best screw/washer choices for attaching PCB to Chassis?

2003-02-10 Thread Kim Flint

Hi-

We have a fairly straightforward requirement of mounting a PCB into a steel
chassis. The chassis has PEM type standoffs and the PCB is held to them with
machine screws. These connections provide an electrical ground path between
the PCB and the chassis. 

In other words, we have what seems to be the fairly ordinary and common set of
requirements. We need to have mechanical reliability (so the PCB is held in
place), nothing should break during assembly, the screws should not be able to
work themselves out, and electrical conductivity should be low for a low
impedance ground path. Seems simple, yet all of us here have a different
opinion about how to do this properly, we've all done it a variety of ways in
our past, and none of us seems to have the right expertise to really claim to
know the definitive answer. 

I'm hoping to get some expert opinions from this group, or at least some idea
of what others do assuming there is some reasonable justification for it. Can
you help? Or perhaps point me towards some good discussion on the subject? (I
did search the 2+ years of mail I have from this group, since the archives
don't seem to be online...) 

The questions are:

Screw/Washer choice:
- should a washer be used or not?
- if a washer is used, should it be a locking washer?
- Is it possible for a locking washer to cause unwanted damage to the PCB?
- Is an adhesive like Loctite a reasonable alternative to lock washers in this
case?
- should the screw be zinc plated? or some other plating?


PCB layout:
- Should we use a plated through-hole with ground planes connected inside the
hole? 
- or a non-plated hole with vias in the surface layer pad connecting to the
ground plane?
- What electrical or reliability concerns relate to this choice?
- how large should the surface pad be assuming a 4-40 screw? 

anything else we should be considering?

Thanks for any input you have!

kim



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equipment question

2003-02-10 Thread Summers, Chet

Hello group.  I am interested in demoing a 2GHz BW LeCroy oscilloscope, and
would like some honest (I expect nothing less!) feedback from those who have
used or currently use LeCroy gear.  I am particularly interested in the
quality of customer service provided by LeCroy.  

Please contact me offline via the email below.

thank you,

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Multi-colored LED

2003-02-10 Thread Gandler, Mark

Hi,
is there any BellCore standards regarding , multi-colored LED's?
Thanks,
Mark Gandler
Ciena


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RE: Electrical Medical Product Production Testing

2003-02-10 Thread gr...@test4safety.com

I would find it hard to think of ANY agencies that WOULD NOT require 100%
testing.

I was at a product liability seminar at British Standards Institute many
years ago and someone asked about sampling levels for Earth Bond and Earth
Leakage on consumer goods. The BSI panel took some time to understand that
the questioner was serious.

A lot of us took mental (and written) note of the company name - to ensure
that we would not purchase anything from them.

Best regards

Gregg






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Subject: Electrical Medical Product Production Testing


Does anybody know any Certification Agencies and/or Standards anywhere in
the world requiring Production Line Leakage Current Testing on Electrical
Medical Products? If so, does anybody have it in writing?

Thanks for the help,

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Re: Electrical Medical Product Production Testing

2003-02-10 Thread peter merguerian
Bill, 


There is no requirement by any agency to conduct a Production-Line Leakage
Test. I think, it is up to the manufacturer to decide whether this test or any
other test, including Production-Line Dielectric and Earth Continuity is
needed. If manufacturer has a good quality system including receiving,
in-process and final production, then why would someone need to spend money
and time on production-line testing? 


I know that most UL standards require Production-Line Dielectric Strength and
Earth Continuity Tests. On the other side of the ocean, most European
standards do not require these type of tests and it is up to the manufacturer
to show the test house that such testing is not required. 


Peter 


 FastWave bi...@fastwave.com wrote: 



Does anybody know any Certification Agencies and/or Standards anywhere in
the world requiring Production Line Leakage Current Testing on Electrical
Medical Products? If so, does anybody have it in writing?

Thanks for the help,

Bill Bisenius
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EMC-Related Functional Safety

2003-02-10 Thread drcuthbert

An interesting article in the January issue of EMC Compliance Journal
EMC-Related Functional Safety
http://www.compliance-club.com/article.php?sid=119mode=order=0
   
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Electrical Medical Product Production Testing

2003-02-10 Thread FastWave

Does anybody know any Certification Agencies and/or Standards anywhere in
the world requiring Production Line Leakage Current Testing on Electrical
Medical Products? If so, does anybody have it in writing?

Thanks for the help,

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EDD, Inc.
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RE: GPIB filtered bulkhead connectors.

2003-02-10 Thread Price, Ed


-Original Message-
From: drcuthbert [mailto:drcuthb...@micron.com]
Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 8:12 AM
To: 'Luke Turnbull'; 
Subject: RE: GPIB filtered bulkhead connectors.



Simply terminating the shield at the screened room wall 
eliminates common
mode shield current. No more filtering needs to be done.

   Dave Cuthbert
   Micron Technology

-Original Message-
From: Luke Turnbull [mailto:luke.turnb...@trw.com]
Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 7:38 AM
To: 
Subject: GPIB filtered bulkhead connectors.



Group,

Does anyone know where I can buy filtered bulkhead connectors 
for running
GPIB cables through screened room walls.  Approximate cost?

Alternatively, does anyone know suppliers and cost for GPIB fibre-optic
extenders.

Thanks,

Luke Turnbull



Filtering of signal or I/O lines at a penetration port is often required.

In the case of radiated immunity testing, the applied fields may penetrate
the EUT, then travel through the I/O lines, and upset support equipment.
This will result in excessive test time at the best, or improper indications
of test failure at the worst.

In the case of emission testing, support equipment will often inject noise
onto the I/O lines, which is then conducted into the EUT. There, it may
couple onto the EUT powerlines or be directly radiated. This will result in
improper indications of emissions which do not truly originate from the EUT.

All test chamber penetrations should be filtered as heavily as possible,
consistent with not impairing the integrity of the data signals.

Regards,

Ed





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Re: GPIB filtered bulkhead connectors.

2003-02-10 Thread Hans Mellberg

National Instruments and others offer GPIB to F.O. adapters.

--- Luke Turnbull luke.turnb...@trw.com wrote:
 
 Group,
 
 Does anyone know where I can buy filtered bulkhead connectors for running
GPIB
 cables through screened room walls.  Approximate cost?
 
 Alternatively, does anyone know suppliers and cost for GPIB fibre-optic
extenders.
 
 Thanks,
 
 Luke Turnbull
 
 
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RE: GPIB filtered bulkhead connectors.

2003-02-10 Thread drcuthbert

Simply terminating the shield at the screened room wall eliminates common
mode shield current. No more filtering needs to be done.

   Dave Cuthbert
   Micron Technology


From: Luke Turnbull [mailto:luke.turnb...@trw.com]
Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 7:38 AM
To: 
Subject: GPIB filtered bulkhead connectors.



Group,

Does anyone know where I can buy filtered bulkhead connectors for running
GPIB cables through screened room walls.  Approximate cost?

Alternatively, does anyone know suppliers and cost for GPIB fibre-optic
extenders.

Thanks,

Luke Turnbull



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GPIB filtered bulkhead connectors.

2003-02-10 Thread Luke Turnbull

Group,

Does anyone know where I can buy filtered bulkhead connectors for running GPIB
cables through screened room walls.  Approximate cost?

Alternatively, does anyone know suppliers and cost for GPIB fibre-optic
extenders.

Thanks,

Luke Turnbull



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Re, Try http://www.ihs.com: Resource for Online Standard...

2003-02-10 Thread Guy Boone
Cheng-Wee;
On-line standards are available for pay per viewing at 
http://www.ihs.com/ http://www.ihs.com/.  At one point, they offered a
2-Week Free Trial Offer...  They target large corporations, for corporate
packages.

A sister organization http://global.ihs.com/ is available for online purchases
of standards.

I have found the IHS online service to be great, and feel that this trend
needs to be support...  Certainly it creates new challenges for the standards
development industry.

Regards,
  
  Guy Boone, P. Eng
  Electrical Engineer, specializing 
 in Safety Compliance  Power/Control Systems Design
 Steering Committee Member -  http://www.raft-global.org/
www.RAFT-Global.org 
 35 Athena Way 
 Ottawa (Nepean), ON K2G 6S1  Tel: 613-823-7534



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[  mailto:owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
mailto:owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org]On Behalf Of Andre,
Pierre-Marie
Sent: February 10, 2003 3:46 AM
To: Cheng-Wee Lai; Emc-Pstc
Subject: RE: Resource for Online Standard.


Hi Cheng,

This is a good question but implies a lot of search work that we are all as
regulatory engineer involved.

Why don't you try with :  http://tsk.telcordia.com/about.cfm
http://tsk.telcordia.com/about.cfm
And/or thsis one :  http://www.cssinfo.com/ http://www.cssinfo.com/

Cssinfo do have link to IEC,EN,.

Good luck  and let us know

Pierre-Marie Andre



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[mailto:owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org]On Behalf Of Luke Turnbull
Sent: February 10, 2003 4:24 AM
To: chengwee_...@emclab2000.com; emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
Subject: Re: Resource for Online Standard.
 
My last company subscribed to BSI http://bsonline.techindex.co.uk/ which
allowed all employees to view most IEC, ISO, CENELEC standards. It worked very
well. I don't think that it would be cheap though.
 
Luke Turnbull


From: Cheng-Wee Lai [ mailto:chengwee_...@emclab2000.com]
Sent: samedi 8 février 2003 01:24
To: Emc-Pstc
Subject: Resource for Online Standard.

All,

I know this might be a very stupid question to ask, but is there a place where
I can pay a flat subscription fee and able to read all these new standard
(e.g. all these IEC, EN, ISO, ANSI, UL, AU/NZ etc), so I don't need to worry
about collecting all the up to date standard.

Cause by the time I get the whole set, I find myself ready to redo the
collecting cycle again because there are new edition coming.

Cheng-Wee Lai



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RE: Resource for Online Standard.

2003-02-10 Thread richwo...@tycoint.com

If any company has such a program, it is probably IHS.
http://global.ihs.com/

Richard Woods
Sensormatic Electronics
Tyco International



From: Cheng-Wee Lai [mailto:chengwee_...@emclab2000.com]
Sent: Friday, February 07, 2003 7:24 PM
To: Emc-Pstc
Subject: Resource for Online Standard.



All,

I know this might be a very stupid question to ask, but is there a place
where I can pay a flat subscription fee and able to read all these new
standard (e.g. all these IEC, EN, ISO, ANSI, UL, AU/NZ etc), so I don't need
to worry about collecting all the up to date standard.

Cause by the time I get the whole set, I find myself ready to redo the
collecting cycle again because there are new edition coming.

Cheng-Wee Lai





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Re: Resource for Online Standard.

2003-02-10 Thread Luke Turnbull

My last company subscribed to BSI http://bsonline.techindex.co.uk/ which
allowed all employees to view most IEC, ISO, CENELEC standards.  It worked
very well.  I don't think that it would be cheap though.

Luke Turnbull

 Cheng-Wee Lai chengwee_...@emclab2000.com 02/08/03 12:24am 

All,

I know this might be a very stupid question to ask, but is there a place
where I can pay a flat subscription fee and able to read all these new
standard (e.g. all these IEC, EN, ISO, ANSI, UL, AU/NZ etc), so I don't need
to worry about collecting all the up to date standard.

Cause by the time I get the whole set, I find myself ready to redo the
collecting cycle again because there are new edition coming.

Cheng-Wee Lai





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RE: Resource for Online Standard.

2003-02-10 Thread Andre, Pierre-Marie

Hi Cheng,
This is a good question but implies a lot of search work that we are all as
regulatory engineer involved.
Why don't you try with : http://tsk.telcordia.com/about.cfm
And/or thsis one : http://www.cssinfo.com/


Cssinfo do have link to IEC,EN,.
Good luck  and let us know


Pierre-Marie Andre



From: Cheng-Wee Lai [mailto:chengwee_...@emclab2000.com] 
Sent: samedi 8 février 2003 01:24
To: Emc-Pstc
Subject: Resource for Online Standard.


All,

I know this might be a very stupid question to ask, but is there a place
where I can pay a flat subscription fee and able to read all these new
standard (e.g. all these IEC, EN, ISO, ANSI, UL, AU/NZ etc), so I don't need
to worry about collecting all the up to date standard.

Cause by the time I get the whole set, I find myself ready to redo the
collecting cycle again because there are new edition coming.

Cheng-Wee Lai





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