Re: [Elecraft] Long messages
I'll second/third Thunderbird as a excellent email client. I've been using it for 15+ years, and I've never been disappointed or frustrated. It's power and flexibility are truly note worthy. ...robert On 1/4/2021 03:04 PM, Phil Kane wrote: On 1/4/2021 4:11 AM, Lyn Norstad wrote: I have never used Thunderbird, but it sounds like what I am doing with Outlook. I have it set up with Folders and in some cases, Sub-folders, where everything goes as per established sort rules. In addition, because I have so many folders, I have a "Favorites" section of the display where I can see certain folders in addition to in their proper location in the main list. Does Thunderbird do something special? I could use some email magic. Yes, T-Bird does all that and more. It is far more stable and secure, and includes provisions for Dual-Key Encryption in current versions. It even has a routine to transfer your file structure and address book from Outlook into T-Bird "hands-free". Totally customizable. I've been using it ever since I switched from IBM OS/2 to Windows almost 15 years ago. 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane Elecraft K2/100 s/n 5402 From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to rc...@verizon.net -- Robert G Strickland, PhD ABPH - KE2WY rc...@verizon.net.usa Syracuse, New York, USA __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
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Say it isn't so... 73, and thanks, Dave (NK7Z) https://www.nk7z.net ARRL Volunteer Examiner ARRL Technical Specialist, RFI ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resources On 1/4/21 8:27 AM, Clay Autery wrote: we MIGHT just streamline the reflector traffic a bit. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
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OK NZ8P __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
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Having spent the last 25 years administering, owning, running, etc, etc, ad nauseum both forums (from uBBS 1.0, vBBS, et al), and supporting clients with forums, email reflectors, et al. I have to disagree with you. As much as I 1) LOVE forums, and 2) loathe every additional email I don't want/need, for amateur radio related subjects, like Elecraft (I'm in this one and 4 other related on two platforms), I do not think a forum is the way to go. I'm busy, and I don't even GO to most of the forums I spent years on anymore because well, I am busy. The "push" nature of a reflector allows me to review quickly and stay right up to date on all the subject areas I am interested in. Now, that is NOT to say the "reflector" idea cannot be improved upon. I PREFER Groups.io, which is kind of a hybrid of sorts. If you want, it's JUST a reflector. BUT, it ALSO provides a searchable database, and a LOT of other tools for use when you need to research historical threads and posts. Now, I know lots of folks resist change and Groups.io is a change. But it works "better" for a wider range of folks, and IMO is much easier to administer. Finally, IF we are not to move to Groups.io, then I would like to see us return to the basic "rules" we USED to observe before 1) Only quote what is absolutely necessary to keep thread continuity. 2) Strip away everything from the "" and down. 3) Observing the quiet death of threads when they drift and/or sufficiently beat the horse to death. In the past, Eric was the arbiter of the "rules". That is a TERRIBLE use of his time. Perhaps if we could hammer out some rules that Wayne and Eric would "sign-off" upon, and then find a couple of Reflector moderators from among the more experienced, level-headed, and thick-skinned, et al. of us to fulfill the lion's share of the admin duties (with Eric and Wayne ONLY managing by exception), we MIGHT just streamline the reflector traffic a bit. That's my 2/100ths of a fiat currency "dollar". And worth both pennies. 73 and God Bless and Keep every single one of you! __ Clay Autery, KY5G (318) 518-1389 On 01/04/21 07:09, Barry wrote: Just another reason why a forum makes so much more sense than pushing out emails to everyone. Barry W2UP -- Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/ __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to k...@montac.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Long messages
On 2021-01-04 8:38 AM, Louandzip via Elecraft wrote: That would def be my preference. 20 years ago, everything was reflectors, but Elecraft is the only one I'm dealing with now. Much of the traffic is not really relevant to me and a well structured forum would make it much quicker and easier for the user to sort through, and easier to contribute to. A competent e-mail program like Thunderbird or Outlook will take care of all those issues, provide the advantages of a "forum", allow the user to download the messages in bulk then work (read/respond) offline (e.g. on an airplane, in areas where WiFi/LTE/5G are not available) and upload responses in bulk when connectivity is available. Competent e-mail software does wonders to maximize signal to noise ratio - even with a "forum" - although it can't eliminate the "Sent to all" generated flame wars that are unfortunately more common with forum based groups than properly configured e-mail lists. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 2021-01-04 8:38 AM, Louandzip via Elecraft wrote: >>> Just another reason why a forum makes so much more sense than pushing out emails to everyone. Barry W2UP<<< That would def be my preference. 20 years ago, everything was reflectors, but Elecraft is the only one I'm dealing with now. Much of the traffic is not really relevant to me and a well structured forum would make it much quicker and easier for the user to sort through, and easier to contribute to. I had been out of the loop for quite a few years and now getting back into it, dusting off my K1 and K2, and looking at new rigs, I was disappointed to find Elecraft still using a reflector. For me, Elecraft having a forum would "reflect" possessively on the company. Lou W7HV On Monday, January 4, 2021, 6:13:06 AM MST, Barry wrote: Just another reason why a forum makes so much more sense than pushing out emails to everyone. Barry W2UP __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
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On 1/4/2021 4:11 AM, Lyn Norstad wrote: I have never used Thunderbird, but it sounds like what I am doing with Outlook. I have it set up with Folders and in some cases, Sub-folders, where everything goes as per established sort rules. In addition, because I have so many folders, I have a "Favorites" section of the display where I can see certain folders in addition to in their proper location in the main list. Does Thunderbird do something special? I could use some email magic. Yes, T-Bird does all that and more. It is far more stable and secure, and includes provisions for Dual-Key Encryption in current versions. It even has a routine to transfer your file structure and address book from Outlook into T-Bird "hands-free". Totally customizable. I've been using it ever since I switched from IBM OS/2 to Windows almost 15 years ago. 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane Elecraft K2/100 s/n 5402 From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
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I look at my messages here https://www.mail-archive.com/elecraft@mailman.qth.net/ and it is easy to skip subjects I don't want to read. It can also be sorted by subject or thread. Works for me! I also use Thunderbird, and agree it is great. Carl AB1DD On 1/4/2021 9:06 AM, Louandzip via Elecraft wrote: >>> "life changes" ... Bill NY9H<<< Yep. I would posit that's why forums predominate now. It puts the burden on the host, not the user and customer. On Monday, January 4, 2021, 6:53:03 AM MST, Bill Steffey NY9H wrote: thunderbird... I made the change to Thunderbird years ago. I hesitated a few years , as I remember there was some feature of Eudora that I had to give up relating to the folders and sorting ... life changes ... HNY __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
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>>> "life changes" ... Bill NY9H<<< Yep. I would posit that's why forums predominate now. It puts the burden on the host, not the user and customer. On Monday, January 4, 2021, 6:53:03 AM MST, Bill Steffey NY9H wrote: thunderbird... I made the change to Thunderbird years ago. I hesitated a few years , as I remember there was some feature of Eudora that I had to give up relating to the folders and sorting ... life changes ... HNY On 1/4/2021 2:02 AM, Dave Cole wrote: > I too use Thunderbird, and it is wonderful. I look at 40 or so lists, > each has a folder, and Thunderbird has filters, so they all go > directly into their respective folders. > -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to louand...@yahoo.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
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thunderbird... I made the change to Thunderbird years ago. I hesitated a few years , as I remember there was some feature of Eudora that I had to give up relating to the folders and sorting ... life changes ... HNY On 1/4/2021 2:02 AM, Dave Cole wrote: I too use Thunderbird, and it is wonderful. I look at 40 or so lists, each has a folder, and Thunderbird has filters, so they all go directly into their respective folders. -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
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Hi George, As many others suggest use your email program to filter messages into folders. I do that using Outlook, but I also do not read the list from the emails. I only use the messages from my email when I want to reply. I pull up the Web archive and read the list from there. It makes it faster, at least for me. I've never felt compelled to read messages with subject lines that are not of interest to me. Your brain is the best filter. YMMV Len -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of giwag...@k5kg.com Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2021 9:10 PM To: elecraft@mailman.QTH.net Subject: [Elecraft] Long messages Guys, really! Mile long messages on this reflector kill all the fun. Please manage your air time in respect of others. 73, George K5KG Sent from my iPhone __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to l...@ka7ftp.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Long messages
>>> Just another reason why a forum makes so much more sense than pushing out emails to everyone. Barry W2UP<<< That would def be my preference. 20 years ago, everything was reflectors, but Elecraft is the only one I'm dealing with now. Much of the traffic is not really relevant to me and a well structured forum would make it much quicker and easier for the user to sort through, and easier to contribute to. I had been out of the loop for quite a few years and now getting back into it, dusting off my K1 and K2, and looking at new rigs, I was disappointed to find Elecraft still using a reflector. For me, Elecraft having a forum would "reflect" possessively on the company. Lou W7HV On Monday, January 4, 2021, 6:13:06 AM MST, Barry wrote: Just another reason why a forum makes so much more sense than pushing out emails to everyone. Barry W2UP -- Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/ __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to louand...@yahoo.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
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Just another reason why a forum makes so much more sense than pushing out emails to everyone. Barry W2UP -- Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/ __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
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Hi Lyn. You will have to read the manual to find out what T-Bird does... It is extensive, and to go into that here would take far too long. 73, and thanks, Dave (NK7Z) https://www.nk7z.net ARRL Volunteer Examiner ARRL Technical Specialist, RFI ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resources On 1/4/21 4:11 AM, Lyn Norstad wrote: Dave - I get 200 - 300 emails a day. Business, financial, ham radio, personal, etc. I have never used Thunderbird, but it sounds like what I am doing with Outlook. I have it set up with Folders and in some cases, Sub-folders, where everything goes as per established sort rules. In addition, because I have so many folders, I have a "Favorites" section of the display where I can see certain folders in addition to in their proper location in the main list. Does Thunderbird do something special? I could use some email magic. 73 Lyn, W0LEN -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Dave Cole Sent: Monday, January 04, 2021 1:02 AM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Long messages I too use Thunderbird, and it is wonderful. I look at 40 or so lists, each has a folder, and Thunderbird has filters, so they all go directly into their respective folders. Free, and far better than anything out there... 73, and thanks, Dave (NK7Z) https://www.nk7z.net ARRL Volunteer Examiner ARRL Technical Specialist, RFI ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resources On 1/3/21 10:52 PM, Jim Brown wrote: On 1/3/2021 10:00 PM, w...@w2xj.net wrote: Well we will never know what you’re talking about without quoted context. If you use a decent email program, it's usually possible to include just enough of the post you're commenting on to provide context. And email reflectors are FAR easier to deal with if you use such software that allows you to download your messages and automatically sorts them into mailboxes, one for each reflector, and a few others for special projects that you might be working on with someone. I read more than 2 dozen reflectors, some busy, some not. Many years ago, I tried the digest for a vacation of a week or two and I hated it. There was no way to delete anything! The free software I use is Thunderbird. 73, Jim K9YC __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to d...@nk7z.net __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to l...@lnainc.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Long messages
Dave - I get 200 - 300 emails a day. Business, financial, ham radio, personal, etc. I have never used Thunderbird, but it sounds like what I am doing with Outlook. I have it set up with Folders and in some cases, Sub-folders, where everything goes as per established sort rules. In addition, because I have so many folders, I have a "Favorites" section of the display where I can see certain folders in addition to in their proper location in the main list. Does Thunderbird do something special? I could use some email magic. 73 Lyn, W0LEN -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Dave Cole Sent: Monday, January 04, 2021 1:02 AM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Long messages I too use Thunderbird, and it is wonderful. I look at 40 or so lists, each has a folder, and Thunderbird has filters, so they all go directly into their respective folders. Free, and far better than anything out there... 73, and thanks, Dave (NK7Z) https://www.nk7z.net ARRL Volunteer Examiner ARRL Technical Specialist, RFI ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resources On 1/3/21 10:52 PM, Jim Brown wrote: > On 1/3/2021 10:00 PM, w...@w2xj.net wrote: >> Well we will never know what you’re talking about without quoted context. > > If you use a decent email program, it's usually possible to include just > enough of the post you're commenting on to provide context. And email > reflectors are FAR easier to deal with if you use such software that > allows you to download your messages and automatically sorts them into > mailboxes, one for each reflector, and a few others for special projects > that you might be working on with someone. > > I read more than 2 dozen reflectors, some busy, some not. Many years > ago, I tried the digest for a vacation of a week or two and I hated it. > There was no way to delete anything! The free software I use is > Thunderbird. > > 73, Jim K9YC > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to d...@nk7z.net __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to l...@lnainc.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
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I too use Thunderbird, and it is wonderful. I look at 40 or so lists, each has a folder, and Thunderbird has filters, so they all go directly into their respective folders. Free, and far better than anything out there... 73, and thanks, Dave (NK7Z) https://www.nk7z.net ARRL Volunteer Examiner ARRL Technical Specialist, RFI ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resources On 1/3/21 10:52 PM, Jim Brown wrote: On 1/3/2021 10:00 PM, w...@w2xj.net wrote: Well we will never know what you’re talking about without quoted context. If you use a decent email program, it's usually possible to include just enough of the post you're commenting on to provide context. And email reflectors are FAR easier to deal with if you use such software that allows you to download your messages and automatically sorts them into mailboxes, one for each reflector, and a few others for special projects that you might be working on with someone. I read more than 2 dozen reflectors, some busy, some not. Many years ago, I tried the digest for a vacation of a week or two and I hated it. There was no way to delete anything! The free software I use is Thunderbird. 73, Jim K9YC __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to d...@nk7z.net __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
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On 1/3/2021 10:00 PM, w...@w2xj.net wrote: Well we will never know what you’re talking about without quoted context. If you use a decent email program, it's usually possible to include just enough of the post you're commenting on to provide context. And email reflectors are FAR easier to deal with if you use such software that allows you to download your messages and automatically sorts them into mailboxes, one for each reflector, and a few others for special projects that you might be working on with someone. I read more than 2 dozen reflectors, some busy, some not. Many years ago, I tried the digest for a vacation of a week or two and I hated it. There was no way to delete anything! The free software I use is Thunderbird. 73, Jim K9YC __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
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Well we will never know what you’re talking about without quoted context. Sent from my iPad > On Jan 3, 2021, at 11:10 PM, giwag...@k5kg.com wrote: > > Guys, really! Mile long messages on this reflector kill all the fun. Please > manage your air time in respect of others. > > 73, George K5KG > > Sent from my iPhone > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to w...@w2xj.net __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
[Elecraft] Long messages
Guys, really! Mile long messages on this reflector kill all the fun. Please manage your air time in respect of others. 73, George K5KG Sent from my iPhone __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
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As stated before, we will keep it as a single list. Let's end the thread for now. 73, Eric Moderator www.elecraft.com _..._ On Dec 28, 2012, at 3:44 PM, Bill K9YEQ wrote: > Fred, > Likewise. I have so much Elecraft stuff I don't want to miss anything > important to me. I don't bother with any messages that don't include the > proper subject. It goes into the deleted folder. > 73, > Bill __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
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Fred, Likewise. I have so much Elecraft stuff I don't want to miss anything important to me. I don't bother with any messages that don't include the proper subject. It goes into the deleted folder. 73, Bill K9YEQ K2 FT, KX1 FT, KX3 FT, KAT500 FT -Original Message- If there's going to be a vote [which I sincerely doubt], I vote for one list. I have yet to exhaust the capabilities of T-Bird in filtering and segregating messages. Including the Elecraft product(s) in the subject line really really helps, but even if not there, 98%+ of the Elecraft list messages still end up where I want them. 73, Fred K6DGW - Northern California Contest Club - CU in the 2013 Cal QSO Party 5-6 Oct 2013 - www.cqp.org "In this age, the first thing you need to learn is the location of the Del key." Leo Endres, Philosopher and software engineer On 12/28/2012 10:26 AM, Barry wrote: > As Elecraft products continue to grow in number and popularity, a single > list will become more and more unmanageable over time. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Long Messages
If there's going to be a vote [which I sincerely doubt], I vote for one list. I have yet to exhaust the capabilities of T-Bird in filtering and segregating messages. Including the Elecraft product(s) in the subject line really really helps, but even if not there, 98%+ of the Elecraft list messages still end up where I want them. 73, Fred K6DGW - Northern California Contest Club - CU in the 2013 Cal QSO Party 5-6 Oct 2013 - www.cqp.org "In this age, the first thing you need to learn is the location of the Del key." Leo Endres, Philosopher and software engineer On 12/28/2012 10:26 AM, Barry wrote: As Elecraft products continue to grow in number and popularity, a single list will become more and more unmanageable over time. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Long Messages
Tnx for the info, Dave. When I joined the list a few years ago, everything went into its proper subfolder, and I just assumed it was an automated process. As Elecraft products continue to grow in number and popularity, a single list will become more and more unmanageable over time. 73, Barry W2UP David Windisch wrote > Yeh . . . It's not broken, Barry, just doing only the limited tasks its > code allows. > > I had a conversation or two with the individual who (formerly and somewhat > regularly) sorted things manually. It's still manual. He wanted to know > if I could cruft (sic) some autosort code; I replied, with thanks for the > implied flattery, that it's always been above my abilities, much more > (less?) my paygrade. For example, I have no idea how to construct > effective error traps. > > Brgds and HNY, > Dave, N3HE > - Original Message - > From: Barry [via Elecraft] > To: David Windisch > Sent: Friday, December 28, 2012 9:09 AM > Subject: Re: Long Messages > > > Nabble appears somewhat broken. It rarely sorts messages these days, > even with a title which includes something like [K3]. > > For example, the last 8 K3 posts which were placed in the K3 > subdirectory date back to Dec 2, and the last 8 P3 posts date back to Oct > 2, with only one in Dec and one in Nov. > > Barry W2UP > > > David Windisch wrote > Hi, all concerned: > > In my not so mumbled opinion, if everyone would: > > 1. read msgs *online* from Nabble *only*, and > > 2. post *online* only to the official Nabble sub-groups, and > > 3. on the subject line, enclose the official Nabble sub-group's name > in brackets, for example like this: [K3], followed by the poster's subject > for discussion, and > > 4. read and heed the moderator's "sticky" posted regulations at the > top of each sub-group, especially the > Topics or first group, > > we might save some poor soul from having to decide a thousand times a > day what msg should be moved from the Topics group to which sub-group. > > But . . . what do I know? I'm just a reader like you fellas. > > Brgds and HNY, > Dave, N3HE > > > > -- > > If you reply to this email, your message will be added to the discussion > below: > > http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Long-Messages-tp7567785p7567811.html > To unsubscribe from Long Messages, click here. > NAML -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Long-Messages-tp7567785p7567827.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Long Messages
Most email clients have a filter mechanism where which allows you to put messages into a folder you specify. For instance, I filter on "[Elecraft]" and all reflector posts go into the Elecraft folder. I can quickly exercise the delete key unless it is something I think is worth keeping. In that case, I could manually move it to a sub-folder if I desired. I find it is easier to handle my email with my Thunderbird email client than to attempt to view it on the web. I only use the web for things I want to dig out of the archives. YMMV Try the filters, they make life more bearable than having everything rolled up in one Inbox. 73, Don W3FPR On 12/28/2012 10:20 AM, Ken G Kopp wrote: I've never found Nabble to be "usable"... won't use it. Reading this list hasn't been a problem for me, either. 73! K0PP __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Long Messages
I've never found Nabble to be "usable"... won't use it. Reading this list hasn't been a problem for me, either. 73! K0PP On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 2:09 PM, Barry wrote: > Nabble appears somewhat broken. It rarely sorts messages these days, even > with a title which includes something like [K3]. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Long Messages
Yeh . . . It's not broken, Barry, just doing only the limited tasks its code allows. I had a conversation or two with the individual who (formerly and somewhat regularly) sorted things manually. It's still manual. He wanted to know if I could cruft (sic) some autosort code; I replied, with thanks for the implied flattery, that it's always been above my abilities, much more (less?) my paygrade. For example, I have no idea how to construct effective error traps. You may have noticed my experimenting with the list parameters from time. That's how I concluded that there are more ways to access msgs than the present Nabble code can handle well. I go back and delete my posts after an interval, as well. Paranoia, you know, and, yes, I know they're archived *somewhere. If people restrict themselves to Nabble's live-access mode for reading and posting, the problem will probably morph into server inadequacy. It's just another c l i f f (thud) to work around, heh heh. Brgds and HNY, Dave, N3HE - Original Message - From: Barry [via Elecraft] To: David Windisch Sent: Friday, December 28, 2012 9:09 AM Subject: Re: Long Messages Nabble appears somewhat broken. It rarely sorts messages these days, even with a title which includes something like [K3]. For example, the last 8 K3 posts which were placed in the K3 subdirectory date back to Dec 2, and the last 8 P3 posts date back to Oct 2, with only one in Dec and one in Nov. Barry W2UP David Windisch wrote Hi, all concerned: In my not so mumbled opinion, if everyone would: 1. read msgs *online* from Nabble *only*, and 2. post *online* only to the official Nabble sub-groups, and 3. on the subject line, enclose the official Nabble sub-group's name in brackets, for example like this: [K3], followed by the poster's subject for discussion, and 4. read and heed the moderator's "sticky" posted regulations at the top of each sub-group, especially the Topics or first group, we might save some poor soul from having to decide a thousand times a day what msg should be moved from the Topics group to which sub-group. But . . . what do I know? I'm just a reader like you fellas. Brgds and HNY, Dave, N3HE -- If you reply to this email, your message will be added to the discussion below: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Long-Messages-tp7567785p7567811.html To unsubscribe from Long Messages, click here. NAML -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Long-Messages-tp7567785p7567815.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Long Messages
Yeh, Mike, the point of what I wrote was not a call for new groups, but to start doin' it right, ie, by the moderator's rules, with the existing groups. Oh, welll. - Original Message - From: Mike Rodgers [via Elecraft] To: David Windisch Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2012 8:06 PM Subject: Re: Long Messages The moderator has always expressed his concern to not make seperate lists. It used to be practice to start the subject line with the model like [K3] but the group as a whole will not keep this up. It helps those that have filters to seperate them. BIGSNIP -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Long-Messages-tp7567785p7567814.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Long Messages
Nabble appears somewhat broken. It rarely sorts messages these days, even with a title which includes something like [K3]. For example, the last 8 K3 posts which were placed in the K3 subdirectory date back to Dec 2, and the last 8 P3 posts date back to Oct 2, with only one in Dec and one in Nov. Barry W2UP David Windisch wrote > Hi, all concerned: > > In my not so mumbled opinion, if everyone would: > > 1. read msgs *online* from Nabble *only*, and > > 2. post *online* only to the official Nabble sub-groups, and > > 3. on the subject line, enclose the official Nabble sub-group's name in > brackets, for example like this: [K3], followed by the poster's subject > for discussion, and > > 4. read and heed the moderator's "sticky" posted regulations at the top of > each sub-group, especially the > Topics or first group, > > we might save some poor soul from having to decide a thousand times a day > what msg should be moved from the Topics group to which sub-group. > > But . . . what do I know? I'm just a reader like you fellas. > > Brgds and HNY, > Dave, N3HE -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Long-Messages-tp7567785p7567811.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Elecraft] Elecraft - Long Messages
My two cents: Filtering works with individual mail delivery, but not so good with the digest format. Simply cutting extra dialog or repetitive content from one's message will go a long way. I don't believe there is a need to include an entire thread in every relative reply. Fellas..just snip it!!! Charlie, W4FI __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Long Messages
The moderator has always expressed his concern to not make seperate lists. It used to be practice to start the subject line with the model like [K3] but the group as a whole will not keep this up. It helps those that have filters to seperate them. Context for above message: essage: 28 Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2012 23:33:14 + From: David Dunn To: "elecraft@mailman.qth.net" Subject: [Elecraft] Long Messages Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hear Hear on your comments Larry K2GN I skim thru nearly all the reflector postings, a time consuming task, and often find initially it is about a subject of no interest to me. But of course one picks up much info on the way - If only I could remember it all !! I would like to see say three categories, K3 (my interest) Kx3 perhaps incorporated with other qrp gear like KX1 and perhaps accessories which could be P3 and KPA500 and KAT500etc. What do others think? David VK3DBD/G3SCD ( K3 and KPA500 and KAT 500 on the way) 73 Mike R Play me some fiddle, but no stinkin' violin! Amateur/Ham Radio KE5GBC HF & Echolink mobile __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Long Messages
Hi, all concerned: In my not so mumbled opinion, if everyone would: 1. read msgs *online* from Nabble *only*, and 2. post *online* only to the official Nabble sub-groups, and 3. on the subject line, enclose the official Nabble sub-group's name in brackets, for example like this: [K3], followed by the poster's subject for discussion, and 4. read and heed the moderator's "sticky" posted regulations at the top of each sub-group, especially the Topics or first group, we might save some poor soul from having to decide a thousand times a day what msg should be moved from the Topics group to which sub-group. But . . . what do I know? I'm just a reader like you fellas. Brgds and HNY, Dave, N3HE -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Long-Messages-tp7567785p7567797.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Long Messages
Use the piece of equipment you want to follow and use the word in the subject of the filter you are building. E.G, KX3. All subjects with KX3 will wind up where you want. The rest: simply delete. Or send all to the trash except the KX3. 73, Bill K9YEQ -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of K2GN Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2012 5:53 PM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Long Messages It's really easier than that. A properly identified message - either in the subject or by using things like - [K3], or [P3] etc.. would allow fast id'ing of the message and even filtering and filing of messages in their own mail folder. I've been using that scheme but guys just don't format the subject line well enough for it to work. Bottom line - better subjects and less chit chat goes a long way towards helping things. Larry/K2GN - http://k2gn.com -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of David Dunn Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2012 6:33 PM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] Long Messages Hear Hear on your comments Larry K2GN I skim thru nearly all the reflector postings, a time consuming task, and often find initially it is about a subject of no interest to me. But of course one picks up much info on the way - If only I could remember it all !! I would like to see say three categories, K3 (my interest) Kx3 perhaps incorporated with other qrp gear like KX1 and perhaps accessories which could be P3 and KPA500 and KAT500etc. What do others think? David VK3DBD/G3SCD ( K3 and KPA500 and KAT 500 on the way) __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Long Messages
On 12/27/2012 3:33 PM, David Dunn wrote: > I would like to see say three categories, K3 (my interest) Kx3 > perhaps incorporated with other qrp gear like KX1 and perhaps > accessories which could be P3 and KPA500 and KAT500etc. > > What do others think? I have filters on my e-mail reader (Thunderbird) that will examine the subject line and/or body of the messages as they are downloaded and direct them into the following subfolders: Elecraft General (no reference to K2 or K3), Elecraft K2 (my rig), Elecraft K3 (also catches the "children" of K3 and P3), and Elecraft Misc (other products such as KPA500). May not work for everybody but it works for me. 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane Elecraft K2/100 s/n 5402 >From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Long Messages
It's really easier than that. A properly identified message - either in the subject or by using things like - [K3], or [P3] etc.. would allow fast id'ing of the message and even filtering and filing of messages in their own mail folder. I've been using that scheme but guys just don't format the subject line well enough for it to work. Bottom line - better subjects and less chit chat goes a long way towards helping things. Larry/K2GN - http://k2gn.com -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of David Dunn Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2012 6:33 PM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] Long Messages Hear Hear on your comments Larry K2GN I skim thru nearly all the reflector postings, a time consuming task, and often find initially it is about a subject of no interest to me. But of course one picks up much info on the way - If only I could remember it all !! I would like to see say three categories, K3 (my interest) Kx3 perhaps incorporated with other qrp gear like KX1 and perhaps accessories which could be P3 and KPA500 and KAT500etc. What do others think? David VK3DBD/G3SCD ( K3 and KPA500 and KAT 500 on the way) __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Elecraft] Long Messages
Hear Hear on your comments Larry K2GN I skim thru nearly all the reflector postings, a time consuming task, and often find initially it is about a subject of no interest to me. But of course one picks up much info on the way - If only I could remember it all !! I would like to see say three categories, K3 (my interest) Kx3 perhaps incorporated with other qrp gear like KX1 and perhaps accessories which could be P3 and KPA500 and KAT500etc. What do others think? David VK3DBD/G3SCD ( K3 and KPA500 and KAT 500 on the way) __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
