Re: [Elecraft] Configuration of K3 Utility app
~/Library/Preferences/K3UtilPrefs 73, David, W4SMT On Friday, December 15, 2023 at 07:56:16 PM EST, Don Putnick wrote: I'm moving the K3 files from an old MacBook Pro to a new one. They were easy to find in the ~/Library/Applications Support/Elecraft folder. But what about the configuration of the K3 UTILITY itself? In other words, where are the utility terminal/macros stored? Thanks much and Happy Holidays. 73 Don NA6Z __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to df...@yahoo.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
[Elecraft] Configuration of K3 Utility app
I'm moving the K3 files from an old MacBook Pro to a new one. They were easy to find in the ~/Library/Applications Support/Elecraft folder. But what about the configuration of the K3 UTILITY itself? In other words, where are the utility terminal/macros stored? Thanks much and Happy Holidays. 73 Don NA6Z __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 circuit breaker
Hi Mark, The high current condition on the KPA3 (or KPA3A, if newer K3) PA module may arise from a problem in one of the lowpass filter sections if it's not purely an external fault condition. If you have the internal KAT3 ATU, you could try putting a dummy load on the 2nd antenna port and occasionally loading up into that load on the bands on which you have observed the overcurrent condition. If that pops the DC breaker, that's a sure sign a problem exists in one or more of the lowpass filters. I would also check for connector intermittents outside of the K3 antenna connector(s). If you have a transient fault in one of the coax connectors downstream of the rig, you could draw too much current for a short time, sufficient to pop the breaker. I'm leaning toward this possible cause as a first line of investigation - the possible fault in one or more lowpass filters is a less probable cause. 73, Mike, K8CN __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] User's Dilemma
Sorry, Adrian - I hear you but I am not willing to accept that location trumps everything. Sure it costs money to train new techs, and I'm sure it's hard to recruit them, but what is the alternative? Continue to be without a very expensive and essential piece of equipment for weeks/months? 73, Pete N4ZR On 12/15/2023 3:41 PM, KJ7SOY wrote: Pete: I can understand your frustrations. However I think your sentiment that “the current situation needs to be addressed, either in Watsonville or otherwise” doesn’t recognize current global business realities. As background, I lived in Monterey, just down the road from Watsonville, for three years (2013-2016) and I know the area well. Watsonville has a population of about 50,000 and the primary industry (about 80% of the business in the area) is agriculture. People won’t move to small/medium sized agricultural communities because there isn’t a lot there for them, so importing skilled staff isn’t feasible. Domestically there aren’t skilled persons around who could be hired to work on the radios because again it’s primarily an agricultural community. The company itself isn’t large, I understand, and they’re going as fast as they can all the time. With the current global labor shortage it’s close to impossible to hire people in ANY industry, and electronics fabrication and repair is no exception. So basically what you’re saying is the company should buck the global trend and import or train staff who are willing to move to a small agricultural community in north central California to work on skilled electronics repair. It just won’t happen. There IS no way to “address the situation”. This is the global reality in a post COVID world and it behooves us to be patient since it can’t be changed. And FYI, uplifting an entire company and moving elsewhere is simply impractical. And it still won’t address the labor shortage. 73, Adrian K7RJS On Dec 15, 2023, at 12:26 PM, Pete Smith N4ZR wrote: Since I'm the one who started this discussion, let me summarize what I think I've learned. The most effective argument, for me, is the synergy among techs and relatively low marginal cost of adding them in Watsonville, versus working with even established, independent technicians elsewhere. That said, does anyone think it's acceptable to have even a 4-week hold between arrival of the item there and its entering the repair process? Elecraft equipment isn't cheap, and I believe that the current situation needs to be addressed, either in Watsonville or otherwise. 73, Pete N4ZR On 12/15/2023 3:09 PM, Bob McGraw wrote: I can totally agree with Joe, W4TV. At one time I was repairing radios for various companies. I was doing warranty and non-warranty repairs. The companies decided it was cost ineffective to maintain independent repair services. Hence, I no longer repair radios, and no longer have test equipment to do so. There were other reasons as well, but I agree with Joe, W4TV, the expert knowledge base is in Watsonville. 73 Bob, K4TAX On 12/15/2023 11:57 AM,elecraft-requ...@mailman.qth.net wrote: Message: 5 Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2023 13:03:23 -0500 From: "Joe Subich, W4TV" To:elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] User's Dilemma Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed They clearly aren't interested in setting up a third party repair center. Given the cost of setting up and running a second "factory warranty/repair center" it just doesn't make sense. Notice that none of the other radio manufacturers offer duplicate facilities on the east/west coast ... even those that did so at one time have pulled back. The cost of facilities, duplicate test equipment, duplicate spare/repair parts, etc. simply can not be amortized economically across one or two technicians. It's far more efficient to simply add another technician or two (*IF* one can find a qualified tech) "at the mothership". 73, ... Joe, W4TV __ Elecraft mailing list Home:http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help:http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post:mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by:http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list:http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered topete.n...@gmail.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home:http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help:http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post:mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by:http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list:http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered tokj7...@gmail.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help
Re: [Elecraft] User's Dilemma
Flex isn’t cheap either but the wait for non-warranty repair tells Elecrafters waiting; hold my beer. A month minimum, often longer. 73, Rick NK7I > On Dec 15, 2023, at 12:25 PM, Pete Smith N4ZR wrote: > > That said, does anyone think it's acceptable to have even a 4-week hold > between arrival of the item there and its entering the repair process? > Elecraft equipment isn't cheap, and I believe that the current situation > needs to be addressed, either in Watsonville or otherwise. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] User's Dilemma
On 12/15/2023 12:41 PM, KJ7SOY wrote: and the primary industry (about 80% of the business in the area) is agriculture. People won’t move to small/medium sized agricultural communities because there isn’t a lot there for them, so importing skilled staff isn’t feasible. That's a pretty limited description of the Monterey Bay area, which Watsonville roughly centers. Since 2006, I've lived about 20 miles north in the Santa Cruz Mountains. There's a LOT of technical talent around here. Watsonville is 40-50 miles from Silicon Valley, and people from this area commute to, or work remotely for companies based there. The real issues are 1) cost of living -- it ain't cheap to live here, and 2) there's a lot of competition for talent. It's a great place to live, it's also popular with tourists. When I raised the manpower issue with Wayne in direct email several years ago, his response was something like, "have you tried hiring technical talent recently?" > With the current global labor shortage it’s close to impossible to > hire people in ANY industry, and electronics fabrication and repair is > no exception. Yep! 73, Jim K9YC __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] User's Dilemma
Pete: I can understand your frustrations. However I think your sentiment that “the current situation needs to be addressed, either in Watsonville or otherwise” doesn’t recognize current global business realities. As background, I lived in Monterey, just down the road from Watsonville, for three years (2013-2016) and I know the area well. Watsonville has a population of about 50,000 and the primary industry (about 80% of the business in the area) is agriculture. People won’t move to small/medium sized agricultural communities because there isn’t a lot there for them, so importing skilled staff isn’t feasible. Domestically there aren’t skilled persons around who could be hired to work on the radios because again it’s primarily an agricultural community. The company itself isn’t large, I understand, and they’re going as fast as they can all the time. With the current global labor shortage it’s close to impossible to hire people in ANY industry, and electronics fabrication and repair is no exception. So basically what you’re saying is the company should buck the global trend and import or train staff who are willing to move to a small agricultural community in north central California to work on skilled electronics repair. It just won’t happen. There IS no way to “address the situation”. This is the global reality in a post COVID world and it behooves us to be patient since it can’t be changed. And FYI, uplifting an entire company and moving elsewhere is simply impractical. And it still won’t address the labor shortage. 73, Adrian K7RJS > On Dec 15, 2023, at 12:26 PM, Pete Smith N4ZR wrote: > > Since I'm the one who started this discussion, let me summarize what I think > I've learned. The most effective argument, for me, is the synergy among > techs and relatively low marginal cost of adding them in Watsonville, versus > working with even established, independent technicians elsewhere. That said, > does anyone think it's acceptable to have even a 4-week hold between arrival > of the item there and its entering the repair process? Elecraft equipment > isn't cheap, and I believe that the current situation needs to be addressed, > either in Watsonville or otherwise. > > 73, Pete N4ZR > >> On 12/15/2023 3:09 PM, Bob McGraw wrote: >> I can totally agree with Joe, W4TV. At one time I was repairing radios for >> various companies. I was doing warranty and non-warranty repairs. The >> companies decided it was cost ineffective to maintain independent repair >> services. Hence, I no longer repair radios, and no longer have test >> equipment to do so. There were other reasons as well, but I agree with Joe, >> W4TV, the expert knowledge base is in Watsonville. >> >> 73 >> >> Bob, K4TAX >> >> >>> On 12/15/2023 11:57 AM, elecraft-requ...@mailman.qth.net wrote: >>> Message: 5 >>> Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2023 13:03:23 -0500 >>> From: "Joe Subich, W4TV" >>> To:elecraft@mailman.qth.net >>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] User's Dilemma >>> Message-ID: >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed >>> >>> They clearly aren't interested in setting up a third party repair center. >>> Given the cost of setting up and running a second "factory >>> warranty/repair center" it just doesn't make sense. Notice >>> that none of the other radio manufacturers offer duplicate >>> facilities on the east/west coast ... even those that did so >>> at one time have pulled back. >>> >>> The cost of facilities, duplicate test equipment, duplicate >>> spare/repair parts, etc. simply can not be amortized economically >>> across one or two technicians. It's far more efficient to simply >>> add another technician or two (*IF* one can find a qualified tech) >>> "at the mothership". >>> >>> 73, >>> >>> ... Joe, W4TV >> __ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to pete.n...@gmail.com > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to kj7...@gmail.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] User's Dilemma
On 12/15/2023 3:09 PM, Bob McGraw wrote: There were other reasons as well, but I agree with Joe, W4TV, the expert knowledge base is in Watsonville. My cost/benefit analysis did not even consider the knowledge base that exists in Watsonville. Time to repair (TTR) would likely be 15 to 20% longer in a remote/independent facility. The remote facility would not be likely to have access to any repair history (or saved manufacturing configuration files) for the device being repaired that exist in Watsonville nor would technicians in the remote facility have the benefit of the experience (institutional memory) of the more experienced technicians. Again, manufacturers are regularly finding it more cost effective to add repair technicians at a central location (*IF* they can find qualified technicians) than to establish remote maintenance facilities - that has been true for 20 years or more at this point. Unfortunately, Elecraft are in a difficult situation ... they are in a very high cost environment with significant competition for skilled technicians. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 12/15/2023 3:09 PM, Bob McGraw wrote: I can totally agree with Joe, W4TV. At one time I was repairing radios for various companies. I was doing warranty and non-warranty repairs. The companies decided it was cost ineffective to maintain independent repair services. Hence, I no longer repair radios, and no longer have test equipment to do so. There were other reasons as well, but I agree with Joe, W4TV, the expert knowledge base is in Watsonville. 73 Bob, K4TAX On 12/15/2023 11:57 AM, elecraft-requ...@mailman.qth.net wrote: Message: 5 Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2023 13:03:23 -0500 From: "Joe Subich, W4TV" To:elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] User's Dilemma Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed They clearly aren't interested in setting up a third party repair center. Given the cost of setting up and running a second "factory warranty/repair center" it just doesn't make sense. Notice that none of the other radio manufacturers offer duplicate facilities on the east/west coast ... even those that did so at one time have pulled back. The cost of facilities, duplicate test equipment, duplicate spare/repair parts, etc. simply can not be amortized economically across one or two technicians. It's far more efficient to simply add another technician or two (*IF* one can find a qualified tech) "at the mothership". 73, ... Joe, W4TV __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] User's Dilemma
Since I'm the one who started this discussion, let me summarize what I think I've learned. The most effective argument, for me, is the synergy among techs and relatively low marginal cost of adding them in Watsonville, versus working with even established, independent technicians elsewhere. That said, does anyone think it's acceptable to have even a 4-week hold between arrival of the item there and its entering the repair process? Elecraft equipment isn't cheap, and I believe that the current situation needs to be addressed, either in Watsonville or otherwise. 73, Pete N4ZR On 12/15/2023 3:09 PM, Bob McGraw wrote: I can totally agree with Joe, W4TV. At one time I was repairing radios for various companies. I was doing warranty and non-warranty repairs. The companies decided it was cost ineffective to maintain independent repair services. Hence, I no longer repair radios, and no longer have test equipment to do so. There were other reasons as well, but I agree with Joe, W4TV, the expert knowledge base is in Watsonville. 73 Bob, K4TAX On 12/15/2023 11:57 AM, elecraft-requ...@mailman.qth.net wrote: Message: 5 Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2023 13:03:23 -0500 From: "Joe Subich, W4TV" To:elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] User's Dilemma Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed They clearly aren't interested in setting up a third party repair center. Given the cost of setting up and running a second "factory warranty/repair center" it just doesn't make sense. Notice that none of the other radio manufacturers offer duplicate facilities on the east/west coast ... even those that did so at one time have pulled back. The cost of facilities, duplicate test equipment, duplicate spare/repair parts, etc. simply can not be amortized economically across one or two technicians. It's far more efficient to simply add another technician or two (*IF* one can find a qualified tech) "at the mothership". 73, ... Joe, W4TV __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to pete.n...@gmail.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Digest, Vol 236, Issue 8
I disagree. There is the knowledge base which is likely missing. Not to mention unique test fixtures and spare parts required. Spare parts means inventory of replacement boards. One can not effectively or economically do component level troubleshooting with these radios. It is less expensive to build and replace a board than pay a good tech a few hours for troubleshooting. As the say, "I've been there, and I've done that". 73 Bob, K4TAX On 12/15/2023 11:57 AM, elecraft-requ...@mailman.qth.net wrote: Message: 9 Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2023 13:57:33 -0500 From: Pete Smith N4ZR To:elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] User's Dilemma Message-ID:<663c713a-1470-403d-ac80-bd259c84e...@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed If they were starting from scratch, I'd agree, but there are currently-operating independent technicians out here who could be up and running relatively easily. 73, Pete N4ZR __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
[Elecraft] User's Dilemma
I can totally agree with Joe, W4TV. At one time I was repairing radios for various companies. I was doing warranty and non-warranty repairs. The companies decided it was cost ineffective to maintain independent repair services. Hence, I no longer repair radios, and no longer have test equipment to do so. There were other reasons as well, but I agree with Joe, W4TV, the expert knowledge base is in Watsonville. 73 Bob, K4TAX On 12/15/2023 11:57 AM, elecraft-requ...@mailman.qth.net wrote: Message: 5 Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2023 13:03:23 -0500 From: "Joe Subich, W4TV" To:elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] User's Dilemma Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed They clearly aren't interested in setting up a third party repair center. Given the cost of setting up and running a second "factory warranty/repair center" it just doesn't make sense. Notice that none of the other radio manufacturers offer duplicate facilities on the east/west coast ... even those that did so at one time have pulled back. The cost of facilities, duplicate test equipment, duplicate spare/repair parts, etc. simply can not be amortized economically across one or two technicians. It's far more efficient to simply add another technician or two (*IF* one can find a qualified tech) "at the mothership". 73, ... Joe, W4TV __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K4 Remote Lives and Breathes!
This is why Elecraft needs to get serious about having IPv6 support in the K4. Because of stateless auto config, a minimal support would just be to enable stateless auto config on the network interface and provide the ipv6 address on the menu as readonly. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
[Elecraft] K3 circuit breaker
My K3, SN 3091 has popped the 12v circuit breaker. After resetting the breaker everything works well, full power out with about 16A draw at 14Vdc. It has done this twice in the last week. I have been working remotely so not present to see if any other indications of a fault. Has happened on 40M (which has an external antenna tuner) and 20M which has a resonant antenna. Suggestions? Mark. N2QT __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K4 Remote Lives and Breathes!
I was behind a *double* NAT until I got a static IP but in the meantime I setup a reverse SSH tunnel It's been several years since that but it's a real pain to setup and keep connected. Finding a host provider that would permit a reverse tunnel is a challenge, few will do this. John WB5THT On 12/15/2023 11:57 AM, elecraft-requ...@mailman.qth.net wrote: Message: 14 Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2023 15:57:57 +0100 From: Magnus Danielson To:elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K4 Remote Lives and Breathes! Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed This issue is real. A problem is also there is quite many port forward configurations to setup as one setup a station. There is methods to punch through NATs, and I hope one have chosen to use an approach that does this. One is to operate over a VPN that have these abilities. Another is to use a standard tunnel usinging say TLS that also include the punch-through capabilities. Also, IPv6 is starting to replace the IPv4 NAT/CG-NAT hell. It's been a long coming for sure, but there is plenty of signs it is happening. While initial release may be IPv4 limited, IPv6 should be high up on the list of thigns to fix if it is not already handled. This should not be relevant only for the K4, but any device. When wearing another set of hats, I work on these issues. 73 Magnus SA0MAD __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K4 Remote Lives and Breathes!
As (other) Rick says, port forwarding varies between routers; but the two key points to research for your router are: 1) Assign (reserve) the K4 MAC(s) to specific IP addresses, so the K4(s) is/are ALWAYS at the same LAN IP address (reboot the K4). 2) Port forward 9204 to the K4 (only one can be shared with the outside, if more than one K4 on the LAN) IP address. You may want to make sure that a password is made within the K4 (instead of anyone) so you have some access control. If you have (like me) Starlink or other CGNAT using ISP, then it gets more complicated and probably isn't a topic to be discussed on this list. Across my Starlink LAN (I have two LAN), it's working beautifully and should be available 'real soon now' for public beta... have some patience yet while the field test team runs it through it's paces and some spit and polish are applied. 73, Rick nk7i On 12/15/2023 10:25 AM, Rick Tavan wrote: Simplicity is the keynote to K4 Remote. If you have an external IP address, you only have to fill in a few fields to get going. You do have to set up a "port forward" rule in your router in order to make YOUR K4 accessible to remote control ops. All the routers have different web pages to do this but they're pretty simple to navigate. Mostly. ;-) If all you want to do is control remote K4's, you only have to type in their address and, if established, password. It really couldn't be easier. /Rick N6XI __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K4 Remote Lives and Breathes!
Simplicity is the keynote to K4 Remote. If you have an external IP address, you only have to fill in a few fields to get going. You do have to set up a "port forward" rule in your router in order to make YOUR K4 accessible to remote control ops. All the routers have different web pages to do this but they're pretty simple to navigate. Mostly. ;-) If all you want to do is control remote K4's, you only have to type in their address and, if established, password. It really couldn't be easier. /Rick N6XI On 12/15/23 10:08 AM, Lou Laderman wrote: I’m not particularly networking savvy, in fact I’m at the opposite end of networking familiarity. I’ve contacted Wayne a few times to ask that the K4 remote solution (whether K4/K4-0 or VK4 software) follow the KISS principle and make connectivity simple enough for someone like me. I’m hoping I won’t have to try to figure out tunneling, setting up a VPN or any of the other alphabet soup solutions that quickly turn into blah blah blah for me. 73, Lou W0FK Lou Laderman Sent from my mobile device On Dec 15, 2023, at 11:57 AM, Rick Tavan wrote: Thanks, Adrian. I didn't realize how ubiquitous that technique is becoming. I guess I live a sheltered life here in the mountains and, of course, in Silicon Valley. I hope your solutions don't add unacceptable latency. /Rick N6XI On Fri, Dec 15, 2023 at 9:46 AM KJ7SOY wrote: Rick: The problem is not dynamic IP addresses changing. That’s easy to fix. It’s CG-NAT (Carrier Grade Network Address Translation), which doesn’t give you an external world addressable IP address. You can’t assign a DDNS name because you don’t HAVE an IP address to map to. Many carriers (T-Mobile is a perfect example) are now using this approach, which blocks customers from getting to their devices/services from outside their home networks. The only solution is to use a commercial tunneling VPN or a free service like ngrok, which creates a permanent tunnel to external servers which DO have addressable IP addresses. 73, Adrian On Dec 15, 2023, at 9:20 AM, Rick Tavan wrote: Hi, Dave. I don't think it will be much of an issue. With many ISPs, external IP addresses change rarely. If your ISP is changing addresses frequently, consider using a DDNS server like no-ip.com. I have tested K4 Remote using a DDNS string in lieu of a hard-coded WAN address and it works fine. /Rick N6XI On Fri, Dec 15, 2023 at 1:44 AM Dave wrote: Very interesting Rick, thanks for sharing the info. One issue that seems to be increasingly common is that some (many?) ISPs no longer offer a fixed IP address, which K4 Remote currently needs. The system many ISPs are changing to is carrier grade network address translation, it first surfaced in mobile networks, but is spreading to home broadband too as ISPs run out of IPv4 addresses, see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carrier-grade_NAT A way around this is with the use of a central server, which isn't usually free. Remote TX works in this way but uses a Raspberry Pi. I note they support the K3.https://www.remotetx.net/ 73 Dave G4AON __ Elecraft mailing list Home:http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help:http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post:mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by:http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list:http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered torta...@gmail.com -- -- Rick Tavan Truckee and Saratoga, CA __ Elecraft mailing list Home:http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help:http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post:mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by:http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list:http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered tokj7...@gmail.com -- -- Rick Tavan Truckee and Saratoga, CA __ Elecraft mailing list Home:http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help:http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post:mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by:http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list:http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered tollader...@icloud.com -- Rick Tavan, Saratoga & Truckee, CA __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K4 Remote Lives and Breathes!
I’m not particularly networking savvy, in fact I’m at the opposite end of networking familiarity. I’ve contacted Wayne a few times to ask that the K4 remote solution (whether K4/K4-0 or VK4 software) follow the KISS principle and make connectivity simple enough for someone like me. I’m hoping I won’t have to try to figure out tunneling, setting up a VPN or any of the other alphabet soup solutions that quickly turn into blah blah blah for me. 73, Lou W0FK Lou Laderman Sent from my mobile device On Dec 15, 2023, at 11:57 AM, Rick Tavan wrote: Thanks, Adrian. I didn't realize how ubiquitous that technique is becoming. I guess I live a sheltered life here in the mountains and, of course, in Silicon Valley. I hope your solutions don't add unacceptable latency. /Rick N6XI On Fri, Dec 15, 2023 at 9:46 AM KJ7SOY wrote: > Rick: > > The problem is not dynamic IP addresses changing. That’s easy to fix. It’s > CG-NAT (Carrier Grade Network Address Translation), which doesn’t give you > an external world addressable IP address. You can’t assign a DDNS name > because you don’t HAVE an IP address to map to. Many carriers (T-Mobile is > a perfect example) are now using this approach, which blocks customers from > getting to their devices/services from outside their home networks. > > The only solution is to use a commercial tunneling VPN or a free service > like ngrok, which creates a permanent tunnel to external servers which DO > have addressable IP addresses. > > 73, Adrian > > >> On Dec 15, 2023, at 9:20 AM, Rick Tavan wrote: >> >> Hi, Dave. I don't think it will be much of an issue. With many ISPs, >> external IP addresses change rarely. If your ISP is changing addresses >> frequently, consider using a DDNS server like no-ip.com. I have tested > K4 >> Remote using a DDNS string in lieu of a hard-coded WAN address and it > works >> fine. >> >> /Rick N6XI >> >>> On Fri, Dec 15, 2023 at 1:44 AM Dave wrote: >>> >>> Very interesting Rick, thanks for sharing the info. >>> >>> One issue that seems to be increasingly common is that some (many?) > ISPs no >>> longer offer a fixed IP address, which K4 Remote currently needs. The >>> system many ISPs are changing to is carrier grade network address >>> translation, it first surfaced in mobile networks, but is spreading to > home >>> broadband too as ISPs run out of IPv4 addresses, see: >>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carrier-grade_NAT >>> >>> A way around this is with the use of a central server, which isn't > usually >>> free. Remote TX works in this way but uses a Raspberry Pi. I note they >>> support the K3. https://www.remotetx.net/ >>> >>> 73 Dave G4AON >>> __ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to rta...@gmail.com >>> >> >> >> -- >> -- >> >> Rick Tavan >> Truckee and Saratoga, CA >> __ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to kj7...@gmail.com > -- -- Rick Tavan Truckee and Saratoga, CA __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to llader...@icloud.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K4 Remote Lives and Breathes!
* On 2023 15 Dec 11:47 -0600, KJ7SOY wrote: > Rick: > > The problem is not dynamic IP addresses changing. That’s easy to fix. > It’s CG-NAT (Carrier Grade Network Address Translation), which doesn’t > give you an external world addressable IP address. You can’t assign a > DDNS name because you don’t HAVE an IP address to map to. Many > carriers (T-Mobile is a perfect example) are now using this approach, > which blocks customers from getting to their devices/services from > outside their home networks. > > The only solution is to use a commercial tunneling VPN or a free > service like ngrok, which creates a permanent tunnel to external > servers which DO have addressable IP addresses. I faced such a dilemma some years back when it looked as though we would need to rely on a cellular router for an ISP. Fortunately, that didn't become a permanent solution. My solution was setting up an AWS instance to which I set up a reverse SSH tunnel from home and then I could SSH to it from elsewhere and connect to the reverse tunnel. Conceptually it's somewhat like a VPN only it had some manual steps in place. I now have a similar setup from a Raspberry Pi running AllStar at a repeater site that connects to a local system and sets up an SSH reverse tunnel end point. I did try to set up a Wire Guard VPN a few years back but had no luck Perhaps I need to revisit that idea since things have had a few years to mature, including me! 73, Nate, N0NB -- "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true." Web: https://www.n0nb.us Projects: https://github.com/N0NB GPG fingerprint: 82D6 4F6B 0E67 CD41 F689 BBA6 FB2C 5130 D55A 8819 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K4 Remote Lives and Breathes!
Thanks, Adrian. I didn't realize how ubiquitous that technique is becoming. I guess I live a sheltered life here in the mountains and, of course, in Silicon Valley. I hope your solutions don't add unacceptable latency. /Rick N6XI On Fri, Dec 15, 2023 at 9:46 AM KJ7SOY wrote: > Rick: > > The problem is not dynamic IP addresses changing. That’s easy to fix. It’s > CG-NAT (Carrier Grade Network Address Translation), which doesn’t give you > an external world addressable IP address. You can’t assign a DDNS name > because you don’t HAVE an IP address to map to. Many carriers (T-Mobile is > a perfect example) are now using this approach, which blocks customers from > getting to their devices/services from outside their home networks. > > The only solution is to use a commercial tunneling VPN or a free service > like ngrok, which creates a permanent tunnel to external servers which DO > have addressable IP addresses. > > 73, Adrian > > > > On Dec 15, 2023, at 9:20 AM, Rick Tavan wrote: > > > > Hi, Dave. I don't think it will be much of an issue. With many ISPs, > > external IP addresses change rarely. If your ISP is changing addresses > > frequently, consider using a DDNS server like no-ip.com. I have tested > K4 > > Remote using a DDNS string in lieu of a hard-coded WAN address and it > works > > fine. > > > > /Rick N6XI > > > >> On Fri, Dec 15, 2023 at 1:44 AM Dave wrote: > >> > >> Very interesting Rick, thanks for sharing the info. > >> > >> One issue that seems to be increasingly common is that some (many?) > ISPs no > >> longer offer a fixed IP address, which K4 Remote currently needs. The > >> system many ISPs are changing to is carrier grade network address > >> translation, it first surfaced in mobile networks, but is spreading to > home > >> broadband too as ISPs run out of IPv4 addresses, see: > >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carrier-grade_NAT > >> > >> A way around this is with the use of a central server, which isn't > usually > >> free. Remote TX works in this way but uses a Raspberry Pi. I note they > >> support the K3. https://www.remotetx.net/ > >> > >> 73 Dave G4AON > >> __ > >> Elecraft mailing list > >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > >> Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > >> > >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > >> Message delivered to rta...@gmail.com > >> > > > > > > -- > > -- > > > > Rick Tavan > > Truckee and Saratoga, CA > > __ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to kj7...@gmail.com > -- -- Rick Tavan Truckee and Saratoga, CA __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] User's Dilemma
AFAIK, ML have never officially repaired Elecraft products. You may be confusing them with Waters & Stanton. W were the main UK agents for Elecraft when the K4 was about to be launched, but IMO their projected prices were far too high, especially for the internal tuner. AFAIK W lost their only (Elecraft) qualified engineer, ISTR sometime around when they moved premises and merged with other companies. The move may be the reason for the engineer not going with them. They never recovered their facility and although they were still advertising Elecraft products (K4 included) they didn’t appear to have any, only old stock. I can’t remember whether it was Wayne or Eric who announced a short while back that some negotiations were taking place with Moonraker. You’d have to ask them for progress news. The VAT situation in the UK for overseas repairs is an absolute farce, but nobody seems to have the inclination, time or money to take on a government department, knowing that they would most likely not win. I don’t use my internal xverter in my K3S much either and as it’s not easily transferable to the K4, I’ll be selling it as part of the K3S/P3. I wouldn’t be sending my K3S across the pond for a rotary encoder either. Fortunately, I have quite an advantage in that I’ve been a service engineer and programmer in the past for major companies selling various unrelated products and I have an SMD workstation and anti-static facility, so I have no real worries about carrying out my own repairs. I guess the most difficult part is obtaining obscure components. 73, Alan - G4GNX South Coast UK Elecraft K4D / KPA500 / KAT500 / IC-9700 > On 15 Dec 2023, at 15:07, Richard Corfield wrote: > > I thought ML serviced Elecraft in the UK. Sad that that's gone. My > experience with my KX3 was to send it to America. This was pre-Brexit, so... > > It was sent to America for repair of a rotary encoder and addition of the > 2m module back in 2019. This was a paperwork nightmare as I had to export > it as goods for repair, and it had to come back with the right paperwork to > connect it to my export in order that I don't pay import duties and taxes > on over £1000 worth of radio! I had to find the original receipt from the > original owner so that Elecraft on returning it could be sure to prove that > tax had been paid on the radio in the UK. The paperwork I filled in is > designed for goods export for sale, and I ended up writing on it in large > letters something like TEMPORARY EXPORT FOR REPAIR. > > It came back I think without the 2m module installed (my emails to UPS are > about it having a significant part missing), though it looks like I may > have paid VAT on that (I can find a VAT bill for £85 which implies an item > cost of £425 which would be the repair, parts, 2m module and shipping > > It was sent to repair in Italy for uniting with the 2m module and > calibration. We were in the EU at the time so this was easy. I imagine the > experience now we are out of the EU would be like the experience I had > sending to America. > > In retrospect I've not used the 2m module that much. I'll have to get out > for more UKAC contests with it, but family is keeping me very busy at the > moment. I think the filter module would be a good purchase for my use of > the radio for CW. > > The rotary encoder failed again, and I repaired it myself this time. It was > easier to risk my repair skills on a >£1000 radio than go through that > shipping/customs polava again. The original repair with Elecraft did allow > for the radio to be thoroughly checked over and any other needed updates to > be made, which was good. > > - Richard > __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K4 Remote Lives and Breathes!
Rick: The problem is not dynamic IP addresses changing. That’s easy to fix. It’s CG-NAT (Carrier Grade Network Address Translation), which doesn’t give you an external world addressable IP address. You can’t assign a DDNS name because you don’t HAVE an IP address to map to. Many carriers (T-Mobile is a perfect example) are now using this approach, which blocks customers from getting to their devices/services from outside their home networks. The only solution is to use a commercial tunneling VPN or a free service like ngrok, which creates a permanent tunnel to external servers which DO have addressable IP addresses. 73, Adrian > On Dec 15, 2023, at 9:20 AM, Rick Tavan wrote: > > Hi, Dave. I don't think it will be much of an issue. With many ISPs, > external IP addresses change rarely. If your ISP is changing addresses > frequently, consider using a DDNS server like no-ip.com. I have tested K4 > Remote using a DDNS string in lieu of a hard-coded WAN address and it works > fine. > > /Rick N6XI > >> On Fri, Dec 15, 2023 at 1:44 AM Dave wrote: >> >> Very interesting Rick, thanks for sharing the info. >> >> One issue that seems to be increasingly common is that some (many?) ISPs no >> longer offer a fixed IP address, which K4 Remote currently needs. The >> system many ISPs are changing to is carrier grade network address >> translation, it first surfaced in mobile networks, but is spreading to home >> broadband too as ISPs run out of IPv4 addresses, see: >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carrier-grade_NAT >> >> A way around this is with the use of a central server, which isn't usually >> free. Remote TX works in this way but uses a Raspberry Pi. I note they >> support the K3. https://www.remotetx.net/ >> >> 73 Dave G4AON >> __ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to rta...@gmail.com >> > > > -- > -- > > Rick Tavan > Truckee and Saratoga, CA > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to kj7...@gmail.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K4 Remote Lives and Breathes!
Hi, Dave. I don't think it will be much of an issue. With many ISPs, external IP addresses change rarely. If your ISP is changing addresses frequently, consider using a DDNS server like no-ip.com. I have tested K4 Remote using a DDNS string in lieu of a hard-coded WAN address and it works fine. /Rick N6XI On Fri, Dec 15, 2023 at 1:44 AM Dave wrote: > Very interesting Rick, thanks for sharing the info. > > One issue that seems to be increasingly common is that some (many?) ISPs no > longer offer a fixed IP address, which K4 Remote currently needs. The > system many ISPs are changing to is carrier grade network address > translation, it first surfaced in mobile networks, but is spreading to home > broadband too as ISPs run out of IPv4 addresses, see: > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carrier-grade_NAT > > A way around this is with the use of a central server, which isn't usually > free. Remote TX works in this way but uses a Raspberry Pi. I note they > support the K3. https://www.remotetx.net/ > > 73 Dave G4AON > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to rta...@gmail.com > -- -- Rick Tavan Truckee and Saratoga, CA __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] User's Dilemma
I thought ML serviced Elecraft in the UK. Sad that that's gone. My experience with my KX3 was to send it to America. This was pre-Brexit, so... It was sent to America for repair of a rotary encoder and addition of the 2m module back in 2019. This was a paperwork nightmare as I had to export it as goods for repair, and it had to come back with the right paperwork to connect it to my export in order that I don't pay import duties and taxes on over £1000 worth of radio! I had to find the original receipt from the original owner so that Elecraft on returning it could be sure to prove that tax had been paid on the radio in the UK. The paperwork I filled in is designed for goods export for sale, and I ended up writing on it in large letters something like TEMPORARY EXPORT FOR REPAIR. It came back I think without the 2m module installed (my emails to UPS are about it having a significant part missing), though it looks like I may have paid VAT on that (I can find a VAT bill for £85 which implies an item cost of £425 which would be the repair, parts, 2m module and shipping It was sent to repair in Italy for uniting with the 2m module and calibration. We were in the EU at the time so this was easy. I imagine the experience now we are out of the EU would be like the experience I had sending to America. In retrospect I've not used the 2m module that much. I'll have to get out for more UKAC contests with it, but family is keeping me very busy at the moment. I think the filter module would be a good purchase for my use of the radio for CW. The rotary encoder failed again, and I repaired it myself this time. It was easier to risk my repair skills on a >£1000 radio than go through that shipping/customs polava again. The original repair with Elecraft did allow for the radio to be thoroughly checked over and any other needed updates to be made, which was good. - Richard On Fri, 15 Dec 2023 at 07:56, Doug Turnbull wrote: > Dear OMs, > The problem is that radio prices would almost certainly need to go up > to give the dealer a margin after his/her own expenses. > >An independent service facility would be nice but is there adequate > business in this?Not so sure we in EI could easily use a UK service > facility. I prefer to ship to California than Italy. The cost of > shipping to Italy may not be so wildly different than the cost of > California freight. Have a friend who lost a SPE 2K FA in shipping to Rome > and received no compensation. > > It is a problem for sure. I have always dealt directly with the > factory and have been fortunate.A conundrum for sure. Enjoy your > Elecraft. Be careful and pray. > > 73 Doug EI2CN > > > __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K4 Remote Lives and Breathes!
This issue is real. A problem is also there is quite many port forward configurations to setup as one setup a station. There is methods to punch through NATs, and I hope one have chosen to use an approach that does this. One is to operate over a VPN that have these abilities. Another is to use a standard tunnel usinging say TLS that also include the punch-through capabilities. Also, IPv6 is starting to replace the IPv4 NAT/CG-NAT hell. It's been a long coming for sure, but there is plenty of signs it is happening. While initial release may be IPv4 limited, IPv6 should be high up on the list of thigns to fix if it is not already handled. This should not be relevant only for the K4, but any device. When wearing another set of hats, I work on these issues. 73 Magnus SA0MAD On 2023-12-15 10:42, Dave wrote: Very interesting Rick, thanks for sharing the info. One issue that seems to be increasingly common is that some (many?) ISPs no longer offer a fixed IP address, which K4 Remote currently needs. The system many ISPs are changing to is carrier grade network address translation, it first surfaced in mobile networks, but is spreading to home broadband too as ISPs run out of IPv4 addresses, see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carrier-grade_NAT A way around this is with the use of a central server, which isn't usually free. Remote TX works in this way but uses a Raspberry Pi. I note they support the K3. https://www.remotetx.net/ 73 Dave G4AON __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to mag...@rubidium.se __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K4 Remote Lives and Breathes!
Very interesting Rick, thanks for sharing the info. One issue that seems to be increasingly common is that some (many?) ISPs no longer offer a fixed IP address, which K4 Remote currently needs. The system many ISPs are changing to is carrier grade network address translation, it first surfaced in mobile networks, but is spreading to home broadband too as ISPs run out of IPv4 addresses, see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carrier-grade_NAT A way around this is with the use of a central server, which isn't usually free. Remote TX works in this way but uses a Raspberry Pi. I note they support the K3. https://www.remotetx.net/ 73 Dave G4AON __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
