Re: [Elecraft] KPA1500 and FT8

[Christopher Hoover]

Wow.  That's crazy power for FT8.  I'm glad I'm not in Ohio.


On Sat, Mar 3, 2018 at 6:40 AM, Carl Yaffey  wrote:

> Tried full power on 20M FT8 this morning in order to work weak Russian.
> Temp gets as high as 75C. Loud fan kicks in. Hope this is normal.
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Re: [Elecraft] FT 8

[Bill Frantz]

I guess I'm just impure in my ham radio operation. Today I 
helped the local ARES/RACES group test communications between a 
possible repeater site and various places in town operating my 
HT between .1 and 5 watts. Then I went home an fought through a 
pileup for XR0YD on 40M CW using 850 watts using only the K3's 
memories. Then I got on FT8 at 100W to try to contact a friend 
who was in Honduras, but no joy.


When I was lucky enough to contact VE2XK on 6M FT8 New Years 
Eve, I used the K3, 100W and my 160M dipole. He came in at -07 
dB and received me at -15 dB, FN06 to CM97. Machine generated 
signal reports take a lot of the guess work out of how well 
you're getting out.


I found FT8 to be ideal for when I was recovering from cancer 
therapy. I had no energy and the automatic operation let me be 
on the air and have some fun. I'm glad my health is back to a 
state where I have the energy to work a contest.


When my wife and I bought a new Subaru Forester, our principle 
requirement was a manual transmission. Our 1993 Miata has 300K+ 
miles and a manual transmission.


Tomorrow, I plan to get out the straight key and try not 
embarrass myself too much when I try to check into the CW net. 
With luck, my schedule and the contest will let me try to check 
into the SSB net. I don't know how much power I'll run for those checkins.


I think my weakest signal situation was when I was activation 
Kings County for the California QSO party. I had my 10W K3 
operating into a Little Tarheel screwdriver antenna on my car 
operating out of a model parking lot. I made a few 80M SSB QSOs, 
but every one of the operators I managed to complete a contact 
with said something like, "You're way down in the noise, but 
we'll make it work." Many thanks to them.


Ham radio is a wonderful hobby, and there are many ways to enjoy it.

73 Bill AE6JV

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[Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Announcement

[kevinr]

Good Evening,

   I actually saw sun today.  It has been a while.  The snow has been 
coming down every day for the last two weeks so a break was nice.  The 
days are also lasting longer and with that propagation has been getting 
better.  With all the cold days it feels good to get warm.  Cold fingers 
don't type very well nor do they work paddles with accuracy no matter 
the speed.  Often it is easier to run faster because when I slow down my 
fingers get stuck.  Maybe new hands would be the answer.  Fingers that 
haven't been broken time and time again would really help :)


Please join us tomorrow on:

14050 kHz at 2300z Sunday (3 PM PST Sunday)
  7045 kHz at 0100z Monday (5 PM PST Sunday)

73,
Kevin. KD5ONS

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Re: [Elecraft] FT 8

[Neil Zampella]

Well I'll comment on it.

1.  its from 2009 ... and refers to the old WSJT v6
2.  Its obvious he has not looked at the code for the JT65 decoder

Now the system can use the saved data from previous QSOs, but there are 
so many new users that the only thing its good for is to show whether or 
not you can classify a call as new or is a previous contact.


You can say what you want about the FT8, but it has made many operators 
who live in marginal locations, with compromised antenna able to use 
their license once more.


Neil, KN3ILZ


On 3/3/2018 9:11 PM, Wes Stewart wrote:

Offered without comment:

http://www.sm2cew.com/jt65.html


On 3/3/2018 6:18 PM, Jim Brown wrote:

On 3/3/2018 4:43 PM, Wes Stewart wrote:
I won't count any QSO that requires the software to have prior 
knowledge of the two station calls or could not be copied by an 
uninterested third party.


Misconception alert: WSJT modes do NOT require prior knowledge of any 
part of the message sent or received. For some modes, WSJT CAN be set 
to consult a database for what they call a "deep search" function 
that can reach a dB or two deeper into the noise. I don't know 
details, but it's my impression that it's used on EME (moonbounce) 
and for weak signal VHF work. 





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Re: [Elecraft] FT 8

[W0MU Mike Fatchett]

If you like it use it!  If  not move on.  Like packet it is out of the 
bag.  It is not going back in.


FT8 has allowed many people with less than ideal situations to work dx 
they never had a chance to work before.  This is a good thing no?  
People should want to operate and make contacts.


I didn't realize that people using a couple of Kc of bandspace was a 
problem.  At least 100 people can operate in less space than an SSTV 
signal or SSB signal.


I  operated CW in the past, but really loved SSB, today it is the other 
way around and I also enjoy FT8 as I can operate and work at the same time.


Things change, life keep on.  Much to do about nothing.

W0MU


On 3/3/2018 6:11 PM, rich hurd WC3T wrote:

At the risk of arousing the ire of those who have gone before me, I humbly
submit that we have beat the FT8 horse to death - many times over.

Nobody's going to be happy about the ultimate answer and it might be best
to just let nature take its course, no matter what it is.

On Sat, Mar 3, 2018 at 7:49 PM, Ken G Kopp  wrote:


Hi Wes!

"Operator skill" ...

Surely you jest ...

73!

K0PP

On Sat, Mar 3, 2018, 17:44 Wes Stewart  wrote:


Quoting myself in part from an email to my DX club reflector re: FT8

"I think I will set a personal standard, at least for awards purposes,
that 1) I
will be at the controls of the station. 2) I won't count any QSO that
couldn't
have been copied on CW. 3)  I won't count any QSO that requires the
software to
have prior knowledge of the two station calls or could not be copied by

an

uninterested third party.

I'm sure there will be critics who declare that I'm an old fogy who is
longing
for the return of spark.  Nothing could be further from the truth.  I

have

worked on the cutting edge of new technologies for years.  But, I also
believe
that there should be some value added by way of operator skill."

Since that time I'm adding 4) If JTAlert pops up with a text message from
my QSO
partner wherein he tells me what he's copied and what I should send next,
I will
not complete the QSO.

Wes  N7WS



On 3/3/2018 4:57 PM, William Levy wrote:

As an old dog I am sorry to see that FT8 has become all the rage.
I grew up with a few vacuum tubes and a dipole. AM carrier controlled,

5

tube receivers. Loved CW when I had very little. Love SSB with big

antennas

and towers.

FT8 changes the game. No more rag chews. So this is what DX has become.

No

big power, no big antennas. Someone will write an app that will tell

the

radio to keep calling cq and log contacts. V.2 of the App will record

new

prefixes and club log it.

I may feel critical as I write this but the future is not mine and all

is

fair in love and war.

Sincerely, Bill N2WL

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Re: [Elecraft] KPA1500 and FT8

[W0MU Mike Fatchett]

Weak Signal work on 160m is very different than a band that is wide 
open.  The key here is clean signals not being over driven. The amount 
of power being used is not the issue it is how poorly a transmitted 
signal is.


The vast majority do not understand this concept and think FT8 is a QRP 
mode.  It is not.  Just because the masses thing one way does make it 
the way it is.  As long as my signal is clean is should not matter how 
much power I am running.  when the band is wide open to an area you see 
lots of wide signals, mostly because we have our receivers opened op 
wide so there is very little filtering going on so front ends start to 
get overworked.


Power is only one factor.  Lets talk about antenna gain as well.

Bill was correct  FT8 is a weak signal mode.  It was never created as a 
low power mode that I have read.


W0MU

On 3/3/2018 9:35 PM, Carl J. Denbow wrote:
Using 1500 watts on a digital mode (except for RTTY) is unwarranted a 
bad practice.  I've been using the new digital modes since PSK31 
started.  I was on the bleeding edge of working with PSK in its 
earliest days.  This is the first time I've heard anyone try to 
justify using that kind of wattage on a weak signal mode.  The vast 
majority of those who use the JT modes (including FT8) consider QRO to 
be 100 watts.  As I said what you are doing is legal, but it does fly 
in the face of the general consensus among users of these modes.  If a 
poll was taken of users of these modes, I'm quite certain your 
position would be a distinct minority.  73 de Carl N8VZ



Nr4c 
March 3, 2018 at 10:54 PM
Weak signal is not the same as low power !

Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [Elecraft] KPA1500 and FT8

[Carl J. Denbow]

Using 1500 watts on a digital mode (except for RTTY) is unwarranted a 
bad practice.  I've been using the new digital modes since PSK31 
started.  I was on the bleeding edge of working with PSK in its earliest 
days.  This is the first time I've heard anyone try to justify using 
that kind of wattage on a weak signal mode.  The vast majority of those 
who use the JT modes (including FT8) consider QRO to be 100 watts.  As I 
said what you are doing is legal, but it does fly in the face of the 
general consensus among users of these modes.  If a poll was taken of 
users of these modes, I'm quite certain your position would be a 
distinct minority.  73 de Carl N8VZ



Nr4c 
March 3, 2018 at 10:54 PM
Weak signal is not the same as low power !

Sent from my iPhone
...nr4c. bill





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Re: [Elecraft] KPA1500 and FT8

[Nr4c]

Weak signal is not the same as low power !

Sent from my iPhone
...nr4c. bill


> On Mar 3, 2018, at 5:10 PM, Carl Jón Denbow  wrote:
> 
> That's certainly not in the spirit of weak-signal digital modes.  Most of us 
> run anywhere from 1 watt to 35 watts.   Those are the type of signals that 
> completely wipe out a large segment of the waterfall and make it difficult 
> for others to complete QSOs.  There's nothing illegal about what you are 
> doing, but weak signal modes were developed to provide the opportunity to get 
> around the world with just a few watts and a dipole slung in the backyard 
> between two trees.   If you want to run that kind of wattage on FT8, I'd 
> recommend trying RTTY instead.  High wattage is the norm on that mode.
> 
> 73,
> 
> Carl
> 
> Glenn Anderson wrote:
>> I normally run 500 to 600 watts on ft8. I would go higher if my amp could do 
>> it.
>> Life too short for QRP
>> 
>> Glenn WB5TUF
>> 
>>  Original message 
>> From: Carl Jón Denbow 
>> Date: 3/3/18 14:01 (GMT-06:00)
>> To: Dennis Moore 
>> Cc: Elecraft Reflector 
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA1500 and FT8
>> 
>> I feel all kinds of guilty if I pump it up to 110 watts on FT8 (or a JT 
>> mode) to bag a difficult station.  A gallon and a half is down right sinful. 
>> ;-)
>> 
>> 73,
>> 
>> Carl
>> N8VZ
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>> > On Mar 3, 2018, at 2:50 PM, Dennis Moore  wrote:
>> >
>> > No, 1500 watts on FT8 is not normal.
>> >
>> > 73, Dennis NJ6G
>> >
>> >
>> >> On 3/3/2018 06:40, Carl Yaffey wrote:
>> >> Tried full power on 20M FT8 this morning in order to work weak Russian. 
>> >> Temp gets as high as 75C. Loud fan kicks in. Hope this is normal.
>> >>
>> >> Carl Yaffey  K8NU
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Re: [Elecraft] KPA1500 and FT8

[Michael Eberle]

Carl,

Not sure about the KPA1500 but I believe the limit on the KPA500 is 
90C.  It is normal for the fan to come on and speed up automatically at 
particular temperatures. I set up some of the macro buttons in the 
KPA500 utility for various fan speeds.  If I run a high duty cycle 
digital mode, I will kick the fan up on the highest setting before 
operating.  Don't think I have had it up to 75C, but it will usually run 
in the 60s if making lots of back to back QSOs.


73,

Mike - KI0HA


On 3/3/2018 08:40, Carl Yaffey wrote:

Tried full power on 20M FT8 this morning in order to work weak Russian. Temp 
gets as high as 75C. Loud fan kicks in. Hope this is normal.

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Recording studio.
cyaffeyno_s...@gmail.com
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Re: [Elecraft] FT 8

[Dave Cole (NK7Z)]

That is a cute name for the Prius, the QRP Mobile...

73s and thanks,
Dave
NK7Z
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On 03/03/2018 05:37 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote:




...and still you bought a Prius.  :)


... and I get 60 MPG. I think of it as a QRPmobile (one that sips rather than 
guzzles fuel), thus rendering it not OT.

Wayne





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Re: [Elecraft] FT 8

[John Harper]

I think FT8 and, more significantly, FT8's future iterations will add to
ham radio in ways that aren't being considered.

For example, adding an extra layer to the computer time sync requirement of
future modes (and with those computers being on the 'net) could allow DFing
of each station worked. Or the exact propagation path could be made known
via the time delay in working stations at known locations - was it direct
path, LP, gray line or something else? Imagine that info being plotted on a
map in almost-real-time by a future version of WSJT. Opens up a lot of
possibilities in learning propagation while "our computers work each other".

For those who are inherently against this mode and the automation behind
it, I don my flamesuit and say that we are hams, not CBers. It doesn't have
to be about human QSO's and human contacts - we can also engage in modes
that allow the vagaries of propagation and other aspects of radio to be
investigated in ways that aren't possible with current modes of
communication.

John AE5X
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[Elecraft] KPA1500 and FT8

[Gmail]

I recommend reading the manual, looking at the Facebook page etc and looking at 
what Joe Taylor and the other developers say about using the waterfall to 
determine signal strength and signal quality.
Hint, waterfall  signal look overpowered, wide, etc?  Turn down receiver RF 
gain.
Ray
W8LYJ

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> On Mar 3, 2018, at 18:08, elecraft-requ...@mailman.qth.net wrote:
> 
> KPA1500 and FT8
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Re: [Elecraft] FT 8

[Roger Stein]

Having a ball using my J-38 racking nice chatty QSO’s on 40 and 80 CW in the 
Novice Rig Roundup, Google it and come join the fun, all week long!!
73, Roger K7SJ/VE1 Nova Scotia

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 3, 2018, at 10:15 PM, Wes Stewart  wrote:
> 
> Well, he does live on the left coast in N. CA. ;-)
> 
> Contrast that to one of his engineers who lives in Tucson. He drives a Tesla.
> 
> Personally, I use all of my electrons powering my Elecraft gear and still 
> burn petrol* in my automobile.
> 
> Wes  N7WS
> 
> * I drive an Australian-built Pontiac G8-GT.
> 
>> On 3/3/2018 6:14 PM, Dave Cole (NK7Z) wrote:
>> On 03/03/2018 05:09 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote:
>> 
>> > Still, I wouldn’t want the self-driving model.
>> >
>> > Wayne
>> 
>> ...and still you bought a Prius.  :)
>> 
>> 
>> 73s and thanks,
>> Dave
>> NK7Z
>> https://www.nk7z.net
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Re: [Elecraft] FT 8

[Wes Stewart]

Well, he does live on the left coast in N. CA. ;-)

Contrast that to one of his engineers who lives in Tucson. He drives a Tesla.

Personally, I use all of my electrons powering my Elecraft gear and still burn 
petrol* in my automobile.


Wes  N7WS

* I drive an Australian-built Pontiac G8-GT.

On 3/3/2018 6:14 PM, Dave Cole (NK7Z) wrote:

On 03/03/2018 05:09 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote:

> Still, I wouldn’t want the self-driving model.
>
> Wayne

...and still you bought a Prius.  :)


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Re: [Elecraft] FT 8

[Wes Stewart]

Offered without comment:

http://www.sm2cew.com/jt65.html


On 3/3/2018 6:18 PM, Jim Brown wrote:

On 3/3/2018 4:43 PM, Wes Stewart wrote:
I won't count any QSO that requires the software to have prior knowledge of 
the two station calls or could not be copied by an uninterested third party.


Misconception alert: WSJT modes do NOT require prior knowledge of any part of 
the message sent or received. For some modes, WSJT CAN be set to consult a 
database for what they call a "deep search" function that can reach a dB or 
two deeper into the noise. I don't know details, but it's my impression that 
it's used on EME (moonbounce) and for weak signal VHF work. 


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Re: [Elecraft] FT 8

[Wayne Burdick]

> 
> ...and still you bought a Prius.  :)

... and I get 60 MPG. I think of it as a QRPmobile (one that sips rather than 
guzzles fuel), thus rendering it not OT. 

Wayne


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Re: [Elecraft] Extreme QRPp using the KX2, KX3

[Hajo Dezelski]

Hi Bill,

Please explain yourself ...
If it is in the range of a normal OM, I would follow ...

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> Hi ,
>
> wouldn't it be great if there was an additional sensor for the Wattmeter
> W2 for the Qrp-Guys 1-54 Mhz and 0.01 - 20 Watt?
>
> Who needs a 200 Watt version if you only have the Kx-Line ;-) I really
> would consider buying a qrp-version.
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> Wayne Burdick  schrieb am Sa., 3. März 2018 16:49:
>
> > Power output on the KX2, KX3, K3 and K3S can be set as low as 0.1 W
> > directly using the PWR control.
> >
> > However, you can actually set power output to much lower levels (< 1
> > milliwatt), with fine control, by turning off ALC in the menu and
> > adjusting the drive level manually.
> >
> > Here’s the recommended procedure for accurately setting power to
> > levels below 0.1 watt:
> >
> > 1. Connect an external milliwatt meter between the transceiver and the
> > antenna or dummy load. If you don’t have such a meter, you can
> > alternatively connect a dummy load (such as the Elecraft DL2) then use
> > an oscilloscope or an RF voltmeter. (The DL2 includes a rectifier so
> > you can just use a DC voltmeter. The manual for the DL2 provides a
> > translation from DC volts to power level.)
> >
> > 2. For most accurate results, bypass the ATU. This is done in the menu
> > on the KX2 and KX3. The K3/K3S has an ATU switch function on the front
> > panel for this purpose.
> >
> > 3. Start with PWR set to 0.1 W and verify that you hit about this
> > level on the external meter. Hold TUNE to generate a continuous
> > carrier. (This automatically switches to CW mode temporarily, even if
> > you’re using a different mode.) Then exit TUNE by tapping XMIT.
> >
> > Note: The 0.1-W level is not well-calibrated at the rig’s internal
> > wattmeter, because this only forward-biases the rig’s SWR detector
> > diodes by a small amount. Also, the SWR (shown on VFO A) will appear
> > as “--“, because reflected power will be too low to accurately calculate
> it.
> >
> > 5. Go into the menu and turn off TX ALC. This is done using the TX
> > GAIN menu entry on the KX2 (page 41 of the manual) or KX3 (page 49).
> > Use the CONFIG:TX ALC menu entry on the K3 or K3S (approx. page 66).
> >
> > Note: On all of the rigs, the TECH MD menu entry must be set to ON in
> > order to see the TX GAIN or TX ALC menu entries. This is a precaution
> > to make sure such menu settings are not changed unintentionally. On
> > the KX2 and KX3, you also need to UNLOCK the ALC on/off feature as
> > explained in the manual (MENU section).
> >
> > 6. With ALC turned OFF, the PWR control now directly controls the
> > transmit drive level in fine increments. I just tested my lab KX2 and
> > found I could set the power smoothly down to as low as about 1/2
> milliwatt.
> >
> > When you have ALC turned off, the PWR display (on VFO B) will include
> > an asterisk (*) as a reminder. It will not show actual power level for
> > reasons described above. An external metering method will be needed to
> > dial in the desired level.
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Re: [Elecraft] FT 8

[Jim Brown]

On 3/3/2018 4:43 PM, Wes Stewart wrote:
I won't count any QSO that requires the software to have prior 
knowledge of the two station calls or could not be copied by an 
uninterested third party.


Misconception alert: WSJT modes do NOT require prior knowledge of any 
part of the message sent or received. For some modes, WSJT CAN be set to 
consult a database for what they call a "deep search" function that can 
reach a dB or two deeper into the noise. I don't know details, but it's 
my impression that it's used on EME (moonbounce) and for weak signal VHF 
work.


WSJT modes are much like RTTY in signals can be copied by anyone using 
software that decodes these modes, and like CW, in that they can be 
copied by anyone with CW skills. :)


On 3/3/2018 3:57 PM, William Levy wrote:

FT8 changes the game. No more rag chews. So this is what DX has become. No big 
power, no big antennas.


What passes for ragchewing on HF and VHF/UHF FM bores me to tears (and 
often turns me off). FWIW, ham radio was never about rag chewing -- 
rather it IS about radios and antennas and electronics and networks. And 
on the operating side, I enjoy challenging myself with contesting.


YOU may have big antennas (I do now, deep into retirement, but for my 
first 50 years in ham radio I didn't). Many hams live in cities, towns, 
and housing developments where they cannot have anything visible. Many 
hams are surrounded by electronically generated noise. WSJT modes allow 
us to work 10-20 dB deeper into the noise floor than a very good CW op, 
giving a ham mired in noise and with limited antennas a chance at 
playing radio. I see nothing at all wrong with that!


73, Jim K9YC
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Re: [Elecraft] FT 8

[Dave Cole (NK7Z)]

On 03/03/2018 05:09 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote:

> Still, I wouldn’t want the self-driving model.
>
> Wayne

...and still you bought a Prius.  :)


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Re: [Elecraft] FT 8

[rich hurd WC3T]

At the risk of arousing the ire of those who have gone before me, I humbly
submit that we have beat the FT8 horse to death - many times over.

Nobody's going to be happy about the ultimate answer and it might be best
to just let nature take its course, no matter what it is.

On Sat, Mar 3, 2018 at 7:49 PM, Ken G Kopp  wrote:

> Hi Wes!
>
> "Operator skill" ...
>
> Surely you jest ...
>
> 73!
>
> K0PP
>
> On Sat, Mar 3, 2018, 17:44 Wes Stewart  wrote:
>
> > Quoting myself in part from an email to my DX club reflector re: FT8
> >
> > "I think I will set a personal standard, at least for awards purposes,
> > that 1) I
> > will be at the controls of the station. 2) I won't count any QSO that
> > couldn't
> > have been copied on CW. 3)  I won't count any QSO that requires the
> > software to
> > have prior knowledge of the two station calls or could not be copied by
> an
> > uninterested third party.
> >
> > I'm sure there will be critics who declare that I'm an old fogy who is
> > longing
> > for the return of spark.  Nothing could be further from the truth.  I
> have
> > worked on the cutting edge of new technologies for years.  But, I also
> > believe
> > that there should be some value added by way of operator skill."
> >
> > Since that time I'm adding 4) If JTAlert pops up with a text message from
> > my QSO
> > partner wherein he tells me what he's copied and what I should send next,
> > I will
> > not complete the QSO.
> >
> > Wes  N7WS
> >
> >
> >
> > On 3/3/2018 4:57 PM, William Levy wrote:
> > > As an old dog I am sorry to see that FT8 has become all the rage.
> > > I grew up with a few vacuum tubes and a dipole. AM carrier controlled,
> 5
> > > tube receivers. Loved CW when I had very little. Love SSB with big
> > antennas
> > > and towers.
> > >
> > > FT8 changes the game. No more rag chews. So this is what DX has become.
> > No
> > > big power, no big antennas. Someone will write an app that will tell
> the
> > > radio to keep calling cq and log contacts. V.2 of the App will record
> new
> > > prefixes and club log it.
> > >
> > > I may feel critical as I write this but the future is not mine and all
> is
> > > fair in love and war.
> > >
> > > Sincerely, Bill N2WL
> >
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Re: [Elecraft] KPA1500 and FT8

[Wayne Burdick]

I give you full credit. 

Wayne


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> On Mar 3, 2018, at 2:40 PM, Wes Stewart  wrote:
> 
> I believe that I invented the term "imaginary mode".  See the thread: "K3 And 
> WSJT-X FT8 Timing"
> 
> Wes  N7WS
> 
>> On 3/3/2018 3:07 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote:
>> To each his own.
>> 
>> I run 0.0 watts on FT8, since it’s the next best thing to ESP. I’ve had many 
>> a satisfactory,  automated, effortless, imaginary QSO on this mode.
>> 
>> Wayne
>> N6KR
>> 
>> 
>> http://www.elecraft.com
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Re: [Elecraft] FT 8

[Wayne Burdick]

Seconded. 

They had to pry the stick-shift out of my hand, too, when my CRV was trashed by 
a drunk and, valuing gas mileage over sportiness, I got a Prius. 

Still, I wouldn’t want the self-driving model. 

Wayne


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> On Mar 3, 2018, at 4:43 PM, Wes Stewart  wrote:
> 
> Quoting myself in part from an email to my DX club reflector re: FT8
> 
> "I think I will set a personal standard, at least for awards purposes, that 
> 1) I will be at the controls of the station. 2) I won't count any QSO that 
> couldn't have been copied on CW. 3)  I won't count any QSO that requires the 
> software to have prior knowledge of the two station calls or could not be 
> copied by an uninterested third party.
> 
> I'm sure there will be critics who declare that I'm an old fogy who is 
> longing for the return of spark.  Nothing could be further from the truth.  I 
> have worked on the cutting edge of new technologies for years.  But, I also 
> believe that there should be some value added by way of operator skill."
> 
> Since that time I'm adding 4) If JTAlert pops up with a text message from my 
> QSO partner wherein he tells me what he's copied and what I should send next, 
> I will not complete the QSO.
> 
> Wes  N7WS
> 
> 
> 
>> On 3/3/2018 4:57 PM, William Levy wrote:
>> As an old dog I am sorry to see that FT8 has become all the rage.
>> I grew up with a few vacuum tubes and a dipole. AM carrier controlled, 5
>> tube receivers. Loved CW when I had very little. Love SSB with big antennas
>> and towers.
>> 
>> FT8 changes the game. No more rag chews. So this is what DX has become. No
>> big power, no big antennas. Someone will write an app that will tell the
>> radio to keep calling cq and log contacts. V.2 of the App will record new
>> prefixes and club log it.
>> 
>> I may feel critical as I write this but the future is not mine and all is
>> fair in love and war.
>> 
>> Sincerely, Bill N2WL
> 
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Re: [Elecraft] FT 8

[Ken G Kopp]

Hi Wes!

"Operator skill" ...

Surely you jest ...

73!

K0PP

On Sat, Mar 3, 2018, 17:44 Wes Stewart  wrote:

> Quoting myself in part from an email to my DX club reflector re: FT8
>
> "I think I will set a personal standard, at least for awards purposes,
> that 1) I
> will be at the controls of the station. 2) I won't count any QSO that
> couldn't
> have been copied on CW. 3)  I won't count any QSO that requires the
> software to
> have prior knowledge of the two station calls or could not be copied by an
> uninterested third party.
>
> I'm sure there will be critics who declare that I'm an old fogy who is
> longing
> for the return of spark.  Nothing could be further from the truth.  I have
> worked on the cutting edge of new technologies for years.  But, I also
> believe
> that there should be some value added by way of operator skill."
>
> Since that time I'm adding 4) If JTAlert pops up with a text message from
> my QSO
> partner wherein he tells me what he's copied and what I should send next,
> I will
> not complete the QSO.
>
> Wes  N7WS
>
>
>
> On 3/3/2018 4:57 PM, William Levy wrote:
> > As an old dog I am sorry to see that FT8 has become all the rage.
> > I grew up with a few vacuum tubes and a dipole. AM carrier controlled, 5
> > tube receivers. Loved CW when I had very little. Love SSB with big
> antennas
> > and towers.
> >
> > FT8 changes the game. No more rag chews. So this is what DX has become.
> No
> > big power, no big antennas. Someone will write an app that will tell the
> > radio to keep calling cq and log contacts. V.2 of the App will record new
> > prefixes and club log it.
> >
> > I may feel critical as I write this but the future is not mine and all is
> > fair in love and war.
> >
> > Sincerely, Bill N2WL
>
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Re: [Elecraft] FT 8

[Wes Stewart]

Quoting myself in part from an email to my DX club reflector re: FT8

"I think I will set a personal standard, at least for awards purposes, that 1) I 
will be at the controls of the station. 2) I won't count any QSO that couldn't 
have been copied on CW. 3)  I won't count any QSO that requires the software to 
have prior knowledge of the two station calls or could not be copied by an 
uninterested third party.


I'm sure there will be critics who declare that I'm an old fogy who is longing 
for the return of spark.  Nothing could be further from the truth.  I have 
worked on the cutting edge of new technologies for years.  But, I also believe 
that there should be some value added by way of operator skill."


Since that time I'm adding 4) If JTAlert pops up with a text message from my QSO 
partner wherein he tells me what he's copied and what I should send next, I will 
not complete the QSO.


Wes  N7WS



On 3/3/2018 4:57 PM, William Levy wrote:

As an old dog I am sorry to see that FT8 has become all the rage.
I grew up with a few vacuum tubes and a dipole. AM carrier controlled, 5
tube receivers. Loved CW when I had very little. Love SSB with big antennas
and towers.

FT8 changes the game. No more rag chews. So this is what DX has become. No
big power, no big antennas. Someone will write an app that will tell the
radio to keep calling cq and log contacts. V.2 of the App will record new
prefixes and club log it.

I may feel critical as I write this but the future is not mine and all is
fair in love and war.

Sincerely, Bill N2WL


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Re: [Elecraft] FT 8

[Mike Flowers]

The Old Signalman, seeing the new-fangled 
telegraph poles and wires stretching off to the horizon, threw down his 
semaphore flags in disgust.

-- Mike Flowers, K6MKF, NCDXC - "It's about DX!"

> On Mar 3, 2018, at 3:57 PM, William Levy  wrote:
> 
> As an old dog I am sorry to see that FT8 has become all the rage.
> I grew up with a few vacuum tubes and a dipole. AM carrier controlled, 5
> tube receivers. Loved CW when I had very little. Love SSB with big antennas
> and towers.
> 
> FT8 changes the game. No more rag chews. So this is what DX has become. No
> big power, no big antennas. Someone will write an app that will tell the
> radio to keep calling cq and log contacts. V.2 of the App will record new
> prefixes and club log it.
> 
> I may feel critical as I write this but the future is not mine and all is
> fair in love and war.
> 
> Sincerely, Bill N2WL
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Re: [Elecraft] FT 8

[EricJ]

Here ya go. SV5DKL has done exactly that. This AE5X blog entry is two 
months ago.


http://ae5x.blogspot.com/2018/01/video-fully-automated-ft8-qsos.html

Who knows? Hams might have to go back to homebrewing as a hobby.

Eric KE6US



On 3/3/2018 3:57 PM, William Levy wrote:

As an old dog I am sorry to see that FT8 has become all the rage.
I grew up with a few vacuum tubes and a dipole. AM carrier controlled, 5
tube receivers. Loved CW when I had very little. Love SSB with big antennas
and towers.

FT8 changes the game. No more rag chews. So this is what DX has become. No
big power, no big antennas. Someone will write an app that will tell the
radio to keep calling cq and log contacts. V.2 of the App will record new
prefixes and club log it.

I may feel critical as I write this but the future is not mine and all is
fair in love and war.

Sincerely, Bill N2WL
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[Elecraft] FT 8

[William Levy]

As an old dog I am sorry to see that FT8 has become all the rage.
I grew up with a few vacuum tubes and a dipole. AM carrier controlled, 5
tube receivers. Loved CW when I had very little. Love SSB with big antennas
and towers.

FT8 changes the game. No more rag chews. So this is what DX has become. No
big power, no big antennas. Someone will write an app that will tell the
radio to keep calling cq and log contacts. V.2 of the App will record new
prefixes and club log it.

I may feel critical as I write this but the future is not mine and all is
fair in love and war.

Sincerely, Bill N2WL
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Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Digest, Vol 167, Issue 4

[GRANT YOUNGMAN]

Does this only work with the internal keyer??



> 
> Go to the K3 Utility Terminal and in the SEND window, type in "TT1;" and then 
> hit the Enter button.
> Then key the K3S and you should see your CW decoded.
> 


Grant NQ5T
K3 #2091, KX3 #8342



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Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Digest, Vol 167, Issue 4

[Don Wilhelm]

Tom,

Go to the K3 Utility Terminal and in the SEND window, type in "TT1;" and 
then hit the Enter button.

Then key the K3S and you should see your CW decoded.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 3/3/2018 5:55 PM, Tom Norris wrote:


​I was glad to see Wayne's post describing the fix for my problem, which
should work on the K3S. However, I am still not able to ​get the K3S paddle
input to the K3S keyer to appear in the K3 utility. I see the commands TT1;
or TT0; appear in the Command Tester window but still the K3S paddle keying
does not show up in the K3 Utility Terminal window.

​I am following Mr Cady's directions in his K3S and P3 book pgs 53 and
81... I have re-installed the K3 Utility and retried several times but no
luck. The results remain as I described in my previous post below.


​Thanks, Tom NB5Q​


​


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Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2018 21:06:41 -0700
From: Tom Norris 
To: Elecraft List Server 
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 utility to monitor extended display of
 characters sent from K3S keyer problem
Message-ID:
 
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"

I'm beginning my learning curve with my new K3S Kit (after a trip to
Elecraft for them to correct the 400hz filter I put in backwards! Otherwise
it was a good, fun build). I'm wanting to practice CW sending and I am able
to see my K3S paddle input characters in the K3S VFO B. But I am not able
to receive the K3S paddle entered characters in the K3 Utility display. I
can enter and transmit characters via the keyboard in the K3 utility, see
them in the K3 Utility window and the K3S VFO B.  I've tried the various
K3S Text Decode settings but was no help. I'm sure it's a setting
someplace, I've tried to search the archives but the posts I've found do
not address that part of the problem.
Thanks, Tom NB5Q


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Message: 23
Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2018 09:08:25 -0800
From: Gary Hawkins 
To: Wayne Burdick 
Cc: Elecraft Reflector 
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Terminal decoding on KX3 paddle generated CW
Message-ID: 
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed

Hi Wayne,

Many thanks for that - this works a treat :).

73,

Gary K6YOA


On 3/3/2018 8:05 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote:

Gary,

There is a way to do this. It works equally well on the K2, K3, K3S,

KX2, and KX3.


1. Go into the KX3 Utility ?Command Tester? window. (Or use any terminal

emulator application of your choice.)


2. Send the command ?TT1;? to the radio from the computer. This will put

the rig into a mode where both transmitted and received characters are
outputted to the serial port, including those sent with the keyer paddle or
message memories.


3. To turn this mode off, send ?TT0;?.

Note that this feature works with the built-in PSK31/PSK63 and RTTY

modes of all of the rigs as well.


If you decide to try making contacts using CW or the built-in data

modes, check out the ?Terminal? function of the Utility. It allows you to
use the computer?s keyboard rather than the keyer paddle.


73,
Wayne
N6KR





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Re: [Elecraft] KPA1500 and FT8

[Wes Stewart]

I'm reminded of the following:

A number of years ago one of the members of our local DX club put up a 90' tower 
on top of a ridge in the Tucson Mountains.  All perfectly legal at the time.  
The politically connected Gates Pass Area Neighborhood Association went 
ballistic.  They coerced (did I mention politically connected) the county Board 
of Supervisors into proposing an ordinance that would limit towers to the same 
(34') height of a residence. We hams ponied up about $10K as I recall to hire a 
savvy lawyer, versed in political shenanigans, and packed the meeting room.  
Speakers from the Red Cross, CAP, Sheriff's Dept, Search and Rescue, and a 
number of hams who had helped in disaster communications, etc made our case.


The home owner's association had one representative who held up his cell phone 
and said to the Supes that he could talk all over the world with it and he 
didn't need any outdoor antenna.


Although there resulted some new building permit requirements, we can still have 
100' towers, (and except for 30-meters, can still run 1500 W on FT8.)


Wes  N7WS

http://tucsoncitizen.com/morgue2/2004/04/14/122382-county-won-t-limit-ham-radio-antennas/


On 3/3/2018 1:09 PM, Chuck Milam, N9KY wrote:

I see we are about to enter the dead horse beating ceremony over FT8 power
levels, as I’ve seen on other groups ad naseum.  Suggest checking the FT8
developers’ comments on the difference between  “low power” and “weak
signal” modes, before we enter the circular argument process.

73,

Chuck, N9KY


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Re: [Elecraft] KPA1500 and FT8

[Paul Baldock]

It would be nice if somebody answered the actual question "Is 75C 
normal ?"  Just pretend he was on RTTY..


- Paul



At 06:40 AM 3/3/2018, Carl Yaffey wrote:
Tried full power on 20M FT8 this morning in order to work weak 
Russian. Temp gets as high as 75C. Loud fan kicks in. Hope this is normal.


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Recording studio.
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Re: [Elecraft] shack project

[Don Wilhelm]

Charlie,

Did you mean the K3 or the KX3?  I assume the KX3 since you did not list 
the K3 previously.


In the cable between the KX3 and the KXPA100, there is a box with an RCA 
jack for Keyout to another amplifier.  Just connect that to your amp's 
Keyin (or PTT) jack, and the 811 amp will key.  The relays in that amp 
may be slow (unless you added the QSK kit), but there are menu 
adjustments in the KX3 to delay the onset of RF so you do not hot-switch 
in the amp.


You said you have the KX3 and PX3, so you already have a radio with a 
panadapter (it is just not built in) that will outperform a 7300, 
particularly in DX and contest situations where you are dealing with 
many stations in a narrow portion of the band.
If you are a casual operator, the 7300 may be adequate for you, but for 
DXing or contesting, your KX3 will shine, and the PX3 gives you a good 
look at what is going on around you.
With the addition of the KXPA100, you have more capability than with the 
7300.


BTW, Elecraft product numbers do not have any hyphens or spaces in the 
model numbers, so it is "KXPA100", not "KXPA 100".


73,
Don W3FPR

On 3/3/2018 5:30 PM, Charles Carlon wrote:

Did not know I could connect the KXPA 100 to the K3. Still learning the 
Elecraft line.
I think the KXPA 100 is first on my list.  Then maybe swap the 756 for the 
7300. That way I get a new radio with a panadaptor. I can then start saving for 
a K3s down the road.
Thanks to all for the info

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Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Digest, Vol 167, Issue 4

[Tom Norris]

>
> ​I was glad to see Wayne's post describing the fix for my problem, which
> should work on the K3S. However, I am still not able to ​get the K3S paddle
> input to the K3S keyer to appear in the K3 utility. I see the commands TT1;
> or TT0; appear in the Command Tester window but still the K3S paddle keying
> does not show up in the K3 Utility Terminal window.
>
> ​I am following Mr Cady's directions in his K3S and P3 book pgs 53 and
> 81... I have re-installed the K3 Utility and retried several times but no
> luck. The results remain as I described in my previous post below.
>
​Thanks, Tom NB5Q​


​
>
> --
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2018 21:06:41 -0700
> From: Tom Norris 
> To: Elecraft List Server 
> Subject: [Elecraft] K3 utility to monitor extended display of
> characters sent from K3S keyer problem
> Message-ID:
>  gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>
> I'm beginning my learning curve with my new K3S Kit (after a trip to
> Elecraft for them to correct the 400hz filter I put in backwards! Otherwise
> it was a good, fun build). I'm wanting to practice CW sending and I am able
> to see my K3S paddle input characters in the K3S VFO B. But I am not able
> to receive the K3S paddle entered characters in the K3 Utility display. I
> can enter and transmit characters via the keyboard in the K3 utility, see
> them in the K3 Utility window and the K3S VFO B.  I've tried the various
> K3S Text Decode settings but was no help. I'm sure it's a setting
> someplace, I've tried to search the archives but the posts I've found do
> not address that part of the problem.
> Thanks, Tom NB5Q
>
>
> --
>
> Message: 23
> Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2018 09:08:25 -0800
> From: Gary Hawkins 
> To: Wayne Burdick 
> Cc: Elecraft Reflector 
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Terminal decoding on KX3 paddle generated CW
> Message-ID: 
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
>
> Hi Wayne,
>
> Many thanks for that - this works a treat :).
>
> 73,
>
> Gary K6YOA
>
>
> On 3/3/2018 8:05 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote:
> > Gary,
> >
> > There is a way to do this. It works equally well on the K2, K3, K3S,
> KX2, and KX3.
> >
> > 1. Go into the KX3 Utility ?Command Tester? window. (Or use any terminal
> emulator application of your choice.)
> >
> > 2. Send the command ?TT1;? to the radio from the computer. This will put
> the rig into a mode where both transmitted and received characters are
> outputted to the serial port, including those sent with the keyer paddle or
> message memories.
> >
> > 3. To turn this mode off, send ?TT0;?.
> >
> > Note that this feature works with the built-in PSK31/PSK63 and RTTY
> modes of all of the rigs as well.
> >
> > If you decide to try making contacts using CW or the built-in data
> modes, check out the ?Terminal? function of the Utility. It allows you to
> use the computer?s keyboard rather than the keyer paddle.
> >
> > 73,
> > Wayne
> > N6KR
> >
> 
>
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Re: [Elecraft] KPA1500 and FT8

[Wes Stewart]

I believe that I invented the term "imaginary mode".  See the thread: "K3 And 
WSJT-X FT8 Timing"


Wes  N7WS

On 3/3/2018 3:07 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote:

To each his own.

I run 0.0 watts on FT8, since it’s the next best thing to ESP. I’ve had many a 
satisfactory,  automated, effortless, imaginary QSO on this mode.

Wayne
N6KR


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Re: [Elecraft] KPA1500 and FT8

[Jim Brown]

On 3/3/2018 12:09 PM, Chuck Milam, N9KY wrote:

I see we are about to enter the dead horse beating ceremony over FT8 power
levels, as I’ve seen on other groups ad naseum.  Suggest checking the FT8
developers’ comments on the difference between  “low power” and “weak
signal” modes,


Exactly right. WSJT modes are designed for WEAK SIGNALS, NOT QRP. 
Signals can be weak because of poor antenna(s), low TX power, and poor 
propagation. FT8, JT65, JT9, are designed to pull signals out of noise. 
If the other station has a high noise level, we may need to run more 
power for him to decode us.


If I'm calling EU on 160 from NorCal, I'm running close to legal limit. 
On 6M, I run my KPA500 at full power on all modes, including WSJT modes. 
Yes, it IS good practice to use no more power than necessary, and on 
some bands, especially higher bands, for a path with decent propagation, 
10W may be plenty.


Although I often operate legal limit, I also have 170 countries 
confirmed QRP, a few hours ago worked 3C3W with 5W on 17M CW, and it 
took less than 10 minutes. It took an hour on 20M RTTY at 1400W.


73, Jim K9YC


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Re: [Elecraft] shack project

[Charles Carlon]

Did not know I could connect the KXPA 100 to the K3. Still learning the 
Elecraft line. 
I think the KXPA 100 is first on my list.  Then maybe swap the 756 for the 
7300. That way I get a new radio with a panadaptor. I can then start saving for 
a K3s down the road. 
Thanks to all for the info

Charlie 
N7CAC 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 3, 2018, at 12:00, Bill  wrote:
> 
> OK - let me clarify:  The 7300 is a fine little rig. For the price, I doubt 
> if it can beaten. That said, I have been very pleased with my K3 for over six 
> years and if it was to quit tomorrow - I would pick up the phone and order 
> its replacement (K3S) with overnight shipping. Cannot be without it. For 
> example, when others complain about someone up band bleeding over I do 
> not hear them bleeding. Goes back to the quality of the receiver in the K3.
> 
> I do not contest, DX, digital. I just appreciate armchair 160/75/40 rag chew 
> and nets.
> 
> Ditto on on the service, emails, advice, help, etc. It gets no better than 
> Elecraft. Just recognize that not everyone can afford a desk full of Elecraft 
> and when asked a question it is kind to be honest and thoughtful with your 
> answers.
> 
> Bill W2BLC K-Line
> 
> PS: please post your replies (flames) rather than sending them by email. That 
> way, everyone can enjoy the wit.
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Re: [Elecraft] KPA1500 and FT8

[Richard]

Wayne, I think there’s a song in that.

Richard - W4KBX

> On Mar 3, 2018, at 5:07 PM, Wayne Burdick  wrote:
> 
> To each his own.
> 
> I run 0.0 watts on FT8, since it’s the next best thing to ESP. I’ve had many 
> a satisfactory,  automated, effortless, imaginary QSO on this mode.
> 
> Wayne
> N6KR
> 
> 
> http://www.elecraft.com
> 
>> On Mar 3, 2018, at 1:27 PM, Glenn Anderson  wrote:
>> 
>> I normally run 500 to 600 watts on ft8. I would go higher if my amp could do 
>> it.Life too short for QRP
>> Glenn WB5TUF 
>>  Original message From: Carl Jón Denbow  Date: 
>> 3/3/18  14:01  (GMT-06:00) To: Dennis Moore  Cc: 
>> Elecraft Reflector  Subject: Re: [Elecraft] 
>> KPA1500 and FT8 
>> I feel all kinds of guilty if I pump it up to 110 watts on FT8 (or a JT 
>> mode) to bag a difficult station.  A gallon and a half is down right sinful. 
>> ;-)
>> 
>> 73,
>> 
>> Carl
>> N8VZ
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>>> On Mar 3, 2018, at 2:50 PM, Dennis Moore  wrote:
>>> 
>>> No, 1500 watts on FT8 is not normal.
>>> 
>>> 73, Dennis NJ6G
>>> 
>>> 
 On 3/3/2018 06:40, Carl Yaffey wrote:
 Tried full power on 20M FT8 this morning in order to work weak Russian. 
 Temp gets as high as 75C. Loud fan kicks in. Hope this is normal.
 
 Carl Yaffey  K8NU
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Re: [Elecraft] Extreme QRPp using the KX2, KX3

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[mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Hajo Dezelski
Sent: Saturday, March 3, 2018 3:06 PM
To: Wayne Burdick 
Cc: Elecraft Reflector 
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Extreme QRPp using the KX2, KX3

Hi ,

wouldn't it be great if there was an additional sensor for the Wattmeter W2 for 
the Qrp-Guys 1-54 Mhz and 0.01 - 20 Watt?

Who needs a 200 Watt version if you only have the Kx-Line ;-) I really would 
consider buying a qrp-version.

73 de

Hajo dl1sdz

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Wayne Burdick  schrieb am Sa., 3. März 2018 16:49:

> Power output on the KX2, KX3, K3 and K3S can be set as low as 0.1 W 
> directly using the PWR control.
>
> However, you can actually set power output to much lower levels (< 1 
> milliwatt), with fine control, by turning off ALC in the menu and 
> adjusting the drive level manually.
>
> Here’s the recommended procedure for accurately setting power to 
> levels below 0.1 watt:
>
> 1. Connect an external milliwatt meter between the transceiver and the 
> antenna or dummy load. If you don’t have such a meter, you can 
> alternatively connect a dummy load (such as the Elecraft DL2) then use 
> an oscilloscope or an RF voltmeter. (The DL2 includes a rectifier so 
> you can just use a DC voltmeter. The manual for the DL2 provides a 
> translation from DC volts to power level.)
>
> 2. For most accurate results, bypass the ATU. This is done in the menu 
> on the KX2 and KX3. The K3/K3S has an ATU switch function on the front 
> panel for this purpose.
>
> 3. Start with PWR set to 0.1 W and verify that you hit about this 
> level on the external meter. Hold TUNE to generate a continuous 
> carrier. (This automatically switches to CW mode temporarily, even if 
> you’re using a different mode.) Then exit TUNE by tapping XMIT.
>
> Note: The 0.1-W level is not well-calibrated at the rig’s internal 
> wattmeter, because this only forward-biases the rig’s SWR detector 
> diodes by a small amount. Also, the SWR (shown on VFO A) will appear 
> as “--“, because reflected power will be too low to accurately calculate it.
>
> 5. Go into the menu and turn off TX ALC. This is done using the TX 
> GAIN menu entry on the KX2 (page 41 of the manual) or KX3 (page 49). 
> Use the CONFIG:TX ALC menu entry on the K3 or K3S (approx. page 66).
>
> Note: On all of the rigs, the TECH MD menu entry must be set to ON in 
> order to see the TX GAIN or TX ALC menu entries. This is a precaution 
> to make sure such menu settings are not changed unintentionally. On 
> the KX2 and KX3, you also need to UNLOCK the ALC on/off feature as 
> explained in the manual (MENU section).
>
> 6. With ALC turned OFF, the PWR control now directly controls the 
> transmit drive level in fine increments. I just tested my lab KX2 and 
> found I could set the power smoothly down to as low as about 1/2 milliwatt.
>
> When you have ALC turned off, the PWR display (on VFO B) will include 
> an asterisk (*) as a reminder. It will not show actual power level for 
> reasons described above. An external metering method will be needed to 
> dial in the desired level.
>
> Wayne
> N6KR
>
>
>
>
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Re: [Elecraft] KPA1500 and FT8

[Carl Jón Denbow]

That's certainly not in the spirit of weak-signal digital modes.  Most 
of us run anywhere from 1 watt to 35 watts.   Those are the type of 
signals that completely wipe out a large segment of the waterfall and 
make it difficult for others to complete QSOs.  There's nothing illegal 
about what you are doing, but weak signal modes were developed to 
provide the opportunity to get around the world with just a few watts 
and a dipole slung in the backyard between two trees.   If you want to 
run that kind of wattage on FT8, I'd recommend trying RTTY instead.  
High wattage is the norm on that mode.


73,

Carl

Glenn Anderson wrote:
I normally run 500 to 600 watts on ft8. I would go higher if my amp 
could do it.

Life too short for QRP

Glenn WB5TUF

 Original message 
From: Carl Jón Denbow 
Date: 3/3/18 14:01 (GMT-06:00)
To: Dennis Moore 
Cc: Elecraft Reflector 
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA1500 and FT8

I feel all kinds of guilty if I pump it up to 110 watts on FT8 (or a 
JT mode) to bag a difficult station.  A gallon and a half is down 
right sinful. ;-)


73,

Carl
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> On Mar 3, 2018, at 2:50 PM, Dennis Moore  wrote:
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> No, 1500 watts on FT8 is not normal.
>
> 73, Dennis NJ6G
>
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>> On 3/3/2018 06:40, Carl Yaffey wrote:
>> Tried full power on 20M FT8 this morning in order to work weak 
Russian. Temp gets as high as 75C. Loud fan kicks in. Hope this is normal.

>>
>> Carl Yaffey  K8NU
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Re: [Elecraft] KPA1500 and FT8

[Wayne Burdick]

To each his own.

I run 0.0 watts on FT8, since it’s the next best thing to ESP. I’ve had many a 
satisfactory,  automated, effortless, imaginary QSO on this mode.

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> On Mar 3, 2018, at 1:27 PM, Glenn Anderson  wrote:
> 
> I normally run 500 to 600 watts on ft8. I would go higher if my amp could do 
> it.Life too short for QRP
> Glenn WB5TUF 
>  Original message From: Carl Jón Denbow  Date: 
> 3/3/18  14:01  (GMT-06:00) To: Dennis Moore  Cc: 
> Elecraft Reflector  Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA1500 
> and FT8 
> I feel all kinds of guilty if I pump it up to 110 watts on FT8 (or a JT mode) 
> to bag a difficult station.  A gallon and a half is down right sinful. ;-)
> 
> 73,
> 
> Carl
> N8VZ
> 
> Sent from my iPad
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>> On Mar 3, 2018, at 2:50 PM, Dennis Moore  wrote:
>> 
>> No, 1500 watts on FT8 is not normal.
>> 
>> 73, Dennis NJ6G
>> 
>> 
>>> On 3/3/2018 06:40, Carl Yaffey wrote:
>>> Tried full power on 20M FT8 this morning in order to work weak Russian. 
>>> Temp gets as high as 75C. Loud fan kicks in. Hope this is normal.
>>> 
>>> Carl Yaffey  K8NU
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Re: [Elecraft] KPA1500 and FT8

[Glenn Anderson]

I normally run 500 to 600 watts on ft8. I would go higher if my amp could do 
it.Life too short for QRP
Glenn WB5TUF 
 Original message From: Carl Jón Denbow  Date: 
3/3/18  14:01  (GMT-06:00) To: Dennis Moore  Cc: Elecraft 
Reflector  Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA1500 and FT8 
I feel all kinds of guilty if I pump it up to 110 watts on FT8 (or a JT mode) 
to bag a difficult station.  A gallon and a half is down right sinful. ;-)

73,

Carl
N8VZ

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> On Mar 3, 2018, at 2:50 PM, Dennis Moore  wrote:
> 
> No, 1500 watts on FT8 is not normal.
> 
> 73, Dennis NJ6G
> 
> 
>> On 3/3/2018 06:40, Carl Yaffey wrote:
>> Tried full power on 20M FT8 this morning in order to work weak Russian. Temp 
>> gets as high as 75C. Loud fan kicks in. Hope this is normal.
>> 
>> Carl Yaffey  K8NU
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Re: [Elecraft] FT8 with KX3 and MacBook Pro

[Rick Prather]

I have used JTBridge and liked it but these days my favorite set up is the
combination of WSJT-X and RUMLogNG without JTBridge.

After setting up, using the instructions in RUMLog,  I am able to see Spots
from the Clusters intermixed with local WSJT-x spots in the "DXSpots"
window.  This allows me use RUMLog's excellent color coding system to
decide it I need the Country or Zone in FT8 or any other mode in one window.

Clicking a station in WSJT brings it up in RUMLog, shows previous contacts
with that station or that Country.  Logging is a one click operation that
also can be set to upload it to ClubLog and/or LoTW.

Makes for a nicely integrated set up.

Rick
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On Sat, Mar 3, 2018 at 12:28 PM, Walter Underwood 
wrote:

> Agreed, you probably want to use JT-Bridge. Read the instructions at the
> JTBridge site to get the right configurations and the right startup order
> for JT-Bridge, WSJT-X, and your logging application.
>
> http://jt-bridge.eller.nu/
>
> wunder
> K6WRU
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>
> > On Mar 3, 2018, at 10:22 AM, James Bennett  wrote:
> >
> > Hi Phil,
> >
> > No cookbook here, but I do have a MacBook Pro / Retina, WSJT-X, and MLDX
> and occasionally run my KX3 with them. A couple items to consider:
> >
> > —> Strongly suggest running JTBRIDGE if you do not already have it. It
> interfaces very, very nicely between WSJT-X and MLDX. Allows, among other
> things, your completed WSJT-X QSOs to be automatically logged into MLDX.
> >
> > —> You may run into issues where the audio from WSJT-X output is routed
> to your MacBook’s internal speakers instead of the external sound card -
> not a good thing. This is a problem that has been happening for several
> years sporadically to Mac users. It “may” be related to something Apple did
> to USB2 code. There have been several work-arounds posted. One is to try
> USB3 if your MacBook has it. Another is to set your MIDI output to 44,100
> instead of 48,000. And another, the one I use, is a USB to Thunderbolt
> adapter. My external sound card is a Tascam US-125M with USB output. I got
> the adapter on Amazon and plug the sound card into the Thunderbolt adapter.
> Works great.
> >
> > Jim / W6JHB
> >
> >
> >
> >> On Mar 3, 2018, at 4:12 AM, Philip Alley  wrote:
> >>
> >> Is there a complete “cookbook” for running FT8 with the KX3+PX3 and a
> MacBook Pro (w OSX 10.13.3)?  I am running MacLogger DX and have ordered a
> Sabrent USB-C tiny sound card.  The WSJT-X is downloaded but not set up
> yet. My KX3 is already communicating with Maclogger DX via USB.
> >>
> >> I am unsure about the additional cabling I need and best strategy for
> rig control.
> >>
> >> Any suggestions from anyone who has been down this road will be greatly
> appreciated.
> >>
> >> TNX
> >> Phil
> >> AA2EA
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Error Message help ple

[W5RDW]

Ed, I just got this error message a few minutes ago trying "again" to trouble
shoot a possible KIO3B problem. E000202 come on the display and the radio is
pretty much locked up. Frequency reluctantly changes, but not much else.
Radio was working 95% OK (some SPKR+PH, etc. problems), but otherwise OK.
Now, the bottom/right/front side of radio is really hot after a minute of
ON. This just started to happen. Something may be shorted in that area
(around the corner from the RIT know). D25?

3B7 is coming up in April for #327 confirmed, so I hope I can fix this soon.
No other rigs available to me!

Roger W5RDW





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Re: [Elecraft] Extreme QRPp using the KX2, KX3

[Hajo Dezelski]

Hi ,

wouldn't it be great if there was an additional sensor for the Wattmeter W2
for the Qrp-Guys 1-54 Mhz and 0.01 - 20 Watt?

Who needs a 200 Watt version if you only have the Kx-Line ;-)
I really would consider buying a qrp-version.

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Wayne Burdick  schrieb am Sa., 3. März 2018 16:49:

> Power output on the KX2, KX3, K3 and K3S can be set as low as 0.1 W
> directly using the PWR control.
>
> However, you can actually set power output to much lower levels (< 1
> milliwatt), with fine control, by turning off ALC in the menu and adjusting
> the drive level manually.
>
> Here’s the recommended procedure for accurately setting power to levels
> below 0.1 watt:
>
> 1. Connect an external milliwatt meter between the transceiver and the
> antenna or dummy load. If you don’t have such a meter, you can
> alternatively connect a dummy load (such as the Elecraft DL2) then use an
> oscilloscope or an RF voltmeter. (The DL2 includes a rectifier so you can
> just use a DC voltmeter. The manual for the DL2 provides a translation from
> DC volts to power level.)
>
> 2. For most accurate results, bypass the ATU. This is done in the menu on
> the KX2 and KX3. The K3/K3S has an ATU switch function on the front panel
> for this purpose.
>
> 3. Start with PWR set to 0.1 W and verify that you hit about this level on
> the external meter. Hold TUNE to generate a continuous carrier. (This
> automatically switches to CW mode temporarily, even if you’re using a
> different mode.) Then exit TUNE by tapping XMIT.
>
> Note: The 0.1-W level is not well-calibrated at the rig’s internal
> wattmeter, because this only forward-biases the rig’s SWR detector diodes
> by a small amount. Also, the SWR (shown on VFO A) will appear as “--“,
> because reflected power will be too low to accurately calculate it.
>
> 5. Go into the menu and turn off TX ALC. This is done using the TX GAIN
> menu entry on the KX2 (page 41 of the manual) or KX3 (page 49). Use the
> CONFIG:TX ALC menu entry on the K3 or K3S (approx. page 66).
>
> Note: On all of the rigs, the TECH MD menu entry must be set to ON in
> order to see the TX GAIN or TX ALC menu entries. This is a precaution to
> make sure such menu settings are not changed unintentionally. On the KX2
> and KX3, you also need to UNLOCK the ALC on/off feature as explained in the
> manual (MENU section).
>
> 6. With ALC turned OFF, the PWR control now directly controls the transmit
> drive level in fine increments. I just tested my lab KX2 and found I could
> set the power smoothly down to as low as about 1/2 milliwatt.
>
> When you have ALC turned off, the PWR display (on VFO B) will include an
> asterisk (*) as a reminder. It will not show actual power level for reasons
> described above. An external metering method will be needed to dial in the
> desired level.
>
> Wayne
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>
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Re: [Elecraft] FT8 with KX3 and MacBook Pro

[Walter Underwood]

Agreed, you probably want to use JT-Bridge. Read the instructions at the 
JTBridge site to get the right configurations and the right startup order for 
JT-Bridge, WSJT-X, and your logging application.

http://jt-bridge.eller.nu/

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> On Mar 3, 2018, at 10:22 AM, James Bennett  wrote:
> 
> Hi Phil,
> 
> No cookbook here, but I do have a MacBook Pro / Retina, WSJT-X, and MLDX and 
> occasionally run my KX3 with them. A couple items to consider:
> 
> —> Strongly suggest running JTBRIDGE if you do not already have it. It 
> interfaces very, very nicely between WSJT-X and MLDX. Allows, among other 
> things, your completed WSJT-X QSOs to be automatically logged into MLDX.
> 
> —> You may run into issues where the audio from WSJT-X output is routed to 
> your MacBook’s internal speakers instead of the external sound card - not a 
> good thing. This is a problem that has been happening for several years 
> sporadically to Mac users. It “may” be related to something Apple did to USB2 
> code. There have been several work-arounds posted. One is to try USB3 if your 
> MacBook has it. Another is to set your MIDI output to 44,100 instead of 
> 48,000. And another, the one I use, is a USB to Thunderbolt adapter. My 
> external sound card is a Tascam US-125M with USB output. I got the adapter on 
> Amazon and plug the sound card into the Thunderbolt adapter. Works great.
> 
> Jim / W6JHB
> 
> 
> 
>> On Mar 3, 2018, at 4:12 AM, Philip Alley  wrote:
>> 
>> Is there a complete “cookbook” for running FT8 with the KX3+PX3 and a 
>> MacBook Pro (w OSX 10.13.3)?  I am running MacLogger DX and have ordered a 
>> Sabrent USB-C tiny sound card.  The WSJT-X is downloaded but not set up yet. 
>> My KX3 is already communicating with Maclogger DX via USB.
>> 
>> I am unsure about the additional cabling I need and best strategy for rig 
>> control.
>> 
>> Any suggestions from anyone who has been down this road will be greatly 
>> appreciated. 
>> 
>> TNX
>> Phil
>> AA2EA
>> Louisville
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Re: [Elecraft] KPA1500 and FT8

[Ken G Kopp]

Yes Chuck, almost impossible to counter ignorance ... (;-)

73!

K0PP

On Sat, Mar 3, 2018, 13:11 Chuck Milam, N9KY  wrote:

> I see we are about to enter the dead horse beating ceremony over FT8 power
> levels, as I’ve seen on other groups ad naseum.  Suggest checking the FT8
> developers’ comments on the difference between  “low power” and “weak
> signal” modes, before we enter the circular argument process.
>
> 73,
>
> Chuck, N9KY
>
> On Sat, Mar 3, 2018 at 13:59 Richard  wrote:
>
> > YIKES! I’d say that’s about 30 times what’s considered normal and polite!
> >
> > Richard - W4KBX
> >
> > > On Mar 3, 2018, at 2:50 PM, Dennis Moore  wrote:
> > >
> > > No, 1500 watts on FT8 is not normal.
> > >
> > > 73, Dennis NJ6G
> > >
> > >
> > > On 3/3/2018 06:40, Carl Yaffey wrote:
> > >> Tried full power on 20M FT8 this morning in order to work weak
> Russian.
> > Temp gets as high as 75C. Loud fan kicks in. Hope this is normal.
> > >>
> > >> Carl Yaffey  K8NU
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Re: [Elecraft] KPA1500 and FT8

[Carl Yaffey]

Jeez, guys. Gimme a break. It was a TEST!


> On Mar 3, 2018, at 3:01 PM, Carl Jón Denbow  wrote:
> 
> I feel all kinds of guilty if I pump it up to 110 watts on FT8 (or a JT mode) 
> to bag a difficult station.  A gallon and a half is down right sinful. ;-)
> 
> 73,

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Re: [Elecraft] KPA1500 and FT8

[Chuck Milam, N9KY]

I see we are about to enter the dead horse beating ceremony over FT8 power
levels, as I’ve seen on other groups ad naseum.  Suggest checking the FT8
developers’ comments on the difference between  “low power” and “weak
signal” modes, before we enter the circular argument process.

73,

Chuck, N9KY

On Sat, Mar 3, 2018 at 13:59 Richard  wrote:

> YIKES! I’d say that’s about 30 times what’s considered normal and polite!
>
> Richard - W4KBX
>
> > On Mar 3, 2018, at 2:50 PM, Dennis Moore  wrote:
> >
> > No, 1500 watts on FT8 is not normal.
> >
> > 73, Dennis NJ6G
> >
> >
> > On 3/3/2018 06:40, Carl Yaffey wrote:
> >> Tried full power on 20M FT8 this morning in order to work weak Russian.
> Temp gets as high as 75C. Loud fan kicks in. Hope this is normal.
> >>
> >> Carl Yaffey  K8NU
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Re: [Elecraft] KPA1500 and FT8

[Richard]

I suspect that most guys who feel it’s just fine and dandy to squirt legal 
limit FT8 signals all over the place have never been on the other end of that 
kind of inconsideration. Maybe if they saw how it virtually blots out 
waterfalls and generally makes life unpleasant for those who are following the 
accepted conventions, they’d have second thoughts.

Like maybe a better antenna.

Richard - W4KBX

> On Mar 3, 2018, at 3:01 PM, Carl Jón Denbow  wrote:
> 
> I feel all kinds of guilty if I pump it up to 110 watts on FT8 (or a JT mode) 
> to bag a difficult station.  A gallon and a half is down right sinful. ;-)
> 
> 73,
> 
> Carl
> N8VZ
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Mar 3, 2018, at 2:50 PM, Dennis Moore  wrote:
>> 
>> No, 1500 watts on FT8 is not normal.
>> 
>> 73, Dennis NJ6G
>> 
>> 
>>> On 3/3/2018 06:40, Carl Yaffey wrote:
>>> Tried full power on 20M FT8 this morning in order to work weak Russian. 
>>> Temp gets as high as 75C. Loud fan kicks in. Hope this is normal.
>>> 
>>> Carl Yaffey  K8NU
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Re: [Elecraft] KPA1500 and FT8

[Carl Jón Denbow]

I feel all kinds of guilty if I pump it up to 110 watts on FT8 (or a JT mode) 
to bag a difficult station.  A gallon and a half is down right sinful. ;-)

73,

Carl
N8VZ

Sent from my iPad

> On Mar 3, 2018, at 2:50 PM, Dennis Moore  wrote:
> 
> No, 1500 watts on FT8 is not normal.
> 
> 73, Dennis NJ6G
> 
> 
>> On 3/3/2018 06:40, Carl Yaffey wrote:
>> Tried full power on 20M FT8 this morning in order to work weak Russian. Temp 
>> gets as high as 75C. Loud fan kicks in. Hope this is normal.
>> 
>> Carl Yaffey  K8NU
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Re: [Elecraft] KPA1500 and FT8

[Richard]

YIKES! I’d say that’s about 30 times what’s considered normal and polite!

Richard - W4KBX

> On Mar 3, 2018, at 2:50 PM, Dennis Moore  wrote:
> 
> No, 1500 watts on FT8 is not normal.
> 
> 73, Dennis NJ6G
> 
> 
> On 3/3/2018 06:40, Carl Yaffey wrote:
>> Tried full power on 20M FT8 this morning in order to work weak Russian. Temp 
>> gets as high as 75C. Loud fan kicks in. Hope this is normal.
>> 
>> Carl Yaffey  K8NU
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Re: [Elecraft] KPA1500 and FT8

[Dennis Moore]

No, 1500 watts on FT8 is not normal.

73, Dennis NJ6G


On 3/3/2018 06:40, Carl Yaffey wrote:

Tried full power on 20M FT8 this morning in order to work weak Russian. Temp 
gets as high as 75C. Loud fan kicks in. Hope this is normal.

Carl Yaffey  K8NU


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Re: [Elecraft] FT8 with KX3 and MacBook Pro

[James Bennett]

Hi Phil,

No cookbook here, but I do have a MacBook Pro / Retina, WSJT-X, and MLDX and 
occasionally run my KX3 with them. A couple items to consider:

—> Strongly suggest running JTBRIDGE if you do not already have it. It 
interfaces very, very nicely between WSJT-X and MLDX. Allows, among other 
things, your completed WSJT-X QSOs to be automatically logged into MLDX.

—> You may run into issues where the audio from WSJT-X output is routed to your 
MacBook’s internal speakers instead of the external sound card - not a good 
thing. This is a problem that has been happening for several years sporadically 
to Mac users. It “may” be related to something Apple did to USB2 code. There 
have been several work-arounds posted. One is to try USB3 if your MacBook has 
it. Another is to set your MIDI output to 44,100 instead of 48,000. And 
another, the one I use, is a USB to Thunderbolt adapter. My external sound card 
is a Tascam US-125M with USB output. I got the adapter on Amazon and plug the 
sound card into the Thunderbolt adapter. Works great.

Jim / W6JHB



> On Mar 3, 2018, at 4:12 AM, Philip Alley  wrote:
> 
> Is there a complete “cookbook” for running FT8 with the KX3+PX3 and a MacBook 
> Pro (w OSX 10.13.3)?  I am running MacLogger DX and have ordered a Sabrent 
> USB-C tiny sound card.  The WSJT-X is downloaded but not set up yet. My KX3 
> is already communicating with Maclogger DX via USB.
> 
> I am unsure about the additional cabling I need and best strategy for rig 
> control.
> 
> Any suggestions from anyone who has been down this road will be greatly 
> appreciated. 
> 
> TNX
> Phil
> AA2EA
> Louisville
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Re: [Elecraft] Terminal decoding on KX3 paddle generated CW

[Gary Hawkins]

Hi Wayne,

Many thanks for that - this works a treat :).

73,

Gary K6YOA


On 3/3/2018 8:05 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote:

Gary,

There is a way to do this. It works equally well on the K2, K3, K3S, KX2, and 
KX3.

1. Go into the KX3 Utility “Command Tester” window. (Or use any terminal 
emulator application of your choice.)

2. Send the command “TT1;” to the radio from the computer. This will put the 
rig into a mode where both transmitted and received characters are outputted to 
the serial port, including those sent with the keyer paddle or message memories.

3. To turn this mode off, send “TT0;”.

Note that this feature works with the built-in PSK31/PSK63 and RTTY modes of 
all of the rigs as well.

If you decide to try making contacts using CW or the built-in data modes, check 
out the “Terminal” function of the Utility. It allows you to use the computer’s 
keyboard rather than the keyer paddle.

73,
Wayne
N6KR





On Mar 3, 2018, at 7:49 AM, Gary Hawkins  wrote:

I'm trying to learn CW, in particular the sending part.  I've a KX3 with 
Elecraft paddle.  When sending, I can see my CW on the VFO B section of the KX3 
screen but I was also hoping to view it in the Terminal section of the KX3 
Utility program. I could not get this to work and asked Elecraft what I was 
doing wrong.

I learned you cannot view transmitter decoding in the Terminal screen when you 
send CW directly from the KX3 using a KX3 paddle, as the KX3 does not send 
serial data out the ACC1 port at the same time it is transmitting, due to 
limitations with MCU loading.

Have others experienced this problem?  How did you overcome the issue.  The 
only thing I can think of currently is have an app on an ipad/Andriod device 
listen to the KX3 speaker and decode what I'm sending.  I want to do this so I 
can see just how good/bad I'm sending for longer transmissions.

Best regards,

Gary K6YOA






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Re: [Elecraft] shack project

[Bill]

OK - let me clarify:  The 7300 is a fine little rig. For the price, I 
doubt if it can beaten. That said, I have been very pleased with my K3 
for over six years and if it was to quit tomorrow - I would pick up the 
phone and order its replacement (K3S) with overnight shipping. Cannot be 
without it. For example, when others complain about someone up band 
bleeding over I do not hear them bleeding. Goes back to the quality 
of the receiver in the K3.


I do not contest, DX, digital. I just appreciate armchair 160/75/40 rag 
chew and nets.


Ditto on on the service, emails, advice, help, etc. It gets no better 
than Elecraft. Just recognize that not everyone can afford a desk full 
of Elecraft and when asked a question it is kind to be honest and 
thoughtful with your answers.


Bill W2BLC K-Line

PS: please post your replies (flames) rather than sending them by email. 
That way, everyone can enjoy the wit.


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Re: [Elecraft] shack project

[Phil Kane]

> From: Charles Carlon
> Very good point. I am not sure what my options would be if the 756 broke

and John KK9A replied:
> Perhaps send the broken 756 to Icom America for repair.
About 5 years ago I needed service on a very high end Icom
Communications Receiver that was 20+ years old.  IcomAmerica didn't have
that the support available but referred me to the retired tech who did
"outside work" (their version of Don Wilhelm - no offense, Don!).  At
least the problems got fixed but not as smoothly as we experience with
Elecraft tech support.


73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane
Elecraft K2/100   s/n 5402

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Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon
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Re: [Elecraft] Terminal decoding on KX3 paddle generated CW

[Wayne Burdick]

Gary,

There is a way to do this. It works equally well on the K2, K3, K3S, KX2, and 
KX3.

1. Go into the KX3 Utility “Command Tester” window. (Or use any terminal 
emulator application of your choice.)

2. Send the command “TT1;” to the radio from the computer. This will put the 
rig into a mode where both transmitted and received characters are outputted to 
the serial port, including those sent with the keyer paddle or message memories.

3. To turn this mode off, send “TT0;”.

Note that this feature works with the built-in PSK31/PSK63 and RTTY modes of 
all of the rigs as well.

If you decide to try making contacts using CW or the built-in data modes, check 
out the “Terminal” function of the Utility. It allows you to use the computer’s 
keyboard rather than the keyer paddle.

73,
Wayne
N6KR




> On Mar 3, 2018, at 7:49 AM, Gary Hawkins  wrote:
> 
> I'm trying to learn CW, in particular the sending part.  I've a KX3 with 
> Elecraft paddle.  When sending, I can see my CW on the VFO B section of the 
> KX3 screen but I was also hoping to view it in the Terminal section of the 
> KX3 Utility program. I could not get this to work and asked Elecraft what I 
> was doing wrong.
> 
> I learned you cannot view transmitter decoding in the Terminal screen when 
> you send CW directly from the KX3 using a KX3 paddle, as the KX3 does not 
> send serial data out the ACC1 port at the same time it is transmitting, due 
> to limitations with MCU loading.
> 
> Have others experienced this problem?  How did you overcome the issue.  The 
> only thing I can think of currently is have an app on an ipad/Andriod device 
> listen to the KX3 speaker and decode what I'm sending.  I want to do this so 
> I can see just how good/bad I'm sending for longer transmissions.
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Gary K6YOA



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[Elecraft] Terminal decoding on KX3 paddle generated CW

[Gary Hawkins]

I'm trying to learn CW, in particular the sending part.  I've a KX3 with 
Elecraft paddle.  When sending, I can see my CW on the VFO B section of 
the KX3 screen but I was also hoping to view it in the Terminal section 
of the KX3 Utility program. I could not get this to work and asked 
Elecraft what I was doing wrong.


I learned you cannot view transmitter decoding in the Terminal screen 
when you send CW directly from the KX3 using a KX3 paddle, as the KX3 
does not send serial data out the ACC1 port at the same time it is 
transmitting, due to limitations with MCU loading.


Have others experienced this problem?  How did you overcome the issue.  
The only thing I can think of currently is have an app on an 
ipad/Andriod device listen to the KX3 speaker and decode what I'm 
sending.  I want to do this so I can see just how good/bad I'm sending 
for longer transmissions.


Best regards,

Gary K6YOA

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[Elecraft] Extreme QRPp using the KX2, KX3, K3, or K3S

[Wayne Burdick]

Power output on the KX2, KX3, K3 and K3S can be set as low as 0.1 W directly 
using the PWR control. 

However, you can actually set power output to much lower levels (< 1 
milliwatt), with fine control, by turning off ALC in the menu and adjusting the 
drive level manually.

Here’s the recommended procedure for accurately setting power to levels below 
0.1 watt:

1. Connect an external milliwatt meter between the transceiver and the antenna 
or dummy load. If you don’t have such a meter, you can alternatively connect a 
dummy load (such as the Elecraft DL2) then use an oscilloscope or an RF 
voltmeter. (The DL2 includes a rectifier so you can just use a DC voltmeter. 
The manual for the DL2 provides a translation from DC volts to power level.)

2. For most accurate results, bypass the ATU. This is done in the menu on the 
KX2 and KX3. The K3/K3S has an ATU switch function on the front panel for this 
purpose.

3. Start with PWR set to 0.1 W and verify that you hit about this level on the 
external meter. Hold TUNE to generate a continuous carrier. (This automatically 
switches to CW mode temporarily, even if you’re using a different mode.) Then 
exit TUNE by tapping XMIT.

Note: The 0.1-W level is not well-calibrated at the rig’s internal wattmeter, 
because this only forward-biases the rig’s SWR detector diodes by a small 
amount. Also, the SWR (shown on VFO A) will appear as “--“, because reflected 
power will be too low to accurately calculate it.

5. Go into the menu and turn off TX ALC. This is done using the TX GAIN menu 
entry on the KX2 (page 41 of the manual) or KX3 (page 49). Use the CONFIG:TX 
ALC menu entry on the K3 or K3S (approx. page 66). 

Note: On all of the rigs, the TECH MD menu entry must be set to ON in order to 
see the TX GAIN or TX ALC menu entries. This is a precaution to make sure such 
menu settings are not changed unintentionally. On the KX2 and KX3, you also 
need to UNLOCK the ALC on/off feature as explained in the manual (MENU section).

6. With ALC turned OFF, the PWR control now directly controls the transmit 
drive level in fine increments. I just tested my lab KX2 and found I could set 
the power smoothly down to as low as about 1/2 milliwatt.

When you have ALC turned off, the PWR display (on VFO B) will include an 
asterisk (*) as a reminder. It will not show actual power level for reasons 
described above. An external metering method will be needed to dial in the 
desired level.

Wayne
N6KR




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Re: [Elecraft] FT8 with KX3 and MacBook Pro

[George Danner]

Phil,
Do use Don's advice on setting up soundcards with Elecraft radios for 
digital modes.


I found this pdf from KA9EAK in setting-up my mobile KX3 for Winmor and 
packet. For me it is a work in progress as I'm waiting for a couple of 
connectors to arrive.

He uses the term PC - not specifically for a MacPro - but might be helpful:
http://www.voyageurlutherie.com/docs/KX2%20Digital%20Mode%20Configuration%20Examples.pdf

73
George  AI4VZ


From: Don Wilhelm

Phil,

There is no "cookbook" that I am aware of.
BUT - FT8 is no different than any other digital mode, although the
application software may be a bit different.

Connect the soundcard input to the headphone jack and the soundcard
output to the MIC input.  Connect the KXUSB cable to the computer.
Use DATA A mode (not SSB).

If you are completely new to digital modes, you might try PSK31 first
using FLdigi or Ham Radio Deluxe to get used to it.

One last IMPORTANT point - Elecraft radios are different than other
manufacturers transceivers.  Much of the internet advice (and some
software instructions) will tell you to set the power high and use the
audio level to control the power.  That does NOT work with Elecraft
radios.  You must first set the audio to produce 4 bars with the 5th bar
flashing on the ALC meter.  Leave it set there and control the power
with the power knob.
See the article on my website www.w3fpr.com - scroll down to the bottom
of the left column and click on the link.

73,
Don W3FPR


On 3/3/2018 7:12 AM, Philip Alley wrote:
Is there a complete “cookbook” for running FT8 with the KX3+PX3 and a 
MacBook Pro (w OSX 10.13.3)?  I am running MacLogger DX and have ordered a 
Sabrent USB-C tiny sound card.  The WSJT-X is downloaded but not set up 
yet. My KX3 is already communicating with Maclogger DX via USB.


I am unsure about the additional cabling I need and best strategy for rig 
control.


Any suggestions from anyone who has been down this road will be greatly 
appreciated.




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Re: [Elecraft] K3 utility to monitor extended display of characters sent from K3S keyer problem

[Carl Jón Denbow]

Hi Tom!

Fancy meeting you here! ;-)

73,

Carl
N8VZ




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> On Mar 2, 2018, at 11:06 PM, Tom Norris  wrote:
> 
> I'm beginning my learning curve with my new K3S Kit (after a trip to
> Elecraft for them to correct the 400hz filter I put in backwards! Otherwise
> it was a good, fun build). I'm wanting to practice CW sending and I am able
> to see my K3S paddle input characters in the K3S VFO B. But I am not able
> to receive the K3S paddle entered characters in the K3 Utility display. I
> can enter and transmit characters via the keyboard in the K3 utility, see
> them in the K3 Utility window and the K3S VFO B.  I've tried the various
> K3S Text Decode settings but was no help. I'm sure it's a setting
> someplace, I've tried to search the archives but the posts I've found do
> not address that part of the problem.
> Thanks, Tom NB5Q
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[Elecraft] KPA1500 and FT8

[Carl Yaffey]

Tried full power on 20M FT8 this morning in order to work weak Russian. Temp 
gets as high as 75C. Loud fan kicks in. Hope this is normal.

Carl Yaffey  K8NU
Recording studio.
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[Elecraft] shack project

[j...@kk9a.com]

Perhaps send the broken 756 to Icom America for repair.

But I agree with K4TO that Elecraft customer service and support is second
to none. Their email response time is quick and I feel confident that
parts for my K3S's will be available for a long time.

John KK9A


From: Charles Carlon

Very good point. I am not sure what my options would be if the 756 broke

Charlie




> On Mar 3, 2018, at 08:27, Dave Sublette  wrote:
>
> No doubt there are good radios available.  But just remember.  If it
> breaks, someone has to fix it.  Elecraft is the ONLY manufacturer I know of
> that will send me an email from support with hints and helpful suggestions
> BEFORE I contact them.  I Went first to TenTec many years ago and then to
> Elecraft when I couldn't get any help for my other three brands of radios.
>
> 73,
>
> Dave, K4TO

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Re: [Elecraft] FT8 with KX3 and MacBook Pro

[Don Wilhelm]

Phil,

There is no "cookbook" that I am aware of.
BUT - FT8 is no different than any other digital mode, although the 
application software may be a bit different.


Connect the soundcard input to the headphone jack and the soundcard 
output to the MIC input.  Connect the KXUSB cable to the computer.

Use DATA A mode (not SSB).

If you are completely new to digital modes, you might try PSK31 first 
using FLdigi or Ham Radio Deluxe to get used to it.


One last IMPORTANT point - Elecraft radios are different than other 
manufacturers transceivers.  Much of the internet advice (and some 
software instructions) will tell you to set the power high and use the 
audio level to control the power.  That does NOT work with Elecraft 
radios.  You must first set the audio to produce 4 bars with the 5th bar 
flashing on the ALC meter.  Leave it set there and control the power 
with the power knob.
See the article on my website www.w3fpr.com - scroll down to the bottom 
of the left column and click on the link.


73,
Don W3FPR


On 3/3/2018 7:12 AM, Philip Alley wrote:

Is there a complete “cookbook” for running FT8 with the KX3+PX3 and a MacBook 
Pro (w OSX 10.13.3)?  I am running MacLogger DX and have ordered a Sabrent 
USB-C tiny sound card.  The WSJT-X is downloaded but not set up yet. My KX3 is 
already communicating with Maclogger DX via USB.

I am unsure about the additional cabling I need and best strategy for rig 
control.

Any suggestions from anyone who has been down this road will be greatly 
appreciated.


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Re: [Elecraft] Shack project

[G4GNX]

Hmmm.

Sherwood obviously never tested an IC7300 with a less than optimum antenna 
or a broadcast station nearby.


Our club has a K3 and an IC7300 and we can't use the IC7300 (without 
external filters and protection) for some special event stations, because 
there's a local broadcast station nearby and the IC7300's handling 
capability is abysmal. The K3 has no issues in the same situation.


We've also found that the IC7300 internal tuner does not match an 
un-optimised antenna, whereas the K3 has not failed to find a match so far.


To use an external tuner, the IC7300 needs an extra gismo, or you have to 
switch to FM to tune. OK, the gizmo's are available but they're not built 
in. K3 - press the TUNE button.


You pays your money and takes your choice!

73,

Alan. G4GNX

-Original Message- 
From: Bill

Sent: Saturday, March 3, 2018 1:11 PM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Shack project

I cannot advise you on what to do - but: In my mind, the 7300 is
affordable and first class (so says Sherewood). It is all in one box
with a good display and does everything an HF rig should do without the
need of expensive addons (100 Watts, auto tune, SWL coverage, filters).
It has been out long enough that it's bugs, quirks, and bad habits are
all known. It does not have a K-Pod or extensive macro system (for
external rig control). That said, my next purchase will be an IC-7300.

Bill W2BLC K-Line

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Re: [Elecraft] shack project

[Charles Carlon]

Very good point. I am not sure what my options would be if the 756 broke

Charlie

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> On Mar 3, 2018, at 08:27, Dave Sublette  wrote:
> 
> No doubt there are good radios available.  But just remember.  If it
> breaks, someone has to fix it.  Elecraft is the ONLY manufacturer I know of
> that will send me an email from support with hints and helpful suggestions
> BEFORE I contact them.  I Went first to TenTec many years ago and then to
> Elecraft when I couldn't get any help for my other three brands of radios.
> 
> 73,
> 
> Dave, K4TO
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Re: [Elecraft] shack project

[Dave Sublette]

No doubt there are good radios available.  But just remember.  If it
breaks, someone has to fix it.  Elecraft is the ONLY manufacturer I know of
that will send me an email from support with hints and helpful suggestions
BEFORE I contact them.  I Went first to TenTec many years ago and then to
Elecraft when I couldn't get any help for my other three brands of radios.

73,

Dave, K4TO
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Re: [Elecraft] Shack project

[Bill]

I cannot advise you on what to do - but: In my mind, the 7300 is 
affordable and first class (so says Sherewood). It is all in one box 
with a good display and does everything an HF rig should do without the 
need of expensive addons (100 Watts, auto tune, SWL coverage, filters). 
It has been out long enough that it's bugs, quirks, and bad habits are 
all known. It does not have a K-Pod or extensive macro system (for 
external rig control). That said, my next purchase will be an IC-7300.


Bill W2BLC K-Line


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Re: [Elecraft] KPA1500 arrived

[Chuck Chandler]

And, KPA-500 #3484 just moved from the workbench to the operating desk
yesterday... and my first QSO with it was also 3C3W on 20 CW.

Thanks, Elecraft!!

73 de Chuck, WS1L

On Fri, Mar 2, 2018 at 3:00 PM, Carl Yaffey  wrote:

> #38 arrived today in fine shape. Just worked 3C3W on 20M CW
>
>
> Thanks Elecraft gang!
> 73
>
> Carl Yaffey  K8NU
> Recording studio.
> cyaffeyno_s...@gmail.com
> 614 268 6353, Columbus OH
> http://www.carl-yaffey.com
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[Elecraft] FT8 with KX3 and MacBook Pro

[Philip Alley]

Is there a complete “cookbook” for running FT8 with the KX3+PX3 and a MacBook 
Pro (w OSX 10.13.3)?  I am running MacLogger DX and have ordered a Sabrent 
USB-C tiny sound card.  The WSJT-X is downloaded but not set up yet. My KX3 is 
already communicating with Maclogger DX via USB.

I am unsure about the additional cabling I need and best strategy for rig 
control.

Any suggestions from anyone who has been down this road will be greatly 
appreciated. 

TNX
Phil
AA2EA
Louisville
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Re: [Elecraft] Shack project

[John Marvin]

Charlie,

Since the KPA100 is an add-on for the K2, I assume that you mean the 
KXPA 100. Why can't you drive your 811 with a KXPA100?


73,
John
AC0ZG

On 3/2/2018 7:41 PM, Charles Carlon wrote:

Time to update and organize the Shack. I currently have

Icom 756 Pro III
Icom 7100
KX3 with Panadaptor
  Ameritron 811

Work SSB and digital modes
QRP with the KX3 battery and solar
Not a contestor and not good enough yet for CW

Upgrade options
Sell 7100 and buy KPA 100 or Icom 7300
Sell 756 and buy KPA 100 or Icom 7300
Sell both and buy both
Really love the KX3 and Px3. The KPA 100 would be good fo field day and field 
setups but would not be able to connect to the 811
The 7300 would add the panadaptor and be able to connect to the 811 but not 
have the portable options of the KX3

What do I loose if I give up the 756?

Charlie
N7CAC

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