Re: [Elecraft] K3-Latest K3 Review on EHAM
What also doesn't get much weight, at least for me, are the bad eHam reviews that are themselves bad. They often show the reviewer has poor command of such things as, say, the english language, his keyboard (love those all caps reviews!), his emotions, etc. Far too many of these: It dosent' werk! I hate cmpany X. Dont by there stuff! [sic, sic, sic, sic and sic] I PLUGGED IT IN W/O READING MANUAL--IT BLOWED UP! THEY SUX!! [sic, etc.] Sometimes I'm embarrassed to admit I'm a ham... On the other hand, the well-written, balanced, but negative reviews are so very useful--when they can be found. They are often in very short supply. I don't mean that the reviewer be capable of writing the next great novel, but for a hobby that prides itself on being a group of communicators, more than a few seem to be incapable of communicating at a basic level. 73, Dave K7DAA http://www.k7daa.com On Feb 26, 2008, at 6:22 AM, Joseph M. Durnal wrote: When it comes to reviews, I tend to focus on the bad ones as the good ones could simply represent someones feeling that they spent plenty of money on something, it must be good. When it comes to ham gear, a bad review without a call sign doesn't get much weight. I suppose the reviewer in this case could have made up for it by giving the serial number of his K3, but that wasn't included either. I don't think it is a true review. Of course, my K3 has been ordered, my review will follow after I feel I know the radio, it could be a few weeks, or it could be a few months, I won't know until I know. 73 de Joseph Durnal NE3R On Sun, Feb 24, 2008 at 3:29 AM, Bob DeHaney [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The reviewer (Solardx, no call sign) gives a very bad transmitter (SSB) review. He claims lots of splatter and ineffective speech processing as well as high IMD products. I have yet to hear a K3 but no one else has noticed such problems? Vy 73, Bob WU5T/DJ0MBC ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3-Latest K3 Review on EHAM
I should quit now, but I just realized that a bad review is a good thing in one respect, it shows that if you get a bad radio, you're not alone. There's probably TWO out there. :) Honestly, I doubt all the radios are working at the time they're received, but if you listen to some of the goings on here you'd think that a bad radio means it's all your fault and you might as well find a new hobby. The good thing is that Elecraft (and Don, and Tom, and please excuse me if I forgot your name here) will help you fix things. If we could only focus on that. On Tue, 26 Feb 2008, Joseph M. Durnal wrote: When it comes to reviews, I tend to focus on the bad ones as the good ones could simply represent someones feeling that they spent plenty of money on something, it must be good. When it comes to ham gear, a bad review without a call sign doesn't get much weight. I suppose the reviewer in this case could have made up for it by giving the serial number of his K3, but that wasn't included either. I don't think it is a true review. Of course, my K3 has been ordered, my review will follow after I feel I know the radio, it could be a few weeks, or it could be a few months, I won't know until I know. 73 de Joseph Durnal NE3R On Sun, Feb 24, 2008 at 3:29 AM, Bob DeHaney [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The reviewer (Solardx, no call sign) gives a very bad transmitter (SSB) review. He claims lots of splatter and ineffective speech processing as well as high IMD products. I have yet to hear a K3 but no one else has noticed such problems? Vy 73, Bob WU5T/DJ0MBC -- Hisashi T Fujinaka - [EMAIL PROTECTED] BSEE(6/86) + BSChem(3/95) + BAEnglish(8/95) + MSCS(8/03) + $2.50 = latte ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3-Latest K3 Review on EHAM
When it comes to reviews, I tend to focus on the bad ones as the good ones could simply represent someones feeling that they spent plenty of money on something, it must be good. When it comes to ham gear, a bad review without a call sign doesn't get much weight. I suppose the reviewer in this case could have made up for it by giving the serial number of his K3, but that wasn't included either. I don't think it is a true review. Of course, my K3 has been ordered, my review will follow after I feel I know the radio, it could be a few weeks, or it could be a few months, I won't know until I know. 73 de Joseph Durnal NE3R On Sun, Feb 24, 2008 at 3:29 AM, Bob DeHaney [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The reviewer (Solardx, no call sign) gives a very bad transmitter (SSB) review. He claims lots of splatter and ineffective speech processing as well as high IMD products. I have yet to hear a K3 but no one else has noticed such problems? Vy 73, Bob WU5T/DJ0MBC ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
RE: [Elecraft] K3-Latest K3 Review on EHAM
At 03:29:43 EST on Sun 24 Feb 2008 Bob DeHaney (WU5T/DJ0MBC) wrote ... The reviewer (Solardx, no call sign) gives a very bad transmitter (SSB) review. He claims lots of splatter and ineffective speech processing as well as high IMD products. I have yet to hear a K3 but no one else has noticed such problems? -- Since the IMD products only occur over 10 W he did mention that his PA might be defective, but he didn't mention any attempt to verify whether or not it was or to swap it out via a replacement. I'm certain Elecraft would be very interested in having a look at it. 73, Gary KI4GGX ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3-Latest K3 Review on EHAM
Bob DeHaney wrote: The reviewer (Solardx, no call sign) gives a very bad transmitter (SSB) review. He claims lots of splatter and ineffective speech processing as well as high IMD products. I have yet to hear a K3 but no one else has noticed such problems? I am always suspicious of anonymous reviews. I have no such problems with my K3, it works as expected. I am still not convinced by the tx 'punch' discussion either. I will fully agree that the tx audio never sounds processed. Personally I do not want this. I am simply not convinced that the audio should sound this way. To me, the audio should be clean and as free of distortion products as possible. Just listen to VP6DX and you will hear what I mean. Their audio has been superb even at low signal levels, always readable and simply 'out there'. What more does one need? Would the owner of that pseudonym on eHam care to share his views on this list? 73 Ian -- Ian J Maude, G0VGS SysOp GB7MBC DX Cluster Member RSGB, GQRP K2 #4044 |K3 #455 ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3-Latest K3 Review on EHAM
I think he's getting RF into his installation, maybe through the power cabling? I wonder whether his is driving an after-burner? I do not suspect a malicious posting - even with the best will in the world things can go wrong. Simon Brown, HB9DRV -- From: Ian J Maude [EMAIL PROTECTED] I am always suspicious of anonymous reviews. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
RE: [Elecraft] K3-Latest K3 Review on EHAM
I believe the closest English proverb would be Trust but verify. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of paolo.gramigna Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2008 12:55 AM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: R: [Elecraft] K3-Latest K3 Review on EHAM Hi all, We have a proverb in Italy: To suspect of someone is a sin, but usually there is substance in it. (I'll be glad to hear the corresponding English proverb, if existing). By sheer chance, that review will ruin the 5 over 5 record previously held by K3. By sheer chance, the reviewer does not sign with a call sign, and does not submit his name and address in his Eham profile. To me it looks like an alien, or MAYBE a close relative to some other Ham Radio related Brand. It looks like an unsigned letter to me; and the folks at Eham should not allow anonymous posting, at least on my opinion. Paolo Gramigna, IK4YNG and formerly I4GGP from Italy. My address is on QRZ.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3-Latest K3 Review on EHAM
Hi Bob, I have yet to hear a K3 but no one else has noticed such problems? A small yes and a big no. Several BCC members (DD5FZ, DL6RAI, DK4YJ, DG7RO usw.) feel that the speech processor is not as effective as it could be and that for contesting the modulation is too nice and needs more punch. Apart from this minor gripe (I just got home from CQWW 160m SSB) K3 #67 does very very well indeed in SSB, TX as well as RX. See: http://www.bavarian-contest-club.de/projects/K3.pdf or http://www.bavarian-contest-club.de/projects/K3_english.pdf happy_dance We worked VP6DX on 160m in SSB after our local sunrise... /happy_dance vy 73 de toby -- DD5FZ (ex 4n6fz, dj7mgq, dg5mgq, dd5fz) K2/10 #885 K2/100 #3248 K3/100 #67 DOK C12, BCC, DL-QRP-AG, JN58td ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3-Latest K3 Review on EHAM
For a new rig to be so bad, he will presumably want it repaired. My first thought would be to email Elecraft not Eham. David G3UNA The reviewer (Solardx, no call sign) gives a very bad transmitter (SSB) review. He claims lots of splatter and ineffective speech processing as well as high IMD products. I have yet to hear a K3 but no one else has noticed such problems? Vy 73, Bob WU5T/DJ0MBC ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3-Latest K3 Review on EHAM
Simon Brown (HB9DRV) wrote: I think he's getting RF into his installation, maybe through the power cabling? I wonder whether his is driving an after-burner? I do not suspect a malicious posting - even with the best will in the world things can go wrong. My first thought is RF feedback via the KXV3's RX ANT port. There is a known isolation problem with it which I believe has been fixed in production units, but I'm uncertain about the exact transition point in serial numbers. I agree with Simon that his posting does not appear to be malicious but simply to highlight some problem areas, some of which may be valid and some not. I believe many agree that the K3 speech processor could be more effective and am sure Elecraft will address this eventually. As for the TX IMD issues, I would wait to see what ARRL and others measure...I'm very suspicious about the RX ANT issue. 73, Bill W4ZV P.S. Toby it's amazing you worked VP6DX on 160 SSB...in the contest QRM no less! -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/K3-Latest-K3-Review-on-EHAM-tp15661902p15663970.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3-Latest K3 Review on EHAM
Eham reviews are a great idea ,But the problem is folks are posting reviews that either just got the product ,and as I have seen in one product a few months ago did not even own the product they were commenting on.I think the reviews would be worth alot more on Eham if people actually waiting 6 months plus *BEFORE* posting a review on ANY product ,this includes reviewing the K3. I love my K3 as much as the rest of you that have received yours already and will add comments at some point on eham,but it will be mid summer at the earliest , Just my 2 cents worth! 73 Gary W4GNS I am always suspicious of anonymous reviews. I have no such problems with my K3, it works as expected. I am still not convinced by the tx 'punch' discussion either. I will fully agree that the tx audio never sounds processed. Personally I do not want this. I am simply not convinced that the audio should sound this way. To me, the audio should ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3-Latest K3 Review on EHAM
Gary Scott-4 wrote: Eham reviews are a great idea ,But the problem is folks are posting reviews that either just got the product ,and as I have seen in one product a few months ago did not even own the product they were commenting on.I think the reviews would be worth alot more on Eham if people actually waiting 6 months plus *BEFORE* posting a review on ANY product ,this includes reviewing the K3. I love my K3 as much as the rest of you that have received yours already and will add comments at some point on eham,but it will be mid summer at the earliest , Just my 2 cents worth! 73 Gary W4GNS I would also hope folks have enough common sense to first check with Elecraft or this list before posting problems on eHam. If I had written a review when I first got my unit there would have been several issues. Instead I contacted Elecraft and they were promptly resolved...two of them resulting in nearly instantaneous production changes. 73, Bill W4ZV -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/K3-Latest-K3-Review-on-EHAM-tp15661902p15664420.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
RE: [Elecraft] K3-Latest K3 Review on EHAM
At 08:56:21 EST on Sun 24 Feb 2008 Paul Ferguson (K5ESW) wrote ... ... Surely there are others out there with a K3 and the equipment necessary to repeat his tests. The outcome of the tests will determine if Solardx's results are typical. I await the results while I wait for my K3 (wave 3). -- Paul, Don't hold your breath! FYI, I work at an aerospace manufacturing facility and we can't even duplicate EMI tests for which we have detailed test descriptions. It would be next impossible to configure a setup like his, even if we had a detailed description of its configuration. The fact that we don't have any description ensures that it won't happen! That said, other K3 owners could attempt to duplicate what he did and report back with a detailed description of their test setup (including filter settings and options) and their results. BTW, personally I don't like the idea of transmitting into another rig. 73, Gary KI4GGX ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3-Latest K3 Review on EHAM
The problem with eHam reviews is not the reviews themselves, but that folks get too caught up in caring about other people's mostly subject impressions/opinions. Remember: Everyone's entitled to an opinion, but that doesn't mean that everyone's opinion should be given equal weight. Now, back to assembling my K3. Anyone else have clearance problems with the KBPF3 standoff, and the torroid? 73, Steve NN4X On Sun, Feb 24, 2008 at 10:45 AM, Gary Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Eham reviews are a great idea ,But the problem is folks are posting reviews that either just got the product ,and as I have seen in one product a few months ago did not even own the product they were commenting on.I think the reviews would be worth alot more on Eham if people actually waiting 6 months plus *BEFORE* posting a review on ANY product ,this includes reviewing the K3. I love my K3 as much as the rest of you that have received yours already and will add comments at some point on eham,but it will be mid summer at the earliest , Just my 2 cents worth! 73 Gary W4GNS I am always suspicious of anonymous reviews. I have no such problems with my K3, it works as expected. I am still not convinced by the tx 'punch' discussion either. I will fully agree that the tx audio never sounds processed. Personally I do not want this. I am simply not convinced that the audio should sound this way. To me, the audio should ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3-Latest K3 Review on EHAM
The reviewer (Solardx) gives the results of a test he ran on his K3. Surely there are others out there with a K3 and the equipment necessary to repeat his tests. The outcome of the tests will determine if Solardx's results are typical. I await the results while I wait for my K3 (wave 3). 73, Paul K5ESW ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3-Latest K3 Review on EHAM
In a message dated 2/24/08 8:57:10 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The reviewer (Solardx) gives the results of a test he ran on his K3. With all due respect We don't know if the reviewer has a problem K3 or a problem test setup. For that matter, we don't know if the reviewer even has a K3! IMHO, 99%+ of eham.net reviews are not reviews at all, (in the sense of objectice reports) but are really just personal opinions. In some cases they are based on very little experience with the rig, too. Anybody with internet access can write an eham review on anything. I could go on eham and say the IC-7800 is ten times better than the K3 - even though I've never seen nor used either rig! Solardx is completely anonymous - no call, no name, no K3 serial number. Yet his rating affects the score as much as somebody who's got one of the first ones and has many hours of experience testing and using it, and who signs his name to his words. 73 de Jim, N2EY ** Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/2050827?NCID=aolcmp0030002598) ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3-Latest K3 Review on EHAM
On Sun, 24 Feb 2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 2/24/08 8:57:10 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The reviewer (Solardx) gives the results of a test he ran on his K3. Solardx is completely anonymous - no call, no name, no K3 serial number. Yet his rating affects the score as much as somebody who's got one of the first ones and has many hours of experience testing and using it, and who signs his name to his words. It was me, I was hoping to clear out the queue before I ordered mine. (I'm KIDDING.) -- Hisashi T Fujinaka - [EMAIL PROTECTED] BSEE(6/86) + BSChem(3/95) + BAEnglish(8/95) + MSCS(8/03) + $2.50 = latte ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3-Latest K3 Review on EHAM
My goodness - this is absolutely terrible. Someone posts an honest review of their experience and loads of people attack them for criticising their baby by not giving it full marks? I really expected more of the Elecraft community. Perhaps the transmitter is faulty - it is entirely possible the PA bias has failed or there is a problem with the driver, in the alignment or elsewhere. Perhaps solardx really has a point. Whatever, their experience is still just as valid as anyone elses. I am really concerned now that all the good reviews of the K3 might not be as honest and unbiased as I thought. Mike -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/K3-Latest-K3-Review-on-EHAM-tp15661902p15667553.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
RE: [Elecraft] K3-Latest K3 Review on EHAM
Steve, If the torroid is rubbing against the standoff and you cannot gently adjust the torroid so that it is not touching, place a piece of heatshring tubing over the standoff. Touching is not a problem provided there is no wearing of the enamal on the torroid. Putting the heatshring over the standoff will avoid any problem even if the enamal is worn. 73 Greg AB7R -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of S Sacco Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2008 6:23 AM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3-Latest K3 Review on EHAM The problem with eHam reviews is not the reviews themselves, but that folks get too caught up in caring about other people's mostly subject impressions/opinions. Remember: Everyone's entitled to an opinion, but that doesn't mean that everyone's opinion should be given equal weight. Now, back to assembling my K3. Anyone else have clearance problems with the KBPF3 standoff, and the torroid? 73, Steve NN4X On Sun, Feb 24, 2008 at 10:45 AM, Gary Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Eham reviews are a great idea ,But the problem is folks are posting reviews that either just got the product ,and as I have seen in one product a few months ago did not even own the product they were commenting on.I think the reviews would be worth alot more on Eham if people actually waiting 6 months plus *BEFORE* posting a review on ANY product ,this includes reviewing the K3. I love my K3 as much as the rest of you that have received yours already and will add comments at some point on eham,but it will be mid summer at the earliest , Just my 2 cents worth! 73 Gary W4GNS I am always suspicious of anonymous reviews. I have no such problems with my K3, it works as expected. I am still not convinced by the tx 'punch' discussion either. I will fully agree that the tx audio never sounds processed. Personally I do not want this. I am simply not convinced that the audio should sound this way. To me, the audio should ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3-Latest K3 Review on EHAM
Hi Mike, I agree with you that, from his prospective, Solardx feels like he has posted an honest review. However, I further feel that without any feedback to Elecraft, to allow them to participate with Solardx, to confirm that he has a defective unit, is a rush to judgment and a premature post to eHam. In his review, Solardx states (and I quote) I might have a faulty unit and I am not really sure. At that point I would expect Solardx to contact Elecraft and turn over the problem for them to resolve. This would have provided Elecraft engineering with valuable information and would also remove the burden from Solardx to eventually get his K3 transmit problem fixed. A premature post on eHam will not bring the quickest response from Elecraft. However, an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] will. I know this to be true because of a problem I had with my K3/100 (SN312). When I finished assembly of my K3 I had no receive audio from the built-in speaker and I also had no Line Out audio either. All other modes and functions on the K3 worked fine. I emailed Elecraft support, at the link above, and got a quick response from Gary Surrency. I described my problem and it was though that I had a faulty KIO3 assembly. I requested the replacement and Scott King sent a new KIO3 assembly immediately. Unfortunately, the new KIO3 did not fix my problem. I updated Gary and he arranged for me to receive an RSA # and I returned the unit to Elecraft for their inspection. Once the unit arrived at Elecraft I received an email from Rene Morris. He did preliminary tests and then called me on the telephone to discuss his findings and to ensure that once they returned my K3 that everything was going to be 100% operational. He replaced the DSP board and the unit will be given a full factory alignment. I should receive the repaired radio back by the middle of this week. The point is that unless you bring a failure, or suspected failure, to the attention of Elecraft then all you're doing is making yourself frustrated. Making frustrated eHam posts is not really helping to FIX the problem. Given the fantastic response I experienced from Elecraft Support there is no excuse to not call upon them to take the lead and provide the final solution to your problem. Weather it's a simple repair or a change to the design/firmware, give Elecraft a chance to participate! Given the fact that Solardx admitted: I might have a faulty unit and I am not really sure, tells me he made a frustrated, disappointed, premature eHam post. Best 73, Frank - W6NEK - Original Message - From: AD6XY - Mike [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2008 10:38 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3-Latest K3 Review on EHAM My goodness - this is absolutely terrible. Someone posts an honest review of their experience and loads of people attack them for criticising their baby by not giving it full marks? I really expected more of the Elecraft community. Perhaps the transmitter is faulty - it is entirely possible the PA bias has failed or there is a problem with the driver, in the alignment or elsewhere. Perhaps solardx really has a point. Whatever, their experience is still just as valid as anyone elses. I am really concerned now that all the good reviews of the K3 might not be as honest and unbiased as I thought. Mike ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3-Latest K3 Review on EHAM
I have no doubt that Elecraft will make-right anything that is wrong with hardware they delivered whether to Solardx or any other owner. The important point, assuming the failure info is right, is that either a unit got thru final test that shouldn't have, or a unit failed in transit. Yeah, he/she needs to work it out with Elecraft, but this is an indication of what might be a procedural smoking gun. Once the problem is resolved, and I have no doubt it will be, it would sure be nice to hear a follow-up. Bruce, NM5B Santa Fe, NM Hi Mike, I agree with you that, from his prospective, Solardx feels like he has posted an honest review. However, I further feel that without any feedback to Elecraft, to allow them to participate with Solardx, to confirm that he has a defective unit, is a rush to judgment and a premature post to eHam... ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
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as far as audio crunch I agree the current iteration is not as penetrating as a good RF clipper could give it albeit it IS distortion but deem favorable by many. KEY WORK : CURRENT. Hard to believe that solardx contributes to Eham , yet is not on the reflector. Perhaps by another moniker ?? Perhaps someone should find him and invite him aboard. bill ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3-Latest K3 Review on EHAM
Watch out Don... he might just take you up on your offer! 73, Tom N0SS At 13:26 02/24/2008, Don Rasmussen wrote: Hisashi - you can have my K3. Now that it no longer has a perfect score on eHAM, the joy of ownership has been tarnished forever for me. Would you like me to retrieve it from the recycling bin and send it to you? It was new 4 weeks ago and works perfectly except for the flaw exposed by the anonymous poster. Your address please. I will pay postage - okay?? Please don't change your mind now, everyone has seen your post, you must take it. de wb8yqj... ;-) [Elecraft] K3-Latest K3 Review on EHAM Hisashi T Fujinaka htodd at twofifty.com Sun Feb 24 13:26:25 EST 2008 Previous message: [Elecraft] K3-Latest K3 Review on EHAM Next message: [Elecraft] VP6DX with K2 Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] On Sun, 24 Feb 2008, N2EY at aol.com wrote: In a message dated 2/24/08 8:57:10 AM Eastern Standard Time, Paul at PaulFerguson.us writes: The reviewer (Solardx) gives the results of a test he ran on his K3. Solardx is completely anonymous - no call, no name, no K3 serial number. Yet his rating affects the score as much as somebody who's got one of the first ones and has many hours of experience testing and using it, and who signs his name to his words. It was me, I was hoping to clear out the queue before I ordered mine. (I'm KIDDING.) -- Hisashi T Fujinaka - htodd at twofifty.com BSEE(6/86) + BSChem(3/95) + BAEnglish(8/95) + MSCS(8/03) + $2.50 = latte ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3-Latest K3 Review on EHAM
In a message dated 2/24/08 1:40:27 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Someone posts an honest review of their experience and loads of people attack them for criticising their baby by not giving it full marks? No. The criticism is that someone is posting an anonymous review saying the K3 SSB transmit audio is terrible *without* giving the company a chance to solve the problem. A company which has a hard-earned and well-deserved reputation for service, service, and more service. That is, if there even really is a problem - since the reviewer is anonymous, we don't know for sure if the review is for-real or not. *Anybody* can post a review on eham even if they've never even seen the rig they're reviewing. Perhaps the transmitter is faulty - it is entirely possible the PA bias has failed or there is a problem with the driver, in the alignment or elsewhere. Of course that's possible. Perhaps the rig was damaged in shipping, or, if a kit, assembled improperly. Or perhaps there's something wrong with the test setup, and nothing wrong with the K3. Perhaps solardx really has a point. Perhaps - but why not contact the company and try to fix it? Whatever, their experience is still just as valid as anyone elses. If, indeed, it's a real experience. We don't know for sure if solardx has ever been near a K3. 73 de Jim, N2EY ** Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/2050827?NCID=aolcmp0030002598) ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3-Latest K3 Review on EHAM
Funny isn't it. I suggest that we should not put down people who don't like what we do and I become attacked myself by many Emails. -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/K3-Latest-K3-Review-on-EHAM-tp15661902p15669831.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3-Latest K3 Review on EHAM
We are a opening a sanctuary for unwanted and unloved K3s... Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled K3s... vy 73 de toby Tom Hammond wrote: Watch out Don... he might just take you up on your offer! 73, Tom N0SS At 13:26 02/24/2008, Don Rasmussen wrote: Hisashi - you can have my K3. Now that it no longer has a perfect score on eHAM, the joy of ownership has been tarnished forever for me. Would you like me to retrieve it from the recycling bin and send it to you? It was new 4 weeks ago and works perfectly except for the flaw exposed by the anonymous poster. Your address please. I will pay postage - okay?? Please don't change your mind now, everyone has seen your post, you must take it. de wb8yqj... ;-) [Elecraft] K3-Latest K3 Review on EHAM Hisashi T Fujinaka htodd at twofifty.com Sun Feb 24 13:26:25 EST 2008 Previous message: [Elecraft] K3-Latest K3 Review on EHAM Next message: [Elecraft] VP6DX with K2 Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] On Sun, 24 Feb 2008, N2EY at aol.com wrote: In a message dated 2/24/08 8:57:10 AM Eastern Standard Time, Paul at PaulFerguson.us writes: The reviewer (Solardx) gives the results of a test he ran on his K3. Solardx is completely anonymous - no call, no name, no K3 serial number. Yet his rating affects the score as much as somebody who's got one of the first ones and has many hours of experience testing and using it, and who signs his name to his words. It was me, I was hoping to clear out the queue before I ordered mine. (I'm KIDDING.) -- Hisashi T Fujinaka - htodd at twofifty.com BSEE(6/86) + BSChem(3/95) + BAEnglish(8/95) + MSCS(8/03) + $2.50 = latte ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3-Latest K3 Review on EHAM
The speech processor, mic gain and ALC circuits need some design attention. The transmitter in the K3 is very poor. The RF speech processor produces a lot of IMD on the signal. It's a raspy and nasty kind of product that bleeds from the transmit signal. What I was hearing was not pleasant. The K3 has the infamous ALC induced leading edge splatter/IMD problem. Even the older K2 is better in this area. If you test the K2 under same conditions at 5,10,15 and 20khz you get almost no IMD or splatter. As you reduce the power level on the K2 between 50 and 70 watts there is no detectable splatter with the speech processor set to 2:1 or 3:1 compression ratio. In contrast the moment you turn the K3's speech processor on you can hear leading edge splatter at 10,15 and 20khz. I might have a faulty unit and I am not really sure. == I think, that the SOLARDX is really not K3 user. And it IMD-problems are from another HAM-RIG - not K3. All these problems I read in opinion for other radio. 73! Alex de UR5LAM ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3-Latest K3 Review on EHAM
Hello, About a week ago, I asked the group what they thought about several bad comments on E-Ham about SSB on the K2. I received a bunch of great E-Mail telling me that it is probably an alignment problem. But, I also received several E-Mails bordering on hate mail. It was strange to read some of the responses I received. This rig almost has a cult type following by some of the true believers. I'm not saying there is anything wrong with really appreciating a quality radio with an unheard of support from the factory. That is why I'm sold on them. I know these rigs are the best money can buy, I operate a K1, in the process of building a K2 and have a K3 on order. With this kind of support I really hope Electraft does very well and continues to come out with products of this quality. Best, DW Holtman WB7SSN - Original Message - From: AD6XY - Mike [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2008 2:47 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3-Latest K3 Review on EHAM Funny isn't it. I suggest that we should not put down people who don't like what we do and I become attacked myself by many Emails. -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/K3-Latest-K3-Review-on-EHAM-tp15661902p15669831.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3-Latest K3 Review on EHAM
There are over 475 K3's sold and only 30 reviews on eHam. If this one bad review bothers you, write your own! Tom, AK2B -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/K3-Latest-K3-Review-on-EHAM-tp15661902p15671173.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3-Latest K3 Review on EHAM
Anyone who has spent anytime at all listening to the VP6DX operaton knows that solardx's eham review is either bogus or he happened to get a bad radio. I suspect he is an ICOM operative. Doug W6JD -- Original message -- From: Tom AK2B [EMAIL PROTECTED] There are over 475 K3's sold and only 30 reviews on eHam. If this one bad review bothers you, write your own! Tom, AK2B -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/K3-Latest-K3-Review-on-EHAM-tp15661902p15671173.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3-Latest K3 Review on EHAM
I was wondering when someone would bring that possibility up... It happens all the time. matt, W6NIA On Mon, 25 Feb 2008 00:19:32 +, you wrote: Anyone who has spent anytime at all listening to the VP6DX operaton knows that solardx's eham review is either bogus or he happened to get a bad radio. I suspect he is an ICOM operative. Doug W6JD -- Original message -- From: Tom AK2B [EMAIL PROTECTED] There are over 475 K3's sold and only 30 reviews on eHam. If this one bad review bothers you, write your own! Tom, AK2B -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/K3-Latest-K3-Review-on-EHAM-tp15661902p15671173.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
