Re: [Elecraft] K4 delivery status
Fred, What was the answer, please? Thanks, Gordon - N1MGO On 8/17/2021 18:01 PM, Fred Jensen wrote: OK, apologies for starting this thread. All I was looking for were answers to sort of related questions: If I were to order a K4 now, will it work into my K3-RRC1258 remote to the K3-RRC1258 at W7RN? A good friend answered directly. I have no more questions. Certainly did not want to stir up the Flex vs Elecraft pot. 73, Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW Sparks NV DM09dn Washoe County __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K4 delivery status
OK, apologies for starting this thread. All I was looking for were answers to sort of related questions: If I were to order a K4 now, will it work into my K3-RRC1258 remote to the K3-RRC1258 at W7RN? A good friend answered directly. I have no more questions. Certainly did not want to stir up the Flex vs Elecraft pot. 73, Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW Sparks NV DM09dn Washoe County On 8/16/2021 9:04 PM, David Gilbert wrote: I'm not missing any point other than your continued deflection with that Flex wall of text, and I certainly know that software development takes time and people. My only point has been that Elecraft is shipping K4's without the software that they at least implied already existed (they demo'd it!) and that obviously other other (probably more important) efforts are taking precedence over its completion. Why do you keep acting like I have said anything else?? Dave AB7E On 8/16/2021 8:33 PM, Barry Baines wrote: David: On Aug 16, 2021, at 10:27 PM, David Gilbert wrote: Well, I'm not particularly interested in Flex's history, but that seems to be a pretty long winded agreement that there probably isn't any timetable for the remote capability that Elecraft appeared to demonstrate in their video upon the release of the K4. As an aside, last I checked software development wasn't dependent upon piece part supply. Priorities are priorities, though ... I'm just saying that the remote capability doesn't appear to be very high on the list. That's obviously Elecraft's choice, but for me the remote capability was probably the one key attribute that might convince me to switch from my K3 to the K4. For everything else that actually matters to me in the way of raw performance, the K3 seems as good or better. Perhaps you’re missing my point. Yes, hardware production is dependent upon parts supply, but the focus of development is software both in terms of user interface as well as the ‘internals’ of managing “Software" Defined Radio systems is significantly greater than prior Elecraft products. It took Flex nearly five years after initial product announcement to provide Wide Area Network remote capability for their Flex-6 products. When it came out in 2017, it changed the entire nature of Flex products. Remote operation is what is driving Flex users today. Elecraft presumably understands this, but clearly there are other software development concerns they’re currently focusing upon. And how do you balance the need to get hardware product out-the-door (to generate revenue) versus software development that has been implicitly promised but is presumably initially paid for with a hardware purchase? The priority is presumably to get product out-the-door… And as good as job as Elecraft did on K4 software development before product release, there will be ‘bugs’ found by users as the user base expands. Thus, there is also a continuing need for “software maintenance.” I have no idea what ‘software licensing’ model Elecraft may pursue down the road. Will ‘remote operation’ be a separate product to be purchased when it is available? The version of SmartSDR that users obtained when they received their Flex-6xxx eventually was replaced by an ‘enhanced’ version that offers new features with a new version number that requires payment for a new license if the user wants the enhanced capabilities. The license is associated with the radio, not the user. Thus, I went from v1.xxx when the Flex was delivered in November 2013 and later paid for v2.xxx when "Smartlink” (Remote operation) was introduced in 2017. Later, Flex offered “Multiflex” under SmartSDR v3.xxx that I elected not to purchase and my current SmartSDR v2.7.6 supports my current needs. “Versions” reflect new capabilities (e.g. “Smartlink” and “Multiflex”) while bug fixes within a version are provided as part of the existing license. This pricing model is common in the computer industry and it does provide a revenue stream to help support continued software development. In addition, I paid for SmartSDR for Mac and SmartSDR for iOS licenses developed outside of Flex because they offer features I was willing to pay for with the developer promising future updates without additional fees. Thus, don’t overlook the significance of software development both in terms of development time and expense. I presume that the software development effort for the K4 is significantly greater than prior Elecraft products requiring special skills (such as FPGA programming) and more extensive development efforts than in the past that takes time and resources to successfully implement. FWIW, Barry, WD4ASW/1 73, Dave AB7E On 8/16/2021 5:55 PM, Barry Baines wrote: David: On Aug 16, 2021, at 7:28 PM, David Gilbert wrote: Apparently not. I recently asked on this list if new K4 users could tell us how well the K4 worked for remote operations. The only replies I got
Re: [Elecraft] K4 delivery status
On 8/16/2021 5:55 PM, Barry Baines via Elecraft wrote: The amplifier was returned to Flex in December 2018 due to warranty recall (issue with six meters). Release of the KPA1500 was delayed by the need to fix an issue on 6M. I learned this from someone in a Visalia booth. Mine has been working flawlessly for more than a year. Prior to that, I made extensive use of a KPA500 and KAT500, and still use them for county expeditions. Elecraft does extensive beta testing before they start shipping products. 73, Jim K9YC __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K4 delivery status
I'm not missing any point other than your continued deflection with that Flex wall of text, and I certainly know that software development takes time and people. My only point has been that Elecraft is shipping K4's without the software that they at least implied already existed (they demo'd it!) and that obviously other other (probably more important) efforts are taking precedence over its completion. Why do you keep acting like I have said anything else?? Dave AB7E On 8/16/2021 8:33 PM, Barry Baines wrote: David: On Aug 16, 2021, at 10:27 PM, David Gilbert wrote: Well, I'm not particularly interested in Flex's history, but that seems to be a pretty long winded agreement that there probably isn't any timetable for the remote capability that Elecraft appeared to demonstrate in their video upon the release of the K4. As an aside, last I checked software development wasn't dependent upon piece part supply. Priorities are priorities, though ... I'm just saying that the remote capability doesn't appear to be very high on the list. That's obviously Elecraft's choice, but for me the remote capability was probably the one key attribute that might convince me to switch from my K3 to the K4. For everything else that actually matters to me in the way of raw performance, the K3 seems as good or better. Perhaps you’re missing my point. Yes, hardware production is dependent upon parts supply, but the focus of development is software both in terms of user interface as well as the ‘internals’ of managing “Software" Defined Radio systems is significantly greater than prior Elecraft products. It took Flex nearly five years after initial product announcement to provide Wide Area Network remote capability for their Flex-6 products. When it came out in 2017, it changed the entire nature of Flex products. Remote operation is what is driving Flex users today. Elecraft presumably understands this, but clearly there are other software development concerns they’re currently focusing upon. And how do you balance the need to get hardware product out-the-door (to generate revenue) versus software development that has been implicitly promised but is presumably initially paid for with a hardware purchase? The priority is presumably to get product out-the-door… And as good as job as Elecraft did on K4 software development before product release, there will be ‘bugs’ found by users as the user base expands. Thus, there is also a continuing need for “software maintenance.” I have no idea what ‘software licensing’ model Elecraft may pursue down the road. Will ‘remote operation’ be a separate product to be purchased when it is available? The version of SmartSDR that users obtained when they received their Flex-6xxx eventually was replaced by an ‘enhanced’ version that offers new features with a new version number that requires payment for a new license if the user wants the enhanced capabilities. The license is associated with the radio, not the user. Thus, I went from v1.xxx when the Flex was delivered in November 2013 and later paid for v2.xxx when "Smartlink” (Remote operation) was introduced in 2017. Later, Flex offered “Multiflex” under SmartSDR v3.xxx that I elected not to purchase and my current SmartSDR v2.7.6 supports my current needs. “Versions” reflect new capabilities (e.g. “Smartlink” and “Multiflex”) while bug fixes within a version are provided as part of the existing license. This pricing model is common in the computer industry and it does provide a revenue stream to help support continued software development. In addition, I paid for SmartSDR for Mac and SmartSDR for iOS licenses developed outside of Flex because they offer features I was willing to pay for with the developer promising future updates without additional fees. Thus, don’t overlook the significance of software development both in terms of development time and expense. I presume that the software development effort for the K4 is significantly greater than prior Elecraft products requiring special skills (such as FPGA programming) and more extensive development efforts than in the past that takes time and resources to successfully implement. FWIW, Barry, WD4ASW/1 73, Dave AB7E On 8/16/2021 5:55 PM, Barry Baines wrote: David: On Aug 16, 2021, at 7:28 PM, David Gilbert wrote: Apparently not. I recently asked on this list if new K4 users could tell us how well the K4 worked for remote operations. The only replies I got said that Elecraft had not yet written a release version of the software for remote operation of the K4, and as best they could tell from the responses they had gotten from Elecraft there was no timetable for doing so. Nobody from Elecraft bothered to answer my query, so they are probably correct. We all know that Elecraft is facing huge challenges on all fronts in terms of product manufacturing and digging through the orders they’ve
Re: [Elecraft] K4 delivery status
David: > On Aug 16, 2021, at 10:27 PM, David Gilbert wrote: > > > Well, I'm not particularly interested in Flex's history, but that seems to be > a pretty long winded agreement that there probably isn't any timetable for > the remote capability that Elecraft appeared to demonstrate in their video > upon the release of the K4. > > As an aside, last I checked software development wasn't dependent upon piece > part supply. Priorities are priorities, though ... I'm just saying that the > remote capability doesn't appear to be very high on the list. That's > obviously Elecraft's choice, but for me the remote capability was probably > the one key attribute that might convince me to switch from my K3 to the K4. > For everything else that actually matters to me in the way of raw > performance, the K3 seems as good or better. Perhaps you’re missing my point. Yes, hardware production is dependent upon parts supply, but the focus of development is software both in terms of user interface as well as the ‘internals’ of managing “Software" Defined Radio systems is significantly greater than prior Elecraft products. It took Flex nearly five years after initial product announcement to provide Wide Area Network remote capability for their Flex-6 products. When it came out in 2017, it changed the entire nature of Flex products. Remote operation is what is driving Flex users today. Elecraft presumably understands this, but clearly there are other software development concerns they’re currently focusing upon. And how do you balance the need to get hardware product out-the-door (to generate revenue) versus software development that has been implicitly promised but is presumably initially paid for with a hardware purchase? The priority is presumably to get product out-the-door… And as good as job as Elecraft did on K4 software development before product release, there will be ‘bugs’ found by users as the user base expands. Thus, there is also a continuing need for “software maintenance.” I have no idea what ‘software licensing’ model Elecraft may pursue down the road. Will ‘remote operation’ be a separate product to be purchased when it is available? The version of SmartSDR that users obtained when they received their Flex-6xxx eventually was replaced by an ‘enhanced’ version that offers new features with a new version number that requires payment for a new license if the user wants the enhanced capabilities. The license is associated with the radio, not the user. Thus, I went from v1.xxx when the Flex was delivered in November 2013 and later paid for v2.xxx when "Smartlink” (Remote operation) was introduced in 2017. Later, Flex offered “Multiflex” under SmartSDR v3.xxx that I elected not to purchase and my current SmartSDR v2.7.6 supports my current needs. “Versions” reflect new capabilities (e.g. “Smartlink” and “Multiflex”) while bug fixes within a version are provided as part of the existing license. This pricing model is common in the computer industry and it does provide a revenue stream to help support continued software development. In addition, I paid for SmartSDR for Mac and SmartSDR for iOS licenses developed outside of Flex because they offer features I was willing to pay for with the developer promising future updates without additional fees. Thus, don’t overlook the significance of software development both in terms of development time and expense. I presume that the software development effort for the K4 is significantly greater than prior Elecraft products requiring special skills (such as FPGA programming) and more extensive development efforts than in the past that takes time and resources to successfully implement. FWIW, Barry, WD4ASW/1 > > 73, > Dave AB7E > > > On 8/16/2021 5:55 PM, Barry Baines wrote: >> David: >> >>> On Aug 16, 2021, at 7:28 PM, David Gilbert wrote: >>> >>> >>> Apparently not. I recently asked on this list if new K4 users could tell >>> us how well the K4 worked for remote operations. The only replies I got >>> said that Elecraft had not yet written a release version of the software >>> for remote operation of the K4, and as best they could tell from the >>> responses they had gotten from Elecraft there was no timetable for doing >>> so. Nobody from Elecraft bothered to answer my query, so they are probably >>> correct. >> >> We all know that Elecraft is facing huge challenges on all fronts in terms >> of product manufacturing and digging through the orders they’ve received. >> >> Elecraft is not alone in terms of announcing a vision and then expending the >> resources ($$$, technical development, production, distribution) to make it >> happen. Elecraft’s new vision is not easy to implement and will take time >> (years) to fulfill what has been announced. The challenge is to provide a >> roadmap and then calibrate everyone’s expectations regarding when these new >>
Re: [Elecraft] K4 delivery status
Well, I'm not particularly interested in Flex's history, but that seems to be a pretty long winded agreement that there probably isn't any timetable for the remote capability that Elecraft appeared to demonstrate in their video upon the release of the K4. As an aside, last I checked software development wasn't dependent upon piece part supply. Priorities are priorities, though ... I'm just saying that the remote capability doesn't appear to be very high on the list. That's obviously Elecraft's choice, but for me the remote capability was probably the one key attribute that might convince me to switch from my K3 to the K4. For everything else that actually matters to me in the way of raw performance, the K3 seems as good or better. 73, Dave AB7E On 8/16/2021 5:55 PM, Barry Baines wrote: David: On Aug 16, 2021, at 7:28 PM, David Gilbert wrote: Apparently not. I recently asked on this list if new K4 users could tell us how well the K4 worked for remote operations. The only replies I got said that Elecraft had not yet written a release version of the software for remote operation of the K4, and as best they could tell from the responses they had gotten from Elecraft there was no timetable for doing so. Nobody from Elecraft bothered to answer my query, so they are probably correct. We all know that Elecraft is facing huge challenges on all fronts in terms of product manufacturing and digging through the orders they’ve received. Elecraft is not alone in terms of announcing a vision and then expending the resources ($$$, technical development, production, distribution) to make it happen. Elecraft’s new vision is not easy to implement and will take time (years) to fulfill what has been announced. The challenge is to provide a roadmap and then calibrate everyone’s expectations regarding when these new capabilities will be available to users. Like FlexRadio, Elecraft is building a new product line (“ecosystem”) that is fundamentally changing their product offereings and thus the user experience. While I’m not suggesting that Elecraft’s ability to fulfill its roadmap mirrors the customer experience at FlexRadio, making the comparison at least provides a potential for context and recognizing that the technical and financial challenges can be significant. In addition, events of the past 18 months has certainly impacted Elecraft more than Flex in terms of new product releases given what California has been going through not only with Covid-19 but fires and power outages along with subcontractor issues, parts issues, etc. So with these thoughts in mind, I can recite my personal experience as an ‘early adopter’ of the Flex-6000 series and the timeframes of what was promised and when it was delivered as I can recall offhand. 1. Hamvention 2012 was when Flex announced the Flex-6700 transceiver and the evolution into a ‘client-server’ typography between radio (server) and connection device (PC, other user interface) as the client. What caught my eye was the promise of remote operation via an ethernet connection that would greatly simplify the setup and operation of a remote station. Given that my potential operating would be 90% of the time via remote operation, this was a big deal to me. I ordered one in August 2012 as their ‘early purchase discount’ was expiring. 2. My Flex-6700 was delivered in November 2013 with SmarSDR v1.x that was essentially useless for my purposes. No provision for remote operation and only ‘basic functions.’ No promises were made as to when remote operation would be possible. 3. In August 2014 I purchased the K3-KPA500-KAT500-K3/I0 mini with remote rig system from Elecraft at the Huntsville Hamfest. 10 days later product was delivered to me in Westborough, MA and I subsequently set it up at my station in Folkston, GA over labor day weekend. I ordered the equipment because at this point I had no idea when Flex would have developed their remote capability and none of us were getting any younger. Setup was simple and ‘it simply worked’. Nothing fancy versus the potential of the Flex, but it performed as advertised. Most importantly, i had a reliable remote station capability. 4. In May 2017 Flex announced SmartSDR v2.x with “Smartlink” that finally provided the wide area network remote capability that I was looking for. Note that this was FIVE YEARS after initial product announcement. By then SmartSDR had evolved to a level of maturity where the capabilities were meeting expectations…. 5. In February 2018 Flex announced the PGXL amplifier along with an external tuner capable of SO2R capability that would handle the output of the PGXL. The PGXL was shown at the Orlando Hamcation but the tuner at this point was ‘vapor’ as it had not yet been designed. I ordered mine the day that Hamcation opened. 6. I received my PGXL in May 2018 following Hamvention. Neither SmartSDR nor the Maestro were
Re: [Elecraft] K4 delivery status
Just as a reminder, there is a group set up specifically for creative whining and grousing at https://groups.io/g/CreativeK4ShippingStatus . We also gather data in our spare time to generate a fairly accurate view of waiting times and deliveries. The idea was to offload that kind of stuff from the technical discussions that occur on this and the K4 forum. We welcome visitors that are amusing in one way or another. 73, Bob K5WA Message: 1 Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2021 23:33:21 + From: Bill Johnson mailto:k9...@live.com> > To: David Gilbert mailto:ab7e...@gmail.com> >, "elecraft@mailman.qth.net <mailto:elecraft@mailman.qth.net> " mailto:elecraft@mailman.qth.net> > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K4 delivery status Message-ID: mailto:dm6pr08mb50017ee90a6fc95bedbf34ec9c...@dm6pr08mb5001.namprd08.prod.outlook.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" When we see what CA is up to, they may shut down Elecraft again, send them packing to home, put triple masks on, require two vaccines, 3 boosters and a partridge in a pear tree. Sorry, Couldn't help myself. Bill K9YEQ __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K4 delivery status
David: > On Aug 16, 2021, at 7:28 PM, David Gilbert wrote: > > > Apparently not. I recently asked on this list if new K4 users could tell us > how well the K4 worked for remote operations. The only replies I got said > that Elecraft had not yet written a release version of the software for > remote operation of the K4, and as best they could tell from the responses > they had gotten from Elecraft there was no timetable for doing so. Nobody > from Elecraft bothered to answer my query, so they are probably correct. We all know that Elecraft is facing huge challenges on all fronts in terms of product manufacturing and digging through the orders they’ve received. Elecraft is not alone in terms of announcing a vision and then expending the resources ($$$, technical development, production, distribution) to make it happen. Elecraft’s new vision is not easy to implement and will take time (years) to fulfill what has been announced. The challenge is to provide a roadmap and then calibrate everyone’s expectations regarding when these new capabilities will be available to users. Like FlexRadio, Elecraft is building a new product line (“ecosystem”) that is fundamentally changing their product offereings and thus the user experience. While I’m not suggesting that Elecraft’s ability to fulfill its roadmap mirrors the customer experience at FlexRadio, making the comparison at least provides a potential for context and recognizing that the technical and financial challenges can be significant. In addition, events of the past 18 months has certainly impacted Elecraft more than Flex in terms of new product releases given what California has been going through not only with Covid-19 but fires and power outages along with subcontractor issues, parts issues, etc. So with these thoughts in mind, I can recite my personal experience as an ‘early adopter’ of the Flex-6000 series and the timeframes of what was promised and when it was delivered as I can recall offhand. 1. Hamvention 2012 was when Flex announced the Flex-6700 transceiver and the evolution into a ‘client-server’ typography between radio (server) and connection device (PC, other user interface) as the client. What caught my eye was the promise of remote operation via an ethernet connection that would greatly simplify the setup and operation of a remote station. Given that my potential operating would be 90% of the time via remote operation, this was a big deal to me. I ordered one in August 2012 as their ‘early purchase discount’ was expiring. 2. My Flex-6700 was delivered in November 2013 with SmarSDR v1.x that was essentially useless for my purposes. No provision for remote operation and only ‘basic functions.’ No promises were made as to when remote operation would be possible. 3. In August 2014 I purchased the K3-KPA500-KAT500-K3/I0 mini with remote rig system from Elecraft at the Huntsville Hamfest. 10 days later product was delivered to me in Westborough, MA and I subsequently set it up at my station in Folkston, GA over labor day weekend. I ordered the equipment because at this point I had no idea when Flex would have developed their remote capability and none of us were getting any younger. Setup was simple and ‘it simply worked’. Nothing fancy versus the potential of the Flex, but it performed as advertised. Most importantly, i had a reliable remote station capability. 4. In May 2017 Flex announced SmartSDR v2.x with “Smartlink” that finally provided the wide area network remote capability that I was looking for. Note that this was FIVE YEARS after initial product announcement. By then SmartSDR had evolved to a level of maturity where the capabilities were meeting expectations…. 5. In February 2018 Flex announced the PGXL amplifier along with an external tuner capable of SO2R capability that would handle the output of the PGXL. The PGXL was shown at the Orlando Hamcation but the tuner at this point was ‘vapor’ as it had not yet been designed. I ordered mine the day that Hamcation opened. 6. I received my PGXL in May 2018 following Hamvention. Neither SmartSDR nor the Maestro were updated to accommodate the PGXL, so I was forced to use the PGXL using the PGXL utility running on a PC in the shack when operating remotely. More significantly, no tuner was announced so at this point I could use the amplifier with my tribander. This meant that I was dependent upon the Elecraft equipment for bands other than 10-15-20. 7. The amplifier was returned to Flex in December 2018 due to warranty recall (issue with six meters). 8. I don’t remember when, but PGXL integration was incorporated into both Maestro and the various SmartSDR iterations, making it much easier to manage the PGXL remotely. 9. The TGXL (Tuner Genius) was announced in March 2021. I received my Tuner Genius in June 2021, 3+ years after I ordered the PGXL and tuner package. 10. With
Re: [Elecraft] K4 delivery status
On Mon, Aug 16, 2021 at 1:21 PM Fred Jensen wrote: > I haven't seen much K4 chatter here lately, I wonder how things are > going in the shipping/delivery business. Were I to order one today, when > could I expect to start tracking a package? > Skip et al, No one can answer this question, unfortunately, because Elecraft's suppliers can't answer Elecraft's questions. The world-wide chip shortage (and other factors beyond Elecraft's control) make providing reasonable delivery estimates nearly impossible. This applies to many products including autos, not just the K4. Most Elecraft K4 discussion is taking place on an independent moderated mailing list with almost 1,000 members: https://groups.io/g/Elecraft-K4/topics. I cannot read this Elecraft mailman reflector regularly because I'm spending most of my time in that dedicated K4 group, not here. You can search the group for answers to common questions, such as K4 Remote support (still under development). *K4 shipping status and delivery questions should be posted to separate dedicated groups* that are trying to estimate Elecraft's ship rate based on serial numbers and public reports. https://groups.io/g/CreativeK4ShippingStatus/topics https://groups.io/g/Elecraft-K4DeliveryInformation/topics And of course the official Elecraft page is here: https://elecraft.com/pages/shipping-status Note that "Group 1 K4D June 24th" means June 24th, *2019*. 73, Bob, N6TV __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K4 delivery status
We would all have been better off if you had managed to help yourself. Dave AB7E On 8/16/2021 4:33 PM, Bill Johnson wrote: When we see what CA is up to, they may shut down Elecraft again, send them packing to home, put triple masks on, require two vaccines, 3 boosters and a partridge in a pear tree. Sorry, Couldn't help myself. Bill K9YEQ -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of David Gilbert Sent: Monday, August 16, 2021 6:28 PM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K4 delivery status Apparently not. I recently asked on this list if new K4 users could tell us how well the K4 worked for remote operations. The only replies I got said that Elecraft had not yet written a release version of the software for remote operation of the K4, and as best they could tell from the responses they had gotten from Elecraft there was no timetable for doing so. Nobody from Elecraft bothered to answer my query, so they are probably correct. 73, Dave AB7E On 8/16/2021 2:22 PM, Fred Jensen wrote: 1. I run W7RN remotely with the RemoteRig RRC-1258 setup and my K3. If I replace my K3 with a K4, and Tom does _not_ do likewise at RN, will my remote setup still work? 73, Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW Sparks NV DM09dn Washoe County __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to k9...@live.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K4 delivery status
When we see what CA is up to, they may shut down Elecraft again, send them packing to home, put triple masks on, require two vaccines, 3 boosters and a partridge in a pear tree. Sorry, Couldn't help myself. Bill K9YEQ -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of David Gilbert Sent: Monday, August 16, 2021 6:28 PM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K4 delivery status Apparently not. I recently asked on this list if new K4 users could tell us how well the K4 worked for remote operations. The only replies I got said that Elecraft had not yet written a release version of the software for remote operation of the K4, and as best they could tell from the responses they had gotten from Elecraft there was no timetable for doing so. Nobody from Elecraft bothered to answer my query, so they are probably correct. 73, Dave AB7E On 8/16/2021 2:22 PM, Fred Jensen wrote: > > 1. I run W7RN remotely with the RemoteRig RRC-1258 setup and my K3. > If I replace my K3 with a K4, and Tom does _not_ do likewise at RN, > will my remote setup still work? > > 73, > > Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW > Sparks NV DM09dn > Washoe County __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to k9...@live.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K4 delivery status
Apparently not. I recently asked on this list if new K4 users could tell us how well the K4 worked for remote operations. The only replies I got said that Elecraft had not yet written a release version of the software for remote operation of the K4, and as best they could tell from the responses they had gotten from Elecraft there was no timetable for doing so. Nobody from Elecraft bothered to answer my query, so they are probably correct. 73, Dave AB7E On 8/16/2021 2:22 PM, Fred Jensen wrote: 1. I run W7RN remotely with the RemoteRig RRC-1258 setup and my K3. If I replace my K3 with a K4, and Tom does _not_ do likewise at RN, will my remote setup still work? 73, Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW Sparks NV DM09dn Washoe County __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K4 delivery status
Well Lyn, I survived nearly four years of war during my bulletproof and immortal period, so I've assumed it will never be too late to buy a new radio. My K3 [#642] is getting somewhat long in the tooth but it still functions great and I really enjoy it. I've also had enough time to learn how to use most of the knobs and switches. The two primary questions lurking in my head right now: 1. I run W7RN remotely with the RemoteRig RRC-1258 setup and my K3. If I replace my K3 with a K4, and Tom does _not_ do likewise at RN, will my remote setup still work? 2. I have monochrome vision. I run my P3 waterfall in monochrome mode [Thank you Alan!] since the colored mode makes no sense to me. Does the K4 offer that same monochrome WF option? But, a new radio would be cool! 73, Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW Sparks NV DM09dn Washoe County On 8/16/2021 1:39 PM, Lyn Norstad wrote: Fred - According to QRZ, you are 3 years older than I am ... and I am one year beyond the current "Average Life Expectancy" in the USA (post-Covid) for men. Not meaning to imply anything by that, but for me ... I'd wait until they have inventory. 73 Lyn, WØLEN -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Fred Jensen Sent: Monday, August 16, 2021 3:20 PM To: Elecraft Reflector Subject: [Elecraft] K4 delivery status I haven't seen much K4 chatter here lately, I wonder how things are going in the shipping/delivery business. Were I to order one today, when could I expect to start tracking a package? 73, Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW Sparks NV DM09dn Washoe County __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K4 delivery status
And then wait another year until the bugs are fixed. Wes N7WS On 8/16/2021 1:39 PM, Lyn Norstad wrote: Fred - I'd wait until they have inventory. 73 Lyn, WØLEN __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K4 delivery status
Fred - According to QRZ, you are 3 years older than I am ... and I am one year beyond the current "Average Life Expectancy" in the USA (post-Covid) for men. Not meaning to imply anything by that, but for me ... I'd wait until they have inventory. 73 Lyn, WØLEN -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Fred Jensen Sent: Monday, August 16, 2021 3:20 PM To: Elecraft Reflector Subject: [Elecraft] K4 delivery status I haven't seen much K4 chatter here lately, I wonder how things are going in the shipping/delivery business. Were I to order one today, when could I expect to start tracking a package? 73, Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW Sparks NV DM09dn Washoe County __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to l...@lnainc.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K4 delivery status
You're never too old to buy another radio! On Mon, Aug 16, 2021, 16:30 Victor Rosenthal 4X6GP wrote: > I'd like to know too. I keep flipping back and forth between "I'm too > old to buy another radio" and "but the K4 is so cool." > > 73, > Victor, 4X6GP > Rehovot, Israel > CWops #5 > Formerly K2VCO > https://www.qsl.net/k2vco/ > On 16/08/2021 23:20, Fred Jensen wrote: > > I haven't seen much K4 chatter here lately, I wonder how things are > > going in the shipping/delivery business. Were I to order one today, when > > could I expect to start tracking a package? > > > > 73, > > > > Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW > > Sparks NV DM09dn > > Washoe County > > __ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to k2vco@gmail.com > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to ju...@juliatuttle.net > __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] K4 delivery status
I'd like to know too. I keep flipping back and forth between "I'm too old to buy another radio" and "but the K4 is so cool." 73, Victor, 4X6GP Rehovot, Israel CWops #5 Formerly K2VCO https://www.qsl.net/k2vco/ On 16/08/2021 23:20, Fred Jensen wrote: I haven't seen much K4 chatter here lately, I wonder how things are going in the shipping/delivery business. Were I to order one today, when could I expect to start tracking a package? 73, Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW Sparks NV DM09dn Washoe County __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to k2vco@gmail.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
