Re: Vermont Mercury Labeling Law

[Lou Guerin]

Richard,
I found the website for the State of Vermont with the info you are 
looking.
www.leg.state.vt.us/statutes/title10/06621d.htm
 
Items to be labeled are:
(1) A thermostat or thermometer.
(2) A switch, individually or as part of another product.
(3) A medical or scientific instrument.
(4) An electric relay or other electrical device.
(5) A lamp.
(6) A battery, sold to the public, other than a button battery.

Subject:Vermont Mercury Labeling Law
To: emc-p...@ieee.org
Copies to:  From:   "Richard Pittenger" 

Date sent:  Fri, 21 Jan 2000 09:22:12 -0500
Send reply to:  "Richard Pittenger" 

Hello Group:

The State of Vermont has a labeling law becoming effective 3-1-2000 which
requires products which contain mercury-containing components to be labeled
as such and direct the customer/servicer to properly dispose of such
components at the time of replacement.

I understand that fluorescent lighting tubes contain mercury and that NEMA
and several mfgs. of such tubes have won a lawsuit against Vermont which
puts off, at least, the effective date for marking such lighting tubes.

Does anyone in the group know if this ruling affects mfgs. of equipment
that use fixtures containing fluorescent tubes? Or will such appliances,
etc., still need to be marked with the disposal warning as of 3-1-2000?

Thanks for any info you have on this subject.

Regards,
Richard Pittenger
PMI Food Equipment Group
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Re: EN61000-4-11

[teckert]

The Keytek EMC Pro claims a transition time between 1 and 5 microseconds
for IEC 1000-4-11.  The generator is designed specifically for IEC immunity
tests and it adheres to the standards fairly closely.

http://www.keytek.com/
http://www.keytek.com/emc/emcpro.htm

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From: fwhitfi...@rheintech.com on 01/24/2000 03:11 PM
Subject:  EN61000-4-11






EN 61000-4-11 states that the rise/fall time for a test generator used
to perform a voltage abnormalities test (i.e. dips, variations etc
should be between 1 and 5 microseconds.)

 Does anyone know of a generator that meets this criterion? I have
come across a few but they typically cannot be programmed to work with
rise/fall times less than 0.1 milliseconds(i.e. 100 microseconds).
Thanks for your usual co-operation.

John F. Whitfield


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Re: E-Field Probe Question

[Ralph Cameron]

Tr usually ment risetime when referred to pulsed signals. In this case I
think it refers to response time less than 10Hz. In other words  you'll get
a reading in less than the period of ten hertz at the frequency of
measurement.

Ralph Cameron

EMC Consultant and Suppression of Consuemr Electronic Equipment
(After Sale)

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Subject: E-Field Probe Question


>
>
> I need clarification on a spec for an e-field probe. The spec is
> "Tr less than 10 Hz."
>
> What is Tr?
>
> The probe is specified in SAE J1113/27 "Electromagnetic
> Compatibility Measurements Procedure for Vehicle Components:
> Part 27:Immunity to Radiated Electromagnetic
> Fields-Reverberation Method."
>
> Thanks,
>
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Re: EMC Circuit Board Design

[Robert Macy]

Thank you.

Good point about current.

It's amazing that the same people that would *never* attach a 1 inch wire
(sticking up into space) to the clock signal would allow a 1 inch long slot
that has over 30mA of current flowing around it -- when they're equivalent
radiators.

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Date: Monday, January 24, 2000 12:34 PM
Subject: RE: EMC Circuit Board Design


>Very good contribution Robert,
>
>One enhancement to point  7:
>
>It's the current edge that you want to reduce in speed, not the voltage
edge
>!!!
>
>This is something very generic in EMC: Look at the current, not the voltage
>!!
>
>Regards,
>
>Gert Gremmen
>
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EN61000-4-11

[fwhitfield]

EN 61000-4-11 states that the rise/fall time for a test generator used 
to perform a voltage abnormalities test (i.e. dips, variations etc 
should be between 1 and 5 microseconds.)

 Does anyone know of a generator that meets this criterion? I have 
come across a few but they typically cannot be programmed to work with 
rise/fall times less than 0.1 milliseconds(i.e. 100 microseconds). 
Thanks for your usual co-operation.

John F. Whitfield


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RE: Absorption Clamp

[WOODS]

Try Fischer Custom Communications. www.fischercc.com
 

Richard Woods

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Does anyone out there know of a source(s) through which I may
purchase an absorption clamp used to test in the EN50083-2 standard??? Are
these items available for rent? I am looking to debug and pre-comply with
this clamp in-house.  

Michael S. Davis
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ADC Broadband Communications
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RE: EMC Circuit Board Design

[cetest]

Very good contribution Robert,

One enhancement to point  7:

It's the current edge that you want to reduce in speed, not the voltage edge
!!!

This is something very generic in EMC: Look at the current, not the voltage
!!

Regards,

Gert Gremmen

ce-test, qualified testing

>-Original Message-
>From: owner-emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:owner-emc-p...@ieee.org]On Behalf
>Of Robert Macy
>Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2000 8:42 PM
>To: rehel...@mmm.com; emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
>Subject: Re: EMC Circuit Board Design
>
>
>
>Here are a set of rules worth recommending:
>
>Engineering design checks:
>1  Avoid "spaghetti logic" block diagram.  Make certain there's a good flow
>of functionality across and around the PCB.  This includes using
>the concept
>of transferring INFORMATION not ENERGY (except where one must, like with
>clock distribution, but even then, if the clock goes a long way, use a
>buffer)
>2  ABSOLUTELY check the design for bus "contention".  Not the debilitating
>kind that stops the functionality, but that pesky little 1 nS of overlap
>from sloppy digital design.  It's like using two make-before-break switches
>for a 3 way light bulb in your home.  It will all work, but you will get
>some dramatic action at each transition.
>
>PCB Layout:
>1  Go on and off the board along one edge as close together as possible.
>*IF* a connection must come on or off from some where else make it a high
>common mode impedance connection with beads (for dc leads) and common mode
>chokes for higher frequency signals.  On the PCB reference the trace(s) to
>CHASSIS gnd area where the traces have been isolated by going through high
>impedances. Bridge between chassis referenced area to PCB gnd referenced
>area using the high impedance component.
>2  Interleave PWR GND and SIGNAL GND traces at the connectors to
>lower their
>impedances.  Particularly high speed lines need their own gnd returns.
>3  Use short runs, few "meandering" traces.
>4  Bypass caps: use all the same value, the thermal relief pads
>all the same
>dimensions.
>5  Have traces maintain good distances between edges and cutouts.  [This to
>insure a good low impedance ground return path for current.]
>6  On particularly "hot" traces include the ground return path and don't
>(unless absolutely necessary) "jump" layers.  Use 2 traces, if possible and
>if you must jump layers (like bus lines) add 2 ground vias around
>the signal
>via.
>7  Lower the rise time to minimum speeds with SERIES source terminations.
>Use a resistor 22-50 in series plus a bead if you have room.   DO NOT EVER
>LOWER THE RISE TIME OF A LOW IMPEDANCE SOURCE WITH A CAPACITOR.
>8 Keep high speed traces inside the layers, don't route them on
>the surface,
>you'll reduce the radiation by around 14 dB.
>9 Stack up the board with traces as close to the GND & VCC planes as
>possible (like 4-5 mils even for a 4, or 6 layer board)  This will
>lower the
>impedance of the trace *and* reduce crosstalk.
>10  Use minimum number of vias to prevent turning the GND & VCC planes into
>Swiss cheese.  Sometimes blind vias will help.
>11  Where the traces for the bus lines turn and jump layers, don't allow
>your PCB designer to line up all the vias with the vias so close that they
>create a cutout slot!  Stagger the vias' positions, or do
>something, to make
>certain there's room for adequate metal between each via.
>12  Discourage the use of high speed clocks such as 125MHz, 1.25GHz, etc.
>with the argument that using such high speed clocks demonstrates a
>designer's weakness because he can't make his design work with slower
>clocks.  Demand the clock frequency be no higher than 20MHz, because we all
>know how to solve those problems.  
>
>- Robert -
>
>-Original Message-
>From: rehel...@mmm.com 
>To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org 
>Date: Friday, January 21, 2000 5:39 AM
>Subject: EMC Circuit Board Design
>
>
>>Dear List-Members,
>>
>>I am requesting information/opinions/etc. on the following:
>>
>>When circuit boards are designed, what are the common mistakes that the
>>circuit board designers make regarding EMC (multi-layer boards in
>>particular)?
>>
>>You can respond to me directly but I would prefer a response to
>the list as
>>I believe that the question is of interest to many on this list-server. In
>>either event I will compile the responses and resend the
>compilation later.
>>
>>Thanks for your time,
>>
>>Bob Heller
>>3M Company
>>
>
>
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RE: source for blank test reports

[Kevin Robinson]

You can obtain both of these reports (and many more) from
http://www.cbscheme.org/cbtrep.htm   .  It has been
some time since we have obtained blank test reports, but as I recall, there
was a  fairly reasonable fee for the reports and many of them could be
E-mailed to you.

Hope this helps.

Kevin Robinson
Project Engineer/QA
MET Laboratories
Phone: (410) 354-3300x361
Fax: (410) 354-3313
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[SMTP:dirk_at...@yahoo.com]
Sent:   Monday, January 24, 2000 1:42 PM
To: barrym; Emc-Pstc (E-mail)
Cc: emc-p...@ieee.org
Subject:Re: source for blank test
reports


Following up on Barry's request, how about a CB
format
blank report form for EN60950?  Do you have to buy
it
somewhere, or is it freely downloadable? 

Dirk

--- barrym  wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi, I'm looking for a blank test report,
preferably
> in CB format, for
> EN50091-1-1, if anybody has a suggestion where to
> look, it would be
> appreciated.
> 
> Barry Marks
> 
> 
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Absorption Clamp

[Davis, Mike]

Does anyone out there know of a source(s) through which I may purchase an 
absorption clamp used to test in the EN50083-2 standard??? Are these items 
available for rent? I am looking to debug and pre-comply with this clamp 
in-house.  

Michael S. Davis
Compliance Engineer
ADC Broadband Communications
11 Fairfield Boulevard
Wallingford, CT 06492
203 630-5788
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99 EMC Encyclopedia - CD-ROM (at no charge)

[Art Michael]

Hello All,

Today we received a few hundred courtesy copies (For free distribution) of
the "99 EMC, Telecom and Computer CD-ROM".  This CD-ROM contains the
entire (752+ printed pages) '99 version of the encyclopedia in addition to
a number of useful files and links to advertisers' materials. It is
published by emi-emf control, Inc.  (Don White - et al). It is truly a
useful and current resource. We are offering them (first-call) to the PSTC
listserver members; 

If you'd like a copy, please send us a large SASE (Self Addressed Stamped
Envelope) [8 1/2" X 11" or A4], bearing suitable US Postage (US$1.00 for
the US or Canada, US$2.60 or IRCs for 3 ounces for other locations).
And, if you'd put one of your business cards in the envelope, that would
be appreciated (and will assure that we send it to the correct address).

Other than that, and one per address, - no strings attached (of course,
you must be among the first 200 SASEs rec'd). 

ThanX and Regards, Art Michael

Int'l Product Safety Bookshop
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Art:

I completely support your idea for disposition of those CD-ROMs. A posted
offer for these is not a commercial activity and is a fully appropriate
post. Thank you for providing this service to our Listmembers.

I'll be sending you my envelope tomorrow!

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Re: source for blank test reports

[Dirk Atama]

Following up on Barry's request, how about a CB format
blank report form for EN60950?  Do you have to buy it
somewhere, or is it freely downloadable? 

Dirk

--- barrym  wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi, I'm looking for a blank test report, preferably
> in CB format, for
> EN50091-1-1, if anybody has a suggestion where to
> look, it would be
> appreciated.
> 
> Barry Marks
> 
> 
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Full Compliance Versus Pre-Compliance Measurement Systems

[Sandy Mazzola]

To all,

Could someone please layout the Fullcompliance EMI Measurement system 
versus Pre-Compliance EMI Measurement system tradeoffs.  Some thoughts on when 
each one is required and when one could get by with the  pre-compliance setup 
would be especially helpful.  I know this may be a repeat but any thoughts on 
the matter would be appreciated.

   Thanks in advance for any inputs.


Thank You
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Non lead solder Arrrrrrgh

[Peter Lewis]

Mark,

Thank you for your informative and humorous posting.  May I take the
opportunity of asking to be kept informed re the lead-free solder debate? 
Like you I worry about  silver leaching, and more.

Incidently, my father is/was a (master) plumber, so he knows a thing or two
about soldering, and has come to my rescue on more than one occasion, e.g.
by sweating a lead pipe to a copper one until the water board could turn up
to make the final connection (ten weeks later!).

Regards

Peter Lewis

Who knows what you get back when you press button-B

Message text written by Mark
>As a supplement to the recent lead thread, the latest issue of 
Electronics Manufacturing Products (a UK trade paper) has a 
minor headline "It's tin-silver-copper".  The Printed Circuit 
Interconnect Federation and  International Tin Research Institute 
have apparently chosen to recommend Sn-Ag-Cu as a general 
multipurpose replacement for tin-lead for hand, wave and surface 
mount soldering, as well as in "difficult products".  Six UK solder 
suppliers are backing it, as well as the IPC (Association 
Connecting Electronics Industries) (?!) and National Electronics 
Manufacturing Industries.

The final interesting point is that the chosen alloys can be used 
to solder components/PCBs with tin lead finishes. Having had 
problems with silver leaching in the past, I have filled in the 
paper's bingo style enquiry card to find out more, as they say.

But it does seem that the soldering industry is quite a long way 
down the road to getting rid of lead, in the UK at least.  If 
anyone's still interested in the subject, I'll post more when I get 
some information.

Regards, Mark

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Re: SAE Standards

[Martin Rowe (TMW)]

SAE J1113 series cover immunity of engine control units. I'm
writing an article that summarazes the tests. It will apprear in
the February 15 issue. You can download them at www.sae.org (PDF
format, but each test spec (there are about 20) costs $59 to
download. I downloaded three of the specs for my article.

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> Subject: SAE Standards
> Date: Monday, January 24, 2000 10:59 AM
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Could anyone tell me what SAE standards govern product EMC
emissions and
> immunity for "after market" devices? These would be devices
installed into
> vehicles after the vehicle has been sold.
> 
> The device in question is a guidance system for snowplows
enabling them to
> remain on the road in the presence of deep snow. The device is
an 'advisory
> only' system for the driver. It does not control any vehicle
function.
> 
> If there are no specific SAE standards, which SAE standards
would a
> conscientious manufacturer adhere to?
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RE: Competent Authorities

[Ned Devine]

Hi Mark,

No.  The MDD, Article 14 address this.  You only have to register with the
CO of the country where you have your authorized representative.   But, I
have heard that some countries have passed national laws requiring you to
register all devices. 

Ned Devine
Entela, Inc.
Program Manager III
Phone 616 248 9671
Fax  616 574 9752
e-mail  ndev...@entela.com 



Article 14

Registration of persons responsible for placing devices on
the market

1.  Any manufacturer who, under his own name, places devices on the
market in accordance with the procedures referred to in Article 11 (5) and
(6) and any other natural or legal person engaged in the activities referred
to in Article 12 shall inform the competent authorities of the Member State
in which he has his registered place of business of the address of the
registered place of business and the description of the devices concerned.

2.   Where a manufacturer who places devices referred to in paragraph I on
the market under his own name does not have a registered place of business
in a Member State, he shall designate the person(s) responsible for
marketing them who is (are) established in the community  These persons
shall inform the competent authorities of the Member State in which they
have their registered place of business of the address of the registered
place of business and the category of devices concerned.

3.  The Member States shall on request inform the other Member States
and the Commission of the details referred to in paragraphs 1 and 2.

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From: Mark Schmidt [mailto:mschm...@xrite.com]
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Subject: Competent Authorities



Dear Members,

In the EEC if I register a Class I Medical Device with a Competent Authority
in one Membered State, must I register with other Competent Authorities as
we eventually market product their State. All input is appreciated.

Regards,

Mark Schmidt
X-Rite Incorporated
Grandville, MI  
U.S.A.

mschm...@xrite.com
phone - 616 257 2469





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E-Field Probe Question

[Martin Rowe (TMW)]

I need clarification on a spec for an e-field probe. The spec is
"Tr less than 10 Hz."

What is Tr? 

The probe is specified in SAE J1113/27 "Electromagnetic
Compatibility Measurements Procedure for Vehicle Components:
Part 27:Immunity to Radiated Electromagnetic
Fields-Reverberation Method."

Thanks,

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Competent Authorities

[Mark Schmidt]

Dear Members,

In the EEC if I register a Class I Medical Device with a Competent Authority
in one Membered State, must I register with other Competent Authorities as
we eventually market product their State. All input is appreciated.

Regards,

Mark Schmidt
X-Rite Incorporated
Grandville, MI  
U.S.A.

mschm...@xrite.com
phone - 616 257 2469





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source for blank test reports

[barrym]

Hi, I'm looking for a blank test report, preferably in CB format, for
EN50091-1-1, if anybody has a suggestion where to look, it would be
appreciated.

Barry Marks



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SAE Standards

[reheller]

Could anyone tell me what SAE standards govern product EMC emissions and
immunity for "after market" devices? These would be devices installed into
vehicles after the vehicle has been sold.

The device in question is a guidance system for snowplows enabling them to
remain on the road in the presence of deep snow. The device is an 'advisory
only' system for the driver. It does not control any vehicle function.

If there are no specific SAE standards, which SAE standards would a
conscientious manufacturer adhere to?



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RE:

[teckert]

IHS - Global Documents is a good source for any compliance document.  They
have documents from most of the major compliance agencies.  They carry
everything from UL and EN standards all the way to John Deere supplier
standards.

http://global.ihs.com/

Ted Eckert
Regulatory Compliance Engineer
American Power Conversion Corporation
teck...@apcc.com

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writer and are only provided for the assistance of the reader.  The writer
is not speaking in an official capacity for APC nor representing APC's
official position on any matter.

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Re:copy of EN 50126

[Paul J Smith]

Susan,

>From the following site I have included related text for your subject request.

Best Regards,   Paul J. Smith , Teradyne

http://eur-op.eu.int/en/general/s-ad.htm



"  Sales networks

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 Using the above legend, please choose the sales agent
 which best suits your needs.

 Requests for free publications should be addressed to the
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"Beard, Susan"  on 01/24/2000 08:31:45 AM

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Can someone tell where I can get a copy of EN 50126?

Thanks,
Susan Beard

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RE:

[Dick Grobner]

You can purchase them from:

Simcom International, L.L.C.
Atlanta GA
770-730-9980
www.eurocom.com

These people have been the most affordable in the past.
Standards received in a couple of days - US Mail.
Good Luck!
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Thanks,
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[Beard, Susan]

Can someone tell where I can get a copy of EN 50126?

Thanks,
Susan Beard

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RE: Fiber optics Issue

[John Juhasz]

Carmen,

I'm not familiar with IEC 65, but for EN 60950 an attachment of a laser
safety report to the EN 60950 report is typical. There is no requirement in
IEC 825 (a.k.a. EN 60825)for use of a 'certified' laser lab. But as with
many specifications, it is to your adavantage to use an independent 3-rd
party laboratory, as there would less questions as to impartiality.
Also note, that IEC 825 also applies to products that use LED-based optics,
not just lasers.

For 21 CFR, you MUST file a report with the CDRH for laser products (no LEDs
yet in the US).
There is a special form that must be completed that forms the report. 
Additionally, the CDRH requires an 'annual report' which is to be received
by them in September.

John Juhasz
Fiber Options
Bohemia, NY


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From: Carmen.Filimon [mailto:carmen.fili...@leitch.com]
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Subject: Fiber optics Issue




Please, could anyone give me some advice regarding the fiber optics?
As I know the IEC 825-1 (and CFR Title 21 for US) and IEC 825-2 are used as
reference lasers safety standards. 
What' s the procedure for certification process of a product (certified with
IEC 65) which incorporate fiber optics (as both source and receiver on the
same module).
Is it requested an IEC 825-1 report attached to the IEC 65 report (what kind
of measurements) made by a certified Laser Lab?
Or is it enough just a statement from the laser products manufacturer with
the proper classification and affixed on the shipping box the warning label
with the statement of Class 1 or any other, according to IEC 825-1 or CFR
21. 

I want to know more about the from your experience. Thank you for any idea
or advice,

Best regards, 
Carmen
Leitch Technology Int'l

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Re: MIL-STD-45662

[rayg]

Lucian,

Try http://www.dodssp.daps.mil/


regards 

Ray Garner

RCIC - http://www.rcic.com
Regulatory Compliance Information Center




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