Re: [Elecraft] winkeyer

[donovanf]

Hi Jim, 



I've never had a problem with external computer keying through the 
K3 serial port, it works fine in K3 CW PTT mode. 


My recommendation is to: 
- remove the unwanted VOX delay applied to the end of the PTT 
in VOX mode 


- Eliminate the unwanted QSK behavior of the internal keyer when 
the K3 is in CW PTT mode. Ideally the improved K3 behavior 
should be just the very well designed K1EL WinKeyer that so 
many of us are using because the K3 internal keyer is so bad. 


73 
Frank 
W3LPL 





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From: "Jim Brown" <j...@audiosystemsgroup.com> 
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net 
Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2017 6:32:26 PM 
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] winkeyer 

I don't think the suggestion is to emulate a WinKeyer to contesting 
software, but rather for the internal keyer to have the same logic as 
WinKeyer when you send with a paddle and for the amp keying line to 
behave like the WinKeyer when sending either with the paddle, or from 
the computer via the straight key jack or the DTR line. 

Right, Frank? 

73, Jim K9YC 

On Wed,2/15/2017 10:07 AM, iain macdonnell - N6ML wrote: 
> Most (/all) software will expect to talk to the WinKeyer on a separate 
> serial port from the rig, so for that to use useful, you'd have to 
> come up with some way to combine the traffic from/to two virtual 
> serial ports into one real one. It's probably doable in software, but 
> maybe non-trivial 

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Re: [Elecraft] winkeyer

[Jean-François Ménard]

Hi,

I am using the Winkeyer USB since I bought my K3S last year. Really enjoy it 
and well supported my all major softwares.

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Re: [Elecraft] winkeyer

[Jim Brown]

I don't think the suggestion is to emulate a WinKeyer to contesting 
software, but rather for the internal keyer to have the same logic as 
WinKeyer when you send with a paddle and for the amp keying line to 
behave like the WinKeyer when sending either with the paddle, or from 
the computer via the straight key jack or the DTR line.


Right, Frank?

73, Jim K9YC

On Wed,2/15/2017 10:07 AM, iain macdonnell - N6ML wrote:

Most (/all) software will expect to talk to the WinKeyer on a separate
serial port from the rig, so for that to use useful, you'd have to
come up with some way to combine the traffic from/to two virtual
serial ports into one real one. It's probably doable in software, but
maybe non-trivial


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Re: [Elecraft] winkeyer

[Gerald Manthey]

I second that, so much software support winkeyer. 
Gerald 

> On Feb 15, 2017, at 11:57 AM, Jim Larson  wrote:
> 
> It sure would be awesome if a user could put the internal K3s keyer into a
> Winkeyer emulation mode. The majority of logging software supports K1EL's
> command set, but not all support the Elecraft command set.
> 
> Jim - KK7A
> 
> On February 15, 2017 at 10:13:37 AM, Fred C. Jensen (k6...@foothill.net)
> wrote:
> 
>> I use a WK3 w/USB to N1MM, VOX on, QSK on ... works great.
>> 
>> 73,
>> 
>> Fred K6DGW
>> Sparks NV DM09dn
>> 
>> 
>> NOEL POULIN  wrote:
>> 
>> Anybody in this group using K1EL winkeyer USB(wkusb-smt) with the K3
>> radio??
>> I would appreciate comments.
>> I am using a computer LPT CW INTERFACE at the momentwith a K3S, and
>> want to switch to a keyer soon...
>> Thanks
>> Noel
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Re: [Elecraft] winkeyer

[iain macdonnell - N6ML]

Most (/all) software will expect to talk to the WinKeyer on a separate
serial port from the rig, so for that to use useful, you'd have to
come up with some way to combine the traffic from/to two virtual
serial ports into one real one. It's probably doable in software, but
maybe non-trivial

73,

~iain / N6ML



On Wed, Feb 15, 2017 at 9:57 AM, Jim Larson  wrote:
> It sure would be awesome if a user could put the internal K3s keyer into a
> Winkeyer emulation mode. The majority of logging software supports K1EL's
> command set, but not all support the Elecraft command set.
>
> Jim - KK7A
>
> On February 15, 2017 at 10:13:37 AM, Fred C. Jensen (k6...@foothill.net)
> wrote:
>
>> I use a WK3 w/USB to N1MM, VOX on, QSK on ... works great.
>>
>> 73,
>>
>> Fred K6DGW
>> Sparks NV DM09dn
>>
>>
>> NOEL POULIN  wrote:
>>
>> Anybody in this group using K1EL winkeyer USB(wkusb-smt) with the K3
>> radio??
>> I would appreciate comments.
>> I am using a computer LPT CW INTERFACE at the momentwith a K3S, and
>> want to switch to a keyer soon...
>> Thanks
>> Noel
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Re: [Elecraft] winkeyer

[Jim Larson]

It sure would be awesome if a user could put the internal K3s keyer into a
Winkeyer emulation mode. The majority of logging software supports K1EL's
command set, but not all support the Elecraft command set.

Jim - KK7A

On February 15, 2017 at 10:13:37 AM, Fred C. Jensen (k6...@foothill.net)
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> I use a WK3 w/USB to N1MM, VOX on, QSK on ... works great.
>
> 73,
>
> Fred K6DGW
> Sparks NV DM09dn
>
>
> NOEL POULIN  wrote:
>
> Anybody in this group using K1EL winkeyer USB(wkusb-smt) with the K3
> radio??
> I would appreciate comments.
> I am using a computer LPT CW INTERFACE at the momentwith a K3S, and
> want to switch to a keyer soon...
> Thanks
> Noel
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Re: [Elecraft] winkeyer

[John Meade W2XS]

I use the Winkeyer USB with the K3 and N3FJP software.  it works very well. 
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Re: [Elecraft] winkeyer

[David Davis]

Noel

I do not have a K3 but if you decide to use the WinKeyer USB let me know I have 
a basically brand new one I would make you a great deal on. 

I used it a bit and it worked great but I just do not have a use for it any 
longer. 

Thanks
David
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> On Feb 15, 2017, at 10:08, Doug Smith  wrote:
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> Yup, I am using a WinKeyer USB with a K3S and ACOM 1500. 
> 
> The WinKeyer is driven by N1MM+ and by paddles.  I run the K3S in QSK mode.  
> The K3S controls the amp key line.  Works great; no problems whatsoever.
> 
> Do you have specific questions?
> 
> 73,
> Doug, W7KF
> http://www.w7kf.com 
> 
> 
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>> On Feb 15, 2017, at 9:42 AM, NOEL POULIN  wrote:
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>> Anybody in this group using K1EL winkeyer USB(wkusb-smt) with the K3 radio??
>> I would appreciate comments.
>> I am using a computer LPT CW INTERFACE  at the momentwith a K3S, and 
>> want to switch to a keyer soon...
>> Thanks
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Re: [Elecraft] winkeyer

[Fred C. Jensen]

I use a WK3 w/USB to N1MM, VOX on, QSK on ... works great.

73,

Fred K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn


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>Anybody in this group using K1EL winkeyer USB(wkusb-smt) with the K3 radio??
>I would appreciate comments.
>I am using a computer LPT CW INTERFACE  at the momentwith a K3S, and 
>want to switch to a keyer soon...
>Thanks
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Re: [Elecraft] winkeyer

[Doug Smith]

Yup, I am using a WinKeyer USB with a K3S and ACOM 1500. 

The WinKeyer is driven by N1MM+ and by paddles.  I run the K3S in QSK mode.  
The K3S controls the amp key line.  Works great; no problems whatsoever.

Do you have specific questions?

73,
Doug, W7KF
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> Anybody in this group using K1EL winkeyer USB(wkusb-smt) with the K3 radio??
> I would appreciate comments.
> I am using a computer LPT CW INTERFACE  at the momentwith a K3S, and want 
> to switch to a keyer soon...
> Thanks
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[Elecraft] winkeyer

[NOEL POULIN]

Anybody in this group using K1EL winkeyer USB(wkusb-smt) with the K3 radio??
I would appreciate comments.
I am using a computer LPT CW INTERFACE  at the momentwith a K3S, and 
want to switch to a keyer soon...

Thanks
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[Elecraft] Winkeyer - K2 ... weighting equality

[Steve Jackson]

The internal keyer in my K2 seems to have a different 'weighting' (or 
something) compared to my new K1EL Winkeyer.

I have been playing with the settings on the latter to try and make these two 
devices 'sound' the same.  

Frankly, after 8+ years, I've grown to like the K2's rhythm in this sense, but 
don't really care much for the UI of the built-in keyer when operating 'fixed.' 
 And, I needed PC control from several applications, anyway.  So I'm converting 
to the external gizmo.

So far, the subtleties of the set-up have eluded me.  Anyone else do this yet, 
successfully?  Or am I just being very, um, picky?






  

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Re: [Elecraft] Winkeyer - K2 ... weighting equality

[Jack Brindle]

This is an interesting thread. I've gone the other way. I used a  
WB4VVF Accu-Keyer for a long time. After an overly-long layoff from  
HF, I started using the K2's keyer when I got my K2 (or at least  
tried). I just could not get used to the timing of the built-in  
keyer, finally deciding that my paddle was defective. When the YF  
(KB4TGE) gave me a K1EL USB keyer for Christmas last year things  
changed. The K1EL keyer feels right, and has rejuvenated my use of CW.


As you guys note, it is whatever you are used to...


On Jan 5, 2008, at 12:41 PM, John Huffman wrote:


Steve -

Only had my Winkey for 2 days, but am after the same goal.  I'll  
use the Winkey for both my K2 and my Ten Tec Omni VI (until my K3  
arrives in April).


I've gotten close by making the ratio 45 and the weight 60.  I  
messed with Sample, but ended up leaving it at 50.  I can tell when  
the timing is off what I'm used to, when 'R' or 'K' don't complete  
the last element and come out as 'A' and 'N'.


You might give that a try and let me know off list how it works for  
you.  If we work together we should improve our odds  :-)


73 de K1ESE
John

Steve Jackson wrote:
The internal keyer in my K2 seems to have a different  
'weighting' (or something) compared to my new K1EL Winkeyer.
I have been playing with the settings on the latter to try and  
make these two devices 'sound' the same.  Frankly, after 8+ years,  
I've grown to like the K2's rhythm in this sense, but don't really  
care much for the UI of the built-in keyer when operating  
'fixed.'  And, I needed PC control from several applications,  
anyway.  So I'm converting to the external gizmo.
So far, the subtleties of the set-up have eluded me.  Anyone else  
do this yet, successfully?  Or am I just being very, um, picky?
   
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Re: [Elecraft] Winkeyer - K2 ... weighting equality

[John Huffman]

Steve -

Only had my Winkey for 2 days, but am after the same goal.  I'll use the 
Winkey for both my K2 and my Ten Tec Omni VI (until my K3 arrives in April).


I've gotten close by making the ratio 45 and the weight 60.  I messed 
with Sample, but ended up leaving it at 50.  I can tell when the timing 
is off what I'm used to, when 'R' or 'K' don't complete the last element 
and come out as 'A' and 'N'.


You might give that a try and let me know off list how it works for you. 
 If we work together we should improve our odds  :-)


73 de K1ESE
John

Steve Jackson wrote:

The internal keyer in my K2 seems to have a different 'weighting' (or 
something) compared to my new K1EL Winkeyer.

I have been playing with the settings on the latter to try and make these two devices 'sound' the same.  


Frankly, after 8+ years, I've grown to like the K2's rhythm in this sense, but 
don't really care much for the UI of the built-in keyer when operating 'fixed.' 
 And, I needed PC control from several applications, anyway.  So I'm converting 
to the external gizmo.

So far, the subtleties of the set-up have eluded me.  Anyone else do this yet, 
successfully?  Or am I just being very, um, picky?






  

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Re: [Elecraft] Winkeyer - K2 ... weighting equality

[Mike Harris]

Hi,

Interesting this.

I struggled for ages with trying to use mHAM CW Keyer (iambic B) until I 
dropped the paddle setpoint setting to 35.  After that it is almost the 
same as the K2 keyer.  Now when using the PC for contest logging I can 
drop to the paddles without making a total hash of what I'm trying to 
send.  I only use the mHAM a couple of times a year.

It will be interesting to see how the K2 and K3 internal keyers compare. 
The two CW instrument ports on the K3 could be the solution.

Regards,

Mike VP8NO


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Subject: [Elecraft] Winkeyer - K2 ... weighting equality


| The internal keyer in my K2 seems to have a different 'weighting' (or 
something) compared to my new K1EL Winkeyer.
|
| I have been playing with the settings on the latter to try and make 
these two devices 'sound' the same.
|
| Frankly, after 8+ years, I've grown to like the K2's rhythm in this 
sense, but don't really care much for the UI of the built-in keyer when 
operating 'fixed.'  And, I needed PC control from several applications, 
anyway.  So I'm converting to the external gizmo.
|
| So far, the subtleties of the set-up have eluded me.  Anyone else do 
this yet, successfully?  Or am I just being very, um, picky?

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Re: [Elecraft] Winkeyer - K2 ... weighting equality

[John Huffman]

Mike -

I'm using the standalone model.  Is paddle setpoint the same as 'Sample' 
in the WK2Mgr program?


73 de K1ESE
John

Mike Harris wrote:

Hi,

Interesting this.

I struggled for ages with trying to use mHAM CW Keyer (iambic B) until I 
dropped the paddle setpoint setting to 35.  After that it is almost the 
same as the K2 keyer.  Now when using the PC for contest logging I can 
drop to the paddles without making a total hash of what I'm trying to 
send.  I only use the mHAM a couple of times a year.


It will be interesting to see how the K2 and K3 internal keyers compare. 
The two CW instrument ports on the K3 could be the solution.


Regards,

Mike VP8NO


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From: Steve Jackson [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 4:27 PM
Subject: [Elecraft] Winkeyer - K2 ... weighting equality


| The internal keyer in my K2 seems to have a different 'weighting' (or 
something) compared to my new K1EL Winkeyer.

|
| I have been playing with the settings on the latter to try and make 
these two devices 'sound' the same.

|
| Frankly, after 8+ years, I've grown to like the K2's rhythm in this 
sense, but don't really care much for the UI of the built-in keyer when 
operating 'fixed.'  And, I needed PC control from several applications, 
anyway.  So I'm converting to the external gizmo.

|
| So far, the subtleties of the set-up have eluded me.  Anyone else do 
this yet, successfully?  Or am I just being very, um, picky?


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[Elecraft] Winkeyer sounds soo different than K2

[Andreas Hofmann]

Hi,

I miss the sound of my K2 built in keyer now after setting up winkeyer (as part 
of microKeyer II).  I am sure others have played with the settings and come up 
with some adjustments to make it sound more original again. Anyone would like 
to share them?

Thanks and 73,
Andy, KU7T
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Re: [Elecraft] Winkeyer sounds soo different than K2

[Jack Brindle]

This is an easy fix. Turn off the Winkeyer sidetone and turn on the K2  
sidetone. You still have to feed the Winkeyer into the K2's key jack,  
and you are still using the K2's keyer, although only in handkey mode.  
The K2 sidetone still works, so just use it.



On Nov 13, 2007, at 8:35 AM, Andreas Hofmann wrote:


Hi,

I miss the sound of my K2 built in keyer now after setting up  
winkeyer (as part of microKeyer II).  I am sure others have played  
with the settings and come up with some adjustments to make it sound  
more original again. Anyone would like to share them?


Thanks and 73,
Andy, KU7T
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RE: [Elecraft] Winkeyer sounds soo different than K2

[Andreas Hofmann]

Let me clarify. The CW I am complaining is the K2 sidetone. The 
Winkeyer(microKeyerII) does not have a sidetone; it is fed to the K2 key jack 
and the K2 is configured to Hand. The timing is just way off. The dits are 
really short, but playing with the parameters has not changed much.

Just wondering if others use it this way and what parameters they are using...

Andreas



-Original Message-
From: Jack Brindle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 12:05 PM
To: Andreas Hofmann
Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Winkeyer sounds soo different than K2

This is an easy fix. Turn off the Winkeyer sidetone and turn on the K2
sidetone. You still have to feed the Winkeyer into the K2's key jack,
and you are still using the K2's keyer, although only in handkey mode.
The K2 sidetone still works, so just use it.


On Nov 13, 2007, at 8:35 AM, Andreas Hofmann wrote:

 Hi,

 I miss the sound of my K2 built in keyer now after setting up
 winkeyer (as part of microKeyer II).  I am sure others have played
 with the settings and come up with some adjustments to make it sound
 more original again. Anyone would like to share them?

 Thanks and 73,
 Andy, KU7T
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RE: [Elecraft] Winkeyer sounds soo different than K2

[Greg - AB7R]

Have you experimented with the settings on the Winkey tab in Router?

I'll send you some screen shots of how I am set up with the MK2R+.  The MKII 
Winkey should be the 
same, or close to it.  I'll send them this evening.

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73,
Greg - AB7R
Whidbey Island WA
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K3#0009

On Tue Nov 13 15:33 , Andreas Hofmann  sent:

Let me clarify. The CW I am complaining is the K2 sidetone. The 
Winkeyer(microKeyerII) does not 
have a sidetone; it is fed to the K2 key jack and the K2 is configured to Hand. 
The timing is just 
way off. The dits are really short, but playing with the parameters has not 
changed much.

Just wondering if others use it this way and what parameters they are using...

Andreas



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From: Jack Brindle [EMAIL PROTECTED]','','','')[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 12:05 PM
To: Andreas Hofmann
Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Winkeyer sounds soo different than K2

This is an easy fix. Turn off the Winkeyer sidetone and turn on the K2
sidetone. You still have to feed the Winkeyer into the K2's key jack,
and you are still using the K2's keyer, although only in handkey mode.
The K2 sidetone still works, so just use it.


On Nov 13, 2007, at 8:35 AM, Andreas Hofmann wrote:

 Hi,

 I miss the sound of my K2 built in keyer now after setting up
 winkeyer (as part of microKeyer II).  I am sure others have played
 with the settings and come up with some adjustments to make it sound
 more original again. Anyone would like to share them?

 Thanks and 73,
 Andy, KU7T
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RE: [Elecraft] Winkeyer sounds soo different than K2

[Craig Rairdin]

 Let me clarify. The CW I am complaining is the K2 sidetone. 
 The Winkeyer(microKeyerII) does not have a sidetone; it is 
 fed to the K2 key jack and the K2 is configured to Hand. 
 The timing is just way off. The dits are really short, but 
 playing with the parameters has not changed much.

I have the microHam microKeyer and haven't changed any parameters and it's
all but indistinguishable from the K2. The elements of the characters might
be a little shorter or the timing may be slightly different but I just don't
notice it at all.

I have my logging program (WriteLog) talk to the microKeyer as a WinKey
device. I think WriteLog sends ASCII to the microKeyer, so I don't think
there's any timing issues caused by WriteLog. I also have a PS/2 keyboard
plugged into the microKeyer and it sounds the same as sending from WriteLog.

Are you using a paddle or driving it from software? If the latter, make sure
the software isn't generating its own key presses but instead is configured
to use WinKey.

Craig
NZ0R

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RE: [Elecraft] Winkeyer sounds soo different than K2

[Greg - AB7R]

Andreas,

Take a look at this WinKey document.  It may help.  In the meantime, experiment 
in small steps with 
the keying compensation and weighting.  If running QSK, you can also try the 
1st element extension.

If you're running a logging program like WriteLog or N1MM, they have their own 
WinKey setup screens 
that take over for the settings in Router.  To see this,  open the program and 
make sure CW keying 
is selected for WinKey.  Then open Router, you will see all the settings are 
grayed out.  That's 
because Winkey is now being controlled by the logging program.

-
73,
Greg - AB7R
Whidbey Island WA
NA-065
K3#0009

On Tue Nov 13 15:33 , Andreas Hofmann  sent:

Let me clarify. The CW I am complaining is the K2 sidetone. The 
Winkeyer(microKeyerII) does not 
have a sidetone; it is fed to the K2 key jack and the K2 is configured to Hand. 
The timing is just 
way off. The dits are really short, but playing with the parameters has not 
changed much.

Just wondering if others use it this way and what parameters they are using...

Andreas



-Original Message-
From: Jack Brindle [EMAIL PROTECTED]','','','')[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 12:05 PM
To: Andreas Hofmann
Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Winkeyer sounds soo different than K2

This is an easy fix. Turn off the Winkeyer sidetone and turn on the K2
sidetone. You still have to feed the Winkeyer into the K2's key jack,
and you are still using the K2's keyer, although only in handkey mode.
The K2 sidetone still works, so just use it.


On Nov 13, 2007, at 8:35 AM, Andreas Hofmann wrote:

 Hi,

 I miss the sound of my K2 built in keyer now after setting up
 winkeyer (as part of microKeyer II).  I am sure others have played
 with the settings and come up with some adjustments to make it sound
 more original again. Anyone would like to share them?

 Thanks and 73,
 Andy, KU7T
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RE: [Elecraft] Winkeyer sounds soo different than K2

[Greg - AB7R]

Sorry, forgot the link to the document.  :)

http://k1el.tripod.com/WinkeyUSBman.pdf

-
73,
Greg - AB7R
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On Tue Nov 13 15:33 , Andreas Hofmann  sent:

Let me clarify. The CW I am complaining is the K2 sidetone. The 
Winkeyer(microKeyerII) does not 
have a sidetone; it is fed to the K2 key jack and the K2 is configured to Hand. 
The timing is just 
way off. The dits are really short, but playing with the parameters has not 
changed much.

Just wondering if others use it this way and what parameters they are using...

Andreas



-Original Message-
From: Jack Brindle [EMAIL PROTECTED]','','','')[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 12:05 PM
To: Andreas Hofmann
Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Winkeyer sounds soo different than K2

This is an easy fix. Turn off the Winkeyer sidetone and turn on the K2
sidetone. You still have to feed the Winkeyer into the K2's key jack,
and you are still using the K2's keyer, although only in handkey mode.
The K2 sidetone still works, so just use it.


On Nov 13, 2007, at 8:35 AM, Andreas Hofmann wrote:

 Hi,

 I miss the sound of my K2 built in keyer now after setting up
 winkeyer (as part of microKeyer II).  I am sure others have played
 with the settings and come up with some adjustments to make it sound
 more original again. Anyone would like to share them?

 Thanks and 73,
 Andy, KU7T
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[Elecraft] Winkeyer sounds soo different than K2

[Andreas Hofmann]

Hi,

I miss the sound of my K2 built in keyer now after setting up winkeyer (as part 
of microKeyer II).  I am sure others have played with the settings and come up 
with some adjustments to make it sound more original again. Anyone would like 
to share?

Thanks and 73,
Andy, KU7T
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