UL 61010A-1

[MartinJP]

Greetings,

I recently heard that UL released UL 61010A-1 which is their version of EN
61010-1. It is my understanding that this standard will replace UL 3101-1.

Does anyone know if the UL version is identical to EN 61010-1: 2001?   What
is the status for the withdrawal of UL 3101-1?

All responses are appreciated.

Regards

Joe Martin
EMC/Product Safety Engineer
Applied Biosystems
marti...@appliedbiosystems.com




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RE: Let's change the topic to something more descriptive Re: stun guns onaircraft

[Gary McInturff]

I also find it very easy to set up a rule that throws e-mail from specific 
names/destinations straight into the electronic trashcan. Put it to good use on 
this once promising but now useless thread.
Gary

-Original Message-
From: Penny D. Robbins [mailto:probb...@telcordia.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 10:26 AM
To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
Subject: Let's change the topic to something more descriptive Re: stun
guns onaircraft



Folks-
For those of us who care to know the real info about the original topic -
stun guns and the RF problems they cause on aircraft, how about changing
your subject line. Let's have everyone who wants to give their opinions
about who should and shouldn't own guns and what the real problem is with
society change the subject line to something more reflective of the topic
at hand. How about: "Guns - Pro or Con?"
It certainly would make reading though and filtering out the information we
want to see easier.
Penny
- Forwarded by Penny D. Robbins/Telcordia on 05/07/02 01:20 PM -

  
"Robert Wilson" 
  
  cc: (bcc: Penny D. 
Robbins/Telcordia) 
Subject: RE: stun guns on 
aircraft
05/07/02 12:41  
  
PM  
  
Please respond  
  
to "Robert  
  
Wilson" 
  

  

  






"Crime rates drop drastically in nations where guns are freely owned by
the PUBLIC"?? I suppose this explains why the US has a murder rate some
10 to 20 times that of western Europe, and whose extreme violent crime
rates make it a pariah in the eyes of so many other nations? And where
do you think the "criminal approaching your wife with a gun" managed to
get a gun in the first place? Could it be because he lives in a country
that believes owning a gun should be a citizen's right? Nah! Couldn't
possibly be a connection!

Reminds me of a cartoon I once saw, where Uncle Sam is pointing a gun at
himself and has just managed to shoot another hole through his head. The
caption is "Damn! It did it again! I wonder what causes that?"

Ah, well, what else can one expect from yet another "proud member of the
NRA". Certainly not rational thinking when it comes to playing with toys
that go bang.

I'll get off my soap box now.

Bob Wilson
TIR Systems Ltd.
Vancouver.

-Original Message-
From: Sam Davis [mailto:sda...@ptitest.com]
Sent: May 7, 2002 6:51 AM
To: Gert Gremmen; Pettit, Ghery; 'Ted Rook'; <
Subject: RE: stun guns on aircraft


This has nothing to do with EMC or Product safety, but with personal and
public safety.

I'm with Ghery.  Gert, your misrepresentation of his statement is
ludicrous.
Statistics bear this out.  Crime rates drop drastically in nations where
guns are freely owned by the PUBLIC.  Look at Australia.  The gov't took
the
gun ownership rights away, and violent crime rose horribly.

Guns are not only offensive weapons, but defensive weapons as well.  If
some
criminal approaches your wife with a gun, would you prefer her to have a
pistol, or a whistle?

What do you want your cops to defend your streets with?  What about your
military, to guard your ability to go to work, make a living, support
your
family, without having to worry if you'll be a captive prisoner of war,
or
worse?  What about the security force at your airport?

Guns even the playing field.

When you outlaw guns, only outlaws have guns.  Law abiding citizens turn
them in, and can no longer defend their homes with the NECESSARY force.
Fortunately, I live in a locale where gun ownership is not only allowed,
but
almost expected.  Statistically, there are more guns than people per
household.  There is also a very low rate of home invasion.
Since concealed carry permits have been issued, all violent crimes have
dropped.

Hijackers take planes because law-abiding travelers are not packing
heat.

I own multiple guns, legally, and I pray I never have to fire them in
self
defense, but I pray I don't have to use my A

RE: Re[2]: Thermal Testing

[Michael Taylor]

We also use the 34970A for data acquisition with HP BenchLink for our safety
testing and are very pleased with it's performance and ease of use.  We also
have a Hydra II system which mostly gathers dust now.  The 34970 / BenchLink
system is so much easier to setup & use.  Also the data log is a snap to
link into a Word report.
For what it's worth.
Michael Taylor
Colorado

-Original Message-
From: duncan.ho...@snellwilcox.com [mailto:duncan.ho...@snellwilcox.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 2:46 AM
To: EMC-PSTC Discussion Group; richwo...@tycoint.com
Subject: Re[2]: Thermal Testing


Richard,

We use an Agilent 34970A data aquisition unit with three 34901A 20
channel mux modules fitted. This is not a PC card but a rack and stack
instrument about the size of a bench DVM that connects to the PC via a
serial cable. It also comes with the software. Very similar to the fluke
hydra II.

This has proven to be an excellent instrument and well worth the investment.
Most other equipment of the same price could only offer around 10 channels
of measurement whereas this allows up to 60. It is also modular so you only
need buy as many 20 channel mux modules as you need.

Regards,

Duncan



Reply Separator
Subject: Re: Thermal Testing
Author: Doug   McKean
List-Post: emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org
Date: 5/6/2002 22:11


richwo...@tycoint.com   wrote: 
> 
> Do any of you monitor and record component temperatures during safety
> testing using PCs and data capture I/O cards? If so, what hardware and
> software to you use?

I do any monitoring any temp testing with a Fluke Hydra II and 
associated PC software. Set up and define probes, start software, 
dump into an Excel spreadsheet or report.  Communication between 
the Fluke and the PC is done through serial ports.  - Doug McKean 



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RE: Re[2]: Thermal Testing

[Ned Devine]

Hi,
 
We have 6 of the systems.  We use them not only for temperature measurement,
but data logging for fixtures we build.
 
The only complaint is that you can not control more that one unit using the
BenchLink software.  You can use the HP-IP bus to control more than one, but
then you need to write software.  
 
We have also had a problem with data dropping (1 or 2 readings out of a
scan), but only at high speed and to a notebook PC.  We assumed it was a
function of the RS-232 bus.
 
Ned
 
Ned Devine 
Program Manager 
Entela, Inc. 
3033 Madison Ave. SE 
Grand Rapids, MI  49548 
1 616 248 9671 Phone 
1 616 574 9752 Fax 
ndev...@entela.com e-mail 

Entela, Inc. A Certified Woman Owned Business 
www.entela.com 



-Original Message-
From: richwo...@tycoint.com [mailto:richwo...@tycoint.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 12:39 PM
To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
Subject: RE: Re[2]: Thermal Testing


This almost appears to be too good to be true. Let's see if I have this
right.
 
34970A Data Acquisition/Switch Unit with software, $1290
34901A 20 Channel Mux, $395
34307A Thermocouple kit with 10 thermocouples, $98
 
Total for a 20 channel thermocouple system is $1881.
 
That's cheap! OK, what is wrong with this picture (if anything)? Anyone have
anything negative to say about this system?
 
Richard Woods 
Sensormatic Electronics 
Tyco International 

 
 
 -Original Message-
From: Michael Taylor [mailto:mtay...@hach.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 10:23 AM
To: 'duncan.ho...@snellwilcox.com'; EMC-PSTC Discussion Group;
richwo...@tycoint.com
Subject: RE: Re[2]: Thermal Testing



We also use the 34970A for data acquisition with HP BenchLink for our safety
testing and are very pleased with it's performance and ease of use.  We also
have a Hydra II system which mostly gathers dust now.  The 34970 / BenchLink
system is so much easier to setup & use.  Also the data log is a snap to
link into a Word report.
For what it's worth.
Michael Taylor
Colorado

-Original Message-
From: duncan.ho...@snellwilcox.com [mailto:duncan.ho...@snellwilcox.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 2:46 AM
To: EMC-PSTC Discussion Group; richwo...@tycoint.com
Subject: Re[2]: Thermal Testing


Richard,

We use an Agilent 34970A data aquisition unit with three 34901A 20
channel mux modules fitted. This is not a PC card but a rack and stack
instrument about the size of a bench DVM that connects to the PC via a
serial cable. It also comes with the software. Very similar to the fluke
hydra II.

This has proven to be an excellent instrument and well worth the investment.
Most other equipment of the same price could only offer around 10 channels
of measurement whereas this allows up to 60. It is also modular so you only
need buy as many 20 channel mux modules as you need.

Regards,

Duncan



Reply Separator
Subject: Re: Thermal Testing
Author: Doug McKean  
List-Post: emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org
Date: 5/6/2002 22:11


richwo...@tycoint.com   wrote: 
> 
> Do any of you monitor and record component temperatures during safety
> testing using PCs and data capture I/O cards? If so, what hardware and
> software to you use?

I do any monitoring any temp testing with a Fluke Hydra II and 
associated PC software. Set up and define probes, start software, 
dump into an Excel spreadsheet or report.  Communication between 
the Fluke and the PC is done through serial ports.  - Doug McKean 



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Draft DIN VDE 0848-3-1 of May 2002

[richwoods]

The subject draft on protection of persons with implanted medical devices
from EM fields has been issued for comment. Unfortunately, all I have is a
scanned German language document, so I can't use an electronic translator
(tried OCR and got a useless result). Does anyone have a Word, PDF or other
text type document of this draft or know how I can obtain one?

Richard Woods
Sensormatic Electronics
Tyco International


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RE: Re[2]: Thermal Testing

[Gary McInturff]

It probably gets better, you just don't know it yet. Many of these systems, we 
use a Fluke unit, can also perform other functions, E, I and strain gauges with 
the same basic chassis. You just add other modules if you want. Most will have 
a network connection so that you can monitor remotely etc.
Gary

-Original Message-
From: richwo...@tycoint.com [mailto:richwo...@tycoint.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 9:39 AM
To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
Subject: RE: Re[2]: Thermal Testing


This almost appears to be too good to be true. Let's see if I have this right.
 
34970A Data Acquisition/Switch Unit with software, $1290
34901A 20 Channel Mux, $395
34307A Thermocouple kit with 10 thermocouples, $98
 
Total for a 20 channel thermocouple system is $1881.
 
That's cheap! OK, what is wrong with this picture (if anything)? Anyone have 
anything negative to say about this system?
 
Richard Woods 
Sensormatic Electronics 
Tyco International 

 
 
 -Original Message-
From: Michael Taylor [mailto:mtay...@hach.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 10:23 AM
To: 'duncan.ho...@snellwilcox.com'; EMC-PSTC Discussion Group; 
richwo...@tycoint.com
Subject: RE: Re[2]: Thermal Testing



We also use the 34970A for data acquisition with HP BenchLink for our safety 
testing and are very pleased with it's performance and ease of use.  We also 
have a Hydra II system which mostly gathers dust now.  The 34970 / BenchLink 
system is so much easier to setup & use.  Also the data log is a snap to link 
into a Word report.
For what it's worth.
Michael Taylor
Colorado

-Original Message-
From: duncan.ho...@snellwilcox.com [mailto:duncan.ho...@snellwilcox.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 2:46 AM
To: EMC-PSTC Discussion Group; richwo...@tycoint.com
Subject: Re[2]: Thermal Testing


Richard,

We use an Agilent 34970A data aquisition unit with three 34901A 20 channel 
mux modules fitted. This is not a PC card but a rack and stack instrument about 
the size of a bench DVM that connects to the PC via a serial cable. It also 
comes with the software. Very similar to the fluke hydra II.

This has proven to be an excellent instrument and well worth the investment. 
Most other equipment of the same price could only offer around 10 channels of 
measurement whereas this allows up to 60. It is also modular so you only need 
buy as many 20 channel mux modules as you need.

Regards,

Duncan



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Subject: Re: Thermal Testing
Author: Doug McKean  
List-Post: emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org
Date: 5/6/2002 22:11


richwo...@tycoint.com wrote: 
> 
> Do any of you monitor and record component temperatures during safety
> testing using PCs and data capture I/O cards? If so, what hardware and
> software to you use?

I do any monitoring any temp testing with a Fluke Hydra II and 
associated PC software. Set up and define probes, start software, 
dump into an Excel spreadsheet or report.  Communication between 
the Fluke and the PC is done through serial ports.  - Doug McKean 



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Re: stun guns on aircraft

[Jim Freeman]

I don't feel embarassed. As a matter of fact, I feel proud that the US has
found a medium between suppression and freedom of expression.
How come every one in the world looks to the US for leadership in
conflicts? Probably because the ROW(rest of world) has never figured it
out.

Jim Freeman


Robert Wilson wrote:

> "Free men own guns". Yeah right. The true mark of a civilized country is
> that its citizens all own guns. Never been anywhere else, have you? It
> is just this sort if immature 19th century frontier mentality that is
> embarrassing the US in the eyes of the rest of the world.
>
> Bob Wilson
> TIR Systems Ltd.
> Vancouver.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Pettit, Ghery [mailto:ghery.pet...@intel.com]
> Sent: May 6, 2002 4:24 PM
> To: 'Ted Rook'; <
> Subject: RE: stun guns on aircraft
>
> I've resisted jumping in in this fashion, but -
>
> FREE MEN OWN GUNS!
>
> Those who will trade essential freedoms for temporary security deserve
> neither - Benjamin Franklin.
>
> Folks, the 2nd Amendment pre-dates the wild west by a long time.  Those
> of
> us who value our RIGHTS are tired of the wimps in the world trying to
> take
> them away.
>
> Ghery S. Pettit
> Life Member, National Rifle Association
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Ted Rook [mailto:t...@crestaudio.com]
> Sent: Monday, May 06, 2002 1:08 PM
> To: <
> Subject: stun guns on aircraft
>
> and other safety considerations
>
> keep the hijackers off planes using ground security
>
> an airplane in flight is not the place to have gun fights
>
> too many lives are at risk
>
> the first priority is to get the plane safely on the ground, anywhere
>
> then at least the passengers have a chance
>
> Most citizens of most countries enjoy the security that comes from
> having
> thrashed out land rights, territorial disputes, and the systems of law
> and
> law enforcement before firearms were invented.
>
> America is one of the few places in the West that relies on firearms as
> a
> negotiating tool.
> This is poor judgement.
> Firearms are offensive weapons not negotiating tools.
> Giving someone a gun escalates an already dangerous situation.
> Now you want the pilot to not only assure the safety of the plane but
> also
> be an effective executioner.
> Asking too much IMHO.
> Unfortunately America was taken by force and is defended by force and is
> unlikely ever to change.
>
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RE: What Every Startup Needs to Know About NEBS

[GHojan]

I can't resist getting in on this one. 
 
In a previous life, I worked for a laboratory in Canada (who will remain
nameless to protect the innocent, and those of you who might know who I
might be talking about, please keep it to yourself). We did some pretty
interesting stuff there. Here are just a few examples:
 
1) Manual automotive jacks, the straight ones that used to hook into the
bumper. Had to pour a couple of 4000 pound blocks of concrete and set them
on a custom built "A", the top of the "A" was hinged to the floor, the other
end was the end lifted. I remember one of our engineers had to crank the 8
models of jacks up and down about 250 cycles each. If that wasn't bad
enough, some of the jacks were over six feet in height, can you imagine a
thin jack with a load of over 8000 pounds on it at a height of six feet. I
remember the jack bowing quite badly, but meeting the performance spec. We
then had to add lead blocks until the units failed. Spectacular. One time
while the engineer was using a 20 foot long bar to pump the lever on the
jack, his grip slipped and the bar flew up, broke off of the jack, sailed
through the air, breaking fluorescent fixtures as it went, and smashed
through one of the warehouse windows.
 
2) Fireplace insert failure. After a catastrophic failure, the two story
wooden test jig inside the warehouse caught on fire. Scrambling for hoses
and extinguishers.
 
3) Gas fireplace vent flap failure test. We simulated what would happen in
the case where gas was being pumped into the fireplace, the igniter was
taking it's sweet time, AND the vent flap for the explosion failed. These
were a blast (pun intended). As the units got larger, the blasts got
stronger. These tests were conducted after hours because of the danger
associated with the catastrophic failure. We had one inch acrylic screens
with holes in them from shrapnel. One time, I remember the blocks all the
way around the test room (a cinder block room with relief venting) door
being pushed out two inches because the blast was so strong and the venting
wasn't sufficient any more for the sizes of fireplaces being tested, we
reengineered the entire room for larger blasts.
 
4) My personal favorite. Building curtain wall testing. Outside behind the
warehouse we had a three story structure to attach the curtain wall (glass
enclosure system on large office buildings which just attaches to the steel
and concrete from of the building) to, the structure was made air tight so
that we could create a vacuum inside of the test jig to test for pressure
changes and water leaks. The rig in front of the curtain wall was a rain
curtain to simulate rain, and a DC3 engine (if memory serves me) mounted to
an A frame directly in front of the structure but behind the rain curtain.
We would fire up the DC3 and get about a 140 mile an hour wind going. It was
an awesome noisy site to behold.
 
Anyway, those are just a few of what this biz has to offer. I am sure there
are many extremely interesting stories out there. Someone should write a
book on them.
 
Best regards,
Garry Hojan
VP-West/ Director of Telecom
TUV America Inc.
Product Service, Management Service, Industry Service, Automotive, BABT
P: 408-919-3759
F: 408-919-0585
C: 408-373-7475
http://www.tuvamerica.com/  
 
View our seminars online at http://www.tuvamerica.com/seminars
 
 
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Opinions expressed in this forum are not of TUV America but are my own
personal opinions.
 
 
-Original Message-
From: Dave Lorusso [mailto:dave.loru...@genband.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 7:30 AM
To: 'Robert Wilson'
Cc: emc-p...@ieee.org
Subject: RE: What Every Startup Needs to Know About NEBS
 
I showed a film clip of failing the fire resistance test at the last Verizon
NEBS Symposium ( www.verizonnebs.com  ), you're
right, it was a big hit.  Before I showed it, I asked the audience "How many
of you played with fire when you were a kid?".  At least 2/3 of the audience
raised their hands.  Not too surprising from a group of compliance
professionals who burn stuff for a living.  The fire resistance test is
definitely my all time favorite compliance test - the seismic test is a
close second.
 
Best regards,
 
Dave
 
-Original Message-
From: Robert Wilson [mailto:robert_wil...@tirsys.com]
Sent: Monday, May 06, 2002 7:38 PM
To: emc-p...@ieee.org
Subject: RE: What Every Startup Needs to Know About NEBS
 
You never showed photos of the NEBS flame test! Nothing like burning your
equipment to a crisp with a 1 foot high flame from a line burner, for good
entertainment :)
 
Bob Wilson 
TIR Systems Ltd. 
Vancouver. 
-Original Message-
From: Dave Lorusso [mailto:dave.loru...@genband.com] 
Sent: May 6, 2002 3:11 PM
To: 'emc-p...@ieee.org'
Cc: 't...@world.std.com'; 'n...@world.std.com'
Subject: What E

Let's change the topic to something more descriptive Re: stun guns on aircraft

[Penny D. Robbins]

Folks-
For those of us who care to know the real info about the original topic -
stun guns and the RF problems they cause on aircraft, how about changing
your subject line. Let's have everyone who wants to give their opinions
about who should and shouldn't own guns and what the real problem is with
society change the subject line to something more reflective of the topic
at hand. How about: "Guns - Pro or Con?"
It certainly would make reading though and filtering out the information we
want to see easier.
Penny
- Forwarded by Penny D. Robbins/Telcordia on 05/07/02 01:20 PM -

  
"Robert Wilson" 
  
  cc: (bcc: Penny D. 
Robbins/Telcordia) 
Subject: RE: stun guns on 
aircraft
05/07/02 12:41  
  
PM  
  
Please respond  
  
to "Robert  
  
Wilson" 
  

  

  






"Crime rates drop drastically in nations where guns are freely owned by
the PUBLIC"?? I suppose this explains why the US has a murder rate some
10 to 20 times that of western Europe, and whose extreme violent crime
rates make it a pariah in the eyes of so many other nations? And where
do you think the "criminal approaching your wife with a gun" managed to
get a gun in the first place? Could it be because he lives in a country
that believes owning a gun should be a citizen's right? Nah! Couldn't
possibly be a connection!

Reminds me of a cartoon I once saw, where Uncle Sam is pointing a gun at
himself and has just managed to shoot another hole through his head. The
caption is "Damn! It did it again! I wonder what causes that?"

Ah, well, what else can one expect from yet another "proud member of the
NRA". Certainly not rational thinking when it comes to playing with toys
that go bang.

I'll get off my soap box now.

Bob Wilson
TIR Systems Ltd.
Vancouver.

-Original Message-
From: Sam Davis [mailto:sda...@ptitest.com]
Sent: May 7, 2002 6:51 AM
To: Gert Gremmen; Pettit, Ghery; 'Ted Rook'; <
Subject: RE: stun guns on aircraft


This has nothing to do with EMC or Product safety, but with personal and
public safety.

I'm with Ghery.  Gert, your misrepresentation of his statement is
ludicrous.
Statistics bear this out.  Crime rates drop drastically in nations where
guns are freely owned by the PUBLIC.  Look at Australia.  The gov't took
the
gun ownership rights away, and violent crime rose horribly.

Guns are not only offensive weapons, but defensive weapons as well.  If
some
criminal approaches your wife with a gun, would you prefer her to have a
pistol, or a whistle?

What do you want your cops to defend your streets with?  What about your
military, to guard your ability to go to work, make a living, support
your
family, without having to worry if you'll be a captive prisoner of war,
or
worse?  What about the security force at your airport?

Guns even the playing field.

When you outlaw guns, only outlaws have guns.  Law abiding citizens turn
them in, and can no longer defend their homes with the NECESSARY force.
Fortunately, I live in a locale where gun ownership is not only allowed,
but
almost expected.  Statistically, there are more guns than people per
household.  There is also a very low rate of home invasion.
Since concealed carry permits have been issued, all violent crimes have
dropped.

Hijackers take planes because law-abiding travelers are not packing
heat.

I own multiple guns, legally, and I pray I never have to fire them in
self
defense, but I pray I don't have to use my AD&D policy either.

BTW, Ted, your statement "Unfortunately America was taken by force and
is
defended by force and is unlikely ever to change", I disagree with your
first syllable.  The reason we're the prime superpower is because the
world
knows we will use it if we have to.  The reason our allies like us is
because we've got their back, (and we've thrown billions of dollars to
bail
them out without actually expecting payback, but that's a completely

Re: stun guns on aircraft

[Fred Townsend]

Peter: Let me answer your questions and then I have a question for you.

"FLOWERDEW, Peter" wrote:

>
>
> I am reading this thread in the UK. I am a trained marksman, trained
> by our police, but I can not believe what I am reading. How many
> murders per day in New York?

Unless you count the murders at the World Trade center where there were
no guns involved, about 200 per year.  How does that compare with
London?

> How many in any European capital?

> How many school massacres in USA?

Per capita about as many as Germany.

> How many in Europe? In Europe the police carry guns, not the next guy
> who is going to object to my driving.

My question for Peter is since Europe has had many extermination camps
in the last century, who at the extermination camps had guns and who did
not?

Lots of guns in America but no extermination camps.  Do think there
might be a connection?

Fred Townsend

>
>
> I also happen to be a karate instructor, a professional doorman
> (bouncer) and I train nurses and counsellors, working with addicts and
> alcoholics off the streets, in low-arousal defence techniques and
> situation de-escalation - as well as being an FIEE emc engineer. I get
> scared in Houston at night (that's where an English engineer got lost,
> knocked on the door of  a house to ask directions and was shot dead
> through the door - anyone want to talk to his wife?), but in four
> years I have never faced a gun on the nightclub doors in Bristol.
> Also, our gun enthusiasts do not own handguns, combat rifles or
> pump-action shotguns - they still have fun.
>
> I will not be the only UK professional reading this thread and from
> the reactions in my company, which is American owned, the ease with
> which people are willing to deprive another human of their life is
> shocking.
>
> All that said, I do not see what the topic has to do with meeting
> health and safety regulations. Which standard are you referring to?
>
> Peter
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Sam Davis [mailto:sda...@ptitest.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 2:51 PM
> To: Gert Gremmen; Pettit, Ghery; 'Ted Rook'; <
> Subject: RE: stun guns on aircraft
>
>
> This has nothing to do with EMC or Product safety, but with personal
> and
> public safety.
>
> I'm with Ghery.  Gert, your misrepresentation of his statement is
> ludicrous.
> Statistics bear this out.  Crime rates drop drastically in nations
> where
> guns are freely owned by the PUBLIC.  Look at Australia.  The gov't
> took the
> gun ownership rights away, and violent crime rose horribly.
>
> Guns are not only offensive weapons, but defensive weapons as well.
> If some
> criminal approaches your wife with a gun, would you prefer her to have
> a
> pistol, or a whistle?
>
> What do you want your cops to defend your streets with?  What about
> your
> military, to guard your ability to go to work, make a living, support
> your
> family, without having to worry if you'll be a captive prisoner of
> war, or
> worse?  What about the security force at your airport?
>
> Guns even the playing field.
>
> When you outlaw guns, only outlaws have guns.  Law abiding citizens
> turn
> them in, and can no longer defend their homes with the NECESSARY
> force.
> Fortunately, I live in a locale where gun ownership is not only
> allowed, but
> almost expected.  Statistically, there are more guns than people per
> household.  There is also a very low rate of home invasion.
> Since concealed carry permits have been issued, all violent crimes
> have
> dropped.
>
> Hijackers take planes because law-abiding travelers are not packing
> heat.
>
> I own multiple guns, legally, and I pray I never have to fire them in
> self
> defense, but I pray I don't have to use my AD&D policy either.
>
> BTW, Ted, your statement "Unfortunately America was taken by force and
> is
> defended by force and is unlikely ever to change", I disagree with
> your
> first syllable.  The reason we're the prime superpower is because the
> world
> knows we will use it if we have to.  The reason our allies like us is
> because we've got their back, (and we've thrown billions of dollars to
> bail
> them out without actually expecting payback, but that's a completely
> different thread).
>
> Remember grade school, who got picked on?  The kid that couldn't (or
> wouldn't) defend himself.  The guys that were obviously able to return
>
> injury never had to fight.  Think about that.
>
> If any of my statements offend you because of your national pride, I'm
>
> sorry.  My national pride is what brought me in here.  I mean no
> offense to
> your nation, just your government's  anti-gun laws.
>
> My opinions are my own, but I know my boss will back me.  He's a
> member,
> too.
>
> Proud member of the National Rifle Association, standing with my
> brothers,
> supporting our constitutional right to protect ourselves until the
> cops are
> able to arrive.
>
> Sam
> -Original Message-
> From: owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
> [mailto:owner-emc-p..

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RE: stun guns on aircraft

[Alexandru Guidea]

Making an analogy with the EMC world, it is interesting how America, which
allows its citizens to bear firearms (for self-protection, of course), does
not enforce regulations on immunity.

As for Sam's reflections "The reason we're the prime superpower is because
the world
knows we will use it [the force] if we have to.  The reason our allies like
us is
because we've got their back, (and we've thrown billions of dollars to bail
them out without actually expecting payback ...", I hope the author realizes
the enormity of these words, especially within our forum.

Alexandru G.

-Original Message-
From: Sam Davis [mailto:sda...@ptitest.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 9:51 AM
To: Gert Gremmen; Pettit, Ghery; 'Ted Rook'; <
Subject: RE: stun guns on aircraft



This has nothing to do with EMC or Product safety, but with personal and
public safety.

I'm with Ghery.  Gert, your misrepresentation of his statement is ludicrous.
Statistics bear this out.  Crime rates drop drastically in nations where
guns are freely owned by the PUBLIC.  Look at Australia.  The gov't took the
gun ownership rights away, and violent crime rose horribly.

Guns are not only offensive weapons, but defensive weapons as well.  If some
criminal approaches your wife with a gun, would you prefer her to have a
pistol, or a whistle?

What do you want your cops to defend your streets with?  What about your
military, to guard your ability to go to work, make a living, support your
family, without having to worry if you'll be a captive prisoner of war, or
worse?  What about the security force at your airport?

Guns even the playing field.

When you outlaw guns, only outlaws have guns.  Law abiding citizens turn
them in, and can no longer defend their homes with the NECESSARY force.
Fortunately, I live in a locale where gun ownership is not only allowed, but
almost expected.  Statistically, there are more guns than people per
household.  There is also a very low rate of home invasion.
Since concealed carry permits have been issued, all violent crimes have
dropped.

Hijackers take planes because law-abiding travelers are not packing heat.

I own multiple guns, legally, and I pray I never have to fire them in self
defense, but I pray I don't have to use my AD&D policy either.

BTW, Ted, your statement "Unfortunately America was taken by force and is
defended by force and is unlikely ever to change", I disagree with your
first syllable.  The reason we're the prime superpower is because the world
knows we will use it if we have to.  The reason our allies like us is
because we've got their back, (and we've thrown billions of dollars to bail
them out without actually expecting payback, but that's a completely
different thread).

Remember grade school, who got picked on?  The kid that couldn't (or
wouldn't) defend himself.  The guys that were obviously able to return
injury never had to fight.  Think about that.

If any of my statements offend you because of your national pride, I'm
sorry.  My national pride is what brought me in here.  I mean no offense to
your nation, just your government's  anti-gun laws.

My opinions are my own, but I know my boss will back me.  He's a member,
too.

Proud member of the National Rifle Association, standing with my brothers,
supporting our constitutional right to protect ourselves until the cops are
able to arrive.

Sam
-Original Message-
From: owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
[mailto:owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org]On Behalf Of Gert Gremmen
Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 12:25 AM
To: Pettit, Ghery; 'Ted Rook'; <
Subject: RE: stun guns on aircraft



So Ghery,

Please let us all know your future flight schedual, so
we can avoid sharing the same plane ...

As you might know, yesterday, in analogy to USA 1963 Kennedy, a
Netherlands Prime Minister kandidate , Pim Fortuin,
a fighter for the rights for free speaking, to the degree
that he attacked laws against discrimination, was
killed by a such representative of the TRUE FREE MEN .

I supposed , Ghery , that your interpretation of being
a FREE man is not limited to the WORD...

Gert Gremmen

-Original Message-
From: owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
[mailto:owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org]On Behalf Of Pettit, Ghery
Sent: dinsdag 7 mei 2002 01:24
To: 'Ted Rook'; <
Subject: RE: stun guns on aircraft



I've resisted jumping in in this fashion, but -

FREE MEN OWN GUNS!

Those who will trade essential freedoms for temporary security deserve
neither - Benjamin Franklin.

Folks, the 2nd Amendment pre-dates the wild west by a long time.  Those of
us who value our RIGHTS are tired of the wimps in the world trying to take
them away.

Ghery S. Pettit
Life Member, National Rifle Association


-Original Message-
From: Ted Rook [mailto:t...@crestaudio.com]
Sent: Monday, May 06, 2002 1:08 PM
To: <
Subject: stun guns on aircraft



and other safety considerations

keep the hijackers off planes using ground security

an airplane in flight is not the plac

Re: stun guns on aircraft

[Ken Javor]

Precisely correct.  The thing that differentiates the US of A from the rest
of the world is our political genesis of limited government and unlimited
political freedom (including the right to bear arms), as opposed to the
opposite elsewhere. The fact that the land was taken from the natives by
force is not a differentiating factor - it is something we have in common
with the rest of the world, a fact that is obvious to students of history.

I shouldn't have to say it, but in the interest of limiting responses,
freedom in this context does not mean the ability or right to act on any
whim, but rather freedom from human tyranny.
--
>From: Bill Morse 
>To: "'emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org'" 
>Subject: RE: stun guns on aircraft
>Date: Tue, May 7, 2002, 10:32 AM
>

>
> I think he meant that swords are so much better then guns. Norman, Saxon,
Moor,
> Gael, Roman, Aztec, Mayan, Mongol, Greek, English and the French and just
about
> every society I have read about or know seemed "taken by force and is defended
> by force"  and did quit well before the advent of the gun in killing
themselves
> and their neighbors.
>
> But would not presume to speak for him.
>
> Technical Staff
> Senior EMC Engineer
> William Morse NCE
>
>
>  -Original Message-
> From:  Pettit, Ghery [mailto:ghery.pet...@intel.com]
> Sent: Monday, May 06, 2002 4:24 PM
> To: 'Ted Rook'; <
> Subject: RE: stun guns on aircraft
>
>
> I've resisted jumping in in this fashion, but -
>
> FREE MEN OWN GUNS!
>
> Those who will trade essential freedoms for temporary security deserve
> neither - Benjamin Franklin.
>
> Folks, the 2nd Amendment pre-dates the wild west by a long time.  Those of
> us who value our RIGHTS are tired of the wimps in the world trying to take
> them away.
>
> Ghery S. Pettit
> Life Member, National Rifle Association
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Ted Rook [mailto:t...@crestaudio.com]
> Sent: Monday, May 06, 2002 1:08 PM
> To: <
> Subject: stun guns on aircraft
>
>
>
> and other safety considerations
>
> keep the hijackers off planes using ground security
>
> an airplane in flight is not the place to have gun fights
>
> too many lives are at risk
>
> the first priority is to get the plane safely on the ground, anywhere
>
> then at least the passengers have a chance
>
> Most citizens of most countries enjoy the security that comes from having
> thrashed out land rights, territorial disputes, and the systems of law and
> law enforcement before firearms were invented.
>
> America is one of the few places in the West that relies on firearms as a
> negotiating tool.
> This is poor judgement.
> Firearms are offensive weapons not negotiating tools.
> Giving someone a gun escalates an already dangerous situation.
> Now you want the pilot to not only assure the safety of the plane but also
> be an effective executioner.
> Asking too much IMHO.
> Unfortunately America was taken by force and is defended by force and is
> unlikely ever to change.
>
>
>
>
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RE: stun guns on aircraft

[Sam Davis]

RE: stun guns on aircraftThe numbers of horrendous crimes in the US is sadly
exaggerated by the press.  The defensive use of weapons is sadly dismissed
in the news, and reported as a killing, not as a defense against killing.

I don't own my handgun for entertainment, but for protection.  My bolt
action rifle is too unwieldy and clumsy.  I'm not easy about depriving
another's life, except when mine is threatened.

I'm glad you've never had to face a weapon.  Even though I live in the state
known for having many guns, I've never seen a gun used in a crime either.
None is not better than none.  It's just great.  I hope that if you ever
have to face a weapon that you'd be able to disarm him and restrain him
until the authorities arrive.  I have a black belt associate who has made
the statement he'd rather face a crook that has a gun than one with a knife.
The crook that uses a gun is usually too cocky, and can be disarmed fairly
easily with the right moves, where a knife wielder is usually a force to be
reckoned.

Sam
  -Original Message-
  From: FLOWERDEW, Peter [mailto:peter.flower...@plantronics.com]
  Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 11:17 AM
  To: 'Sam Davis'; Gert Gremmen; Pettit, Ghery; 'Ted Rook'; <
  Subject: RE: stun guns on aircraft


  I am reading this thread in the UK. I am a trained marksman, trained by
our police, but I can not believe what I am reading. How many murders per
day in New York? How many in any European capital? How many school massacres
in USA? How many in Europe? In Europe the police carry guns, not the next
guy who is going to object to my driving.

  I also happen to be a karate instructor, a professional doorman (bouncer)
and I train nurses and counsellors, working with addicts and alcoholics off
the streets, in low-arousal defence techniques and situation de-escalation -
as well as being an FIEE emc engineer. I get scared in Houston at night
(that's where an English engineer got lost, knocked on the door of  a house
to ask directions and was shot dead through the door - anyone want to talk
to his wife?), but in four years I have never faced a gun on the nightclub
doors in Bristol. Also, our gun enthusiasts do not own handguns, combat
rifles or pump-action shotguns - they still have fun.

  I will not be the only UK professional reading this thread and from the
reactions in my company, which is American owned, the ease with which people
are willing to deprive another human of their life is shocking.

  All that said, I do not see what the topic has to do with meeting health
and safety regulations. Which standard are you referring to?

  Peter

  -Original Message-
  From: Sam Davis [mailto:sda...@ptitest.com]
  Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 2:51 PM
  To: Gert Gremmen; Pettit, Ghery; 'Ted Rook'; <
  Subject: RE: stun guns on aircraft




  This has nothing to do with EMC or Product safety, but with personal and
  public safety.

  I'm with Ghery.  Gert, your misrepresentation of his statement is
ludicrous.
  Statistics bear this out.  Crime rates drop drastically in nations where
  guns are freely owned by the PUBLIC.  Look at Australia.  The gov't took
the
  gun ownership rights away, and violent crime rose horribly.

  Guns are not only offensive weapons, but defensive weapons as well.  If
some
  criminal approaches your wife with a gun, would you prefer her to have a
  pistol, or a whistle?

  What do you want your cops to defend your streets with?  What about your
  military, to guard your ability to go to work, make a living, support your
  family, without having to worry if you'll be a captive prisoner of war, or
  worse?  What about the security force at your airport?

  Guns even the playing field.

  When you outlaw guns, only outlaws have guns.  Law abiding citizens turn
  them in, and can no longer defend their homes with the NECESSARY force.
  Fortunately, I live in a locale where gun ownership is not only allowed,
but
  almost expected.  Statistically, there are more guns than people per
  household.  There is also a very low rate of home invasion.
  Since concealed carry permits have been issued, all violent crimes have
  dropped.

  Hijackers take planes because law-abiding travelers are not packing heat.

  I own multiple guns, legally, and I pray I never have to fire them in self
  defense, but I pray I don't have to use my AD&D policy either.

  BTW, Ted, your statement "Unfortunately America was taken by force and is
  defended by force and is unlikely ever to change", I disagree with your
  first syllable.  The reason we're the prime superpower is because the
world
  knows we will use it if we have to.  The reason our allies like us is
  because we've got their back, (and we've thrown billions of dollars to
bail
  them out without actually expecting payback, but that's a completely
  different thread).

  Remember grade school, who got picked on?  The kid that couldn't (or
  wouldn't) defend himself.  The guys that were obviously able to return
  i

RE: stun guns on aircraft

[Robert Wilson]

"Crime rates drop drastically in nations where guns are freely owned by
the PUBLIC"?? I suppose this explains why the US has a murder rate some
10 to 20 times that of western Europe, and whose extreme violent crime
rates make it a pariah in the eyes of so many other nations? And where
do you think the "criminal approaching your wife with a gun" managed to
get a gun in the first place? Could it be because he lives in a country
that believes owning a gun should be a citizen's right? Nah! Couldn't
possibly be a connection!

Reminds me of a cartoon I once saw, where Uncle Sam is pointing a gun at
himself and has just managed to shoot another hole through his head. The
caption is "Damn! It did it again! I wonder what causes that?"

Ah, well, what else can one expect from yet another "proud member of the
NRA". Certainly not rational thinking when it comes to playing with toys
that go bang.

I'll get off my soap box now.

Bob Wilson
TIR Systems Ltd.
Vancouver.

-Original Message-
From: Sam Davis [mailto:sda...@ptitest.com] 
Sent: May 7, 2002 6:51 AM
To: Gert Gremmen; Pettit, Ghery; 'Ted Rook'; <
Subject: RE: stun guns on aircraft


This has nothing to do with EMC or Product safety, but with personal and
public safety.

I'm with Ghery.  Gert, your misrepresentation of his statement is
ludicrous.
Statistics bear this out.  Crime rates drop drastically in nations where
guns are freely owned by the PUBLIC.  Look at Australia.  The gov't took
the
gun ownership rights away, and violent crime rose horribly.

Guns are not only offensive weapons, but defensive weapons as well.  If
some
criminal approaches your wife with a gun, would you prefer her to have a
pistol, or a whistle?

What do you want your cops to defend your streets with?  What about your
military, to guard your ability to go to work, make a living, support
your
family, without having to worry if you'll be a captive prisoner of war,
or
worse?  What about the security force at your airport?

Guns even the playing field.

When you outlaw guns, only outlaws have guns.  Law abiding citizens turn
them in, and can no longer defend their homes with the NECESSARY force.
Fortunately, I live in a locale where gun ownership is not only allowed,
but
almost expected.  Statistically, there are more guns than people per
household.  There is also a very low rate of home invasion.
Since concealed carry permits have been issued, all violent crimes have
dropped.

Hijackers take planes because law-abiding travelers are not packing
heat.

I own multiple guns, legally, and I pray I never have to fire them in
self
defense, but I pray I don't have to use my AD&D policy either.

BTW, Ted, your statement "Unfortunately America was taken by force and
is
defended by force and is unlikely ever to change", I disagree with your
first syllable.  The reason we're the prime superpower is because the
world
knows we will use it if we have to.  The reason our allies like us is
because we've got their back, (and we've thrown billions of dollars to
bail
them out without actually expecting payback, but that's a completely
different thread).

Remember grade school, who got picked on?  The kid that couldn't (or
wouldn't) defend himself.  The guys that were obviously able to return
injury never had to fight.  Think about that.

If any of my statements offend you because of your national pride, I'm
sorry.  My national pride is what brought me in here.  I mean no offense
to
your nation, just your government's  anti-gun laws.

My opinions are my own, but I know my boss will back me.  He's a member,
too.

Proud member of the National Rifle Association, standing with my
brothers,
supporting our constitutional right to protect ourselves until the cops
are
able to arrive.

Sam
-Original Message-
From: owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
[mailto:owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org]On Behalf Of Gert Gremmen
Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 12:25 AM
To: Pettit, Ghery; 'Ted Rook'; <
Subject: RE: stun guns on aircraft



So Ghery,

Please let us all know your future flight schedual, so
we can avoid sharing the same plane ...

As you might know, yesterday, in analogy to USA 1963 Kennedy, a
Netherlands Prime Minister kandidate , Pim Fortuin,
a fighter for the rights for free speaking, to the degree
that he attacked laws against discrimination, was
killed by a such representative of the TRUE FREE MEN .

I supposed , Ghery , that your interpretation of being
a FREE man is not limited to the WORD...

Gert Gremmen

-Original Message-
From: owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
[mailto:owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org]On Behalf Of Pettit, Ghery
Sent: dinsdag 7 mei 2002 01:24
To: 'Ted Rook'; <
Subject: RE: stun guns on aircraft



I've resisted jumping in in this fashion, but -

FREE MEN OWN GUNS!

Those who will trade essential freedoms for temporary security deserve
neither - Benjamin Franklin.

Folks, the 2nd Amendment pre-dates the wild west by a long time.  Those
of
us who value our RIGHTS are tired of 

RE: Re[2]: Thermal Testing

[richwoods]

This almost appears to be too good to be true. Let's see if I have this
right.
 
34970A Data Acquisition/Switch Unit with software, $1290
34901A 20 Channel Mux, $395
34307A Thermocouple kit with 10 thermocouples, $98
 
Total for a 20 channel thermocouple system is $1881.
 
That's cheap! OK, what is wrong with this picture (if anything)? Anyone have
anything negative to say about this system?
 
Richard Woods 
Sensormatic Electronics 
Tyco International 

 
 
 -Original Message-
From: Michael Taylor [mailto:mtay...@hach.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 10:23 AM
To: 'duncan.ho...@snellwilcox.com'; EMC-PSTC Discussion Group;
richwo...@tycoint.com
Subject: RE: Re[2]: Thermal Testing



We also use the 34970A for data acquisition with HP BenchLink for our safety
testing and are very pleased with it's performance and ease of use.  We also
have a Hydra II system which mostly gathers dust now.  The 34970 / BenchLink
system is so much easier to setup & use.  Also the data log is a snap to
link into a Word report.
For what it's worth.
Michael Taylor
Colorado

-Original Message-
From: duncan.ho...@snellwilcox.com [mailto:duncan.ho...@snellwilcox.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 2:46 AM
To: EMC-PSTC Discussion Group; richwo...@tycoint.com
Subject: Re[2]: Thermal Testing


Richard,

We use an Agilent 34970A data aquisition unit with three 34901A 20
channel mux modules fitted. This is not a PC card but a rack and stack
instrument about the size of a bench DVM that connects to the PC via a
serial cable. It also comes with the software. Very similar to the fluke
hydra II.

This has proven to be an excellent instrument and well worth the investment.
Most other equipment of the same price could only offer around 10 channels
of measurement whereas this allows up to 60. It is also modular so you only
need buy as many 20 channel mux modules as you need.

Regards,

Duncan



Reply Separator
Subject: Re: Thermal Testing
Author: Doug   McKean
List-Post: emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org
Date: 5/6/2002 22:11


richwo...@tycoint.com   wrote: 
> 
> Do any of you monitor and record component temperatures during safety
> testing using PCs and data capture I/O cards? If so, what hardware and
> software to you use?

I do any monitoring any temp testing with a Fluke Hydra II and 
associated PC software. Set up and define probes, start software, 
dump into an Excel spreadsheet or report.  Communication between 
the Fluke and the PC is done through serial ports.  - Doug McKean 



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RE: What Every Startup Needs to Know About NEBS

[Robert Wilson]

MET Labs in California is fond of showing a video of this test. The
equipment in the test was about a quarter of a rack tall. It took almost
an hour before the flames really started in earnest, and a couple of
hours before the flames finally subsided. In the process it was a real
bonfire. Flames were 5 feet high at times. Personally, I am rather
dubious about the relevance of this test. Why not just stick the
equipment into a blast furnace and be done with it. I also felt the
seismic test was rather unrealistic, since the resonances of the
equipment and therefore peak amplitudes it is subjected to will
dramatically change, depending on the actual "seismic-approved" rack it
is installed in. Also, in real life there will be other equipment in the
rack; not just a couple of dummy weights as in the test. One can expect
the equipment to behave very differently in a real installation.
 
Bob Wilson 
TIR Systems Ltd. 
Vancouver. 
-Original Message-
From: Dave Lorusso [mailto:dave.loru...@genband.com] 
Sent: May 7, 2002 7:30 AM
To: Robert Wilson
Cc: emc-p...@ieee.org
Subject: RE: What Every Startup Needs to Know About NEBS
 
I showed a film clip of failing the fire resistance test at the last
Verizon NEBS Symposium (www.verizonnebs.com
 ), you're right, it was a big hit.  Before
I showed it, I asked the audience "How many of you played with fire when
you were a kid?".  At least 2/3 of the audience raised their hands.  Not
too surprising from a group of compliance professionals who burn stuff
for a living.  The fire resistance test is definitely my all time
favorite compliance test - the seismic test is a close second.
 
Best regards,
 
Dave
 
-Original Message-
From: Robert Wilson [mailto:robert_wil...@tirsys.com]
Sent: Monday, May 06, 2002 7:38 PM
To: emc-p...@ieee.org
Subject: RE: What Every Startup Needs to Know About NEBS
 
You never showed photos of the NEBS flame test! Nothing like burning
your equipment to a crisp with a 1 foot high flame from a line burner,
for good entertainment :)
 
Bob Wilson 
TIR Systems Ltd. 
Vancouver. 
-Original Message-
From: Dave Lorusso [mailto:dave.loru...@genband.com] 
Sent: May 6, 2002 3:11 PM
To: 'emc-p...@ieee.org'
Cc: 't...@world.std.com'; 'n...@world.std.com'
Subject: What Every Startup Needs to Know About NEBS
 
FYI,  
 
I just had an article published in Evaluation Engineering magazine
titled: "What Every Startup Needs to Know About NEBS".  You can view it
at:
 
http://www.evaluationengineering.com/archive/articles/0502emc.htm
 
The article details the steps we took at General Bandwidth to pass NEBS
testing our first time out.  There's a pretty good resource section at
the end that's not in the print copy.  I hope the group finds it useful.
 
Best regards,
 

Dave Lorusso

Director of Product Integrity
General Bandwidth, Inc.
12303 Technology Blvd.
Austin, TX 78727
512-681-5480 (phone)
512-681-5481 (fax)
dave.loru...@genband.com
www.genband.com  

RE: stun guns on aircraft

[Steve Grobe]

When insults start to fly perhaps it's time to take it off list.

> -Original Message-
> From: Robert Wilson [mailto:robert_wil...@tirsys.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 11:00 AM
> To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
> Subject: RE: stun guns on aircraft
> 
> 
> 
> "Free men own guns". Yeah right. The true mark of a civilized 
> country is
> that its citizens all own guns. Never been anywhere else, have you? It
> is just this sort if immature 19th century frontier mentality that is
> embarrassing the US in the eyes of the rest of the world. 
> 
> Bob Wilson
> TIR Systems Ltd.
> Vancouver.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Pettit, Ghery [mailto:ghery.pet...@intel.com] 
> Sent: May 6, 2002 4:24 PM
> To: 'Ted Rook'; <
> Subject: RE: stun guns on aircraft
> 
> 
> I've resisted jumping in in this fashion, but -
> 
> FREE MEN OWN GUNS!
> 
> Those who will trade essential freedoms for temporary security deserve
> neither - Benjamin Franklin.
> 
> Folks, the 2nd Amendment pre-dates the wild west by a long 
> time.  Those
> of
> us who value our RIGHTS are tired of the wimps in the world trying to
> take
> them away.
> 
> Ghery S. Pettit
> Life Member, National Rifle Association
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Ted Rook [mailto:t...@crestaudio.com]
> Sent: Monday, May 06, 2002 1:08 PM
> To: <
> Subject: stun guns on aircraft
> 
> 
> 
> and other safety considerations
> 
> keep the hijackers off planes using ground security
> 
> an airplane in flight is not the place to have gun fights
> 
> too many lives are at risk
> 
> the first priority is to get the plane safely on the ground, anywhere
> 
> then at least the passengers have a chance
> 
> Most citizens of most countries enjoy the security that comes from
> having
> thrashed out land rights, territorial disputes, and the systems of law
> and
> law enforcement before firearms were invented.
> 
> America is one of the few places in the West that relies on 
> firearms as
> a
> negotiating tool.
> This is poor judgement. 
> Firearms are offensive weapons not negotiating tools. 
> Giving someone a gun escalates an already dangerous situation. 
> Now you want the pilot to not only assure the safety of the plane but
> also
> be an effective executioner. 
> Asking too much IMHO.
> Unfortunately America was taken by force and is defended by 
> force and is
> unlikely ever to change.
> 
> 
> 
> 
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RE: stun guns on aircraft

[FLOWERDEW, Peter]

I am reading this thread in the UK. I am a trained marksman, trained by our
police, but I can not believe what I am reading. How many murders per day in
New York? How many in any European capital? How many school massacres in
USA? How many in Europe? In Europe the police carry guns, not the next guy
who is going to object to my driving. 

I also happen to be a karate instructor, a professional doorman (bouncer)
and I train nurses and counsellors, working with addicts and alcoholics off
the streets, in low-arousal defence techniques and situation de-escalation -
as well as being an FIEE emc engineer. I get scared in Houston at night
(that's where an English engineer got lost, knocked on the door of  a house
to ask directions and was shot dead through the door - anyone want to talk
to his wife?), but in four years I have never faced a gun on the nightclub
doors in Bristol. Also, our gun enthusiasts do not own handguns, combat
rifles or pump-action shotguns - they still have fun.

I will not be the only UK professional reading this thread and from the
reactions in my company, which is American owned, the ease with which people
are willing to deprive another human of their life is shocking.

All that said, I do not see what the topic has to do with meeting health and
safety regulations. Which standard are you referring to?

Peter

-Original Message-
From: Sam Davis [mailto:sda...@ptitest.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 2:51 PM
To: Gert Gremmen; Pettit, Ghery; 'Ted Rook'; <
Subject: RE: stun guns on aircraft



This has nothing to do with EMC or Product safety, but with personal and
public safety.

I'm with Ghery.  Gert, your misrepresentation of his statement is ludicrous.
Statistics bear this out.  Crime rates drop drastically in nations where
guns are freely owned by the PUBLIC.  Look at Australia.  The gov't took the
gun ownership rights away, and violent crime rose horribly.

Guns are not only offensive weapons, but defensive weapons as well.  If some
criminal approaches your wife with a gun, would you prefer her to have a
pistol, or a whistle?

What do you want your cops to defend your streets with?  What about your
military, to guard your ability to go to work, make a living, support your
family, without having to worry if you'll be a captive prisoner of war, or
worse?  What about the security force at your airport?

Guns even the playing field.

When you outlaw guns, only outlaws have guns.  Law abiding citizens turn
them in, and can no longer defend their homes with the NECESSARY force.
Fortunately, I live in a locale where gun ownership is not only allowed, but
almost expected.  Statistically, there are more guns than people per
household.  There is also a very low rate of home invasion.
Since concealed carry permits have been issued, all violent crimes have
dropped.

Hijackers take planes because law-abiding travelers are not packing heat.

I own multiple guns, legally, and I pray I never have to fire them in self
defense, but I pray I don't have to use my AD&D policy either.

BTW, Ted, your statement "Unfortunately America was taken by force and is
defended by force and is unlikely ever to change", I disagree with your
first syllable.  The reason we're the prime superpower is because the world
knows we will use it if we have to.  The reason our allies like us is
because we've got their back, (and we've thrown billions of dollars to bail
them out without actually expecting payback, but that's a completely
different thread).

Remember grade school, who got picked on?  The kid that couldn't (or
wouldn't) defend himself.  The guys that were obviously able to return
injury never had to fight.  Think about that.

If any of my statements offend you because of your national pride, I'm
sorry.  My national pride is what brought me in here.  I mean no offense to
your nation, just your government's  anti-gun laws.

My opinions are my own, but I know my boss will back me.  He's a member,
too.

Proud member of the National Rifle Association, standing with my brothers,
supporting our constitutional right to protect ourselves until the cops are
able to arrive.

Sam
-Original Message-
From: owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
[mailto:owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org]On Behalf Of Gert Gremmen
Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 12:25 AM
To: Pettit, Ghery; 'Ted Rook'; <
Subject: RE: stun guns on aircraft



So Ghery,

Please let us all know your future flight schedual, so
we can avoid sharing the same plane ...

As you might know, yesterday, in analogy to USA 1963 Kennedy, a
Netherlands Prime Minister kandidate , Pim Fortuin,
a fighter for the rights for free speaking, to the degree
that he attacked laws against discrimination, was
killed by a such representative of the TRUE FREE MEN .

I supposed , Ghery , that your interpretation of being
a FREE man is not limited to the WORD...

Gert Gremmen

-Original Message-
From: owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
[mailto:owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org]On Beha

RE: stun guns on aircraft

[Robert Wilson]

"Free men own guns". Yeah right. The true mark of a civilized country is
that its citizens all own guns. Never been anywhere else, have you? It
is just this sort if immature 19th century frontier mentality that is
embarrassing the US in the eyes of the rest of the world. 

Bob Wilson
TIR Systems Ltd.
Vancouver.

-Original Message-
From: Pettit, Ghery [mailto:ghery.pet...@intel.com] 
Sent: May 6, 2002 4:24 PM
To: 'Ted Rook'; <
Subject: RE: stun guns on aircraft


I've resisted jumping in in this fashion, but -

FREE MEN OWN GUNS!

Those who will trade essential freedoms for temporary security deserve
neither - Benjamin Franklin.

Folks, the 2nd Amendment pre-dates the wild west by a long time.  Those
of
us who value our RIGHTS are tired of the wimps in the world trying to
take
them away.

Ghery S. Pettit
Life Member, National Rifle Association


-Original Message-
From: Ted Rook [mailto:t...@crestaudio.com]
Sent: Monday, May 06, 2002 1:08 PM
To: <
Subject: stun guns on aircraft



and other safety considerations

keep the hijackers off planes using ground security

an airplane in flight is not the place to have gun fights

too many lives are at risk

the first priority is to get the plane safely on the ground, anywhere

then at least the passengers have a chance

Most citizens of most countries enjoy the security that comes from
having
thrashed out land rights, territorial disputes, and the systems of law
and
law enforcement before firearms were invented.

America is one of the few places in the West that relies on firearms as
a
negotiating tool.
This is poor judgement. 
Firearms are offensive weapons not negotiating tools. 
Giving someone a gun escalates an already dangerous situation. 
Now you want the pilot to not only assure the safety of the plane but
also
be an effective executioner. 
Asking too much IMHO.
Unfortunately America was taken by force and is defended by force and is
unlikely ever to change.




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RE: stun guns on aircraft

[Naftali Shani]

This has nothing to do with EMC or Product safety forum, so please stop this
thread.

Regards,
Naftali Shani, Catena Networks (www.catena.com)
307 Legget Drive, Kanata, Ontario, Canada K2K 3C8
613.599.6430/866.2CATENA (X.8277); C 295.7042; F 599.0445
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RE: stun guns on aircraft

[Bill Morse]

I think he meant that swords are so much better then guns. Norman, Saxon, Moor,
Gael, Roman, Aztec, Mayan, Mongol, Greek, English and the French and just about
every society I have read about or know seemed "taken by force and is defended
by force"  and did quit well before the advent of the gun in killing themselves
and their neighbors.

But would not presume to speak for him.

Technical Staff
Senior EMC Engineer
William Morse NCE


 -Original Message-
From:   Pettit, Ghery [mailto:ghery.pet...@intel.com] 
Sent:   Monday, May 06, 2002 4:24 PM
To: 'Ted Rook'; <
Subject:RE: stun guns on aircraft


I've resisted jumping in in this fashion, but -

FREE MEN OWN GUNS!

Those who will trade essential freedoms for temporary security deserve
neither - Benjamin Franklin.

Folks, the 2nd Amendment pre-dates the wild west by a long time.  Those of
us who value our RIGHTS are tired of the wimps in the world trying to take
them away.

Ghery S. Pettit
Life Member, National Rifle Association


-Original Message-
From: Ted Rook [mailto:t...@crestaudio.com]
Sent: Monday, May 06, 2002 1:08 PM
To: <
Subject: stun guns on aircraft



and other safety considerations

keep the hijackers off planes using ground security

an airplane in flight is not the place to have gun fights

too many lives are at risk

the first priority is to get the plane safely on the ground, anywhere

then at least the passengers have a chance

Most citizens of most countries enjoy the security that comes from having
thrashed out land rights, territorial disputes, and the systems of law and
law enforcement before firearms were invented.

America is one of the few places in the West that relies on firearms as a
negotiating tool.
This is poor judgement. 
Firearms are offensive weapons not negotiating tools. 
Giving someone a gun escalates an already dangerous situation. 
Now you want the pilot to not only assure the safety of the plane but also
be an effective executioner. 
Asking too much IMHO.
Unfortunately America was taken by force and is defended by force and is
unlikely ever to change.




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Orange County, Ca IEEE Meeting

[Flinders, Randall]

You are invited to attend the Orange County IEEE EMC Society meeting on
Tuesday, May 14, at CKC Laboratories in Brea.

Topic:
Shielding Effectiveness: A Practical View
The talk will cover shielding effectiveness from different points of view
including cable and system shielding. Examples and demonstrations of
shielding problems and fixes will be presented. Use of plane wave shielding
effectiveness specs of shielding material can sometimes lead to using the
wrong material in applications where shielding is needed between parts of a
system. A method of measuring shielding effectiveness that is easy to
perform and gives better results for some system shielding needs will be
discussed and demonstrated.

Sometimes, shielding no matter how well done can cause problems instead of
fixing them. An example of this will be given.

Speaker: Douglas C. Smith
Mr. Smith held an FCC First Class Radiotelephone license by age 16 and a
General Class amateur radio license at age 12. He received a B.E.E.E. degree
from Vanderbilt University in 1969 and an M.S.E.E. degree from the
California Institute of Technology in 1970. In 1970, he joined AT&T Bell
Laboratories as a Member of Technical Staff. He retired in 1996 as a
Distinguished Member of Technical Staff. From February 1996 to April 2000 he
was Manager of EMC Development and Test at Auspex Systems in Santa Clara,
CA. Mr. Smith currently is an independent consultant specializing in high
frequency measurements, circuit/system design and verification, switching
power supply noise and specifications, EMC, and immunity to transient noise.
He is a Senior Member of the IEEE and a member of the IEEE EMC Society Board
of Directors.
His technical interests include high frequency effects in electronic
circuits, including topics such as Electromagnetic Compatibility (EMC),
Electrostatic Discharge (ESD), Electrical Fast Transients (EFT), and other
forms of pulsed electromagnetic interference. He also has been involved with
FCC Part 68 testing and design, telephone system analog and digital design,
IC design, and computer simulation of circuits. He has been granted over 15
patents, several on measurement apparatus.
Mr. Smith has lectured at Vanderbilt University, AT&T Bell Labs, and at many
public and private seminars on high frequency measurements, circuit design,
ESD, and EMC. He is author of the book High Frequency Measurements and Noise
in Electronic Circuits and is currently working on his second book.

Where:
CKC Laboratories in Brea
Located in Small Shopping Center
110 North Olinda Place
Brea, CA 92823
Direct: 714-337-1133
Office: 714-993-6112

Link to Map:  http://www.ckc.com/lmapbrea.asp

When:
Tuesday, May 14, 2002
6:00 pm - Social Hour - Beverages Served
6:30 pm - Dinner Served
7:00 pm - Presentation Begins

MEETINGS ARE NOW FREE
FREE! for IEEE Members and Students with Valid Student ID Card
FREE! for non-IEEE Members

Reservations requested by 5:00 p.m. on Monday, May 13. Robert Tozier at
714-337-1133 or
robert.toz...@ckc.com


Robert Tozier
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RE: What Every Startup Needs to Know About NEBS

[Dave Lorusso]

I showed a film clip of failing the fire resistance test at the last Verizon
NEBS Symposium ( www.verizonnebs.com  ), you're
right, it was a big hit.  Before I showed it, I asked the audience "How many
of you played with fire when you were a kid?".  At least 2/3 of the audience
raised their hands.  Not too surprising from a group of compliance
professionals who burn stuff for a living.  The fire resistance test is
definitely my all time favorite compliance test - the seismic test is a
close second.
 
Best regards,
 
Dave
 
-Original Message-
From: Robert Wilson [mailto:robert_wil...@tirsys.com]
Sent: Monday, May 06, 2002 7:38 PM
To: emc-p...@ieee.org
Subject: RE: What Every Startup Needs to Know About NEBS
 
You never showed photos of the NEBS flame test! Nothing like burning your
equipment to a crisp with a 1 foot high flame from a line burner, for good
entertainment :)
 
Bob Wilson 
TIR Systems Ltd. 
Vancouver. 
-Original Message-
From: Dave Lorusso [mailto:dave.loru...@genband.com] 
Sent: May 6, 2002 3:11 PM
To: 'emc-p...@ieee.org'
Cc: 't...@world.std.com'; 'n...@world.std.com'
Subject: What Every Startup Needs to Know About NEBS
 
FYI,  
 
I just had an article published in Evaluation Engineering magazine titled:
"What Every Startup Needs to Know About NEBS".  You can view it at:
 
http://www.evaluationengineering.com/archive/articles/0502emc.htm
 
 
The article details the steps we took at General Bandwidth to pass NEBS
testing our first time out.  There's a pretty good resource section at the
end that's not in the print copy.  I hope the group finds it useful.
 
Best regards,
 

Dave Lorusso

Director of Product Integrity
General Bandwidth, Inc.
12303 Technology Blvd.
Austin, TX 78727
512-681-5480 (phone)
512-681-5481 (fax)
dave.loru...@genband.com  
www.genband.com  

RE: Thermal Testing

[Sam Davis]

Richard, all,

I prefer the HP (now Agilent?) datalogger series over Fluke's.  More
channels, (my model has 3 bays of 22 channels each), included software
allows for any normal type of thermocouple, as well as voltage or resistance
measurements.  Connects to PC with serial cable, uses minimal resources (our
dedicated PC is a 486, 33MHz, with Win 3.1, and it runs fine (set up this
way years ago, and I haven't needed to upgrade it.)

Sam

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From: owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
[mailto:owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org]On Behalf Of Chris Chileshe
Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 5:37 AM
To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
Subject: RE: Thermal Testing




I have found the Pico data logger (with type K thermocouples) ideal for my
requirements. It connects between about 8 thermocouples ( I use type K)
and a PC ( RS232 ).

http://www.picotech.com/thermocouple.html

Regards

- Chris Chileshe
- Ultronics Ltd

-Original Message-
From:   richwo...@tycoint.com [SMTP:richwo...@tycoint.com]
Sent:   Monday, May 06, 2002 7:14 PM
To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
Subject:Thermal Testing


Do any of you monitor and record component temperatures during safety
testing using PCs and data capture I/O cards? If so, what hardware and
software to you use?

Richard Woods
Sensormatic Electronics
Tyco International


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RE: stun guns on aircraft

[Sam Davis]

This has nothing to do with EMC or Product safety, but with personal and
public safety.

I'm with Ghery.  Gert, your misrepresentation of his statement is ludicrous.
Statistics bear this out.  Crime rates drop drastically in nations where
guns are freely owned by the PUBLIC.  Look at Australia.  The gov't took the
gun ownership rights away, and violent crime rose horribly.

Guns are not only offensive weapons, but defensive weapons as well.  If some
criminal approaches your wife with a gun, would you prefer her to have a
pistol, or a whistle?

What do you want your cops to defend your streets with?  What about your
military, to guard your ability to go to work, make a living, support your
family, without having to worry if you'll be a captive prisoner of war, or
worse?  What about the security force at your airport?

Guns even the playing field.

When you outlaw guns, only outlaws have guns.  Law abiding citizens turn
them in, and can no longer defend their homes with the NECESSARY force.
Fortunately, I live in a locale where gun ownership is not only allowed, but
almost expected.  Statistically, there are more guns than people per
household.  There is also a very low rate of home invasion.
Since concealed carry permits have been issued, all violent crimes have
dropped.

Hijackers take planes because law-abiding travelers are not packing heat.

I own multiple guns, legally, and I pray I never have to fire them in self
defense, but I pray I don't have to use my AD&D policy either.

BTW, Ted, your statement "Unfortunately America was taken by force and is
defended by force and is unlikely ever to change", I disagree with your
first syllable.  The reason we're the prime superpower is because the world
knows we will use it if we have to.  The reason our allies like us is
because we've got their back, (and we've thrown billions of dollars to bail
them out without actually expecting payback, but that's a completely
different thread).

Remember grade school, who got picked on?  The kid that couldn't (or
wouldn't) defend himself.  The guys that were obviously able to return
injury never had to fight.  Think about that.

If any of my statements offend you because of your national pride, I'm
sorry.  My national pride is what brought me in here.  I mean no offense to
your nation, just your government's  anti-gun laws.

My opinions are my own, but I know my boss will back me.  He's a member,
too.

Proud member of the National Rifle Association, standing with my brothers,
supporting our constitutional right to protect ourselves until the cops are
able to arrive.

Sam
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From: owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
[mailto:owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org]On Behalf Of Gert Gremmen
Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 12:25 AM
To: Pettit, Ghery; 'Ted Rook'; <
Subject: RE: stun guns on aircraft



So Ghery,

Please let us all know your future flight schedual, so
we can avoid sharing the same plane ...

As you might know, yesterday, in analogy to USA 1963 Kennedy, a
Netherlands Prime Minister kandidate , Pim Fortuin,
a fighter for the rights for free speaking, to the degree
that he attacked laws against discrimination, was
killed by a such representative of the TRUE FREE MEN .

I supposed , Ghery , that your interpretation of being
a FREE man is not limited to the WORD...

Gert Gremmen

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From: owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
[mailto:owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org]On Behalf Of Pettit, Ghery
Sent: dinsdag 7 mei 2002 01:24
To: 'Ted Rook'; <
Subject: RE: stun guns on aircraft



I've resisted jumping in in this fashion, but -

FREE MEN OWN GUNS!

Those who will trade essential freedoms for temporary security deserve
neither - Benjamin Franklin.

Folks, the 2nd Amendment pre-dates the wild west by a long time.  Those of
us who value our RIGHTS are tired of the wimps in the world trying to take
them away.

Ghery S. Pettit
Life Member, National Rifle Association


-Original Message-
From: Ted Rook [mailto:t...@crestaudio.com]
Sent: Monday, May 06, 2002 1:08 PM
To: <
Subject: stun guns on aircraft



and other safety considerations

keep the hijackers off planes using ground security

an airplane in flight is not the place to have gun fights

too many lives are at risk

the first priority is to get the plane safely on the ground, anywhere

then at least the passengers have a chance

Most citizens of most countries enjoy the security that comes from having
thrashed out land rights, territorial disputes, and the systems of law and
law enforcement before firearms were invented.

America is one of the few places in the West that relies on firearms as a
negotiating tool.
This is poor judgement.
Firearms are offensive weapons not negotiating tools.
Giving someone a gun escalates an already dangerous situation.
Now you want the pilot to not only assure the safety of the plane but also
be an effective executioner.
Asking too much IMHO.
Unfortunately America was taken by force and is defen

RE: Thermal Testing

[John Lach]

  RE: Thermal Testing  5/7/02
I have been using an HP34970A and logging the data to an excel spreadsheet. I 
am using the HP "Bench Link" software to setup the test and collect the data. 
Setup is fairly straight forward and excel provides an easy documentation and 
distribution method.


richwoods wrote:
>
>Do any of you monitor and record component temperatures during safety
>testing using PCs and data capture I/O cards? If so, what hardware and
>software to you use?
>
>Richard Woods
>Sensormatic Electronics
>Tyco International
>
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RE: Thermal Testing

[Chris Chileshe]

I have found the Pico data logger (with type K thermocouples) ideal for my 
requirements. It connects between about 8 thermocouples ( I use type K)
and a PC ( RS232 ).

http://www.picotech.com/thermocouple.html

Regards

- Chris Chileshe
- Ultronics Ltd

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Subject:Thermal Testing


Do any of you monitor and record component temperatures during safety
testing using PCs and data capture I/O cards? If so, what hardware and
software to you use?

Richard Woods
Sensormatic Electronics
Tyco International


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Re[2]: Thermal Testing

[duncan . hobbs]

Richard,
We use an Agilent 34970A data aquisition unit with three 34901A 20 channel 
mux modules fitted. This is not a PC card but a rack and stack instrument about 
the size of a bench DVM that connects to the PC via a serial cable. It also 
comes with the software. Very similar to the fluke hydra II.
This has proven to be an excellent instrument and well worth the investment. 
Most other equipment of the same price could only offer around 10 channels of 
measurement whereas this allows up to 60. It is also modular so you only need 
buy as many 20 channel mux modules as you need.
Regards,
Duncan


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Subject: Re: Thermal Testing
Author: Doug McKean
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Date: 5/6/2002 22:11


richwo...@tycoint.com wrote: 
> 
> Do any of you monitor and record component temperatures during safety
> testing using PCs and data capture I/O cards? If so, what hardware and
> software to you use?

I do any monitoring any temp testing with a Fluke Hydra II and 
associated PC software. Set up and define probes, start software, 
dump into an Excel spreadsheet or report.  Communication between 
the Fluke and the PC is done through serial ports.  - Doug McKean 



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NPSS Member Recruitment Dinner Meeting on Wednesday, May 22

[Matt Campanella]

All,

Please consider this an invitation for the Northeast Product Safety
Society annual member recruitment dinner to be held on Wednesday, May
22, at the Best Western Royal Plaza Hotel & Trade Center in Marlborough,
MA.  If you will be in the area on May 22nd, please consider joining us
for dinner and the opportunity to mingle with interesting people
involved with product safety.  If you are not yet an NPSS member, this
is a great opportunity for you to become a member.

The buffet dinner will include chicken Picatta with a lemon caper Beurre
Blanc sauce, or sliced top round of beef with a Natural Jus.  Salad and
vegetables will be included.  Appetizers will be available with a cash
bar at 6 o’clock and the dinner starting at 7:00 PM.

There is no charge for NPSS members but there is a $20 nominal fee to
non-NPSS members.  You can become a member anytime before the start of
the dinner and save the $20 non-member fee.  If you are in doubt as to
your status, please check our web site at
http://www.nepss.org/membership/duespaidmembersrev12.html to verify.
Any questions should be directed to John Freudenberg.

Reservations are required for both NPSS members and non-members.  If you
are planning to attend, please email Donna Kearney at
dkear...@curtis-straus.com or call at (978) 486-8880 X272 and let her
know how many people we may expect.  Please provide any special dietary
requirements information with your reservation confirmation and every
attempt will be made to provide for your needs.

For further information about this dinner meeting, please see the NPSS
website at http://www.nepss.org/meetings/next-mtgmay.html.

The 2002 NPSS meeting schedule is available on the NPSS website at
http://www.nepss.org/meetings/npss2002kf.html.

The President's April message is available on the NPSS website at
http://www.nepss.org/president/messagepres_043002.html.

Further information about the Northeast Product Safety Society and how
to become a member is available at http://www.nepss.org.  You can also
contact one of the NPSS officers via links at
http://www.nepss.org/secretary/officerskf.html.


Directions:
>From Route 495 North or South take exit 24B, Route 20W heading towards
Northborough.
The Best Western Royal Plaza Hotel & Trade Center is on the right
approximately one mile from Route 495


Matt Campanella
   NPSS Secretary

Compliance Engineer
Motorola, Inc.
Broadband Communications Sector
3 Highwood Drive East
Tewksbury, MA 01876

(978) 858-2303   Direct
(978) 858-2300   Main
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SIMULATION OF CONDUCTED EMISSIONS

[Gordon,Ian]

Does anyone know of a CAD package which will provide a realistic simulation
of conducted emissions?
Thanks
Ian Gordon
  


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RE: stun guns on aircraft

[Gert Gremmen]

So Ghery,

Please let us all know your future flight schedual, so
we can avoid sharing the same plane ...

As you might know, yesterday, in analogy to USA 1963 Kennedy, a
Netherlands Prime Minister kandidate , Pim Fortuin,
a fighter for the rights for free speaking, to the degree
that he attacked laws against discrimination, was
killed by a such representative of the TRUE FREE MEN .

I supposed , Ghery , that your interpretation of being
a FREE man is not limited to the WORD...

Gert Gremmen

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From: owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
[mailto:owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org]On Behalf Of Pettit, Ghery
Sent: dinsdag 7 mei 2002 01:24
To: 'Ted Rook'; <
Subject: RE: stun guns on aircraft



I've resisted jumping in in this fashion, but -

FREE MEN OWN GUNS!

Those who will trade essential freedoms for temporary security deserve
neither - Benjamin Franklin.

Folks, the 2nd Amendment pre-dates the wild west by a long time.  Those of
us who value our RIGHTS are tired of the wimps in the world trying to take
them away.

Ghery S. Pettit
Life Member, National Rifle Association


-Original Message-
From: Ted Rook [mailto:t...@crestaudio.com]
Sent: Monday, May 06, 2002 1:08 PM
To: <
Subject: stun guns on aircraft



and other safety considerations

keep the hijackers off planes using ground security

an airplane in flight is not the place to have gun fights

too many lives are at risk

the first priority is to get the plane safely on the ground, anywhere

then at least the passengers have a chance

Most citizens of most countries enjoy the security that comes from having
thrashed out land rights, territorial disputes, and the systems of law and
law enforcement before firearms were invented.

America is one of the few places in the West that relies on firearms as a
negotiating tool.
This is poor judgement. 
Firearms are offensive weapons not negotiating tools. 
Giving someone a gun escalates an already dangerous situation. 
Now you want the pilot to not only assure the safety of the plane but also
be an effective executioner. 
Asking too much IMHO.
Unfortunately America was taken by force and is defended by force and is
unlikely ever to change.




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RE: stun guns on aircraft

[Kazimier_Gawrzyjal]

Aa fresh can of worms.

Regards,
Kaz Gawrzyjal

-Original Message-
From: Pettit, Ghery [mailto:ghery.pet...@intel.com]
Sent: Monday, May 06, 2002 6:24 PM
To: 'Ted Rook'; <
Subject: RE: stun guns on aircraft



I've resisted jumping in in this fashion, but -

FREE MEN OWN GUNS!

Those who will trade essential freedoms for temporary security deserve
neither - Benjamin Franklin.

Folks, the 2nd Amendment pre-dates the wild west by a long time.  Those of
us who value our RIGHTS are tired of the wimps in the world trying to take
them away.

Ghery S. Pettit
Life Member, National Rifle Association


-Original Message-
From: Ted Rook [mailto:t...@crestaudio.com]
Sent: Monday, May 06, 2002 1:08 PM
To: <
Subject: stun guns on aircraft



and other safety considerations

keep the hijackers off planes using ground security

an airplane in flight is not the place to have gun fights

too many lives are at risk

the first priority is to get the plane safely on the ground, anywhere

then at least the passengers have a chance

Most citizens of most countries enjoy the security that comes from having
thrashed out land rights, territorial disputes, and the systems of law and
law enforcement before firearms were invented.

America is one of the few places in the West that relies on firearms as a
negotiating tool.
This is poor judgement. 
Firearms are offensive weapons not negotiating tools. 
Giving someone a gun escalates an already dangerous situation. 
Now you want the pilot to not only assure the safety of the plane but also
be an effective executioner. 
Asking too much IMHO.
Unfortunately America was taken by force and is defended by force and is
unlikely ever to change.




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RE: What Every Startup Needs to Know About NEBS

[Robert Wilson]

You never showed photos of the NEBS flame test! Nothing like burning
your equipment to a crisp with a 1 foot high flame from a line burner,
for good entertainment :)
 
Bob Wilson 
TIR Systems Ltd. 
Vancouver. 
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From: Dave Lorusso [mailto:dave.loru...@genband.com] 
Sent: May 6, 2002 3:11 PM
To: 'emc-p...@ieee.org'
Cc: 't...@world.std.com'; 'n...@world.std.com'
Subject: What Every Startup Needs to Know About NEBS
 
FYI,  
 
I just had an article published in Evaluation Engineering magazine
titled: "What Every Startup Needs to Know About NEBS".  You can view it
at:
 
http://www.evaluationengineering.com/archive/articles/0502emc.htm
 
The article details the steps we took at General Bandwidth to pass NEBS
testing our first time out.  There's a pretty good resource section at
the end that's not in the print copy.  I hope the group finds it useful.
 
Best regards,
 

Dave Lorusso

Director of Product Integrity
General Bandwidth, Inc.
12303 Technology Blvd.
Austin, TX 78727
512-681-5480 (phone)
512-681-5481 (fax)
dave.loru...@genband.com
www.genband.com