Re: [Elecraft] P3 VGA - How to use it
Ah, just wait. Aptos will be showing the P3 VGA-TS, for Touch Screen interface ;) tom k8tb On 3/27/2012 9:40 PM, ai6ii wrote: Impressive as the P3 Large Screen version is to look at, I wonder what it is like to use. That is, with the P3 and mini screen, my eyes are viewing the screen and the controls in close proximity. I can watch my finger press the FN3 (set to center the MRK A), __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Remote Rig without local K3 ?
Jim, If one K3 is at the remote site, you can easily run it using the RemoteTRig and HRD. I was doing that for quite a few years. Once you get your second K3, and have that at your house, you can continue to run the remote K3 the same way, or have the local K3 control it. If you never plan to actually need to operate the 2nd K3, it would be cheaper to buy the K3/0. My excuse? I have to buy the K3/0, as local K3 is being taken over by in shack QRM from K8AJ ! tom k8tb On 2/24/2012 12:08 AM, Jim Miller KG0KP wrote: I am considering a second K3 and wondering if I can use the Remoterig system with a computer and HRD/DM780 but without the K3 or K3-0 on the local end until I can afford the second K3 or do I need to wait until I can get the second radio? Will it do digital as well or is there timing or something from the local rig required for the digital operation? Thanks es 73, de Jim KG0KP __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3/0
Thor, Elecraft was hoping to have the K3/0 on the web site last week, and they apologized about missing last week, and they now hope it is this week. I am fortunate in that I have two K3's, one at my remote site and one locally at home. When Elecraft came out with the firmware to link the two, well, I felt like a 5 year old year. I had the total control of the K3 remote. I had been using HRd and TRX. Nice programs, but hard to beat twisting the knobs. Hang in there, should be real soon. tom K8TB __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Fw: HRD for rig control
If you are using a RemoteRIg type of remote control, you may have a problem in turning the K3 on by remote control if there is a power failure at the remote site. At my site, I have a multi channel remote control that connects to the ACC pin 8, so I can turn it on from anywhere. However, I have another site that I am looking at putting a K3 at (I haven't run out of excuses yet!) At that site, I am going to have a simple SPDT 12 vdc relay, with the coil connected to the accessory 12 vdc jack on the back of the K3. This is powered by the K3 on/off circuit. Then tie the comman contact of this relay to your incoming PTT control lead (coming from the RemoteRig box if you would). Tie the normally closed contact to the pin 8 of the ACC jack. Tie the normally open contact to your K3 PTT lead. Now, if the K3 is off, the relay is relaxed, and when you key your local mic at home, the PTT signal will trigger the K3 on circuit. The relay pulls in, and the PTT lead now controls the K3. tom k8tb On 1/17/2012 4:26 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: Miguel, The K3 can be powered off by software command - send it PS0; to turn off. The K3 cannot respond to commands while it is powered off, but you can pull the Remote Power On pin to ground by some other external device (ACC pin 8) then the K3 will turn on. If the software you are using implements the PS0; command, you can turn the K3 power off. I do not know if HRD implements that command or not. 73, Don W3FPR __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 - remote (revenue opportunity?)
Iain, I sometimes run an SDR-IQ tied to the IF of my remote K3. I am using UltraVnc when I do this (rig control and audio is with the RemoteRig). With a half size window, I am OK with buffering etc, but if myself or my wife loads a largish web page, I get audio stuttering on the remoterig. I am looking to put a router behind my ATT Uverse router, so that I an prioritize the audio and remote control packets. I have to turn the computer on at the remote site to run the SDR-IQ software of course. But the display is nice to have. And thats my excuse :) tom k8tb with 2 k3's and a k3/0 on deck... On Tue, 17 Jan 2012 11:34:20 -0800, iain macdonnell - N6ML wrote: VNC isn't really usable for something as graphically-intensive as a panadapter display. I run CW Skimmer on my remote station, accessed with VNC, and have to keep the window very small to prevent the VNC session from choking, and I have Mbps of bandwidth. I've been toying with the idea of trying to tunnel the I/Q audio over a stream and rendering it in a panadapter / skimmer instance running at the control point, but haven't gotten around to trying it. ~iain / N6ML __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3/0
Gregg, If you are using a local (in shack) K3 to control the remote K3, then the answer is no, that local K3 is now just a control head for the remote K3. With the K3/0, this will be a seperate box, and if you have a local and a remote K3, then you will be able to use both at once, if you have a K3/0 in the shack along side the local K3. I am looking forward to this. I am crrently using my local K3 to control the remote K3. Works amazingly well. Really nice to turn knobs and push buttons, rather than pushing a mopuse around, which I've done for three years. The K3/0 is supposed to be anounced within a few weeks. tom bosscher K8TB On Mon, 16 Jan 2012 11:20:48 -0500, Gregg Marco W6IZT wrote: With the K3 remote functionality, will it be possible to receive on the remote K3 and transmit on the local K3? Gregg W6IZT __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] open wire feeders
I have a balanced fed balanced length dipole. The dipole sits atop 40' of rope guyed fiberglass pole. 55 feet on each side. About 45 feet of 450 ohm balanced line comes into the far end of the back side of the house into one of my 7 , um, junk/storage rooms! There I have a 4:1 balun, which then hits a LDG RT-11 antenna tuner. The RT-11 is a remote controlled tuner. A little control sits in the shack. I tap the tune button on the K3, tap the tune button on the little LDG box and the tuner works. I don't know what the experts or Enzec says about this antenna, but I'll tell you that it works, and very well. So much so that I have a second copy of it in a plastic box in the garage that is used on field day. Anyone who uses that antenna at field day is very impressed. I have about 60 feet of rg-8x from the shack to the remote antenna tuner. Zero RF in the shack, ever. No chokes on any feed line. And it has worked K5C and VP6DX and others on all bands from 80 to 10. I have no idea how the success ratio is divided between the antenna and K3! Now, maybe we can build a simple interface to the KAT500 tuner to convert its need to communicate to the K3 to a balanced rs-485 configuration. That would allow us to remote the tuner hundreds of feet. I would then use that at my remote base site. But that antenna does work. Tom K8TB __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Elecraft] K3 MCU 4.47 Merry Christmas to me!
So I go to have a holiday lunch with a bunch of hams, and I sit across from fellow K3'r Paul, NF8J. We are a talking away, and I mention something about my remote base, and Paul tells me (I've been off this reflector for a while), that the K3 can now work with the RemoteRig. I was a little puzzled, as I use the RemoteRig with my K3, driving the home unit with my home computer and a copy of TRX. Nope Paul sez, there was something on the reflector. So I come home, and read up on firmware 4.47. Well, let's update both K3's, the one at home and the one at the remote base. Update the RemoteRig firmware at both ends, and then make up a simple rs-232 null-modem cable. Well, look at this. No mouse mouse dragging. Turn this knob, and the remote site K3 totally obeys. *This Is Way Cool!* Wayne, Eric et al, thank you for the Christmas Present. Now, the only problem is with K8AJ wanting to use it. Hmmm. 73 to all, de tom bosscher K8TB p.s., Eric and Wayne, I would LOVE to be able to buy just a front panel with a simple rs-232 interface, so I can use the remote base while K8AJ uses the local K3. Or the other way around if she wants to. :) __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 remote operation
Bill, I have a K3 that sits 13 miles away from me. It remotes very well. There are several ways to remote the K3, or any rig. You can use a computer at the remote site, and use Logmein or the likes for controlling the computer and then use Skype or IP Sound for audio. That works, but there are practical limitations. I use the Remote Rig 1258MkII, made in Sweden. http://www.remoterig.com/ I then use either Ham Radio Deluxe or TRX to drive the Remote Rig which then talks to the K3.. The nice thing about the Remote Rig, is that you really don't need a computer at the remote site. Here, with electricity around 8 cents/khw, leaving a computer on 24/7 will cost around $ 60 a year. Also, the Remote rig has its own audio path, essentially 3 channels of data/rs-232, and, most important to me, a dedicated PTT line. I like to use a hand switch (old nurse call button) or the foot switch, Right now the K3 is only on 6 meters. I have a 40 foot tower with a M2 5 element on it, but the tower is on the highest hill in the area, whereas I live at river height, about 350 feet lower. By trade I am a radio broadcast engineer, so I remote control a lot of stuff. I can turn the computer at the site on and off, switch audio and control around, from home, or if I am on the road, from my laptop. Best story is when I was in Texas on work once (I am in Michigan), and I listened into my remote from Texas, and six was open to Texas. But, I head K8AJ working the Texans, so I called her. Freaked her out! (K8AJ is my lovely wife, who bought me my first Elecraft for my 50th birthday!). If your friend or anyone else has any questions using the Remote Rig with the K3, I would be very happy to help off list. Tom K8TB On 2/13/2010 11:13 PM, NZ0T wrote: I have a friend that is considering the K3, Omni VII and the FT-2000. Easy remote operation is important to him. I think he prefers the K3 but I can't help him with how easy it is to remote with the K3 as I haven't tried it nor do I have any interest. I would appreciate any input that I can forward on to him. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Elecraft] For Sale: Elecraft K2 DSP Card KDSP2
I have a KDSP2 card for the K2 for sale. I have the manual, and I will sell it for $ 170, including shipping via USPS, to the US and Canada only. I take Paypal. Please contact me off list. Tom K8TB __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] For Sale: Elecraft K2 DSP Card KDSP2... Is Sold
The KDSP2 has been sold, thank you ... tom K8TB __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Ethernet to Serial Converter
Lyle, I have tried out a pair of these, and hope to have them in service real soon. A pair of boxes is around $ 400 US, and has bi-directional audio, two (2) sets of rs-232 and built in PTT contact closure. That dedicated PTT is very nice as with most remote base operations you have to keep clicking on the PTT buttons on the remote screen to assert PTT. I prefer a hand or foot switch. I have a K3 that sits about 14 miles away from my house, that is the highest point around, just for a 6 meter ssb remote base. I have a M2 5 element beam up 40 feet, and that hill puts that antenna 350 feet above my head. I use HRD and TRX for remote control. With the RemoteRig box, (each box is the size of a packet TNC), you do not really need a PC at the remote site. I still will, as I decode the digital signals there (FSK411/wsjt etc). Once I have the boxes in place, I will report more on them. But the price/benefit ratio is very good. And they work very well with the K3, which is the important part! Lyle Johnson wrote: See URL:http://new.remoterig.com/en/index.htm Their solution includes data and audio over Ethernet. They also mention support for CW. I've never tried the product, but it looks intriguing... 73, Lyle KK7P __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] [K3] K3 Distorted Sound while using AM, now, speaking of AM..
Speaking of AM. There is a group that runs a weekly AM net on 50.400 here in West Michigan. Almost all are using vintage tube gear, which is OK, but I would like to check in with the K3. Right now, all I have is the 2.7 KHz SSB filter, and I can listen to them, but these radios are many times 2-4 kHz off frequency, so I have to tune around. Time to get a filter so I can transmit. So would I do better in listening and transmitting with the 6 or the 13 Khz filter? I won't have the low band interference like I would on 75. And doesn't the K3 limit the audio response on TX to around 3 Khz? Anyone else spend any amount of time on 6 AM? 73 de tom K8TB __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] P3 Photo
My only advice before it goes to production: Make the cabinet 1 wider, and stack some band buttons there. Maybe 2 wider with a bunch of programmable buttons that we can forget what they are programmed for. Loop the rs-232 signal through this box to send the band change commands. And then it will be the P3AAA ! tom bosscher K8TB __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] [LP-PAN] Re: K3 Overload from WYFR
An AM station can easily produce buckshot to 40-50 kcs's out. The reason you don't hear it very often in the US, is that on the standard AM band, the AM stations are very bandwidth limited. The NRSC curve is rather tight, and every AM station has to certify it is within that mask every 14 months or so. I'm not sure of this, but I think US shortwave stations are not required to have any NRSC type filtering. Hence, the buckshot can go a long ways. Disconnect the LP-PAN, and measure/estimate the signal strength of the buckshot at, say, 7005. Now, turn on the attenuator. If the level of the buckshot drops by the level of the attenuator, then the radio station is producing the buckshot. If the attenuated level drops 2 to 5 times more than the added attenuation, that then shows that the K3 is overloading. My Sunday night guess? The station is producing the buckshot. Just an increase of .3 Db drive after the audio limiter can make just about any transmitter produce garbage. Tom Bosscher K8TB broadcast engineer for 3.5 decades... Steve Ellington wrote: Lyle: Yes I do believe the LP-PAN is being overloaded but still, I do hear that buckshot modulation from WYFR up to about 7010kHz on the K3 so it too is being affected although not as much. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 remote control
Art, It looks like you have a pc at the remote site. What you need is a parallel relay board, like this one: http://www.electronickits.com/kit/complete/elec/ck1601.htm . Wire up one of the relays to the remote on pin of the K3. You will find out that most cpu's will trigger all the relays on when you power up, and the relays will stay on, until driven by a program. The really good news is that Simon has a program to control the parallel port in his HRD program. Its called parallel control! You can now use those other relays to control antenna relays and the like at the site. I use the parallel program to turn the K3 on, and switch antennas. I use HRD and IpSound. Works OK. But I am looking at the device made in Sweden, the RemoteRig. If you have a Kenwood TS-480, the control head is actually at your remote (office in your case) location. Now, we just have to get Elecraft to produce a K3 front panel that sends out all the front panel commands as an RS-232 string, and then I could have the feel of the K3 at home. BTW, my second K3 is used only as a 6 meter SSB/digital modes remote base. tom K8TB k...@aol.com wrote: I'm setting up my station to be able to remotely operate from the office (yes from work!). I have a web power switch that allows me to turn equipment on and off via the internet. But it appears that isn't the recommended method for the K3. The K3 manual?has a reference to turning the radio's power on and off remotely by grounding pin 7 on the ACC connector.Then the manual states that the controller must send the K3 a PS0 remote control command via the RS232 interface. Then deactivate the POWER ON signal. Has anyone had any experience in doing this? In particular, what is the basic code to send the 'PS0 mentioned? __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Elecraft] K3 xv144 vx432 question
So if one were to buy an XV144, and a XV432, could they be tied into a K3 with a sub receiver so you can operate full duplex, to work the satellites? I would just love to see a K3 work with SATPC32 or HRD to do the birds. tom K8TB __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3: N1MM for Field Day
If I may, there is a very simple, yet effective field day only logging program: http://www.qsl.net/kc8opv/squirl-fd/ Very free. Run it on old laptops, it works just fine. tom K8TB p.s., runs very well with K1's, K2's and K3's :) __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Elecraft] OT, but not really...
Make sure you check out Google today. It's somebodies birthday. de tom K8TB __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Whaddayaknow... passed the Extra...OT
I've taught two general and two extra class classes. I love doing it. I've also taught the tech class's, but the general and extra are fun. Those taking the class get very committed to not failing their classmates. Last Extra class I had 10 students, all ten took and passed, including one ham who is blind. One of the best nights I've ever had in ham radio. And yes, when asked about rigs, Elecraft comes up first! tom bosscher K8TB __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] remote on off of K3
Don, Wayne has the answer on how to turn the K3 off via remote control. Are you going to operate the K3 in the shack, or at a remote base? If a remote base, there are other items you should look at. The number one guarantee is that something will lock up. I had an old Windows 2000 PC with too little memory, and it locked up on me with HRD DM-780 transmitting PSK on 6 meters. At 50 watts. It took me 45 minutes to get to the site. The K3 was just fine. Course, the remote shack was at 20 degrees F ! But at a remote base site, things happen. I Installed a router at the site, that takes a redirected port to an AC power box, a IP Power 9258. One good news/bad news about this box is that it does not remember what state the relays were in if there is a power failure. I have other larger and more expensive units I use at remote broadcast transmitters sites that remember the power state. With the router and this AC box, I can cycle the power to the computer, and to the Astron power supply that feeds the K3. In any remote base location, make sure you modify the BIOS so that the cpu power is in the last state. That is, if the cpu is on, and the AC drops, it will power back up. Now, how to get the K3 back on? Been there ;) Buy a cheap parallel port relay board, like this one: http://www.electronickits.com/kit/complete/elec/ck1601.htm . Wire up one of the relays to the remote on pin of the K3. You will find out that most cpu's will trigger all the relays on when you power up, and the relays will stay on, until driven by a program. The really good news is that Simon has a program to control the parallel port in his HRD program. Its called parallel control! You can now use those other relays to control antenna relays and the like at the site. And the last thing I installed was a digital Intermatic timer, # DT-17C. Everyday at 2am, I have it drop the power to my remote base rack for 1 minute. This resets the router, which if it locks up, you are in for a long trip. In my case, when the power comes back 1 minute later, the AC controller does not supply power to the computer or the K3 power supply, so they stay off until I command them so via that controller. This works well, keeps the cpu and K3 off when I'm not using it, which keeps the power cost down. (My remote base is at a repeater site, of which a club pays for the power, so we want to keep that power bill down). So I can dial up the site, turn on the K3, and run it using HRD. Works very well. tom K8TB Don Greenbaum wrote: Just downloaded HRD and it controls the radio just fine, HOWEVER, there is no CAT connection when the radio is off rendering HRD useless from a remote location. Anyone know how to remotely turn on the K3 from the desktop? (I use logmein to see it). __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Elecraft] K2 Items for sale, KPA100,KDSP2, more
It was a snowy Michigan Sunday afternoon. I was digging around for something in one of 87 storage areas in the basement, when I came across a box of items leftover from the K2's that I owned. What I have for sale: KPA100 amplifier mounted inside EC2 enclosure. Built. Includes manual, DC power cord, BNC to BNC double shielded cable to connect the KPA100 to the K2, special DB-9 cable to connect KPA100 to the K2, and a very special 3 way DB-9 adapter, that plugs into the K2, and has three separate pigtails to go to your shack computer, the KPA100, and a XV transvertor if you have one. Avoids that Oh-oh moment of plugging in a full RS-232 DB-9 into the K2. I will sell this package for $ 300, plus $ 15.00 for shipping and insurance. U.S. and Canada sales only please. KDSP2, built, $ 160 plus $ 5 shipping/insurance. KNB2 unbuilt, $ 25 plus $ 5 shipping K160RX, unbuilt, $ 25 plus $ 5 shipping KIO2, built, installs in the K2. Needed for computer control, or for the external KPA100 above. $ 70 plus $ 5 shipping. BL2 Balun, unbuilt, $ 22.00 plus $ 5 shipping. Please, US and Canada sales only. I can take Paypal or US postal money orders. Please reply direct and no through the forum. Tom Bosscher K8TB k...@bosscher.org ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] XKeys Software Support for K2 / K3
Mike and others: It really is impressive to have this box along side the K3. Mike, I finally figured out how to program it, and I can write up a step by step install guide. But to the others, programming the software that Mike has is really rather easy. Any button can be used for any function. I like 6 meters a lot, so I have about 4 frequencies dialed in, each with their own button. Another button brings me to 14.070, data mode, for PSK use. If I get time, I may post some pictures of the box on my website. But I will guarantee you, 58 keys is a lot, and they can do anything the K3 can receive via the rs-232 port. tom K8TB Mike McLendon wrote: 58 keys is a lot! Too much for me in my operating but a good device to test software. Other devices with fewer keys could be more useful. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] Only Slightly OT....The times, they're a changing, and frequency also..
Interesting note: After seventy years of broadcasting Canada's official time, NRC's shortwave station CHU will move the transmission frequency for the 7335 kHz transmitter to 7850 kHz. The change goes into effect on 01 January 2009 at 00:00 UTC. Link at http://inms-ienm.nrc-cnrc.gc.ca/main_e.html We also have a leap second right then.. tom K8TB ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Re: K3 Panadaptor/Bandscope
Ha, And who says there is no Santa Claus? He's only 4 days late! Hmm. Maybe an anniversary gift from K8AJ? Thanks for the note Wayne! Tom K8TB wayne burdick wrote: Yes, definitely, unequivocally. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] 6 meters
Something is not right, and a tip off is that two rigs have problems. Are you using the EXACT same cable to connect your 6 meter antenna to the 3 rigs? Are you using any relays or coax switches? I've been to a few shacks where the ham claims a brand new rig is junk. Twice, the jumper from their A/B was junk. There is no way the K3 would only hear the friend with an amp real weak. One guys shack had a bad jumper, that worked when you had it going to right, but not stretched to the left! The Elecraft Noise Generator is worth its weight in gold and platinum. Gives you a real quick check on reality. Please double check your setup, very carefully. tom k8tb Phil LaMarche wrote: One of the reasons I purchased a K3 was to have a superior 6 meter rig. I have 5 elements at 85 ft. A friend about 12 miles away was working all kinds of stations and I can't hear a single one and his KW was very faint with an antenna at 85 ft. My Flex 5000A didn't work on 6 meters as well and the Pro III heard everything. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Fwd: Re: [Elecraft] K3 and the digital modes]
On a slightly different note, if you have problems with different levels with different audio cards for different programs, take a look at this program: http://www.romacsoftware.com/SoundManagement.htm Very clever. It detects what program you are using and what audio card is requested and resets audio levels to where you want them. I can't tell you how many times my sound cards have been hijacked by some other program, and I have to go back and reset the Windows level set. If the program works for you, he only is asking a $ 10 donation. tom K8TB ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] QST Review: Minor Quibble
I used a Griffin Power Knob, using N4PY software on the K2. Now, Mike, KE4U, has written software for using the Griffin Tuning Knob and the K3. I found with the K2 it was very useful to be able to move the Knob around the table, and not have to reach up to the rig. Maybe this should be looked at by some. (Mike, I have to dig through 85+ boxes in the basement storage area to find my Powermate!). I would like to try it myself. Please note that this solution requires the $ 45 Powermate and your shack computer. It has a way cool blue LED glow from the bottom. K8AJ really likes that! The Powermate is shown at: http://www.griffintechnology.com/products/powermate tom K8TB Rob May wrote: I came over from a 718 also. I tune with my left thumb with the rest of the hand resting on the table and the fingertips on the bottom of the radio. .. Coming to the K3 from an ICOM IC-718 I had grown accustomed to using my thumb in the swiveling dimple on that machine's tuning knob. However, the tuning knob is too close to the power and width controls. I tune with my left hand and found myself hitting those controls a lot. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 AFSK RTTY overdrive - no ALC
One other thought. Are you using the line out to drive your soundcard? And if so, is your monitor level turned up on the K3? And if so, is anything in your computer, digital mode software, allowing the incoming sound card audio to be mixed with the outbound audio? Each software package and audio card combo is different. There is the possibility that your setup is looping audio back to the K3. If this is happening, it would be hard to figure out where the feedback frequency is, and that could be tripping the K3 audio limiters. Pull the line out cable on the K3 while you have the problem, and see if it disappears. tom bosscher k8tb ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Two K3's, Same Band, Same Time?
I would try it. We had two K3's in use at the Holland (MI !) field day site, K8DAA on 20 meters. One on phone the other on CW. Sometime we were within 50-75 kc's , oops, kHz of each other, with no ill effect. The antennas were maybe 200 feet apart at the most, and they were not looking into the ends of any dipole. Compare to years past, we have had all kinds of problems with receiver overload and transmitter noise. tom K8TB ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3: ACC connector and cable
Um, I just tried it, and, while you could plug it directly to the back of the K3, your RS-232 connector is now blocked. In addition, both the K3 and the breakout box have the threaded standoffs that are meant for the cable holding bolt to go in. You would have to take those off the breakout adapter, and then goober up something to hold it in place. I would use the cable. tom k8tb Dick Dievendorff wrote: Are you able to plug the break-out-connector directly to the back of the K3, or do you use an extension cable? Dick, K6KR ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3: ACC connector and cable
You want HD-15 cables that have all 15 wires? And you want them cheap right? Try: http://www.winfordeng.com/products/ext15hd.php $ 4.25 for the cable. And if I may, take a look at Winford's way cool breakout connector for the HD-15: http://www.winfordeng.com/products/brk15hd.php You would want to order the male version, with a male-female extension cord. For a very low price, you get all 15 pins on a captive wire board. I have one of these at my 6 meter SSB (K3) remote base site. If I loose power, the K3 shuts down and stays down. By using this breakout, and a parallel port relay port off the computer at the site, I can tickle the K3 remote on pin, and save myself a drive to the site. I don't think you can find anything more cost effective that a BRK15HDM-R-FT and a EXT15HD-6, for $ 20.25 plus shipping . Online ordering. Tom Bosscher K8TB ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] Cable for K3 Aux I/O
Cable for the K3 Aux I/O I found a source for cables for the K3 AUX I/O connector, which uses all 15 pins of a HD-15 connector. You can find many cables for the HD-15, but almost all of them are for video extension cables. I found a source of cables. They are made by L-Com (www.l-com.com http://www.l-com.com) . They are available from Newark, and directly from L-Com. The part numbers of concern are for a male to male cable. And why a male to male? So you can cut the cable in half and have two cables, one for you and one for your buddy, or your second K3! The part number from L-Comm is CS2H15MM-5, for a five footer, (Newark # is 88M8465), and the CS2H15MM-10, which is ten feet. (Newark # 30M8735). I bought the five footer as Newark had those in stock. The cost is around $ 27.00 each. L-Comm’s website shows their very own checkout system. I called them and they do not have a minimum order, and they take most credit cards. So I cut my five foot cable into a four and one foot length. I found the 15 conductors surrounded by a foil shield, a drain wire for the shield, and an overall woven out shield. The 15 conductors are all there. I ohmed out the colors, and while they should be the same from cable to cable, you might want to check out the color codes of your cable before committing to these wires to your K3. Pin # Color 1 Black (solid color) 2 Brown (solid color) 3 Red (solid color) 4 Orange (solid color) 5 Yellow (solid color) 6 Green, dark (solid color) 7 Blue (solid color) 8 Violet (solid color) 9 Gray (solid color) 10 White (solid color) 11 Pink (solid color) 12 Light Green (solid color) 13 Black with white strip 14 Brown with white strip 15 Red with white strip I connected my cable to a captive wire barrier strip, plugged it into my K3, turned off, but with 12 VDC power. I shorted the Violet wire, pin 8 (power on) to the light green, pin 12 (ground). My K3 turned on. This is good news for me as my second K3 is at my 6 meter SSB remote site, and these wires will be wired into a relay controller that comes off my computer located there. Now, if there is a power bump, I don’t have to make a trip up there! Now, to convince L-Com to make a breakout HD-15 connector with captive wire screws on it, like they do for the DB-9! Tom Bosscher K8TB ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] 6m preamp description??
I bought an ARR peamp for six. It has a bit too much gain, so I have a BNC 10 Db pad after it. You can get these attenuators on Ebay for $ 10 or so. I have the ARR preamp supported by a double male BNC barrel coming off the back of the K3 KXV3 panel. The attenuator/pad sits on the back of the preamp with a 12 bnc jumper back to the KXV3. Power comes from that handy RCA connector Elecraft put on the K3. Now the rig is real solid on six. And the even better news is that my K3 # 2 just arrived yesterday. This one will replace a TS-2000 at my six meter remote base. Currently, it's raining outside. Nuts, I can't do any yard work! tom bosscher K8TB ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 - One Heckuva Radio
Lee Buller wrote: but the K3 is one great radio Field Day was a joy to operate on both CW and SSB. There were stations close in and I never knew they were there. Actually, the K3 has started a new ham-social problem of the have and have nots. I noticed with my K3 at the K8DAA field day site, that I could copy just about anything. But many were not hearing me due to AGC pumping/lockout of signals some 5-10kHz away. It was very noticable. We had a K3 on 20 cw about 300 feet from a K3 on SSB, and we never knew the other guy was there (This deals with raw RF overload). But that receiver, well, maybe it's too good? ;) Tom K8TB ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] 3rd Party K3 Compatibility Question
My K3 is 100% compatible with my J-38 key! tom, k8tb ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] re: [K3] Poor performance on 6M
My experience was just the opposite. I had the K3 and TS-2000 side by side and the K3, without any external preamp, heard signals that the TS-2000 could not pull out. That was a strange opening. I have an ARR 6 meter preamp that I can plug into the back of the K3, but that is in the basement. There is one advantage with the TS-2000, in that I knew if I was within 30 KHz of K8EB, who is 11 miles away with a monster signal! I purposely would get within 5 kHz of him on the K3, and never heard him. I was jumping between my home rig, and my remote base, which is also a TS-2000, which is a very easy rig to remote control. But I found my local K3 better than either 2000. I ordered my 2nd K3 a while ago, to replace the TS-2000 at the six meter remote base. tom, K8TB Roger K8RS said, K3 Group, I was looking forward to the ARRL June QSO Party this weekend to see how the K3 did on 6M. Result: Not very well! When a fellow ham called to correct a Grid Square report that I had missed, I knew I'd have to switch over to my Kenwood 2000 where I could hear much better, The change was so dramatic that I was floored. Obviously, we need a lift on 6M receive! Transmit seemed fine with solid reports, but the weak audio on receive was a severe handicap. More later! ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 Need for compressor
If we are talking about modifying the K3 transmit audio, we also might want to look at installing a phase rotator, or phase scrambler. Most male voices are very asymmetrical. This presents a real problem with broadcast radio, especially AM. With US AM transmission, you are allowed 100% negative modulation, and 125% positive modulation. With a proper AM transmitter and audio chain, and the 125% positive limiter disabled, and the right type of a male voice, you can get 175-200% positive modulation while never exceeding 100% negative. Flip the polarity of the audio driving the transmitter, and you will cause carrier clipping on the negative modulation, while never going over 60-75% positive modulation. The broadcast equipment manufactures will many times look at the asymmetrical waveform and flip the polarity of the audio signal. Today, most stations depend on the microphone processor to balance out the microphone audio, by simple phase scrambling of the low end of the audio. This effect smooths out the sound of many male voices. I can turn the phase rotator on and off on my radio stations microphone processors off (Symetrix 528e's), and my announcers will complain that their voices sound a little brittle. If you have ever look at your SSB signal on an oscilloscope, you may have noticed that the waveform goes higher in one direction than another. It might be interesting to experiment with external processors on the effect, or lack of effect that phase scrambling might do for SSB. You can read up on how you can do this at several places: W3AM does a good job at: http://www.w3am.com/8poleapf.html http://www.nu9n.com/am.html http://www.omniaaudio.com/tech/speech.htm http://www.euphonicmasters.com/orban_article.php pdf of above at: http://www.orban.com/support/orban/techtopics/Appdx_Radio_Ready_The_Truth_1.3.pdf tom bosscher K8TB ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] Slightly OT, Field Day Logging Pgm
While I have used N1MM and FQP's programs in the past, our club (K8DAA), uses this free field day logger. It doesn't talk to your radio. It does require you to let it know if you switch bands, hence, it is compatible with any radio out there! It's simple and its free. 73 de tom, k8tb ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Slightly OT, Field Day Logging Pgm
55 year old brain fart... The link... http://www.qsl.net/kc8opv/squirl-fd/ K8TB wrote: While I have used N1MM and FQP's programs in the past, our club (K8DAA), uses this free field day logger. It doesn't talk to your radio. It does require you to let it know if you switch bands, hence, it is compatible with any radio out there! It's simple and its free. 73 de tom, k8tb ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 FIRMWARE UPDATE: MCU 1.87, DSP 1.69 (Finally!)
To Aptos, As a six meter operator, all I can say is thank you...thank you ...thank you... This mode is s useful on VHF and above. Now, for my second K3 to arrive for my six meter SSB/CW remote base! tom K8TB K3's # 53 ? wayne burdick wrote: We've just completed the most extensive K3 firmware update ever. The full list of changes is provided below. * CW KEYING IN SSB MODES: While in SSB modes, you can now send CW without changing modes or using an offset. The other station will hear the signal at your CW pitch. This is especially useful on VHF bands when SSB signals can’t be copied. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] 6 Meter Questions - OT
Darwin, Keith wrote: I've never been on 6. Never. My K3 will cover it so I'm gonna give it a try. What do I need for an antenna? A 3 element beam would be nice, but to start, a Squalo type antenna (horizontal) will work just fine for Es openings. Look at the KU4AB: http://ku4ab.com/6m-horiz.html M2 antennas: http://www.m2inc.com/products/6m/6mloop.html And look at Ehams reviews for other equivalents: http://www.eham.net/reviews/products/37 Once you go through a great Es summer, you might want to look at more of an antenna. Since 6 meters in built into the K3, I do encourage any K3 owners who have never tried six to just simply try it this summer. tom k8tb ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] 6 Meter Questions - OT
Also, Keep an ear on 50.060 to 50.080 for the CW beacons. Last summer I would park my radio on 50.062 to hear the W9DR beacon from Florida. If I hear that, I can work anyone in Florida from Michigan. k8tb ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 on 6 Meters
David Yarnes wrote: There hasn't been much discussion about using the K3 on 6 meters. Unfortunately, I may be talking to myself on 6 meters for the time being, but Jim assures me that things should start happening on that band pretty soon. Dave, as others have stated, standby. 6 meters popped open 30 seconds at a time this weekend, about once an hour. This will change. The nice thing about six is that when the band opens from E skip, just about any antenna will work. Many folks work each other with antennas propped up on their decks. I love the band so much, that I have a second K3 ordered just for my six meter remote base. I live in a very poor VHF location, but my six meter remote is located at the highest hill around here. (we don't have mountains here in Michigan!). This height helps for ground wave and extended ground wave, but doesn't make too much difference for E skip. Right now the rig is a TS-2000, but I'm looking forward to the K3 with Simons incredible HRD program. I would encourage any K3 owner who has not ever tried six to get a squalo type antenna from KU4AB, M-squared and others. $100 for an antenna and coax, and you will have fun. Hang loose, and I'll work you from EN72.. Tom K8TB p.s., I hope the SSB squelch is on the to-do list for the K3. I used to have a Icom 551D that had a great squelch. I left the rig on all weekend. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Just Say No.
Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft wrote: K3s are now all over the world! .and even uninhabited islands like VP6DX!) Eric, I'm one of the biggest putz low band operators there are, and on cw it's even worse. But I had fun working VP6DX 5 times (3 cw, 2-ssb), using my K3 barefoot into a dipole. What made it even cooler was that the contacts where K3 to K3. The ops at Ducie were very nice to struggling ops. Thank you so much to them. But to say it simply, thanks to Elecraft for putting some fun back into ham radio. tom k8tb ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] VK6DX, slighlty OT, but not really...
As I sit here with my wire antenna trying to work one of the K3's on Ducie Island, my mind, once again wondered. God Bless the Internet, and Google. Have a look at where the VK6 folks are living: *http://tinyurl.com/2qfyrk* If you look close, you can see the K3's ;) On a sunny afternoon, Tom K8TB ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 SSB average power output
Oh, but this IS normal. You need a peak reading wattmeter. If anyone ever uses an average reading power meter to try to figure out the talk power of a radio, I guarantee you that they are putting out crude. Even with the K3 compressor set up more than it should, your peak to average ratio is very high. I have the Autek (sp?) peak reading meter in line, and it shows exactly what is going on. On SSB, I get 100 + watts, as I talk. On CW, I get what I dialed into the K3, and on PSK, I get around 10, based upon the audio gain settings. PLEASE! Never ever use an average reading wattmeter for anything other than key down observations. Invest in a peak reading meter. I like the Autek because it has two meters, peak reading forward power, and peak reading, auto adjusted SWR reading. One has to do nothing but look at this meter to tell what is going on. tom k8tb mark roz wrote: With SSB mic level adjusted to the max level (ALC to the max)the average power measured on external meter is only 4 Watts with distorted audio (power output set at 110W). If I use external compressor the average power is still only 4 Watts. This is done with CMP gain at zero. This is not normal. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Is the K3 for non-contesters?
STEPHEN W BANKS wrote: I'm just curious about whether the K3's capabilities and performance are as appealing to others like me (non-contesters) as they obviously are to contesters. Steve, I probably am the biggest putz operator/owner of a K3 there is. I am not into contest or DX'ing. I do enjoy PSK 31. I'm turning 55 this week, and have been in the hobby since I was 13. I can't explain it, but the K3, well, it's just the radio. It is an absolute joy just to tool around and listen with. I have actual heard three different qso's where the folks where talking about the K3. So of course I had to break in. That will take over a 30 minutes to answer questions. I also think this radio is going to be going strong 15-20 years from now. We can look at rigs like the TS-520 and SB-101 and state that they still work well after 30 years, but they don't perform like the K3. At the same time, a lot of us had a lot of fun with those tube type rigs. I remember buying a used SB-303/401, that wasn't working. I fixed it, and had that rig for a long time. It was a lot of fun. And to me, that is what the K3 gives you, for whatever unexplainable reason, is just fun to have in the shack. Don't worry about the fact that you are not a contester, just have fun with it. Another side note to this Elecraft/K3 thing is, the response from Elecraft. Firmware changes, that other manufactures would have to come with a new Model suffix with, (K3-MKII-G?), well Aptos kicks them out weekly. Someone asks for change X, which will only affect maybe 1 out ten operators, will be implemented. Then you have Simon, in the hills of Switzerland, writing code for HRD, which while it will works with 100+ rigs, will work exceptionally well for the K3, because Simon has one. It's fun. Go ahead and simply enjoy one of the most elegant and practical radios out there. tom k8tb (getting really close to ordering a second K3, for the remote base) ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Where is Elecraft on Google Maps?
I think this is HQ: http://tiny.cc/L4sGr At first I was looking for a 150 foot tower with stack antennas, but then I think Eric and Wayne and wire antenna type guys. Maybe they could put some white bricks on the roof and spell out K3, and we can then wait for the next set of sat pics from Google! vy 73, de tom k8tb ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 6M Preamp?
Did anyone notice the kind of steathy product announcement, of a 6M preamp for the K3 in Toby's excellent K3 Test from Bavaria? I recall it being tossed around as a posibliity, .. Toby, I caught that also. In the mean time, I have a ARR preamp, Model # P50VDG, that sits on the back of my K3. I use a female-female BNC adapter that holds the preamp out to the rx antenna in, and a simple male-male jumper about 9 to handle the other connections. I take power from the handy 12 vdc RCA jack on the back of the K3. Of note though, I have a 6 dB BNC pad on the output of the preamp. I've always found that preamps are a lot happier when they see close to 50 ohms. I have no measured MDS numbers for you. But it does bring weaker signals up to where I can read them. This K3 is in my shack at home. Which brings me to a problem. I have a TS-2000 at a remote site that I use for 6 meters SSB, only. My home sits in a valley, and this remote site is 300 feet above my head. But, there is no comparison of the TS-2000 with the K3, so, do I order another K3? (me thinks so!) I might be the only person to buy a K3 to operate just one band! So it will be interesting to see what Aptos has come up with for 6, but in the mean time, you can do it yourself. 73 de tom K8TB K3 FB53 ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 6M Preamp?
Bill W5WVO wrote: Getting the K3 essentially for use on 6m. So, should we start using SMIRK3 ? :) cu on six. 73 de tom k8t ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] MD2 and the K3
Does the unmodified MD2 work FB in the K3? Thanks, Paul N4LCD Paul, yes it does. That is what I'm using on my K3. Just make sure to turn on front panel bias. (So very easy to do, and even easier to forget to do!) 73 de tom k8tb k3 # fb53 ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Digital Modes
Sid Leben wrote: I would like to see more of the K3 features in HRD, such as ³CWT² ³RIT². Sid, I will guarantee you that almost all functions of the K3 will be on HRD. Very simple to state as that software writer extraordinare, Simon, has his K3. I also beleive that you might in the future see features for the K3 inside HRD that are not available from the front panel of the K3. I have a remote base that uses a TS-2000, using HRD for remote control. I would like to be able to put (another) K3 there, plus there is one very nice site I am looking at for a VHF/UHF remote base, and it screams for a K3. Now, about that piggy bank. Tom K8TB K3 FB#53 ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] NO audio - Remote Ham Radio Deluxe 3.5
Alan, I am using HRD and IP sound for a 6 meter SSB remote base. Only problem is that the radio is a TS-2000, and the site is screaming for a K3 on 6! tom bosscher Searched and found IP-Sound at http://www.dxzone.com/catalog/Software/Radio_Control/ The program was written for just such a situation. Thanks again, Alan ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] Kinda OT, about changes ....
Lyle Johnson wrote: I am encouraged to see that there is sufficient belief in the future of Amateur radio that American companies (as well as Asian and European) are investing in product development. I find it fascinating to have watched many changes in ham radio over the last 40 years. I have represented Elecraft at several hamfests, and I always get the same complaint, that no one sells kits anymore. I very easily point to the K2 and state, not true. Here in the Grand Rapids, MI area, we, like most towns, had a ham radio store, three to four decades ago. You could go down there, buy enough parts to make a 10 watt cw transmitter. Today, you can't do that. But look at all the kits out that you can look at on the Internet, find reviews about, find a forum to ask questions, and then download the manual to decide before you buy. Ham Radio is much better today than it was 40 years ago in regards to freedom of choice. And pricing? The K3/100 is right on par with the great Heath SB-101 from the 1960-70's, when you factor in government CPI adjustments. But to me, the most amazing change is the flip of what happened 30-40 years ago when the offshore equipment pushed Heath and Hallicrafters out of the picture. Within the last few years, there are 3 companies that looked at Japan, and said, Oh ya? Watch this! Elecraft, Ten-Tec and Flex Radio. All 3 right here in America. (cue the patriotic music!) It does make me happy to see this. I am impressed with all three companies. A good friend of mine bought the SDR-5000 and it is a great radio. I, for my reasons, chose the K3. It is a joy to be able to have the choice. I have no complaints. vy 73 Tom K8TB K3 FB53 p.s. Lyle, about that DSP. I had a friend over, and while I don't have an antenna to transmit on 160, he was listening there, and the line noise here is S6. You could here some people talking buried under the noise. I tapped the NR button, and they jumped out. My buddy sat there and tapped the NR in and out. The look in his eyes was like that of a three year old on Christmas morning. One more K3 is ordered. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] k3 fan noise - lots of it.
H. Cary III wrote: K3-100 #178 ... Both fans operate this time but WOW, is it every loud! - Is it the missing hardware or are others experiencing noisy fans, too? I've got to fix this, both for my sanity and to save face! Cary, the fans are very quiet. My guess is that the blades on the fan are hitting, due to the lack of proper mounting, or spacing. Also, visually check to make sure no wires are touching the fan blades. I have this happen a lot at work on many computers. But visually check those fans. Spin the blades manually, there should be no binding. 73 de Tom K8TB K3 FB# 53 ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] K3 Pelican case?
Has anyone, who has possession of a K3, ordered and received a Pelican case? I would like to ask what size you went with, and what style. I am in a quandary. K8AJ wants to buy me a Pelican case for my (our?) K3. So she came right out and asked me what model to buy, and I just don't know! She will not let the K3 ride in the back seat in a cardboard box. I'm not sure if I need room for a key/headphones,power supply etc in the Pelican case, as those can also easily be carried in a soft tool bag. Anyone been there yet? Tom Bosscher K8TB K3 FB53 ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] CQ WW CW and E$lecraft
I just got back from the qth of N8CC. Jeff has a contest grade station set up. Besides 2 or 3 HF towers, he has both an 80 and a 160 1/4 wave vertical, along with 3 1350' long beverage antennas. He had a handful of hams over to operate single op/single band in the contest. On 20 m, there was K8DD, with a K2. 780 q's, 135 countries, 33 zones, score 363,720 On 40 m, there was AC8W, with a K2 375 q's, 109 countries, 30 zones, score 129,687 On 80 m, K8AQM, with a K2 336 q's, 101 countries, 25 zones, score 115,668 And on 160 meters: N8EA with my K3 119 Q's, 56 countries, 18 zones, score 22,200 It was an Elecraft room. The only problem was when I arrived one hour before the end of the contest, to pick up my K3. I think the phrase was Over our dead bodies! The different ops took turns listening to the K3. Jeff, N8CC likes 160. With 80 acres, two full size 1/4 wave verticals for both 80 and 160, and 3 beverages, yes, he likes 160. He told me that he thought at first the K3 was not hooked up to the antenna selector, until he starting tuning around. Something about a really quiet receiver. He is totally impressed. K8AJ and I had to wait till 2359 Zulu, and then, reluctantly, I was allow to retrieve my K3. Within that room, there were 5 more ordered. Tom, K8TB K3 # FB-53 ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] Elecraft K3 at the Fort Wayne swap
If all goes well there will be an Elecraft K3 on display at the Fort Wayne, Indiana Swap. K8AJ and myself (K8TB) will be there Sat and Sun, and Mike, N8XPQ should join us on Sunday. Look for the Elecraft banner and someone with a big smile on his face! 73 de Tom K8TB (p.s., the radio is better than the hype!) ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] WTB
jgabbard wrote: Still looking for that Non- working HW9 to restore and use, with docs complete Thanks, John KF7OM Wanna build a brand new one? Look at Ebay auction item # 150164134610 Now, what does a K2-10 go for? Absolutely silly people out there. Tom K8TB ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] FS: K2, KSB2,KAT2, XV60
Elecraft K2, 10 watt version, with built in 20 watt antenna tuner (KAT2), the SSB Module (KSB2) and the XV60 transverter interface module. This is serial # 5050, with all updates. Price is $ 750, US and Canada only, and I pay for shipping UPS Ground, insured. No microphone, but power cord and all manuals are included. I accept Paypal, bank money order or US postal money order Tom K8TB (k8tb at bosscher.org) ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Antenna tuners
Speaking of antenna tuners Is there any possiblity that the new K3 antenna tuner can be put in a seperate box and be remotely controlled? I use a 102' dipole, fed with balanced feedline, which then goes into a back room in the basement. There, it hits a 4:1 balun, and then it sees an LDG RT-11 (a remotelly controlled antenna tuner). I then have 75 feet of coax from the antenna tuner to the shack. This is the best of all possible worlds. Any mismtach is taken care of by the tuner, and the subjected line loss of the coax. And it works very well. I convinced a buddy of mine to try a balanced fed dipole, and a remote antenna tuner, and he claims he has never had stronger signals on 40 and 80 than before. (He had over 120 feet of coax to the tuner/balun) I have no idea what tytpe of signals the K3 antenna tuner wants to and from the K3. I don't care if it's not rs-232, most CPU I/O signals can be buffered and balanced and sent a long ways. Maybe when that manual appears we can look at this. tom K8TB K3 FBxxx ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] Slightly OT, Very Special-Special Event Station this weekend]
Like Old Time Marine Radio, and morse code? Listen in to how it used to be done with the Marine Shore stations: http://www.radiomarine.org/non8.html The mainpage of this group is at: http://www.radiomarine.org/ As licensed as amateur radio operators, we may not transmit back to the shore stations on the frequencies they normally listen to, however, K6KPH will be on the air, taking reception reports. Details in the link. 73 de Tom K8TB Partial Owner of K3 FB-xxx (FB means first batch!) ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] Just what isn't user definable?
I just added a task to my future-K3-firmware list: allow the VFO B display to optionally show signal level in dBm. Three digits. Just for you, Brian :) 73, Wayne N6KR In addition to the slope of the function (dB per S-unit), is the scale set point user-configurable? Or is this hard-coded such that S9=50 uV? User settable. ...Wayne OK, I overheard this at Dayton. As with everything on the K3, all things are definable. Is it true that one can change the size of the cabinet, in both English and Metric? Tom K8TB K3 Sn xxx ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3+XV144+XV432
David, I don 't think that for now Elecraft is going to come out with K3 version xvtrs. Maybe in the future. But their existing xvtrs are among the best. However, they are meant for a 28 Mhz IF, and therein lies a problem. Normally, 28 MHz would become 144.0, so the K3 would need to go 30.0 Mhz to get 146.00, for satellite work. The ten meter band stops at 29.7 MHz of course. So this one is a simple firmware change. The real problem in on 432, where 28 MHz will be 432, so a 435.3 sat signal would be 31.3 MHz. I don't know if Elecraft will have firmware to let this happen at the xvtr stage (1 milliwatt). What I have already looked at is having two different crystals, with their own tweaking circuitry, one for 432, and one for 435. The K2 has become a favorite IF rig for many of the microwave boys, and I'm sure the K3 will be right there also. Here is the long term deal. I know Aptos will take care of the problem. I believe that the K3 will became a favorite of many satellite operators, and microwave folks. Heck, a favorite for everyone!. As such, requests and concerns like this will be added to the 500+ item wish list that I am sure exists right now. That is one continually amazing thing about Elecraft, how they truly respond to what the customers want. Tom K8TB David wrote: Hello All, Can anyone please tell me the expected frequency ranges when using a K3 and KXV3 transverter option with the XV144 and XV432 transverters? Being a satellite enthusiast I would need the K3+XV144 to operate from 145.8 to 146MHz and the K3+XV432 to operate from 432 to 438MHz. Add another 2MHz on top to each to work the local FM repeaters would be a bonus. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] Post Dayton Traumatic Stress Syndrome...
Like many of you, I went to Dayton to see the radio that was ordered for me (by K8AJ) actually looked like. It is rather un-nerving to order a radio that is not even in production. But. It does look great. Nice LCD panel. But looks only count on the first date. The demo radio on the left had a whip antenna attached. The audio coming from it sounded, well, Elecraftish! I usually hear the same sound from the Ten-Tec's. Someone pays attention to the receive audio, and it just opens up. I had fun just stepping back and watching people go up and look at the radio. Elecraft even ran out of brochures on Friday. I felt very good about getting in on the first production run. The only negative, the Amazing Lisa was not there. It was a good weekend. Tom K8TB K3 Cult member SN xxx ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Post Dayton Traumatic Stress Syndrome...
Edward Dickinson III wrote: Therefore I could ..use a little enlightenment on your comment below. Ed, I am talking about a very subjective situation. There are many items that can add to a specific radios' sound, both transmit and receive. One area is phase shift, usually caused by an improperly designed resistor-capacitor network in a roll-off or bandpass configuration. What happens is that a signal at one frequency, say 500 Hz, is delayed by this circuit for a certain amount of time, and then a signal at 1.5 khz is delayed a different amount of time. Your ear cannot define this, but it doesn't like it. Did you ever notice at field day, that some radios the signal just jumps out? I do not like a perfect AGC in a radio. A perfect AGC will keep the audio level the same, for all signal strengths. If the AGC has a slope in it, it allows for a certain amount of dynamic range. If you set the slope to be a 20:1 ratio, then an S9 signal will be some 4-6 times louder than an signal in the noise.Some people want a perfect AGC. The K3 will let you define it. One other area that really effects the audio sound is the distortion that different sections of the radio add to signal. The real world situation is that many times this distortion cannot be measured. It is very easy to do a simple THD or IM distortion check, but then we get into whats called TIM, or Transient Intermodulation Distortion. All circuits from the actual product detector to the audio stages proper effect this audio quality. At times the chase for the perfect audio signal does become silly. Google around and you can see articles that are written by what I call AudioPhools. I have been in the radio broadcast engineering profession for some 35+ years now. Every few months we learn how simple audio is not. But the K3 continues the Elecraft Mojo. tom K8TB p.s., Again, how a certain radio sounds is exceptionally subjective. The above sentences are simply my thoughts, and are not valid where prohibited.!! ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] 15 kHz IF out K3
One more questionf ro the five thousand on the FAQ. I see the BNC on the back for IF out, which will be the 8.+ MHz IF. The low IF is 15 kHz for the DSP. If one were to get the general coverage option, can the 15 kHz IF be routed, to the PC card out (maybe it is already), so the DRM can be decoded externally? Or will there be enough memory/horsepower in the DSP to decode DRM internally? (way too cool if that happens). One down side to my order for the K3, I now have to get a new Elecraft shirt showing the K3 SN #. Tom Bosscher K8TB K2 5050, K3 xx ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] Tee Shirt Slogan
You guys are close: K3 I can hear you now! Julius n2wn K3 -- Can I hear you now? Jim, WD9HDC The real slogan is: K3 We Hear You or, a little longer K3 We Hear You . Very Well (put the ...Very Well on the front, and the K3 on the back) Eric, Wayne, Lisa has my mailing address. Tom K8TB ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
