Re: [Elecraft] New Eham.net K3 review by QRPNEW
Hello OM, When I read the reviews in the eham, I, in fact, deliberately look for the lower end markings. It is up to myself to make my own determination but it is always very interesting in reading those 'odd remarks'. Don't just grossly ignore those comments. Sometimes, they will give you some insights and let you view from other angles. There are areas in K3 which I really don't like though it is still a keeper for me. 73 Johnny Siu VR2XMC K3, K2, IC7800, IC7700, FTDX9k --- 2009年1月27日 星期二，W0MU Mike Fatchett w...@w0mu.com 寫道﹕ 寄件人: W0MU Mike Fatchett w...@w0mu.com 主題: Re: [Elecraft] New Eham.net K3 review by QRPNEW 收件人: a...@cablespeed.com, 'R.Kevin Stover' rksto...@mchsi.com, 'Bruce McLaughlin' bmcla...@bex.net, 'HB9DRV)' si...@hb9drv.ch' 'Simon @mailman.qth.net 副本(CC): elecraft@mailman.qth.net 日期: 2009 1 27 星期二 上午 12:08 I am or was a knob guy. When contesting I liked having knobs that I could turn if I need to do so vs. having to enter into a menu in the heat of a contact or pileup to change something. What I have found with the K3, I just don't feel the need to do anything other than turn the vfo knob or tighten up the roofing filters. I own two FT-2000's and they do look cool and work fine but they don't work as well as the K3. Mike W0MU -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Greg - AB7R Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 8:21 AM To: 'R.Kevin Stover'; 'Bruce McLaughlin'; HB9DRV)' si...@hb9drv.ch Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] New Eham.net K3 review by QRPNEW Very simply put you know how big a radio is before you buy it. You look at the specs...if its too small for you, get something that isn't. - 73, Greg - AB7R Whidbey Island WA NA-065 On Mon Jan 26 7:17 , Simon \(HB9DRV\) sent: - Original Message - From: R. Kevin Stover rksto...@mchsi.com Any review for a high performance transceiver which starts off complaining about the size of the box and the lack of enough knobs needs to be looked at with a jaundiced eye. Why? It's about usability... I'm colour-blind, have ageing eyes and small hands. For me it's usability, usability, usability, a good receiver and a clean transmitter. Simon Brown, HB9DRV www.ham-radio-deluxe.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com Yahoo!香港提供網上安全攻略，教你如何防範黑客! 請前往 http://hk.promo.yahoo.com/security/ 了解更多!___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] New Eham.net K3 review by QRPNEW
I see that a new review of the K3 has appeared on Eham.net which will no doubt raise the hackles of the paid-up members of the Elecraft fan club, and cause nods of agreement from many others. http://www.eham.net/reviews/detail/6673 - Julian, G4ILO. K2 #392 K3 #222. http://www.g4ilo.com/ G4ILO's Shack http://www.ham-directory.com/ Ham Directoryhttp://www.g4ilo.com/kcomm.html KComm for Elecraft K2 and K3 -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/New-Eham.net-K3-review-by-QRPNEW-tp2218086p2218086.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] New Eham.net K3 review by QRPNEW
One of the more amazing aspects of that review was his claim that he did not know the size of the K-3 before he ordered it. It's size is certainly not kept a secret. Apparently, he does not bother to read the literature before he buys something. That's incredible. As far as the performance aspects he mentions, I don't know what radio he was using (if in fact he was using a radio) but it certainly does not remotely resemble either of my K-3s. His comments about a perceived need to constantly re-center the roofing filters causes me to wonder whether he has any idea of what roofing filters are supposed to do or how they work. But mainly, I truly wonder if he is ever actually operated the K-3. While he was at it, I am rather surprised he did not give it a rating of 0/5 rather than the 3/5. His remarks are so foreign to what many other owners, the ARRL and Sherwood engineering, not forgetting W8JI have all noted with respect to the radio that one has to wonder about his motives in making the comments. Certainly, he is entitled to his opinion just as we are entitled to read it and forget it. Bruce-W8FU -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Julian, G4ILO Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 9:15 AM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] New Eham.net K3 review by QRPNEW I see that a new review of the K3 has appeared on Eham.net which will no doubt raise the hackles of the paid-up members of the Elecraft fan club, and cause nods of agreement from many others. http://www.eham.net/reviews/detail/6673 - Julian, G4ILO. K2 #392 K3 #222. http://www.g4ilo.com/ G4ILO's Shack http://www.ham-directory.com/ Ham Directoryhttp://www.g4ilo.com/kcomm.html KComm for Elecraft K2 and K3 -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/New-Eham.net-K3-review-by-QRPNEW-tp2218086p2218086.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] New Eham.net K3 review by QRPNEW
Can we expect the many others to be posting for sale notices for their K3's on the reflector? I doubt it. Julian, G4ILO wrote: I see that a new review of the K3 has appeared on Eham.net which will no doubt raise the hackles of the paid-up members of the Elecraft fan club, and cause nods of agreement from many others. -- R. Kevin Stover, ACØH ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] New Eham.net K3 review by QRPNEW
Julian, G4ILO wrote: I see that a new review of the K3 has appeared on Eham.net which will no doubt raise the hackles of the paid-up members of the Elecraft fan club, and cause nods of agreement from many others. http://www.eham.net/reviews/detail/6673 Just another appliance operator addicted to Icom/Yaesu Kool-Aid. I loved this comment: THE ONLY ATTRIBUTE THAT YOU CAN COMMEND THE K3 ON IS ITS EXCELLENT RECEIVER SPECIFICATIONS. Is there much else that really matters? All the big knobs, flashy displays and boat anchor rigs would have been sucking big time in the CQ 160 CW Contest this weekend. Just another example that it takes absolutely no intelligence to make a public fool of yourself on eHam (which is probably why he did so anonymously). When the CQ 160 CW soapbox comments are available, I'll post a link with comments on the K3 by serious operators...not the appliance variety. 73, Bill W4ZV -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/New-Eham.net-K3-review-by-QRPNEW-tp2218086p2218330.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] New Eham.net K3 review by QRPNEW
I see that a new review of the K3 has appeared on Eham.net which will no doubt raise the hackles of the paid-up members of the Elecraft fan club, and cause nods of agreement from many others. http://www.eham.net/reviews/detail/6673 - Julian, G4ILO. K2 #392 K3 #222. I read the review, and while QRPNEW took a few unwarranted pot shots at the K3, I also thought he made some interesting and valid points. The gist of his comments is that the K3 can't quite decide whether it wants to be a small portable transceiver, or a full-sized full-featured base station transceiver, and in trying to be both it falls short in several respects. In my own station I can toggle back and forth between my K3 and my FT2000D. The Yaesu has it own problems, as anyone who reads the Yaesu reflectors will soon learn, but it is clearly more user friendly than the K3. Changing bands and modes is much more convenient, the tuning knob is larger and has a wonderful silky smooth feel, there are dedicated knobs for the monitor, keyer speed, processor, and other common functions, the display is easier to read and more informative, the S-meter is much better, etc. None of these speak to the actual electrical performance of the FT2000, but just to its convenience and useability. What QRPNEW would like to see is an Elecraft that combines the user friendliness of the best Japanese radios with the electrical sophistication of the K3. While QRPNEW would probably agree that the K3 is the ultimate Dxpedition rig, he correctly observes that most hams merely want a top-performing rig that stays put in their station and that is easy to use. Like many other Elecraft devotees, I was somewhat offended by the tone of QRPNEW's criticism. However, I don't think there is much to be gained by being defensive or dismissive of the substance of _some_ of his remarks. As Wayne and the other folks at Elecraft think about the future of their product line, I hope they keep some of his points in mind. 73, Jim W8ZR ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] New Eham.net K3 review by QRPNEW
I am happy with MY K3. I never believe anything from an anonymous source. It shall be filed in the round file where it belongs. Tom GM4FDM Bruce McLaughlin wrote: One of the more amazing aspects of that review was his claim that he did not know the size of the K-3 before he ordered it. It's size is certainly not kept a secret. Apparently, he does not bother to read the literature before he buys something. That's incredible. As far as the performance aspects he mentions, I don't know what radio he was using (if in fact he was using a radio) but it certainly does not remotely resemble either of my K-3s. His comments about a perceived need to constantly re-center the roofing filters causes me to wonder whether he has any idea of what roofing filters are supposed to do or how they work. But mainly, I truly wonder if he is ever actually operated the K-3. While he was at it, I am rather surprised he did not give it a rating of 0/5 rather than the 3/5. His remarks are so foreign to what many other owners, the ARRL and Sherwood engineering, not forgetting W8JI have all noted with respect to the radio that one has to wonder about his motives in making the comments. Certainly, he is entitled to his opinion just as we are entitled to read it and forget it. Bruce-W8FU -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Julian, G4ILO Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 9:15 AM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] New Eham.net K3 review by QRPNEW I see that a new review of the K3 has appeared on Eham.net which will no doubt raise the hackles of the paid-up members of the Elecraft fan club, and cause nods of agreement from many others. http://www.eham.net/reviews/detail/6673 - Julian, G4ILO. K2 #392 K3 #222. http://www.g4ilo.com/ G4ILO's Shack http://www.ham-directory.com/ Ham Directoryhttp://www.g4ilo.com/kcomm.html KComm for Elecraft K2 and K3 -- So I met the bloke who invented crosswords today. I can't remember his name, it's P something T something R. --- avast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 090125-0, 25/01/2009 Tested on: 26/01/2009 15:08:09 avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2009 ALWIL Software. http://www.avast.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] New Eham.net K3 review by QRPNEW
- Original Message - From: Jim Garland 4cx2...@muohio.edu ...he correctly observes that most hams merely want a top-performing rig that stays put in their station and that is easy to use. I've recommended the K3 to quite a few people, none have bought it due to the small size. Price was not an issue, usability was. I too would have bought a K4 variant were it available - the K3 with a full-sized front panel. As it is I'm waiting for the IC-7600 as I have a need for a 6m rig with bandscope and some meteor scatter software I want to write, also I'm waiting for more information on Kenwood's high-end offering late in 2009 or early-ish 2010. Simon Brown, HB9DRV www.ham-radio-deluxe.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] New Eham.net K3 review by QRPNEW
Any review for a high performance transceiver which starts off complaining about the size of the box and the lack of enough knobs needs to be looked at with a jaundiced eye. I don't know where or when the idea that only BIG radios with lots of knobs (3/4 of which never get used) should be some kind of standard related to performance. I also automatically discount ANY E-Ham review posted by someone who won't post under their own call sign. Bruce McLaughlin wrote: One of the more amazing aspects of that review was his claim that he did not know the size of the K-3 before he ordered it. It's size is certainly not kept a secret. Apparently, he does not bother to read the literature before he buys something. That's incredible. As far as the performance aspects he mentions, I don't know what radio he was using (if in fact he was using a radio) but it certainly does not remotely resemble either of my K-3s. His comments about a perceived need to constantly re-center the roofing filters causes me to wonder whether he has any idea of what roofing filters are supposed to do or how they work. But mainly, I truly wonder if he is ever actually operated the K-3. While he was at it, I am rather surprised he did not give it a rating of 0/5 rather than the 3/5. His remarks are so foreign to what many other owners, the ARRL and Sherwood engineering, not forgetting W8JI have all noted with respect to the radio that one has to wonder about his motives in making the comments. Certainly, he is entitled to his opinion just as we are entitled to read it and forget it. Bruce-W8FU -- R. Kevin Stover, ACØH ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] New Eham.net K3 review by QRPNEW
- Original Message - From: R. Kevin Stover rksto...@mchsi.com Any review for a high performance transceiver which starts off complaining about the size of the box and the lack of enough knobs needs to be looked at with a jaundiced eye. Why? It's about usability... I'm colour-blind, have ageing eyes and small hands. For me it's usability, usability, usability, a good receiver and a clean transmitter. Simon Brown, HB9DRV www.ham-radio-deluxe.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] New Eham.net K3 review by QRPNEW
Very simply put you know how big a radio is before you buy it. You look at the specs...if its too small for you, get something that isn't. - 73, Greg - AB7R Whidbey Island WA NA-065 On Mon Jan 26 7:17 , Simon \(HB9DRV\) sent: - Original Message - From: R. Kevin Stover rksto...@mchsi.com Any review for a high performance transceiver which starts off complaining about the size of the box and the lack of enough knobs needs to be looked at with a jaundiced eye. Why? It's about usability... I'm colour-blind, have ageing eyes and small hands. For me it's usability, usability, usability, a good receiver and a clean transmitter. Simon Brown, HB9DRV www.ham-radio-deluxe.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] New Eham.net K3 review by QRPNEW
Bill W4ZV wrote: I loved this comment: THE ONLY ATTRIBUTE THAT YOU CAN COMMEND THE K3 ON IS ITS EXCELLENT RECEIVER SPECIFICATIONS. Is there much else that really matters? I can't believe that you would write that, Bill. I would have thought that transmitter specifications were equally important, and one of the points this reviewer made (and also being discussed in another thread here, right now) is that he received reports of splatter. Given that the qualities of the K3 receiver make this transceiver more likely than most to be driving a linear to the full legal limit in a contest or big gun DX station, I would have thought that transmitter specifications of comparable excellence to the receiver were also essential. - Julian, G4ILO. K2 #392 K3 #222. http://www.g4ilo.com/ G4ILO's Shack http://www.ham-directory.com/ Ham Directoryhttp://www.g4ilo.com/kcomm.html KComm for Elecraft K2 and K3 -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/New-Eham.net-K3-review-by-QRPNEW-tp2218086p2218502.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] New Eham.net K3 review by QRPNEW
I read the review, and while QRPNEW took a few unwarranted pot shots at the K3, I also thought he made some interesting and valid points. This review is either a joke or the creation of someone who doesn't understand the purpose of a HF transceiver. It was clear, just partway through, that this anonymous poster had zero credibility. The gist of his comments is that the K3 can't quite decide whether it wants to be a small portable transceiver, or a full-sized full-featured base station transceiver, and in trying to be both it falls short in several respects. This statement is completely backwards. One of the incredible achievements of the K3 is that it is the most portable of serious HF transceivers AND it outperforms other HP transceivers in all the ways that matter. Yes, there are some specific situations and specific users for which the K3 is not perfect, but the radio hits the mark for the vast majority of diverse users. Ed - W0YK ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] New Eham.net K3 review by QRPNEW
Julian, G4ILO wrote: Bill W4ZV wrote: I loved this comment: THE ONLY ATTRIBUTE THAT YOU CAN COMMEND THE K3 ON IS ITS EXCELLENT RECEIVER SPECIFICATIONS. Is there much else that really matters? I can't believe that you would write that, Bill. I would have thought that transmitter specifications were equally important, and one of the points this reviewer made (and also being discussed in another thread here, right now) is that he received reports of splatter. Given that the qualities of the K3 receiver make this transceiver more likely than most to be driving a linear to the full legal limit in a contest or big gun DX station, I would have thought that transmitter specifications of comparable excellence to the receiver were also essential. First of all I don't operate much SSB (my mike isn't even connected now). Although I hold all 3 USA 10m records on SSB (CQ WW, ARRL DX, CQ WPX), I don't plan to be on SSB much until Cycle 24 allows 10m again and am quite sure by that time Elecraft will have addressed any TX issues on SSB (if they have not already done so). Actually I believe they have. This character seems to have gleaned every possible negative from past postings and not recognized that Elecraft has already addressed many of the issues. His comment about VRF shows his ignorance. The K3 doesn't need the crutch of another expensive pre-selector because its basic front end is excellent. The other issue I find quite curious is this newfound interest in TX characteristics. Where has everyone been the past ~18 years? The FT-1000 family (D, MP, Mark V) has been a factory CW click generator for years and yet people have still flocked to buy more. The Icom 765 and 756 family are nothing to rave about either. W8JI's measurements of TX IMD were not bad, so his units may have been bought after the Elecraft firmware fixes. From Tom's eHam review: I measured around -35 to -38 dB SSB transmitter IM3, better than my other radios. The transmitter is flawlessly clean on CW also. (Aug. 25, 2008) Who do I tend to believe? W8JI or QRPNEW? I'll let you decide. 73, Bill -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/New-Eham.net-K3-review-by-QRPNEW-tp2218086p2218696.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] New Eham.net K3 review by QRPNEW
Would you write a review like that if you were going to sell the radio? I think I'd wait until after I sold it. Pure BS. John k7up ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] New Eham.net K3 review by QRPNEW
Ah, a clever ruse by competitor(s). Dave, W5UN www.w5un.net ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] New Eham.net K3 review by QRPNEW
I am or was a knob guy. When contesting I liked having knobs that I could turn if I need to do so vs. having to enter into a menu in the heat of a contact or pileup to change something. What I have found with the K3, I just don't feel the need to do anything other than turn the vfo knob or tighten up the roofing filters. I own two FT-2000's and they do look cool and work fine but they don't work as well as the K3. Mike W0MU -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Greg - AB7R Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 8:21 AM To: 'R.Kevin Stover'; 'Bruce McLaughlin'; HB9DRV)' si...@hb9drv.ch Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] New Eham.net K3 review by QRPNEW Very simply put you know how big a radio is before you buy it. You look at the specs...if its too small for you, get something that isn't. - 73, Greg - AB7R Whidbey Island WA NA-065 On Mon Jan 26 7:17 , Simon \(HB9DRV\) sent: - Original Message - From: R. Kevin Stover rksto...@mchsi.com Any review for a high performance transceiver which starts off complaining about the size of the box and the lack of enough knobs needs to be looked at with a jaundiced eye. Why? It's about usability... I'm colour-blind, have ageing eyes and small hands. For me it's usability, usability, usability, a good receiver and a clean transmitter. Simon Brown, HB9DRV www.ham-radio-deluxe.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] New Eham.net K3 review by QRPNEW
You're absolutely right. It's really odd but his criticism of the small size of the K-3 would undoubtedly be one of the easiest things to change should the spirit move the company. I also own an Orion II. Opening the case of that radio is a revelation. It has lots of empty space. It is obvious it could have been packaged in a much smaller container. However, I'm sure the objective of the designers was to have a larger radio for those who want it. I ensure Elecraft could do the same thing -- repackage the existing electronics of the K-3 into a much larger box and shazam, we would have the K-4. I am not discounting the desires of some to have a physically larger radio with the same electrical performance of the K-3. But I don't think it is wise to forget what I'm sure was an important design criteria of the team which designed the radio -- make it as complete as possible in a small, portable container so it can be used in as many circumstances as possible. I also have an FT 1000D which has many desirable qualities, considering its age. But at 50+ pounds I guarantee it will not be going on many trips with me. That is in contrast to the K-3 which would travel very well with the possible problem that I might have trouble finding it in the car when I reach my destination. Bruce-W8FU -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Ed Muns Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 10:44 AM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] New Eham.net K3 review by QRPNEW I read the review, and while QRPNEW took a few unwarranted pot shots at the K3, I also thought he made some interesting and valid points. This review is either a joke or the creation of someone who doesn't understand the purpose of a HF transceiver. It was clear, just partway through, that this anonymous poster had zero credibility. The gist of his comments is that the K3 can't quite decide whether it wants to be a small portable transceiver, or a full-sized full-featured base station transceiver, and in trying to be both it falls short in several respects. This statement is completely backwards. One of the incredible achievements of the K3 is that it is the most portable of serious HF transceivers AND it outperforms other HP transceivers in all the ways that matter. Yes, there are some specific situations and specific users for which the K3 is not perfect, but the radio hits the mark for the vast majority of diverse users. Ed - W0YK ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] New Eham.net K3 review by QRPNEW
I can remember maybe a half dozen or so for sale notices for K3's on this list in the last year. Including HB9DRV's and the other you mentioned. Lets call it 10 to be generous. I haven't seen many for sale anywhere, QRZ, E-Ham, eBay, etc Add them all up from all sources call it 100. 100 out of 2500+ built and not all of those 100 have been sold because it's not a great radio. I suspect a vast majority of those sold were sold because the user couldn't get their head around the hybrid nature of the K3. Part traditional superhet, part SDR. The K3 is not an appliance operator's radio. You need to pay attention to what you are fiddling with in the menu's. The chances of someone taking the K3 right out of the box and getting it tweaked for max performance without cracking the manual are slim to none. How many posts have we seen on this list from folks asking questions which are clearly answered in the manual? There is a paradigm shift coming to Ham Radio with SDR and the new technologies. Radio's are going to get smaller with fewer knobs. The Flex 5000 doesn't have a single knob on it. The Flex 3000 is smaller than my laptop and also has no knobs. The Ten-Tec Orion I/II, the first SDR/hybrid, is a colossal waste of sheet metal. There's four circuit boards in the Orion. They could have put the same four boards in something the size of the Jupiter. Matter of fact they pretty much did with the OMNI VII. There are always going to be people who run something down because it doesn't work the way they THINK it should work or it requires more mental effort than plug and play. It's amazing to me that some Hams will spend 10's of thousands of dollars and hundreds of hours on towers and antennas looking for that last fraction of a dB in gain but when the radio they bought has a sub par receiver they'll ignore that simply because the box is big and has the required 70 knobs/controls. Or, is the 5 digit price tag? Julian G4ILO wrote: At least one already has, if you look back a few days. He chose not to share his reasons with the group, but he did with me, as I was nosey enough to ask, and several of the reasons he gave echo what QRPNEW has just written. Julian, G4ILO -- R. Kevin Stover, ACØH ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] New Eham.net K3 review by QRPNEW
We are assuming he actually owns the radio. That may be unwarranted. It's obvious from the review that he does not much like the radio. I am curious about what is really going on. I recently purchased a radio accessory which will remain unnamed. I should have read some other reviews before I purchased it. Although I tend to take such reviews with a grain of salt. When they are universally bad as those were, perhaps there is something to them. In any case my experience with the item was such that the negative reviews were quickly confirmed. The unit is really total garbage. Even so, I fail to see the benefit in wasting any more time or energy. I guess that sometime you get champagne and sometime you come up with vinegar. But even vinegar has its good points. I've discovered the cat is having a ball playing with the unit which, for a cat, has an absolutely fascinating set of cables going into and out of the box! Bruce-W8FU From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of John Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 11:01 AM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] New Eham.net K3 review by QRPNEW Would you write a review like that if you were going to sell the radio? I think I'd wait until after I sold it. Pure BS. John k7up ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] New Eham.net K3 review by QRPNEW
Bill and others, hold on and think about these figures. -35 to -38 dB IM3 !! We are dealing with 2SC2782 transistors operating at around 12V DC. I say no more, the knowledge and intelligent individual will understand. / Jim SM2EKM - Bill W4ZV wrote: I measured around -35 to -38 dB SSB transmitter IM3, better than my other radios. The transmitter is flawlessly clean on CW also. (Aug. 25, 2008) Who do I tend to believe? W8JI or QRPNEW? I'll let you decide. 73, Bill ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] New Eham.net K3 review by QRPNEW
QRPNEW has posted on the K3 before and in both cases he (or she) had a long list of complaints. I have a hard time giving any credence to people who hide who they are and play games with reviews either to make themselves look good or educated and just bash a product. No product is perfect and yes the K3 will not suit everyone. But if QRPNEW didn't like the K3 in April of 2008 he (or she) should have sold it. By the way I will buy it if QRPNEW wants to sell. If QRPNEW Is so dissatisfied I think I may get a real bargain. I believe that only valid licensed HAM's should be allowed to post or folks with real names and locations. just my two pennies. Dan AB3EN Julian, G4ILO wrote: I see that a new review of the K3 has appeared on Eham.net which will no doubt raise the hackles of the paid-up members of the Elecraft fan club, and cause nods of agreement from many others. http://www.eham.net/reviews/detail/6673 - Dan AB3EN -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/New-Eham.net-K3-review-by-QRPNEW-tp2218086p2218930.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] New Eham.net K3 review by QRPNEW
On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 08:00:41AM -0700, Jim Garland wrote: I see that a new review of the K3 has appeared on Eham.net which will no doubt raise the hackles of the paid-up members of the Elecraft fan club, and cause nods of agreement from many others. http://www.eham.net/reviews/detail/6673 - Julian, G4ILO. K2 #392 K3 #222. I read the review, and while QRPNEW took a few unwarranted pot shots at the K3, I also thought he made some interesting and valid points. The gist of his comments is that the K3 can't quite decide whether it wants to be a small portable transceiver, or a full-sized full-featured base station transceiver, and in trying to be both it falls short in several respects. Well said. Another thing to consider is that a lot of the review is related to the use of the radio on SSB rather than CW. Elecraft has never had the same overall high-end achievement for phone operation as it has had for CW operation. A $700 used Kenwood TS-850 stands up pretty well against an Elecraft K3 in a phone contest. -- Kenneth E. Harker WM5R kenhar...@kenharker.com http://www.kenharker.com/ ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] New Eham.net K3 review by QRPNEW
Actually when 10 meters opened up last Saturday I fired up my 850 for a while on SSB. I went back to the K3. I could get much closer to signals with the K3 without desense. I have been very happy with the K3 using the N8LP Panadaptor. I've been able to get very close to 40 over signals with no problems. My other rigs won't. I use the K3 rx not PwrSdr. I drive the K3 from the PC though. I do wish the K3 was like my Ft2000 was as far as size, etc. BUT I would not go back. On 160 phone I see 40 over signals all of the time with no problems at all. I run phone most of the time. I'm very happy with the K3. Randy K8RDD On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 11:40 AM, Kenneth E. Harker kenhar...@kenharker.com wrote: On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 08:00:41AM -0700, Jim Garland wrote: I see that a new review of the K3 has appeared on Eham.net which will no doubt raise the hackles of the paid-up members of the Elecraft fan club, and cause nods of agreement from many others. http://www.eham.net/reviews/detail/6673 - Julian, G4ILO. K2 #392 K3 #222. I read the review, and while QRPNEW took a few unwarranted pot shots at the K3, I also thought he made some interesting and valid points. The gist of his comments is that the K3 can't quite decide whether it wants to be a small portable transceiver, or a full-sized full-featured base station transceiver, and in trying to be both it falls short in several respects. Well said. Another thing to consider is that a lot of the review is related to the use of the radio on SSB rather than CW. Elecraft has never had the same overall high-end achievement for phone operation as it has had for CW operation. A $700 used Kenwood TS-850 stands up pretty well against an Elecraft K3 in a phone contest. -- Kenneth E. Harker WM5R kenhar...@kenharker.com http://www.kenharker.com/ ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] New Eham.net K3 review by QRPNEW
I too would have bought a K4 variant were it available - the K3 with a full-sized front panel. One future possibility is to merge K3 and TS-480 technologies to allow the end-user the purchase of a control panel as a remote head -- and offer it in small, medium and large sizes. The data to/from the base unit to the panel remains the same, regardless of the panel.One base module fits all. It's the panel that picks off the appropriate data based on number of panel knobs, switches and display type. The technology and feasibility are already here: The TS-480 has allowed many of us to plug the '480's remote head into our laptop USB jacks (through a simple FTDI data converter) and control the station from thousands of miles away -- and yet still have the look and feel of the real rig sitting in front of you, complete with panel switches and a VFO knob to spin. I take a small Pelican case with me on my travels that contains the TS-480 control head, WinkeyUSB keyer (w/ local CW sidetone injection), Begali Traveler paddle, and a collapsible set of Sony headphones. That, together with my Dell notebook PC allows for all-mode operation, including the use of CW paddles from anywhere I can find a Wi-Fi connection. In the case of the TS-480, there's not a whole lot inside the control head and I could see three inexpensive panels being offered into a future Elecraft product at a reasonable price. Then, as you go from mobile, to portable, to base operation, one just picks the appropriate panel size. Allowing the selction of economical panel sizes is an untapped feature with an awful lot of powerful capabilities. Paul, W9AC ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] New Eham.net K3 review by QRPNEW
- Original Message - From: W0MU Mike Fatchett w...@w0mu.com I own two FT-2000's and they do look cool and work fine but they don't work as well as the K3. FT-2000 has a nice UI - a big shame the performance of the receiver isn't so good. I think it was due to cost-cutting, not original design. It's interesting to see Yaesu bringing out the FTDX-9000PEP upgrades, maybe the next generation of FT-2000 will offer better performance. Simon Brown, HB9DRV www.ham-radio-deluxe.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] New Eham.net K3 review by QRPNEW
- Original Message - From: Paul Christensen w...@arrl.net One future possibility is to merge K3 and TS-480 technologies to allow the end-user the purchase of a control panel as a remote head -- and offer it in small, medium and large sizes. I agree 100% - when I first saw the TS-480SAT I thought it was a joke - my friend Peter PH1PH (SK) bought one. After he died I bought one, then another. Simon Brown, HB9DRV www.ham-radio-deluxe.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] New Eham.net K3 review by QRPNEW
It occurred to me also that this anonymous review may have been posted by a competitor... I don't do much SSB operating on my K3, but I was struck by the comments about splatter on SSB. Given the comments about ALC, this suggests to me that the guy doesn't know how to drive an amplifier. Most amps don't require ALC feedback if you adjust them correctly in the first place. More important, ALC doesn't always work well. You really have to design both circuits together for it to work properly, and that's obviously not the case when you pair random transceivers and amplifiers. Not clear that the guy did the ALC mod, but even if he did it's not guaranteed to produce optimum results under all conditions. With amps out of sight in the basement, he's probably overdriving them and/or not tuning them properly for maximum gain, and thus creating splatter. 73, Dick WC1M ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] New Eham.net K3 review by QRPNEW
Bruce McLaughlin wrote: We are assuming he actually owns the radio. That may be unwarranted. It's obvious from the review that he does not much like the radio. I am curious about what is really going on. It looks to me as though the guy looked through the reflector archives, picked out every complaint that had ever been made about the K3 and stitched up this 'review'. Some of them are out of date, having been fixed in firmware or have hardware mods available. Having said that, the K3 is a sports car and not a family sedan. Or, probably closer to what the designer had in mind, a racing bicycle and not a 'cruiser bike'. Which doesn't mean that it's 'uncomfortable'. Try riding 100 miles against the wind in hilly terrain on a cruiser bike. So either you like it for what it is or you don't. -- 73, Vic, K2VCO Fresno CA http://www.qsl.net/k2vco ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] New Eham.net K3 review by QRPNEW
I just looked and there is a pep upgrade on the 2000's now and updates for the dmu. -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Simon (HB9DRV) Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 10:54 AM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] New Eham.net K3 review by QRPNEW - Original Message - From: W0MU Mike Fatchett w...@w0mu.com I own two FT-2000's and they do look cool and work fine but they don't work as well as the K3. FT-2000 has a nice UI - a big shame the performance of the receiver isn't so good. I think it was due to cost-cutting, not original design. It's interesting to see Yaesu bringing out the FTDX-9000PEP upgrades, maybe the next generation of FT-2000 will offer better performance. Simon Brown, HB9DRV www.ham-radio-deluxe.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] New Eham.net K3 review by QRPNEW
-Original Message- It occurred to me also that this anonymous review may have been posted by a competitor... 73, Dick WC1M -- I'm more inclined to think it was posted by a competitor's fan boy. I don't see TenTec doing anything like this, and I don't see why the Asian companies would bother either. No, I think it is someone who truly doesn't like the K3. Is the person a knowledgeable user or just someone with a K3 chip on their shoulder, who knows. There is some truth the criticisms but all the other stuff mixed in sure makes the review at odds with my (most of our) experience with the rig. Come to think of it, maybe my K3 really is a junky radio. After all, it doesn't weight enough and when I use it for CW late at night, I just can't copy the code like I can in the day when I'm more awake. Sending CW with a bug is difficult and the rig produces horrible distorted audio with AF maxed and the little volume control on my headphones turned wy down. Yea, junky rig. I think I'll sell it and buy a Swan 350 to get that nice warm tube sound. - Keith N1AS - - K3 711 - ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] New Eham.net K3 review by QRPNEW
My grandfather owned a swine three drifty. I disposed of it quite some time ago. Yikes! -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Darwin, Keith Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 11:29 AM To: Elecraft Reflector Subject: Re: [Elecraft] New Eham.net K3 review by QRPNEW -Original Message- It occurred to me also that this anonymous review may have been posted by a competitor... 73, Dick WC1M -- I'm more inclined to think it was posted by a competitor's fan boy. I don't see TenTec doing anything like this, and I don't see why the Asian companies would bother either. No, I think it is someone who truly doesn't like the K3. Is the person a knowledgeable user or just someone with a K3 chip on their shoulder, who knows. There is some truth the criticisms but all the other stuff mixed in sure makes the review at odds with my (most of our) experience with the rig. Come to think of it, maybe my K3 really is a junky radio. After all, it doesn't weight enough and when I use it for CW late at night, I just can't copy the code like I can in the day when I'm more awake. Sending CW with a bug is difficult and the rig produces horrible distorted audio with AF maxed and the little volume control on my headphones turned wy down. Yea, junky rig. I think I'll sell it and buy a Swan 350 to get that nice warm tube sound. - Keith N1AS - - K3 711 - ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] New Eham.net K3 review by QRPNEW
W0MU Mike Fatchett wrote: My grandfather owned a swine three drifty. I disposed of it quite some time ago. Yikes! LoL Swine Three Drifty :))) Love it... 73 , Deni F5VJC K3# 325 I really love it... ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] New Eham.net K3 review by QRPNEW
I never believe anything from an anonymous source. (((He has posted here in the last few dayslook back you will see it)) My view is different than his but he does have a right to his opinion. I sure don't buy or discount a rig from an EHAM review. Jim KE4WY -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Tom Wylie Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 10:08 AM To: Bruce McLaughlin Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] New Eham.net K3 review by QRPNEW I am happy with MY K3. I never believe anything from an anonymous source. It shall be filed in the round file where it belongs. Tom GM4FDM Bruce McLaughlin wrote: One of the more amazing aspects of that review was his claim that he did not know the size of the K-3 before he ordered it. It's size is certainly not kept a secret. Apparently, he does not bother to read the literature before he buys something. That's incredible. As far as the performance aspects he mentions, I don't know what radio he was using (if in fact he was using a radio) but it certainly does not remotely resemble either of my K-3s. His comments about a perceived need to constantly re-center the roofing filters causes me to wonder whether he has any idea of what roofing filters are supposed to do or how they work. But mainly, I truly wonder if he is ever actually operated the K-3. While he was at it, I am rather surprised he did not give it a rating of 0/5 rather than the 3/5. His remarks are so foreign to what many other owners, the ARRL and Sherwood engineering, not forgetting W8JI have all noted with respect to the radio that one has to wonder about his motives in making the comments. Certainly, he is entitled to his opinion just as we are entitled to read it and forget it. Bruce-W8FU -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Julian, G4ILO Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 9:15 AM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] New Eham.net K3 review by QRPNEW I see that a new review of the K3 has appeared on Eham.net which will no doubt raise the hackles of the paid-up members of the Elecraft fan club, and cause nods of agreement from many others. http://www.eham.net/reviews/detail/6673 - Julian, G4ILO. K2 #392 K3 #222. http://www.g4ilo.com/ G4ILO's Shack http://www.ham-directory.com/ Ham Directoryhttp://www.g4ilo.com/kcomm.html KComm for Elecraft K2 and K3 -- So I met the bloke who invented crosswords today. I can't remember his name, it's P something T something R. --- avast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 090125-0, 25/01/2009 Tested on: 26/01/2009 15:08:09 avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2009 ALWIL Software. http://www.avast.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] New Eham.net K3 review by QRPNEW
I have read the comments on the QRPNEW review and while I support someone's right to disagree with what I find true, I believe in accountability. That anonymous postings on a review site I use to gather information prior to purchasing is allowed to occur is most disturbing and cheapens the quality of the Eham review score. I sent the email below to the manager of the EHam reviews and you might be inclined to follow suit, use your own words but if it matters to you, then let him know your feelings. 73, Gary KA1J ---Email below--- Hi Phil, Thought I would pass my 2 cents on to you; I have an Elecraft K3 which I personally find to be the finest transceiver I have ever operated. I frequent the Elecraft reflector and the current comment is about a review on EHam on the Elecraft K3 topic. The review was by QRPNEW and placed there on Jan 26, 2009: http://www.eham.net/reviews/detail/6673 The review is to me, written as if the person knows little about the radio and more as if the person has an agenda against it. The radio costs so much that it is most difficult to imagine someone would buy something they obviously never researched. Much they complain about in this most lengthy review is not true with my radio and flies in the positive reviews by pretty much everybody else. I understand we are all entitled to our own opinions but as some of the writers on the Elecraft reflector have mentioned, prior to being allowed to write a review on Eham, the person should be a licensed amateur and member of EHam and not allowed to be an anonymous poster. I agree with this whole-heartedly. By the hostility in that review some on the reflector have suggested it sounds like it was written by an Elecraft competitor with a vested interest in un-truths about a successful competitor. Re-reading the article with that in mind, it sounds plausible but I have no way to know the writer's true intent. My reason for writing to you as manager of the EHam reviews is to encourage you to put a stop to anonymous postings on EHam reviews, a dunning report by someone who can do so to lower a score maliciously without accountability affects the good will of the EHam review. FWIW, I have zero connection to Elecraft other than I have bought the K3 as a kit, assembled it myself and have bought all the options it offers and installed them myself. I did not get a price break and paid full price for all of it. Thank you for your considerations, Gary KA1J ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] New Eham.net K3 review by QRPNEW
I made some A/B testing in CQ160 last weekend, between K2 and TS-850S. They hear pretty good the same but it's much easier to copy week signals with K2 if you have S9+ signal close to you. I suppose that K3 is even better... Samir, 7S7V Message: 29 Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 11:55:52 -0500 From: Randy Downs randyddo...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Elecraft] New Eham.net K3 review by QRPNEW To: Kenneth E. Harker kenhar...@kenharker.com, Elecraft@mailman.qth.net Message-ID: 97f678d20901260855x6760c92cle536d9ef305e9...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Actually when 10 meters opened up last Saturday I fired up my 850 for a while on SSB. I went back to the K3. I could get much closer to signals with the K3 without desense. I have been very happy with the K3 using the N8LP Panadaptor. I've been able to get very close to 40 over signals with no problems. My other rigs won't. I use the K3 rx not PwrSdr. I drive the K3 from the PC though. I do wish the K3 was like my Ft2000 was as far as size, etc. BUT I would not go back. On 160 phone I see 40 over signals all of the time with no problems at all. I run phone most of the time. I'm very happy with the K3. Randy K8RDD On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 11:40 AM, Kenneth E. Harker kenhar...@kenharker.com wrote: On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 08:00:41AM -0700, Jim Garland wrote: I see that a new review of the K3 has appeared on Eham.net which will no doubt raise the hackles of the paid-up members of the Elecraft fan club, and cause nods of agreement from many others. http://www.eham.net/reviews/detail/6673 - Julian, G4ILO. K2 #392 K3 #222. I read the review, and while QRPNEW took a few unwarranted pot shots at the K3, I also thought he made some interesting and valid points. The gist of his comments is that the K3 can't quite decide whether it wants to be a small portable transceiver, or a full-sized full-featured base station transceiver, and in trying to be both it falls short in several respects. Well said. Another thing to consider is that a lot of the review is related to the use of the radio on SSB rather than CW. Elecraft has never had the same overall high-end achievement for phone operation as it has had for CW operation. A $700 used Kenwood TS-850 stands up pretty well against an Elecraft K3 in a phone contest. -- Kenneth E. Harker WM5R kenhar...@kenharker.com http://www.kenharker.com/ ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] New Eham.net K3 review by QRPNEW
OMG Eric has not yet killed this thread - Oh what luck Wait - wait - I'll be back in just a minute with something to fix this electronic injustice alltogether. Or my post will be mis-read and it will be like tossing petrol on a fire. I -hate- it when that happens. ;-) [Elecraft] New Eham.net K3 review by QRPNEW Samir Popaja Samir.Popaja at impact-europe.se Mon Jan 26 14:40:56 EST 2009 I made some A/B testing in CQ160 last weekend, between K2 and TS-850S. They hear pretty good the same but it's much easier to copy week signals with K2 if you have S9+ signal close to you. I suppose that K3 is even better... Samir, 7S7V ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] New Eham.net K3 review by QRPNEW
Some eHam regulars have been trying to get that done for YEARS. The attempts have always fallen on deaf ears. As long as your a member, anonymous (no call sign) or not you can post a review. I automatically discount/ignore reviews there from anonymous reviewers and those who haven't used the hardware for at least six months. Did QRPNEW happen to post the serial number of the offending K3? Gary Smith wrote: I have read the comments on the QRPNEW review and while I support someone's right to disagree with what I find true, I believe in accountability. That anonymous postings on a review site I use to gather information prior to purchasing is allowed to occur is most disturbing and cheapens the quality of the Eham review score. I sent the email below to the manager of the EHam reviews and you might be inclined to follow suit, use your own words but if it matters to you, then let him know your feelings. 73, Gary KA1J -- R. Kevin Stover, ACØH ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] New Eham.net K3 review by QRPNEW [END of thread.]
Now - Its time to end this thread and its related cousins. I try to let everyone get their core comments in before ending threads like this. Once I see 20+ posts in a 24 hour period though it is getting close the the threshold for closure. 73, Eric WA6HHQ Elecraft list moderator, therapist and general playground monitor.. ;-) === Don Rasmussen wrote: OMG Eric has not yet killed this thread - Oh what luck Wait - wait - I'll be back in just a minute with something to fix this electronic injustice alltogether. Or my post will be mis-read and it will be like tossing petrol on a fire. I -hate- it when that happens. ;-) ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
