Re: [Elecraft] K3S and Winkeyer

[Bill Frantz]

The contest mode of RUMlogNG (for the Mac) can use the CAT 
interface to send CW. I used it during the ARRL DX contest and a 
number of other contests over the last couple of years, and it 
worked well. It seems to me that the CAT interface is a more 
reliable way of sending CW than toggling DTR. RUMlogNG also has 
a setup preference for both microHam and winkeyer, as well as 
CAT. Given that CAT works well, I've never tried the others.


73 Bill AE6JV

On 2/21/18 at 10:08 PM, huntin...@coastside.net (Brian Hunt) wrote:

You can use DTR keying as described in the thread or you can 
use the "KEY" macro in N1MM+ via the serial port CAT interface. 
I use DTR with my K3 but since DTR keying isn't implemented on 
the KX2, I use the macro. When using the macro the speed is 
that set on the K3 keyer and can be interrupted with the 
paddle. I have an example .mc file I can send if interested.

73,
Brian, K0DTJ


On Feb 21, 2018, at 17:52, Bill DeVore  wrote:

I’d like to start contesting and plan on using N1MM with my K3S. Is there any 
advantage on adding a

Winkeyer to the mix?



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Re: [Elecraft] K3S and Winkeyer

[Jim - KK7A]

With all the smarts in the K3s, it seems like it would be possible to add a 
WinKeyer emulator in the rig itself with just a software update.

My 2 cents considering I know nothing of the internal code in the K3s.

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On Wed, Feb 21, 2018 at 10:17 PM, Tom <tom...@videotron.ca> wrote:

> One big advantage, if you play to use keyboard based CW at all, is that on 
> the K3, you cannot use software keying using the built in keyer on the 
> Elecraft. Instead, you need to use N1MM's DTR keying which is software based 
> and cannot be used reliably unless you only have N1MM software running with 
> the K3. If you use any virtual ports, it will not work reliably. A WinKey is 
> a good solution and not expensive. Most software packages support WinKey. 73 
> Tom va2fsq.com -Original Message- From: Bill DeVore Sent: Wednesday, 
> February 21, 2018 8:52 PM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] 
> K3S and Winkeyer I’d like to start contesting and plan on using N1MM with my 
> K3S. Is there any advantage on adding a Winkeyer to the mix? Thanks in 
> advance, Bill - W3PNM 
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Re: [Elecraft] K3S and Winkeyer

[Dave Fugleberg]

DTR keying works well with the K3, but as Tom pointed out, it does not play
well with virtual COM ports. Since I started using Win4K3, I’ve had to use
alternate means.
I’m planning to go with a Winkeyer type device for all the reasons
mentioned by the others.
I recently found the Nanokeyer project, which is a Arduino based Winkeyer
clone built on the code from K3NG. I’ve got one knocked together on the
workbench and it seems to work well, so I’m going to give it a workout and
see if it meets my needs, as soon as I find time to move it from a mass of
jumper wires and clip leads to something resembling a completed piece of
equipment.
On Thu, Feb 22, 2018 at 12:09 AM Brian Hunt  wrote:

> You can use DTR keying as described in the thread or you can use the "KEY"
> macro in N1MM+ via the serial port CAT interface. I use DTR with my K3 but
> since DTR keying isn't implemented on the KX2, I use the macro. When using
> the macro the speed is that set on the K3 keyer and can be interrupted with
> the paddle. I have an example .mc file I can send if interested.
>
> 73,
> Brian, K0DTJ
>
> > On Feb 21, 2018, at 17:52, Bill DeVore  wrote:
> >
> > I’d like to start contesting and plan on using N1MM with my K3S. Is
> there any advantage on adding a Winkeyer to the mix?
> >
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Re: [Elecraft] K3S and Winkeyer

[Brian Hunt]

You can use DTR keying as described in the thread or you can use the "KEY" 
macro in N1MM+ via the serial port CAT interface. I use DTR with my K3 but 
since DTR keying isn't implemented on the KX2, I use the macro. When using the 
macro the speed is that set on the K3 keyer and can be interrupted with the 
paddle. I have an example .mc file I can send if interested. 

73,
Brian, K0DTJ

> On Feb 21, 2018, at 17:52, Bill DeVore  wrote:
> 
> I’d like to start contesting and plan on using N1MM with my K3S. Is there any 
> advantage on adding a Winkeyer to the mix?
> 

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Re: [Elecraft] K3S and Winkeyer

[donovanf]

Winkeyers have been excellent upgrades to my multi-multi stations. 
All of my stations now use Winkeyers and ten of them now use 
K3 transceivers. 


I especially like the PTT capability when sending with a paddle. 
No more need to fiddle with VOX settings for CW operation. 


73 
Frank 
W3LPL 





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From: "iain macdonnell - N6ML" <a...@dseven.org> 
To: "Bill DeVore" <maxr...@gmail.com> 
Cc: "Elecraft Reflector" <elecraft@mailman.qth.net> 
Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2018 5:16:58 AM 
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S and Winkeyer 

On Wed, Feb 21, 2018 at 5:52 PM, Bill DeVore <maxr...@gmail.com> wrote: 
> I’d like to start contesting and plan on using N1MM with my K3S. Is there any 
> advantage on adding a Winkeyer to the mix? 

Without it (or some other type of interface), you'd have to use the 
RTS/DTR lines on the rig-control COM-port for keying. This works fine 
for some, but others have issues with timing (it's dependent on 
Windows and the COM port operating smoothly). The WinKeyer is very 
well regarded amongst contesters, and will generally provide the most 
dependable operation. 

73, 

~iain / N6ML 
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Re: [Elecraft] K3S and Winkeyer

[Vic Rosenthal]

A lot of people will say no, the N1MM CW generation is fine. But it depends on 
a lot of things. In my case, the CW got poorer when there was a lot of internet 
activity on the computer. Computer sound generation and other stuff also 
affects it. Everything just got much smoother when I got a Winkeyer.

Vic 4X6GP 

> On 22 Feb 2018, at 3:52, Bill DeVore  wrote:
> 
> I’d like to start contesting and plan on using N1MM with my K3S. Is there any 
> advantage on adding a Winkeyer to the mix?
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> 
> Bill - W3PNM
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Re: [Elecraft] K3S and Winkeyer

[Tom]

One big advantage, if you play to use keyboard based CW at all,  is that on 
the K3, you cannot use software keying using the built in keyer on the 
Elecraft.  Instead, you need to use N1MM's DTR keying which is software 
based and cannot be used reliably unless you only have N1MM software running 
with the K3.  If you use any virtual ports, it will not work reliably.
A WinKey is a good solution and not expensive.  Most software packages 
support WinKey.


73 Tom
va2fsq.com

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From: Bill DeVore

Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2018 8:52 PM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S and Winkeyer

I’d like to start contesting and plan on using N1MM with my K3S. Is there 
any advantage on adding a Winkeyer to the mix?


Thanks in advance,

Bill - W3PNM
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Re: [Elecraft] K3S and Winkeyer

[iain macdonnell - N6ML]

On Wed, Feb 21, 2018 at 5:52 PM, Bill DeVore  wrote:
> I’d like to start contesting and plan on using N1MM with my K3S. Is there any 
> advantage on adding a Winkeyer to the mix?

Without it (or some other type of interface), you'd have to use the
RTS/DTR lines on the rig-control COM-port for keying. This works fine
for some, but others have issues with timing (it's dependent on
Windows and the COM port operating smoothly). The WinKeyer is very
well regarded amongst contesters, and will generally provide the most
dependable operation.

73,

~iain / N6ML
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Re: [Elecraft] K3S and Winkeyer

[AB2E Darrell]

Hi Bill,

I'd say it just comes down to personal preference. I'm primarily a contester 
and dxer.

I sometimes use the builtin keyers in the K3 and the Icom IC-7800.

However, I do like and have several Winkeyers. They interface easily in N1MM+ 
on their own serial port. The speed can be controlled either from the Winkeyer 
speed pot or from the N1MM+ program with a mouse to change the speed.

I have the standalone Winkeyer USB, also 2 of my Rig Expert interfaces have 
builtin Winkeyers.

To me I like the stability and accuracy of the Winkeyer. It's easy to adjust 
the speed up or down 2wpm at a time.

So boils down to personal preference and I have nothing bad to say about the 
builtin keyers.

73 Darrell AB2E



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I’d like to start contesting and plan on using N1MM with my K3S. Is there any 
advantage on adding a Winkeyer to the mix?

Thanks in advance,

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[Elecraft] K3S and Winkeyer

[Bill DeVore]

I’d like to start contesting and plan on using N1MM with my K3S. Is there any 
advantage on adding a Winkeyer to the mix?

Thanks in advance,

Bill - W3PNM
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