2014 1:07 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft SSB net I logged in for the first time, even though my only significant piece of equipment is the KXPA100 amp. Band conditions weren't great, so it's possible you just couldn't hear most of the people loggin in. Obviously you didn't hear the net control or the primary relay. I am surprised you didn't hear anyone logging in. My guess is that if you try again next week you'll have better luck, assuming band conditions are better. John AC0ZG On 4/13/2014 7:58 PM, Slava Baytalskiy wrote: How does this net work? I tried to get on today, at 2 PM EST (1800Z). I heard almost nothing. Some random people calling CQ and what not. No net control. Is there a particular protocol that this net follows? Was it even on today? Just curious... Slava B W2RMS On Apr 13, 2014, at 1:31 AM, Phil Shepard ph...@riousa.com wrote: The weekly SSB net meets tomorrow (4/13/14) at 1800Z on 14.3035 MHz. I’ll be the NCS from Oregon. See you there. 73, Phil, NS7P __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net/ Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to sla...@nullserv.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net/ Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to jm...@themarvins.org __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net/ Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to billblomg...@yahoo.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to sla...@nullserv.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] 756ProIII vs K3
I should send you a photo of my starting position -- still need to finish cleaning the chassis. 73, phil On Apr 14, 2014, at 5:01 AM, David Cole d...@nk7z.net wrote: Send me a photo when finished! -- Thanks and 73's, For equipment, and software setups and reviews see: www.nk7z.net for MixW support see; http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info for Dopplergram information see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/dopplergram/info for MM-SSTV see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info On Sun, 2014-04-13 at 22:14 -0700, Phil Hystad wrote: Actually, I am in the slow process of rebuilding an Eico 720 right now. I am doing from scratch with all new parts except for the transformers, switches and inductors. I am even putting new tube sockets in the chassis and also new terminal strips. I am still in the process of collecting everything before I start. I have two Eico 720s from which I am starting. I think one of them was a factory built unit because a number of parts like tube sockets and the modulator socket on the rear as well as the VFO switch on the back were mounted with rivets rather than pan head screws and nuts. It is a slow background project though. But, I do have some 40-meter crystals all ready for when it is finished. 73, phil, K7PEH On Apr 13, 2014, at 9:26 PM, Milt -- N5IA n...@zia-connection.com wrote: Boy, you guys were in HIGH cotton with those great receivers I built my Eico 720 in 1960 but all I could afford for a RX was a National NC-60. I later added a home brew Q-multiplier to the NC-60 and that was my station until 1965. MEMORIES!! Now it is K-3's forever. 73 de Milt, N5IA -Original Message- From: Phil Hystad Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2014 8:30 PM To: d...@nk7z.net Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] 756ProIII vs K3 And, better than my HQ-170AC and Eico 720 circa '60s. On Apr 13, 2014, at 7:50 PM, David Cole d...@nk7z.net wrote: I know it must be better than the old HQ-110, and Eico 720! :) -- Thanks and 73's, For equipment, and software setups and reviews see: www.nk7z.net for MixW support see; http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info for Dopplergram information see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/dopplergram/info for MM-SSTV see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info On Sun, 2014-04-13 at 18:44 -0700, Phil Wheeler wrote: David, my K3 is very new (#8004) and it's the best rig I've owned in 60 years at this hobby (of course, those in the early years weren't even close -- first was a converted WWII Arc-V pair, heavily converted). You will love it, I predict. 73, Phil w7ox On 4/13/14, 6:33 PM, David Cole wrote: That is what I wanted to hear, I bought teh K3 because of the filters... I am glad to see someone saying something positive them! THANK YOU! __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to d...@nk7z.net __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to phys...@mac.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to n...@zia-connection.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4569 / Virus Database: 3882/7340 - Release Date: 04/13/14 - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4569 / Virus Database: 3882/7340 - Release Date: 04/13/14 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
[Elecraft] KX3 caring case
Does anyone know if Rose is still making the cases for Elecraft radios? I ordered mine back in Feb. for the KX3 and haven't heard from her since. Rich WB9SFG __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] KAT500 Problem --- switching antennas
If you are sure it's related to a firmware update, can you revert to earlier firmware to confirm? Phil W7OX On 4/14/14, 12:47 AM, Gary Gregory wrote: Same FW here...I can confirm the dicky switch action also and this has been going on since the upgrade but not before. Easily repeatable here too. Gary On 14 April 2014 11:49, Fred Jensen k6...@foothill.net wrote: 1.63, 3 antennas, all OK here 73, Fred K6DGW - Northern California Contest Club - CU in the 2014 Cal QSO Party 4-5 Oct 2014 - www.cqp.org On 4/13/2014 4:15 PM, Cady, Fred wrote: Not seeing it here, Phil. KAT firmware 1.63 73, Fred KE7X __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] KX3 caring case
I've read, perhaps at the Yahoo KX3 group, that Rose has been ill. I don't know if that affects product availability or not. Phil w7ox On 4/14/14, 6:46 AM, Richard Range wrote: Does anyone know if Rose is still making the cases for Elecraft radios? I ordered mine back in Feb. for the KX3 and haven't heard from her since. Rich WB9SFG __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] KAT500 Problem --- switching antennas
From our KAT500 Utility author Dick Dievendorff: === If you have [KAT500] firmware version 1.63 and sleep when Idle on, that combination has a switch problem that has been corrected in Beta firmware version 1.67, available on our web site. ... We're probably going to put 1.67 into production early this week. 73, Eric elecraft.com On 4/14/2014 7:45 AM, Phil Wheeler wrote: If you are sure it's related to a firmware update, can you revert to earlier firmware to confirm? Phil W7OX On 4/14/14, 12:47 AM, Gary Gregory wrote: Same FW here...I can confirm the dicky switch action also and this has been going on since the upgrade but not before. Easily repeatable here too. Gary __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
[Elecraft] KX3 Temp compensation
Shortly after I got my KX3, #1716 I think, I noticed some moderate drift while doing PSK31. I bought, built and ran the Extende d VFO C ompensation procedure and things improved. Now, about a year or 18 months later I am told I have drift showing up on my signal. I re-ran the procedure and all appears to bbe good. My question regards the last statement on pg 5 of the procedure yhat says Be sure to perform the RECAL calibration at room temperature, as described in your KX3 manual.. Is this statement in referance to the 'Initial Reference Calibration' done at the start of the procedure or to the procedure in the manual which I have already done? Must it be done again after the VFO procedure? I guess it wouldn't hurt to do it again but is it necessary? PJH, N7PXY __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
[Elecraft] K3 M/M Contest stations
This email reminded me of something ..I think I may have brought it up on the Yahoo group but not on this reflector. I have a K3 line at my home station ...and of course am a real fan. I am often on the team at the KL7RA M/M station here. We have an ongoing (good natured) dispute about whether the K3 is a feasible M/M rig (not because of quality, but because people are so personal in the way they like to have it configured). I know I've had no problems at all using K3s in M/S ops. I'm wondering if there are some serious mostly/all K3 M/Ms out there ..and if so ...if I could weasel an invite sometime when I'm not committed up here. I can do pretty high rate on cw, don't eat much and am paper trained :) 73 Steve KL7SB -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Gerry Hull Sent: Monday, April 14, 2014 4:24 AM To: b...@wjschmidt.com Cc: Reflector Elecraft Subject: Re: [Elecraft] David Cole...756ProIII vs K3 ?My history with amateur radio is that I typically rent gear -- what I mean is I purchase gear new, use it for one or two years, and sell it. That way, I get to experience the latest gear without busting the bank completely. That has changed since I got my K3. I'm a contester, CW mostly. Typically in multi-op stations with big antennas, amps etc. So bone-crushing to eme-level signals are the norm. I agree with many here that Sherwood has captured a lot of good data about receiver performance. If you want to be a competitive contester or DXer, your receiver performance is the #1 issue. Taking a listen doing a couple of comparisons does not tell a story. Make sure you understand the tests that are being described. I had the FT1KMP and MK5 for a while. These were the standard for a long time. However, the out-of-band, key-click and phase noise issues are pretty bad. As was talked about here, the Icom ProII/ III are really good receivers, but not with out-of-passband spurious products. Like what was mentioned by another poster, you never feel you are by yourself with a Pro III in a contest -- always all kinds of pops an squeaks from out of band signals. I think the ergonomic differences between Icom an Elecraft are really not that great. They both use single-button overloaded functionality (tap, single push, push and hold) to provide various functions. Rather than wrap things into the display (limited space), careful labeling on the panel make if (fairly clear) what is going on. The comments I get from many older friends is they don't like this mode of operation. One friend went out and bought the 5000 because he did not like the K3 human interface. Well, he is selling the 5000. The K3 receiver, in his opinion, destroys the Yaesu. ? The reason I'm not going to just rent my K3 -- it will be my radio for the foreseeable future -- goes far beyond the technical performance of the radio. It's the intangibles. The Elecraft team are operators, They get it. They understand who we are and what we want. They react to our input. Have you ever seen a the KIY guys ever react to what the market wants, in a timely manner? I don't think so. I am setting up Remote with some friends -- we had some really strange issues. Brandon from Elecraft got on Skype with me from his home, on a Saturday, to help me diagnose an issue. What company does that? I know I'm preaching to the choir on this reflector. However, when talking about radios, you cannot leave these details out. It's what sets Elecraft in a completely different league from the competition. 73, Gerry Gerry Hull, W1VE | Nelson, NH USA | +1-617-CW-SPARK AKA: VE1RM | VY2CDX | VO1CDX | 6Y6C | 8P9RM http://www.yccc.org http://www.yccc.org/ http://www.facebook.com/gerryhull https://plus.google.com/+GerryHull/posts http://www.twitter.com/w1ve On Sun, Apr 13, 2014 at 3:11 PM, Dr. William J. Schmidt, II b...@wjschmidt.com wrote: There are additional aspects of these comparisons that are not often discussed. The ergonomics of the two radios are vastly different... and rightly so given their history. The Icom has had many more generations of radios to improve the look, feel and operation of the radio. After owning and operating both, I find that both have adequate controls places appropriately... both radios could improve the menus (cryptic at times). The other aspect, which is sort of an elephant in the room is the repair histories and the way repairs are handled by the respective companies. I've never had a repair issue with my PRO III, although I have sent my 7800's back for service twice. It this case the radios sat in a queue at ICOM repair depot waiting for their turn to get fixed. Several weeks later the radios arrived without any warning, to sit out on my doorstep awaiting my arrival home. In contrast, I've had three issues with my K3... all three were diagnosed over
[Elecraft] KX3 broadcast interference
Yesterday afternoon I noticed an odd issue with my KX3. I've had it almost two years and have never seen this before. 17 meters had broadcast interference from one end to the other on USB and CW (same station). I could hear nothing on AM. I checked the K3 and K2 on the same antenna and had no interference. On the KX3 it was only on 17M but on any antenna. Any ideas? Thaire. W2APF Sent from my iPhone __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 M/M Contest stations
Steve, I don't understand why the configurability of the K3 should pose much of a problem. Compared to other radios that have very configuration capability, one can run the K3 with its default settings just as easily. Just because the configuration capability in the K3 exists does not mean it has to be used. Also, if there are many operators who can capably reconfigure the K3 to their desires then they can figure out how to set their preferences without causing harm and grief to other operators as long as they set things back to normal after their operating session. So I think the argument about the K3's configuration capability is not as strong as some like to make of it, the defaults work fine for most operators and there are very few times an operator needs to access the menu system. In other words, I would argue, if you know what you are doing, go ahead and change things - just set it back when you are done. OTOH, if you don't know what you are doing in the menus, leave it alone and just operate. 73, Don W3FPR On 4/14/2014 12:14 PM, Stephen Bloom wrote: This email reminded me of something ..I think I may have brought it up on the Yahoo group but not on this reflector. I have a K3 line at my home station ...and of course am a real fan. I am often on the team at the KL7RA M/M station here. We have an ongoing (good natured) dispute about whether the K3 is a feasible M/M rig (not because of quality, but because people are so personal in the way they like to have it configured). I know I've had no problems at all using K3s in M/S ops. I'm wondering if there are some serious mostly/all K3 M/Ms out there ..and if so ...if I could weasel an invite sometime when I'm not committed up here. I can do pretty high rate on cw, don't eat much and am paper trained :) __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft SSB net
Slava, I did not check in yesterday as band conditions were rough, though I could hear Phil, though not easily. I have been checking in as QRP last few times and figured it would be tough going yesterday. I do use a 3-element yagi and can run 250w with an amp, but opted to try another time. Reaching Oregon from NY may be difficult at times. Usually, I hear stations in CA, TX, midwest (IL-OH) and SE, but rarely does skip favor the east coast from Alaska. I appear to have a good skip distance into OR most nets that I can run the K3/10 without amp. Good antenna helps! (Hygain TH3mk4 at 50-ft) Aside on running psk-31 on 14.040 MHz: I can do fine running 12w using the yagi. But it's hard to throttle back the amp by lowering drive: 3w = 100w; 1w = 40w at the risk of transmitting a lot of Tx noise. 73, Ed - KL7UW http://www.kl7uw.com Kits made by KL7UW Dubus Mag business: dubus...@gmail.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft SSB net
Slava, Band conditions, particularly on 20m, were beyond horrible over the weekend. You probably just couldnt hear Phil, NS7P, when he called for check-ins. He gave me a contact on 14.343 yesterday for the GA QSO Party, and I could barely hear him above the noise, with my Hexx-Beam pointed straight at him. Give the net a try next week. I'm usually on the net and act as a relay station from my QTH outside Atlanta. I wasn't on this weekend because I was running in the GA QSO Party. If you can't hear Phil, but you can hear me, or one of the other regular relay stations, reach out to one of us and we'll get you checked in. Hope this helps. 73 de, -- Ian Ian Kahn, KM4IK Roswell, GA EM74ua km4ik@gmail.com K3 #281, P3 #688, KPA500 #1468 HRD v5.x/6.0 Test Team -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Slava Baytalskiy Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2014 9:59 PM To: Phil Shepard Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft SSB net How does this net work? I tried to get on today, at 2 PM EST (1800Z). I heard almost nothing. Some random people calling CQ and what not. No net control. Is there a particular protocol that this net follows? Was it even on today? Just curious... Slava B W2RMS On Apr 13, 2014, at 1:31 AM, Phil Shepard ph...@riousa.com wrote: The weekly SSB net meets tomorrow (4/13/14) at 1800Z on 14.3035 MHz. Ill be the NCS from Oregon. See you there. 73, Phil, NS7P __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to sla...@nullserv.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to km4ik@gmail.com --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 M/M Contest stations
Don, No way could someone that was a real serious contester use the K3 with the stock settings and score anywhere near the points that could be scored without changing the settings. A stock K3 is NOT a contest radio. And I think that's where a lot of the cons about the K3 happen. There are several settings in the K3 that must be changed to make the radio a contest radio. Keith, XE3/K5ENS -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-M-M-Contest-stations-tp7587186p7587191.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] KX3 broadcast interference
Hi Thaire, Propagation could be boosting this station to the point that it requires setting the KX3's RX SHFT menu entry to 8.0 on this band. That would fix it 99% of the time. If you have a particularly bad case you could also set the PREAMP menu entry to 10 dB rather than 20 dB on 17 m. 73, Wayne N6KR On Apr 14, 2014, at 10:11 AM, Thaire Bryant w2...@myfairpoint.net wrote: Yesterday afternoon I noticed an odd issue with my KX3. I've had it almost two years and have never seen this before. 17 meters had broadcast interference from one end to the other on USB and CW (same station). I could hear nothing on AM. I checked the K3 and K2 on the same antenna and had no interference. On the KX3 it was only on 17M but on any antenna. Any ideas? Thaire. W2APF Sent from my iPhone __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to n...@elecraft.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Fake FTDI chips
Hello Don, With the serial cable, I can use a real serial port or a good USB to serial adapter to program my handheld. I have to disagree with you. Yes, a RS-232 interface is the best choice, if you can use a RS-232 interface at your computer. If not, also you will use an adapter. But what is a RS-232 to USB adapter? Right, a chip from Prolific or FTDI ( hopefully). Nobody is protected from a fake chip. -- 73/72 de Ingo, DK3RED - Don't forget: the fun is the power! www.qrp4fun.de - dk3...@qrp4fun.de __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 M/M Contest stations
Keith, Please elaborate for us that are uninformed. Thank you. de Milt, N5IA -Original Message- From: XE3/K5ENS Sent: Monday, April 14, 2014 10:54 AM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 M/M Contest stations Don, No way could someone that was a real serious contester use the K3 with the stock settings and score anywhere near the points that could be scored without changing the settings. A stock K3 is NOT a contest radio. And I think that's where a lot of the cons about the K3 happen. There are several settings in the K3 that must be changed to make the radio a contest radio. Keith, XE3/K5ENS - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4569 / Virus Database: 3882/7343 - Release Date: 04/14/14 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 M/M Contest stations
Keith, That may be true, but if it is, each operator will know how to set it up to his preferences. I say again, if he does not know how to set it up, he should leave it alone. In the midst of a contest is not the time to be fiddling with things to find out what each operator wants. A bit of education and practice with settings beforehand *can* make such operator changeovers smooth. Perhaps your group can agree on some compromise settings that will work suitably for all. After all, DXPeditions using multiple operators seem to do something like that with success. Setting up for a contest should be no more difficult. 73, Don W3FPR On 4/14/2014 1:54 PM, XE3/K5ENS wrote: Don, No way could someone that was a real serious contester use the K3 with the stock settings and score anywhere near the points that could be scored without changing the settings. A stock K3 is NOT a contest radio. And I think that's where a lot of the cons about the K3 happen. There are several settings in the K3 that must be changed to make the radio a contest radio. Keith, XE3/K5ENS __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 M/M Contest stations
Hi Keith: I'd have to agree with Don.. and don't forget, some people just like to participate in a contest.. for the fun of it, and perhaps working a new one ... as opposed to trying to win the contest. Those people would probably do -just fine- with a stock K3 setup. I'm sure I would. 73 de Ray K2ULR KX3 #211 On Apr 14, 2014, at 2:24 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: Keith, That may be true, but if it is, each operator will know how to set it up to his preferences. I say again, if he does not know how to set it up, he should leave it alone. In the midst of a contest is not the time to be fiddling with things to find out what each operator wants. A bit of education and practice with settings beforehand *can* make such operator changeovers smooth. Perhaps your group can agree on some compromise settings that will work suitably for all. After all, DXPeditions using multiple operators seem to do something like that with success. Setting up for a contest should be no more difficult. 73, Don W3FPR On 4/14/2014 1:54 PM, XE3/K5ENS wrote: Don, No way could someone that was a real serious contester use the K3 with the stock settings and score anywhere near the points that could be scored without changing the settings. A stock K3 is NOT a contest radio. And I think that's where a lot of the cons about the K3 happen. There are several settings in the K3 that must be changed to make the radio a contest radio. Keith, XE3/K5ENS __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to raysil...@verizon.net __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Fake FTDI chips
But, if Elecraft had a USB port on the back of the K3, then _Elecraft_ would be the only one that had to worry about fake chips. The end user would only have to supply a USB cable 73, Ross N4RP On 4/14/2014 2:19 PM, Ingo Meyer, DK3RED wrote: Hello Don, With the serial cable, I can use a real serial port or a good USB to serial adapter to program my handheld. I have to disagree with you. Yes, a RS-232 interface is the best choice, if you can use a RS-232 interface at your computer. If not, also you will use an adapter. But what is a RS-232 to USB adapter? Right, a chip from Prolific or FTDI ( hopefully). Nobody is protected from a fake chip. -- FCC Section 97.313(a) At all times, an amateur station must use the minimum transmitter power necessary to carry out the desired communications. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 M/M Contest stations
Keith may be referring to crystal filters. A stock (basic) K3 comes with one 2.7- or 2.8-kHz crystal filter. The operator may need additional filters to optimize performance. Other than that, there is no imperative set of adjustments one has to make to fuse the K3 for serious contesting. An SSB operator might want to experiment with CMP (compression) and EQ settings (RX EQ/TX EQ). A CW op might want to use somewhat different AGC settings, according to taste. But there's nothing unusual about the K3 that would make it any harder to set up than other full-featured transceivers that provide a range of setup options. Since the K3's receiver has a such high dynamic range, it is generally forgiving of less-than-optimum control adjustments. 73, Wayne N6KR On Apr 14, 2014, at 11:28 AM, Milt -- N5IA n...@zia-connection.com wrote: Keith, Please elaborate for us that are uninformed. Thank you. de Milt, N5IA -Original Message- From: XE3/K5ENS Sent: Monday, April 14, 2014 10:54 AM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 M/M Contest stations Don, No way could someone that was a real serious contester use the K3 with the stock settings and score anywhere near the points that could be scored without changing the settings. A stock K3 is NOT a contest radio. And I think that's where a lot of the cons about the K3 happen. There are several settings in the K3 that must be changed to make the radio a contest radio. Keith, XE3/K5ENS __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 M/M Contest stations
Hi Guys We at D4C, get seriously the Contest, trying to win, last CQWW SSB and CW we had 11 K3, with several different configuration, 6 were Main Radio and 5 ( 10 to 80 ) were support Radio, with dual RX capability multidirectional RX antennas and inBand Antenna too, all fitted into the several BNC input as RX, or SUB RX input. The comments of the over 25 ops, ( 14 of them will attend to the next WRTC ) was, amazing, no interference, antennas are located not far form 200 m from the shack, no noise interference, integration of good filter, both in TX and RX with the great capabilities of the K3’s and flexible multidirectional antennas, has created a great efficient MM station. The configuration of all the K3 were identical, so operators can move between bands, without worry about, equalizer, filters, or mic control, no one had touched these configuration during the contest, because during the contest ur are busy to run … So as mentioned, DXped and or MM setup, are easy to do with K3, obviously u still need to take care of the environment, including antennas, filters and all other stuff that can help to have the right success. 73 de Fabio I4UFH / D4C SSB Team Leader Il giorno 14/apr/2014, alle ore 20:30, Ray Sills raysil...@verizon.net ha scritto: Hi Keith: I'd have to agree with Don.. and don't forget, some people just like to participate in a contest.. for the fun of it, and perhaps working a new one ... as opposed to trying to win the contest. Those people would probably do -just fine- with a stock K3 setup. I'm sure I would. 73 de Ray K2ULR KX3 #211 On Apr 14, 2014, at 2:24 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: Keith, That may be true, but if it is, each operator will know how to set it up to his preferences. I say again, if he does not know how to set it up, he should leave it alone. In the midst of a contest is not the time to be fiddling with things to find out what each operator wants. A bit of education and practice with settings beforehand *can* make such operator changeovers smooth. Perhaps your group can agree on some compromise settings that will work suitably for all. After all, DXPeditions using multiple operators seem to do something like that with success. Setting up for a contest should be no more difficult. 73, Don W3FPR On 4/14/2014 1:54 PM, XE3/K5ENS wrote: Don, No way could someone that was a real serious contester use the K3 with the stock settings and score anywhere near the points that could be scored without changing the settings. A stock K3 is NOT a contest radio. And I think that's where a lot of the cons about the K3 happen. There are several settings in the K3 that must be changed to make the radio a contest radio. Keith, XE3/K5ENS __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to raysil...@verizon.net __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to i4...@libero.it __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft SSB net
Conditions were pretty rough yesterday. We only had about 30 participants, compared to more like 40 typically. There were very few check-ins from the east coast. Give the net another try. We usually have much better signals, and one of the relays should get you, even if I can’t. Net report to follow soon. 73, Phil, NS7P On Apr 14, 2014, at 10:33 AM, Ian Kahn - Ham km4ik@gmail.com wrote: Slava, Band conditions, particularly on 20m, were beyond horrible over the weekend. You probably just couldn’t hear Phil, NS7P, when he called for check-ins. He gave me a contact on 14.343 yesterday for the GA QSO Party, and I could barely hear him above the noise, with my Hexx-Beam pointed straight at him. Give the net a try next week. I'm usually on the net and act as a relay station from my QTH outside Atlanta. I wasn't on this weekend because I was running in the GA QSO Party. If you can't hear Phil, but you can hear me, or one of the other regular relay stations, reach out to one of us and we'll get you checked in. Hope this helps. 73 de, -- Ian Ian Kahn, KM4IK Roswell, GA EM74ua km4ik@gmail.com K3 #281, P3 #688, KPA500 #1468 HRD v5.x/6.0 Test Team -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Slava Baytalskiy Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2014 9:59 PM To: Phil Shepard Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft SSB net How does this net work? I tried to get on today, at 2 PM EST (1800Z). I heard almost nothing. Some random people calling CQ and what not. No net control. Is there a particular protocol that this net follows? Was it even on today? Just curious... Slava B W2RMS On Apr 13, 2014, at 1:31 AM, Phil Shepard ph...@riousa.com wrote: The weekly SSB net meets tomorrow (4/13/14) at 1800Z on 14.3035 MHz. I’ll be the NCS from Oregon. See you there. 73, Phil, NS7P __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to sla...@nullserv.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to km4ik@gmail.com --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Fake FTDI chips
But what is a RS-232 to USB adapter? Right, a chip from Prolific or FTDI ( hopefully). Nobody is protected from a fake chip. USB to RS-232 adapters are made by many vendors and may use chip sets by suppliers other than Prolific or FTDI. For example, Digi International uses their own Intel based devices. The key is to purchase the USB to RS-232 adapter from a *reputable* vendor who purchases his chips from a *reputable* supplier and not deal with some low-cost no-name cable maker that is trying to save pennies by buying gray market chips. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 4/14/2014 2:19 PM, Ingo Meyer, DK3RED wrote: Hello Don, With the serial cable, I can use a real serial port or a good USB to serial adapter to program my handheld. I have to disagree with you. Yes, a RS-232 interface is the best choice, if you can use a RS-232 interface at your computer. If not, also you will use an adapter. But what is a RS-232 to USB adapter? Right, a chip from Prolific or FTDI ( hopefully). Nobody is protected from a fake chip. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Fake FTDI chips
Then _Elecraft_ would need to worry about continuously updated and *signed* drivers for Windows (including Windows 95, 98, 2000 and XP compatible drivers 15 year after the operating system is no longer supported), OS-9, OS-X, and 57 varieties of LINUX. Far better to stick with RS-232 and leave the _USER_ be responsible for his on computer interfacing. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 4/14/2014 2:36 PM, Ross Primrose wrote: But, if Elecraft had a USB port on the back of the K3, then _Elecraft_ would be the only one that had to worry about fake chips. The end user would only have to supply a USB cable 73, Ross N4RP On 4/14/2014 2:19 PM, Ingo Meyer, DK3RED wrote: Hello Don, With the serial cable, I can use a real serial port or a good USB to serial adapter to program my handheld. I have to disagree with you. Yes, a RS-232 interface is the best choice, if you can use a RS-232 interface at your computer. If not, also you will use an adapter. But what is a RS-232 to USB adapter? Right, a chip from Prolific or FTDI ( hopefully). Nobody is protected from a fake chip. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 M/M Contest stations
Don, I never said anything about whether or not changes should be made. I just stated that without making some changes to a stock K3 the station would be at a disadvantage to stations that have configured the K3 to take advantage of the settings under contest conditions. In most M/M stations using K3's the operators know how to use and setup the K3. Doing this on the fly is not much of a problem but I know of some M/M that lock the K3 so most settings can't be changed by the operators. Some of the contesters without knowing the settings come away not liking the K3 for contest use. That depends on the operators operating the M/M. My suggestion is press those buttons and turn those knobs. Get to know what does what and set your K3 up that is the best for your operating style. But remember contests require a different setup than just chatting. And most of the time several changes need to be made during the contest. Keith, XE3/K5ENS -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-M-M-Contest-stations-tp7587186p7587202.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Fake FTDI chips
Make it an Ethernet interface and then all kinds of nifty feature are available. PEH's iPad On Apr 14, 2014, at 12:00 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV li...@subich.com wrote: Then _Elecraft_ would need to worry about continuously updated and *signed* drivers for Windows (including Windows 95, 98, 2000 and XP compatible drivers 15 year after the operating system is no longer supported), OS-9, OS-X, and 57 varieties of LINUX. Far better to stick with RS-232 and leave the _USER_ be responsible for his on computer interfacing. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 4/14/2014 2:36 PM, Ross Primrose wrote: But, if Elecraft had a USB port on the back of the K3, then _Elecraft_ would be the only one that had to worry about fake chips. The end user would only have to supply a USB cable 73, Ross N4RP On 4/14/2014 2:19 PM, Ingo Meyer, DK3RED wrote: Hello Don, With the serial cable, I can use a real serial port or a good USB to serial adapter to program my handheld. I have to disagree with you. Yes, a RS-232 interface is the best choice, if you can use a RS-232 interface at your computer. If not, also you will use an adapter. But what is a RS-232 to USB adapter? Right, a chip from Prolific or FTDI ( hopefully). Nobody is protected from a fake chip. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to phys...@mac.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 M/M Contest stations
Ooooh D4C ...nice ...one of the best contest teams in the world! ...now THERE is a place I'd love to operate from sometime. 73 Steve KL7SB -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of I4UFH Sent: Monday, April 14, 2014 10:41 AM To: Ray Sills Cc: Elecraft Mailing List Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 M/M Contest stations Hi Guys We at D4C, get seriously the Contest, trying to win, last CQWW SSB and CW we had 11 K3, with several different configuration, 6 were Main Radio and 5 ( 10 to 80 ) were support Radio, with dual RX capability multidirectional RX antennas and inBand Antenna too, all fitted into the several BNC input as RX, or SUB RX input. The comments of the over 25 ops, ( 14 of them will attend to the next WRTC ) was, amazing, no interference, antennas are located not far form 200 m from the shack, no noise interference, integration of good filter, both in TX and RX with the great capabilities of the K3's and flexible multidirectional antennas, has created a great efficient MM station. The configuration of all the K3 were identical, so operators can move between bands, without worry about, equalizer, filters, or mic control, no one had touched these configuration during the contest, because during the contest ur are busy to run . So as mentioned, DXped and or MM setup, are easy to do with K3, obviously u still need to take care of the environment, including antennas, filters and all other stuff that can help to have the right success. 73 de Fabio I4UFH / D4C SSB Team Leader Il giorno 14/apr/2014, alle ore 20:30, Ray Sills raysil...@verizon.net ha scritto: Hi Keith: I'd have to agree with Don.. and don't forget, some people just like to participate in a contest.. for the fun of it, and perhaps working a new one ... as opposed to trying to win the contest. Those people would probably do -just fine- with a stock K3 setup. I'm sure I would. 73 de Ray K2ULR KX3 #211 On Apr 14, 2014, at 2:24 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: Keith, That may be true, but if it is, each operator will know how to set it up to his preferences. I say again, if he does not know how to set it up, he should leave it alone. In the midst of a contest is not the time to be fiddling with things to find out what each operator wants. A bit of education and practice with settings beforehand *can* make such operator changeovers smooth. Perhaps your group can agree on some compromise settings that will work suitably for all. After all, DXPeditions using multiple operators seem to do something like that with success. Setting up for a contest should be no more difficult. 73, Don W3FPR On 4/14/2014 1:54 PM, XE3/K5ENS wrote: Don, No way could someone that was a real serious contester use the K3 with the stock settings and score anywhere near the points that could be scored without changing the settings. A stock K3 is NOT a contest radio. And I think that's where a lot of the cons about the K3 happen. There are several settings in the K3 that must be changed to make the radio a contest radio. Keith, XE3/K5ENS __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to raysil...@verizon.net __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to i4...@libero.it __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to sbl...@acsalaska.net __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 M/M Contest stations
I use my K3 to contest but could care less about the score I just look for a new band country and every once in a great while a new one. Buy I agree with you a serious DX'er would not want a contest radio either most are Deaf and only work the real 599 stations anyway. I did use 2 K3's in an SO2R setup using MicroHAM interface for a while and did OK. But to be honest I'm a Casual DX'er and only care to work phone both QRP and QRO. Just have become found of the Elecraft gear, to be honest to get the most from most any high end radio you need to do a setup on it. The K3 can be customized any way you want it that is what makes it a great radio. If you need an out of the box no adjustments necessary you bought the wrong radio. 73 Good DX, Fred N0AZZ -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Milt -- N5IA Sent: Monday, April 14, 2014 1:29 PM To: XE3/K5ENS; elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 M/M Contest stations Keith, Please elaborate for us that are uninformed. Thank you. de Milt, N5IA -Original Message- From: XE3/K5ENS Sent: Monday, April 14, 2014 10:54 AM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 M/M Contest stations Don, No way could someone that was a real serious contester use the K3 with the stock settings and score anywhere near the points that could be scored without changing the settings. A stock K3 is NOT a contest radio. And I think that's where a lot of the cons about the K3 happen. There are several settings in the K3 that must be changed to make the radio a contest radio. Keith, XE3/K5ENS - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4569 / Virus Database: 3882/7343 - Release Date: 04/14/14 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to m...@totalhighspeed.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Fake FTDI chips
On 4/14/2014 11:19 AM, Ingo Meyer, DK3RED wrote: With the serial cable, I can use a real serial port or a good USB to serial adapter to program my handheld. I have to disagree with you. Yes, a RS-232 interface is the best choice, if you can use a RS-232 interface at your computer. If not, also you will use an adapter. But what is a RS-232 to USB adapter? Right, a chip from Prolific or FTDI ( hopefully). Nobody is protected from a fake chip. Recently I had to put an adapter labelled as an FTDI product in service. Win 7 did not recognize it even with the proper Win 7 driver. I contacted FTDI Tech Support and found out that the device was in fact a genuine FTDI product but a batch had gone out with a firmware defect that they later corrected in the driver. All it required was to check the appropriate box on the driver properties panel in Win 7. Works like a charm now. Interesting part was that the Tech Support person turned out to be someone who knew me from our local radio club! Always nice to get competent help - just like Elecraft gives. -- -- 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane Elecraft K2/100 s/n 5402 From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Fake FTDI chips
Joe, I think you read Ross's post differently than intended. I don't think Ross was suggesting that Elecraft do their own USB to RS232 converter chip or provide a native USB interface with custom Elecraft drivers (although there would potentially be other advantages to a true USB interface, the driver challenge you mention would probably outweigh those advantages). He was suggesting that Elecraft use a standard (e.g. FTDI) converter chip inside the box (I'm not sure a retrofit would make sense, but this would be a change going forward). From the perspective of the computer, it would not see anything different from an external converter, and you would use the same drivers. The supposed advantage is that by buying the converter chips directly Elecraft would be in a better position to ensure that the chips weren't counterfeit. However, since Elecraft is supplying converters to their customers and is buying them in bulk, it would seem to me that they may be able to get most of the way there by working with a reliable supplier and doing the necessary checking to make sure that the converters they are buying don't contain counterfeit chips. John AC0ZG On 4/14/2014 1:00 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: Then _Elecraft_ would need to worry about continuously updated and *signed* drivers for Windows (including Windows 95, 98, 2000 and XP compatible drivers 15 year after the operating system is no longer supported), OS-9, OS-X, and 57 varieties of LINUX. Far better to stick with RS-232 and leave the _USER_ be responsible for his on computer interfacing. 73, ... Joe, W4TV __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 M/M Contest stations
Wayne, Nice statement if you're selling radios but if you're trying to get as many points as you can you need to make some setting adjustments. Keith, XE3/K5ENS -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-M-M-Contest-stations-tp7587186p7587209.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Fake FTDI chips
Sorry, but I've gotta call b*^@%^t on that one. Elecraft is already SELLING a USB dongle that has a USB to serial chip in it. The same drivers that work just fine with that chip in a dongle will work fine if that chip is in a K3, neither the chip or the driver care where the chip is mounted. As far as Win 95/98/200/XP and OS9, you've got to be kidding... 73, Ross N4RP On 4/14/2014 3:00 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: Then _Elecraft_ would need to worry about continuously updated and *signed* drivers for Windows (including Windows 95, 98, 2000 and XP compatible drivers 15 year after the operating system is no longer supported), OS-9, OS-X, and 57 varieties of LINUX. Far better to stick with RS-232 and leave the _USER_ be responsible for his on computer interfacing. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 4/14/2014 2:36 PM, Ross Primrose wrote: But, if Elecraft had a USB port on the back of the K3, then _Elecraft_ would be the only one that had to worry about fake chips. The end user would only have to supply a USB cable 73, Ross N4RP On 4/14/2014 2:19 PM, Ingo Meyer, DK3RED wrote: Hello Don, With the serial cable, I can use a real serial port or a good USB to serial adapter to program my handheld. I have to disagree with you. Yes, a RS-232 interface is the best choice, if you can use a RS-232 interface at your computer. If not, also you will use an adapter. But what is a RS-232 to USB adapter? Right, a chip from Prolific or FTDI ( hopefully). Nobody is protected from a fake chip. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to n...@n4rp.com -- FCC Section 97.313(a) “At all times, an amateur station must use the minimum transmitter power necessary to carry out the desired communications.” __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 M/M Contest stations
All I can say to this what? I apparently am uninformed as well. W0MU On 4/14/2014 12:28 PM, Milt -- N5IA wrote: Keith, Please elaborate for us that are uninformed. Thank you. de Milt, N5IA -Original Message- From: XE3/K5ENS Sent: Monday, April 14, 2014 10:54 AM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 M/M Contest stations Don, No way could someone that was a real serious contester use the K3 with the stock settings and score anywhere near the points that could be scored without changing the settings. A stock K3 is NOT a contest radio. And I think that's where a lot of the cons about the K3 happen. There are several settings in the K3 that must be changed to make the radio a contest radio. Keith, XE3/K5ENS - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4569 / Virus Database: 3882/7343 - Release Date: 04/14/14 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to w...@w0mu.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Fake FTDI chips
The only way I know to use a genuine RS-232 port is to use a desk top computer with a plug in board. I would also like to use a lap-top computer and as far as I know RS-232 ports are not available. If anyone knows differently, please let us in on the info. Willis 'Cookie' Cooke, TDXS DX Chairman K5EWJ Trustee N5BPS, USS Cavalla, USS Stewart From: Ross Primrose n...@n4rp.com To: Elecraft elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Monday, April 14, 2014 1:36 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Fake FTDI chips But, if Elecraft had a USB port on the back of the K3, then _Elecraft_ would be the only one that had to worry about fake chips. The end user would only have to supply a USB cable 73, Ross N4RP On 4/14/2014 2:19 PM, Ingo Meyer, DK3RED wrote: Hello Don, With the serial cable, I can use a real serial port or a good USB to serial adapter to program my handheld. I have to disagree with you. Yes, a RS-232 interface is the best choice, if you can use a RS-232 interface at your computer. If not, also you will use an adapter. But what is a RS-232 to USB adapter? Right, a chip from Prolific or FTDI ( hopefully). Nobody is protected from a fake chip. -- FCC Section 97.313(a) At all times, an amateur station must use the minimum transmitter power necessary to carry out the desired communications. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to wrco...@yahoo.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 M/M Contest stations
My non stock K3 has a ton of filters. My 2nd K3 has the stock 2.7 and added 400hz filter and I will be just as competitive with it as the full blown K3. The best tool an operator has is between his ears. W0MU On 4/14/2014 12:40 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: Keith may be referring to crystal filters. A stock (basic) K3 comes with one 2.7- or 2.8-kHz crystal filter. The operator may need additional filters to optimize performance. Other than that, there is no imperative set of adjustments one has to make to fuse the K3 for serious contesting. An SSB operator might want to experiment with CMP (compression) and EQ settings (RX EQ/TX EQ). A CW op might want to use somewhat different AGC settings, according to taste. But there's nothing unusual about the K3 that would make it any harder to set up than other full-featured transceivers that provide a range of setup options. Since the K3's receiver has a such high dynamic range, it is generally forgiving of less-than-optimum control adjustments. 73, Wayne N6KR On Apr 14, 2014, at 11:28 AM, Milt -- N5IA n...@zia-connection.com wrote: Keith, Please elaborate for us that are uninformed. Thank you. de Milt, N5IA -Original Message- From: XE3/K5ENS Sent: Monday, April 14, 2014 10:54 AM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 M/M Contest stations Don, No way could someone that was a real serious contester use the K3 with the stock settings and score anywhere near the points that could be scored without changing the settings. A stock K3 is NOT a contest radio. And I think that's where a lot of the cons about the K3 happen. There are several settings in the K3 that must be changed to make the radio a contest radio. Keith, XE3/K5ENS __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to w...@w0mu.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 M/M Contest stations
Like... On 4/14/2014 1:34 PM, XE3/K5ENS wrote: Wayne, Nice statement if you're selling radios but if you're trying to get as many points as you can you need to make some setting adjustments. Keith, XE3/K5ENS -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-M-M-Contest-stations-tp7587186p7587209.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to w...@w0mu.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
[Elecraft] K3 Contest Configuration Setup
In a recent thread Keith XE3/K5ENS has referenced his 'not stock' K3 configuration for contesting. Also Fabio I4UFH D4C's SSB Team leader referred to their 'contest' configuration setups. My request for this thread is that these folks mentioned above and any others who wish to contribute, please share their *Contesting* setup with us, for both SSB and CW. It would sure help the 'rest of us' to understand just what is being discussed. Please be specific folks. Note: I'm not talking antennas, locations or anything other than what can be set up using the K3's menus or utility pgm. Things like: AGC-DCY/HLD/PLS/SLP/THR/-F/-S/ AGC-F/S/OFF Filter widths vs actual filter widths as setup with the K3 Utility pgm. TIA -- GB 73 K5OAI Sam Morgan __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Fake FTDI chips
Last I checked, there were a few, very expensive, Windows laptops that were available with real serial ports. Other than that, you're stuck with a desktop or a USB adapter. 73, Ross N4RP On 4/14/2014 3:40 PM, WILLIS COOKE wrote: The only way I know to use a genuine RS-232 port is to use a desk top computer with a plug in board. I would also like to use a lap-top computer and as far as I know RS-232 ports are not available. If anyone knows differently, please let us in on the info. Willis 'Cookie' Cooke, TDXS DX Chairman K5EWJ Trustee N5BPS, USS Cavalla, USS Stewart *From:* Ross Primrose n...@n4rp.com *To:* Elecraft elecraft@mailman.qth.net *Sent:* Monday, April 14, 2014 1:36 PM *Subject:* Re: [Elecraft] Fake FTDI chips But, if Elecraft had a USB port on the back of the K3, then _Elecraft_ would be the only one that had to worry about fake chips. The end user would only have to supply a USB cable 73, Ross N4RP On 4/14/2014 2:19 PM, Ingo Meyer, DK3RED wrote: Hello Don, With the serial cable, I can use a real serial port or a good USB to serial adapter to program my handheld. I have to disagree with you. Yes, a RS-232 interface is the best choice, if you can use a RS-232 interface at your computer. If not, also you will use an adapter. But what is a RS-232 to USB adapter? Right, a chip from Prolific or FTDI ( hopefully). Nobody is protected from a fake chip. -- FCC Section 97.313(a) At all times, an amateur station must use the minimum transmitter power necessary to carry out the desired communications. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net http://www.qsl.net/ Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to wrco...@yahoo.com mailto:wrco...@yahoo.com -- FCC Section 97.313(a) At all times, an amateur station must use the minimum transmitter power necessary to carry out the desired communications. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 M/M Contest stations
On 4/14/2014 11:58 AM, XE3/K5ENS wrote: I never said anything about whether or not changes should be made. I just stated that without making some changes to a stock K3 the station would be at a disadvantage to stations that have configured the K3 to take advantage of the settings under contest conditions. In most M/M stations using K3's the operators know how to use and setup the K3. Where do you do your contesting, Keith? And what do you mean by stock? Do you mean without additional roofing filters, as someone suggested? With only one RX? With all the EQ set flat? With audio input only from the microphone? I mostly operate M/M at CQP and FD, but I also host M/2 at my own station, using K3s. It's been my experience that if the person who sets up the radio(s) understands the radio and the needs of a contesting environment, the only changes likely to be required would be for things like mic gain, compression, and VOX (if that's what you use). And the only one of those that isn't on the front panel is VOX. I count five K3s in the shack photo for the W7RN superstation. google to see a station description. KH6LC's webpage says that operators bring their own radios, which mostly seem to be K3s. When I last operated at N6RO about six years ago, it was N6BV's Orion and five MPs, some of which were brought by the operators. I suspect some or all of the MPs are now K3s, and at least one of those is remoted. I operate FD and CQP (California QSO Party) with serious contesters, and our setups are all K3s. I noted a comment that the rigs at D4C are all K3s, and all are set up the same. IMO, that's the best way to do it. In my experience, that's one of very best contesting setups anywhere -- from my QTH near San Francisco, I can nearly always work them with very little effort on every band (including 160M), and have made multiple QSOs QRP (not on 160). :) 73, Jim K9YC __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Fake FTDI chips
No, John, I read Ross's post correctly. Even if Elecraft were to use a known USB chip, they would still be stuck providing drivers for obsolete operating systems long after the OS and chipset vendors stopped supporting the chip set and OS simply because amateurs insist that every product be supported for eternity and a day. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 4/14/2014 3:30 PM, John Marvin wrote: Joe, I think you read Ross's post differently than intended. I don't think Ross was suggesting that Elecraft do their own USB to RS232 converter chip or provide a native USB interface with custom Elecraft drivers (although there would potentially be other advantages to a true USB interface, the driver challenge you mention would probably outweigh those advantages). He was suggesting that Elecraft use a standard (e.g. FTDI) converter chip inside the box (I'm not sure a retrofit would make sense, but this would be a change going forward). From the perspective of the computer, it would not see anything different from an external converter, and you would use the same drivers. The supposed advantage is that by buying the converter chips directly Elecraft would be in a better position to ensure that the chips weren't counterfeit. However, since Elecraft is supplying converters to their customers and is buying them in bulk, it would seem to me that they may be able to get most of the way there by working with a reliable supplier and doing the necessary checking to make sure that the converters they are buying don't contain counterfeit chips. John AC0ZG On 4/14/2014 1:00 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: Then _Elecraft_ would need to worry about continuously updated and *signed* drivers for Windows (including Windows 95, 98, 2000 and XP compatible drivers 15 year after the operating system is no longer supported), OS-9, OS-X, and 57 varieties of LINUX. Far better to stick with RS-232 and leave the _USER_ be responsible for his on computer interfacing. 73, ... Joe, W4TV __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to li...@subich.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 M/M Contest stations
AND my money is that none of these radios are stock out of the box settings! Settings are settings and some have been changed. That's all I said. Keith, XE3/K5ENS -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-M-M-Contest-stations-tp7587186p7587219.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Fake FTDI chips
How will you power Ethernet interface? USB has powering built in. Ethernet doesn't. 73 Fred, AE6QL -Original Message- From: Phil Hystad phys...@mac.com Sent: Apr 14, 2014 12:10 PM To: Joe Subich, W4TV li...@subich.com Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Fake FTDI chips Make it an Ethernet interface and then all kinds of nifty feature are available. PEH's iPad On Apr 14, 2014, at 12:00 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV li...@subich.com wrote: Then _Elecraft_ would need to worry about continuously updated and *signed* drivers for Windows (including Windows 95, 98, 2000 and XP compatible drivers 15 year after the operating system is no longer supported), OS-9, OS-X, and 57 varieties of LINUX. Far better to stick with RS-232 and leave the _USER_ be responsible for his on computer interfacing. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 4/14/2014 2:36 PM, Ross Primrose wrote: But, if Elecraft had a USB port on the back of the K3, then _Elecraft_ would be the only one that had to worry about fake chips. The end user would only have to supply a USB cable 73, Ross N4RP On 4/14/2014 2:19 PM, Ingo Meyer, DK3RED wrote: Hello Don, With the serial cable, I can use a real serial port or a good USB to serial adapter to program my handheld. I have to disagree with you. Yes, a RS-232 interface is the best choice, if you can use a RS-232 interface at your computer. If not, also you will use an adapter. But what is a RS-232 to USB adapter? Right, a chip from Prolific or FTDI ( hopefully). Nobody is protected from a fake chip. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to phys...@mac.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to fptowns...@earthlink.net __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Contest Configuration Setup
On 4/14/2014 12:46 PM, Sam Morgan wrote: please share their *Contesting* setup with us, for both SSB and CW. K6LL has shared his ALC settings, and I defer to him. I've shared my audio settings many time -- for TXEQ, the three lowest bands maximum cut, 6 dB cut for the fourth band, then tweak on the basis of signal reports. For most mics, leave the rest of the bands flat. If a mic sounds spitty (too much high end), back off the highest band. Mic gain and compression by the manual, paying no attention to the numerical values of control readouts, but carefully watching compression on the mater, and setting it for 10 dB on audio peaks. Computer playback level coming out of the computer should be set to that voice peaks are about 6 dB below clip level at the sound card (clip is typically 1 volt peak, so set it for 0.5 volt peak). Then set line input gain so that you get the same indicated compression on computer playback as you do with the live mic. Obviously, be careful when recording your messages so that they are recorded cleanly, without distortion. If possible, use the same mic for these voice messages as with the radio. This is quite simple if you're using a mic like the Yamaha CM500. The K3 should ALWAYS be set up with no ALC between it and a power amp, and the K3 power output should be set to the level that results in the desired power output from the amp. My KPA500 gets to full power with 29W drive; I need between 40 and 50w to drive my Ten Tec Titans to full power. I set up my P3s for maximum averaging, with a tall waterfall display that gives me a full minute at a time. For contesting, I set the scale for 42 dB; for general operation, I use 24 dB. I set the Fixed Tune mode, and assign the Fixed Tune toggle to one of the buttons. I assign the Peak/Average toggle to another button. The remaining six are set for sweep widths of 2 kHz, 10 kHz, 20 kHz, 50 kHz, 100 kHz, and 200 kHz. Now, all I need to change on the P3 during most contests is the sensitivity, to keep band noise near the bottom of the display so that weak signals are more clearly displayed. Before each contest that I'm taking seriously, I run through all bands on both radios setting drive levels, leaving frequencies on each band near where I plan to operate, setting the P3 display limits to match the normal operating frequency range of that particular contest. And I tune up on each band and each antenna, note the settings, look for any antennas or settings that have changed since the last time around, and look for the cause of those differences as a potential failure. Hope this helps. 73, Jim K9YC __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Fake FTDI chips
Whatever is the problem? I bought the adapter from Elecraft - thus assuring me that it will work as it is supposed to. It works with whatever computer I have plugged in at the time - running an old version of HRD and the current stuff from Elecraft. So far as supporting old OS? What for? As in: You are running a very fine rig (K3), so I would assume a good (read as modern up-to-date) computer is also used in the shack - hence no legacy issues. Perhaps I am missing the point of this thread? Bill K-Line __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 M/M Contest stations
Not quite what you said. Of course everyone should be tweaking their radios. When you get in a car that you have not driven you adjust the mirror, seat, etc. Your comments seemed a bit derogatory toward the K3. Can you pull an Icom, Kenwood, Yaesu, Flex out of the box and be contest ready? W0MU On 4/14/2014 2:24 PM, XE3/K5ENS wrote: AND my money is that none of these radios are stock out of the box settings! Settings are settings and some have been changed. That's all I said. Keith, XE3/K5ENS __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Fake FTDI chips
Folks - Let's end this the Serial vs USB vs Ethernet thread(s) at this time in the interest of improving the list signal-to-noise ratio for others. Also, the Serial vs USB vs Ethernet threads are repeats of past discussions here. The list archive is your friend. :-) See: elecraft.com/elist.html Also, when replying, please delete -all- copied list headers and most of the prior postings from your replies to reduce list clutter. 73, Eric Moderator and occasional COO.. elecraft.com === On 4/14/2014 1:27 PM, Fred Townsend wrote: How will you power Ethernet interface? USB has powering built in. Ethernet doesn't. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] 756ProIII vs K3
I got my license it seems like, even before Col. Sanders was even a Corporal. At the end of my sophomore year in Tucson High School, I worked all summer, with my cousin, in the crops in the Salem OR. area. I managed to save up enough money to buy a new NC 173 receiver, which was a new National model then. I'm not sure that was too good of an idea, as my buddies were buying used HQ 129s and had money left over to get Millen Exciters, with an 807 final. My first TX was built from parts of an old broadcast radio, and was only a bare 6V6 xtal oscillator, literally on a slab of wood(bread board). I think that I attached a non resonate long wire to the top of the output coil, for 80 and 40 meters. Tuning was via a light bulb in series with the antenna lead ! Talk about a QRP signal ! 73, Chuck, now W7CS __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Fake FTDI chips
Both ends have power. I have been writing network based comms for decades and I have never heard of such a question. Power is only needed for things like simple end devices. PEH's iPhone On Apr 14, 2014, at 1:27 PM, Fred Townsend fptowns...@earthlink.net wrote: How will you power Ethernet interface? USB has powering built in. Ethernet doesn't. 73 Fred, AE6QL -Original Message- From: Phil Hystad phys...@mac.com Sent: Apr 14, 2014 12:10 PM To: Joe Subich, W4TV li...@subich.com Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Fake FTDI chips Make it an Ethernet interface and then all kinds of nifty feature are available. PEH's iPad On Apr 14, 2014, at 12:00 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV li...@subich.com wrote: Then _Elecraft_ would need to worry about continuously updated and *signed* drivers for Windows (including Windows 95, 98, 2000 and XP compatible drivers 15 year after the operating system is no longer supported), OS-9, OS-X, and 57 varieties of LINUX. Far better to stick with RS-232 and leave the _USER_ be responsible for his on computer interfacing. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 4/14/2014 2:36 PM, Ross Primrose wrote: But, if Elecraft had a USB port on the back of the K3, then _Elecraft_ would be the only one that had to worry about fake chips. The end user would only have to supply a USB cable 73, Ross N4RP On 4/14/2014 2:19 PM, Ingo Meyer, DK3RED wrote: Hello Don, With the serial cable, I can use a real serial port or a good USB to serial adapter to program my handheld. I have to disagree with you. Yes, a RS-232 interface is the best choice, if you can use a RS-232 interface at your computer. If not, also you will use an adapter. But what is a RS-232 to USB adapter? Right, a chip from Prolific or FTDI ( hopefully). Nobody is protected from a fake chip. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to phys...@mac.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to fptowns...@earthlink.net __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Fake FTDI chips
So far as supporting old OS? What for? As in: You are running a very fine rig (K3), so I would assume a good (read as modern up-to-date) computer is also used in the shack - hence no legacy issues. What happens 10 years from now when you are still running your K3 with the adapter you bought from Elecraft? FTDI are no longer supporting the FT232BL with drivers for Windows 7, Microsoft are no longer supporting Windows 7 because they are pushing Windows-X and the hard drive crashes on your 15 year old computer and you need to do a full reinstall and can't get a driver for the obsolete OS and obsolete USB chip? There are *still* amateurs running their early computer controlled Yaesu or Kenwood or Icom rigs on Windows 98, 2000 and XP systems as well as some still using Apple OS-9 on PowerPC platforms. They expect that their hardware/software will be supported forever and a day no matter what - that's the amateur way G. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 4/14/2014 4:33 PM, Bill W2BLC wrote: Whatever is the problem? I bought the adapter from Elecraft - thus assuring me that it will work as it is supposed to. It works with whatever computer I have plugged in at the time - running an old version of HRD and the current stuff from Elecraft. So far as supporting old OS? What for? As in: You are running a very fine rig (K3), so I would assume a good (read as modern up-to-date) computer is also used in the shack - hence no legacy issues. Perhaps I am missing the point of this thread? Bill K-Line __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to li...@subich.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 M/M Contest stations
Folks - please tone down the discussion. Keith was just voicing an opinion, not making an attack. -All- technical opinions are welcome here. And there is no need to defend the K3's honor. It does pretty well on its own ;-) Now back to our hopefully more substantive, and polite, topics.. Your always enthusiastic list manager, Eric elecraft.com Yes, I -do- frequently make Tpyos -- I'm just typing (er, thinking) too fast! === On 4/14/2014 1:24 PM, XE3/K5ENS wrote: AND my money is that none of these radios are stock out of the box settings! Settings are settings and some have been changed. That's all I said. Keith, XE3/K5ENS __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 M/M Contest stations
Personally I am enjoying this discussion and am looking forward to the contest station settings. Anything to help improve the performance of my K3 is welcome. I am not the brightest bulb in the pack so always am grateful for any help. 73, Tim Herrick, KQ8M Charter Member North Coast Contesters k...@kq8m.com AR-Cluster V6 kq8m.no-ip.org User Ports: 23, 7373 with local skimmer, 7374 without local skimmer Server Ports: V6 3607, V4 Active 3605, V4 Passive 3606 -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft Sent: Monday, April 14, 2014 4:54 PM To: XE3/K5ENS; elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 M/M Contest stations Folks - please tone down the discussion. Keith was just voicing an opinion, not making an attack. -All- technical opinions are welcome here. And there is no need to defend the K3's honor. It does pretty well on its own ;-) Now back to our hopefully more substantive, and polite, topics.. Your always enthusiastic list manager, Eric elecraft.com Yes, I -do- frequently make Tpyos -- I'm just typing (er, thinking) too fast! === On 4/14/2014 1:24 PM, XE3/K5ENS wrote: AND my money is that none of these radios are stock out of the box settings! Settings are settings and some have been changed. That's all I said. Keith, XE3/K5ENS __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to k...@kq8m.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Fake FTDI chips
Likely the point is: * Many of us did not order the cable from Elecraft. I had three already and they all work fine with any of my computers (OS X 10.9, Win 7, Win 8.1) and all work well with the K3 and it's line -- excepting the KX3 and KAT500 which have a non-DB9 connector. * Several here have already said they are using Win XP, best I recall -- so assuming an up-to-date computer just because someone has a K3 is optimistic. 73, Phil w7ox On 4/14/14, 1:33 PM, Bill W2BLC wrote: Whatever is the problem? I bought the adapter from Elecraft - thus assuring me that it will work as it is supposed to. It works with whatever computer I have plugged in at the time - running an old version of HRD and the current stuff from Elecraft. So far as supporting old OS? What for? As in: You are running a very fine rig (K3), so I would assume a good (read as modern up-to-date) computer is also used in the shack - hence no legacy issues. Perhaps I am missing the point of this thread? Bill K-Line __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to w...@socal.rr.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Fake FTDI chips
On 4/14/2014 12:40 PM, WILLIS COOKE wrote: The only way I know to use a genuine RS-232 port is to use a desk top computer with a plug in board. I would also like to use a lap-top computer and as far as I know RS-232 ports are not available. If anyone knows differently, please let us in on the info. They are available using a device variously called a Port Converter or Docking Station. In addition, there is a genuine serial port on a slightly older Dell laptop that we use for our hospital's packet circuits. It's doable. -- -- 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane Elecraft K2/100 s/n 5402 From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Fake FTDI chips
The only way I know to use a genuine RS-232 port is to use a desk top computer with a plug in board. I would also like to use a lap-top computer and as far as I know RS-232 ports are not available. If anyone knows differently, please let us in on the info. They are available using a device variously called a Port Converter or Docking Station. In addition, there is a genuine serial port on a slightly older Dell laptop that we use for our hospital's packet circuits. It's doable. I use the E-Legacy Extender to add a real serial I/O port to current model Dell Latitude E-series laptops. I also have a Dell Latitude E6420 XFR ruggedized laptop with built-in serial port, but it surprisingly is implemented using a built-in USB-serial converter, as opposed to a real I/O port. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
[Elecraft] For Sale - 1.8 KHz SSB Filters for K3
I have for sale two KFL-3A 1.8 KHz, 8 Pole SSB Filters for the K3. $115 each. Free shipping, no tax. Paypal preferred. Dave Hachadorian, K6LL Yuma, AZ . __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 M/M Contest stations
Ditto. This is the first radio Ive ever owned that comes with an opioniated user community, no extra charge :) I also didn't know that D4C and W7RN had K3s. There is an ongoing debate amongst long time top 25 type contesters (of which I am not!) about the K3 for M/M. If the D4C level guys are using them..that is real high credibility. 73 Steve KL7SB Sent via the Samsung GALAXY S®4, an ATT 4G LTE smartphone Original message From: KQ8M k...@kq8m.com Date: 04/14/2014 12:59 PM (GMT-09:00) To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 M/M Contest stations Personally I am enjoying this discussion and am looking forward to the contest station settings. Anything to help improve the performance of my K3 is welcome. I am not the brightest bulb in the pack so always am grateful for any help. 73, Tim Herrick, KQ8M Charter Member North Coast Contesters k...@kq8m.com AR-Cluster V6 kq8m.no-ip.org User Ports: 23, 7373 with local skimmer, 7374 without local skimmer Server Ports: V6 3607, V4 Active 3605, V4 Passive 3606 -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft Sent: Monday, April 14, 2014 4:54 PM To: XE3/K5ENS; elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 M/M Contest stations Folks - please tone down the discussion. Keith was just voicing an opinion, not making an attack. -All- technical opinions are welcome here. And there is no need to defend the K3's honor. It does pretty well on its own ;-) Now back to our hopefully more substantive, and polite, topics.. Your always enthusiastic list manager, Eric elecraft.com Yes, I -do- frequently make Tpyos -- I'm just typing (er, thinking) too fast! === On 4/14/2014 1:24 PM, XE3/K5ENS wrote: AND my money is that none of these radios are stock out of the box settings! Settings are settings and some have been changed. That's all I said. Keith, XE3/K5ENS __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to k...@kq8m.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to sbl...@acsalaska.net __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Contest Configuration Setup
Jim: Could you upload this as a file to the reflector? 73 Steve KL7SB Sent via the Samsung GALAXY S®4, an ATT 4G LTE smartphone Original message From: Jim Brown j...@audiosystemsgroup.com Date: 04/14/2014 12:31 PM (GMT-09:00) To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Contest Configuration Setup On 4/14/2014 12:46 PM, Sam Morgan wrote: please share their *Contesting* setup with us, for both SSB and CW. K6LL has shared his ALC settings, and I defer to him. I've shared my audio settings many time -- for TXEQ, the three lowest bands maximum cut, 6 dB cut for the fourth band, then tweak on the basis of signal reports. For most mics, leave the rest of the bands flat. If a mic sounds spitty (too much high end), back off the highest band. Mic gain and compression by the manual, paying no attention to the numerical values of control readouts, but carefully watching compression on the mater, and setting it for 10 dB on audio peaks. Computer playback level coming out of the computer should be set to that voice peaks are about 6 dB below clip level at the sound card (clip is typically 1 volt peak, so set it for 0.5 volt peak). Then set line input gain so that you get the same indicated compression on computer playback as you do with the live mic. Obviously, be careful when recording your messages so that they are recorded cleanly, without distortion. If possible, use the same mic for these voice messages as with the radio. This is quite simple if you're using a mic like the Yamaha CM500. The K3 should ALWAYS be set up with no ALC between it and a power amp, and the K3 power output should be set to the level that results in the desired power output from the amp. My KPA500 gets to full power with 29W drive; I need between 40 and 50w to drive my Ten Tec Titans to full power. I set up my P3s for maximum averaging, with a tall waterfall display that gives me a full minute at a time. For contesting, I set the scale for 42 dB; for general operation, I use 24 dB. I set the Fixed Tune mode, and assign the Fixed Tune toggle to one of the buttons. I assign the Peak/Average toggle to another button. The remaining six are set for sweep widths of 2 kHz, 10 kHz, 20 kHz, 50 kHz, 100 kHz, and 200 kHz. Now, all I need to change on the P3 during most contests is the sensitivity, to keep band noise near the bottom of the display so that weak signals are more clearly displayed. Before each contest that I'm taking seriously, I run through all bands on both radios setting drive levels, leaving frequencies on each band near where I plan to operate, setting the P3 display limits to match the normal operating frequency range of that particular contest. And I tune up on each band and each antenna, note the settings, look for any antennas or settings that have changed since the last time around, and look for the cause of those differences as a potential failure. Hope this helps. 73, Jim K9YC __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to sbl...@acsalaska.net __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
[Elecraft] Test
Test __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Fake FTDI chips
Real serial ports are available on the Dell D810. This will also run W7 32 bit without problems (at least none that I have found). I have used it to program Motorola, Icom and Yaesu radios so far. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 M/M Contest stations
On 4/14/2014 3:15 PM, Stephen Bloom wrote: If the D4C level guys are using them..that is real high credibility. N6TV won CW Sweepstakes this year from W7RN. He's been using k3s since they first came out. As I recall, more than half the rigs at WRTC last time around were K3s. N6TV, K6XX, and N6XI are three more locals who competed at WRTC in Russia, and all are K3 owners. K6XX has a bunch in his multi-multi station. He's a bit of a special case -- he's an engineer at Elecraft. 73, Jim __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
[Elecraft] Elecraft needs some Serious work on their customer service
I am posting this here in hopes that one of the owners sees it and can correct the customer service attitude. When a company sends a produce to the wrong address they should have the decency to make it right. It should not be up the the customer to have to track down a package. to ensure it gets handled properly. And when the customer calls, Make sure your personnel know how to use the Mute button correctly (yea I heard that) __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] KX3 caring case
I'm sure that it does. As I understand it, Rose spent some time in the hospital and is (hopefully) recovering quickly at home now. As I wrote to Rich privately, anyone with outstanding orders might want to contact OM Ken (K0PP) at: kengk...@gmail.com to inquire about the status of your order. The quality of craftsmanship of Rose's cases is outstanding. I have covers that she made for my K1, K2, K3 and KX3, and cases for the K2 and KX3. Also a custom cover for my Begali Sculpture paddle. They're well worth the wait. I would hope that everyone would cut Rose some slack and allow her to recover. 73 de Jim - AD6CW On 4/14/2014 7:48 AM, Phil Wheeler wrote: I've read, perhaps at the Yahoo KX3 group, that Rose has been ill. I don't know if that affects product availability or not. Phil w7ox On 4/14/14, 6:46 AM, Richard Range wrote: Does anyone know if Rose is still making the cases for Elecraft radios? I ordered mine back in Feb. for the KX3 and haven't heard from her since. Rich WB9SFG __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 M/M Contest stations
No problems with folks posting their contest mode K3 settings. I was just ending the more argumentative part :-) I did not mean to close the complete thread. Post away with your favorite K3 settings, contests or otherwise. 73, Eric Moderator from time to time elecraft.com === On 4/14/2014 1:59 PM, KQ8M wrote: Personally I am enjoying this discussion and am looking forward to the contest station settings. Anything to help improve the performance of my K3 is welcome. I am not the brightest bulb in the pack so always am grateful for any help. -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft Sent: Monday, April 14, 2014 4:54 PM To: XE3/K5ENS; elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 M/M Contest stations Folks - please tone down the discussion. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Fake FTDI chips
Folks - we are exceeding the normal posting limit for this thread subject. Let's let it rest for now. 73, Eric List Moderator, Modulator and Therapist.. elecraft.com === On 4/14/2014 3:35 PM, Philip Carter wrote: Real serial ports are available on the Dell D810. This will also run W7 32 bit without problems (at least none that I have found). I have used it to program Motorola, Icom and Yaesu radios so far. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
[Elecraft] Driving external relays by mode (or maybe by band)
I have a K3 with the Two Meter Module and I would like a way to switch the antenna automatically between my Yagi and Vertical when I switch between CW/SSB and FM. Is there a way I can pull a line high or low depending on mode? Thank you -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Driving-external-relays-by-mode-or-maybe-by-band-tp7587243.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Fake FTDI chips
The point is that though Elecraft sells dongles and no doubt does its best to buy genuine dongles, they do not generate enough revenue for Elecraft to make a lot of guarantees. I bought one of Elecraft's dongles when I bought my K3 in 2007. It worked well with the XP computer that I used then. It did not work when I upgraded to Win 7, but I would not expect Elecraft to guarantee that it would work with an operating system that was not available when the dongle was sold. All I have heard is advise to buy dongles from reputable dealers, but how do you identify the reputable dealer. I think we can all agree that Elecraft qualifies as a reputable dealer, but I bought the dongle from Elecraft and at the time no one knew what was happening so I bought an RS-232 card and eliminated the dongle for my desk top, but I don't know how to find a reputable dealer to buy a dongle for my new Chinese made Lenovo lap top. Some information, such as I bought a SkyBlue dongle from ABC Company for $129.95 and it worked prefectly in my Win 7 machine from Bangladesh Computer Company would be helpful. I have not seen any such advise here. Willis 'Cookie' Cooke, TDXS DX Chairman K5EWJ Trustee N5BPS, USS Cavalla, USS Stewart From: Phil Wheeler w...@socal.rr.com To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Monday, April 14, 2014 4:06 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Fake FTDI chips Likely the point is: * Many of us did not order the cable from Elecraft. I had three already and they all work fine with any of my computers (OS X 10.9, Win 7, Win 8.1) and all work well with the K3 and it's line -- excepting the KX3 and KAT500 which have a non-DB9 connector. * Several here have already said they are using Win XP, best I recall -- so assuming an up-to-date computer just because someone has a K3 is optimistic. 73, Phil w7ox On 4/14/14, 1:33 PM, Bill W2BLC wrote: Whatever is the problem? I bought the adapter from Elecraft - thus assuring me that it will work as it is supposed to. It works with whatever computer I have plugged in at the time - running an old version of HRD and the current stuff from Elecraft. So far as supporting old OS? What for? As in: You are running a very fine rig (K3), so I would assume a good (read as modern up-to-date) computer is also used in the shack - hence no legacy issues. Perhaps I am missing the point of this thread? Bill K-Line __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to w...@socal.rr.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to wrco...@yahoo.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 M/M Contest stations
What would be really nice ...would be the ability to save a few configurations, and toggle them with a button within N1MM and WinTest. 73 Steve KL7SB Keith, That may be true, but if it is, each operator will know how to set it up to his preferences. I say again, if he does not know how to set it up, he should leave it alone. In the midst of a contest is not the time to be fiddling with things to find out what each operator wants. A bit of education and practice with settings beforehand *can* make such operator changeovers smooth. Perhaps your group can agree on some compromise settings that will work suitably for all. After all, DXPeditions using multiple operators seem to do something like that with success. Setting up for a contest should be no more difficult. 73, Don W3FPR On 4/14/2014 1:54 PM, XE3/K5ENS wrote: Don, No way could someone that was a real serious contester use the K3 with the stock settings and score anywhere near the points that could be scored without changing the settings. A stock K3 is NOT a contest radio. And I think that's where a lot of the cons about the K3 happen. There are several settings in the K3 that must be changed to make the radio a contest radio. Keith, XE3/K5ENS __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to sbl...@acsalaska.net __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Driving external relays by mode (or maybe by band)
Yes. Take a look at the KRC2 Band decoder. It decides which antenna to select based on band data from the K3 and provides the relay drivers (12 or 24 volt) to operate your coaxial switches, http://www.elecraft.com/KRC2/krc2.htm http://www.elecraft.com/KRC2/krc2.htm -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Driving-external-relays-by-mode-or-maybe-by-band-tp7587243p7587246.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Driving external relays by mode (or maybe by band)
Yes, I can do it that way at last resort, but then the question, becomes how can I split up the Two Meter Band into different segments. -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Driving-external-relays-by-mode-or-maybe-by-band-tp7587243p7587247.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Mic and headphone
Phone lines are Typically 600 ohms -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Mic-and-headphone-tp7585125p7587248.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 M/M Contest stations
This is a pretty wiggly thread and seems to have drifted pretty far off of Steve's original query. First off Steve, I erred slightly when I said that W7RN has 4 K3's set up in two independent SO2R positions. I later remembered that Tom actually has 5 K3's, not sure if the 5th one is a spare or he has other uses for it. I believe all of the operational 4 are identically configured. I don't do SO2R [I'm lucky to succeed with one radio in front of me and that's all I touch], but W7RN is a totally first class station so I'll bet they're identical. Second, I believe I understand your original question to be pointing at the unmistakable fact that everyone likes to configure their radio to their own personal tastes, the K3 is highly configurable, and in a M/M [or even a M/S] situation, this can lead to radio fiddling instead of point-scoring. I'm guilty of that ... I lost most of my hearing many years ago and I run the AF gain pretty high. I try and turn it down when I'm relieved by someone but I also caution my compatriots that I can forget to do that [i.e. don't put the cans on without checking the AF Gain. 50 years ago, commercial CW ops always wore cans forward to protect their ears]. But, if it's not a front panel adjustment, I don't change anything on Tom's radios. The biggest other factor I've noticed in a multi op is the sidetone monitor level. That seems to be a big factor among operators, however that level is a front panel adjustment on the K3, sort of like AF Gain. I am on the N6A crew that activates Alpine County in CQP. We've always been M/S until recently when we've gone M/M. There is a core group, we've always tried to be standard, but there are usually additional ops each year. Many of them want to reconfigure the radio, the logging program, and whatever. We discourage that, but this is also a hobby and we like to all get along, so there always seems to be a compromise. :-) Third, I don't think your question had anything to do with using K3's out of the box in serious contesting vs not using them at all or adding options. Direct answer to your question from my experience: I don't think the behind the scenes configurability of the K3 detracts from its use in multis. It's lack of phase noise, key clicks, spurs, IMD, and its extreme BDR really make it very attractive in a multi. :-) I'll reply to your question about coastal CW directly. 73, Fred K6DGW - Northern California Contest Club - CU in the 2014 Cal QSO Party 4-5 Oct 2014 - www.cqp.org On 4/14/2014 3:15 PM, Stephen Bloom wrote: Ditto. This is the first radio Ive ever owned that comes with an opioniated user community, no extra charge :) I also didn't know that D4C and W7RN had K3s. There is an ongoing debate amongst long time top 25 type contesters (of which I am not!) about the K3 for M/M. If the D4C level guys are using them..that is real high credibility. 73 Steve KL7SB __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft needs some Serious work on their customer service
Hi Harry, I saw your posting and I apologize for any problems that occurred with your order. I know how frustrating it can be when a shipment ends up going to an incorrect address. Please feel free to contact me here at Elecraft directly if you wish. (831-763-4211, x 151 ) I'll make sure that no matter what, we'll make it right for you. 73, Eric Swartz (WA6HHQ) COO Co-Founder Elecraft On 4/14/2014 3:40 PM, Harry Yingst wrote: I am posting this here in hopes that one of the owners sees it and can correct the customer service attitude. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Driving external relays by mode (or maybe by band)
To the best of my knowledge there is only one band decoder currently in production that allows splitting an amateur band by frequency - that is the microHAM Station Master. Station Master has a fully user programmable frequency table which permits splitting any (or all) bands into as many different segments as are needed for the available antennas. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 4/14/2014 7:44 PM, Harry_Yingst wrote: Yes, I can do it that way at last resort, but then the question, becomes how can I split up the Two Meter Band into different segments. -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Driving-external-relays-by-mode-or-maybe-by-band-tp7587243p7587247.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to li...@subich.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Driving external relays by mode (or maybe by band)
Thank you, This does give me another path to explore. (I could use something like an Atmel AVR to read the serial line.) -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Driving-external-relays-by-mode-or-maybe-by-band-tp7587243p7587252.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Diversity in remote mode with K3/0
How about a Macro assigned to a different key? -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Diversity-in-remote-mode-with-K3-0-tp7585912p7587253.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 M/M Contest stations
Sorry, did not intend to descend into jargon. In contests there are usually, not all contests are the same, two separate entry classes. M/S is Multi-Single ... multiple operators who take turns on one radio [i.e. transmitter]. M/M is Multi-Multi ... multiple operators who operate more than one transmitter. Generally, M/M means multiple operators, two transmitters, but sometimes it can be more than two rigs. Probably the ultimate M/M is a DXPedition, Field Day runs a close second although Field Day is not a contest if you believe the official word. The problem that confronts any group of multiple operators, regardless of the number of radios, is that they are all going to share a radio, and everyone likes their's different. Steve's question seems to be, and apparently this has been a discussion up in the Frozen North, Does the very significant configurability of the K3 present a problem in multi-operations when each operator wants his own? Welcome to the hobby, Hoop! If your experience is anything like mine has been for 60 years, it's a continual learning experience. 73, Fred K6DGW - Northern California Contest Club - CU in the 2014 Cal QSO Party 4-5 Oct 2014 - www.cqp.org On 4/14/2014 6:12 PM, jkhoo...@rockisland.com wrote: What do “M/M” and “M/S” refer to? I’m a new ham and still learning. Hoop __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] David Cole...756ProIII vs K3
I have owned the original 756, the Pro, ProII and the ProIII. I now own the IC-7600. Despite having a better receiver, I still prefer the ProIII. Perhaps one of the best all around radios I've ever owned. The K-Line remains my main station, with the K2 on 1 side and the KX3 on the other. If I hadn't invested some my of retirement funds into the K-Line I would have been perfectly happy with the ProIII. I have also spent a few weeks with the FTdx-3000 and the FTdx-1200. Both wonderful radios. The K3, with a full stack of filters, is the best receiver I've ever had the pleasure to listen to. After a few contests, you will really understand how the K3 RX shines. Every once in a while, I move all the Elecraft gear into the storage room and setup one of the Big-Three rigs along with a decent Ameritron amp. I always conclude: they are all good radios and you can certainly enjoy the hobby to fullest measure with any of them. But the K3, once you pass up the learning curve, does everything in a very sensible way. Like maybe it was designed by people who really understand why some of us sit in front of a radio for hours. I really enjoy checking out the latest and best from Japan. They all have their strengths - fascinating and usable interfaces. The receivers are getting better and better. I'm just always drawn back to the K3 because it works the way I think. When all 4 units are online and slaved together, there is nothing that is easier or works better. I think it is a rare person that does conclude that the K3 is a serious keeper. 73, Doug -- K0DXV On 4/13/2014 11:20 AM, David Cole wrote: Hi Fred, I only trust exact apples to apples comparisons... A few miles can make a bit difference in props. I will do an A/B with my Pro3, using everything the same, antenna, feedline, etc. I will keep the rig that performs better. I have an interesting mix of conditions... 20 is very quiet and has almost no noise on it, while 40 is filled with QRM. It will be interesting to see what happens. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
[Elecraft] PR6 power/control plug
Had anyone please tell me the identity of the power/control plug required for the PR6 pre-amp. I don't have my PR6 to hand at the moment and need to get a plug wired up for the Camb-Hams dxpedition to the Ise of Lewis. Details here for those who may be interested http://dx.camb-hams.com/ Thanks in advance for any help. 73 de Colin G4ERO __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] 756ProIII vs K3
In 1964 I had the same setup: HQ-170A, Eico 720 and a VFO. In those days, the HQ-170 was like science fiction come true for me. It was wonderful stuff. But, one day, I visited another ham who had just gotten a Drake 'B' line. Don't remember what year it was. But I was very impressed. I think, even today, the 'B' line would be a very usable pair of rigs. Because of them, I owned a 'C' line for many years with every modification I could find for them. Eventually, someone offered me a price that made me gasp. I turned that money into a 756-Pro. I too tend to rent rigs. I have a closet full right now. I doubt any of them will see anymore desk time. I've proven to myself over and over that the K3 is the real keeper. Until there's a K4, I doubt anything else will ever be front and center on my desk. 73, Doug -- K0DXV On 4/14/2014 12:56 AM, Richard S. Leary wrote: Nostalgia trip. Built my Eico 720 in 62, but splurged with an HQ-170A rcvr. After spending around 5 hours a day (average) for 6 1/2 years doing CW intercept, spinning the knobs on an SP-600, Hammarlund seemed a good way to go. Still have a couple of 40 mtr xtals for the 720. The big jump was the VFO for the 720. Went from the 720 to Heathkit SB-300/400, to Collins 75s3/32s3, to Kenwood TS870S, then to presently the K3/100, KPA500, and P3 (all kits, and no hardware/software failures, except those of the operator induced kind.). I would have loved a K3 during my intercept days. Ever try changing bands from 10m to say 40m or 80m on an R-390. Not my idea of fun. Sounds like a few Keesler Thompson Hall folks out there. Right Fred. OK, enough OT. Thanks for the memories. Good luck on that 720 Phil. 73, Rick, W7LKG -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Phil Hystad Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2014 22:14 To: Milt -- N5IA Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] 756ProIII vs K3 Actually, I am in the slow process of rebuilding an Eico 720 right now. I am doing from scratch with all new parts except for the transformers, switches and inductors. I am even putting new tube sockets in the chassis and also new terminal strips. I am still in the process of collecting everything before I start. I have two Eico 720s from which I am starting. I think one of them was a factory built unit because a number of parts like tube sockets and the modulator socket on the rear as well as the VFO switch on the back were mounted with rivets rather than pan head screws and nuts. It is a slow background project though. But, I do have some 40-meter crystals all ready for when it is finished. 73, phil, K7PEH On Apr 13, 2014, at 9:26 PM, Milt -- N5IA n...@zia-connection.com wrote: Boy, you guys were in HIGH cotton with those great receivers I built my Eico 720 in 1960 but all I could afford for a RX was a National NC-60. I later added a home brew Q-multiplier to the NC-60 and that was my station until 1965. MEMORIES!! Now it is K-3's forever. 73 de Milt, N5IA -Original Message- From: Phil Hystad Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2014 8:30 PM To: d...@nk7z.net Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] 756ProIII vs K3 And, better than my HQ-170AC and Eico 720 circa '60s. On Apr 13, 2014, at 7:50 PM, David Cole d...@nk7z.net wrote: I know it must be better than the old HQ-110, and Eico 720! :) -- Thanks and 73's, For equipment, and software setups and reviews see: www.nk7z.net for MixW support see; http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info for Dopplergram information see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/dopplergram/info for MM-SSTV see: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info On Sun, 2014-04-13 at 18:44 -0700, Phil Wheeler wrote: David, my K3 is very new (#8004) and it's the best rig I've owned in 60 years at this hobby (of course, those in the early years weren't even close -- first was a converted WWII Arc-V pair, heavily converted). You will love it, I predict. 73, Phil w7ox On 4/13/14, 6:33 PM, David Cole wrote: That is what I wanted to hear, I bought teh K3 because of the filters... I am glad to see someone saying something positive them! THANK YOU! __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to d...@nk7z.net __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to phys...@mac.com
[Elecraft] PR6 power/control plug
Could anyone please tell me the identity of the power/control plug required for the PR6 pre-amp. I don't have my PR6 to hand at the moment and need to get a plug wired up for the Camb-Hams dxpedition to the Ise of Lewis. Details here for those who may be interested http://dx.camb-hams.com/ Thanks in advance for any help. 73 de Colin G4ERO __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] 756ProIII vs K3
Hey, I have an HQ-129 in storage looking for someone to restore it. Anybody interested? 73, Doug -- K0DXV On 4/14/2014 2:48 PM, Chuck Smallhouse wrote: I got my license it seems like, even before Col. Sanders was even a Corporal. At the end of my sophomore year in Tucson High School, I worked all summer, with my cousin, in the crops in the Salem OR. area. I managed to save up enough money to buy a new NC 173 receiver, which was a new National model then. I'm not sure that was too good of an idea, as my buddies were buying used HQ 129s and had money left over to get Millen Exciters, with an 807 final. My first TX was built from parts of an old broadcast radio, and was only a bare 6V6 xtal oscillator, literally on a slab of wood(bread board). I think that I attached a non resonate long wire to the top of the output coil, for 80 and 40 meters. Tuning was via a light bulb in series with the antenna lead ! Talk about a QRP signal ! 73, Chuck, now W7CS __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to k0...@aol.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] [OT] [OT] [OT] K2a
Yes. I can understand your feelings for the K1. It's the coolest cw transceiver you can own. Not too small - not too big. Seems like there is nothing I can't work with it. If I can hear - I can work it. Mine has 80, 40, 20 and 17 and the tuner. A 120' doublet feed with 300 ohm twin-lead and I'm set. The tuner can tune it to any of the bands. I bought one when it first came out. After a while I sold it. A few years later it dawned on me how perfect it was. So I built another and love it. Same with the K2. I built #1920. Hand it for a few years and good a great offer and sold it. A year later I built another one. I liked it but didn't quite love it enough. Sold it too. A few years later I realized I just wanted another K2. Built my third one like a work of art. Now then can place it in the coffin with me when I go. I'll never part with. I must be a little thick because it seems to take a while for me to realize how irreplaceable the K1 and K2 are. 73, Doug -- K0DXV On 4/12/2014 11:52 PM, EricJ wrote: Obviously a lot of thought has been put into evolving the Elecraft lineup. I have everything up to but not including the K3. The K1 is my favorite for some reason. I like how it sounds on CW. I like the relative simplicity and size. The KX1 is a very different radio and very specialized for a smaller niche. I never liked how it tunes, having to continually twist and poke the tiny tuning knob which feels a little wobbly while you're doing all that. I liked the K2 so much I bought two of them. hi. The KX3 doesn't attract me much because if I'm having fun camping or hiking, a radio is kind of a distraction to me. The K1 more than fills the need for a portable radio for the few times I pack it. The KX3 is obviously a very popular choice for many others. But a K3/10 is in my near future for the home shack. Definitely something in their line up for every interest. Elecraft rigs are the only commercial rigs I have anymore, and when I drop into HRO and spin the dial on the other offerings, I can't even pretend interest. They all feel gaudy and gimmicky. All show and no go as we used to say about custom cars. Eric KE6US On 4/12/2014 10:04 PM, Robin Bayer wrote: I am still adding to my K2...but just dreaming...I would like to see a center detent on the RIT, a kx3 like display, except green, with both A/B VFOs displayed. A separate digital in/out like the K3, an updated DAC with finer resolution... And DSP controls like K3/KX3. I know get a KX3...not yet. Ok I would really dig a P2. Maybe one that also folds up and rests on top of the radio and when closed acts as a front panel cover. Or maybe one that slides out from under the radio, has touch screen keyboard, digital decode, and pan adapter. or folds out 4 ways like an SLR screen. I still use my loaded K1 often, but always wanted a 20 turn VFO with a lock. I can't believe someone hasn't made And 80 or 40 thru 12m on one band board. KX1...like as is it but sometimes miss having 17-12m. Rob KA5QQA On Sat, Apr 12, 2014 at 12:40 AM, Michael Poteet mcpot...@gmail.com wrote: Having noticed the recent semiannual K4 speculation I wanted to offer speculation in a different direction. The K2 was originally offered as a true kit that, upon completion, provided a radio capable of both home use and trail use. The trail/remote and home use capabilities have been supplanted by the other radios in the Elecraft stable. The only really unique feature of the K2 is that it is a true kit; that said, it is a bit behind the curve in tech plus it is a major PITB to align. I would like to see Elecraft revisit the K2 (well, not exactly): 01) Keep it a kit as much as possible. So maybe RF and AF sections could be kits (at least partially). 02) Fully assembled as an option. 03) Make the middle a high performance SDR; factory assembled and aligned. 04) 6 KHz band pass filter in the first IF with the DSP doing the remaining filtering functions. 05) Include a 12 volt to (say) 60 volt conversion to power a high voltage RF section. 06) 100 watts output. 07) No FM but add 6 meters. 08) Include Digital Voice as a mode. Pick one of the Open Source implementations. Make it an App; Elecraft would maintain the latest source code and latest compiled App; anyone who wished could modify and install their own version; might be an area where Amateurs could contribute something meaningful. 09) Competent single receiver (with RIT) but not necessarily (in Japanese radio jargon) Competition Grade. 10) Very competent transmit (with XIT): no splatter, no clicks, no noise. 11) Put it all inside a big box in the style of the best looking piece of Ham Radio gear ever designed: the Collins 75A4. 12) Real Collins style knobs , real bat handle toggle switches. 13) Only a few radio functions need constant, easy access, tie those to the big knobs and toggle switches.
Re: [Elecraft] K3 M/M Contest stations
Hi Fabio, Well maybe they were identical but you avoided the question. WHAT WERE THEY?? You have a lot of cumulative knowledge people were asking about. With multi-ops and 48 hour contests you get more exposure in a contest weekend than I and many get in a year of casual and contesting operating. K9YC just did an interesting post and gave interesting P3 info. Even if you don't give exact values and settings the background as to what and why changes were made would be interesting to many. That is the old Ham Radio sharing aspect. 73, Bob K2TK ex KN2TKR (1956) K2TKR On 4/14/2014 2:40 PM, I4UFH wrote: Hi Guys The configuration of all the K3 were identical, so operators can move between bands, without worry about, equalizer, filters, or mic control, no one had touched these configuration during the contest, because during the contest ur are busy to run … 73 de Fabio I4UFH / D4C SSB Team Leader __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 M/M Contest stations
I think you can use the K3 Utility to save the K3 configuration, rename it with your own call sign then save it, copy it to a flash card, and restore that configuration on a different K3 from its K3 Utility. I don't know if anyone has tried this, but saving and restoring the K3 configuration is contained in the K3 Utility. 73, Tom - W4BQF -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of sbl...@acsalaska.net Sent: Monday, April 14, 2014 7:35 PM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 M/M Contest stations What would be really nice ...would be the ability to save a few configurations, and toggle them with a button within N1MM and WinTest. 73 Steve KL7SB Keith, That may be true, but if it is, each operator will know how to set it up to his preferences. I say again, if he does not know how to set it up, he should leave it alone. In the midst of a contest is not the time to be fiddling with things to find out what each operator wants. A bit of education and practice with settings beforehand *can* make such operator changeovers smooth. Perhaps your group can agree on some compromise settings that will work suitably for all. After all, DXPeditions using multiple operators seem to do something like that with success. Setting up for a contest should be no more difficult. 73, Don W3FPR On 4/14/2014 1:54 PM, XE3/K5ENS wrote: Don, No way could someone that was a real serious contester use the K3 with the stock settings and score anywhere near the points that could be scored without changing the settings. A stock K3 is NOT a contest radio. And I think that's where a lot of the cons about the K3 happen. There are several settings in the K3 that must be changed to make the radio a contest radio. Keith, XE3/K5ENS __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to sbl...@acsalaska.net __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to alderm...@windstream.net __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 M/M Contest stations
I'm not sure. My recollection is that someone posted a few weeks ago that he has two K3s and could not load the config file save from one into his other one. I don't plan to be in a position to try that myself 73, Phil w7ox On 4/14/14, 8:48 PM, Chester Alderman wrote: I think you can use the K3 Utility to save the K3 configuration, rename it with your own call sign then save it, copy it to a flash card, and restore that configuration on a different K3 from its K3 Utility. I don't know if anyone has tried this, but saving and restoring the K3 configuration is contained in the K3 Utility. 73, Tom - W4BQF __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 M/M Contest stations
I always thought that K3 configs were rig specific. If you tried to load another K3's config you'll mess up your own rigs LO calibration settings, etc. Would be nice if you could save a config that just had EQ/Band/NR/etc settings without blowing away stuff in the tech menu. Frank KG6EYC On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 8:48 PM, Chester Alderman alderm...@windstream.netwrote: I think you can use the K3 Utility to save the K3 configuration, rename it with your own call sign then save it, copy it to a flash card, and restore that configuration on a different K3 from its K3 Utility. I don't know if anyone has tried this, but saving and restoring the K3 configuration is contained in the K3 Utility. -- CW: NAQCC #6554 | SKCC #10435 | FISTS #16155 | SOC #1038 | FPQRP #3186 Digital: FHC #4224 | 30MDG #6370 | DMC #5698 Gear: K3 #7164 | P3 #3134 | KX3 #1787 http://vadept.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 M/M Contest stations
Don't think it will work -- I believe the serial number is saved in the config file, and the K3 utility won't load it onto another radio with a different serial number. Remember, the configuration file will contain not only normal user settings, but also hardware configuration and calibration values which will vary from radio to radio. 73, Matt VK2RQ. On 15 Apr 2014, at 2:05 pm, Phil Wheeler w...@socal.rr.com wrote: I'm not sure. My recollection is that someone posted a few weeks ago that he has two K3s and could not load the config file save from one into his other one. I don't plan to be in a position to try that myself 73, Phil w7ox On 4/14/14, 8:48 PM, Chester Alderman wrote: I think you can use the K3 Utility to save the K3 configuration, rename it with your own call sign then save it, copy it to a flash card, and restore that configuration on a different K3 from its K3 Utility. I don't know if anyone has tried this, but saving and restoring the K3 configuration is contained in the K3 Utility. 73, Tom - W4BQF __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to matt.vk...@gmail.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 M/M Contest stations
K3 configurations are not transferable to other K3s. Some of the configuration parameters are specific to the K3, like the gain calibration and VCO parameters. Accordingly, the K3 Utility only allows configurations to be restored to the same serial number K3 that they were saved from. This is a good thing. It would be nice if the radio non-specific configuration parameters were transferrable but that feature currently is not available. Ed W0YK Phil, W7OX wrote: I'm not sure. My recollection is that someone posted a few weeks ago that he has two K3s and could not load the config file save from one into his other one. I don't plan to be in a position to try that myself On 4/14/14, 8:48 PM, Chester Alderman wrote: I think you can use the K3 Utility to save the K3 configuration, rename it with your own call sign then save it, copy it to a flash card, and restore that configuration on a different K3 from its K3 Utility. I don't know if anyone has tried this, but saving and restoring the K3 configuration is contained in the K3 Utility. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 M/M Contest stations
Sounds like something for the list... This would be a handy feature! Mike W0MU On 4/14/2014 10:59 PM, Ed Muns wrote: K3 configurations are not transferable to other K3s. Some of the configuration parameters are specific to the K3, like the gain calibration and VCO parameters. Accordingly, the K3 Utility only allows configurations to be restored to the same serial number K3 that they were saved from. This is a good thing. It would be nice if the radio non-specific configuration parameters were transferrable but that feature currently is not available. Ed W0YK Phil, W7OX wrote: I'm not sure. My recollection is that someone posted a few weeks ago that he has two K3s and could not load the config file save from one into his other one. I don't plan to be in a position to try that myself On 4/14/14, 8:48 PM, Chester Alderman wrote: I think you can use the K3 Utility to save the K3 configuration, rename it with your own call sign then save it, copy it to a flash card, and restore that configuration on a different K3 from its K3 Utility. I don't know if anyone has tried this, but saving and restoring the K3 configuration is contained in the K3 Utility. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to w...@w0mu.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
