Re: [Elecraft] Ham Qualifications, Customer Service

[Dave, W8OV]

Wayne,
I want to clarify what I was referring to in Wilson's email. I thought that his 
point about technology getting so far beyond the abilities and knowledge of 
most amateurs was on target, and the likelihood of being able to repair one's 
own gear diminishes with time. With the cost of labor, it does happen that 
sometimes one is better off replacing a broken unit than having it repaired, 
and a buyer ought to be prepared to do that at some point.

I have had experience with another brand that lasted a reasonable amount of 
time before something went wrong with the CW tone. The manufacturer told me to 
send it to an independent repair place he recommended. After paying shipping 
both ways plus the repair, the rig lasted a very short time before the tone 
went bad again. Shipping it, due to weight, a second time would make the repair 
cost unreasonable. Fortunately, I was prepared to buy another rig then. So the 
broken one sat on a shelf for several years, since I couldn't use it for "real 
radio", until I happened across a financially limited disabled veteran whose 
rig had just broken. As he only used phone, I gave him the rig with the caveat 
never to use it on CW. It was my second poor repair experience with that brand, 
so I understand the frustration it can cause. 

That said, my experience with Elecraft regarding repair is rather limited. My 
13 year old K3 (kit) just keeps on going. A second hand K2 I picked up several 
years ago just made it through another outdoor Field Day here in Texas where it 
worked in temperatures that reached 101°F in the shade. When I acquired it 
there was one small problem, but I got Don Wilhelm's help for that. I had a 
sensor for a W2 wattmeter fail after several years. On inquiry I was told by 
someone at Elecraft it would be less expensive to buy a new one than repair it, 
and I did. I am well-satisfied with my Elecraft gear, sympathetic to the 
problems you face with the current supply, price, and hiring situations, and 
plan to stick with and recommend Elecraft gear. But I think that on the whole, 
Wilson made some realistic observations about technology in general, and it was 
those I thought made sense. But I remain an Elecraft fan and user, and consider 
you and Eric the "good guys" in the business.

A few score years ago, I bought my first automobile with a loan. After I paid 
it off, I continued making those payments to myself. That approach allowed me 
to pay cash for every vehicle since. Likewise, I keep a "radio fund" with 
regular small savings so I'm prepared in case a repair just isn't possible or 
reasonable. Just seems practical to me. But these days that savings fund has 
become a general replacement fund because so many appliances and gadgets are 
beyond my ability or some manufacturer's willingness to repair. Instead of 
"buyer beware" it's now buyer be prepared. That's the lesson I took from 
Wilson's email.

73,
Dave, W8OV

 

On Monday, June 27, 2022 19:32:47 (-05:00), Wayne Burdick wrote:

> A few counterexamples:
>
> - We started selling the K2 in 1999, nearly 23 years ago. We're still selling 
> them. 99% of the parts are still available.
>
> - We started selling the K3 in early 2008, nearly 15 years ago. We still 
> service them (in fact repair times have gone down recently), and we're even 
> building new modules in some cases to extend their life and enhance 
> performance. This process was delayed by the supply chain and pandemic but 
> we're getting it back on track.
>
> - If you want to repair your own Elecraft product or ask a technical 
> question, you can email Eric and me personally. Many have, and I'm sure 
> they'll continue to do so. Or you can email support.
>
> - If you email me in a language other than English, I'll translate it with 
> Google both ways. I've done this in Spanish, French, and Japanese.
>
> - Most of the parts for our products are available from industry suppliers 
> like Digikey if not directly from us. This has been true historically, and 
> assuming the supply chain improves, it will continue to be true.
>
> - I have personally supplied parts or modules to at least a dozen of our 
> customers from my own lab stock over the years, typically at zero cost, zero 
> shipping, just to help out when the parts were not available elsewhere.
>
> - The K4 is designed in highly modular fashion so we can replace modules in 
> the future as technology changes, including the main processor board, ADC 
> boards, and DAC board. This seems preferable to, let's say, having your 
> entire radio be dependent on the availability of a particular laptop computer 
> that one designed into it.
>
>
> > ...buy an FT-450 and dump it
>
>
> Sure. YMMV.
>
> Wayne
> N6KR
>
>
>
>


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Re: [Elecraft] Ham Qualifications, Customer Service

[David Gilbert]

I remember that exact same statement being made about the K3 and K3s 
(discontinued after 6 years).  Other than the new synths, it wasn't 
honored for the K3 series so I see no reason to treat that as part of 
the value proposition for the K4.



On 6/27/2022 5:32 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote:


- The K4 is designed in highly modular fashion so we can replace modules in the 
future as technology changes, including the main processor board, ADC boards, 
and DAC board.



Wayne
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Re: [Elecraft] Ham Qualifications, Customer Service

[Ted Edwards W3TB]

Thanks for all helpful info.
My K3 is now 10 years old and chugging along just fine.  I changed out to
the newer VFO boards and the newer I/O board.

What I am watching for is a new release of the P3SVGA which I signed up for
at Hamvention.

I am still so impressed with the K3 receiver that I never even think about
a K4.

Good wishes!

On Mon, Jun 27, 2022 at 20:06 Hank via Elecraft 
wrote:

> I can attest to at least one part I received as a surprise from Elecraft.
> I bought a K3S kit in 2018.  I bought a internal 2m transverter 2nd that
> did not work well. I sent the whole thing in for a checkup (K3s et al) and
> had the 2 meter unit repaired and some modules installed including the
> higher resolution TXCO. The TXCO failed and they sent me a new one in 2020.
> It went bad. In 2021 when things really went to crap with the supply chain
> they sent me an original TXCO for free from someone’s secret stash - just
> from my comments here on the reflector.
>
> I am very hopeful they will keep the K3 line serviced for quite some time
> if the rest of the world can get their act together.
>
> When they say K-Line I think of the B-Line twins which are still operating
> in my shack. Fingers crossed!
>
> Hank
> K4HYJ
>
> > On Jun 27, 2022, at 8:34 PM, Wayne Burdick  wrote:
> >
> > A few counterexamples:
> >
> > - We started selling the K2 in 1999, nearly 23 years ago. We're still
> selling them. 99% of the parts are still available.
> >
> > - We started selling the K3 in early 2008, nearly 15 years ago. We still
> service them (in fact repair times have gone down recently), and we're even
> building new modules in some cases to extend their life and enhance
> performance. This process was delayed by the supply chain and pandemic but
> we're getting it back on track.
> >
> > - If you want to repair your own Elecraft product or ask a technical
> question, you can email Eric and me personally. Many have, and I'm sure
> they'll continue to do so. Or you can email support.
> >
> > - If you email me in a language other than English, I'll translate it
> with Google both ways. I've done this in Spanish, French, and Japanese.
> >
> > - Most of the parts for our products are available from industry
> suppliers like Digikey if not directly from us. This has been true
> historically, and assuming the supply chain improves, it will continue to
> be true.
> >
> > - I have personally supplied parts or modules to at least a dozen of our
> customers from my own lab stock over the years, typically at zero cost,
> zero shipping, just to help out when the parts were not available elsewhere.
> >
> > - The K4 is designed in highly modular fashion so we can replace modules
> in the future as technology changes, including the main processor board,
> ADC boards, and DAC board. This seems preferable to, let's say, having your
> entire radio be dependent on the availability of a particular laptop
> computer that one designed into it.
> >
> >
> >> ...buy an FT-450 and dump it
> >
> >
> > Sure. YMMV.
> >
> > Wayne
> > N6KR
> >
> >
> >
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"Do today what others won't,
so you can do tomorrow what others can't."
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[Elecraft] K3 data mode not working on 6 meter band NQ3N

[Robert Ward via Elecraft]

Hi

 

My K3 will not display FT8 signals on 6 meters when set to
data mode. Data mode works on 10 thru 160 but not on 6 meters, FT8 decodes
fine when USB is selected.

Any suggestions would be appreciated!

   Thanks, Bob   NQ3N



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Re: [Elecraft] Ham Qualifications, Customer Service

[Hank via Elecraft]

I can attest to at least one part I received as a surprise from Elecraft. I 
bought a K3S kit in 2018.  I bought a internal 2m transverter 2nd that did not 
work well. I sent the whole thing in for a checkup (K3s et al) and had the 2 
meter unit repaired and some modules installed including the higher resolution 
TXCO. The TXCO failed and they sent me a new one in 2020. It went bad. In 2021 
when things really went to crap with the supply chain they sent me an original 
TXCO for free from someone’s secret stash - just from my comments here on the 
reflector. 

I am very hopeful they will keep the K3 line serviced for quite some time if 
the rest of the world can get their act together. 

When they say K-Line I think of the B-Line twins which are still operating in 
my shack. Fingers crossed!

Hank
K4HYJ 

> On Jun 27, 2022, at 8:34 PM, Wayne Burdick  wrote:
> 
> A few counterexamples:
> 
> - We started selling the K2 in 1999, nearly 23 years ago. We're still selling 
> them. 99% of the parts are still available.
> 
> - We started selling the K3 in early 2008, nearly 15 years ago. We still 
> service them (in fact repair times have gone down recently), and we're even 
> building new modules in some cases to extend their life and enhance 
> performance. This process was delayed by the supply chain and pandemic but 
> we're getting it back on track.
> 
> - If you want to repair your own Elecraft product or ask a technical 
> question, you can email Eric and me personally. Many have, and I'm sure 
> they'll continue to do so. Or you can email support. 
> 
> - If you email me in a language other than English, I'll translate it with 
> Google both ways. I've done this in Spanish, French, and Japanese.
> 
> - Most of the parts for our products are available from industry suppliers 
> like Digikey if not directly from us. This has been true historically, and 
> assuming the supply chain improves, it will continue to be true.
> 
> - I have personally supplied parts or modules to at least a dozen of our 
> customers from my own lab stock over the years, typically at zero cost, zero 
> shipping, just to help out when the parts were not available elsewhere.
> 
> - The K4 is designed in highly modular fashion so we can replace modules in 
> the future as technology changes, including the main processor board, ADC 
> boards, and DAC board. This seems preferable to, let's say, having your 
> entire radio be dependent on the availability of a particular laptop computer 
> that one designed into it.
> 
> 
>> ...buy an FT-450 and dump it
> 
> 
> Sure. YMMV.
> 
> Wayne
> N6KR
> 
> 
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Re: [Elecraft] Ham Qualifications, Customer Service

[Wayne Burdick]

A few counterexamples:

- We started selling the K2 in 1999, nearly 23 years ago. We're still selling 
them. 99% of the parts are still available.

- We started selling the K3 in early 2008, nearly 15 years ago. We still 
service them (in fact repair times have gone down recently), and we're even 
building new modules in some cases to extend their life and enhance 
performance. This process was delayed by the supply chain and pandemic but 
we're getting it back on track.

- If you want to repair your own Elecraft product or ask a technical question, 
you can email Eric and me personally. Many have, and I'm sure they'll continue 
to do so. Or you can email support. 

- If you email me in a language other than English, I'll translate it with 
Google both ways. I've done this in Spanish, French, and Japanese.

- Most of the parts for our products are available from industry suppliers like 
Digikey if not directly from us. This has been true historically, and assuming 
the supply chain improves, it will continue to be true.

- I have personally supplied parts or modules to at least a dozen of our 
customers from my own lab stock over the years, typically at zero cost, zero 
shipping, just to help out when the parts were not available elsewhere.

- The K4 is designed in highly modular fashion so we can replace modules in the 
future as technology changes, including the main processor board, ADC boards, 
and DAC board. This seems preferable to, let's say, having your entire radio be 
dependent on the availability of a particular laptop computer that one designed 
into it.


> ...buy an FT-450 and dump it


Sure. YMMV.

Wayne
N6KR



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Re: [Elecraft] Ham Qualifications, Customer Service

[Dave, W8OV]

NOT a flame, Wilson. Parts of this should be printed and handed out to 
every purchaser of a transceiver, TV, or any modern appliance.



Back "in the day" I built some of my radio gear. But repair my own TV now, 
not a chance. I've become,



-- an old appliance operator. 73,


--
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On Monday, June 27, 2022 18:43:23 (-05:00), Wilson Lamb via Elecraft wrote:

>
> I wish this board could stay technical.
> Maybe we should have another one for service issues and rants?
> Ham qualifications were mentioned in the signal quality discussion.
> Someone should man up and state the obvious: 
>  
> Radios have become appliances that only a tiny minority could work on in 
any competent way and even then they would need pretty spiffy test 
equipment.  I am a lifelong hacker and 65 year call holder, with radar, BC, 
and radio experience of all sorts, but I have near zero interest in 
repairing my old K3.  I might look for a loose connection, but I've never 
opened either of my two, bought used.
>  
> The "qualifications" we claim to have are a farce.  People with NO IDEA 
about anything technical can memorize enough answers to get by the test.  
No offense, but this covers about 90% of new licensees.  But maybe it 
doesn't matter.  We need the numbers for political reasons and those who 
know enough, or want to learn enough, to do something technical can ignore 
the others.  Of course we can choose to help some of the others in the rare 
instance when they actually want to learn something.  Mostly they want 
someone to set up their appliance so they can pretend to be hams and press 
the button.  Or go over and put up an antenna or two for them.
>  
> I feel for the "company" but, for whatever reason, they have abandoned 
the owners of very expensive equipment they indicated they would maintain 
and support.  They are no more, or less, culpable than the big guys.  And 
"we" share the blame.  Anyone who expects a piece of advanced  techie 
equipment, with 100 or so man-years of programming and a handfull of 
specialized ICs in it to have a long (decade+) commercial life is a 
dreamer.  I just threw away an expensive wall oven because the SECOND $350 
control board failed and I wasn't about to buy a third one!  If you think 
Elecraft is bad, just try dealing with Whirlpool!  I bought a GE (control 
board $75) with half the bells and whistles and it cooks fine.  If I could, 
I'd buy one with a knob!  Front load washers are thrown away regularly 
because of door gasket leaks.  FYI, Speed Queen makes a fine top loader 
with mechanical timer and NO SCREEN or flashing numbers!
>  
> What can we do?  Adjust our expectations!  DON'T buy a K4 if you can't 
afford to throw it away in a few years.  It's probably less maintainable 
than the K3 and Elecraft is bleeding the talent and excitement that served 
them so well in the beginning.  Who of us believes there will suddenly 
appear a supply of brilliant, loyal, YOUNG engineers and programmers to 
keep the tradition alive.  If you want to keep your rig going for decades, 
get a Heathkit, Drake, or Collins.  They do most of what a K- does and you 
already have most of the parts to fix them, or one of your friends does, or 
Mouser does!  Otherwise, buy an FT-450 and dump it the same way you dumped 
your digi tv converter!  The labor to fix it would cost more than a new one 
anyway.  Mass production and specialized hardware have done a great job of 
giving us marvelous stuff, at the price of maintainability and support.  
Who has had their TV repaired lately?  Would anyone like to buy an IC-746?  
All it needs is a display?  Or one of those Yaesus that just needs a 
microprocessor or two?
>  
> Me?  I am as thrilled to work NY with a 2W Millen Variarm VFO (1941) as 
I am to work China with my K3, actually more so because I spent a day or so 
making the Variarm work, realizing full well that a day of reasonably 
competent service would cost enough to buy an FT-450, or some other low end 
rig. 
>  
> Writing checks and struggling with menus produces NO intellectual reward 
and often leads to frustration!
>  
> OK, I feel better, like after a nice trip to  the Field Day Porta Potty, 
so  let the flames begin.  Better yet, if you want to discuss your SW-3, 
Wasp, Comet Pro, RME-70, SX-16, SB-401, HT-9, or Gonset Communicator, just 
let me know.  And remember, you'll be old someday too.  I'll keep trying to 
figure out receiving antenna assignment on the K3...
>  
> Wilson

> K4OGP (1957), W4BOH (Dad 1932, me 1987)


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[Elecraft] Ham Qualifications, Customer Service

[Wilson Lamb via Elecraft]

I wish this board could stay technical. 
Maybe we should have another one for service issues and rants? 
Ham qualifications were mentioned in the signal quality discussion. 
Someone should man up and state the obvious:  
  
Radios have become appliances that only a tiny minority could work on in any 
competent way and even then they would need pretty spiffy test equipment.  I am 
a lifelong hacker and 65 year call holder, with radar, BC, and radio experience 
of all sorts, but I have near zero interest in repairing my old K3.  I might 
look for a loose connection, but I've never opened either of my two, bought 
used. 
  
The "qualifications" we claim to have are a farce.  People with NO IDEA about 
anything technical can memorize enough answers to get by the test.  No offense, 
but this covers about 90% of new licensees.  But maybe it doesn't matter.  We 
need the numbers for political reasons and those who know enough, or want to 
learn enough, to do something technical can ignore the others.  Of course we 
can choose to help some of the others in the rare instance when they actually 
want to learn something.  Mostly they want someone to set up their appliance so 
they can pretend to be hams and press the button.  Or go over and put up an 
antenna or two for them. 
  
I feel for the "company" but, for whatever reason, they have abandoned the 
owners of very expensive equipment they indicated they would maintain and 
support.  They are no more, or less, culpable than the big guys.  And "we" 
share the blame.  Anyone who expects a piece of advanced  techie equipment, 
with 100 or so man-years of programming and a handfull of specialized ICs in it 
to have a long (decade+) commercial life is a dreamer.  I just threw away an 
expensive wall oven because the SECOND $350 control board failed and I wasn't 
about to buy a third one!  If you think Elecraft is bad, just try dealing with 
Whirlpool!  I bought a GE (control board $75) with half the bells and whistles 
and it cooks fine.  If I could, I'd buy one with a knob!  Front load washers 
are thrown away regularly because of door gasket leaks.  FYI, Speed Queen makes 
a fine top loader with mechanical timer and NO SCREEN or flashing numbers! 
  
What can we do?  Adjust our expectations!  DON'T buy a K4 if you can't afford 
to throw it away in a few years.  It's probably less maintainable than the K3 
and Elecraft is bleeding the talent and excitement that served them so well in 
the beginning.  Who of us believes there will suddenly appear a supply of 
brilliant, loyal, YOUNG engineers and programmers to keep the tradition alive.  
If you want to keep your rig going for decades, get a Heathkit, Drake, or 
Collins.  They do most of what a K- does and you already have most of the parts 
to fix them, or one of your friends does, or Mouser does!  Otherwise, buy an 
FT-450 and dump it the same way you dumped your digi tv converter!  The labor 
to fix it would cost more than a new one anyway.  Mass production and 
specialized hardware have done a great job of giving us marvelous stuff, at the 
price of maintainability and support.  Who has had their TV repaired lately?  
Would anyone like to buy an IC-746?  All it needs is a display?  Or one of 
those Yaesus that just needs a microprocessor or two? 
  
Me?  I am as thrilled to work NY with a 2W Millen Variarm VFO (1941) as I am to 
work China with my K3, actually more so because I spent a day or so  making the 
Variarm work, realizing full well that a day of reasonably competent service 
would cost enough to buy an FT-450, or some other low end rig.  
  
Writing checks and struggling with menus produces NO intellectual reward and 
often leads to frustration! 
  
OK, I feel better, like after a nice trip to  the Field Day Porta Potty, so  
let the flames begin.  Better yet, if you want to discuss your SW-3, Wasp, 
Comet Pro, RME-70, SX-16, SB-401, HT-9, or Gonset Communicator, just let me 
know.  And remember, you'll be old someday too.  I'll keep trying to figure out 
receiving antenna assignment on the K3... 
  
Wilson 
K4OGP (1957), W4BOH (Dad 1932, me 1987) 
 
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Re: [Elecraft] Field Day Report

[Wayne Burdick]

And to think I was only engaging in a little subtle humor.

W


> On Jun 27, 2022, at 4:05 PM, Fred Jensen  wrote:
> 
> Yes, in the US, 0.1A1 is permitted everywhere and always has been.  One does 
> often hear the term "CW sub-band" in the context of CW only however.  If you 
> study 47CFR97 closely enough, you'll find that it doesn't even mention CW 
> when talking about sub-band allocations, except for 6 and 2.  What we 
> normally think of as the CW portion of 80 m is the "RTTY/Digital" sub-band.
> 
> 73,
> 
> Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
> Sparks NV DM09dn
> Washoe County
> 
> Jim Rhodes wrote on 6/27/2022 2:47 PM:
>> Those bands have a CW only band, but otherwise there is no real place that 
>> CW is NOT allowed. So CW the CW segements are all the amateur bands. Let's 
>> keep it that way.
>> 
>> On Mon, Jun 27, 2022, 13:45 Fred Jensen > > wrote:
>> 
>>In the US:
>> 
>>50.000 - 50.100 MHz
>>144.000 - !44.100 MHz
>> 
>>73,
>> 
>>Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
>>Sparks NV DM09dn
>>Washoe County
> 
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Re: [Elecraft] Field Day Report

[Fred Jensen]

Yes, in the US, 0.1A1 is permitted everywhere and always has been.  One 
does often hear the term "CW sub-band" in the context of CW only 
however.  If you study 47CFR97 closely enough, you'll find that it 
doesn't even mention CW when talking about sub-band allocations, except 
for 6 and 2.  What we normally think of as the CW portion of 80 m is the 
"RTTY/Digital" sub-band.


73,

Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County

Jim Rhodes wrote on 6/27/2022 2:47 PM:
Those bands have a CW only band, but otherwise there is no real place 
that CW is NOT allowed. So CW the CW segements are all the amateur 
bands. Let's keep it that way.


On Mon, Jun 27, 2022, 13:45 Fred Jensen > wrote:


In the US:

50.000 - 50.100 MHz
144.000 - !44.100 MHz

73,

Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County




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Re: [Elecraft] Common K3 failure modes???

[Fred Jensen]

Realistically, a manufacturer can only rely on the first category -- 
readily available parts.  Production scheduling, staffing, sales, 
distribution all require a predictable, steady, stable supply of ALL 
components.  Microprocessor, microcontroller, and ASIC parts are 
especially sensitive because, to remain competitive in their markets, 
their manufacturers must keep pace with technology, and providing a 
stable supply of older, superceded parts is almost always a non-starter.


The US Air Force monitors the availability of a myriad of parts for an 
aircraft and the requirements for them.  As parts will become 
unavailable, they will often contract for a "lifetime buy" to support 
the aircraft until its retirement from the fleet, which might be decades 
in the future. This works because the USAF has the financial resources 
for the purchase and the space to warehouse all those items and the 
capability to distribute them.  A lifetime buy for K3 parts is out of 
the question for Elecraft.


My K3 is serial #642.  Elecraft has upgraded it twice, and I've 
purchased all of the modular units I will need ... plus a couple I find 
I don't need. [:=)  It is wholly unreasonable for me to expect that 
Elecraft will be able to continue upgrades in perpetuity.  I was told it 
was modular when I bought it, it turned out it was, it has met my needs 
and expectations and still does.  I've been licensed for 70 years this 
summer.  If it finally fails or fails to meet my needs, I will retire it 
and get a new one.


73,

Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW #142
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County

Geert Jan de Groot wrote on 6/27/2022 2:24 PM:

On 27/06/2022 20:39, elecraft-requ...@mailman.qth.net wrote:

Four categories:

> 

I didn't want to start a flame fest, but I was trying to find what 
mods one should do as a preventive measure. Buying the input-diodes 
that fail on very strong input signals (discussed on the list) is one 
thing.
Protecting the LPA amplifier (the extra diodes) is a good and simple 
investment too - took me all of 10 minutes to install them.


Comments about the 8V regulator - I bookmarked these messages, 
assuming that an 7808 voltage regulator should be obtainable.
Thanks for the other comments - I think my radios are now in a 
reasonable shape against known mishaps.


Several other mods (like "gold pins") have been published and should 
be considered known.


Scarcity is another issue, and it's big. Elecraft often uses Microchip 
controllers in their radios (I don't know about the K4. but for older 
models this is true).
I have been trying to buy various Microchip processors for other 
projects and for many, stock has completely dried up with 
www.microchipdirect.com quoting availability end of 2023 for many 
popular devices. I don't know if Elecraft has had sufficient parts 
stock for their production, but it is likely that redesigns would be 
needed otherwise (Wayne has commented on this happening on the K4 a 
few times).


I wonder if the "last run of K3 modules" is also affected by this, 
explaining the long lead time on these modules.


Over the years there has been a mix of modifications, partially 
already solved in new production runs, etc. For instance, recently 
learned about the "hardware AGC" mod that I didn't know about - when I 
opened up my radio I found that the "modification" had been fixed in a 
later RF board revision and hence my radio already had this modification.


In that regard, I've suggested that Elecraft gives each K4 hardware 
modification a number, and to put a sticker inside the radio: "mod 01, 
02, 03, 05 done" so one doesn't need to investigate if a mod applies 
to a certain radio revision. I have not seen any hardware mods for K4 
yet, so either they aren't happening (lucky!) or this is handled some 
other way. But, if you buy a radio second-hand, a sticker structurally 
showing what mods have been "done" would have been very nice.


Geert Jan




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Re: [Elecraft] Steve KC6ZKT

[Dynolab]

And with imports aside, we have big output distortion problems with some
rigs built here in the USA.

It is scary to think what many hams would see if they ran a two-tone signal
into their SSB transceivers at full power with a supply voltage of say 11.0
Vdc?

 

Since the semi manufactures stopped making Bipolar RF Power transistors in
the middle of the last decade, most Ham HF transceiver manufactures were
forced into using inferior so-called 12 Volt MOSFETs in their finals. And as
a result, have had great difficulty in meeting even minimal Intermodulation
Distortion (IMD) standards.

Since the disappearance of Bipolar RF power transistors, many HF
transceivers from very reputable manufactures have terrible distortion
problems and if the supply voltage is allowed to drop even a volt or two,
they can end-up splattering all over the band.

Unfortunately, many hams don't have a spectrum analyzer or even the ability
to monitor a two-tone output signal so they don't know they have a problem
while the poor guy down the street is getting stepped on.

So in reality, the responsibility of a clean output signal begins at home
with the manufacture! Particularly here in the USA.

 

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Re: [Elecraft] Field Day Report

[Julia Tuttle]

I think most people mean and understand "CW segment" as shorthand for "a
segment that allows CW and does not allow phone" -- where you'd typically
go to operate CW.

On Mon, Jun 27, 2022 at 5:49 PM Jim Rhodes  wrote:

> Those bands have a CW only band, but otherwise there is no real place that
> CW is NOT allowed. So CW the CW segements are all the amateur bands. Let's
> keep it that way.
>
> On Mon, Jun 27, 2022, 13:45 Fred Jensen  wrote:
>
> > In the US:
> >
> > 50.000 - 50.100 MHz
> > 144.000 - !44.100 MHz
> >
> > 73,
> >
> > Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
> > Sparks NV DM09dn
> > Washoe County
> >
> > Andy Durbin wrote on 6/26/2022 4:51 PM:
> > > "Still, that frenzied fun-house of robotic birdcalls did serve as a
> > convenient marker for the end of each CW segment."
> > >
> > > Which bands have a CW segment?  Did I miss a band plan change?
> > >
> > > Andy, k3wyc
> > >
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Re: [Elecraft] Field Day Report

[Jim Rhodes]

Those bands have a CW only band, but otherwise there is no real place that
CW is NOT allowed. So CW the CW segements are all the amateur bands. Let's
keep it that way.

On Mon, Jun 27, 2022, 13:45 Fred Jensen  wrote:

> In the US:
>
> 50.000 - 50.100 MHz
> 144.000 - !44.100 MHz
>
> 73,
>
> Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
> Sparks NV DM09dn
> Washoe County
>
> Andy Durbin wrote on 6/26/2022 4:51 PM:
> > "Still, that frenzied fun-house of robotic birdcalls did serve as a
> convenient marker for the end of each CW segment."
> >
> > Which bands have a CW segment?  Did I miss a band plan change?
> >
> > Andy, k3wyc
> >
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Re: [Elecraft] Common K3 failure modes???

[Geert Jan de Groot]

On 27/06/2022 20:39, elecraft-requ...@mailman.qth.net wrote:

Four categories:

> 

I didn't want to start a flame fest, but I was trying to find what mods 
one should do as a preventive measure. Buying the input-diodes that fail 
on very strong input signals (discussed on the list) is one thing.
Protecting the LPA amplifier (the extra diodes) is a good and simple 
investment too - took me all of 10 minutes to install them.


Comments about the 8V regulator - I bookmarked these messages, assuming 
that an 7808 voltage regulator should be obtainable.
Thanks for the other comments - I think my radios are now in a 
reasonable shape against known mishaps.


Several other mods (like "gold pins") have been published and should be 
considered known.


Scarcity is another issue, and it's big. Elecraft often uses Microchip 
controllers in their radios (I don't know about the K4. but for older 
models this is true).
I have been trying to buy various Microchip processors for other 
projects and for many, stock has completely dried up with 
www.microchipdirect.com quoting availability end of 2023 for many 
popular devices. I don't know if Elecraft has had sufficient parts stock 
for their production, but it is likely that redesigns would be needed 
otherwise (Wayne has commented on this happening on the K4 a few times).


I wonder if the "last run of K3 modules" is also affected by this, 
explaining the long lead time on these modules.


Over the years there has been a mix of modifications, partially already 
solved in new production runs, etc. For instance, recently learned about 
the "hardware AGC" mod that I didn't know about - when I opened up my 
radio I found that the "modification" had been fixed in a later RF board 
revision and hence my radio already had this modification.


In that regard, I've suggested that Elecraft gives each K4 hardware 
modification a number, and to put a sticker inside the radio: "mod 01, 
02, 03, 05 done" so one doesn't need to investigate if a mod applies to 
a certain radio revision. I have not seen any hardware mods for K4 yet, 
so either they aren't happening (lucky!) or this is handled some other 
way. But, if you buy a radio second-hand, a sticker structurally showing 
what mods have been "done" would have been very nice.


Geert Jan
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Re: [Elecraft] Field Day and FT-8

[Ed Cole]

Ham radio is a TECHNICAL hobby. We are required to pass an exam
demonstrating that we understand the underlying principles, our
privileges are based on our having that understanding, and it is our
LAWFUL responsibility to transmit clean signals.

A major problem is that many hams have never bothered to learn the many
fundamentals of radio, audio, and electronics, stopping after memorizing
only enough Q to pass the exam for their license.

73, Jim K9YC
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Jim,

Have to smile (or cringe) at your observations.  I certainly did not 
have much technical knowledge when I got my first license in 1958 
(Novice at age 14).  And most hams were not wanting to be bothered 
explaining anything to a "kid".


I bought ARRL books and eventually QST from which I absorbed a little 
bit. I used the Q approach to passing exams (even the 2nd Class Radio 
telephone license).


My first antenna was a 40-meter folded dipole made from TV twinlead 
(locally obtainable).  I just soldered a PL-259 onto the twinlead and 
screwed into my DX-35.  Peak-n-dip and I had output.  SWR


I took Elect. Engineering in college and learned a lot of higher math 
ways of designing electronics (but the simple algebraic equations in the 
ARRL Handbook carried my further).  design now involves sw apps.


Starting as a young engineer, I learned enough to know I didn't know 
much about much.  An older mentor provided wise education on many 
things.  But with no desire or ambition to learn; null = null.


The knob thing came from many CBer upgrades to ham radio. Or "More" is 
better.  I am still running into hams that do not know how to solder 
even basic things.  My last 20-years of professional life I was doing 
surface-mount troubleshooting and repairs.  New techs just swap boards.


I use FT8 mostly on 6m.  I noted that audio level had to be adjusted if 
I switched to MSK-144 (both pgms under wsjt-x).  I run a K3.


73, Ed - KL7UW
Note to Wayne: I worked as tech writer with Hughes Aircraft for 2-1/2 
years.  But at age 78 might be a bit late for being employed, again.

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Re: [Elecraft] KX-3 Field and Sea day

[Derek Brown]

Tim,

Wow, that sounds absolutely amazing! Having had grew up in MA and CT (with a 
sailing and boating background) I can easily visualize how totally awesome that 
must have been. Since becoming a ham I have been trying to push my boundaries 
with field ops. You have given me something to aspire to once I leave CO for 
the water again. Great story and appreciate you sharing that experience.

Thanks & 73,

Derek / K0ATV

From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net  on 
behalf of Timothy Gordish via Elecraft 
Sent: Monday, June 27, 2022 1:15 PM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net 
Subject: [Elecraft] KX-3 Field and Sea day

Field day can be less of a social event and more of an adventure if you choose. 
 Having had a week that was too social I decided to go it alone for the 
afternoon in a seaside location.  I loaded up my KX-3 into a dry bag and tossed 
it in my 11.5 foot Shellback wooden dinghy.  From the boat ramp at Barn Island 
CT, I began to row across bay and state lines to Point Napatree Rhode Island, 
but the wind picked up a bit so I set the sail for the remainder of the 2.5 
crossing.

Landing on the beach I strung up my wire using a fishing pole and mast, turned 
the rig power down to 2.5 watts, and discovered that I forgot a headset.  The 
bands on 40 and 20 were QRN free but the QRM from the waves hitting the beach 
sometimes made copy challenging.  I ran for about 4 hours of the event and the 
internal batteries did quite well.  Lithium batteries are the best.

I made 20 contacts using only cw.  One station was drown out by the waves and I 
won’t be able to count it since I got his exchange info garbled.  W1TM 1B RI 
was a heart warming success in my log.  The sail back to the boat as the sun 
headed to the horizon was smooth. My favorite way to play radio!

Tim W1TM
KX-3 #7081
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Re: [Elecraft] Field Day and FT-8

[N4ST - Jim]

New QTH and only a 33-foot vertical for an antenna so far, so wasn't going to 
play Field Day.
Finally broke down and made 50 FT8 contacts in a little over two hours Sunday 
afternoon.
Didn't nano-analyze the signals, but only saw a couple of obvious problem 
signals, mostly 3X audio harmonics .
Some shack room noise being transmitted from a hot mike.
Did notice that a lot of folks insisted on calling on freq instead of operating 
split.

_ 
73,
Jim - N4ST

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Behalf Of Bob McGraw
Sent: Monday, June 27, 2022 12:54
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] Field Day and FT-8

AMEN!

I am using my K3S and P3 to observe the signals.  The antenna is a 4 ele 
yagi at 55 ft, fed with 75 ft of 1/2" Andrew hard-line.

I agree with Jim, the ham community in general has been dumed down in 
order to produce the numbers and dollars.  That's what politicians 
like.  The same thing is happening in our schools and colleges in order 
to get desired passing numbers.

73

Bob, K4TAX

On 6/27/2022 1:39 PM, elecraft-requ...@mailman.qth.net wrote:
> Message: 4
> Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2022 13:21:51 -0700
> From: Jim Brown
> To:elecraft@mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Field Day and FT-8
> Message-ID:
>   
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed
>
> On 6/26/2022 1:07 PM, Lance Collister, W7GJ wrote:
>> I agree that there are a lot of improperly set up radios and improperly
>> set up software programs on the bands!
> Ham radio is a TECHNICAL hobby. We are required to pass an exam
> demonstrating that we understand the underlying principles, our
> privileges are based on our having that understanding, and it is our
> LAWFUL responsibility to transmit clean signals.
>
> A major problem is that many hams have never bothered to learn the many
> fundamentals of radio, audio, and electronics, stopping after memorizing
> only enough Q to pass the exam for their license.
>
> 73, Jim K9YC

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Re: [Elecraft] Friedrichshafen

[Rick Bates, NK7I]

Or making amends...

May be an image of 4 people, people standing and text that says 'Flex 
6700 FlexRadio FlexRadio'



73,
Rick NK7I

On 6/27/2022 10:23 AM, Stephen Craven wrote:

Good time, now for sight seeing !!

Steve N9SC

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[Elecraft] KX-3 Field and Sea day

[Timothy Gordish via Elecraft]

Field day can be less of a social event and more of an adventure if you choose. 
 Having had a week that was too social I decided to go it alone for the 
afternoon in a seaside location.  I loaded up my KX-3 into a dry bag and tossed 
it in my 11.5 foot Shellback wooden dinghy.  From the boat ramp at Barn Island 
CT, I began to row across bay and state lines to Point Napatree Rhode Island, 
but the wind picked up a bit so I set the sail for the remainder of the 2.5 
crossing.  

Landing on the beach I strung up my wire using a fishing pole and mast, turned 
the rig power down to 2.5 watts, and discovered that I forgot a headset.  The 
bands on 40 and 20 were QRN free but the QRM from the waves hitting the beach 
sometimes made copy challenging.  I ran for about 4 hours of the event and the 
internal batteries did quite well.  Lithium batteries are the best.

I made 20 contacts using only cw.  One station was drown out by the waves and I 
won’t be able to count it since I got his exchange info garbled.  W1TM 1B RI 
was a heart warming success in my log.  The sail back to the boat as the sun 
headed to the horizon was smooth. My favorite way to play radio!

Tim W1TM
KX-3 #7081
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Re: [Elecraft] Field Day and FT-8

[Steve KC6ZKT]

On 6/26/22 13:21, Jim Brown wrote:
Ham radio is a TECHNICAL hobby. We are required to pass an exam 
demonstrating that we understand the underlying principles, our 
privileges are based on our having that understanding, and it is our 
LAWFUL responsibility to transmit clean signals.


And yet, who has any power to prevent the importation of tons of 
substandard radio equipment that cannot produce clean signals, or 
receive them under adverse conditions?


A major problem is that many hams have never bothered to learn the many 
fundamentals of radio, audio, and electronics, stopping after memorizing 
only enough Q to pass the exam for their license.
And yet, we need numbers of those people too for public service, 
emergency communication, and general goodwill in the community.


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Re: [Elecraft] Friedrichshafen

[Larry Shapiro]

On a cruise on the way to Vienna now..
Larry k6ro

I walked the swap meet 4 times, and could not fine one piece of elecraft gear …

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> On Jun 27, 2022, at 8:52 PM, David Sumner  wrote:
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> Larry, sorry I missed you! Great event.
> 
> 73, Dave still DL/K1ZZ
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Jun 27, 2022, at 7:26 PM, Stephen Craven  wrote:
>> 
>> Good time, now for sight seeing !!
>> 
>> Steve N9SC
>> 
>> 
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Re: [Elecraft] KX2 on commercial airplane

[Edward Mccann]

Skip, 

I tried telling the TSA guy a little box of electronics and such was for my 
hearing aid.
He thought I was spoofing him and called his supervisor when he asked if it 
received Fox News, and I said not in my house. I explained it was the Bluetooth 
gear for broadcasting TV audio into the earpiece. A little demo for the TSA 
folks was cordial but I almost missed the flight.

One step for man, a giant step for mankind.

Ed McCann
AG6CX

> On Jun 27, 2022, at 11:02 AM, Skip Davis via Elecraft 
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> Bill I haven’t had any problems with having my KX2 in my carry on bag, even 
> with mic and headset along with other interconnecting wires. On my last trip 
> I got flagged because of all the gear. While explaining to the TSA agent 
> about ham radio I actually powered up the KX2 and showed him how it worked, 
> he thought it was pretty neat. 
> By the way it wasn’t the KX2 they wanted to checkout it was something else. 
> 
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[Elecraft] Field Day and FT-8

[Bob McGraw]

AMEN!

I am using my K3S and P3 to observe the signals.  The antenna is a 4 ele 
yagi at 55 ft, fed with 75 ft of 1/2" Andrew hard-line.


I agree with Jim, the ham community in general has been dumed down in 
order to produce the numbers and dollars.  That's what politicians 
like.  The same thing is happening in our schools and colleges in order 
to get desired passing numbers.


73

Bob, K4TAX

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On 6/26/2022 1:07 PM, Lance Collister, W7GJ wrote:

I agree that there are a lot of improperly set up radios and improperly
set up software programs on the bands!

Ham radio is a TECHNICAL hobby. We are required to pass an exam
demonstrating that we understand the underlying principles, our
privileges are based on our having that understanding, and it is our
LAWFUL responsibility to transmit clean signals.

A major problem is that many hams have never bothered to learn the many
fundamentals of radio, audio, and electronics, stopping after memorizing
only enough Q to pass the exam for their license.

73, Jim K9YC


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Re: [Elecraft] Friedrichshafen

[David Sumner]

Larry, sorry I missed you! Great event.

73, Dave still DL/K1ZZ

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> Good time, now for sight seeing !!
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Re: [Elecraft] Field Day Report

[Fred Jensen]

In the US:

50.000 - 50.100 MHz
144.000 - !44.100 MHz

73,

Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County

Andy Durbin wrote on 6/26/2022 4:51 PM:

"Still, that frenzied fun-house of robotic birdcalls did serve as a convenient 
marker for the end of each CW segment."

Which bands have a CW segment?  Did I miss a band plan change?

Andy, k3wyc





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Re: [Elecraft] Common K3 failure modes???

[Fred Jensen]

Four categories:

1. Readily available
2. Difficult to obtain in a timely enough manner for manufacturing/sales
3. Obsolete but marginally available from some sources [see octal-base 
vacuum tube]

4. Unobtanium

73,

Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County

David Gilbert wrote on 6/26/2022 3:26 PM:


Availability of components falls into two categories:

1.  readily available

2.  difficult to get in a timely fashion

3.  obsolete





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Re: [Elecraft] KX2 on commercial airplane

[Skip Davis via Elecraft]

Bill I haven’t had any problems with having my KX2 in my carry on bag, even 
with mic and headset along with other interconnecting wires. On my last trip I 
got flagged because of all the gear. While explaining to the TSA agent about 
ham radio I actually powered up the KX2 and showed him how it worked, he 
thought it was pretty neat. 
By the way it wasn’t the KX2 they wanted to checkout it was something else. 

Skip Davis, NC9O
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Re: [Elecraft] Friedrichshafen

[Stephen Craven]

Good time, now for sight seeing !!

Steve N9SC


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[Elecraft] Friedrichshafen

[Larry Shapiro]

Had to stop by the booth.
Larry k6ro


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