Re: [Elecraft] OT setting your computer to NIST
On 15-06-27 02:00 PM, Harry Yingst wrote: I used a Raspberry Pi and made a NTP server to hook to my GPSDO I didn't really need one but I had the GPSDO with the NMEA and PPS output and a spare Raspberry Pi I also have a GPSDO that provides NMEA data and PPS output. It makes sense for one to provide data that can also be used when you need accurate time. They can also make for extremely accurate frequency sources for Elecraft radios that accept 10MHz reference signals from an external source. -- Cheers! Kevin. http://www.ve3syb.ca/ |Nerds make the shiny things that distract Owner of Elecraft K2 #2172 | the mouth-breathers, and that's why we're | powerful! #include disclaimer/favourite | --Chris Hardwick __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
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On Fri,6/26/2015 6:54 PM, Robin Moseley wrote: most EME stations There are several good applications that do this. I've used NetTime for several years. http://www.timesynctool.com/ It runs in the background, can be set to sync at intervals that make sense for your PC. BTW -- the accuracy of the clock in a computer is NOT a function of battery condition, but rather the temperature in your shack and the temperature stability of the clock. One of my computers needed a sync every half hour to be good enough for WSJT modes, while others can go for days. With NetTime, you can see the time correction applied at each sync. 73, Jim K9YC __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
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If you are using pool servers, best practice is to specify at least four (that's the reason for having 1., 2., etc., so that you can select four different ones). That way, if one of the them goes rogue it will be exlcuded from the time solution but you will still have enough for a correct time (there is a theory as to why three isn't enough). I believe that Windows supports the use of multiple servers and the NTP mitigation rules for deciding which ones are good, but you will probably have to go to the registry. If you want to use a single server, almost always the best one to use is the one run by your ISP. More ISPs run these than advertise the fact, and they are almost always time.isp or time1.isp, time2.ips etc. Note that time server addresses are normally resolved at start up. The latest reference implementations of ntpd will re-resolve pool servers that stop responding, but I don't think that w32time has any specific pool server support. However, if you are radio amateur, and serious about time, you should be using a local radio clock. The NTP reference version supports this, even on Windows, although you are likely to need a non-USB serial port for best performance. GPS receivers with pulse per second outputs are available for a few tens of USD. http://www.satsignal.eu/ntp/NTP-on-Windows-serial-port.html Times accurate to single figure microseconds are possible on Linux, but one should really expect Windows to do better than single figure milliseconds. (The figures in the article are likely to be for an unloaded system and applications programmes can't normally read the time to that high a resolution. They are also really repeatability, rather than absolute accuracy, measurements. You need an even more accurate clock to measure those.) The GPS L1 Coarse/Acquisition signal should be able to obtain time transfer accuracies of around 50ns, so GPS itself is not the weak link. -- David Woolley Owner K2 06123 On 28/06/15 00:02, Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT wrote: The pool has a whole bunch of time servers, run by different organizations. The people who run them can add them to the pool, or remove them from the pool when they're about to be shut down. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
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I also use tick.nobs.navy.mil for several years (2003) with my xp32 machine using D4 (mainly for JT65 on eme). I have a frequent sync rate so time is rarely off more than 0.020s. Dimension-4 is freeware and easy to setup. I tried some other NIST programs in the past returned to using D4. Its my belief that it is used by very many eme'rs so not sure where the comment by GIMHU came from that represented most eme'rs having switched away from D4. I was never asked in any survey about what I am using. 73, Ed - KL7UW --- Myself, I use tick.nobs.navy.mil with no problems at all. It's at the US Naval Observatory and is one of the group used to determine NIST time. My first engineering job was at the US Naval Research Laboratory so I have a (misplaced ?) loyalty to NObs ! :) Happy Hamming. 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane Elecraft K2/100 s/n 5402 73, Ed - KL7UW http://www.kl7uw.com Kits made by KL7UW Dubus Mag business: dubus...@gmail.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] OT setting your computer to NIST
I use D4 as well. It synch's on boot and every 15 minutes thereafter. The longer you leave the computer on the more accurate the system clock. I just checked and the last synch adjusted the system clock by .006 seconds. The computer rebooted three days ago. That's plenty good enough for me. On 6/28/2015 2:35 AM, Edward R Cole wrote: I also use tick.nobs.navy.mil for several years (2003) with my xp32 machine using D4 (mainly for JT65 on eme). I have a frequent sync rate so time is rarely off more than 0.020s. Dimension-4 is freeware and easy to setup. I tried some other NIST programs in the past returned to using D4. Its my belief that it is used by very many eme'rs so not sure where the comment by GIMHU came from that represented most eme'rs having switched away from D4. I was never asked in any survey about what I am using. 73, Ed - KL7UW --- Myself, I use tick.nobs.navy.mil with no problems at all. It's at the US Naval Observatory and is one of the group used to determine NIST time. My first engineering job was at the US Naval Research Laboratory so I have a (misplaced ?) loyalty to NObs ! :) Happy Hamming. 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane Elecraft K2/100 s/n 5402 73, Ed - KL7UW http://www.kl7uw.com Kits made by KL7UW Dubus Mag business: dubus...@gmail.com -- R. Kevin Stover AC0H ARRL FISTS #11993 SKCC #215 NAQCC #3441 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] OT setting your computer to NIST
Gary, Is there any chance that perhaps your firewall might be blocking the traffic on that NTP port? This thought was triggered by the fact that all your computers were having problems. From what I’ve found on Google doing a quick search that NTP can use port 123 (IMCP, which is also used by pPing), port 37 (but seems to be disfavored) and port 13. See: http://tf.nist.gov/tf-cgi/servers.cgi Cheers and hope you find the problem, -rick, K7LOG On Jun 27, 2015, at 8:24 PM, Gary Smith g...@ka1j.com wrote: Gentlemen, I have today tried each and every one of your suggestions for a correct server to sync and ever one of them has failed for me. While I am truly happy these options work for you, they do not work for this computer or any of the other computers I use. The 3rd party software, however, does work without a hiccup on this computer. My only interest in my original posting of this was to provide information to any of us who have difficulties in syncing their computer to the correct time, so they will know a viable option to deal with this problem. I suspect this has been beaten to death and Eric will be soon telling us to can it, so lets let it go at this point. 73, Gary KA1J --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. https://www.avast.com/antivirus __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to rick.co...@frontier.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
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Yes. wunder K6WRU CM87wj http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) On Jun 27, 2015, at 6:22 PM, WA8JXM wa8...@gmail.com wrote: So you are saying that NTP should still synchronize my computer clock accurately? On 27/06/2015 20:06, Walter Underwood wrote: This is exactly what NTP was designed to handle, synchronizing clocks with long latency. If the variance is small, NTP can sync clocks very accurately. wunder K6WRU CM87wj http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) On Jun 27, 2015, at 4:32 PM, WA8JXMwa8...@gmail.com wrote: Any suggestions to handle the delay caused by satellite internet access (typical 800 ms ping time)? __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to wun...@wunderwood.org __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
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I don't recall anyone mentioning it but I've had very good luck using Meinberg NTP on everything from XP to Windows 8.1. 73 Don AC2EV On Jun 28, 2015, at 18:00, elecraft-requ...@mailman.qth.net wrote: Re: [Elecraft] OT setting your computer to NIST __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
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FWIW, the one glitch I encountered when I joined the Win10 beta was that the user account I created for the Meinberg NTP service did not get transferred over from my Win81 install. Hopefully this will be cleared up before Win10 goes live. -- Michael Adams | m...@n1en.org Original message From: Frontier ac2ev ac...@frontier.com Date: 2015/06/28 19:13 (GMT-05:00) To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT setting your computer to NIST I don't recall anyone mentioning it but I've had very good luck using Meinberg NTP on everything from XP to Windows 8.1. 73 Don AC2EV On Jun 28, 2015, at 18:00, elecraft-requ...@mailman.qth.net wrote: Re: [Elecraft] OT setting your computer to NIST __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to m...@n1en.org __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
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Whilst Windows is not good for accurate time synchronisation using any tool, the current versions of w32time, the native Windows NTP support, can be configured https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc773263%28v=ws.10%29.aspx#w2k3tr_times_tools_uhlp to be much better than the out of the box configuration. In particular you must make sure that you specify servers without the special poll interval flag. t can be set to behave pretty much like the reference implementation of version 3 NTP. Windows ports of the reference implementation of version 4 NTP software, that the servers you use are likely to be using, are available at no charge, and, for example, Meinberg supply a free installer for it. Whilst another branch of this thread (not yet on the digest) tends to perpetuate the misunderstanding that this was written by Meinberg, that is not true. It is actually the open source reference implementation, as used on many and available for all Linux systems (but with some build options set for Windows). Meinberg have simply added a Windows installer. Properly tuned I'd expect 95 percentile accuracy as about 20ms with w32time, maybe 10ms with the reference implementation and better than 1ms with Linux. Out of the box w32time polls at very long intervals (7 days for standalone installations) and is designed to keep the time accurate to within the few seconds needed for Kerberos authentication on Windows networks, but the current software can be tuned for poll rates of seconds, use multiple servers and interpolate with frequency compensation. The continued existence of software like Dimenion 4 and Tardis owes more to marketing than to being better solutions. (Microsoft are not interested in Windows client systems being used outside of a Windows network, so don't advertise the full capabilities of w32time.) Incidentally, the primary author of the NTP protocol specification and its reference implementation is W3HCF. -- David Woolley Owner K2 06123 On 26/06/15 22:22, Josh Fiden wrote: Most 6m EME guys I know are using Dimension 4. Works great and in my experience MUCH more accurate than the built-in Windows time sync. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
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I used a Raspberry Pi and made a NTP server to hook to my GPSDO I didn't really need one but I had the GPSDO with the NMEA and PPS output and a spare Raspberry Pi __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
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On 15-06-26 02:03 PM, Gary Smith wrote: I've not been able to get my windows computer to automatically update for a long time now and I've tried everything I could uncover via google forums. Since I use the computer for logging and contesting, having the real time on my computer is important so I've had to tune to WWV and manually sync the minutes and seconds and doing this repeatedly is a PIT kiester. I used to use NIST time servers to sync my computers under both Linux and Windows. At one point they changed the URL's for the servers so I had to find the new names. I did a quick google search and found the page with the list of NIST servers. It can be found at: http://tf.nist.gov/tf-cgi/servers.cgi It lists all the servers and tells you which ones you can use and which ones are busy. -- Cheers! Kevin. http://www.ve3syb.ca/ |Nerds make the shiny things that distract Owner of Elecraft K2 #2172 | the mouth-breathers, and that's why we're | powerful! #include disclaimer/favourite | --Chris Hardwick __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
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I think the main point is that for the last several versions of Windows you haven't needed to, and probably shouldn't, use a 3rd party program to sync time. You can set up a regular sync with a few clicks from the home screen. If your machine's clock needs more frequent sync, one way to set the interval is described in the instructions found here: http://www.vistax64.com/tutorials/89800-internet-time-synchronization-update-interval.html Tony KT0NY On Sat, Jun 27, 2015 at 1:00 PM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft elecraft@mailman.qth.net wrote: I used a Raspberry Pi and made a NTP server to hook to my GPSDO I didn't really need one but I had the GPSDO with the NMEA and PPS output and a spare Raspberry Pi __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to estept...@gmail.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
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On 6/27/2015 3:17 PM, Gary Smith wrote: Here is the windows error message I get 100% of the time I try to use windows built-in update facility: http://doctorgary.net/time.jpg It will not update on its own nor when I try to force an internet time correction and this has been T problem for a very long time; That's because the server that you selected is not available (any more). There is a list of available NIST servers at: http://tf.nist.gov/tf-cgi/servers.cgi Myself, I use tick.nobs.navy.mil with no problems at all. It's at the US Naval Observatory and is one of the group used to determine NIST time. My first engineering job was at the US Naval Research Laboratory so I have a (misplaced ?) loyalty to NObs ! :) Happy Hamming. 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane Elecraft K2/100 s/n 5402 From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
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So you are saying that NTP should still synchronize my computer clock accurately? On 27/06/2015 20:06, Walter Underwood wrote: This is exactly what NTP was designed to handle, synchronizing clocks with long latency. If the variance is small, NTP can sync clocks very accurately. wunder K6WRU CM87wj http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) On Jun 27, 2015, at 4:32 PM, WA8JXMwa8...@gmail.com wrote: Any suggestions to handle the delay caused by satellite internet access (typical 800 ms ping time)? __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
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Having an accurate clock if you are using, or plan to use, the WSJT digital modes with Windows, is highly recommended. The average user shouldn’t be making changes to the registry, and there is no reason why you shouldn’t use a third party utility program to have an accurate clock; even if you aren’t using digital modes. 73 de Sebastian, W4AS On Jun 27, 2015, at 3:31 PM, Tony Estep estept...@gmail.com wrote: I think the main point is that for the last several versions of Windows you haven't needed to, and probably shouldn't, use a 3rd party program to sync time. You can set up a regular sync with a few clicks from the home screen. If your machine's clock needs more frequent sync, one way to set the interval is described in the instructions found here: http://www.vistax64.com/tutorials/89800-internet-time-synchronization-update-interval.html Tony KT0NY On Sat, Jun 27, 2015 at 1:00 PM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft elecraft@mailman.qth.net wrote: I used a Raspberry Pi and made a NTP server to hook to my GPSDO I didn't really need one but I had the GPSDO with the NMEA and PPS output and a spare Raspberry Pi __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
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I've gotten several emails where some believe that using the built-in windows internet time update is my easiest solution. Unfortunately, it's not; I can not update unless I use a 3rd party program. Here is the windows error message I get 100% of the time I try to use windows built-in update facility: http://doctorgary.net/time.jpg It will not update on its own nor when I try to force an internet time correction and this has been a problem for a very long time; using an outside synchronizing solution is my only remedy. I can't help but assume others have the same problem want accurate time on their computer so I offered the solution I found and there have been several alternatives suggested. Whichever works accurately is the solution to getting the right time on the computer. Back to Field day :D 73, Gary KA1J I think the main point is that for the last several versions of Windows you haven't needed to, and probably shouldn't, use a 3rd party program to sync time. You can set up a regular sync with a few clicks from the home screen. If your machine's clock needs more frequent sync, one way to set the interval is described in the instructions found here: http://www.vistax64.com/tutorials/89800-internet-time-synchronization-update-interval.html Tony KT0NY On Sat, Jun 27, 2015 at 1:00 PM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft elecraft@mailman.qth.net wrote: I used a Raspberry Pi and made a NTP server to hook to my GPSDO I didn't really need one but I had the GPSDO with the NMEA and PPS output and a spare Raspberry Pi __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to estept...@gmail.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to g...@ka1j.com --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. https://www.avast.com/antivirus __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
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I mentioned POOL.NTP.ORG earlier. I don't care what name you use for the server, sooner or later it will change, or go away. The pool has a whole bunch of time servers, run by different organizations. The people who run them can add them to the pool, or remove them from the pool when they're about to be shut down. There are a lot of time servers, run by a lot of different people, and the traffic is spread across them using round-robin DNS so no one server is overloaded. Just type 1.pool.ntp.org where it currently says time-b.nist.gov and you'll have a very robust set of time servers to rely on -- not just one that may be turned off due to budgetary limitations. 73 -- Lynn On 6/27/2015 3:17 PM, Gary Smith wrote: I've gotten several emails where some believe that using the built-in windows internet time update is my easiest solution. Unfortunately, it's not; I can not update unless I use a 3rd party program. Here is the windows error message I get 100% of the time I try to use windows built-in update facility: http://doctorgary.net/time.jpg It will not update on its own nor when I try to force an internet time correction and this has been a problem for a very long time; using an outside synchronizing solution is my only remedy. I can't help but assume others have the same problem want accurate time on their computer so I offered the solution I found and there have been several alternatives suggested. Whichever works accurately is the solution to getting the right time on the computer. Back to Field day :D 73, Gary KA1J __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
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P.S. this applies to any NTP client on any OS, not just the built-in Windows time client. On 6/27/2015 4:02 PM, Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT wrote: Just type 1.pool.ntp.org where it currently says time-b.nist.gov and you'll have a very robust set of time servers to rely on -- not just one that may be turned off due to budgetary limitations. -- Win a cruise! Visit http://ColdRocksHotBrooms.com for details! __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
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That's because the server that you selected is not available (any more). There is a list of available NIST servers at: http://tf.nist.gov/tf-cgi/servers.cgi If you follow the rules and use - time.nist.gov - your request will be distributed to any available service. time.nist.gov is the pool address. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 2015-06-27 6:31 PM, Phil Kane wrote: On 6/27/2015 3:17 PM, Gary Smith wrote: Here is the windows error message I get 100% of the time I try to use windows built-in update facility: http://doctorgary.net/time.jpg It will not update on its own nor when I try to force an internet time correction and this has been T problem for a very long time; That's because the server that you selected is not available (any more). There is a list of available NIST servers at: http://tf.nist.gov/tf-cgi/servers.cgi Myself, I use tick.nobs.navy.mil with no problems at all. It's at the US Naval Observatory and is one of the group used to determine NIST time. My first engineering job was at the US Naval Research Laboratory so I have a (misplaced ?) loyalty to NObs ! :) Happy Hamming. 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane Elecraft K2/100 s/n 5402 From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to li...@subich.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
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Any suggestions to handle the delay caused by satellite internet access (typical 800 ms ping time)? __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
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GPS time is extremely accurate. If you have multiple computers, you can run your own NTP server synced to GPS. On 6/27/2015 4:32 PM, WA8JXM wrote: Any suggestions to handle the delay caused by satellite internet access (typical 800 ms ping time)? __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
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This is exactly what NTP was designed to handle, synchronizing clocks with long latency. If the variance is small, NTP can sync clocks very accurately. wunder K6WRU CM87wj http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) On Jun 27, 2015, at 4:32 PM, WA8JXM wa8...@gmail.com wrote: Any suggestions to handle the delay caused by satellite internet access (typical 800 ms ping time)? __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to wun...@wunderwood.org __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
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Gentlemen, I have today tried each and every one of your suggestions for a correct server to sync and ever one of them has failed for me. While I am truly happy these options work for you, they do not work for this computer or any of the other computers I use. The 3rd party software, however, does work without a hiccup on this computer. My only interest in my original posting of this was to provide information to any of us who have difficulties in syncing their computer to the correct time, so they will know a viable option to deal with this problem. I suspect this has been beaten to death and Eric will be soon telling us to can it, so lets let it go at this point. 73, Gary KA1J --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. https://www.avast.com/antivirus __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
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Gary, If you are on a Windows platform, look into Atomic Clock Sync. It can sync periodically or manually and the user interface is easy. 73, Don W3FPR On 6/26/2015 2:03 PM, Gary Smith wrote: I've not been able to get my windows computer to automatically update for a long time now and I've tried everything I could uncover via google forums. Since I use the computer for logging and contesting, having the real time on my computer is important so I've had to tune to WWV and manually sync the minutes and seconds and doing this repeatedly is a PIT kiester. Even with a new battery, this computer loses 5-6 seconds a month and I dislike having to constantly go through the resetting procedure. I found the National Institute of Standards and Technology, a govt. agency, has a free software that will do this for you. http://www.nist.gov/pml/div688/grp40/its.c fm or: http://tinyurl.com/4s9agpw There's a tiny learning curve and for a server under the file button, I needed to select the 2nd option and checked the NTP format option for it to work but it now updates in maybe 2 seconds and gives you the option of syncing in real time or not. Once you have it working, save the config under the file option and it will remember your selected option. I'm assuming we all want our time to be correct so I'm posting this here and on a couple of other Ham groups I follow. Now back to our regularly scheduled Elecraft postings. 73, Gary KA1J __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to w3...@embarqmail.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
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Most 6m EME guys I know are using Dimension 4. Works great and in my experience MUCH more accurate than the built-in Windows time sync. 73, Josh W6XU On 6/26/2015 2:15 PM, Brian Hunt wrote: i installed Dimension 4 (http://www.thinkman.com/dimension4/) a few months ago and it has been great. I shutdown my Win7 PC when not in use. As soon as it comes back up the time is synced to NIST via any number of internet time servers which it rotates through. The correction history shows time is kept to within +/- half second. I set it up to work JT65 modes. YMMV. Brian, K0DTJ __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
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I strongly recommend pool.ntp.org, using the native NTP software on your computer. A list of public time servers is here: http://support.ntp.org/bin/view/Servers/WebHome There is a list of public, stratum 1 time servers, but please please do not use them directly, unless you run your own time server. 73 -- Lynn On 6/26/2015 11:03 AM, Gary Smith wrote: I've not been able to get my windows computer to automatically update for a long time now and I've tried everything I could uncover via google forums. -- Win a cruise! Visit http://ColdRocksHotBrooms.com for details! __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
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Windows before XP didn't have native NTP support. In XP, right-click on the clock, then choose internet time and enter 2.pool.ntp.org as the server. Make sure the synchronize box is checked. I'd expect later versions of Windows to be the same, but they probably aren't. 73 -- Lynn On 6/26/2015 1:41 PM, Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT wrote: I strongly recommend pool.ntp.org, using the native NTP software on your computer. A list of public time servers is here: http://support.ntp.org/bin/view/Servers/WebHome There is a list of public, stratum 1 time servers, but please please do not use them directly, unless you run your own time server. 73 -- Lynn On 6/26/2015 11:03 AM, Gary Smith wrote: I've not been able to get my windows computer to automatically update for a long time now and I've tried everything I could uncover via google forums. -- Win a cruise! Visit http://ColdRocksHotBrooms.com for details! __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
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i installed Dimension 4 (http://www.thinkman.com/dimension4/) a few months ago and it has been great. I shutdown my Win7 PC when not in use. As soon as it comes back up the time is synced to NIST via any number of internet time servers which it rotates through. The correction history shows time is kept to within +/- half second. I set it up to work JT65 modes. YMMV. Brian, K0DTJ On 6/26/2015 11:03 AM, Gary Smith wrote: I've not been able to get my windows computer to automatically update for a long time now and I've tried everything I could uncover via google forums. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
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Went to check that the clock was set for internet updates - it was. Something useful I saw was the ability to set a second clock which I did. UTC is one of the selections. Put the mouse over the time and both clocks come up in a small window. W3OU, Steve -Original Message- From: Don Wilhelm w3...@embarqmail.com To: Gary g...@ka1j.com; elecraft elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Fri, Jun 26, 2015 2:26 pm Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT setting your computer to NIST Gary, If you are on a Windows platform, look into Atomic Clock Sync. It can sync periodically or manually and the user interface is easy. 73, Don W3FPR On 6/26/2015 2:03 PM, Gary Smith wrote: I've not been able to get my windows computer to automatically update for a long time now and I've tried everything I could uncover via google forums. Since I use the computer for logging and contesting, having the real time on my computer is important so I've had to tune to WWV and manually sync the minutes and seconds and doing this repeatedly is a PIT kiester. Even with a new battery, this computer loses 5-6 seconds a month and I dislike having to constantly go through the resetting procedure. I found the National Institute of Standards and Technology, a govt. agency, has a free software that will do this for you. http://www.nist.gov/pml/div688/grp40/its.c fm or: http://tinyurl.com/4s9agpw There's a tiny learning curve and for a server under the file button, I needed to select the 2nd option and checked the NTP format option for it to work but it now updates in maybe 2 seconds and gives you the option of syncing in real time or not. Once you have it working, save the config under the file option and it will remember your selected option. I'm assuming we all want our time to be correct so I'm posting this here and on a couple of other Ham groups I follow. Now back to our regularly scheduled Elecraft postings. 73, Gary KA1J __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to w3...@embarqmail.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to sfb...@aol.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
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nope most EME stations have moved to https://www.meinbergglobal.com/english/sw/ntp.htm#ntp_nt_stable, installed as a service. Robin G1MHU -Original Message- From: Josh Fiden Sent: Friday, June 26, 2015 10:22 PM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT setting your computer to NIST Most 6m EME guys I know are using Dimension 4. Works great and in my experience MUCH more accurate than the built-in Windows time sync. 73, Josh W6XU .com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
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I see you're right! I was behind the times... hi Thanks for the updated info. 73, Josh W6XU On 6/26/2015 6:54 PM, Robin Moseley wrote: nope most EME stations have moved to https://www.meinbergglobal.com/english/sw/ntp.htm#ntp_nt_stable, installed as a service. Robin G1MHU -Original Message- From: Josh Fiden Sent: Friday, June 26, 2015 10:22 PM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT setting your computer to NIST Most 6m EME guys I know are using Dimension 4. Works great and in my experience MUCH more accurate than the built-in Windows time sync. 73, Josh W6XU .com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
