Re: [Elecraft] [K3] Using NaP3 in AFSK A mode
I just confirmed that offsets in the latest NaP3 setup menu have no effect when in AFSK A. As someone reported, either here or elsewhere, this is apparently a bug in NaP3, and since NaP3 is no longer supported I'll have to find another solution. Too bad - it was *so* close to perfect. 73, Pete N4ZR Check out the Reverse Beacon Network at http://reversebeacon.net, blog at reversebeacon.blogspot.com. For spots, please go to your favorite ARC V6 or VE7CC DX cluster node. On 10/2/2014 2:58 PM, Pete Smith N4ZR wrote: I would like to be able to use my K3 with NaP3 through an LP-PAN, but when I click on a signal, instead of going where clicked it sends the VFO to a frequency approximately 2 KHz lower. I presume it may be going to the suppressed carrier frequency instead of the Mark frequency. Both NaP3 and the K3 are in AFSK A mode. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] [K3] Using NaP3 in AFSK A mode
Pete, I guess I don't understand. I use NaP3 and PSK31 without a problem. I may not understand how you are configured. I use either DM780 or FLDIGI and spot my signals on that and click in that window for a signal. I do not use NaP3 or the KX3 for demodulation or decoding of any of my digital signals. I think most of us are doing this. I, therefore, do not have a problem. Another issue I sense in this thread is possibly going to cause some real problems. The tuning issue is not simple. The offsets will be different for differing digital signals. One signal may want a 1200 Hz offset while another may want 1800 Hz, etc. A single Data A offset wouldn't work; it would need to b signal specific. I don't consider this a bug in either NaP3 or the KX3. It's just the nature of the various signals we play with. Here is a site the shows a configuration that will work: https://sdrzone.com/index.php?option=com_contentview=articleid=92:kx3-sdr-reviewcatid=20:mosaicsItemid=572 73, Barry K3NDM On 10/3/2014 8:49 AM, Pete Smith N4ZR wrote: I just confirmed that offsets in the latest NaP3 setup menu have no effect when in AFSK A. As someone reported, either here or elsewhere, this is apparently a bug in NaP3, and since NaP3 is no longer supported I'll have to find another solution. Too bad - it was *so* close to perfect. 73, Pete N4ZR Check out the Reverse Beacon Network at http://reversebeacon.net, blog at reversebeacon.blogspot.com. For spots, please go to your favorite ARC V6 or VE7CC DX cluster node. On 10/2/2014 2:58 PM, Pete Smith N4ZR wrote: I would like to be able to use my K3 with NaP3 through an LP-PAN, but when I click on a signal, instead of going where clicked it sends the VFO to a frequency approximately 2 KHz lower. I presume it may be going to the suppressed carrier frequency instead of the Mark frequency. Both NaP3 and the K3 are in AFSK A mode. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to k3...@comcast.net __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] [K3] Using NaP3 in AFSK A mode
K3NDM wrote: I guess I don't understand. That's right, you don't. RTTY in AFSK A is a different animal from PSK31 in DATA A. In AFSK A, the K3's dial displays the actual Mark frequency of the RTTY signal, not the BFO or suppressed carrier frequency as in DATA A. The expectation when clicking on a signal peak in the panadapter waterfall is exactly the same in AFSK A as in CW or FSK D; you would expect the rig to tune directly to the chosen frequency so that you can hear the signal at your chosen audio tone (set by the K3's PITCH setting). The mitigating factor for me personally is that I never click in the panadapter window in RTTY. I do all my tuning either with the radio's tuning knob or from the keyboard. My mouse stays in my receive text window - I left click to copy a call sign or exchange, and right-click to send the next message or log the contact. Since I installed NaP3 v4 I have never once clicked in the NaP3 window to tune in an RTTY signal, so I had never seen the problem Pete has reported. Once I tried it to see, the problem was immediately evident, but given the way I operate (which I believe is not unusual for RTTY), this bug in NaP3 does not affect me. 73, Rich VE3KI __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] [K3] Using NaP3 in AFSK A mode
Rich, You're right. I didn't understand what you were trying to do. I would never have seen what you are referring to as I wouldn't operate as you describe; it never occurred to me to do so. And, I use NaP3 V3.1 which may also have some subtle differences. If I get some time, I'll need to play and see what I can discover, but I'll need to do a little station reconfiguration first. I would like to know more. 73, Barry K3NDM On 10/3/2014 2:23 PM, Richard Ferch wrote: K3NDM wrote: I guess I don't understand. That's right, you don't. RTTY in AFSK A is a different animal from PSK31 in DATA A. In AFSK A, the K3's dial displays the actual Mark frequency of the RTTY signal, not the BFO or suppressed carrier frequency as in DATA A. The expectation when clicking on a signal peak in the panadapter waterfall is exactly the same in AFSK A as in CW or FSK D; you would expect the rig to tune directly to the chosen frequency so that you can hear the signal at your chosen audio tone (set by the K3's PITCH setting). The mitigating factor for me personally is that I never click in the panadapter window in RTTY. I do all my tuning either with the radio's tuning knob or from the keyboard. My mouse stays in my receive text window - I left click to copy a call sign or exchange, and right-click to send the next message or log the contact. Since I installed NaP3 v4 I have never once clicked in the NaP3 window to tune in an RTTY signal, so I had never seen the problem Pete has reported. Once I tried it to see, the problem was immediately evident, but given the way I operate (which I believe is not unusual for RTTY), this bug in NaP3 does not affect me. 73, Rich VE3KI __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to k3...@comcast.net __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] [K3] Using NaP3 in AFSK A mode
K3NDM wrote: You're right. I didn't understand what you were trying to do. I would never have seen what you are referring to as I wouldn't operate as you describe; it never occurred to me to do so. And, I use NaP3 V3.1 which may also have some subtle differences. If I get some time, I'll need to play and see what I can discover, but I'll need to do a little station reconfiguration first. I would like to know more. I believe the problem only exists in v4; as far as I know v3 is OK in this respect. 73, Rich VE3KI __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] [K3] Using NaP3 in AFSK A mode
Interesting. I was beginning to think something like that, but I had to data to support that. I was running V4 for a while, but I had trouble with it playing nice with some other stuff I run. So, I dumped it and went back to V3.1. This configuration appears to be quite stable and plays nice with the rest of my software. I do us CW Skimmer vice datatext. I find the demod in Skimmer works a bit better than the demod on the KX3 and I found the display of calls over signals both neat and overwhelming on my monitor. So I guess I'll stay with what is working here; I guess it's a matter now of it it isn't broke, don't fix it. 73, Barry K3NDM On 10/3/2014 3:26 PM, Richard Ferch wrote: K3NDM wrote: You're right. I didn't understand what you were trying to do. I would never have seen what you are referring to as I wouldn't operate as you describe; it never occurred to me to do so. And, I use NaP3 V3.1 which may also have some subtle differences. If I get some time, I'll need to play and see what I can discover, but I'll need to do a little station reconfiguration first. I would like to know more. I believe the problem only exists in v4; as far as I know v3 is OK in this respect. 73, Rich VE3KI __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to k3...@comcast.net __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
[Elecraft] [K3] Using NaP3 in AFSK A mode
I would like to be able to use my K3 with NaP3 through an LP-PAN, but when I click on a signal, instead of going where clicked it sends the VFO to a frequency approximately 2 KHz lower. I presume it may be going to the suppressed carrier frequency instead of the Mark frequency. Both NaP3 and the K3 are in AFSK A mode. -- 73, Pete N4ZR Check out the Reverse Beacon Network at http://reversebeacon.net, blog at reversebeacon.blogspot.com. For spots, please go to your favorite ARC V6 or VE7CC DX cluster node. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] [K3] Using NaP3 in AFSK A mode
Pete, PowerSDR had offset values for DIG_L and DIG_U. They represented the MARK frequency (2125 for DIG_L and 2295 for DIG_U). Are those set correctly in your installation? Unlike most rigs - except for Yaesu - which do not allow the dial to show the true RTTY (RF MARK) frequency in AFSK, the K3 AFSK A shows the RF MARK for AFSK A (it shows RF SPACE for AFSK A REV). That means you may need to do some iteration with the NaP3 DIG_L/DIG_U CAT Offset and the internal PowerSDR DIG_L and DIG_U offsets. Unfortunately the developer of NaP3 folded his tent and disappeared so there is no longer any authoritative support. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 2014-10-02 2:58 PM, Pete Smith N4ZR wrote: I would like to be able to use my K3 with NaP3 through an LP-PAN, but when I click on a signal, instead of going where clicked it sends the VFO to a frequency approximately 2 KHz lower. I presume it may be going to the suppressed carrier frequency instead of the Mark frequency. Both NaP3 and the K3 are in AFSK A mode. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] [K3] Using NaP3 in AFSK A mode
Peter, I suggest that you probably don't want to go that route. What I would suggest is that you use some digital mode software behind the K3, something like FLDIGI, or your favorite application. You will see the stream of data on its waterfall and you would use that for final tuning. It also gives you the opportunity to use macros fairly easily. I do this with my KX3 with PSK31 from time to time and discovered this way through trial and error. It layers one additional on, but it appears to be a more convenient way to operate. If you are using HRD, you can use DM780 and have integral logging. However, with NaP3 there is a way to calibrate your operation. Go into configuration/rig and play with the IF offsets by mode. You should be able to fix your problem, but I really recommend my original suggestion. Best of Luck. 73, Barry K3NDM On 10/2/2014 2:58 PM, Pete Smith N4ZR wrote: I would like to be able to use my K3 with NaP3 through an LP-PAN, but when I click on a signal, instead of going where clicked it sends the VFO to a frequency approximately 2 KHz lower. I presume it may be going to the suppressed carrier frequency instead of the Mark frequency. Both NaP3 and the K3 are in AFSK A mode. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
