Re: [Elecraft] DB9 connectors

2015-07-26 Thread John
You might try expanding your product search to include the term DE9 
rather than DB9.  The E is the shell size and the electronics parts 
world usually references it this way.  Worth a try anyway.


John, kx4o

On 7/25/2015 9:33 AM, Raymond METZGER wrote:

connectors is too big.  I looked at many supplier web pages but didn't find
a thinner DB9 connector without bolts.




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Re: [Elecraft] Cwskimmer Bandwidth and more

2015-07-26 Thread Jim Bolit
Skimmer info.  This guy got it to work

Rake






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Date: 07/24/2015  3:42 PM  (GMT-08:00)
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Subject: [Elecraft] Cwskimmer Bandwidth and more

Don,

cwskimmer settings allows up to 196khz.

I have seen it decode way more than 48k.

With the subreciever tap you did for me, I have had separate cwskimmer
sessions running on each receiver in the k3. I then am alerted of a needed
station on another band.

I use win4k3 for the main control and panadapter display, and then nap3 for
the second pandapter display.

There are frequency polling issues with the subreciever, but if I get an
alert in skimmer, I can easily find the right frequency and work them.

73

Doug NA1DX
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[Elecraft] K2 rework eliminators - mic board

2015-07-26 Thread Floyd Sense
I just acquired a K2 again after years without one and wanted to order 
one of the mic option boards from unpcbs.com.  That particular board is 
no longer available, but the website seems to indicate that there might 
be a future run of the board.  Unfortunately, there's no contact info at 
the site so can't communicate my interest to them. Anyone have any 
information on a new board or know how to contact the owners?


73, Floyd - K8AC
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[Elecraft] db9/de9 shells

2015-07-26 Thread Robert 'RC' Conley
here some are

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Lot10-Metalized-D-Sub-DB9pin-DE9-Shielded-Plastic-Hood-Cover-Housing-Shell-screw-/291511166355?hash=item43df6b6593

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Re: [Elecraft] K2 rework eliminators - mic board

2015-07-26 Thread Gary Marklund
Floyd,

I just did some snooping around their site and found this under contact
us,  http://www.unpcbs.com/us/#contact.

Hope you find one. I built my K2 with both the unpcbs Rework Eliminator and
the IMA. Makes life a lot easier.

Gary


On Sun, Jul 26, 2015 at 5:35 AM, Floyd Sense fl...@k8ac.net wrote:

 I just acquired a K2 again after years without one and wanted to order one
 of the mic option boards from unpcbs.com.  That particular board is no
 longer available, but the website seems to indicate that there might be a
 future run of the board.  Unfortunately, there's no contact info at the
 site so can't communicate my interest to them. Anyone have any information
 on a new board or know how to contact the owners?

 73, Floyd - K8AC
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[Elecraft] DB9 connectors

2015-07-26 Thread Raymond METZGER
Hi everybody,

First, many thanks to George AI4VZ, Knut AB2TC, Harry NK9R, Jim K9YC and
Brian K3KO, for their prompt mails (five answers within 2 1/4 hours !).
Nobody told me that what I'm looking for does exist
I will adopt the Hands-on attitude and make my own DB9 connector, leaving
the screws and the shells aside.
If this doesn't work in a reliable way, I will move to the USB adapter. 
I doubt Hewlett Packard will accept to cancel the sale and give my money
back.
I let you know...

Many thanks again
Ray, F4FNT 
  


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Re: [Elecraft] 200 Hz 5-pole filter

2015-07-26 Thread Bill Breeden


Since Sherwood's Dynamic Range Narrow Spaced measurement is of great 
interest to CW operators, it only makes sense to make the measurement 
using a CW filter, optional or not.  The measurement would be 
meaningless to CW operators if made using the stock sideband filter.


73,

Bill - NA5DX


On 7/25/2015 1:47 PM, elecraft-requ...@mailman.qth.net wrote:

Message: 27
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2015 11:04:20 -0700 (MST)
From: XE3/K5ENS via Elecraftelecraft@mailman.qth.net
To:elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] 200 Hz 5-pole filter
Message-ID:1437847460881-7605322.p...@n2.nabble.com
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii

Apples and oranges.

The K3 is still no 2 with the 200 Hz 5-pole filter.  You just can no longer
buy the radio with that filter.

I have always found it a little strange that Sherwood never stated that
the filters used in his test were optional on the K3?

If the K3 was tested with the stock filter it may make it into the top 10.

Don't get me wrong I have a K3S on order.  I'm just looking at the data


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[Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Announcement

2015-07-26 Thread kev...@coho.net

Good Morning,
Please join us this afternoon and evening.

14050 kHz at 2200z Sunday (3 PM PDT Sunday)
 7045 kHz at 0100z Monday (6 PM PDT Sunday)

73,
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Re: [Elecraft] K3: Actual bandwidth of Inrad 500hz 8-pole filter?

2015-07-26 Thread Scott Manthe

This has some filter plots for various K3 filters:

http://www.nccc.cc/archived_meetings/pdf/K3%20Filters,%20Jan%202009.pdf

73,
Scott N9AA


On 7/26/15 3:28 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:


http://www.elecraft.com/K3/K3_filter_plots.htm does not list the
*INRAD* 500 Hz (or 1500 Hz) filter(s).  Those filters are only
available directly from INRAD (http://www.inrad.net/home.php?cat=140)
- items 727 and 728.

73,

   ... Joe, W4TV


On 2015-07-26 3:06 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote:
There are accurate filter bandwidth plots on our website for each 
filter.


Wayne
N6KR


On Jul 26, 2015, at 12:01 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV li...@subich.com 
wrote:




Looking through the other rigs that use Inrad 8 pole filters in the
8 - 9 MHz range, those filters for which curves are shown have 6 dB
bandwidths in the 580 - 595 Hz range.

73,

   ... Joe, W4TV


On 2015-07-26 1:21 PM, Dick via Elecraft wrote:
Would anyone know the actual bandwidth of the Inrad Model 728  
500hz 8-pole
filter?  Such as, the 250hz 8-pole has an  actual bandwidth of 
370hz, and
the 400hz 8-pole filter has an actual  bandwidth of 450hz. (no 
graph is

shown for the Model 728 like it is  for the others)

Thanks  73,

Dick- K9OM

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Re: [Elecraft] K2 rework eliminators - mic board

2015-07-26 Thread Sverre Holm (LA3ZA)
It is also quite easy to make a reconfigurable microphone header yourself for
the K2. Go to
http://la3za.blogspot.no/p/la3za-unofficial-guide-to-elecraft-k2_28.html#KSB2
and search for 'microphone header' for ideas.





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Re: [Elecraft] Cwskimmer Bandwidth and more

2015-07-26 Thread Alan
My understanding is that Skimmer allows greater then 24 kHz bandwidth 
only in situations where the receiver is not tuned (fixed local 
oscillator frequency).  In the normal situation where it is monitoring 
the IF output of a receiver, it is limited to 24 kHz.


You can fool Skimmer into thinking it is a fixed-tune receiver, but 
performance is likely to suffer unless the receiver is parked on one 
frequency.


Alan N1AL


On 07/26/2015 04:36 AM, Jim Bolit wrote:

Skimmer info.  This guy got it to work

Rake






.

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From: Doug Ellmore d...@ellmore.net
Date: 07/24/2015  3:42 PM  (GMT-08:00)
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] Cwskimmer Bandwidth and more

Don,

cwskimmer settings allows up to 196khz.

I have seen it decode way more than 48k.

With the subreciever tap you did for me, I have had separate cwskimmer
sessions running on each receiver in the k3. I then am alerted of a needed
station on another band.

I use win4k3 for the main control and panadapter display, and then nap3 for
the second pandapter display.

There are frequency polling issues with the subreciever, but if I get an
alert in skimmer, I can easily find the right frequency and work them.

73

Doug NA1DX
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Re: [Elecraft] DB9 connectors

2015-07-26 Thread Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT
The second letter in the connector name is the size.  B size 
connectors have room for 25 pins.


9 pin connectors are E size.  DE9, not DB9.

Easier to find what you want if you use the right name.

73 -- Lynn

On 7/26/2015 9:29 AM, Raymond METZGER wrote:

Nobody told me that what I'm looking for does exist


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Re: [Elecraft] K2 rework eliminators - mic board

2015-07-26 Thread Don Wilhelm
Unless you have a variety of microphones from various transceiver 
manufacturers *and* like to swap microphones often, I don't see much 
sense in the IMA.  Just wire the K2 microphone jack for the Elecraft 
configuration and re-wire the microphone plugs for that pinout.


OTOH, if you still have transceivers that use those microphones and 
cannot easily re-wire the mic plugs, then the IMA makes sense if you 
want to swap the mics around.
Most hams pick one microphone and use it with the K2, so there is 
normally no need to swap the IMA connections - just wire the normal K2 
microphone configuration for the chosen microphone.


On 7/26/2015 11:23 AM, Gary Marklund wrote:

Floyd,

I just did some snooping around their site and found this under contact
us,  http://www.unpcbs.com/us/#contact.

Hope you find one. I built my K2 with both the unpcbs Rework Eliminator and
the IMA. Makes life a lot easier.




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Re: [Elecraft] K3: Actual bandwidth of Inrad 500hz 8-pole filter?

2015-07-26 Thread Wayne Burdick
There are accurate filter bandwidth plots on our website for each filter.

Wayne
N6KR


On Jul 26, 2015, at 12:01 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV li...@subich.com wrote:

 
 Looking through the other rigs that use Inrad 8 pole filters in the
 8 - 9 MHz range, those filters for which curves are shown have 6 dB
 bandwidths in the 580 - 595 Hz range.
 
 73,
 
   ... Joe, W4TV
 
 
 On 2015-07-26 1:21 PM, Dick via Elecraft wrote:
 Would anyone know the actual bandwidth of the Inrad Model 728  500hz 8-pole
 filter?  Such as, the 250hz 8-pole has an  actual bandwidth of 370hz, and
 the 400hz 8-pole filter has an actual  bandwidth of 450hz.  (no graph is
 shown for the Model 728 like it is  for the others)
 
 Thanks  73,
 
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[Elecraft] K3: Actual bandwidth of Inrad 500hz 8-pole filter?

2015-07-26 Thread Dick via Elecraft
Would anyone know the actual bandwidth of the Inrad Model 728  500hz 8-pole 
filter?  Such as, the 250hz 8-pole has an  actual bandwidth of 370hz, and 
the 400hz 8-pole filter has an actual  bandwidth of 450hz.  (no graph is 
shown for the Model 728 like it is  for the others) 
 
Thanks  73,
 
Dick- K9OM 
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Re: [Elecraft] K3: Actual bandwidth of Inrad 500hz 8-pole filter?

2015-07-26 Thread Joe Subich, W4TV


Looking through the other rigs that use Inrad 8 pole filters in the
8 - 9 MHz range, those filters for which curves are shown have 6 dB
bandwidths in the 580 - 595 Hz range.

73,

   ... Joe, W4TV


On 2015-07-26 1:21 PM, Dick via Elecraft wrote:

Would anyone know the actual bandwidth of the Inrad Model 728  500hz 8-pole
filter?  Such as, the 250hz 8-pole has an  actual bandwidth of 370hz, and
the 400hz 8-pole filter has an actual  bandwidth of 450hz.  (no graph is
shown for the Model 728 like it is  for the others)

Thanks  73,

Dick- K9OM
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Re: [Elecraft] K3: Actual bandwidth of Inrad 500hz 8-pole filter?

2015-07-26 Thread Joe Subich, W4TV


http://www.elecraft.com/K3/K3_filter_plots.htm does not list the
*INRAD* 500 Hz (or 1500 Hz) filter(s).  Those filters are only
available directly from INRAD (http://www.inrad.net/home.php?cat=140)
- items 727 and 728.

73,

   ... Joe, W4TV


On 2015-07-26 3:06 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote:

There are accurate filter bandwidth plots on our website for each filter.

Wayne
N6KR


On Jul 26, 2015, at 12:01 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV li...@subich.com wrote:



Looking through the other rigs that use Inrad 8 pole filters in the
8 - 9 MHz range, those filters for which curves are shown have 6 dB
bandwidths in the 580 - 595 Hz range.

73,

   ... Joe, W4TV


On 2015-07-26 1:21 PM, Dick via Elecraft wrote:

Would anyone know the actual bandwidth of the Inrad Model 728  500hz 8-pole
filter?  Such as, the 250hz 8-pole has an  actual bandwidth of 370hz, and
the 400hz 8-pole filter has an actual  bandwidth of 450hz.  (no graph is
shown for the Model 728 like it is  for the others)

Thanks  73,

Dick- K9OM
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[Elecraft] K3: 630m amplifiers

2015-07-26 Thread Edward R Cole
With the recent expansion of use to 630m for the K3s and upgraded K3 
which only transmit at nom 1mw, a question arises:


Is there interest in a linear amplifier taking 1mw drive to produce 
either 25w or 100w?


I pick those two power outputs because with typically inefficient 
antennas on 630m 25w = 1w ERP and 100w = 5w ERP (approx).  These 
two ERP are mentioned in the WARC-12 band approval and FCC as 
possible max allowed power levels.  Currently the ARRL Experimental 
Group is approved at 20w ERP but there are not many stations running 
that in the group.  I run 100w with 0.1mw drive from my K3 for approx 
3w ERP.  1mw is typical output for mixers so the amp would be usable 
by low-power transverters, as well.


I am wondering what kind of interest there would be for a linear amp 
that could be driven by the K3s/K3?  I would probably have an 
optional Rx preamp in such a package.  No idea of cost at this 
juncture as its just in maybe status.  Wayne has stated to me that 
Elecraft is not intending to build such due to the limited market.


73, Ed - KL7UW
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[Elecraft] K3 KX3 Memory Editing Utility (revisited yet again)

2015-07-26 Thread Phil Hystad
I have followed previous discussions on the memory editor issues (no support 
for Mac, etc.) but I missed the answer to the big, big question.

The big question is:  why is it that the existing Elecraft supported K3 and KX3 
utilities do not include a memory editing page built in and supported as a 
mainline feature.

Seems to be a no-brainer to me.  I would expect Eric or Wayne to say “Yah, we 
need that in our utility programs, let’s do it”.

73, phil, K7PEH

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Re: [Elecraft] K3: 630m amplifiers

2015-07-26 Thread Alan

On 07/26/2015 05:32 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:


Soundcard sourced digital modes are really SSB signals and need a linear
amplifier.


The one exception might be FSK.  It is constant-amplitude so a class C 
amplifier should be fine.


FSK modes include RTTY and I believe WSPR and WSJT.

Alan N1AL
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Re: [Elecraft] K3: 630m amplifiers

2015-07-26 Thread dave


Do we run into the FCC external amplifier 15 dB gain limit here?

73 de dave
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On 7/26/15 7:51 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:


Don,

WSPR, JT65 and JT9 are (1 of N tone) FSK modes.  They are no
different than conventional AFSK (1 of 2) in that the tones
are continuous phase, constant amplitude and can be amplified
by a class C amplifier without generating undue IMD or clicks.

I haven't seen the details of WSQ yet - if it is a multiple
simultaneous tone mode it would require a linear amplifier -
but the other listed sound card modes are fine with an
amplifier that operates in class C (or even a switch mode
amplifier so long as the bandpass filter is sufficient).

73,

... Joe, W4TV


On 2015-07-26 8:32 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:

Tom,

Soundcard sourced digital modes are really SSB signals and need a
linear
amplifier.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 7/26/2015 8:25 PM, Tom Azlin W7SUA wrote:

Hi Ed.

I am more interested in a non-linear class C or higher amp for those
bands as was not thinking to run modes that need a linear amp. WSPR, a
WSJT mode, WSQ, and the like.

73, tom w7sua
Chino Valley AZ

On 7/26/2015 1:23 PM, Edward R Cole wrote:

With the recent expansion of use to 630m for the K3s and upgraded K3
which only transmit at nom 1mw, a question arises:

Is there interest in a linear amplifier taking 1mw drive to produce
either 25w or 100w?


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Re: [Elecraft] K3: 630m amplifiers

2015-07-26 Thread Tom Azlin W7SUA

Hi Don and Alan,

I was thinking one of the slow multi tone FSK modes that are a single 
tone at a time. WSQ is in the same class.


http://www.qsl.net/zl1bpu/SOFT/WSQ.htm

CW would be another mode that would not need a linear amp I think.

On the other hand PSK31 would require a linear amp.

73, tom w7sua

On 7/26/2015 5:43 PM, Alan wrote:

On 07/26/2015 05:32 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:


Soundcard sourced digital modes are really SSB signals and need a linear
amplifier.


The one exception might be FSK.  It is constant-amplitude so a class C
amplifier should be fine.

FSK modes include RTTY and I believe WSPR and WSJT.

Alan N1AL
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Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft] K3: 630m amplifiers

2015-07-26 Thread Fred C. Jensen
Umm ... JT65 is MFSK, 1 freq at a time, no different than FSK, just more than 
2, 1 at a time.  Should be constant envelope, my JT65 sure is on the scope as 
is my RTTY signal.  There may be some 2nd order effects, but Class C should 
basically work.

73,

Fred K6DGW
Sparks, NV

Don Wilhelm w3...@embarqmail.com wrote:
Tom,

Soundcard sourced digital modes are really SSB signals and need a linear 
amplifier.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 7/26/2015 8:25 PM, Tom Azlin W7SUA wrote:
 Hi Ed.

 I am more interested in a non-linear class C or higher amp for those 
 bands as was not thinking to run modes that need a linear amp. WSPR, a 
 WSJT mode, WSQ, and the like.

 73, tom w7sua
 Chino Valley AZ

 On 7/26/2015 1:23 PM, Edward R Cole wrote:
 With the recent expansion of use to 630m for the K3s and upgraded K3
 which only transmit at nom 1mw, a question arises:

 Is there interest in a linear amplifier taking 1mw drive to produce
 either 25w or 100w?

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Re: [Elecraft] K3: 630m amplifiers

2015-07-26 Thread Alan


 CW would be another mode that would not need a linear amp I think.

No, CW requires a linear amplifier.  CW is not constant-amplitude - the 
amplitude changes every time you open or close the key.  A class-C 
amplifier would mess up the key shaping, causing key clicks.


Any true FSK or MSK signal should not be bothered by a non-linear 
amplifier.  The only caveat I can think of is that the amplitude of an 
AFSK signal may have some ripple on it to the extent that the passband 
of the transmit crystal filter is not flat.  But I doubt that's a 
significant issue.


Alan N1AL



On 07/26/2015 06:57 PM, Tom Azlin W7SUA wrote:

Hi Don and Alan,

I was thinking one of the slow multi tone FSK modes that are a single
tone at a time. WSQ is in the same class.

http://www.qsl.net/zl1bpu/SOFT/WSQ.htm

CW would be another mode that would not need a linear amp I think.

On the other hand PSK31 would require a linear amp.

73, tom w7sua

On 7/26/2015 5:43 PM, Alan wrote:

On 07/26/2015 05:32 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:


Soundcard sourced digital modes are really SSB signals and need a linear
amplifier.


The one exception might be FSK.  It is constant-amplitude so a class C
amplifier should be fine.

FSK modes include RTTY and I believe WSPR and WSJT.

Alan N1AL
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 KX3 Memory Editing Utility (revisited yet again)

2015-07-26 Thread David Cole
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On Sun, 2015-07-26 at 15:58 -0700, Phil Hystad wrote:
 I have followed previous discussions on the memory editor issues (no support 
 for Mac, etc.) but I missed the answer to the big, big question.
 
 The big question is:  why is it that the existing Elecraft supported K3 and 
 KX3 utilities do not include a memory editing page built in and supported as 
 a mainline feature.
 
 Seems to be a no-brainer to me.  I would expect Eric or Wayne to say “Yah, we 
 need that in our utility programs, let’s do it”.
 
 73, phil, K7PEH
 
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Re: [Elecraft] 200 Hz 5-pole filter

2015-07-26 Thread Jim Brown

On Sun,7/26/2015 5:33 PM, Bill Breeden wrote:
The point I am trying to make is that a K3 with a 2.7 KHz filter and 
the DSP cranked down to 400 Hz will not perform as well for CW during 
crowded band conditions as a K3 with a 400 Hz filter. 


Hi Bill,

That point is not lost on anyone, and is the reason that serious 
contesters use narrow roofing filters. I said exactly that in my earlier 
response.  But the point that you are missing is that the K3, K3S, and 
KX3 are complete radios with the stock 2.7 kHz 5-pole or 2.8 kHz 8-pole 
roofing filters, and are comparable to the receivers we have used for as 
long as I have been a ham (60 years).


What's different are 1) the some of the hardware with which those older 
radios and the K3/K3S/KX3 are built. Our older receivers used physical 
coils and capacitors in the IF, while these newer ones simulate those Ls 
and Cs in DSP; 2) the system architecture that Wayne developed (for 
example, his choice of IF frequencies, his methods of reducing phase 
noise, keying transients, etc.; and 3) they're a lot better radios that 
most of those older ones.


A ham who doesn't participate in major contests is unlikely to need 
anything more than the 2.7 or 2.8 kHz roofing filter.


73, Jim K9YC


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Re: [Elecraft] K3: 630m amplifiers

2015-07-26 Thread Jim Brown

Hi Tom,

It's convenient to think that, but it's wrong.  The problem is that 
neither of those signals are continuous -- both are changed to convey 
information. Mother nature recognizes a keyed CW waveform as a square 
wave modulating a carrier. Any waveform more complicated than a 
continuous carrier has multiple components, and in the case of a square 
wave or impulse, an infinite number of them. If that waveform is passed 
through a non-linear amplifier, distortion will be produced. There will 
be both harmonic and intermodulation distortion.


Take a look at slides 13 and 15 in http://k9yc.com/FTDX5000_Report.pdf. 
Slide 13 is a continuous carrier. The sidebands at -48dBC are probably 
hum. Now look at Slide 15, which is the same radio transmitting a series 
of dits.


I haven't measured an un-keyed K3 yet, but I suspect it's cleaner, 
especially with the new synth board. I may get to that this week.


Several years ago, some of the serious engineers running RTTY noticed 
that the K3 running FSK wasn't as clean as when running AFSK. Wayne and 
the crew did some serious work on the firmware and it's now better.


73, Jim K9YC

On Sun,7/26/2015 6:57 PM, Tom Azlin W7SUA wrote:
I was thinking one of the slow multi tone FSK modes that are a single 
tone at a time. WSQ is in the same class.


http://www.qsl.net/zl1bpu/SOFT/WSQ.htm

CW would be another mode that would not need a linear amp I think. 


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Re: [Elecraft] 200 Hz 5-pole filter

2015-07-26 Thread Bill Breeden


Jim,

I disagree.  The selected roofing filter is the first IF filter in a K3.

You might want to read what Eric and Wayne have to say on the subject at 
the following link:


http://www.elecraft.com/K3/Roofing_Filters.htm

73,

Bill - NA5DX


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On Sun,7/26/2015 2:02 PM, Bill Breeden wrote:

/Since Sherwood's Dynamic Range Narrow Spaced measurement is of great //interest to 
CW operators, it only makes sense to make the measurement //using a CW filter, 
optional or not. The measurement would be //meaningless to CW operators if made 
using the stock sideband filter. /

Not really -- the K3, K3S, and KX3 IF filters are implemented in DSP.
The plug-in filters are additional roofing filters that protect the DSP
from overload by strong signals outside of their passband. The K3, K3S,
and KX3 have very good CW receivers without the optional roofing
filters. The roofing filters simply allow them to work very close to
very strong signals, AND cascade with the DSP filter to provide
additional rejection outside the passband.

73, Jim K9YC


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Re: [Elecraft] K3 KX3 Memory Editing Utility (revisited yet again)

2015-07-26 Thread Nr4c
I'd like to see a feature to save User settings to a file. Only those config 
items that define the user preferences, not calibration stuff. This would allow 
an owner of several K3 radios to set them up alike. 

Also two TX EQ settings; one for front and one for rear. 

Sent from my iPhone
...nr4c. bill


 On Jul 26, 2015, at 6:58 PM, Phil Hystad phys...@mac.com wrote:
 
 I have followed previous discussions on the memory editor issues (no support 
 for Mac, etc.) but I missed the answer to the big, big question.
 
 The big question is:  why is it that the existing Elecraft supported K3 and 
 KX3 utilities do not include a memory editing page built in and supported as 
 a mainline feature.
 
 Seems to be a no-brainer to me.  I would expect Eric or Wayne to say “Yah, we 
 need that in our utility programs, let’s do it”.
 
 73, phil, K7PEH
 
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Re: [Elecraft] K3: 630m amplifiers

2015-07-26 Thread Don Wilhelm

Tom,

Soundcard sourced digital modes are really SSB signals and need a linear 
amplifier.


73,
Don W3FPR

On 7/26/2015 8:25 PM, Tom Azlin W7SUA wrote:

Hi Ed.

I am more interested in a non-linear class C or higher amp for those 
bands as was not thinking to run modes that need a linear amp. WSPR, a 
WSJT mode, WSQ, and the like.


73, tom w7sua
Chino Valley AZ

On 7/26/2015 1:23 PM, Edward R Cole wrote:

With the recent expansion of use to 630m for the K3s and upgraded K3
which only transmit at nom 1mw, a question arises:

Is there interest in a linear amplifier taking 1mw drive to produce
either 25w or 100w?


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Re: [Elecraft] 200 Hz 5-pole filter

2015-07-26 Thread Bill Breeden


Wes,

Rob Sherwood's presentation at the following link answers the why 
question a lot better than I can:


http://www.sherweng.com/RochesterMN2009/NC0B-W0DXCC-4dRochester_MN.pdf

At the following link, Eric explains why selecting a narrow filter for 
CW operation in a K3 offers superior performance over selecting a wide 
(sideband) filter and adjusting the DSP to a narrow bandwidth:


http://www.elecraft.com/K3/Roofing_Filters.htm

The point I am trying to make is that a K3 with a 2.7 KHz filter and the 
DSP cranked down to 400 Hz will not perform as well for CW during 
crowded band conditions as a K3 with a 400 Hz filter.


73,

Bill - NA5DX



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Why?

On 7/26/2015 2:02 PM, Bill Breeden wrote:
///Since Sherwood's Dynamic Range Narrow Spaced measurement is of great 
interest //to CW operators, it only makes sense to make the measurement using a CW //filter, optional or not. The measurement would be meaningless to CW 
operators //if made using the stock sideband filter. 73, Bill - NA5DX /




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Re: [Elecraft] 200 Hz 5-pole filter

2015-07-26 Thread Chortek Bob via Elecraft
Agreed (but not meaningless)!  
The additional narrow cw filters clearly provide a BIG improvement over the 
wider SSB Filters(e.g., the 400 HZ filter shows a 16 db improvement in 3IMDDR 
and 35 db improvement in BDR over the stock 2700 Hz SSB Filters).  Meaning it 
is very helpful to cw operators to know how the radio performs with the more 
narrow cw filters.  The ARRL Table in the K3 2009 review shows the figures.  
Can't tell how the rig would have tested if the DSP was narrowed to, say, 400 
HZ while using the wider SSB filter
Bob/AA6VB
  From: Bill Breeden breede...@cableone.net
 To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net 
 Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2015 2:02 PM
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] 200 Hz 5-pole filter
   

Since Sherwood's Dynamic Range Narrow Spaced measurement is of great 
interest to CW operators, it only makes sense to make the measurement 
using a CW filter, optional or not.  The measurement would be 
meaningless to CW operators if made using the stock sideband filter.

73,

Bill - NA5DX


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 Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2015 11:04:20 -0700 (MST)
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 Apples and oranges.

 The K3 is still no 2 with the 200 Hz 5-pole filter.  You just can no longer
 buy the radio with that filter.

 I have always found it a little strange that Sherwood never stated that
 the filters used in his test were optional on the K3?

 If the K3 was tested with the stock filter it may make it into the top 10.

 Don't get me wrong I have a K3S on order.  I'm just looking at the data

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Re: [Elecraft] 200 Hz 5-pole filter

2015-07-26 Thread Jim Brown

On Sun,7/26/2015 2:02 PM, Bill Breeden wrote:
Since Sherwood's Dynamic Range Narrow Spaced measurement is of great 
interest to CW operators, it only makes sense to make the measurement 
using a CW filter, optional or not.  The measurement would be 
meaningless to CW operators if made using the stock sideband filter.


Not really -- the K3, K3S, and KX3 IF filters are implemented in DSP. 
The plug-in filters are additional roofing filters that protect the DSP 
from overload by strong signals outside of their passband. The K3, K3S, 
and KX3 have very good CW receivers without the optional roofing 
filters. The roofing filters simply allow them to work very close to 
very strong signals, AND cascade with the DSP filter to provide 
additional rejection outside the passband.


73, Jim K9YC


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Re: [Elecraft] K3: 630m amplifiers

2015-07-26 Thread Joe Subich, W4TV


Don,

WSPR, JT65 and JT9 are (1 of N tone) FSK modes.  They are no
different than conventional AFSK (1 of 2) in that the tones
are continuous phase, constant amplitude and can be amplified
by a class C amplifier without generating undue IMD or clicks.

I haven't seen the details of WSQ yet - if it is a multiple
simultaneous tone mode it would require a linear amplifier -
but the other listed sound card modes are fine with an
amplifier that operates in class C (or even a switch mode
amplifier so long as the bandpass filter is sufficient).

73,

   ... Joe, W4TV


On 2015-07-26 8:32 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:

Tom,

Soundcard sourced digital modes are really SSB signals and need a linear
amplifier.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 7/26/2015 8:25 PM, Tom Azlin W7SUA wrote:

Hi Ed.

I am more interested in a non-linear class C or higher amp for those
bands as was not thinking to run modes that need a linear amp. WSPR, a
WSJT mode, WSQ, and the like.

73, tom w7sua
Chino Valley AZ

On 7/26/2015 1:23 PM, Edward R Cole wrote:

With the recent expansion of use to 630m for the K3s and upgraded K3
which only transmit at nom 1mw, a question arises:

Is there interest in a linear amplifier taking 1mw drive to produce
either 25w or 100w?


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Re: [Elecraft] K3: 630m amplifiers

2015-07-26 Thread Tom Azlin W7SUA

Not if you build your own is my understanding!

73, tom w7sua

On 7/26/2015 5:56 PM, dave wrote:


Do we run into the FCC external amplifier 15 dB gain limit here?

73 de dave
ab9ca/4



On 7/26/15 7:51 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:


Don,

WSPR, JT65 and JT9 are (1 of N tone) FSK modes.  They are no
different than conventional AFSK (1 of 2) in that the tones
are continuous phase, constant amplitude and can be amplified
by a class C amplifier without generating undue IMD or clicks.

I haven't seen the details of WSQ yet - if it is a multiple
simultaneous tone mode it would require a linear amplifier -
but the other listed sound card modes are fine with an
amplifier that operates in class C (or even a switch mode
amplifier so long as the bandpass filter is sufficient).

73,

... Joe, W4TV


On 2015-07-26 8:32 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:

Tom,

Soundcard sourced digital modes are really SSB signals and need a
linear
amplifier.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 7/26/2015 8:25 PM, Tom Azlin W7SUA wrote:

Hi Ed.

I am more interested in a non-linear class C or higher amp for those
bands as was not thinking to run modes that need a linear amp. WSPR, a
WSJT mode, WSQ, and the like.

73, tom w7sua
Chino Valley AZ

On 7/26/2015 1:23 PM, Edward R Cole wrote:

With the recent expansion of use to 630m for the K3s and upgraded K3
which only transmit at nom 1mw, a question arises:

Is there interest in a linear amplifier taking 1mw drive to produce
either 25w or 100w?


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Re: [Elecraft] K3 KX3 Memory Editing Utility (revisited yet again)

2015-07-26 Thread Phil Hystad

 On Jul 26, 2015, at 4:09 PM, David Cole d...@nk7z.net wrote:
 
 My guess would be that a different program author wrote it...  :)
 — 


Yes, a different program author wrote it but that does not stop Elecraft from
adding it to their utility programs which I think they should do.

73, phil, K7PEH

 On Sun, 2015-07-26 at 15:58 -0700, Phil Hystad wrote:
 I have followed previous discussions on the memory editor issues (no support 
 for Mac, etc.) but I missed the answer to the big, big question.
 
 The big question is:  why is it that the existing Elecraft supported K3 and 
 KX3 utilities do not include a memory editing page built in and supported as 
 a mainline feature.
 
 Seems to be a no-brainer to me.  I would expect Eric or Wayne to say “Yah, 
 we need that in our utility programs, let’s do it”.
 
 73, phil, K7PEH
 
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 KX3 Memory Editing Utility (revisited yet again)

2015-07-26 Thread Matt Zilmer
Combining the utility and memory editor is a good suggestion, but
Elecraft's owners would have to decide that it's worth the effort and
development cost.  Since both functions are already available, it's
probably not a priority.  Just a guess on my part.

73,
matt
W6NIA

On Sun, 26 Jul 2015 16:27:34 -0700, you wrote:


 My guess would be that a different program author wrote it...  :)
 — 

Yes, a different program author wrote it but that does not stop Elecraft from
adding it to their utility programs which I think they should do.

73, phil, K7PEH

 On Sun, 2015-07-26 at 15:58 -0700, Phil Hystad wrote:
 I have followed previous discussions on the memory editor issues (no 
 support for Mac, etc.) but I missed the answer to the big, big question.
 The big question is:  why is it that the existing Elecraft supported K3 and 
 KX3 utilities do not include a memory editing page built in and supported 
 as a mainline feature.
Matt Zilmer, W6NIA
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Re: [Elecraft] 200 Hz 5-pole filter

2015-07-26 Thread Wes (N7WS)

Why?

On 7/26/2015 2:02 PM, Bill Breeden wrote:


Since Sherwood's Dynamic Range Narrow Spaced measurement is of great interest 
to CW operators, it only makes sense to make the measurement using a CW 
filter, optional or not.  The measurement would be meaningless to CW operators 
if made using the stock sideband filter.


73,

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Re: [Elecraft] K3: 630m amplifiers

2015-07-26 Thread Tom Azlin W7SUA

Hi Ed.

I am more interested in a non-linear class C or higher amp for those 
bands as was not thinking to run modes that need a linear amp. WSPR, a 
WSJT mode, WSQ, and the like.


73, tom w7sua
Chino Valley AZ

On 7/26/2015 1:23 PM, Edward R Cole wrote:

With the recent expansion of use to 630m for the K3s and upgraded K3
which only transmit at nom 1mw, a question arises:

Is there interest in a linear amplifier taking 1mw drive to produce
either 25w or 100w?

I pick those two power outputs because with typically inefficient
antennas on 630m 25w = 1w ERP and 100w = 5w ERP (approx).  These two
ERP are mentioned in the WARC-12 band approval and FCC as possible max
allowed power levels.  Currently the ARRL Experimental Group is approved
at 20w ERP but there are not many stations running that in the group.  I
run 100w with 0.1mw drive from my K3 for approx 3w ERP.  1mw is typical
output for mixers so the amp would be usable by low-power transverters,
as well.

I am wondering what kind of interest there would be for a linear amp
that could be driven by the K3s/K3?  I would probably have an optional
Rx preamp in such a package.  No idea of cost at this juncture as its
just in maybe status.  Wayne has stated to me that Elecraft is not
intending to build such due to the limited market.

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