Re: [PSES] Google's autonomous car
One of the Google cars made an appearance at this year's IEEE PSES symposium in San Jose. After talking with the engineer who drove it there, I don't think it will be on the market any time soon. It uses a custom street mapping software (not Google maps!), it still doesn't drive well in fog, and it requires the driver to pay attention because it can't detect hand signals from other drivers such as waving you on, etc. My most important question to the engineer was can the car drive itself to the grocery store and then park itself in one of those little angled spaces. The engineer laughed and said Not yet. Patty Knudsen Teradata From: Doug Powell [doug...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2014 9:57 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [PSES] Google's autonomous car So the self-driving autonomous car is out and seems to collecting approvals. http://spectrum.ieee.org/transportation/advanced-cars/how-googles-autonomous-car-passed-the-first-us-state-selfdriving-test/ A few things come to mind... Interesting they chose a Prius for this test. A few years ago, I recall a concern about extremely quiet cars being a problem in busy areas where there are many pedestrians. Apparently people crossing a street rely as much on hearing as on visual queues to know when it is safe to cross. I know there were a few instances where people would unexpectedly step in front of a car when they did not realize it was near. While I am driving in traffic, I always try to make eye contact with other drivers in my immediate area. It allows me to better anticipate their moves in traffic. Of course the Google car has no driver so I will be very uncomfortable if I am around a vehicle like this. Worse still if if they decide to put a manikin behind the wheel. In 1975, I attended EXPO '75 in Okinawa Japan. Around exposition park they had what I believe they called a people mover. It was interesting because this was my first exposure to a driverless vehicle of any sort. It moved slower than you can walk and it was on tracks so it could not wander off into the crowd, but I did notice one thing, There was a single headlights installed on the front which they turned on at night. My first thought was who needs this light. Of course it was for any pedestrians in crosswalks as well as for the emotional well being of those who were riding onboard. I suppose autonomous vehicles are inevitable but I would like to see far more kilometers of supervised driving, multiple autonomous vehicles operating in concert, in all driving conditions before I completely trust this sort of thing. Maybe I'm just cautious. In my state of Colorado all student drivers are required by law to log 50 hours of supervised driving in addition to all the study requirements. With my own children they each logged between 500 to 1000 hours before I felt comfortable before handing them the keys on a solo drive to the corner market. Eventually, I suppose this means bus and taxi drivers will become obsolete. Then not long after that, when self-unloading semi-trailer trucks are invented, we will be surrounded by trucks carrying 20 tons of freight going 70 MPH down our highways. This is going to be great fun. Best, Doug -- Douglas E Powell doug...@gmail.commailto:doug...@gmail.com Skype: doug.powell52 http://www.linkedin.com/in/dougp01 - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.orgmailto:emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe)http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.netmailto:emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.orgmailto:mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher j.bac...@ieee.orgmailto:j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald dhe...@gmail.commailto:dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats),
Re: [PSES] RoHS for common hardware
We source small pieces (nuts, bolts, screws) from a single vendor. We get an umbrella declaration of conformity from them and they retain declarations from their individual part suppliers. Patty Knudsen Teradata -Original Message- From: Pete Perkins [mailto:0061f3f32d0c-dmarc-requ...@ieee.org] Sent: Monday, June 02, 2014 3:52 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [PSES] RoHS for common hardware Colleagues, Sometimes it seems impossible to get RoHS compliance docs for misc small hardware. Wot common approach is your company taking for such? :) br, Pete Peter E Perkins, PE Principal Product Safety Engineer PO Box 23427 Tigard, ORe 97281-3427 503/452-1201 fone/fax p.perk...@ieee.org - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
Re: [PSES] Translation of EU Declaration
The RoHS recast directive has the same requirement, which is now in effect. We translated our DoCs into the five most common languages of the EU countries where we ship and made them available if anyone asks (an English version goes with the equipment). So far no one has asked for a translated copy. Patty Knudsen Teradata From: Jim Hulbert [mailto:jim.hulb...@pb.com] Sent: Friday, May 30, 2014 8:13 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [PSES] Translation of EU Declaration The re-cast EMCD and LVD both state that the EU declaration must be translated into the language required by a member state into which the apparatus is to be made available. Does that mean a product sold throughout the EU must have a declaration translated into all 20+ languages? Jim Hulbert Pitney Bowes - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.orgmailto:emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe)http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.netmailto:emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.orgmailto:mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher j.bac...@ieee.orgmailto:j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald dhe...@gmail.commailto:dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
Re: [PSES] Safety labeling of domestic appliances for the Indian market
Jacob, A microwave will need to meet the lovely new product registration requirements in India. India does not currently accept CB reports for products or test reports from foreign labs. You will need to use an in-country lab for testing and must submit identical samples from each manufacturing facility. Also, the manufacturing factory will need to apply for registration; India does not accept registrations from the main company responsible for the product, only the factory producing it. I suggest you check out the DeitY website. DeitY is responsible for the actual requirements, BIS just does the registration. Scroll down to Standards and Mandatory Registration Scheme: http://deity.gov.in/content/electronic-hardware And their latest FAQ: http://deity.gov.in/sites/upload_files/dit/files/FAQ_R6_30_1_14.pdf These requirements have been a nightmare for most companies to deal with as they are apt to change with little or no notice. Good luck. Regards, Patty Knudsen PRODUCT SAFETY ENGINEERING 17095 Via del Campo San Diego, CA 92127 858-485-3748 Teradata Analytic Data Platforms | Applications | Services patricia.knud...@teradata.commailto:patricia.knud...@teradata.com teradata.comhttp://www.teradata.com The information contained in this message is private and confidential, is the property of Teradata Corporation, and is solely for the use of its intended recipient. If you are not the person to whom this e-mail is addressed, or if it has been sent to you in error, please notify the sender immediately. If you are not the intended recipient, please note that permission to use, copy, disclose, alter or distribute this message, and any attachments, is expressly denied. Please consider the environment before printing. From: Jacob Gleeson [mailto:jacob.glee...@eu.panasonic.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2014 6:45 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [PSES] Safety labeling of domestic appliances for the Indian market Hello, Would anyone know the safety labelling requirements for domestic appliances, specifically microwave ovens, sold in the Indian market? I have looked at the CB bulletin but there are no additional requirements for India, I've also looked at the BIS website but found nothing of use there. Any information concerning this matter will be gratefully received. Thanks Jacob Gleeson - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.orgmailto:emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe)http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.netmailto:emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.orgmailto:mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher j.bac...@ieee.orgmailto:j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald dhe...@gmail.commailto:dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
Re: [PSES] UV aging
In the past I have used ASTM D4587-11. http://www.astm.org/Standards/D4587.htm Regards, Patty Knudsen PRODUCT SAFETY ENGINEERING 17095 Via del Campo San Diego, CA 92127 858-485-3748 Teradata Analytic Data Platforms | Applications | Services patricia.knud...@teradata.commailto:patricia.knud...@teradata.com teradata.comhttp://www.teradata.com The information contained in this message is private and confidential, is the property of Teradata Corporation, and is solely for the use of its intended recipient. If you are not the person to whom this e-mail is addressed, or if it has been sent to you in error, please notify the sender immediately. If you are not the intended recipient, please note that permission to use, copy, disclose, alter or distribute this message, and any attachments, is expressly denied. Please consider the environment before printing. From: McInturff, Gary [mailto:gary.mcintu...@esterline.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2013 7:25 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [PSES] UV aging Anybody know anything about UV aging for paints? I've looked over a couple of standards and see at least one that purports 1,000 hours of test time under Xenon lamps (I believe) is roughly 1 year in the Florida sun, but more specifically I'm looking at the damage curve or something similar - if it exists. Is most of the damage done in the first few days and then it goes asymptotic like a capacitor discharge curve, or linear etc. The main trouble with standards is that you have to buy them before you know what's in them so I'm trying to zoom in a little before paying out the cash. Standard scopes sometimes give a good idea what to expect some do not. I know this isn't a EMC kind of thing - but we work around and with a lot of different equipment and equipment requirements so I thought I would take a chance here. Thank you Gary McInturff Reliability/Compliance Engineer Esterline Interface Technologies Featuring ADVANCED INPUT, GAMESMAN, LRE MEDICAL, and MEMTRON products 600 W. Wilbur Avenue Coeur d'Alene, ID 83815-9496 Toll Free: 800-444-5923 X1XXX Tel: (208) 635-8 Fax: (208) 635-8 www.esterline.com/interfacetechnologieshttp://www.esterline.com/interfacetechnologies Technology, Innovation, Performance... Information in or attached to this e-mail message may be subject to export control restrictions of the International Traffic in Arms Regulations (ITAR) (22 CFR pts. 120-130) or the Export Administration Regulations (EAR) (15 CFR pts. 730-774). Before exporting this information outside the United States or releasing it to a foreign person in the United States, you need to determine whether a license under the EAR or the ITAR is required to do so. If you have any questions about this obligation, please contact me. Click herehttp://www.esterline.com/governance/email_disclaimer/tabid/1532/Default.aspx to read disclaimer - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.orgmailto:emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe)http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.netmailto:emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.orgmailto:mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher j.bac...@ieee.orgmailto:j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald dhe...@gmail.commailto:dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
Re: [PSES] India ITE approvals
The latest information for India registration and extension can be found at the following sites: Bureau of Indian Standards (BIS): http://www.bis.org.in/other/ITCompReg.htm Department of Electronics and Information Technology (DeitY), scroll down the page to the Standards section: http://deity.gov.in/content/electronic-hardware Patty Knudsen Product Safety Engineering 17095 Via del Campo San Diego, CA 92127 858-485-3748 -Original Message- From: Knighten, Jim L Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2013 9:25 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] India ITE approvals David, No, there is not extension. There is a 90 day extension available for companies who have their products submitted for testing prior to the deadline, but who have not yet received a test report. You must apply for this extension. Jim __ James L. Knighten, Ph.D. EMC Engineer Teradata Corporation 17095 Via Del Campo San Diego, CA 92127 858-485-2537 - phone 858-485-3788 - fax (unattended) -Original Message- From: Gelfand, David [mailto:david.gelf...@ca.kontron.com] Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2013 7:20 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [PSES] India ITE approvals As of July 3 there is are new mandatory approvals requiring in-country safety testing. Has there been any extension of this date? Could anyone share their experience getting India approvals under this new scheme? Thanks, David David Gelfand Compliance Specialist Kontron Canada Inc - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
Re: [PSES] Approved Wire
What kind of equipment is it? The US deviations for 60950-1 clause 4.7.3.4 require the following inside a fire enclosure: * wiring, cables and connectors insulated with PVC, TFE, PTFE, FEP, polychloroprene or polyimide; * wire that complies with the requirements for VW-1 or FT-1 or better, and that is so marked (US/Canada deviation); Our ITE products use UL approved wiring that meets the above requirements and we have no problem selling the equipment in the EU. Regards, Patty Knudsen Product Safety Engineering 17095 Via del Campo San Diego, CA 92127 858-485-3748 Teradata Labs patricia.knud...@teradata.com mailto:patricia.knud...@teradata.com%0bteradata.comhttp://www.teradata.com/ Facebookhttps://www.facebook.com/Teradata The information contained in this message is private and confidential, is the property of Teradata Corporation, and is solely for the use of its intended recipient. If you are not the person to whom this e-mail is addressed, or if it has been sent to you in error, please notify the sender immediately. If you are not the intended recipient, please note that permission to use, copy, disclose, alter or distribute this message, and any attachments, is expressly denied. Please consider the environment before printing. From: Amund Westin [mailto:am...@westin-emission.no] Sent: Monday, May 13, 2013 4:54 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [PSES] Approved Wire Consider an metallic enclosure with some 230VAC and 28VDC equipment inside, and connected by single wires. What kind of approval (EU/US) is required for single wires? Cheers! Amund - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.orgmailto:emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.netmailto:emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.orgmailto:mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher j.bac...@ieee.orgmailto:j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald dhe...@gmail.commailto:dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
Re: [PSES] Test Report Forms for IEC/EN/UL/CSA 61010-1 3rd Edition
I purchased the IEC/EN 60950-1 TRF from the IEC webstore. It includes the EN CENELEC common modifications and Annex ZB special national conditions for the EU, but no other country deviations. Patty Knudsen Product Safety Engineering 17095 Via del Campo San Diego, CA 92127 858-485-3748 Teradata Labs patricia.knud...@teradata.com teradata.com -Original Message- From: Kunde, Brian [mailto:brian_ku...@lecotc.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2013 10:01 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Test Report Forms for IEC/EN/UL/CSA 61010-1 3rd Edition Thanks for the information but I'm getting different answers from different people. Our local TUV:SUD office told me if I order the TRF from IEC that it will include all available national deviations provided in a separate document. I emailed the IEC off their website to ask them but no reply after several days. I purchased a copy of the IEC 61010-1 3rd Ed several years ago. Now that UL and CSA has published their version, is there a way I can get just a list of their National Differences without having to buy their Tri-National version and go through it line by line? There must be an easier way that I'm just not aware of. Please help. Thanks, The Other Brian -Original Message- From: Boštjan Glavič [mailto:bostjan.gla...@siq.si] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2013 11:47 PM To: Kunde, Brian; EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: RE: Test Report Forms for IEC/EN/UL/CSA 61010-1 3rd Edition Dear Brian, You cannot buy a prepared test report form with all national deviations. You can only buy a basic IEC TRF on iec web page. TRFs are available free of charge if your laboratory is a member of CB scheme. You can ask your certification body for support. Each certification body and CBTL has access to on-line CB Bulletin on CB scheme web page, where are published all national deviations. Therefore each laboratory is including national deviations into IEC TRF. I hope it helps. Best regards, Bostjan -Original Message- From: Kunde, Brian [mailto:brian_ku...@lecotc.com] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2013 9:24 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [PSES] Test Report Forms for IEC/EN/UL/CSA 61010-1 3rd Edition Where can I purchase the Test Report Form for the IEC 61010-1 3rd Edition which includes all the National Deviations for Eruope, US, Canada, Australia, etc.?? I've found some for the 2nd edition but not yet for the 3rd edition. Thanks, The Other Brian LECO Corporation Notice: This communication may contain confidential information intended for the named recipient(s) only. If you received this by mistake, please destroy it and notify us of the error. Thank you. - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com LECO Corporation Notice: This communication may contain confidential information intended for the named recipient(s) only. If you received this by mistake, please destroy it and notify us of the error. Thank you. - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to
Re: [PSES] Summary of compliance with National Differences
Here is the list of CB Scheme members. http://members.iecee.org/ Patty Knudsen Product Safety Engineering 17095 Via del Campo San Diego, CA 92127 858-485-3748 Teradata Labs patricia.knud...@teradata.com mailto:patricia.knud...@teradata.com%0bteradata.comhttp://www.teradata.com/ Facebookhttps://www.facebook.com/Teradata The information contained in this message is private and confidential, is the property of Teradata Corporation, and is solely for the use of its intended recipient. If you are not the person to whom this e-mail is addressed, or if it has been sent to you in error, please notify the sender immediately. If you are not the intended recipient, please note that permission to use, copy, disclose, alter or distribute this message, and any attachments, is expressly denied. Please consider the environment before printing. From: Grace Lin [mailto:graceli...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 10:16 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Summary of compliance with National Differences Thank you very much, Joe. I found a CB report online that included the following statement: Compliance with the National requirements of (countries) as given in CB Bulletin (112A) dated December 2006 and IECEE website dated July 2009 were also confirmed. A quick visit to cbscheme.orghttp://cbscheme.org found that CB Bulletin was not free to the general public. Is there anyway that a CB report reader can find out a list of CB Scheme members? On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 9:47 AM, Joe Randolph j...@randolph-telecom.commailto:j...@randolph-telecom.com wrote: Hi Grace: I'm pretty sure that by default, a (passing) CD report on the standard report is interpreted as showing compliance with the requirements of all CB member countries that do not have additional national deviations. The section on national deviations shows the list of *additional* countries that have national deviations that were tested in addition to the requirements that are common to all countries. I can see how this could be confusing, though, since a non-safety person would simply like to see a list of all the countries that are covered by the report. The only way I can think to accomplish that is to provide the non-safety person with a list of all the countries that are members of the CB scheme, showing which ones have national deviations and which ones do not. It may also be necessary to provide some explanation of what the CB scheme is and how it works. Joe Randolph Telecom Design Consultant Randolph Telecom, Inc. 781-721-2848tel:781-721-2848 (USA) http://www.randolph-telecom.com http://www.randolph-telecom.com/ Dear Members, Please help me understand the language under Summary of compliance with National Differences of a CB report. Does List of countries addressed: refer to the country deviations evaluated? Or, does it refer to the report covering/applying (only) to the countries listed? For a non Safety expert, how to tell if a country is covered in a CB report? Thank you very much and look forward to hearing from you. Best regards, Grace Lin - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.orgmailto:emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.netmailto:emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.orgmailto:mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher j.bac...@ieee.orgmailto:j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald dhe...@gmail.commailto:dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.orgmailto:emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.netmailto:emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell
Re: [PSES] Compliance fonts?
I’ve never seen artwork available from anywhere but the agencies themselves. I imagine they want to control the availability of their marks so that counterfeit manufacturers can’t easily get to them. Patty Knudsen Product Safety Engineering 17095 Via del Campo San Diego, CA 92127 858-485-3748 Teradata Labs patricia.knud...@teradata.com mailto:patricia.knud...@teradata.com%0bteradata.comhttp://www.teradata.com/ Facebookhttps://www.facebook.com/Teradata The information contained in this message is private and confidential, is the property of Teradata Corporation, and is solely for the use of its intended recipient. If you are not the person to whom this e-mail is addressed, or if it has been sent to you in error, please notify the sender immediately. If you are not the intended recipient, please note that permission to use, copy, disclose, alter or distribute this message, and any attachments, is expressly denied. Please consider the environment before printing. From: Ron Pickard [mailto:rpick...@rpqconsulting.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2013 10:01 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [PSES] Compliance fonts? Has anyone made or know of a font that contains compliance symbols, agency logos, etc? If so and if you're willing to share, I and maybe others would be interested. Please note that I am aware of and am sensitive to copyright issues that this may introduce. I am simply asking if there's anything like that out there, commercially available or not. I look forward to your reply. Best regards, Ron Pickard Sent from my Android phone - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.orgmailto:emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.netmailto:emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.orgmailto:mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher j.bac...@ieee.orgmailto:j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald dhe...@gmail.commailto:dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
Re: [PSES] RoHS EN 50581 Acceptable Documentation
Realistically, what would a Supplier Declaration or Signed Contractual Agreement look like? My company buys small piece parts (nuts, bolts, screws, washers, etc.) from a single supplier. The supplier has RoHS compliance documentation from all vendors of those parts. The supplier sends us a declaration stating that all parts procured comply with our component specifications for RoHS compliance. Patty Knudsen Product Safety Engineering 17095 Via del Campo San Diego, CA 92127 858-485-3748 Teradata Labs patricia.knud...@teradata.com teradata.com -Original Message- From: Kunde, Brian [mailto:brian_ku...@lecotc.com] Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 10:26 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [PSES] RoHS EN 50581 Acceptable Documentation Within my circles, the people dealing with RoHS is mostly freaking out about the documentation requirement to show or prove compliance of purchased components, assemblies, and materials. The EN 50581:2012 standard calls out three document types that is acceptable for this purpose: 1. Supplier Declarations or Signed Contractual Agreements (note it does not say manufacturer declaration) 2. Material Declarations providing specific content information 3. Analytical Test Report Realistically, what would a Supplier Declaration or Signed Contractual Agreement look like? For small companies like ours, we purchase very few parts directly from the manufacture so we rely on distribution or resellers (suppliers). The documentation we generally get to show RoHS compliance is: Labeling on the part itself Data Sheets Information in Catalog Information in Manual Website Information Emails Our legal advisors feel that agency marks or compliance logos, symbols or statements on products, data sheets or other published documentation is a legal statement or declaration from the manufacturer. This is why companies can be sued for making false statements in such mediums. So would you agree that a RoHS marking or statement on such documents would satisfy the documentation requirement of the directive/standard? Purchase Prints Additionally, our company purchases all parts from a Purchase Print document which includes RoHS compliant requirements on the parts we need. Again, our legal advisors feel that Purchase Prints become a Contractual Agreement with our suppliers. We also have a Supplier Acceptance Program within our Purchasing Department which approves suppliers based on a list of quality requirements. So would you agree that a Purchase Print showing a part must be RoHS compliant would satisfy the documentation requirement of the directive/standard? Any other comments or suggestions? The Other Brian LECO Corporation Notice: This communication may contain confidential information intended for the named recipient(s) only. If you received this by mistake, please destroy it and notify us of the error. Thank you. - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
[PSES] John G. Smith 1944-2012
I have received the sad news that John G. Smith has passed away. He was a fixture in the Southern California compliance community as an expert in EMC and product safety. John was a good friend and mentor, and the guy who was responsible for me getting into product safety initially. I have worked with him on and off for the last 25 years. John was an inspiration to all who knew him. He was paralyzed in an accident at age 21 but did not let that stop him from living life to the fullest. He loved to tinker with things and won prizes for his customized PT Cruiser he designed with the automated arm that would pick up his folded wheelchair and put it in the back seat. He will be greatly missed. Patty Knudsen Product Safety Engineering 17095 Via del Campo San Diego, CA 92127 858-485-3748 Teradata Labs patricia.knud...@teradata.com mailto:patricia.knud...@teradata.com%0bteradata.comhttp://www.teradata.com/ Facebookhttps://www.facebook.com/Teradata The information contained in this message is private and confidential, is the property of Teradata Corporation, and is solely for the use of its intended recipient. If you are not the person to whom this e-mail is addressed, or if it has been sent to you in error, please notify the sender immediately. If you are not the intended recipient, please note that permission to use, copy, disclose, alter or distribute this message, and any attachments, is expressly denied. Please consider the environment before printing. - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
Re: [PSES] Possible Counterfeit EMC Components?
Does the filter have a regulatory safety mark on it? If so, you might want to contact that agency and let them know what you found. Patty Knudsen Product Safety Engineering 17095 Via del Campo San Diego, CA 92127 858-485-3748 -Original Message- From: Kunde, Brian [mailto:brian_ku...@lecotc.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2012 1:42 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [PSES] Possible Counterfeit EMC Components? I recently preformed a safety evaluation of a product made in the far east which contained a suspicious looking rf line filter. Instead of the nice silkscreened markings showing the company name, numbers and a schematic of the filter components, it just had a basic printed label. When I removed the filter and turned it over I found that the case was not soldered but just spot welded in four spots. Are line filter companies cutting corners to save money or might this filter be a counterfeit? The filter manufacturer's website doesn't show this model filter (anymore?) but you can buy them from several online electronic component companies. Has anyone run across counterfeit components and is this something we need to keep an eye out for? My biggest concern is with safety certified components which smaller companies like ours have to purchase through distributors who get them from who knows where. Is this a real concern or am I just being paranoid? Thanks, The Other Brian LECO Corporation Notice: This communication may contain confidential information intended for the named recipient(s) only. If you received this by mistake, please destroy it and notify us of the error. Thank you. - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
Re: [PSES] Gaming equipment Slot machines - Standard?
IEC 60335-2-82, Household and similar electrical appliances - Safety - Part 2-82: Particular requirements for amusement machines and personal service machines Examples of amusement machines that are within the scope of this standard are billiard tables; bowling machines; dartboards; driving simulators; gaming machines; kiddie rides; laser shooting appliances; pinball machines; video games. Examples of personal service machines that are within the scope of the standard are card re-value machines; currency dispensers; luggage lockers; weighing machines; shoe shining appliances. Patty Knudsen Product Safety Engineering 17095 Via del Campo San Diego, CA 92127 858-485-3748 Teradata Labs patricia.knud...@teradata.com mailto:patricia.knud...@teradata.com%0bteradata.comhttp://www.teradata.com/ Facebookhttps://www.facebook.com/Teradata The information contained in this message is private and confidential, is the property of Teradata Corporation, and is solely for the use of its intended recipient. If you are not the person to whom this e-mail is addressed, or if it has been sent to you in error, please notify the sender immediately. If you are not the intended recipient, please note that permission to use, copy, disclose, alter or distribute this message, and any attachments, is expressly denied. Please consider the environment before printing. From: McInturff, Gary [mailto:gary.mcintu...@esterline.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2012 10:01 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [PSES] Gaming equipment Slot machines - Standard? I think UL 22 covers it in the US but does anybody have a clue for EU? Thanks Gary McInturff Reliability/Compliance Engineer Esterline Interface Technologies Featuring ADVANCED INPUT, MEMTRON, and LRE MEDICAL products 600 W. Wilbur Avenue Coeur d'Alene, ID 83815-9496 Office:208-635-8306 Cell: 509 868 2279 Toll Free: 800-444-5923 X 1238 gary.mcintu...@esterline.commailto:brian.s...@esterline.com www.esterline.com/interfacetechnologieshttp://www.esterline.com/advancedinput Technology, Innovation, Performance... - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.orgmailto:emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.netmailto:emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.orgmailto:mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher j.bac...@ieee.orgmailto:j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald dhe...@gmail.commailto:dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
Re: [PSES] Speaking of the LVD Revision.
This one is a bit vague: Amendment 11 Proposal for a directive Article 3 - paragraph 2 a (new) Text proposed by the Commission Amendment 2a. Where applicable, electrical equipment not intended for professional use may be made available on the market only if it is constructed in such way that it can be easily used and accessed by persons with disabilities. Does this mean a PC will need to have a braille keyboard option or voice-recognition software installed before it can ship? At least they made putting an image of the device on the DoC an option instead of a requirement. Patty Knudsen Product Safety Engineering 17095 Via del Campo San Diego, CA 92127 858-485-3748 Teradata Labs patricia.knud...@teradata.com mailto:patricia.knud...@teradata.com%0bteradata.comhttp://www.teradata.com/ Facebookhttps://www.facebook.com/Teradata The information contained in this message is private and confidential, is the property of Teradata Corporation, and is solely for the use of its intended recipient. If you are not the person to whom this e-mail is addressed, or if it has been sent to you in error, please notify the sender immediately. If you are not the intended recipient, please note that permission to use, copy, disclose, alter or distribute this message, and any attachments, is expressly denied. Please consider the environment before printing. From: Crane, Lauren [mailto:lauren.cr...@kla-tencor.com] Sent: Monday, September 17, 2012 10:26 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [PSES] Speaking of the LVD Revision. FYI - The LVD is in the process of being recast to align it with the New Legislative Framework. The Commission's legislative proposal for the recast can be found here http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/LexUriServ.do?uri=COM:2011:0773:FIN:EN:PDF The Parliament's draft report on the Commission's proposal can be found here http://www.europarl.europa.eu/sides/getDoc.do?pubRef=-//EP//NONSGML+COMPARL+PE-488.068+01+DOC+PDF+V0//ENlanguage=EN Some of the amendments proposed by Parliament (in draft) seem reasonable. Others, no so much. Regards, Lauren Crane KLA-Tencor - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.orgmailto:emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.netmailto:emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.orgmailto:mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher j.bac...@ieee.orgmailto:j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald dhe...@gmail.commailto:dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
Re: [PSES] LCD/MSD boundary - bank paying in machine
Banking equipment falls under the IEC 60950-1 safety standard: monetary processing machines including automated teller (cash dispensing) machines (ATM). Therefore I'd go with the LVD. Patty Knudsen Product Safety Engineering 17095 Via del Campo San Diego, CA 92127 858-485-3748 Teradata Labs patricia.knud...@teradata.com mailto:patricia.knud...@teradata.com%0bteradata.comhttp://www.teradata.com/ Facebookhttps://www.facebook.com/Teradata The information contained in this message is private and confidential, is the property of Teradata Corporation, and is solely for the use of its intended recipient. If you are not the person to whom this e-mail is addressed, or if it has been sent to you in error, please notify the sender immediately. If you are not the intended recipient, please note that permission to use, copy, disclose, alter or distribute this message, and any attachments, is expressly denied. Please consider the environment before printing. From: Charlie Blackham [mailto:char...@sulisconsultants.com] Sent: Friday, September 07, 2012 2:27 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [PSES] LCD/MSD boundary - bank paying in machine All MSD Article 2(k) states: Electrical and electronic products falling within the following areas, insofar as they are covered by Council Directive 73/23/EEC of 19 February 1973 on the harmonisation of the laws of Member States relating to electrical equipment designed for use within certain voltage limits (3): - household appliances intended for domestic use, - audio and video equipment, - information technology equipment, - ordinary office machinery, - low-voltage switchgear and control gear, - electric motors; The Guidance document states that The exclusion set out in the fourth indent of Article 1 (2) (k) applies to electrical equipment such as, for example, printers, copiers, fax machines, sorters, binders and staplers The example I'm considering is a commercial, indoor, bank paying-in machine -where deposits are placed in envelopes. - It contains a PC, screen, keyboard and reel-fed printer (for receipts) and keypad for entering information - The deposit envelope is placed in a receptacle that has a sliding lid (with obstruction detector) This doesn't seem to far removed from an electronic sorter or binder in terms of hazard, and there are plenty of household appliances have moving parts - many with far high power actuators Is it therefore reasonable to assess a paying-in machine to LVD, or should MSD be applied? Regards Charlie Charlie Blackham Sulis Consultants Ltd Tel: +44 (0)7946 624317 Web: www.sulisconsultants.comhttp://www.sulisconsultants.com/ Registered in England and Wales, number 05466247 - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.orgmailto:emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.netmailto:emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.orgmailto:mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher j.bac...@ieee.orgmailto:j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald dhe...@gmail.commailto:dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
Re: [PSES] Buzzer loudness standard?
If the product is used in a clinic, I'd think IEC 60601-1-8 would be more appropriate. Patty Knudsen Product Safety Engineering 17095 Via del Campo San Diego, CA 92127 858-485-3748 Teradata Labs patricia.knud...@teradata.com mailto:patricia.knud...@teradata.com%0bteradata.comhttp://www.teradata.com/ Facebookhttps://www.facebook.com/Teradata The information contained in this message is private and confidential, is the property of Teradata Corporation, and is solely for the use of its intended recipient. If you are not the person to whom this e-mail is addressed, or if it has been sent to you in error, please notify the sender immediately. If you are not the intended recipient, please note that permission to use, copy, disclose, alter or distribute this message, and any attachments, is expressly denied. Please consider the environment before printing. From: McInturff, Gary [mailto:gary.mcintu...@esterline.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2012 3:00 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Buzzer loudness standard? Thanks Doug. Still a bit surprising that they use 90 or even 85 - particularly in a clinic. When that alarm goes off at that level the startle reaction means that somebody would be getting a scalpel through the spleen. I can see it on a loading dock (although we used to fill the forklifts backup beeper speaker with expanding foam to keep it quiet - college kids what-a-you going to do with them?) From a standards perspective this is the chart from ETSI 300 753 Equipment Engineering (EE) Notice that an office area - 55 dB, and the power room is 83dB. I would expect the clinic to be more like the office. Telecommunication equipment room (attended) bels 7.2 (72 dB) Business area ( 4 m from desk work locations) 6.8 bells Business area (4 m from desk work location) 6.3 bell Office (floor-standing equipment) 5.5 bels Office desktop equipment 5.0 bels Power room 8.3 bels. I think you want sound pressure rather than sound power. One being the measure of the maximum noise something can put out and the other being how loud it is at the position of interest. I think the analogy often used ins sound power is how hot a radiant heater CAN get, the other is how hot it is at a specific desk location relative to the location of the heater. They are measured completely different - for medical equipment we get requests for sound pressure occasionally expressed in dbA (a scale weighted for the response of the human ear) Try looking at Bruel and Khae http://www.bing.com/search?q=Bruel+%26+Kjaer+InstrumentsFORM=QSRE1 Site. They make sound measuring equipment and they may have some app notes about the subject and maybe a more appropriate standard reference. Equipment Engineering (EE); Acoustic noise emitted by telecommunications equipment From: Doug Nix [mailto:d...@mac.com]mailto:[mailto:d...@mac.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2012 2:19 PM To: McInturff, Gary Cc: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORGmailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Buzzer loudness standard? Gary, No. ...3dB above the maximum OSHA 8 hour day background limit @ 3 meters... See the table in 1910.95. These are the absolute limits. Other jurisdictions, like Ontario where I live, have lower limits. 85 dB(A) TWA 8h here. Also see the ACGIH tables in the TLV's and BEI's. You'll find corroborating data. The EU is considering lower limits. Having said that, if you know that your intended use environment is quieter than that, then feel free to spec it lower, BUT that will not conform to the text of the standard originally quoted. -- Doug Nix d...@mac.commailto:d...@mac.com Scientists investigate that which already is; Engineers create that which has never been. - Albert Einstein On 4-September-2012, at 11:53, McInturff, Gary wrote: Doug, doesn't OSHA have different levels for different environments - machinery rooms where they have to have ear protection can go up to 90, but offices would certainly be less than that. I think a quiet office is around 55 dBA Gary From: Doug Nix [mailto:d...@mac.com]mailto:[mailto:d...@mac.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2012 8:42 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORGmailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Buzzer loudness standard? Actually it does. OSHA 1910.95 tells you that the maximum time-weighted average (TWA) noise exposure for 8 hours is 90 dB(A). Based on the instrument standard you quoted, this means the buzzer must emit at least 93 dB(A). See 29 CR 1901.95, Table G-16, http://www.osha.gov/pls/oshaweb/owadisp.show_document?p_table=STANDARDSp_id=9735 Doug Nix On 4-September-2012, at 00:34, Curt McNamara wrote: We have a customer product where they desire to reference an industry standard for the loudness of a buzzer. They started with OSHA 3dB over ambient: the instrument shall have an audible indicator detected 3dB above the maximum OSHA 8 hour day background limit @ 3 meters. However that doesn't really tell us
Re: [PSES] CE Marking of Power Cables
Hmmm. I’ve taken a RoHS seminar and have done some research on the net that has led me to believe that individual cables (although compliant with the requirements) don’t need to be CE marked until 2019. http://www.digitaleurope.org/Portals/0/Documents/DIGITALEUROPE%20Input%20RoHS%202%20FAQ%2020110930.pdf “Option B (fallback) Cables ready for enduse (cordsets with plugs on each end) placed on the market as separate products are defined by Article 3(5) “cables means all cables with a rated voltage of less than 250 volts that serve as a connection or an extension to connect EEE to the electrical outlet or to connect two or more EEE to each other”. The Commission interprets Article 2(2) as meaning that electrical and electronic equipment which was outside the scope of Directive 2002/95/EC, but which would be covered by the new Directive, does not need to comply with the requirements of this Directive during a transitional period of eight years. EEE which was outside the scope of Directive 2002/95/EC, but which would be covered by the new Directive, includes among others EEE, cables mentioned in Article 4 and the related definition in Article 3(5). Cables (as defined in Article 3(5)) fall under Category 11, and the substance restrictions and the DoC/CE marking requirements therefore apply from 22nd July 2019 (8 years after entry into force).” My cable vendors are also in line with this interpretation. Does anyone know if there has been an “official” interpretation of this? It seems to me there might be a lot of cables stuck in customs come January if they are looking for a CE mark and DoC. Patty Knudsen Product Safety Engineering 17095 Via del Campo San Diego, CA 92127 858-485-3748 Teradata Labs patricia.knud...@teradata.com mailto:patricia.knud...@teradata.com%0bteradata.comhttp://www.teradata.com/ Facebookhttps://www.facebook.com/Teradata The information contained in this message is private and confidential, is the property of Teradata Corporation, and is solely for the use of its intended recipient. If you are not the person to whom this e-mail is addressed, or if it has been sent to you in error, please notify the sender immediately. If you are not the intended recipient, please note that permission to use, copy, disclose, alter or distribute this message, and any attachments, is expressly denied. Please consider the environment before printing. From: Monrad Monsen [mailto:monrad.mon...@oracle.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2012 5:32 PM To: Knudsen, Patricia Cc: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] CE Marking of Power Cables Patricia, Great comment! However, I notice that RoHS 1 (Directive 2002/95/EC) does state in article 3 (definitions) paragraph (a) that 'EEE' means ... equipment for the ... transfer ... of such currents and fields ... and designed for use with a voltage rating not exceeding 1000 volts for alternating current and 1500 volts for direct current. Therefore, it appears that power cables and electrical communications cables were in scope for RoHS 1, but RoHS 1 was not a CE marking directive and did not require DOCs. Instead, RoHS 1 only required that the cables comply with not using the hazardous substances in homogenous materials in excess of the limits. The problem is that RoHS 2 now requires CE marking, manufacturer name address, and a DOC. As a result, the due date seems to be 3 January 2013. (Article 26) My understanding is that optical fibre cables would be out-of-scope (exempt). Note: All opinions given in this e-mail are purely my own and do not necessarily reflect the positions of any company I work for. Monrad On 8/22/2012 4:06 PM, Knudsen, Patricia wrote: Cables have a transition period for compliance to RoHS recast until July 2019, per article 2.2: “2. Without prejudice to Article 4(3) and 4(4), Member States shall provide that EEE that was outside the scope of Directive 2002/95/EC, but which would not comply with this Directive, may nevertheless continue to be made available on the market until 22 July 2019.” The U.S. Department of Commerce has a pretty decent FAQ for RoHS Recast: http://www.ita.doc.gov/td/standards/Markets/Western%20Europe/European%20Union/Webpage%20RoHS%20II%20FAQ%20final.pdf Patty Knudsen Product Safety Engineering 17095 Via del Campo San Diego, CA 92127 858-485-3748 Teradata Labs patricia.knud...@teradata.com mailto:patricia.knud...@teradata.com%0bteradata.comhttp://www.teradata.com/ The information contained in this message is private and confidential, is the property of Teradata Corporation, and is solely for the use of its intended recipient. If you are not the person to whom this e-mail is addressed, or if it has been sent to you in error, please notify the sender immediately. If you are not the intended recipient, please note that permission to use, copy, disclose, alter or distribute this message, and any attachments, is expressly denied. Please consider
Re: [PSES] CE Marking of Power Cables
Cables have a transition period for compliance to RoHS recast until July 2019, per article 2.2: “2. Without prejudice to Article 4(3) and 4(4), Member States shall provide that EEE that was outside the scope of Directive 2002/95/EC, but which would not comply with this Directive, may nevertheless continue to be made available on the market until 22 July 2019.” The U.S. Department of Commerce has a pretty decent FAQ for RoHS Recast: http://www.ita.doc.gov/td/standards/Markets/Western%20Europe/European%20Union/Webpage%20RoHS%20II%20FAQ%20final.pdf Patty Knudsen Product Safety Engineering 17095 Via del Campo San Diego, CA 92127 858-485-3748 Teradata Labs patricia.knud...@teradata.com mailto:patricia.knud...@teradata.com%0bteradata.comhttp://www.teradata.com/ The information contained in this message is private and confidential, is the property of Teradata Corporation, and is solely for the use of its intended recipient. If you are not the person to whom this e-mail is addressed, or if it has been sent to you in error, please notify the sender immediately. If you are not the intended recipient, please note that permission to use, copy, disclose, alter or distribute this message, and any attachments, is expressly denied. Please consider the environment before printing. From: Monrad Monsen [mailto:monrad.mon...@oracle.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 4:50 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [PSES] CE Marking of Power Cables Must power cables imported and sold in Europe have a CE mark and manufacturer's name address starting 3 January 2013 in accordance with the recast RoHS Directive 2011/65/EU? Similarly, must the power cable have its own declaration of conformity (DOC)? It appears that AC power cables shipped in separate boxes would meet the definition of EEE in article 3 definition (1) as the AC power cable is equipment for the ... transfer ... of such currents and fields and designed for use with a voltage rating not exceeding 1 000 volts for alternating current. For companies that sell worldwide, many ship the power cables alone in their own boxes separate from the system products since their products are sold worldwide and the correct power cable must be selected for each order as applicable for each customer's country. Usually, the power cable is imported in the same shipment as the system, but there are other times when the power cable is imported alone either to replace a damaged power cable (field replacement unit) or sold to support moving a product already in Europe to change plug types (different plugs used for moves to other countries within Europe or to different power distribution units). Hence, it would appear that power cables would need to comply with the European rules individually for compliance instead of depending on the system product (like a server) for the CE marking. As a result, it appears that power cables will now require a CE mark, be labeled with the manufacturer's name address, and have its own DOC by 3 January 2013. Note: All opinions given in this e-mail are purely my own and do not necessarily reflect the positions of any company I work for. Thanks. Monrad Monsen +1.303.272.9612 - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.orgmailto:emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.netmailto:emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.orgmailto:mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher j.bac...@ieee.orgmailto:j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald dhe...@gmail.commailto:dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas
Re: [PSES] CE Marking Provoqium
Could a self-declaration 'system' function well in North America without public safety reduction? For just discrete, narrow classes of goods? You would probably see an initial increase in non-compliant products. However, this being the U.S., that would correspond to an increase in lawsuits against the manufacturers. Patty Knudsen Product Safety Engineering 17095 Via del Campo San Diego, CA 92127 858-485-3748 Teradata Labs patricia.knud...@teradata.com teradata.com Facebook -Original Message- From: Brian Oconnell [mailto:oconne...@tamuracorp.com] Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2012 1:03 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] CE Marking Provoqium Significance of CE mark to EU customs/surveillance is obvious and not point (other than my head). Need to understand why there are different or no surveillance systems in place in North America, and if product compliance regulations are different because of regional market demands or political control issues or cultural philosophies. Could a self-declaration 'system' function well in North America without public safety reduction? For just discrete, narrow classes of goods? Brian -Original Message- From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org]On Behalf Of John Woodgate Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2012 10:43 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] CE Marking Provoqium In message 1284c8ec9fbe4d24b6397106a3caa...@tamuracorp.com, dated Sat, 18 Aug 2012, Brian Oconnell oconne...@tamuracorp.com writes: Note that the U.S. OSHA has (figuratively) declared war on the self-declaration process, and has specifically published stuff saying that the 'CE' does not indicate the any specific safety compliance. Well, it doesn't; it's not intended to. Nor did any of the former national safety marks, such as SEMKO. The Declaration of Conformity indicates the specific safety compliance. The CE mark is an indication to customs officers and market surveillance officers that a DoC exists and the product should be admitted to the EU, cross national borders within it and can be offered for sale. -- OOO - Own Opinions Only. Try www.jmwa.demon.co.uk and www.isce.org.uk - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
Re: [PSES] Original Signed Reports Versus Digital Scanned Reports for EMC Technical Files
My CB reports and certificates all have electronic signatures from the test agency. I get a printed copy along with the soft copy, but the signatures are not original. Patty Knudsen Product Safety Engineering TERADATA I THE BEST DECISION POSSIBLE WORK: 858-485-3748 EMAIL : patricia.knud...@teradata.com From: Robert Heller [mailto:rehel...@mmm.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2012 3:20 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Original Signed Reports Versus Digital Scanned Reports for EMC Technical Files I would think that it may depend on whether an electronic signature is valid for that country's legal system. Bob Heller 3M Company St. Paul, MN 55107-1208 Tel: 651-778-6336 Fax: 651-778-6252 = From:Monrad Monsen monrad.mon...@oracle.commailto:monrad.mon...@oracle.com To:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORGmailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Date:07/09/2012 06:34 PM Subject:Original Signed Reports Versus Digital Scanned Reports for EMC Technical Files Sent by:emc-p...@ieee.orgmailto:emc-p...@ieee.org We have EMC lab currently files and saves the original signature documents for every test report. However, we retain the electronic scan copy version of the reports which are backed up and have disaster recovery procedures in place for off-site storage. We would like to stop saving the paper copies and just rely on the electronic scanned copy reports. If we have a scanned electronic copy of the test reports, is there any need to have the original signed paper version? Are there any countries or agencies that require us to have the original signed paper versions on hand? Thanks. Monrad Monsen +1.303.272.9612 Office - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.orgmailto:emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.netmailto:emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.orgmailto:mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher j.bac...@ieee.orgmailto:j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald dhe...@gmail.commailto:dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.orgmailto:emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.netmailto:emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.orgmailto:mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher j.bac...@ieee.orgmailto:j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald dhe...@gmail.commailto:dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
Re: [PSES] Impact on NRTL Certification - Refurbished/Remanufactured Products
My company sells a lot of refurbished products. They all go through the factory, are built using the approved components in the safety report, and get production line tests before they go out the door. Our NRTL knows we do this and they have the option of inspecting the refurbished products during factory visits. I chose an NRTL that doesn't make me get a new report just for the refurbished products. :) Patty Knudsen Product Safety Engineering TERADATA I THE BEST DECISION POSSIBLE EMAIL : patricia.knud...@teradata.com -Original Message- From: Brian Oconnell [mailto:oconne...@tamuracorp.com] Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2012 2:12 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Impact on NRTL Certification - Refurbished/Remanufactured Products Within the meaning of OSHA requirements 29CFR1910 - no effect if no change was made to the design, materials, or performance as compared to the NRTL-certified model from the factory. According to OSHA: These product changes, even if inadvertent, void the NRTL's approval for that product, and an employer's use of these products in the workplace violates the OSHA standard(s) requiring that the products be NRTL-approved. Within the meaning of most NRTL's general services agreement - the mark is no longer valid unless repair performed at an authorized facility subject to the respective NRTL's FUS audits. Why is refurb equipment considered part of a green initiative ? Brian -Original Message- From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org]On Behalf Of Jim Hulbert Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2012 12:08 PM To: EMC-PSTC (emc-p...@ieee.org) Subject: Impact on NRTL Certification - Refurbished/Remanufactured Products What is the impact on the original NRTL certification of a product that is refurbished or remanufactured? Is there any guideline for this? I see a growing market for refurbished and remanufactured electrical products as a green initiative and am curious what companies are doing with regard to maintaining NTRL certifications for these products. Jim Hulbert - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
Re: [PSES] Acoustic Noise Glossary
I envision the group of documentation reviewers sitting around a conference table: No, no, no. A chuckle is a repetitious low-pitched sound. A chirp is high-pitched. Patty Knudsen Product Safety Engineering TERADATA I THE BEST DECISION POSSIBLE WORK: 858-485-3748 EMAIL : patricia.knud...@teradata.com From: Ed Price [mailto:edpr...@cox.net] Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2012 2:59 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [PSES] Acoustic Noise Glossary I was just reading the very fine print in a Ford Service Manual, and I think the following glossary of acoustic terms might be of some value to us (and a bit amusing in its breadth of coverage). So next time somebody says your gadget is making a funny noise, you can define the complaint precisely. A tip of the hat to those Ford engineers and tech writers! Amplitude The quantity or amount of energy produced by a vibrating component (G-force). An extreme vibration has a high amplitude. A mild vibration has a low amplitude. See Intensity. Boom Low frequency or low pitched noise often accompanied by a vibration. Also refer to Drumming. Buffet/Buffeting Strong noise fluctuations caused by gusting winds. An example would be wind gusts against the side glass. Buzz A low-pitched sound like that from a bee. Often a metallic or hard plastic humming sound. Also describes a high-frequency vibration. Vibration feels similar to an electric razor. Chatter A pronounced series of rapidly repeating rattling or clicking sounds. Chirp A short-duration, high-pitched noise associated with a slipping drive belt. Chuckle A repetitious, low-pitched sound. A loud chuckle is usually described as a knock. Click A sharp, brief, non-resonant sound, similar to actuating a ball point pen. Clonk A hydraulic knocking sound. Sound occurs with air pockets in a hydraulic system. Also described as hammering. Clunk A heavy or dull, short-duration, low-frequency sound. Occurs mostly on a vehicle that is accelerating or decelerating abruptly. Also described as a thunk. Conductor The components that carry (transmit) a vibration frequency from the originator to the reactor. Cracks A mid-frequency sound, related to squeak. Sound varies with temperature conditions. Creak A metallic squeak. Cycle The process of a vibrating component going through a complete range of motion and returning to the starting point. Decibel (dB) A unit of measurement, referring to sound pressure level, abbreviated dB. Drone A low-frequency, steady sound, like a freezer compressor. Also described as a moan. Drumming A cycling, low-frequency, rhythmic noise often accompanied by a sensation of pressure on the ear drums. Also described as a low rumble, boom or rolling thunder. Flutter Mid to high intermittent sound due to air flow. Similar to a flag flapping in the wind. Frequency The rate at which a cycle occurs within a given time. G-force The additional load or weight produced in an object during acceleration. When measuring the level or amplitude of a vibration without sound, the unit G is added to associate the force of the vibration to gravity. This is similar to measuring the weight of an object, which is also a function of gravity. Gravelly Feel A grinding or growl in a component, similar to the feel experienced when driving on gravel. Grind An abrasive sound, similar to using a grinding wheel, or rubbing sand paper against wood. Hertz (Hz) A unit of measure used to describe noise and vibration concerns expressed in cycles per second. Hiss Steady, high-frequency noise. Vacuum leak sound. Hoot A steady, low-frequency tone, sounds like blowing over a long neck bottle. Howl A mid-range frequency noise between drumming and whine. Also described as a hum. Hum Mid-frequency steady sound, like a small fan motor. Also described as a howl. Intensity The physical quality of sound that relates to the strength of the vibration (measured in decibels). The higher the sound's amplitude, the higher the intensity and vice versa. See Amplitude. Knock A heavy, loud, repetitious sound, like a knock on the door. Moan A constant, low-frequency tone. Also described as a hum. Ping A short-duration, high-frequency sound, which has a slight echo. Pitch The physical quality of sound that relates to its frequency. Pitch increases as frequency increases and vice versa. Pumping Feel A slow, pulsing movement. Rattle A random and momentary or short-duration noise. Reactor The component, or part, that receives a vibration from an originator and conductor and reacts to the vibration by moving. Roughness A medium-frequency vibration. A slightly higher frequency than a shake. This type of vibration is usually related to drivetrain components. Rustling Intermittent sound of varying frequency, sounds similar to shuffling through leaves. Shake A low-frequency vibration, usually with visible component movement. Usually relates to tires, wheels, brake drums or brake discs if it is vehicle speed sensitive, or engine if it is
Re: [PSES] e-standard.org The cheapest standards in the world
UL gives their customers free access to all UL copyrighted standards through their Standards Certification Customer Library (SCCL). https://www.ulstandards.com/unsecured/Logon.aspx?ReturnUrl=%2fDefault.aspx This only applies to UL copyrighted standards, though. Any IEC-based UL standards (such as UL 60950-1) are available for $50-$150, which is still a pretty good price. Patty Knudsen Product Safety Engineering TERADATA I THE BEST DECISION POSSIBLE WORK: 858-485-3748 EMAIL : patricia.knud...@teradata.com -Original Message- From: Brian Oconnell [mailto:oconne...@tamuracorp.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 11:19 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] e-standard.org The cheapest standards in the world UL does not sell standards, it uses the entity incorporated as 'COMM 2000' to sell equipment and standards. I would like to see some of the $millions for annual stds buys go to sending more small-company reps to TCs and WGs. Derek Walton mentioned MilStds - the cost is front-loaded by U.S. tax dollars, and as the fed government has never been accused of having a profit motive, there is no force from the 'invisible hand' (Adam Smith) driving high standards costs. Brian -Original Message- From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org]On Behalf Of Aldous, Scott Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 10:29 AM To: oconne...@tamuracorp.com; EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: RE: [PSES] e-standard.org The cheapest standards in the world As for UL at least, I would imagine that their not-for-profit status, which is largely justified by their activities in creating and maintaining standards, goes a long way in paying for those activities through the tax breaks. Scott Aldous Compliance Engineer AE Solar Energy +1.970.492.2065 Direct +1.970.407.5872 Fax +1.541.312.3832 Main scott.ald...@aei.com 1625 Sharp Point Drive Fort Collins, CO 80525 www.advanced-energy.com/solarenergy -Original Message- From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Brian Oconnell Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 11:13 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: RE: [PSES] e-standard.org The cheapest standards in the world I have had conversations with a UL manager and a European IECEE member about standards cost; and both people indicated zero level of concern. To quote George Burns, No snowflake in an avalanche ever feels responsible. I understand that there are costs to bear by the WGs and TCs that do this stuff, but have not seen data that indicates any of the purchase cost is used to directly support standards-development people. For the U.S., some of the standards purchase cost can be mitigated on the corporate tax (RD expenditures or deduct them as a current expense) - but am not an accountant so am not certain of specific requirements. Brian -Original Message- From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org]On Behalf Of Derek Walton Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 9:38 AM To: McInturff, Gary Cc: don.g...@alcatel-lucent.com; EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] e-standard.org The cheapest standards in the world Always one to buck the trend, I think these are reasonable prices We are ripped off by standards bodies left right and centre MHO Derek Sent from my iPhone On May 8, 2012, at 10:05 AM, McInturff, Gary gary.mcintu...@esterline.com wrote: Would appear the real pirates are at UL and BSI Gary From: Don Gies [mailto:don.g...@alcatel-lucent.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 6:25 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] e-standard.org The cheapest standards in the world Ahoy, me hearties! My view is that there are too many standards that are too cheap at this site, and if ANSI were really powering it, they would be doing so from their own site. This site might as well hoist high the Jolly Roger, because its occupied by pirates. Ex.: UL 60950-1 for $20 instead of $422? BS EN 60950-1 for $20 instead of 161 to BSI Members, 322 to non-members? DON GIES ALCATEL-LUCENT SENIOR PRODUCT COMPLIANCE ENGINEER BELL LABS - GLOBAL PRODUCT COMPLIANCE LABORATORY 600-700 Mountain Avenue Room 5B-104 Murray Hill, NJ 07974-0636 USA Phone: +1 908 582 5978 Fax: +1 908 582 0582 don.g...@alcatel-lucent.com MEMBER, ALCATEL-LUCENT TECHNICAL ACADEMY From: Crane, Lauren [mailto:lauren.cr...@kla-tencor.com] Sent: Monday, May 07, 2012 5:29 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: e-standard.org The cheapest standards in the world Does anyone have experience with the subject standards vendor. Their prices are so low (NFPA 70-2011 for $25!?) it has activated all my if its too good to be true warning systems. Regards, Lauren Crane KLA-Tencor - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and
Re: [PSES] Compliance costs too much.
I worked at one company where an upper management-type was complaining about the cost of EMC testing. Him: Show me the regulation that says we have to do this. Me: Here's a printout of the FCC requirements. Him: This says Code of Federal Regulations. We're in California; do we have to meet this? He said it in a room full of people, too. Patty Knudsen Product Safety Engineering TERADATA I THE BEST DECISION POSSIBLE WORK: 858-485-3748 EMAIL : patricia.knud...@teradata.com -Original Message- From: Thomas Cokenias [mailto:t...@tncokenias.org] Sent: Friday, March 30, 2012 12:24 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Compliance costs too much. I used to work at FCC Lab and they have ways of getting your attention. One story as I remember it: Back in the mid 80's there was an IBM clone computer company named (I believe) Columbia Data Products, at the time located in Columbia MD, They were heavily advertising their latest computer soon to come on the market, had a warehouse full of product just waiting for the FCC certification process to be completed at the FCC Lab (also in Columbia MD). Alas, they failed sample testing several times, and the application was denied. And they could not come up with a way to retrofit the design, much less the products in the warehouse, so that they would meet the Part 15 limits. The FCC issued a non-compliance letter. The local paper had an article showing the destruction of the warehouse samples, with photo of bulldozers crushing and otherwise rendering useless all the would- be merchandise. Pretty impressive. I was working in private sector lab when this happened - the article was a great sales tool with customers who balked at the expense of doing all that testing... Tom Cokenias T.N. Cokenias Consulting P.O. Box 1086 El Granada CA 94018 On Mar 29, 2012, at 8:23 PM, Richard Nute wrote: I once worked with an EMC engineer who measured the performance of himself and his time by the cost of the components that were used in the equipment solely for the purpose of EMC control. His objective was to reduce the cost of compliance by advising designers of careful layout so as to minimize the need for EMC components. Safety is a bit different because many safety components are also functional components. Nevertheless, a ground wire can be eliminated if double-insulation is employed. In this example, a cost trade-off between the power cord and the extra insulation. But, these days, most primary circuit designs are indeed double-insulated as transformers simply don't use internal shields. Enclosures... only needed for primary circuits and secondary circuits exceeding 30 V. (Yes, you still want an enclosure, but not for safety!) Etc. So, compliance should not cost too much. I look forward to your comments on compliance costing too much. Rich - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived
Re: [PSES] AW: [PSES] hazardous substances in USA
Frank, If you manufacture consumer products, you can get information from the US Consumer Product Safety Commission (CPSC). http://www.cpsc.gov/cgi-bin/regs.aspx Regards, Patty Knudsen Product Safety Engineering TERADATA I THE BEST DECISION POSSIBLE WORK: 858-485-3748 EMAIL : patricia.knud...@teradata.com From: Frank Wermke [mailto:frank.wer...@globalconformity.com] Sent: Friday, March 23, 2012 7:17 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [PSES] AW: [PSES] hazardous substances in USA Hi Scott, thank you, I’ll do so. Do you have a reference for banned substances for USA and/or for Canada? Kind Regards, Dipl. Ing (FH) Frank Wermke Conformity expert Globalnorm GmbH Alt-Moabit 94 10559 Berlin Fon 49 30 3229027-58 Fax 49 30 3229027-59 Mail frank.wer...@globalconformity.commailto:frank.wer...@globalconformity.com www.globalnorm.dehttp://www.globalnorm.de www.globalnorm.cahttp://www.globalnorm.ca www.product-compliance.comhttp://www.product-compliance.com _ Globalnorm GmbH, Sitz der Gesellschaft: Alt-Moabit 94, 10559 Berlin Geschäftsführer: Dipl.-Ing. Michael Loerzer Amtsgericht Berlin-Charlottenburg HRB 105204 B, USt-ID-Nummer: DE251654448 Von: Griggs @ IEEE [mailto:griggsmail-i...@yahoo.com]mailto:[mailto:griggsmail-i...@yahoo.com] Gesendet: Freitag, 23. März 2012 14:22 An: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORGmailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Betreff: Re: [PSES] hazardous substances in USA Hi Frank, There is not an equivalent to RoHS at the federal level in USA or Canada. However, if the product is intended for children, you will find many banned substances like REACH. At the state level, California has requirements for audio visual products. I would suggest you submit your product details to a known testing and certification body that operates in both EU and USA. They can give you a proper technical opinion. Best Regards, Scott Scott Griggs +55 (11) 9459 9339 griggs_sc...@yahoo.commailto:griggs_sc...@yahoo.com From: Frank Wermke frank.wer...@globalconformity.commailto:frank.wer...@globalconformity.com To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORGmailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Sent: Friday, March 23, 2012 4:31 AM Subject: [PSES] hazardous substances in USA Dear all, I’m looking for hazardous substances in USA (something like European ROHS – restriction of the use of certain hazardous substances in electrical and electronic equipment). Is there a list of forbidden substances? Kinds Regards, Dipl. Ing (FH) Frank Wermke Conformity expert Globalnorm GmbH Alt-Moabit 94 10559 Berlin Fon 49 30 3229027-58 Fax 49 30 3229027-59 Mail frank.wer...@globalconformity.commailto:frank.wer...@globalconformity.com www.globalnorm.dehttp://www.globalnorm.de www.globalnorm.cahttp://www.globalnorm.ca www.product-compliance.comhttp://www.product-compliance.com _ Globalnorm GmbH, Sitz der Gesellschaft: Alt-Moabit 94, 10559 Berlin Geschäftsführer: Dipl.-Ing. Michael Loerzer Amtsgericht Berlin-Charlottenburg HRB 105204 B, USt-ID-Nummer: DE251654448 - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.orgmailto:emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.netmailto:emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.orgmailto:mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher j.bac...@ieee.orgmailto:j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald dhe...@gmail.commailto:dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.orgmailto:emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.netmailto:emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.orgmailto:mcantw...@ieee.org
Re: [PSES] 61000-4-2 3rd edition
The higher ESD sounds like it might be a requirement of the product-specific 60601-2-XX standard. I used to test infusion pumps, capnometers, and pulse oximeters. The EMC requirements are increased for those products in the specific -2 standards. Patty Knudsen Teradata Corporation PH: 858-485-3748 patricia.knud...@teradata.com From: McInturff, Gary [mailto:gary.mcintu...@esterline.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2012 7:53 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [PSES] 61000-4-2 3rd edition I'm trying to track down a customer requirement for a piece of medical gear and apparently I'm a revision behind. They have a requirement for 15 and 30 kV air and contact discharge and they reference the 3rd edition standard. My current standard doesn't have levels that go that high. Normally I would look at 60601-2 medical electrical equipment EMC compatibility But it only requires 6 and 8kV. The standard is going through all the time consuming purchase request channels, until then can someone with the 3rd edition help me understand when the 15 and 30kV is required. The device itself is used in patient monitoring and could be used in an operating theater. We'll meet their requirements I'm just trying to figure out the paper trail that would lead them to that requirement, could be nothing more than a desired goal but I would like to understand it with your help Thanks Gary McInturff Reliability/Compliance Engineer Esterline Interface Technologies Featuring ADVANCED INPUT, MEMTRON, and LRE MEDICAL products 600 W. Wilbur Avenue Coeur d'Alene, ID 83815-9496 Office:208-635-8306 Cell: 509 868 2279 Toll Free: 800-444-5923 X 1238 gary.mcintu...@esterline.commailto:brian.s...@esterline.com www.esterline.com/interfacetechnologieshttp://www.esterline.com/advancedinput Technology, Innovation, Performance... - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.orgmailto:emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.netmailto:emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.orgmailto:mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher j.bac...@ieee.orgmailto:j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald dhe...@gmail.commailto:dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
Re: [PSES] CE marking of deep-fat fryer
William Shatner and State Farm have teamed up for a turkey fryer video. It's more entertaining than the UL version. :) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYkRF_FmD40 Patty Knudsen Teradata Corporation PH: 858-485-3748 patricia.knud...@teradata.com -Original Message- From: dougp01 [mailto:doug...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, November 14, 2011 2:13 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] CE marking of deep-fat fryer Never heard of this in Europe, for N.A. look at this video. http://www.ul.com/global/eng/pages/offerings/perspectives/consumer/productsafety/turkeys/ doug powell -Original Message- From: Pete Perkins Sent: Monday, November 14, 2011 2:00 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [PSES] CE marking of deep-fat fryer PSNet, Looking for input on requirements for CE marking of a commercial deep-fat fryer. What's the latest? :) br, Pete Peter E Perkins, PE Principal Product Safety Engineer PO Box 23427 Tigard, ORe 97281-3427 503/452-1201 fone/fax p.perk...@ieee.org - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ Graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. can be posted to that URL. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ Graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. can be posted to that URL. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ Graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. can be posted to that URL. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
Third party review of 510K
Does anyone have any experience with using a third party reviewer for FDA 510K submissions? I'm curious to see if the third party makes the process go any smoother. Patty Patricia Knudsen Sr. Certification Engineer Alaris Medical Systems Ph: (858) 458-7280 Fax: (858) 458-7095 pknud...@alarismed.com
RE: Chemicals in test equipment
For the United States you can check the Food and Drug Administration website at www.fda.gov. Under the left menu Products FDA regulates, select Food and that will get you to the Center for Food Safety and Applied Nutrition. Patty Patricia Knudsen Sr. Certification Engineer Alaris Medical Systems Ph: (858) 458-7280 Fax: (858) 458-7095 pknud...@alarismed.com From: Kim Boll Jensen [mailto:k...@bolls.dk] Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 6:47 AM To: EMC PSTC Subject: Chemicals in test equipment Hi all I'm working on a automatic milk test equipment. It uses small sticks with dry chemicals on. A drop of milk is but on the stick and after 5 minutes the colour spectrum is measured. Now my problem is where do I get information on which chemicals are allowed to be use and which are restricted. This concerns the following stages: selling/exporting the sticks using the sticks in the equipment waste The product will be sold in EU and US/Canada. A good web page with information would be great, but also a good consultant could be used or any other help. Best regards, Kim Boll Jensen Bolls Rådgivning Ved Gadekæret 11F DK-3660 Stenløse Tlf.: 48 18 35 66 Fax: 48 18 35 30 Mobil: 22 99 69 91 E-mail: k...@bolls.dk web: www.bolls.dk This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: emc_p...@symbol.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org Archive is being moved, we will announce when it is back on-line. All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: emc_p...@symbol.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org Archive is being moved, we will announce when it is back on-line. All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
RE: Job Opportunity - Maryland
The EEOC website lists the federal laws against job discrimination. You can even file a complaint online. http://www.eeoc.gov/ Patty Patricia Knudsen Sr. Certification Engineer Alaris Medical Systems Ph: (858) 458-7280 Fax: (858) 458-7095 pknud...@alarismed.com From: Jacob Schanker [mailto:schan...@frontiernet.net] Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 12:23 PM To: Mike Cantwell; Emc-Pstc Cc: Bryan Axmear Subject: Re: Job Opportunity - Maryland I believe that this sort of age specificity, even if cloaked in graduation year, is illegal in the United States. Not that it doesn't go on all the time, but it is illegal, and in my opinion, wrong. Some years ago there was a flap with IEEE Spectrum running ads that asked for (for example) 2-8 years experience. The legal way to state this is a minimum of 2 years experience. The cap on maximum experience is subtle (and illegal) age discrimination. The recruiter (Bryan) is probably stuck in the middle, trying to satisfy a client (improperly) setting these requirements. Well, that's my opinion. Others may have at it. Jacob Z. Schanker, P.E. 65 Crandon Way Rochester, NY 14618 Tel: 585 442 3909 Fax: 585 442 2182 j.schan...@ieee.org - Original Message - From: Mike mailto:mcantw...@leapfroginet.com Cantwell To: Emc-Pstc mailto:emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Cc: Bryan mailto:bryan_axm...@oxfordcorp.com Axmear Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 12:22 PM Subject: Job Opportunity - Maryland I received the following job opportunity from this recruiter: mailto:bryan_axm...@oxfordcorp.com bryan_axm...@oxfordcorp.com He has helped others on this list find employment in the past so if anyone is interested in this position or knows of someone interested in this position either contact him directly or you can contact me and I'll help them get through. Looks like the emphasis is on design and analysis and not on testing. For whatever reason, age seems to matter, I'm sure to reflect salary versus experience. Good luck to those interested. Job Description: I need a emi/emc ANALYSIS/DESIGN (opposed to a straight test) guy that graduated from college between the years of 1988-1992. Job in maryland. Emi analysis, pspice, mathcad, RF work of any kind. t1) a graduate that didnt graduate any earlier than 1986 2) the candidate knows that my manager may want to make him an offer after 9 months for perm placment 3) it is emc/emi analysis and design instead of straight emi/emc testing
RE: MRI-safe test lab
I am looking to test to ASTM F 2052, Standard test method for measurement of magnetically induced displacement force on medical devices in the Magnetic Resonance environment. It involves applying a large magnetic force to the EUT to see if it will get pulled inside an MRI machine during a scan. Patty From: Peter L. Tarver [mailto:peter.tar...@sanmina-sci.com] Sent: Monday, July 21, 2003 10:33 AM To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Cc: Knudsen, Patricia J. Subject: RE: MRI-safe test lab Patricia - Can you be more specific as to what standards are applicable and what aspect of such testing you are looking for (EMC, safety, operational, other) Regards, Peter L. Tarver, PE Product Safety Manager Sanmina-SCI Homologation Services San Jose, CA peter.tar...@sanmina-sci.com From: Knudsen, Patricia J. Sent: Monday, July 21, 2003 7:33 AM I am looking for a lab that can test medical products for use within an MRI room. Does anyone know of a test house that can do this, preferrably in the U.S. on the west coast? Patty Patricia Knudsen Sr. Certification Engineer Alaris Medical Systems Ph: (858) 458-7280 Fax: (858) 458-7095 pknud...@alarismed.com This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: emc_p...@symbol.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org Archive is being moved, we will announce when it is back on-line. All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
MRI-safe test lab
I am looking for a lab that can test medical products for use within an MRI room. Does anyone know of a test house that can do this, preferrably in the U.S. on the west coast? Patty Patricia Knudsen Sr. Certification Engineer Alaris Medical Systems Ph: (858) 458-7280 Fax: (858) 458-7095 pknud...@alarismed.com
