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Re: [Elecraft] time to order your P3, design details?

2010-04-19 Thread sfbonk



The P3 controls sure don't look simple to me. Then again, this may be the Ten 
Tec version since it has Orion on it.

http://www.shutterpoint.com/Photos-ViewPhoto.cfm?id=668020

W3OU, Steve






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From: Al Lorona alor...@sbcglobal.net
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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] time to order your P3, design details?



 To get you started, look at ... 
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_Fom1QwNa4feature=related  
That is really pretty, but my prevailing thought was that perhaps it's just too 
uch eye candy-- which really doesn't make interpreting the data any easier. The 
pectrum readout-- arguably the most important area of the screen-- is difficult 
o concentrate on with the distraction of the other detail (color, shading, 
exture, 3D effects, text, labels, buttons, controls) of the skin.
I really believe simpler is better. Let me illustrate by example. The last time 
ou flew on a Boeing 767 this is what the pilots saw on the flight deck:
ttp://www.airliners.net/photo/Continental-Airlines/Boeing-767-424-ER/070/sid=0444c7e1280e36facb8845d82b29142f
   

any of you would perhaps laugh at such a simplistic 1970s display and would 
ind excuses not to pay money for it in 2010. But this is certainly a 
ission-critical application where simpler displays mean quick, efficient 
nterpretation by the pilots in whose hands we place our lives. They gotta be 
ble to glance and read the situation instantly, without having to twiddle or 
ead a lot of controls. 
I know I'm comparing apples and oranges. And I know I'm sounding like an old 
uy. But the trend in radios-- whether traditional or SDR-- is certainly going 
owards more and more eye candy. These fancier and fancier GUIs (and front 
anels) can start to make one dizzy. If it doesn't have at least four blue LEDs 
nd two or three irregular-shaped pink buttons, people won't buy it, I guess!
The display of the P3 shares many characteristics with the 767 display. Without 
etting into any of the pro-computer/ anti-computer arguments, this is one 
eason why I like the way the P3 has been laid out.
I kinda like simple and uncluttered. If it's good enough for the captain of a 
67, it's good enough for me.
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Re: [Elecraft] time to order your P3, design details?

2010-04-19 Thread Fred Jensen

Al Lorona wrote:

 That is really pretty, but my prevailing thought was that perhaps
 it's just too much eye candy-- which really doesn't make interpreting
 the data any easier. The spectrum readout-- arguably the most
 important area of the screen-- is difficult to concentrate on with
 the distraction of the other detail (color, shading, texture, 3D
 effects, text, labels, buttons, controls) of the skin.

How much of the P3 display information will I miss?  I have no color vision.

73,

Fred K6DGW
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Re: [Elecraft] time to order your P3, design details?

2010-04-19 Thread Larry Phipps

That version of PowerSDR is not optimized for panadapter use. Like
anything, there are a variety of SDR programs around. The latest
PowerSDR/IF Stage svn from WU2X W1CEG can fill the screen with just
the pan display (or waterfall or panafall). You can also add a
VFO/S-Meter strip and/or Band/Mode buttons. No clutter, huge pan
display, just the most needed controls. Here are some examples...

http://www.telepostinc.com/psdr35_collapsed_2a.png
http://www.telepostinc.com/DSCN0583f.jpg

73,
Larry N8LP

Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2010 11:26:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Al Lorona
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design details? To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Message-ID:
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?To get you started, look at ...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_Fom1QwNa4feature=related ?

That is really pretty, but?my prevailing thought was that perhaps it's just
too much eye candy-- which really doesn't?make interpreting the?data any
easier. The spectrum readout-- arguably the most important area of the
screen-- is difficult to concentrate on with the distraction of the other
detail (color, shading, texture, 3D effects, text, labels, buttons, controls)
of the skin.

I really believe?simpler is better. Let me illustrate by example. The last
time you flew on a Boeing 767 this is what the pilots saw on the flight deck:
http://www.airliners.net/photo/Continental-Airlines/Boeing-767-424-ER/070/sid=0444c7e1280e36facb8845d82b29142f??

Many?of you?would perhaps laugh at such a?simplistic 1970s display and would
find excuses not to pay money for it in 2010.?But this is certainly a
mission-critical application where simpler displays mean quick, efficient
interpretation by the pilots in whose hands we place our lives. They gotta be
able to glance and read the situation instantly, without having to twiddle or
read a lot of controls.

I know I'm comparing apples and oranges. And I know I'm sounding like an old
guy. But the trend in radios-- whether traditional or SDR-- is certainly
going towards more and more eye candy. These fancier and fancier GUIs (and
front panels) can start to make one dizzy. If it doesn't have at least?four
blue LEDs and?two or three?irregular-shaped pink buttons, people won't buy
it, I guess!

The display of the P3 shares many characteristics with the 767 display.
Without getting into any of the pro-computer/ anti-computer arguments, this
is one reason why I like the way the P3 has been laid out.

I kinda like simple and uncluttered. If it's good enough for the captain of a
767, it's good enough for me.

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