Re: [Elecraft] Private sales of used Elecraft Rigs
On 6/3/2011 3:06 PM, Jim Lowman wrote: Recently I ordered a Tablet PC from Amazon, and was surprised that they shipped it via USPS. What I can't figure out is the reason that it's scheduled to take until next Wednesday to get here from the Seattle area. When Amazon has shipped books from Seattle previously, they took two business days to arrive, whether via USPS or UPS. Some shippers are now using a hybrid method where UPS sends the shipment to a regional USPS distribution center and you then get it via USPS. (Forgot the nickname of the service.) The absurd situation that I experienced was that using the UPS Tracking site I tracked a shipment sent on a Union Pacific RR Z-train (hotshot UPS container train) from Los Angeles right through Portland (OR) on the way to the Regional Center in Kent, WA - across the state near Seattle - and then the USPS brought it back to Portland for delivery. Added three days to the shipment versus off-loading the container at UPS Portland and out for delivery the next morning along with all the other UPS stuff destined for Portland on that train. --- 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane Elecraft K2/100 s/n 5402 From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
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Here is a link to the incident in Portland, http://blogs.seattleweekly.com/dailyweekly/2011/04/pooping_portland_postman_caugh.php On Jun 2, 2011, at 10:48 PM, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote: You guys live in the wrong place! My Fed Ex, UPS and Postal Carriers are all very courteous and careful to find me if they need a signature. My rural mailbox is a couple hundred yards from the house, so if there's something that doesn't fit, the US Postal carrier comes to my door. Fed EX and UPS don't stick around if they don't need a signature, but the wrap everything in water proof plastic (this IS rainy Oregon) and leave it where I've asked them to. If they aren't sure, they call me! Maybe it helps to say Thank You when they bring something. In our neighborhood, one must learn to drive one-handed because it's basic politeness to wave to everyone while driving by, even the school bus drivers... Ron AC7AC -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Phil Hystad Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2011 10:25 PM To: k2...@kanafi.org Cc: Elecraft Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Private Sales of used Elecraft Rigs I don't suppose you guys heard what the US postman left at one house while delivering mail on his route. This took place in Portland Oregon several months ago (I think, maybe more recent then that). He was in the news again because after being on suspension and waiting at home, his employer said that he could keep his job but on another route. On Jun 2, 2011, at 8:13 PM, Phil Kane wrote: On 6/2/2011 6:59 PM, Eugene Balinski wrote: My mailman has even run around to the back of my house to place packages out of the rain. Contrast that with the local UPS driver who will place a package on the front steps, knock softly, and then run to his truck to see if he can get away before someone opens the door. Sometimes he doesn't knock, and sometimes he will leave the package in a secluded place on the side of the steps and not post the required where it is notice. FedEx will usually ring the bell before they do that. If it's the regular USPS letter carrier she usually will knock loudly before leaving a package, but the relief carriers usually don't. That's why I prefer a PO Box for my mail. What ever happened to personal service? -- 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane Elecraft K2/100 s/n 5402 From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
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Edward R. Cole wrote: In my case, the major reason I don't want to sell internationally is the matter of customs and duties, with the associated paperwork. Here it's mostly ignorance of what is needed, what the procedures are, etc. I might look at it differently with a ham I knew as the buyer. Nothing parochial beyond ignorance. :) 73, Jim K9YC -- =And I think THIS is really the problem folks are having - they imagine all sorts of issues! Customs and duties are paid by the receiving party (not the shipper). All you need do is describe the item. Simple as saying Ham radio parts. Estimate their value (this is what the customs will charge by), your name/address, the destination name/address, your done! Not any harder than filling out a money order. The form is half-page in size and most boxes do not need to be filled in as they do not apply. Let me repeat that: import duties and taxes in the destination country are categorically NOTYOUR PROBLEM ! All you have to do is write down the total value (in US$) and an adequate description. AMATEUR RADIO PARTS is usually close enough. That's all - you're done. NB: Always write out AMATEUR in full. Ham will be subject to extra import restrictions :-) -- 73 from Ian GM3SEK http://www.ifwtech.co.uk/g3sek __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
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Fed-Ex and UPS insured and tracked door to door...not a problem and I have done this for years both at work and play:-) Gary On 3 June 2011 08:35, Johnny Siu vr2...@yahoo.com.hk wrote: Hello Ray, I have the impression that quite a number of the US sellers are worried about shipping overseas (I don't know why). In the past, when I bought from private individuals in US, I had to even give them weblink to USPS about using which way of shipping e.g. International Priority standard rate box etc. Or, I simply ask them to use my Fedex account so that they have no involvement in paying any shipping costs. In some cases, since the sellers were so worried that I simply asked them to ship to my friends in US. And then I asked my friend to re-ship the gears to me. Nowadays, logistics among countries are just so common. As long as the parcels are well packed and properly tracked, I don't see any problems. Similar to you, I am not complaining about anyone here but just curious. TNX 73, Johnny VR2XMC 從︰ Ray Spreadbury ray...@btinternet.com 收件人︰ elecraft@mailman.qth.net 傳送日期︰ 2011年06月3日 (週五) 12:07 AM 主題︰ [Elecraft] Private Sales of used Elecraft Rigs I am intrigued, I've noticed that when various Elecraft rigs are offered for private sale on this forum they invariably say Continental USA only. Why...? We Europeans also have PayPal, Visa, Bank Transfers etc etc so what's the problem please? I just bought a kit accessories direct from Elecraft 2 weeks ago, it was delivered within 7 days and they didn't have a problem with selling to Europe. Just interested . 73 Ray G3XLG __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html -- VK4FD - Motorhome Mobile Elecraft Equipment K3 #679, KPA-500 #018 Living the dream!!! __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
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All you have to do is write down the total value (in US$) and an adequate description. AMATEUR RADIO PARTS is usually close enough. That's all - you're done. That works in western countries. However, anything containing radio is automatically contraband in many countries outside Western Europe and the Americas. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 6/3/2011 3:01 AM, Ian White GM3SEK wrote: Edward R. Cole wrote: In my case, the major reason I don't want to sell internationally is the matter of customs and duties, with the associated paperwork. Here it's mostly ignorance of what is needed, what the procedures are, etc. I might look at it differently with a ham I knew as the buyer. Nothing parochial beyond ignorance. :) 73, Jim K9YC -- =And I think THIS is really the problem folks are having - they imagine all sorts of issues! Customs and duties are paid by the receiving party (not the shipper). All you need do is describe the item. Simple as saying Ham radio parts. Estimate their value (this is what the customs will charge by), your name/address, the destination name/address, your done! Not any harder than filling out a money order. The form is half-page in size and most boxes do not need to be filled in as they do not apply. Let me repeat that: import duties and taxes in the destination country are categorically NOTYOUR PROBLEM ! All you have to do is write down the total value (in US$) and an adequate description. AMATEUR RADIO PARTS is usually close enough. That's all - you're done. NB: Always write out AMATEUR in full. Ham will be subject to extra import restrictions :-) __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
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On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 8:31 AM, Joe Subich, W4TV li...@subich.com wrote: ...anything containing radio is automatically contraband in many countries... ...as I discovered while in India. I had my KX1, which had gotten in okay because they didn't check at customs. I didn't transmit, just listened, but I was nervous the whole time that somehow I'd get nabbed and have my radio confiscated. Tony KT0NY __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
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For most shipments, I prefer that the postal worker, UPS or FedEx driver leave the item on the front porch anyway. Tracking the shipment online, it's easy to see where the driver might have left the package if it isn't obvious. Before we both retired, no one was at home during business hours. This meant the inevitable and unenviable trip to the post office the next day, or making arrangements with the local UPS or FedEx office to stop by and pick up the item. Often this involved waiting for the truck to arrive after completing all deliveries during the day. The only time I ever found this to be a problem was several years ago. I had ordered an IBM dot-matrix printer when they sold for about $500. The UPS driver had left it on the front porch and it was raining. When I called to comment (not really complain) I was told that my neighborhood was considered to be safe for drop-offs. Then I was asked if I wanted to file a complaint against the driver. Since he was following established protocol, I declined. Safe neighborhood withstanding, that's an awful lot of temptation to put out there. 73 de Jim - AD6CW On 6/2/2011 8:13 PM, Phil Kane wrote: Contrast that with the local UPS driver who will place a package on the front steps, knock softly, and then run to his truck to see if he can get away before someone opens the door. Sometimes he doesn't knock, and sometimes he will leave the package in a secluded place on the side of the steps and not post the required where it is notice. FedEx will usually ring the bell before they do that. If it's the regular USPS letter carrier she usually will knock loudly before leaving a package, but the relief carriers usually don't. That's why I prefer a PO Box for my mail. What ever happened to personal service? -- 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane Elecraft K2/100 s/n 5402 From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
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Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: All you have to do is write down the total value (in US$) and an adequate description. AMATEUR RADIO PARTS is usually close enough. That's all - you're done. That works in western countries. However, anything containing radio is automatically contraband in many countries outside Western Europe and the Americas. Could you name any such countries to which a private US citizen would actually be *likely* to make a shipment? I regularly ship AMATEUR RADIO PARTS - truthfully declared on the Customs form - to a wide range of countries (including India and even distant Alaska :-) without any problems. There are often import taxes to be paid, but that is a different issue. In 12 years and almost 2000 shipments I have never had a single report that the import of AMATEUR RADIO PARTS was not legal. -- 73 from Ian GM3SEK http://www.ifwtech.co.uk/g3sek __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
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Sending radios to ZL is fairly safe, because most of the mail workers can't read, and the stagecoach that carries the mail has a guy with a six-shooter to fight off the bandits, so the loss rate is zero. It's a different story with anything containing drugs or porno though, because that is still considered contraband, except in The Netherlands. 73 Paul ZL3IN ;-) On 4/06/2011 1:31 a.m., Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: That works in western countries. However, anything containing radio is automatically contraband in many countries outside Western Europe and the Americas. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
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Even though I have the tracking information, as a final courtesy to the buyer, I send a follow-up e-mail to ensure not that it arrived, which I know, but that it arrived in the condition that it left my possession. I'm not happy if the buyer isn't. Yes, USPS has improved their tracking system, I was recently able to follow a shipment from the origin to my mailbox. Before I'm not sure if I even knew where it was coming from; only when to expect it in the mailbox. Recently I ordered a Tablet PC from Amazon, and was surprised that they shipped it via USPS. What I can't figure out is the reason that it's scheduled to take until next Wednesday to get here from the Seattle area. When Amazon has shipped books from Seattle previously, they took two business days to arrive, whether via USPS or UPS. 73 de Jim - AD6CW On 6/2/2011 8:41 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: Erik, Recently, I had a package shipped to me - USPS and it had delivery confirmation paid for and applied to it. The sender did not bother check the tracking to see whether it was delivered - he instead sent me an email (which I had to take the time and effort to respond to) asking if I had received the parcel. So, if that was his intent, why did he pay the $0.70 for delivery confirmation service. And secondly, since he paid for DC service, why did he bother me with questions when he could have inquired of the service he had paid for? It all remains a mystery to me - why do some buy premium gasoline when their cars are designed to run on regular? - it is one more of those mysteries that make no real sense - take advantage of the services that you are paying for, otherwise, why pay for them? If one does not use them, then the cost is not justified. USPS has improved its tracking in the last year or so - before that, you could tell when it was shipped and when it was delivered, but nothing in between. They have improved, with real tracking information, so those paying for delivery confirmation, the delivery confirmation number (or in the case of international shipments, the customs number) will give you the location of the parcel at any given time. If you send a parcel through USPS with Delivery Confirmation, you can now go to the USPS.com website and sign up for email notices of the progress - if you are the shipper, you can request those notifications be sent to the recipient (and you as well if you have interest) - that is not automatic, but it is easy to do. 73, Don W3FPR __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
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You may be aware that the US Postal Service is in dire straits. This week's Business Week has a thorough article on it. http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/11_23/b4231060885070.htm Jim N7US __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
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Remember Amazon ships from all over the country using the nearest stock. de, Fred AE6QL -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Jim Lowman Sent: Friday, June 03, 2011 3:06 PM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Private sales of used Elecraft Rigs Even though I have the tracking information, as a final courtesy to the buyer, I send a follow-up e-mail to ensure not that it arrived, which I know, but that it arrived in the condition that it left my possession. I'm not happy if the buyer isn't. Yes, USPS has improved their tracking system, I was recently able to follow a shipment from the origin to my mailbox. Before I'm not sure if I even knew where it was coming from; only when to expect it in the mailbox. Recently I ordered a Tablet PC from Amazon, and was surprised that they shipped it via USPS. What I can't figure out is the reason that it's scheduled to take until next Wednesday to get here from the Seattle area. When Amazon has shipped books from Seattle previously, they took two business days to arrive, whether via USPS or UPS. 73 de Jim - AD6CW On 6/2/2011 8:41 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: Erik, Recently, I had a package shipped to me - USPS and it had delivery confirmation paid for and applied to it. The sender did not bother check the tracking to see whether it was delivered - he instead sent me an email (which I had to take the time and effort to respond to) asking if I had received the parcel. So, if that was his intent, why did he pay the $0.70 for delivery confirmation service. And secondly, since he paid for DC service, why did he bother me with questions when he could have inquired of the service he had paid for? It all remains a mystery to me - why do some buy premium gasoline when their cars are designed to run on regular? - it is one more of those mysteries that make no real sense - take advantage of the services that you are paying for, otherwise, why pay for them? If one does not use them, then the cost is not justified. USPS has improved its tracking in the last year or so - before that, you could tell when it was shipped and when it was delivered, but nothing in between. They have improved, with real tracking information, so those paying for delivery confirmation, the delivery confirmation number (or in the case of international shipments, the customs number) will give you the location of the parcel at any given time. If you send a parcel through USPS with Delivery Confirmation, you can now go to the USPS.com website and sign up for email notices of the progress - if you are the shipper, you can request those notifications be sent to the recipient (and you as well if you have interest) - that is not automatic, but it is easy to do. 73, Don W3FPR __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Elecraft] Private Sales of used Elecraft Rigs
I am intrigued, I've noticed that when various Elecraft rigs are offered for private sale on this forum they invariably say Continental USA only. Why...? We Europeans also have PayPal, Visa, Bank Transfers etc etc so what's the problem please? I just bought a kit accessories direct from Elecraft 2 weeks ago, it was delivered within 7 days and they didn't have a problem with selling to Europe. Just interested . 73 Ray G3XLG __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
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One reason is that sending a package in CONUS (continental US) is a lot easier and generally cheaper then sending it to other countries or even to Alaska or Hawaii. On Jun 2, 2011, at 9:07 AM, Ray Spreadbury wrote: I am intrigued, I've noticed that when various Elecraft rigs are offered for private sale on this forum they invariably say Continental USA only. Why...? We Europeans also have PayPal, Visa, Bank Transfers etc etc so what's the problem please? I just bought a kit accessories direct from Elecraft 2 weeks ago, it was delivered within 7 days and they didn't have a problem with selling to Europe. Just interested . 73 Ray G3XLG __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
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If something goes wrong, it's a lot harder to set things right. I sold a radio into Germany, and never was paid. If I could recall the details, I might have followed up in a few weeks when we're there, but... 73, doug On 02-Jun-11 16:12, Phil Hystad wrote: One reason is that sending a package in CONUS (continental US) is a lot easier and generally cheaper then sending it to other countries or even to Alaska or Hawaii. On Jun 2, 2011, at 9:07 AM, Ray Spreadbury wrote: I am intrigued, I've noticed that when various Elecraft rigs are offered for private sale on this forum they invariably say Continental USA only. Why...? We Europeans also have PayPal, Visa, Bank Transfers etc etc so what's the problem please? I just bought a kit accessories direct from Elecraft 2 weeks ago, it was delivered within 7 days and they didn't have a problem with selling to Europe. Just interested . 73 Ray G3XLG __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
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Payment certainly isn't a problem with PayPal, but without a PayPal account it can be problematic. Foreign ... to the US ... money orders or even bank checks are extremely difficult to process. For example, a check drawn on a Panama bank would have cost $75 to deposit into her account. It's also likely related to a general lack of knowledge about overseas packaging and how to fill out the customs forms. The blanks on the forms are small and difficult to write in. There are two forms to be used, depending on the size of the package and a few other variables. I do the shipping for Rose and she receives orders from all over the world, so I've become reasonably familiar with the procedure, but it's still a task. The average transit time seems to be from two to as much as four weeks. Israel is the exception. It can take several months for a package to be delivered there. Probably more than you wanted to know ... 73! Ken Kopp - K0PP elecraftcov...@gmail.com http://tinyurl.com/7lm3m5 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
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The problem, generally speaking, is ignorance.In our case, sellers seem to be completely unaware that Alaska and Hawaii are part of the 50 states. They think we are a foreign country. Some of them don't even understand that we use the same money! We have all the same services, the post office goes everywhere, standard US banks, Paypal, etc. Fedex and UPS have service to most locations (not so much in the true bush) including both air and ground delivery. It is actually easier to convince some people that I live in a 2-story igloo and mush a dog team to work, which they love to believe :-) than the real facts, which are that I live in a 4200 Sq Ft home of standard frame construction and drive an Audi A8 on the freeway when I go shopping.OK, the A8 is 12 years old, but still . . . Heck, we got satellite TV , Starbucks, Gap stores, TGI Fridays, an IMAX theatre, and even a Costco store or three. - Jim, KL7CC Anchorage Phil Hystad wrote: One reason is that sending a package in CONUS (continental US) is a lot easier and generally cheaper then sending it to other countries or even to Alaska or Hawaii. On Jun 2, 2011, at 9:07 AM, Ray Spreadbury wrote: I am intrigued, I've noticed that when various Elecraft rigs are offered for private sale on this forum they invariably say Continental USA only. Why...? We Europeans also have PayPal, Visa, Bank Transfers etc etc so what's the problem please? __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
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I can not understand how going down to the local post office would be a problem and if the customer pays the shipping why would that present a problem for the seller, but then again what do I know? / Jim SM2EKM On 2011-06-02 18:12, Phil Hystad wrote: One reason is that sending a package in CONUS (continental US) is a lot easier and generally cheaper then sending it to other countries or even to Alaska or Hawaii. On Jun 2, 2011, at 9:07 AM, Ray Spreadbury wrote: I am intrigued, I've noticed that when various Elecraft rigs are offered for private sale on this forum they invariably say Continental USA only. Why...? We Europeans also have PayPal, Visa, Bank Transfers etc etc so what's the problem please? I just bought a kit accessories direct from Elecraft 2 weeks ago, it was delivered within 7 days and they didn't have a problem with selling to Europe. Just interested . 73 Ray G3XLG __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
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On 6/2/2011 10:06 AM, Jan Erik Holm wrote: I can not understand how going down to the local post office would be a problem and if the customer pays the shipping why would that present a problem for the seller, but then again what do I know? Shipping via the US Postal Service is not something that many of us would choose to do, especially with something as delicate and valuable as a ham transceiver. That's a big part of why UPS and Fed Ex exist. In my case, the major reason I don't want to sell internationally is the matter of customs and duties, with the associated paperwork. Here it's mostly ignorance of what is needed, what the procedures are, etc. I might look at it differently with a ham I knew as the buyer. Nothing parochial beyond ignorance. :) 73, Jim K9YC __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
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USPS is great to buy goods from US. Reasonable cost and I have never had any issues with them. For transceivers this should be a tracked package. UPS is more costly but also good. István Szabó HA4ZD On 6/2/2011 7:25 PM, Jim Brown wrote: On 6/2/2011 10:06 AM, Jan Erik Holm wrote: I can not understand how going down to the local post office would be a problem and if the customer pays the shipping why would that present a problem for the seller, but then again what do I know? Shipping via the US Postal Service is not something that many of us would choose to do, especially with something as delicate and valuable as a ham transceiver. That's a big part of why UPS and Fed Ex exist. In my case, the major reason I don't want to sell internationally is the matter of customs and duties, with the associated paperwork. Here it's mostly ignorance of what is needed, what the procedures are, etc. I might look at it differently with a ham I knew as the buyer. Nothing parochial beyond ignorance. :) 73, Jim K9YC __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
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Here in the USA I always choose USPS Priority Mail if given the option. It usually costs about the same as UPS Ground and is always delivered within two business days of being shipped. Why pay more? On Thu, 02 Jun 2011 19:32:42 +0200, István Szabó ha...@t-online.hu wrote: USPS is great to buy goods from US. Reasonable cost and I have never had any issues with them. For transceivers this should be a tracked package. UPS is more costly but also good. István Szabó HA4ZD On 6/2/2011 7:25 PM, Jim Brown wrote: On 6/2/2011 10:06 AM, Jan Erik Holm wrote: I can not understand how going down to the local post office would be a problem and if the customer pays the shipping why would that present a problem for the seller, but then again what do I know? Shipping via the US Postal Service is not something that many of us would choose to do, especially with something as delicate and valuable as a ham transceiver. That's a big part of why UPS and Fed Ex exist. In my case, the major reason I don't want to sell internationally is the matter of customs and duties, with the associated paperwork. Here it's mostly ignorance of what is needed, what the procedures are, etc. I might look at it differently with a ham I knew as the buyer. Nothing parochial beyond ignorance. :) 73, Jim K9YC __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
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I have a foot in both camps living permanently in EI land since 1973 but visiting W land and my family every summer. Most US hams would have no idea what description or export numbers to put on a parcel of value being sent to the EU let alone other nations. Many W, VE would continue to feel a certain obligation once the radio was shipped and the uncertainty is not something they want to take on. If you are fortunate enough to have a US friend to visit ship the radio to them and pick it up on your next visit. Of course you then have to deal with customs in the airport but you can have your receipts with you and probably will not have too much trouble. My personal experience with USPS is good having just received a second K3 from Elecraft in less than a weeks time though in this case I needed to use a customs clearance service and UPS seems to do this for you automatically. Small lower value parcels sometimes come though without any duty or even VAT being charged but this is just luck! I may be wrong but it seems to me that ordering direct from Elecraft is still less expensive than purchasing other radios direct from distributors within the EU. It is handy to be able to purchase in kit form as this apparently means that the radio is duty free though subject to VAT. A friend EI2JD just helped another EI get his duty back on a built ham radio so apparently at least for EI it is possible to obtain built ham radios in this part of EU without duty and I would suspect this applies for the whole of the EU. The kits are of course a bit less expensive and thus less VAT is due on them. You might get a couple of filters without duty or VAT if shipped in a small package but this will of course vary with the officiousness of the carrier and country. I would expect either FedEx or UPS to always make full charges. Elecraft has an advantage in that it uses modular build so if you can locate a fault to a module it is possible to just post the module back to Elecraft. Another advantage of kits is that you are more adept at taking out modules if needs be though so far there have been no problems here. This is just my experience and it may change at any time. 73 Doug EI2CN formerly K4WQZ in 1960 -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Jim Brown Sent: 02 June 2011 18:25 To: Reflector Elecraft Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Private Sales of used Elecraft Rigs On 6/2/2011 10:06 AM, Jan Erik Holm wrote: I can not understand how going down to the local post office would be a problem and if the customer pays the shipping why would that present a problem for the seller, but then again what do I know? Shipping via the US Postal Service is not something that many of us would choose to do, especially with something as delicate and valuable as a ham transceiver. That's a big part of why UPS and Fed Ex exist. In my case, the major reason I don't want to sell internationally is the matter of customs and duties, with the associated paperwork. Here it's mostly ignorance of what is needed, what the procedures are, etc. I might look at it differently with a ham I knew as the buyer. Nothing parochial beyond ignorance. :) 73, Jim K9YC __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
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For some of the big contests, you both ARE foreign countries :-) Fred K6DGW Auburn California Republic [it says so on our Bear Flag] 4 out of 3 people have difficulty with fractions. On 6/2/2011 10:04 AM, Jim Wiley wrote: The problem, generally speaking, is ignorance.In our case, sellers seem to be completely unaware that Alaska and Hawaii are part of the 50 states. They think we are a foreign country. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
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My biggest concern in shipping rigs overseas is the insurance angle. When I sent a rig to Australia I was told by the USPS that the insurance I had purchased for the rig would only be good up the the shores of the U.S..once the package left CONUS the insurance would not cover any damage or loss. That is the only package I have sent overseas so I don't know about UPS or FedEx regarding their insurance policies. So if one were to ship a K3 valued at circa $3K to an overseas address using USPS Priority mail and it got lost or damaged while in overseas transit what does the seller or the purchaser do??? Do UPS or FedEx offer insurance that will cover overseas mailings?? Does Elecraft have any input given that they ship all over the world??? 73, Joe W2KJ I QRP, therefore I am __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
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Thanks Jim, you hit the nail on the head, I had a hard time convincing one gent that the postage stamp was good to Hawaii, he thought mailing a envelope to here was even higher priced. Flat rate priority boxes are the same cost to any of the 50 states, but then I find also a lot of hams do not even know about flat rate boxes. Merv K9FD/KH6 ex KH7C The problem, generally speaking, is ignorance.In our case, sellers seem to be completely unaware that Alaska and Hawaii are part of the 50 states. They think we are a foreign country. Some of them don't even understand that we use the same money! We have all the same services, the post office goes everywhere, standard US banks, Paypal, etc. Fedex and UPS have service to most locations (not so much in the true bush) including both air and ground delivery. It is actually easier to convince some people that I live in a 2-story igloo and mush a dog team to work, which they love to believe :-) than the real facts, which are that I live in a 4200 Sq Ft home of standard frame construction and drive an Audi A8 on the freeway when I go shopping.OK, the A8 is 12 years old, but still . . . Heck, we got satellite TV , Starbucks, Gap stores, TGI Fridays, an IMAX theatre, and even a Costco store or three. - Jim, KL7CC Anchorage Phil Hystad wrote: One reason is that sending a package in CONUS (continental US) is a lot easier and generally cheaper then sending it to other countries or even to Alaska or Hawaii. On Jun 2, 2011, at 9:07 AM, Ray Spreadbury wrote: I am intrigued, I've noticed that when various Elecraft rigs are offered for private sale on this forum they invariably say Continental USA only. Why...? We Europeans also have PayPal, Visa, Bank Transfers etc etc so what's the problem please? __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
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But, it is more expensive to send packages to Alaska and Hawaii. And of course Alaska and Hawaii also have their own DXCC entity identifier separate from the lower-48 states of the US. On Jun 2, 2011, at 10:04 AM, Jim Wiley wrote: The problem, generally speaking, is ignorance.In our case, sellers seem to be completely unaware that Alaska and Hawaii are part of the 50 states. They think we are a foreign country. Some of them don't even understand that we use the same money! We have all the same services, the post office goes everywhere, standard US banks, Paypal, etc. Fedex and UPS have service to most locations (not so much in the true bush) including both air and ground delivery. It is actually easier to convince some people that I live in a 2-story igloo and mush a dog team to work, which they love to believe :-) than the real facts, which are that I live in a 4200 Sq Ft home of standard frame construction and drive an Audi A8 on the freeway when I go shopping. OK, the A8 is 12 years old, but still . . . Heck, we got satellite TV , Starbucks, Gap stores, TGI Fridays, an IMAX theatre, and even a Costco store or three. - Jim, KL7CC Anchorage Phil Hystad wrote: One reason is that sending a package in CONUS (continental US) is a lot easier and generally cheaper then sending it to other countries or even to Alaska or Hawaii. On Jun 2, 2011, at 9:07 AM, Ray Spreadbury wrote: I am intrigued, I've noticed that when various Elecraft rigs are offered for private sale on this forum they invariably say Continental USA only. Why...? We Europeans also have PayPal, Visa, Bank Transfers etc etc so what's the problem please? __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
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I've shipped to many other countries, not any where the number of countries, nor item shipped as Elecraft does, however, one strong deterrant is having to deal with lost, strayed, or undelivered items. Months of time and many hours of effort, will be spent, in an attempt to correct, or find the reason for non-delivery. Not to mention that insurance nor delivery tracking is available into many countries. And in some countries, mail theft happens, check on sending qsl cards to and from I'm just elated that I'm not in charge of shipping for Elecraft. Shipping international is simply a different set of rules, and must be managed differently than the local, normal mailings. --... ...-- Dale - WC7S in Wy . When I sent a rig to Australia I was told by the USPS that the insurance I had purchased for the rig would only be good up the the shores of the U.S..once the package left CONUS the insurance would not cover any damage or loss. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
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It is not necessarily more expensive to ship USPS Priority Mail to AK and HI. If the parcel is lightweight, use regular Priority Mail, and if it is heavy, use Priority Mail Flat Rate - no change in the price no matter what the shipping zone. Weigh the package and go to www.USPS.com and obtain the amount for each option - it is not complicated at all. The biggest problem with overseas US Mail shipments is the limit each country places on insurance. As I recall, the maximum insurance I can use to Canada is $700, and several other countries are substantially lower. If the parcel has substantial value, use UPS, FedEx or DHL. Most shipping centers will assist with the customs forms, 73, Don W3FPR On 6/2/2011 2:29 PM, Phil Hystad wrote: But, it is more expensive to send packages to Alaska and Hawaii. And of course Alaska and Hawaii also have their own DXCC entity identifier separate from the lower-48 states of the US. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
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Hi all. I shipped two boxes with assorted small stuff that they needed to my nieces in Africa via the USPS and I was told that my insurance and delivery confirmation was only good in the US. I still shipped it anyway. Both of the boxes never showed up and they didn't get what they wanted and I was out a small amount of cash. Now imagine shipping $1,500.00 bucks USD of ham equipment and having that happen. That is one reason when I sell something it is always only in the US. Sorry to everyone else. Just not worth the headache to me, I have not tried UPS or FedEx yet to see if it gets through. 73 de W2EEC Eric __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
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Eric, I believe that insurance does cover packages shipped to the EU, African countries may be more risky perhaps because of poverty or corruption. Having said this your point is that made by others that the average guy just does not know the rules nor codes for international shipping of expensive radio equipment. This might make a useful article for QST but most people would be bored by the topic. It is generally the overseas operators who suffer as the US is a large market with attractive prices for radio gear, in Europe we envy the QST prices. 73 Doug EI2CN -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Eric Champine Sent: 02 June 2011 20:04 To: Joseph Trombino, Jr Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Private Sales of used Elecraft rigs Hi all. I shipped two boxes with assorted small stuff that they needed to my nieces in Africa via the USPS and I was told that my insurance and delivery confirmation was only good in the US. I still shipped it anyway. Both of the boxes never showed up and they didn't get what they wanted and I was out a small amount of cash. Now imagine shipping $1,500.00 bucks USD of ham equipment and having that happen. That is one reason when I sell something it is always only in the US. Sorry to everyone else. Just not worth the headache to me, I have not tried UPS or FedEx yet to see if it gets through. 73 de W2EEC Eric __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
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Hi Ray, Paperwork is not the problem. If you pay for the shipment on-line you can fill out the simple paperwork there as well. The real problems with international shipments are cost and insurability. USPS is reasonable if you can ship by International First Class Mail. Unfortunately you can't purchase insurance so this not good for an expensive item. You can send it as Registered which is highly reliable within the USA but once it leaves our air space all bets are off. I shipped a 3 pound ebay item (value $250) to Israel with registration and it had not arrived after a month. I started a trace 2 months ago and still have not heard any results. So I had to reimburse the buyer and if the trace comes back as lost I might be able to collect a small amount of money. I'm not holding my breath. You can use USPS International Priority Mail but the limit of insurance is only $650. Not good enough for an amateur rig. And then if it isn't delivered how easy will it be to collect the insurance??? And how long will it take to trace the shipment before they settle the claim??? The buyer will want his money back right away. The best USPS has to offer is Global Express Guaranteed. It has a $2500 insurance limit. I priced up a 10 pound package to the UK with $2000 insurance and the shipping cost is $155. UPS is probably the most reliable service since they have their own people at the delivery end but the cost will be higher still. The same 10 pound package in a 12 x 12 x 12 inch box, insured at $2000, would cost $224 to ship to the UK. Is it worth the hassle when there are buyers in the US? I don't think so. 73, Mike K2MK Ray G3XLG wrote: I am intrigued, I've noticed that when various Elecraft rigs are offered for private sale on this forum they invariably say Continental USA only. Why...? We Europeans also have PayPal, Visa, Bank Transfers etc etc so what's the problem please? I just bought a kit accessories direct from Elecraft 2 weeks ago, it was delivered within 7 days and they didn't have a problem with selling to Europe. Just interested . 73 Ray G3XLG -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Private-Sales-of-used-Elecraft-Rigs-tp6431789p6432890.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
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As one who ships expensive amateur equipment everywhere around the globe on a daily basis as my job, I have a couple of comments. First, using Priority Mail to KH6 or KL7 costs the same as to any other U.S. destination - so the assertion that it costs more to ship there *via the post office* is not true. Second, the best service to use from the Post Office for international shipping is called Express Mail International. It is still called EMS in many other countries. The insurance amount varies depending on what country you are shipping to. The tracking for this service is about the best you can get from the Post Office. It ain't great, but it's the best they offer. You do not have to pay for the shipment online but you can still fill out the customs paperwork on line. I highly recommend this. It saves time at the Post Office as the clerk will not have to type all of the information about your shipment. It creates 5 copies of the customs form. Take all 5 with you, cut the page where they tell you to - sign and date all 5 copies. They scan a bar code on the customs forms you printed at home, and the data populates their screen. You will need to fill out the red/white/blue Express Mail label which you can get at the Post Office. This is nothing more than names and addresses. Most clerks at the Post Office will help you complete the forms. Honestly, this should not present anyone here with any difficulty whatsoever. Without question, UPS Express Saver service is the best way to go. The cost will be higher, but you get real tracking, real insurance and they deliver within 2 or 3 business days most anywhere in the world. You can create shipments on the UPS.com website and check rates. Expedited service is slightly lower cost, but can take up to a week or so to get delivery. The term expedited is a misnomer as the truth is that it means not-expedited. 73, Bob W5OV Hi Ray, Paperwork is not the problem. If you pay for the shipment on-line you can fill out the simple paperwork there as well. The real problems with international shipments are cost and insurability. USPS is reasonable if you can ship by International First Class Mail. Unfortunately you can't purchase insurance so this not good for an expensive item. You can send it as Registered which is highly reliable within the USA but once it leaves our air space all bets are off. I shipped a 3 pound ebay item (value $250) to Israel with registration and it had not arrived after a month. I started a trace 2 months ago and still have not heard any results. So I had to reimburse the buyer and if the trace comes back as lost I might be able to collect a small amount of money. I'm not holding my breath. You can use USPS International Priority Mail but the limit of insurance is only $650. Not good enough for an amateur rig. And then if it isn't delivered how easy will it be to collect the insurance??? And how long will it take to trace the shipment before they settle the claim??? The buyer will want his money back right away. The best USPS has to offer is Global Express Guaranteed. It has a $2500 insurance limit. I priced up a 10 pound package to the UK with $2000 insurance and the shipping cost is $155. UPS is probably the most reliable service since they have their own people at the delivery end but the cost will be higher still. The same 10 pound package in a 12 x 12 x 12 inch box, insured at $2000, would cost $224 to ship to the UK. Is it worth the hassle when there are buyers in the US? I don't think so. 73, Mike K2MK Ray G3XLG wrote: I am intrigued, I've noticed that when various Elecraft rigs are offered for private sale on this forum they invariably say Continental USA only. Why...? We Europeans also have PayPal, Visa, Bank Transfers etc etc so what's the problem please? I just bought a kit accessories direct from Elecraft 2 weeks ago, it was delivered within 7 days and they didn't have a problem with selling to Europe. Just interested . 73 Ray G3XLG -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Private-Sales-of-used-Elecraft-Rigs-tp6431789p6432890.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
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You can use USPS International Priority Mail but the limit of insurance is only $650. Not good enough for an amateur rig. And then if it isn't delivered how easy will it be to collect the insurance??? USPS Insurance limits vary depending on country. Some are as high as $5000 and in other cases insurance is not available. The amount of available insurance is based on the value that the destination country will insure. In any case, it's nearly impossible to collect on the insurance as the USPS claims people will do everything they can - including lying about import restrictions and improperly classifying shipments - in order to reject claims. They are only marginally better than insurance from UPS or FedEx, in my experience. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 6/2/2011 5:13 PM, Mike K2MK wrote: Hi Ray, Paperwork is not the problem. If you pay for the shipment on-line you can fill out the simple paperwork there as well. The real problems with international shipments are cost and insurability. USPS is reasonable if you can ship by International First Class Mail. Unfortunately you can't purchase insurance so this not good for an expensive item. You can send it as Registered which is highly reliable within the USA but once it leaves our air space all bets are off. I shipped a 3 pound ebay item (value $250) to Israel with registration and it had not arrived after a month. I started a trace 2 months ago and still have not heard any results. So I had to reimburse the buyer and if the trace comes back as lost I might be able to collect a small amount of money. I'm not holding my breath. You can use USPS International Priority Mail but the limit of insurance is only $650. Not good enough for an amateur rig. And then if it isn't delivered how easy will it be to collect the insurance??? And how long will it take to trace the shipment before they settle the claim??? The buyer will want his money back right away. The best USPS has to offer is Global Express Guaranteed. It has a $2500 insurance limit. I priced up a 10 pound package to the UK with $2000 insurance and the shipping cost is $155. UPS is probably the most reliable service since they have their own people at the delivery end but the cost will be higher still. The same 10 pound package in a 12 x 12 x 12 inch box, insured at $2000, would cost $224 to ship to the UK. Is it worth the hassle when there are buyers in the US? I don't think so. 73, Mike K2MK Ray G3XLG wrote: I am intrigued, I've noticed that when various Elecraft rigs are offered for private sale on this forum they invariably say Continental USA only. Why...? We Europeans also have PayPal, Visa, Bank Transfers etc etc so what's the problem please? I just bought a kit accessories direct from Elecraft 2 weeks ago, it was delivered within 7 days and they didn't have a problem with selling to Europe. Just interested . 73 Ray G3XLG -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Private-Sales-of-used-Elecraft-Rigs-tp6431789p6432890.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
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Have to back up what Jim, KL7CC,.said: Flat-Rate Priority Mail is just that - the same amount to ship to all 50 states! I use PayPal as it most convenient for selling and buying (verified funds and almost instantly transferred-no monetary exchange fees). I can use my credit card with PayPal as most hams are not able to accept a cc payment. But then some folks don't like PayPal (I translate that to mean they do not trust it). I have been using is for several years with both ebay and private ham transactions, in the USA and internationally. Never a problem! BTW International Priority Mail is reasonably fast (from Alaska to EU about 15-days or less). Customs forms are not hard to fill out. If you have a question ask at the postal desk. I think the CONUS folks need to come up and mush a dog team at -20F and have a sleep-over in an igloo. Folks have got too used to easy-fast everything with apps! Just as a side note so you know where I am coming from: I lived my first three years in Alaska in a 8x10 foot canvas wall-tent heated with wood and no utilities of any kind...I would not trade that experience for anything (but glad I live in a modern gas-heated home, now). I have had sled dogs since 1980 with only three left in their (and my) old age. When folks limit their transactions to CONUS they miss out. I hear there are a lot of rich oil people live up in Alaska! I could say more but this is OT. 73, Ed - KL7UW, WD2XSH/45 == BP40IQ 500 KHz - 10-GHz www.kl7uw.com EME: 50-1.1kw?, 144-1.4kw, 432-100w, 1296-testing*, 3400-? DUBUS Magazine USA Rep dubus...@hotmail.com == __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
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Anybody remember the scam where the buyer wanted to overpay by $500 or $1000 or so, have a friend in the U.S. handle the shipping and the extra remittance. The overseas payment bounced, and there was no recourse. 73, Mike NF4L __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
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Hello Ray, I have the impression that quite a number of the US sellers are worried about shipping overseas (I don't know why). In the past, when I bought from private individuals in US, I had to even give them weblink to USPS about using which way of shipping e.g. International Priority standard rate box etc. Or, I simply ask them to use my Fedex account so that they have no involvement in paying any shipping costs. In some cases, since the sellers were so worried that I simply asked them to ship to my friends in US. And then I asked my friend to re-ship the gears to me. Nowadays, logistics among countries are just so common. As long as the parcels are well packed and properly tracked, I don't see any problems. Similar to you, I am not complaining about anyone here but just curious. TNX 73, Johnny VR2XMC 從︰ Ray Spreadbury ray...@btinternet.com 收件人︰ elecraft@mailman.qth.net 傳送日期︰ 2011年06月3日 (週五) 12:07 AM 主題︰ [Elecraft] Private Sales of used Elecraft Rigs I am intrigued, I've noticed that when various Elecraft rigs are offered for private sale on this forum they invariably say Continental USA only. Why...? We Europeans also have PayPal, Visa, Bank Transfers etc etc so what's the problem please? I just bought a kit accessories direct from Elecraft 2 weeks ago, it was delivered within 7 days and they didn't have a problem with selling to Europe. Just interested . 73 Ray G3XLG __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
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Shipping via the US Postal Service is not something that many of us would choose to do, especially with something as delicate and valuable as a ham transceiver. That's a big part of why UPS and Fed Ex exist. -- =OK, but it is generally cheaper outside CONUS to use USPS vs. UPS/FedEx. And the buyer chooses mode of shipping and pays the rate - so where it the problem? For something expensive, definitely insure it (again the buyer pays). --- In my case, the major reason I don't want to sell internationally is the matter of customs and duties, with the associated paperwork. Here it's mostly ignorance of what is needed, what the procedures are, etc. I might look at it differently with a ham I knew as the buyer. Nothing parochial beyond ignorance. :) 73, Jim K9YC -- =And I think THIS is really the problem folks are having - they imagine all sorts of issues! Customs and duties are paid by the receiving party (not the shipper). All you need do is describe the item. Simple as saying Ham radio parts. Estimate their value (this is what the customs will charge by), your name/address, the destination name/address, your done! Not any harder than filling out a money order. The form is half-page in size and most boxes do not need to be filled in as they do not apply. -- OK done ranting ;-) 73, Ed - KL7UW, WD2XSH/45 == BP40IQ 500 KHz - 10-GHz www.kl7uw.com EME: 50-1.1kw?, 144-1.4kw, 432-100w, 1296-testing*, 3400-? DUBUS Magazine USA Rep dubus...@hotmail.com == __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
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Let me just add a few bits of information about shipping to the 50th state: USPS is quite likely the best way to ship to Hawaii (provided you DO NOT ship Parcel Post or Media Mail -- they can take up to 3 months to get here, even from places as close as California). Priority Mail and First Class are excellent to Hawaii, arriving in a few days. They are insurable, trackable and almost always arrive in good condition. The old notion that USPS is rough with packages doesn't seem to be true anymore. Some of the worst looking packages, as far as being beaten and mistreated, have come UPS. UPS is about the worst way to ship to Hawaii, inasmuch as they cost about 3 times as much as Postal for no better service. Oh, and they just love to try and convince us that we don't have Ground service to Hawaii and that we must pay even more for 2nd Day Air. It's a bunch of hogwash. We get Ground shipments everyday (still 3 times overpriced, though). FedEx to Hawaii is great when the package is too big or too heavy for Postal. They are more expensive, but not ridiculously so as in UPS. So, I say all this, not to clog up the reflector, but to just suggest that anyone selling anything here should lay off the CONUS restriction. If you want to limit to USA Only, well that's one thing, but no need to cut AK and HI out of the party. True story: I was going to buy a $1000 item from someone who as it turned out didn't want to sell to HI. I explained that there is no difference in shipping and if there was, I'd make up the difference. Then he says he can only ship via UPS, and that shipping would be nearly $300. *I don't think so!* I tried to suggest USPS, or even FedEX, but he'd have no part of that. So he got to keep his item (I have some suggestions as to where he could store it, but never mind that now...). Now, a little while later, I found the same thing for about the same price, and it was being sold by someone who didn't mind Hawaii and didn't mind postal. Shipping via Postal was about $40, insured and tracked. It arrived, in perfect condition, in 3 days from the east coast. Those of us in Hawaii deal with this everyday. Its an island...if you want it here you have to ship it here. So those of us that live here know the ins and outs of shipping here. if in doubt, ask us. OK, I'm done. Back to your regularly scheduled programming, already in progress. 73 Aloha, Dave AH6TD __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
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I agree with Mike that paper work may not be the problem but I think we have all heard of horror stories of one kind or another. Dealing with the USPS is usually a pleasant experience but not always. One international transaction took me over an hour at the counter. The supervisor was repeatedly called. It was the clerks first day on the job. He still works at the same office but he doesn't smile when I remind him of his first day. There was also the clerk that wanted international postage to ship to New Mexico. My biggest fears are what I will call the Nigerian scams. Ebay sellers see them all the time. There always seems to be a new twist to what turns out to be an old scam. Certified checks and other bonded instruments turn out to be worthy only for hanging in the bathroom. By US law checks less than 5K$ are quickly cleared but may be billed back weeks later with all charges reversed and hefty negotiation charges added. Paypal may be a useful tool but not everyone can process credit transactions. Even if you have credit card capability certain international transactions require the card to be swiped. No one has mentioned international packing requirements but everyone has heard of the clerks playing soccer ball with the packages. Everything has to be very well packed. Adding the words 'fragile' or 'this side up' calls attention to the thieves of valuable contents. Also the contents may be subject to customs inspection so you can not seal everything up. This also gives the thieves an opportunity to inspect. Heavier items must be wood crated. One famous amplifier manufacturer requires their power transformers to be removed and shipped separately. Finally, US citizens assume they are protected by US law. This is almost never the case in foreign transactions. The buyer's country law almost always applies which is to say no law at all if we are shipping to many third world countries. In the end I think you can understand why it is far easier to say CONUS ONLY. Fred Townsend, AE6QL -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Mike K2MK Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2011 2:13 PM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Private Sales of used Elecraft Rigs Hi Ray, Paperwork is not the problem. If you pay for the shipment on-line you can fill out the simple paperwork there as well. The real problems with international shipments are cost and insurability. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
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Fred, CONUS means Continental United States. That leaves out Alaska and Hawaii. Nothing you have stated here applies any more to the 49th and 50th state of these United States than it does to 1 through 48. We are not Nigeria (no offense to Africa), we don't require international packing, and you are fully protected by US law here. Stipulating Non-international or USA only is one thing, but CONUS is unnecessary. 73 Aloha, Dave AH6TD On Jun 2, 2011, at 1:13 PM, Fred Townsend wrote: I agree with Mike that paper work may not be the problem but I think we have all heard of horror stories of one kind or another. Dealing with the USPS is usually a pleasant experience but not always. One international transaction took me over an hour at the counter. The supervisor was repeatedly called. It was the clerks first day on the job. He still works at the same office but he doesn't smile when I remind him of his first day. There was also the clerk that wanted international postage to ship to New Mexico. My biggest fears are what I will call the Nigerian scams. Ebay sellers see them all the time. There always seems to be a new twist to what turns out to be an old scam. Certified checks and other bonded instruments turn out to be worthy only for hanging in the bathroom. By US law checks less than 5K$ are quickly cleared but may be billed back weeks later with all charges reversed and hefty negotiation charges added. Paypal may be a useful tool but not everyone can process credit transactions. Even if you have credit card capability certain international transactions require the card to be swiped. No one has mentioned international packing requirements but everyone has heard of the clerks playing soccer ball with the packages. Everything has to be very well packed. Adding the words 'fragile' or 'this side up' calls attention to the thieves of valuable contents. Also the contents may be subject to customs inspection so you can not seal everything up. This also gives the thieves an opportunity to inspect. Heavier items must be wood crated. One famous amplifier manufacturer requires their power transformers to be removed and shipped separately. Finally, US citizens assume they are protected by US law. This is almost never the case in foreign transactions. The buyer's country law almost always applies which is to say no law at all if we are shipping to many third world countries. In the end I think you can understand why it is far easier to say CONUS ONLY. Fred Townsend, AE6QL -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Mike K2MK Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2011 2:13 PM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Private Sales of used Elecraft Rigs Hi Ray, Paperwork is not the problem. If you pay for the shipment on-line you can fill out the simple paperwork there as well. The real problems with international shipments are cost and insurability. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
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Hello David, After I read through the answers, it appears to me that it would be a matter of convenience for individual seller and knowledge about international shipping. Hong Kong is an international city not less advance than New York City too much. We ship in and out all sorts of goods and gears everyday as part of a financial centre of the world. Banking system here is also first rate. To comfort USA sellers, I would offer to pay by paypal, wire transfer or a check drawn in favour of a US bank such as HSBC US. I would further allow the seller to wait for the clearance of my check before shipping. I bought radio gears occasionally from US dealers. I did not encounter any problem in packages. Elecraft is one of the good examples. I did not encounter any problem from the shipping of Elecraft gears from Apoto to Hong Kong because they were well packed. I also bought my K3 from an US ham in this reflector. The entire transaction was smooth and no problem. Both the buyer and seller were happy. We do not have any state tax, federal tax, import duty, VAT, GST and customs duty etc. Filling the customs papers is simple. The seller simply writes down the actual contents and prices. On the other hand, I have no problem to send any gears from Hong Kong to US. Radio gears of the big names here are mostly 20% cheaper than US. Sales from Hong Kong to most parts of the world including US are just common and part of the radio dealers' lifes (I am NOT a dealer). To conclude, it would be just an individual seller's preference and knowledge of international shipping. Clearly, if he can sell his gears right the way in CONUS, then why bother shipping overseas - even Hong Kong is one of the free ports with advanced banking system in the world. TNX 73, Johnny VR2XMC 從︰ David Herring d...@ah6td.com 收件人︰ elecraft@mailman.qth.net 傳送日期︰ 2011年06月3日 (週五) 6:45 AM 主題︰ Re: [Elecraft] Private Sales of used Elecraft Rigs Let me just add a few bits of information about shipping to the 50th state: USPS is quite likely the best way to ship to Hawaii (provided you DO NOT ship Parcel Post or Media Mail -- they can take up to 3 months to get here, even from places as close as California). Priority Mail and First Class are excellent to Hawaii, arriving in a few days. They are insurable, trackable and almost always arrive in good condition. The old notion that USPS is rough with packages doesn't seem to be true anymore. Some of the worst looking packages, as far as being beaten and mistreated, have come UPS. UPS is about the worst way to ship to Hawaii, inasmuch as they cost about 3 times as much as Postal for no better service. Oh, and they just love to try and convince us that we don't have Ground service to Hawaii and that we must pay even more for 2nd Day Air. It's a bunch of hogwash. We get Ground shipments everyday (still 3 times overpriced, though). FedEx to Hawaii is great when the package is too big or too heavy for Postal. They are more expensive, but not ridiculously so as in UPS. So, I say all this, not to clog up the reflector, but to just suggest that anyone selling anything here should lay off the CONUS restriction. If you want to limit to USA Only, well that's one thing, but no need to cut AK and HI out of the party. True story: I was going to buy a $1000 item from someone who as it turned out didn't want to sell to HI. I explained that there is no difference in shipping and if there was, I'd make up the difference. Then he says he can only ship via UPS, and that shipping would be nearly $300. *I don't think so!* I tried to suggest USPS, or even FedEX, but he'd have no part of that. So he got to keep his item (I have some suggestions as to where he could store it, but never mind that now...). Now, a little while later, I found the same thing for about the same price, and it was being sold by someone who didn't mind Hawaii and didn't mind postal. Shipping via Postal was about $40, insured and tracked. It arrived, in perfect condition, in 3 days from the east coast. Those of us in Hawaii deal with this everyday. Its an island...if you want it here you have to ship it here. So those of us that live here know the ins and outs of shipping here. if in doubt, ask us. OK, I'm done. Back to your regularly scheduled programming, already in progress. 73 Aloha, Dave AH6TD __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http
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And which continent, exactly, are we on? grin - Jim, KL7CC Anchorage, AK David Herring wrote: Fred, CONUS means Continental United States. That leaves out Alaska and Hawaii. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
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Trick question, no fair. Don KD8NNU On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 8:53 PM, Jim Wiley wrote: And which continent, exactly, are we on? grin - Jim, KL7CC Anchorage, AK David Herring wrote: Fred, CONUS means Continental United States. That leaves out Alaska and Hawaii. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
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I believe that CONUS is actually Contiguous United States which does not include Hawaii or Alaska even if Alaska is on North America. It also does not include Puerto Rico, U. S. Virgin Islands, Guam and other possessions. But, as far as I know the postal and other rules are the same for the whole United States, Contiguous or not and States, Possessions or Protectorates, but a person selling something is entitle to make up their own rules. Willis 'Cookie' Cooke K5EWJ Trustee N5BPS, USS Cavalla, USS Stewart From: Jim Wiley jwi...@alaska.net To: David Herring d...@ah6td.com Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net; Mike K2MK k...@comcast.net Sent: Thu, June 2, 2011 7:53:15 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Private Sales of used Elecraft Rigs And which continent, exactly, are we on? grin - Jim, KL7CC Anchorage, AK David Herring wrote: Fred, CONUS means Continental United States. That leaves out Alaska and Hawaii. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
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USPS is my preferred shipper. As I have mentioned before, they are local, they are generally helpful, are probably your neighbors, and have no interest in keeping you from insurance claims should the need arise. My mailman has even run around to the back of my house to place packages out of the rain. 73 K1NR K2 6Kxx On Thu, 02 Jun 2011 12:49:27 -0500 n...@n5ge.com wrote: Here in the USA I always choose USPS Priority Mail if given the option. It usually costs about the same as UPS Ground and is always delivered within two business days of being shipped. Why pay more? On Thu, 02 Jun 2011 19:32:42 +0200, István Szabó ha...@t-online.hu wrote: USPS is great to buy goods from US. Reasonable cost and I have never had any issues with them. For transceivers this should be a tracked package. UPS is more costly but also good. István Szabó HA4ZD On 6/2/2011 7:25 PM, Jim Brown wrote: On 6/2/2011 10:06 AM, Jan Erik Holm wrote: I can not understand how going down to the local post office would be a problem and if the customer pays the shipping why would that present a problem for the seller, but then again what do I know? Shipping via the US Postal Service is not something that many of us would choose to do, especially with something as delicate and valuable as a ham transceiver. That's a big part of why UPS and Fed Ex exist. In my case, the major reason I don't want to sell internationally is the matter of customs and duties, with the associated paperwork. Here it's mostly ignorance of what is needed, what the procedures are, etc. I might look at it differently with a ham I knew as the buyer. Nothing parochial beyond ignorance. :) 73, Jim K9YC __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html - Web mail provided by NuNet, Inc. The Premier National provider. http://www.nni.com/ __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
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This is an interesting and educational topic. I haven't yet had to ship any equipment overseas, but there is a EU ham who wants to buy my Ten-Tec 526/6N2 transceiver if I decide to sell it (which I haven't - it's second only to the FT-817 for convenience for portable work). Though it's a quasi-governmental agency, the US Postal Service was privatized several years ago. As such, they are expected to make a reasonable attempt at being profitable. The Flat Rate boxes are the latest attempt at being competitive with UPS and FedEx, at least for shipments within the US (all 50 states). There are probably an equal number of horror stories about packages being damaged by USPS and the other carriers. In the last year or so I've sold some ham equipment that was excess to my needs. One bit of value-added service that the buyers have enjoyed is that I paid for professional packing at the local UPS Store. Never a problem. It cost me a bit more, but I had the peace of mind knowing that the gear would arrive at its destination in the same shape that it left my hands. After my mother passed away we cleaned out the condo and shipped things that we wanted to keep from Florida to California. Even a music box with blown-glass figurines on top arrived with no damage. An interesting thing about UPS is that in case of loss or damage, only the shipper can file a claim. By using the packing and shipping services at the UPS Store, they are considered to be the shipper and if things go sideways they will step in to resolve the problem. The other thing is that, since it was packed by a UPS agent, they are less likely to reject a claim because the item was not packed adequately. The USPS must be doing a better job at being competitive, as I'm seeing more and more goods that I order shipped that way rather than by UPS. FedEx sometimes uses the arrangement whereby they ship the item through their own channels to a point near its destination, then dump it into the postal system for delivery. I'm not sure how this saves money, but it must. 72/73 de Jim - AD6CW On 6/2/2011 3:45 PM, David Herring wrote: Let me just add a few bits of information about shipping to the 50th state: USPS is quite likely the best way to ship to Hawaii (provided you DO NOT ship Parcel Post or Media Mail -- they can take up to 3 months to get here, even from places as close as California). Priority Mail and First Class are excellent to Hawaii, arriving in a few days. They are insurable, trackable and almost always arrive in good condition. The old notion that USPS is rough with packages doesn't seem to be true anymore. Some of the worst looking packages, as far as being beaten and mistreated, have come UPS. UPS is about the worst way to ship to Hawaii, inasmuch as they cost about 3 times as much as Postal for no better service. Oh, and they just love to try and convince us that we don't have Ground service to Hawaii and that we must pay even more for 2nd Day Air. It's a bunch of hogwash. We get Ground shipments everyday (still 3 times overpriced, though). FedEx to Hawaii is great when the package is too big or too heavy for Postal. They are more expensive, but not ridiculously so as in UPS. So, I say all this, not to clog up the reflector, but to just suggest that anyone selling anything here should lay off the CONUS restriction. If you want to limit to USA Only, well that's one thing, but no need to cut AK and HI out of the party. True story: I was going to buy a $1000 item from someone who as it turned out didn't want to sell to HI. I explained that there is no difference in shipping and if there was, I'd make up the difference. Then he says he can only ship via UPS, and that shipping would be nearly $300. *I don't think so!* I tried to suggest USPS, or even FedEX, but he'd have no part of that. So he got to keep his item (I have some suggestions as to where he could store it, but never mind that now...). Now, a little while later, I found the same thing for about the same price, and it was being sold by someone who didn't mind Hawaii and didn't mind postal. Shipping via Postal was about $40, insured and tracked. It arrived, in perfect condition, in 3 days from the east coast. Those of us in Hawaii deal with this everyday. Its an island...if you want it here you have to ship it here. So those of us that live here know the ins and outs of shipping here. if in doubt, ask us. OK, I'm done. Back to your regularly scheduled programming, already in progress. 73 Aloha, Dave AH6TD __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
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I have several times sold items to foreign countries. Not too long ago I sold a few items to a small corner of Europe based on my ad on this list. My sales through ebay have gone to a variety of countries. In general, when I see that the buyer is actually a ham, I tend to agree to do it, even if I think it is a pain. Just the other day I sold an Icom to a fellow in Mexico using ebay. (Gotta raise some cash, given the appearance of new products from Elecraft.) In the case of the Mexican deal, my listing had excluded Mexico as an acceptable buyer location, but what do I do when he bids anyway and offers the best price, and is a fellow ham? It really isn't difficult to ship to other countries, and if I insist on a shipping method that includes good insurance and tracking all the way, I don't worry too much about it. (Maybe I have just been lucky so far, and an insurance nightmare will come one day.) But as a grumpy old man with significant experience shipping to foreign buyers, I feel qualified to explain why it is such a pain to ship to foreign buyers. It has little to do with difficulty, and perhaps not with risk, but it does have a lot to do with time spent unproductively, with resulting loss of self-respect: 1. People tend to think of a task being associated with a certain time required to do it. The IRS estimates that it takes 7 minutes to fill out this form. The discussion here has shown a similar mindset. I am sure this is appropriate if you are, say, a shipper in a shipping department, but it is a very misleading way of thinking when you are just a ham who will ship something occasionally. Unless you ship a number of items one after another, most of the time spent will not be for the actual shipping but for the mind adjustment and physical movements required to start doing a new type of task. Anyone working in an office knows that productivity will be awful unless your group together your phone calls to make, and group together the letters to write, etc. The ability to switch context just gets worse as we grow older. Radio buyers won't appreciate it if you tell them that you will ship their package at the end of the month together with all your other packages for the month. It does help if each package is shipped using exactly the same routine, using the same service, to the same country. Many buyers in other countries use the post office for everything. They miss out on the better service often available here from other companies, but they also have an advantage in that every shipment seems about the same, like you learn only once to ride a bicycle. Having to sometimes use the post office and sometimes another service to give the buyer the best rate is a source of great irritation. Add in the fact that the rules and procedures and forms are different depending on destination country, and each shipment devastates the day as much as a visit to the dentist. Unless you are a full-time shipper, your mind never learns any of it to the point that you can do it without really thinking hard about missing something. 2. With a foreign buyer, the number of emails exchanged before and after the sale tends to be 3 times the number with domestic buyers. First there is looking at different services to find one that is the best price including good insurance and estimated delivery time. (During this process, going back and forth, web site login expires, and you have to re-enter everything about the destination including the buyer's blood type. ) Then there is discussion about the adequacy of packing, and what to write on the outside of the package to avoid damage from rough handling or inspectors' knives. The customs forms tend to differ depending on the exact service chosen, even with the same shipping company. Then there is discussion about what the tracking number might be. Unless you prepared for the shipping day like a student cramming for a final, you sure didn't remember to ask the clerk. (This applies mostly to postal service, as the private services tend to help by telling you these things. This, and the terribly slow lines in the post office are reasons why some would never consider the post office unless it happens to save the foreign buyer a lot of money.) Then there are usually followup emails after completed delivery. Overall I think I spend at least half a day of my time on a completed transaction with a foreign buyer. What is the value of my time? There is some satisfaction from being helpful to a foreign ham, but it really isn't worth it unless the foreign buyer is willing to bid substantially more than domestic buyers. Fortunately this is often the case. However, one won't generally get the benefit of that higher price if one sets a friendly, fixed price. Next time I advertise something on this list, I may not set a fixed price but announce an auction (off list, maybe on ebay). 73, Erik K7TV __
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On 6/2/2011 6:59 PM, Eugene Balinski wrote: My mailman has even run around to the back of my house to place packages out of the rain. Contrast that with the local UPS driver who will place a package on the front steps, knock softly, and then run to his truck to see if he can get away before someone opens the door. Sometimes he doesn't knock, and sometimes he will leave the package in a secluded place on the side of the steps and not post the required where it is notice. FedEx will usually ring the bell before they do that. If it's the regular USPS letter carrier she usually will knock loudly before leaving a package, but the relief carriers usually don't. That's why I prefer a PO Box for my mail. What ever happened to personal service? -- 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane Elecraft K2/100 s/n 5402 From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
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HI Ray, Its nothing personal. And its not the hassle really. After getting stiffed three times on sales for various reasons (I really believe that there was fraud involved in at least one case) I just can't afford to sell things to people over seas. Granted it wasn't fellow hams but its just easier to say no then try and make exceptions. If you have a large enough business I suppose you have some kind of business insurance against these types of losses but for private parties the insurance provided by USPS and others is just inadequate and the risk too great. -- Thanks Jon KG6VDW __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
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Erik, A few comments before Eric S. shuts off this obviously OT discussion --. Some of your points about excess communications apply no matter whether the other ham is domestic or in a foreign country - I think we can blame it more on the anxiety of the recipient rather than anything else. Perhaps international shipping creates additional anxiety on both ends for the inexperienced. Recently, I had a package shipped to me - USPS and it had delivery confirmation paid for and applied to it. The sender did not bother check the tracking to see whether it was delivered - he instead sent me an email (which I had to take the time and effort to respond to) asking if I had received the parcel. So, if that was his intent, why did he pay the $0.70 for delivery confirmation service. And secondly, since he paid for DC service, why did he bother me with questions when he could have inquired of the service he had paid for? It all remains a mystery to me - why do some buy premium gasoline when their cars are designed to run on regular? - it is one more of those mysteries that make no real sense - take advantage of the services that you are paying for, otherwise, why pay for them? If one does not use them, then the cost is not justified. Now consider - if he was determined to ask me if it was received, why did he pay for delivery confirmation. And, since he did pay for delivery confirmation, why did he not type the number in at USPS.com to find out whether I had received it or not. USPS has improved its tracking in the last year or so - before that, you could tell when it was shipped and when it was delivered, but nothing in between. They have improved, with real tracking information, so those paying for delivery confirmation, the delivery confirmation number (or in the case of international shipments, the customs number) will give you the location of the parcel at any given time. If you send a parcel through USPS with Delivery Confirmation, you can now go to the USPS.com website and sign up for email notices of the progress - if you are the shipper, you can request those notifications be sent to the recipient (and you as well if you have interest) - that is not automatic, but it is easy to do. 73, Don W3FPR On 6/2/2011 10:58 PM, Erik Basilier wrote: 2. With a foreign buyer, the number of emails exchanged before and after the sale tends to be 3 times the number with domestic buyers. First there is looking at different services to find one that is the best price including good insurance and estimated delivery time. (During this process, going back and forth, web site login expires, and you have to re-enter everything about the destination including the buyer's blood type. ) Then there is discussion about the adequacy of packing, and what to write on the outside of the package to avoid damage from rough handling or inspectors' knives. The customs forms tend to differ depending on the exact service chosen, even with the same shipping company. Then there is discussion about what the tracking number might be. Unless you prepared for the shipping day like a student cramming for a final, you sure didn't remember to ask the clerk. (This applies mostly to postal service, as the private services tend to help by telling you these things. This, and the terribly slow lines in the post office are reasons why some would never consider the post office unless it happens to save the foreign buyer a lot of money.) Then there are usually followup emails after completed delivery. Overall I think I spend at least half a day of my time on a completed transaction with a foreign buyer. What is the value of my time? There is some satisfaction from being helpful to a foreign ham, but it really isn't worth it unless the foreign buyer is willing to bid substantially more than domestic buyers. Fortunately this is often the case. However, one won't generally get the benefit of that higher price if one sets a friendly, fixed price. Next time I advertise something on this list, I may not set a fixed price but announce an auction (off list, maybe on ebay). __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
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That's the problem with acronyms and abbreviations - they confuse more than communicate. Ron AC7AC -Original Message- I believe that CONUS is actually Contiguous United States which does not include Hawaii or Alaska even if Alaska is on North America. It also does not include Puerto Rico, U. S. Virgin Islands, Guam and other possessions. But, as far as I know the postal and other rules are the same for the whole United States, Contiguous or not and States, Possessions or Protectorates, but a person selling something is entitle to make up their own rules. Willis 'Cookie' Cooke K5EWJ Trustee N5BPS, USS Cavalla, USS Stewart __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
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Usually, acronyms are intended for a limited audience who understands the meaning, but they tend to fall into general usage which includes those not trained in the actual meaning. In this case everyone seemed to know that CONUS does not include Alaska, no doubt because of so many vets and movies, but the confusion came from thinking the CON was for Continental rather than Contiguous. The question was raised that Alaska is in North America, so why was it not included? Indeed CONUS came into usage during WW2 when Alaska was not a state and the definition may have changed between inception of the acronym and my Viet Nam era service. Willis 'Cookie' Cooke K5EWJ Trustee N5BPS, USS Cavalla, USS Stewart From: Ron D'Eau Claire r...@cobi.biz To: WILLIS COOKE wrco...@yahoo.com; N jwi...@alaska.net; David Herring d...@ah6td.com Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net; Mike K2MK k...@comcast.net Sent: Thu, June 2, 2011 10:46:48 PM Subject: RE: [Elecraft] Private Sales of used Elecraft Rigs That's the problem with acronyms and abbreviations - they confuse more than communicate. Ron AC7AC -Original Message- I believe that CONUS is actually Contiguous United States which does not include Hawaii or Alaska even if Alaska is on North America. It also does not include Puerto Rico, U. S. Virgin Islands, Guam and other possessions. But, as far as I know the postal and other rules are the same for the whole United States, Contiguous or not and States, Possessions or Protectorates, but a person selling something is entitle to make up their own rules. Willis 'Cookie' Cooke K5EWJ Trustee N5BPS, USS Cavalla, USS Stewart __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
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Hi all, A mail forwarding service may be of interest to some of you. I personally use http://www.shipito.com/www.shipito.com they give you an address in California and offer great discounts on shipping using USPS Fedex or DHL. I checked the price for the same 12x12x12 10 lbs 2000 dollar package to the UK. USPS priority mail 56 + 35 insurance USPS express mail 75 + 16 insurance Fed Ex economy 95 including insurance Fed Ex priority 100 including insurance DHL 80 including insurance You complete your own customs declaration online They charge a fee of 8 dollars on top of shipping for their service and they are very efficient higly recommend to all of you. I am currently shipping a K2 with ATU to Thailand from US shipping cost with DHL is 100 dollars including the shipito service fee. They have a shipping calculator on their site. Best Regards Nathan Hall HS0ZHG __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
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I don't suppose you guys heard what the US postman left at one house while delivering mail on his route. This took place in Portland Oregon several months ago (I think, maybe more recent then that). He was in the news again because after being on suspension and waiting at home, his employer said that he could keep his job but on another route. On Jun 2, 2011, at 8:13 PM, Phil Kane wrote: On 6/2/2011 6:59 PM, Eugene Balinski wrote: My mailman has even run around to the back of my house to place packages out of the rain. Contrast that with the local UPS driver who will place a package on the front steps, knock softly, and then run to his truck to see if he can get away before someone opens the door. Sometimes he doesn't knock, and sometimes he will leave the package in a secluded place on the side of the steps and not post the required where it is notice. FedEx will usually ring the bell before they do that. If it's the regular USPS letter carrier she usually will knock loudly before leaving a package, but the relief carriers usually don't. That's why I prefer a PO Box for my mail. What ever happened to personal service? -- 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane Elecraft K2/100 s/n 5402 From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
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You guys live in the wrong place! My Fed Ex, UPS and Postal Carriers are all very courteous and careful to find me if they need a signature. My rural mailbox is a couple hundred yards from the house, so if there's something that doesn't fit, the US Postal carrier comes to my door. Fed EX and UPS don't stick around if they don't need a signature, but the wrap everything in water proof plastic (this IS rainy Oregon) and leave it where I've asked them to. If they aren't sure, they call me! Maybe it helps to say Thank You when they bring something. In our neighborhood, one must learn to drive one-handed because it's basic politeness to wave to everyone while driving by, even the school bus drivers... Ron AC7AC -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Phil Hystad Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2011 10:25 PM To: k2...@kanafi.org Cc: Elecraft Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Private Sales of used Elecraft Rigs I don't suppose you guys heard what the US postman left at one house while delivering mail on his route. This took place in Portland Oregon several months ago (I think, maybe more recent then that). He was in the news again because after being on suspension and waiting at home, his employer said that he could keep his job but on another route. On Jun 2, 2011, at 8:13 PM, Phil Kane wrote: On 6/2/2011 6:59 PM, Eugene Balinski wrote: My mailman has even run around to the back of my house to place packages out of the rain. Contrast that with the local UPS driver who will place a package on the front steps, knock softly, and then run to his truck to see if he can get away before someone opens the door. Sometimes he doesn't knock, and sometimes he will leave the package in a secluded place on the side of the steps and not post the required where it is notice. FedEx will usually ring the bell before they do that. If it's the regular USPS letter carrier she usually will knock loudly before leaving a package, but the relief carriers usually don't. That's why I prefer a PO Box for my mail. What ever happened to personal service? -- 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane Elecraft K2/100 s/n 5402 From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
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Thanks, ,it sounds interesting to me TNX 73, Johnny VR2XMC 從︰ Nathan Hall dxt...@gmail.com 收件人︰ Elecraft@mailman.qth.net Elecraft@mailman.qth.net 傳送日期︰ 2011年06月3日 (週五) 1:01 PM 主題︰ [Elecraft] Private sales of used Elecraft Rigs Hi all, A mail forwarding service may be of interest to some of you. I personally use http://www.shipito.com/www.shipito.com they give you an address in California and offer great discounts on shipping using USPS Fedex or DHL. I checked the price for the same 12x12x12 10 lbs 2000 dollar package to the UK. USPS priority mail 56 + 35 insurance USPS express mail 75 + 16 insurance Fed Ex economy 95 including insurance Fed Ex priority 100 including insurance DHL 80 including insurance You complete your own customs declaration online They charge a fee of 8 dollars on top of shipping for their service and they are very efficient higly recommend to all of you. I am currently shipping a K2 with ATU to Thailand from US shipping cost with DHL is 100 dollars including the shipito service fee. They have a shipping calculator on their site. Best Regards Nathan Hall HS0ZHG __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
