Re: [PSES] Buying Standards
In message , dated Sat, 27 Sep 2014, Mike Cantwell writes: I have received many responses which I will summarize here. Excellent information. It might be as well to add DIN (www.beuth.de), which is usually well up in the percentage cost list, if only for a reason that will become apparent, but mainly because the standard you require is a 'native' DIN standard and is not obtainable in any other guise (from any other guys). Maybe we should measure relative costs in milliANSIs.(;-) -- OOO - Own Opinions Only. With best wishes. See www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Quid faciamus nisi sit? John Woodgate, J M Woodgate and Associates, Rayleigh, Essex UK - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas Mike Cantwell For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: David Heald:
Re: [PSES] Buying Standards
Hi all, I have received many responses which I will summarize here. As with all things, there are pros & cons to consider, as well as different needs of an enterprise. The realities of copyright, licensing, web availability, share point posting, etc should definitely be considered before an organization selects where and how to purchase standards as they can and should influence the decision. The question being answered here is a basic one of cheapest cost, without much consideration of other parameters. One of the first things to be discovered when looking for the same versions of standards across multiple sellers is that you need to have a complete understanding of exactly what standard you’re looking for, including prefixes and amendments. The IEC version versus the EN version is the best example. The EN version typically provides a description of differences to the IEC version and then incorporates the full text of the IEC version. This may or may not meet your particular needs. But it is important to know what you’re looking for. The other thing discovered is that some offer the consolidated versions and some offer the base standard plus amendments. Again, depending what you need to use, this is a very important consideration. If I were working in a lab and needing to refer to the standards on a daily basis, I would probably prefer the consolidated version. But, the cheapest standards did not always include a consolidated version. So the question has to be asked, what’s more important to me, cheap or consolidated? It was difficult to match exact versions with identical amendments. In some instances, I selected the latest version of a standard as it was only a few dollars more than the required referenced standard. The costs, however, are fairly representative for the results shown. I used a very narrow search criteria. I was looking for the EN versions of the EMC standards for ITE and the IEC version of 60950-1. The resources that I received from a multitude of members on this list are below. Cheapest is #1, most expensive is #7, and useless to me was #8. One last comment, Some of these vendors are reselling standards from other standards bodies and provide other places to search if this list does not meet your needs. I think you could make a mini-career of finding who has the best deal for what (Although I think Estonia has pretty much provided the most bang for the buck, IMHO). 1 Estonia http://www.evs.ee/shop 9% 2 Denmark http://www.ds.dk/en 38% 3 Luxembourg ILNAS https://ilnas.services-publics.lu/ecnor/home.action 43% 4 Global IHShttps://global.ihs.com56% 5 Techstreethttp://www.techstreet.com 89% 6 BSI http://shop.bsigroup.com/Navigate-by/Standards/ 93% 7 ANSI Storehttp://webstore.ansi.org 100% 8 DocumentCenterhttps://www.document-center.com --- The most expensive was the ANSI store, so it is shown as 100% or highest cost. Cheapest was Estonia at 9% of what the ANSI store charges. So, in conclusion, there is a 10 to 1 difference in the cost of standards, depending on where you shop and what you need. Regards, Mike On 23-Sep-2014, at 9:17 PM, Mike Cantwell wrote: > Hi all, > > I have to buy a whole bunch of standards, mostly EN but also a few IEC > standards. I’m familiar with BSI and IHS Global, what are the other sources > of these standards? and which sources have the lowest prices? I’ll check out > any responses I receive and will post a summary list with a rating for cost. > I’m sure that more people than just I would be interested in knowing where > they can get the most bang for their buck. > > Regards, > Mike > > > > > - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas Mike Cantwell For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: David Heald:
Re: [PSES] Buying Standards
In message <004c01cfd9f0$7a3b7890$6eb269b0$@cox.net>, dated Fri, 26 Sep 2014, Ed Price writes: 1. When a standard is made available to the various national standards bodies, is there some guidance or agreement regarding the minimum or maximum retail cost? No. 2. Can a national body sell a standard just as low as they care? Could they even give it away? Not give away (except, if they wish, to committee members), but as we see, some prices are very much lower than others. 3. Does a national body that regularly sells at very low cost incur some ill will from another national body which charges much higher? Probably, but we would never see blood on the carpet. 4. Is the retail price even related to the cost to create that standard? No: if it were, some standards would have to be at astronomical prices. IEC 62368-1, for example. I thought that the cost was supposed to contribute to the existence of the national body. In many cases, yes, but the contribution may be a large or small fraction of the total funding. Some countries may fund a national body very well, while another country makes the national body find its own funding. ... which generally means that small companies can't afford to participate, which puts them at a disadvantage compared with small companies in other countries. The point about participation is that you not only can influence what is in the standard but also, what may well be much more important, you get advance information on how to design your products to meet the standard, quite often 5 years ahead of those that don't participate. Thus, one national body may depend much more on publication income than a different national body. Exactly. -- OOO - Own Opinions Only. With best wishes. See www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Quid faciamus nisi sit? John Woodgate, J M Woodgate and Associates, Rayleigh, Essex UK - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas Mike Cantwell For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: David Heald:
Re: [PSES] Buying Standards
Maybe the questions to ask are: 1. When a standard is made available to the various national standards bodies, is there some guidance or agreement regarding the minimum or maximum retail cost? 2. Can a national body sell a standard just as low as they care? Could they even give it away? 3. Does a national body that regularly sells at very low cost incur some ill will from another national body which charges much higher? 4. Is the retail price even related to the cost to create that standard? I thought that the cost was supposed to contribute to the existence of the national body. Some countries may fund a national body very well, while another country makes the national body find its own funding. Thus, one national body may depend much more on publication income than a different national body. Ed Price WB6WSN Chula Vista, CA USA -Original Message- From: John Woodgate [mailto:j...@jmwa.demon.co.uk] Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 8:58 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Buying Standards In message < <mailto:1bf7078af9474580aba7871481523...@blupr01mb147.prod.exchangelabs.com> 1bf7078af9474580aba7871481523...@blupr01mb147.prod.exchangelabs.com>, dated Fri, 26 Sep 2014, Rick Busche < <mailto:rick.bus...@qnergy.com> rick.bus...@qnergy.com> writes: >Can someone explain the disparity in the price of standards between the >Estonia (EVS) and those procured through other sources? When a >standard is written it seems to me that a cost is associated with the >development and intiial publication, in other words a copyright. As >such all starndards (regardless of source) should reflect similar prices. It's a question of how national standards bodies get their funding. BSI, for example, needs a substantial contribution from sales of standards, but it doesn't charge for committee membership. I don't know how Estonia Standards is financed, through taxes or committee membership fees or But I expect it does need foreign currency. -- OOO - Own Opinions Only. With best wishes. See <http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk> www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Quid faciamus nisi sit? John Woodgate, J M Woodgate and Associates, Rayleigh, Essex UK - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to < <mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org> emc-p...@ieee.org> All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: <http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html> http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at <http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/> http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: <http://www.ieee-pses.org/> http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: <http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html> http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: <http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html> http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas < <mailto:emcp...@radiusnorth.net> emcp...@radiusnorth.net> Mike Cantwell < <mailto:mcantw...@ieee.org> mcantw...@ieee.org> For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: < <mailto:j.bac...@ieee.org> j.bac...@ieee.org> David Heald: < <mailto:dhe...@gmail.com> dhe...@gmail.com> - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas Mike Cantwell For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: David Heald:
Re: [PSES] Buying Standards
In message <1bf7078af9474580aba7871481523...@blupr01mb147.prod.exchangelabs.com>, dated Fri, 26 Sep 2014, Rick Busche writes: Can someone explain the disparity in the price of standards between the Estonia (EVS) and those procured through other sources? When a standard is written it seems to me that a cost is associated with the development and intiial publication, in other words a copyright. As such all starndards (regardless of source) should reflect similar prices. It's a question of how national standards bodies get their funding. BSI, for example, needs a substantial contribution from sales of standards, but it doesn't charge for committee membership. I don't know how Estonia Standards is financed, through taxes or committee membership fees or But I expect it does need foreign currency. -- OOO - Own Opinions Only. With best wishes. See www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Quid faciamus nisi sit? John Woodgate, J M Woodgate and Associates, Rayleigh, Essex UK - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas Mike Cantwell For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: David Heald:
Re: [PSES] Buying Standards
Estonia might give you an answer. My experience is their help desk responds to questions within 2 days. Regards, Lauren Crane KLA-Tencor -Original Message- From: Rick Busche [mailto:rick.bus...@qnergy.com] Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 8:33 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Buying Standards Can someone explain the disparity in the price of standards between the Estonia (EVS) and those procured through other sources? When a standard is written it seems to me that a cost is associated with the development and intiial publication, in other words a copyright. As such all starndards (regardless of source) should reflect similar prices. Just curious... Rick -Original Message- From: Brian Oconnell [mailto:oconne...@tamuracorp.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 12:28 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Buying Standards Please note that I am NOT an advocate of violating copyrights or IP. Most of the (rather complex) PDF spec is in ISO32000-1. Note that PDF malware and non-standard encryption (aka ransomware) is not uncommon; and Adobe itself has a history of security failures. My employer is in the process of removing the Adobe reader from company machines, except where sand-boxed (VMware for Windoze, QEMU for Linux). www.cs.cmu.edu/~./dst/Adobe/Gallery/fileSaveAs.c http://pages.cs.wisc.edu/~ghost/ Brian -Original Message- From: ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen [mailto:g.grem...@cetest.nl] Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 6:17 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Buying Standards Well there is Adobe and Fileopen in that chain, as the license basically works with Adobe reader only. Adobe is a well-known "track everything" internet operator. And for those bodies. they act like commercial companies Who looks over their shoulders BTW.? Gert -Original Message- From: John Woodgate [mailto:j...@jmwa.demon.co.uk] Sent: woensdag 24 september 2014 14:57 To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Buying Standards In message , dated Wed, 24 Sep 2014, "ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen" writes: > The single user version is not usable in a commercial environment, as >it "phones home" and might transfer information that is confidential to >my business operations. Do you think a National Standards Body would have anything to do with such malpractice? -- OOO - Own Opinions Only. With best wishes. See www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Quid faciamus nisi sit? John Woodgate, J M Woodgate and Associates, Rayleigh, Essex UK - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas Mike Cantwell For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: David Heald: - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas Mike Cantwell For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: David Heald: - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrat
Re: [PSES] Buying Standards
Can someone explain the disparity in the price of standards between the Estonia (EVS) and those procured through other sources? When a standard is written it seems to me that a cost is associated with the development and intiial publication, in other words a copyright. As such all starndards (regardless of source) should reflect similar prices. Just curious... Rick -Original Message- From: Brian Oconnell [mailto:oconne...@tamuracorp.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 12:28 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Buying Standards Please note that I am NOT an advocate of violating copyrights or IP. Most of the (rather complex) PDF spec is in ISO32000-1. Note that PDF malware and non-standard encryption (aka ransomware) is not uncommon; and Adobe itself has a history of security failures. My employer is in the process of removing the Adobe reader from company machines, except where sand-boxed (VMware for Windoze, QEMU for Linux). www.cs.cmu.edu/~./dst/Adobe/Gallery/fileSaveAs.c http://pages.cs.wisc.edu/~ghost/ Brian -Original Message- From: ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen [mailto:g.grem...@cetest.nl] Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 6:17 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Buying Standards Well there is Adobe and Fileopen in that chain, as the license basically works with Adobe reader only. Adobe is a well-known "track everything" internet operator. And for those bodies. they act like commercial companies Who looks over their shoulders BTW.? Gert -Original Message- From: John Woodgate [mailto:j...@jmwa.demon.co.uk] Sent: woensdag 24 september 2014 14:57 To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Buying Standards In message , dated Wed, 24 Sep 2014, "ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen" writes: > The single user version is not usable in a commercial environment, as >it "phones home" and might transfer information that is confidential to >my business operations. Do you think a National Standards Body would have anything to do with such malpractice? -- OOO - Own Opinions Only. With best wishes. See www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Quid faciamus nisi sit? John Woodgate, J M Woodgate and Associates, Rayleigh, Essex UK - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas Mike Cantwell For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: David Heald: - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas Mike Cantwell For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: David Heald:
Re: [PSES] Buying Standards
Please note that I am NOT an advocate of violating copyrights or IP. Most of the (rather complex) PDF spec is in ISO32000-1. Note that PDF malware and non-standard encryption (aka ransomware) is not uncommon; and Adobe itself has a history of security failures. My employer is in the process of removing the Adobe reader from company machines, except where sand-boxed (VMware for Windoze, QEMU for Linux). www.cs.cmu.edu/~./dst/Adobe/Gallery/fileSaveAs.c http://pages.cs.wisc.edu/~ghost/ Brian -Original Message- From: ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen [mailto:g.grem...@cetest.nl] Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 6:17 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Buying Standards Well there is Adobe and Fileopen in that chain, as the license basically works with Adobe reader only. Adobe is a well-known "track everything" internet operator. And for those bodies. they act like commercial companies Who looks over their shoulders BTW.? Gert -Original Message- From: John Woodgate [mailto:j...@jmwa.demon.co.uk] Sent: woensdag 24 september 2014 14:57 To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Buying Standards In message , dated Wed, 24 Sep 2014, "ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen" writes: > The single user version is not usable in a commercial environment, as >it "phones home" and might transfer information that is confidential to >my business operations. Do you think a National Standards Body would have anything to do with such malpractice? -- OOO - Own Opinions Only. With best wishes. See www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Quid faciamus nisi sit? John Woodgate, J M Woodgate and Associates, Rayleigh, Essex UK - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas Mike Cantwell For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: David Heald:
Re: [PSES] Buying Standards
Per licensing terms for some sources and some states, not considered 'malpractice'. Brian -Original Message- From: John Woodgate [mailto:j...@jmwa.demon.co.uk] Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 5:57 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Buying Standards In message , dated Wed, 24 Sep 2014, "ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen" writes: > The single user version is not usable in a commercial environment, as >it "phones home" and might transfer information that is confidential to >my business operations. Do you think a National Standards Body would have anything to do with such malpractice? -- OOO - Own Opinions Only. With best wishes. See www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Quid faciamus nisi sit? John Woodgate, J M Woodgate and Associates, Rayleigh, Essex UK - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas Mike Cantwell For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: David Heald:
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Marty McFly notes? Michael Sundstrom Garmin Compliance Engineer 2-2606 (913) 440-1540 It's not what you look at that matters, it's what you see. Henery David Thoreau From: ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen [mailto:g.grem...@cetest.nl] Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 11:32 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Buying Standards You found that in what standard ;<) Gert Van: Anthony Thomson [mailto:ton...@europe.com] Verzonden: woensdag 24 september 2014 16:44 Aan: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG<mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG> Onderwerp: Re: [PSES] Buying Standards Hi Gert, You did ask for the most economical source for standards and received a valid answer. EVS are used and trusted by thousands of standards purchasers, including me. If however you are so concerned by monitoring and surveillance, then perhaps pay the extra and purchase paper copies by mail from BSI. As a precaution while using standards in this format, be sure to apply an aluminum foil, cranial neural oscillation attenuator to prevent remote electroencephalographic detection of any confidential information. ;-) Tony Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 at 2:16 PM From: "ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen" mailto:g.grem...@cetest.nl>> To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG<mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG> Subject: Re: [PSES] Buying Standards Well there is Adobe and Fileopen in that chain, as the license basically works with Adobe reader only. Adobe is a well-known "track everything" internet operator. And for those bodies. they act like commercial companies Who looks over their shoulders BTW.? Gert -Original Message- From: John Woodgate [mailto:j...@jmwa.demon.co.uk] Sent: woensdag 24 september 2014 14:57 To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG<mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG> Subject: Re: [PSES] Buying Standards In message mailto:FCA549BE3ECF9D4CB8CB8576837EA48920AA0D@ZEUS.cetest.local>>, dated Wed, 24 Sep 2014, "ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen" mailto:g.grem...@cetest.nl>> writes: > The single user version is not usable in a commercial environment, as >it "phones home" and might transfer information that is confidential to >my business operations. Do you think a National Standards Body would have anything to do with such malpractice? -- OOO - Own Opinions Only. With best wishes. See www.jmwa.demon.co.uk<http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk> Quid faciamus nisi sit? John Woodgate, J M Woodgate and Associates, Rayleigh, Essex UK - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org>> All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas mailto:emcp...@radiusnorth.net>> Mike Cantwell mailto:mcantw...@ieee.org>> For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: mailto:j.bac...@ieee.org>> David Heald: mailto:dhe...@gmail.com>> - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org>> All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas mailto:emcp...@radiusnorth.net>> Mike Cantwell mailto:mcantw...@ieee.org>> For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: mailto:j.bac...@ieee.org>> David Heald: mailto:dhe...@gmail.com>> - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org>> All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities
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In message , dated Wed, 24 Sep 2014, "ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen" writes: You found that in what standard ;<) It's obviously one of the IEC TC106 publications, but I think it's a Technical Report. -- OOO - Own Opinions Only. With best wishes. See www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Quid faciamus nisi sit? John Woodgate, J M Woodgate and Associates, Rayleigh, Essex UK - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas Mike Cantwell For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: David Heald:
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But what if one cannot speak Canadian? Brian From: Douglas Nix [mailto:d...@mac.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 8:03 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Buying Standards Mike, I buy my EN's from Danish Standards, http://ds.dk/en. Prices are roughly 50% of BSi list, with both English and Danish versions included. I haven't found a less expensive source for ISO and IEC standards yet, although CSA in Canada has recently started to sell ISO standards at or slightly below par, and in CAD, good if you're a Canuck like me. Doug Nix d...@ieee.org - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas Mike Cantwell For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: David Heald:
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You found that in what standard ;<) Gert Van: Anthony Thomson [mailto:ton...@europe.com] Verzonden: woensdag 24 september 2014 16:44 Aan: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Onderwerp: Re: [PSES] Buying Standards Hi Gert, You did ask for the most economical source for standards and received a valid answer. EVS are used and trusted by thousands of standards purchasers, including me. If however you are so concerned by monitoring and surveillance, then perhaps pay the extra and purchase paper copies by mail from BSI. As a precaution while using standards in this format, be sure to apply an aluminum foil, cranial neural oscillation attenuator to prevent remote electroencephalographic detection of any confidential information. ;-) Tony Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 at 2:16 PM From: "ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen" To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Buying Standards Well there is Adobe and Fileopen in that chain, as the license basically works with Adobe reader only. Adobe is a well-known "track everything" internet operator. And for those bodies. they act like commercial companies Who looks over their shoulders BTW.? Gert -Original Message- From: John Woodgate [mailto:j...@jmwa.demon.co.uk] Sent: woensdag 24 september 2014 14:57 To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Buying Standards In message , dated Wed, 24 Sep 2014, "ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen" writes: > The single user version is not usable in a commercial environment, as >it "phones home" and might transfer information that is confidential to >my business operations. Do you think a National Standards Body would have anything to do with such malpractice? -- OOO - Own Opinions Only. With best wishes. See www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Quid faciamus nisi sit? John Woodgate, J M Woodgate and Associates, Rayleigh, Essex UK - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas Mike Cantwell For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: David Heald: - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas Mike Cantwell For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: David Heald: - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) <http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html> List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas Mike Cantwell For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher David Heald - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ In
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Mike, I buy my EN’s from Danish Standards, http://ds.dk/en. Prices are roughly 50% of BSi list, with both English and Danish versions included. I haven’t found a less expensive source for ISO and IEC standards yet, although CSA in Canada has recently started to sell ISO standards at or slightly below par, and in CAD, good if you’re a Canuck like me. Doug Nix d...@ieee.org On 23-Sep-14, at 22:17, Mike Cantwell wrote: > Hi all, > > I have to buy a whole bunch of standards, mostly EN but also a few IEC > standards. I’m familiar with BSI and IHS Global, what are the other sources > of these standards? and which sources have the lowest prices? I’ll check out > any responses I receive and will post a summary list with a rating for cost. > I’m sure that more people than just I would be interested in knowing where > they can get the most bang for their buck. > > Regards, > Mike > > > > > > - > > This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc > discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to > > > All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: > http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html > > Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at > http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used > formats), large files, etc. > > Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ > Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to > unsubscribe) > List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html > > For help, send mail to the list administrators: > Scott Douglas > Mike Cantwell > > For policy questions, send mail to: > Jim Bacher > David Heald > - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas Mike Cantwell For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: David Heald:
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In message -lxa10>, dated Wed, 24 Sep 2014, Anthony Thomson writes: If however you are so concerned by monitoring and surveillance, then perhaps pay the extra and purchase paper copies by mail from BSI. It's well-known that hard-copy standard are impregnated with psychotropic substances, so that you find yourself compelled to buy more and more standards.(;-) -- OOO - Own Opinions Only. With best wishes. See www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Quid faciamus nisi sit? John Woodgate, J M Woodgate and Associates, Rayleigh, Essex UK - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas Mike Cantwell For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: David Heald:
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In message , dated Wed, 24 Sep 2014, "ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen" writes: And for those bodies. they act like commercial companies Who looks over their shoulders BTW.? CENELEC, the Commission and IEC/ISO. If a national standards body was involved in malpractice it would probably be required to withdraw. -- OOO - Own Opinions Only. With best wishes. See www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Quid faciamus nisi sit? John Woodgate, J M Woodgate and Associates, Rayleigh, Essex UK - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas Mike Cantwell For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: David Heald:
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Gert -- Look on the Estonian web site for the "multi-user" license option. It does use FileOpen software. The multi-user license specifically allows a network installation. I recommend that you buy one of the less expensive standards with a multi-user license and test it on your system to answer the rest of your questions. Mike Sherman Product Safety and Compliance Engineer Graco Inc. - Original Message - From: "qualified testing bv ce-test - Gert Gremmen" To: "EMC-PSTC" Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 1:00:43 AM Subject: Re: [PSES] Buying Standards Hi Dave, Some more questions on the EE standards: The site gives ample information about a single user license but none on your suggested two user license: So some questions remain: - Are these fonts they searchable ? - Can they be opened in other (faster) viewers and less invasive readers such as Foxit reader ? - Does the multi-user version need to be placed on a server ? - Is there a special version of the fileopen software? - Any internet connection used for use, print of view ? And if so what happens if the internet connection is offline ? - Backup problems ? - Cut & paste possible (copy a setup diagram for example, or the scope ?) Gert Gremmen From: Nyffenegger, Dave [mailto:dave.nyffeneg...@bhemail.com] Sent: woensdag 24 september 2014 5:20 To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Buying Standards Some more details, you can buy hard copy or single user license or multi-user license from Estonia. Single user license is locked to one PC and printing is limited. I always buy multi (2) user licenses for each standard for only a few Euros more which allows the PDFs to sit on a server and no printing restrictions. -Dave From: Nyffenegger, Dave [mailto:dave.nyffeneg...@bhemail.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 10:45 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Buying Standards After being recommended by this forum I’ve been getting all my standards from Estonia http://www.evs.ee/shop . Can’t beat the prices for the EVS versions. -Dave From: Mike Cantwell [ mailto:mike.cantw...@outlook.com ] Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 10:18 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [PSES] Buying Standards Hi all, I have to buy a whole bunch of standards, mostly EN but also a few IEC standards. I’m familiar with BSI and IHS Global, what are the other sources of these standards? and which sources have the lowest prices? I’ll check out any responses I receive and will post a summary list with a rating for cost. I’m sure that more people than just I would be interested in knowing where they can get the most bang for their buck. Regards, Mike - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to < emc-p...@ieee.org > All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas < emcp...@radiusnorth.net > Mike Cantwell < mcantw...@ieee.org > For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher < j.bac...@ieee.org > David Heald < dhe...@gmail.com > - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to < emc-p...@ieee.org > All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas < emcp...@radiusnorth.net > Mike Cantwell < mcantw...@ieee.org > For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher < j.bac...@ieee.org > David Heald < dhe...@gmail.com > - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to < emc-p.
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Hi Gert, You did ask for the most economical source for standards and received a valid answer. EVS are used and trusted by thousands of standards purchasers, including me. If however you are so concerned by monitoring and surveillance, then perhaps pay the extra and purchase paper copies by mail from BSI. As a precaution while using standards in this format, be sure to apply an aluminum foil, cranial neural oscillation attenuator to prevent remote electroencephalographic detection of any confidential information. ;-) Tony Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 at 2:16 PM From: "ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen" To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Buying Standards Well there is Adobe and Fileopen in that chain, as the license basically works with Adobe reader only. Adobe is a well-known "track everything" internet operator. And for those bodies. they act like commercial companies Who looks over their shoulders BTW.? Gert -Original Message- From: John Woodgate [mailto:j...@jmwa.demon.co.uk] Sent: woensdag 24 september 2014 14:57 To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Buying Standards In message , dated Wed, 24 Sep 2014, "ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen" writes: > The single user version is not usable in a commercial environment, as >it "phones home" and might transfer information that is confidential to >my business operations. Do you think a National Standards Body would have anything to do with such malpractice? -- OOO - Own Opinions Only. With best wishes. See www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Quid faciamus nisi sit? John Woodgate, J M Woodgate and Associates, Rayleigh, Essex UK - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas Mike Cantwell For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: David Heald: - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas Mike Cantwell For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: David Heald: - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to <emc-p...@ieee.org> All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas <emcp...@radiusnorth.net> Mike Cantwell <mcantw...@ieee.org> For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher <j.bac...@ieee.org> David Heald <dhe...@gmail.com>
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Dave et al, Thanks for the help I will try these multi-user option next time. Gert From: Nyffenegger, Dave [mailto:dave.nyffeneg...@bhemail.com] Sent: woensdag 24 september 2014 15:40 To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Buying Standards I recall there is an explanation on the EVS web site regarding the purchase options and details on what you get. I think there is also a low cost one time view on-line option as well. You have to go through the add to cart process to get the option to pick multi-user electronic delivery option and then select 2 or more users to get the price. With the mulit-user license you get an unlocked PDF that you can do anything with. This is the reason I use that option. So the unlocked PDF is searchable, the docs open just fine in Acrobat reader or Pro (or I imagine any other PDF reader), you can put a copy of the doc on a local PC and/or on a server, you can open it with standard Acrobat with no special plugins, you don't need an Internet connection once you download it, you can copy and paste (another reason I use the multi user option for citations of bits and pieces). You are supposed to use no more than the simultaneous number of licenses purchased but there is no digital enforcement. The files are watermarked with your license information. -Dave From: ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen [mailto:g.grem...@cetest.nl] Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 2:01 AM To: Nyffenegger, Dave; EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: RE: [PSES] Buying Standards Hi Dave, Some more questions on the EE standards: The site gives ample information about a single user license but none on your suggested two user license: So some questions remain: - Are these fonts they searchable ? - Can they be opened in other (faster) viewers and less invasive readers such as Foxit reader ? - Does the multi-user version need to be placed on a server ? - Is there a special version of the fileopen software? - Any internet connection used for use, print of view ? And if so what happens if the internet connection is offline ? - Backup problems ? - Cut & paste possible (copy a setup diagram for example, or the scope ?) Gert Gremmen From: Nyffenegger, Dave [mailto:dave.nyffeneg...@bhemail.com] Sent: woensdag 24 september 2014 5:20 To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Buying Standards Some more details, you can buy hard copy or single user license or multi-user license from Estonia. Single user license is locked to one PC and printing is limited. I always buy multi (2) user licenses for each standard for only a few Euros more which allows the PDFs to sit on a server and no printing restrictions. -Dave From: Nyffenegger, Dave [mailto:dave.nyffeneg...@bhemail.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 10:45 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Buying Standards After being recommended by this forum I've been getting all my standards from Estonia http://www.evs.ee/shop. Can't beat the prices for the EVS versions. -Dave From: Mike Cantwell [mailto:mike.cantw...@outlook.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 10:18 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [PSES] Buying Standards Hi all, I have to buy a whole bunch of standards, mostly EN but also a few IEC standards. I'm familiar with BSI and IHS Global, what are the other sources of these standards? and which sources have the lowest prices? I'll check out any responses I receive and will post a summary list with a rating for cost. I'm sure that more people than just I would be interested in knowing where they can get the most bang for their buck. Regards, Mike - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) <http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html> List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas Mike Cantwell For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher David Heald - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pse
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We find the most economical route for IEC and EN, is purchasing the IS versions of the standard (if published). Best Regards, Jody Leber Consumer Testing Services Global Battery and Accumulator Technical Manager Battery, Energy Efficiency and Safety Laboratory Manager Direct: 770.570.1838 Main: 770.570.1800 Mobile: 678.469.9835 -Original Message- From: ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen [mailto:g.grem...@cetest.nl] Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 9:17 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Buying Standards Well there is Adobe and Fileopen in that chain, as the license basically works with Adobe reader only. Adobe is a well-known "track everything" internet operator. And for those bodies. they act like commercial companies Who looks over their shoulders BTW.? Gert -Original Message- From: John Woodgate [mailto:j...@jmwa.demon.co.uk] Sent: woensdag 24 september 2014 14:57 To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Buying Standards In message , dated Wed, 24 Sep 2014, "ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen" writes: > The single user version is not usable in a commercial environment, as >it "phones home" and might transfer information that is confidential to >my business operations. Do you think a National Standards Body would have anything to do with such malpractice? -- OOO - Own Opinions Only. With best wishes. See www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Quid faciamus nisi sit? John Woodgate, J M Woodgate and Associates, Rayleigh, Essex UK - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas Mike Cantwell For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: David Heald: - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas Mike Cantwell For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: David Heald: Information in this email and any attachments is confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual(s) to whom it is addressed or otherwise directed. Please note that any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of the Company. Finally, the recipient should check this email and any attachments for the presence of viruses. The Company accepts no liability for any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this email. All SGS services are rendered in accordance with the applicable SGS conditions of service available on request and accessible at http://www.sgs.com/en/Terms-and-Conditions.aspx - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas Mike Cantwell For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: David Heald:
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I recall there is an explanation on the EVS web site regarding the purchase options and details on what you get. I think there is also a low cost one time view on-line option as well. You have to go through the add to cart process to get the option to pick multi-user electronic delivery option and then select 2 or more users to get the price. With the mulit-user license you get an unlocked PDF that you can do anything with. This is the reason I use that option. So the unlocked PDF is searchable, the docs open just fine in Acrobat reader or Pro (or I imagine any other PDF reader), you can put a copy of the doc on a local PC and/or on a server, you can open it with standard Acrobat with no special plugins, you don't need an Internet connection once you download it, you can copy and paste (another reason I use the multi user option for citations of bits and pieces). You are supposed to use no more than the simultaneous number of licenses purchased but there is no digital enforcement. The files are watermarked with your license information. -Dave From: ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen [mailto:g.grem...@cetest.nl] Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 2:01 AM To: Nyffenegger, Dave; EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: RE: [PSES] Buying Standards Hi Dave, Some more questions on the EE standards: The site gives ample information about a single user license but none on your suggested two user license: So some questions remain: - Are these fonts they searchable ? - Can they be opened in other (faster) viewers and less invasive readers such as Foxit reader ? - Does the multi-user version need to be placed on a server ? - Is there a special version of the fileopen software? - Any internet connection used for use, print of view ? And if so what happens if the internet connection is offline ? - Backup problems ? - Cut & paste possible (copy a setup diagram for example, or the scope ?) Gert Gremmen From: Nyffenegger, Dave [mailto:dave.nyffeneg...@bhemail.com] Sent: woensdag 24 september 2014 5:20 To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Buying Standards Some more details, you can buy hard copy or single user license or multi-user license from Estonia. Single user license is locked to one PC and printing is limited. I always buy multi (2) user licenses for each standard for only a few Euros more which allows the PDFs to sit on a server and no printing restrictions. -Dave From: Nyffenegger, Dave [mailto:dave.nyffeneg...@bhemail.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 10:45 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Buying Standards After being recommended by this forum I've been getting all my standards from Estonia http://www.evs.ee/shop. Can't beat the prices for the EVS versions. -Dave From: Mike Cantwell [mailto:mike.cantw...@outlook.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 10:18 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG<mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG> Subject: [PSES] Buying Standards Hi all, I have to buy a whole bunch of standards, mostly EN but also a few IEC standards. I'm familiar with BSI and IHS Global, what are the other sources of these standards? and which sources have the lowest prices? I'll check out any responses I receive and will post a summary list with a rating for cost. I'm sure that more people than just I would be interested in knowing where they can get the most bang for their buck. Regards, Mike - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org>> All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe)<http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html> List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas mailto:emcp...@radiusnorth.net>> Mike Cantwell mailto:mcantw...@ieee.org>> For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher mailto:j.bac...@ieee.org>> David Heald mailto:dhe...@gmail.com>> - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org>> All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Commun
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Gert, If you buy the multi-user versions from Estonia I don't think it is tied to the Adobe and Fileopen. I always buy 2 license copies when I get standards from them and place the files on our network. Our preferred pdf reader is not always Adobe and there have been no problems. Josh -Original Message- From: ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen [mailto:g.grem...@cetest.nl] Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 8:17 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [External] Re: [PSES] Buying Standards Well there is Adobe and Fileopen in that chain, as the license basically works with Adobe reader only. Adobe is a well-known "track everything" internet operator. And for those bodies. they act like commercial companies Who looks over their shoulders BTW.? Gert -Original Message- From: John Woodgate [mailto:j...@jmwa.demon.co.uk] Sent: woensdag 24 september 2014 14:57 To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Buying Standards In message , dated Wed, 24 Sep 2014, "ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen" writes: > The single user version is not usable in a commercial environment, as >it "phones home" and might transfer information that is confidential to >my business operations. Do you think a National Standards Body would have anything to do with such malpractice? -- OOO - Own Opinions Only. With best wishes. See www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Quid faciamus nisi sit? John Woodgate, J M Woodgate and Associates, Rayleigh, Essex UK - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas Mike Cantwell For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: David Heald: - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas Mike Cantwell For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: David Heald: - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas Mike Cantwell For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: David Heald:
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Well there is Adobe and Fileopen in that chain, as the license basically works with Adobe reader only. Adobe is a well-known "track everything" internet operator. And for those bodies. they act like commercial companies Who looks over their shoulders BTW.? Gert -Original Message- From: John Woodgate [mailto:j...@jmwa.demon.co.uk] Sent: woensdag 24 september 2014 14:57 To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Buying Standards In message , dated Wed, 24 Sep 2014, "ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen" writes: > The single user version is not usable in a commercial environment, as >it "phones home" and might transfer information that is confidential to >my business operations. Do you think a National Standards Body would have anything to do with such malpractice? -- OOO - Own Opinions Only. With best wishes. See www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Quid faciamus nisi sit? John Woodgate, J M Woodgate and Associates, Rayleigh, Essex UK - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas Mike Cantwell For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: David Heald: - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas Mike Cantwell For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: David Heald:
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In message , dated Wed, 24 Sep 2014, "ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen" writes: The single user version is not usable in a commercial environment, as it "phones home" and might transfer information that is confidential to my business operations. Do you think a National Standards Body would have anything to do with such malpractice? -- OOO - Own Opinions Only. With best wishes. See www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Quid faciamus nisi sit? John Woodgate, J M Woodgate and Associates, Rayleigh, Essex UK - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas Mike Cantwell For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: David Heald:
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My questions were not oriented to find "a way" , but to be able to understand how invasive the product is (on my network), to protect my privacy , and to be able to judge the reduced usability, compared to a plain PDF version. The single user version is not usable in a commercial environment, as it "phones home" and might transfer information that is confidential to my business operations. I cannot promise any customer to keen their product info confindetial If there is a softeware license module calling Estonia when I open or print Tthe standard, regardless their promises. (They use 3rd party stuff, nobody knows what their creator has in mind here. At least there is no information available. If even Apple spies on us, and Google does, why not Fileopen and/or Adobe. Gert -Original Message- From: John Woodgate [mailto:j...@jmwa.demon.co.uk] Sent: woensdag 24 september 2014 8:56 To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Buying Standards In message , dated Wed, 24 Sep 2014, "ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen" writes: > Cut & paste possible (copy a setup diagram for example, or the scope > There is always a way, even if a document is heavily protected. Sometimes you can print a page and scan and OCR the part you want to include in your personal notes. In some cases, you can screen-grab, copy as a graphic and either OCR that or use it as-is. But of course all copyright rules must be respected. -- OOO - Own Opinions Only. With best wishes. See www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Quid faciamus nisi sit? John Woodgate, J M Woodgate and Associates, Rayleigh, Essex UK - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas Mike Cantwell For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: David Heald: - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas Mike Cantwell For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: David Heald:
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In message , dated Wed, 24 Sep 2014, "ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen" writes: Cut & paste possible (copy a setup diagram for example, or the scope There is always a way, even if a document is heavily protected. Sometimes you can print a page and scan and OCR the part you want to include in your personal notes. In some cases, you can screen-grab, copy as a graphic and either OCR that or use it as-is. But of course all copyright rules must be respected. -- OOO - Own Opinions Only. With best wishes. See www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Quid faciamus nisi sit? John Woodgate, J M Woodgate and Associates, Rayleigh, Essex UK - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas Mike Cantwell For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: David Heald:
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In message <002e01cfd7be$9c6ed120$d54c7360$@westin-emission.no>, dated Wed, 24 Sep 2014, Amund Westin writes: I usually by standards from Denmark. Check out http://www.ds.dk/en Prices are much lower than elsewhere, but not as low as from Estonia. -- OOO - Own Opinions Only. With best wishes. See www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Quid faciamus nisi sit? John Woodgate, J M Woodgate and Associates, Rayleigh, Essex UK - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas Mike Cantwell For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: David Heald:
[PSES] SV: [PSES] Buying Standards
I usually by standards from Denmark. Check out http://www.ds.dk/en Best regards Amund Fra: Mike Cantwell [mailto:mike.cantw...@outlook.com] Sendt: 24. september 2014 04:18 Til: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Emne: [PSES] Buying Standards Hi all, I have to buy a whole bunch of standards, mostly EN but also a few IEC standards. I'm familiar with BSI and IHS Global, what are the other sources of these standards? and which sources have the lowest prices? I'll check out any responses I receive and will post a summary list with a rating for cost. I'm sure that more people than just I would be interested in knowing where they can get the most bang for their buck. Regards, Mike - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org> > All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) <http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html> List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas mailto:emcp...@radiusnorth.net> > Mike Cantwell mailto:mcantw...@ieee.org> > For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher mailto:j.bac...@ieee.org> > David Heald mailto:dhe...@gmail.com> > - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas Mike Cantwell For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: David Heald:
Re: [PSES] Buying Standards
Hi Dave, Some more questions on the EE standards: The site gives ample information about a single user license but none on your suggested two user license: So some questions remain: - Are these fonts they searchable ? - Can they be opened in other (faster) viewers and less invasive readers such as Foxit reader ? - Does the multi-user version need to be placed on a server ? - Is there a special version of the fileopen software? - Any internet connection used for use, print of view ? And if so what happens if the internet connection is offline ? - Backup problems ? - Cut & paste possible (copy a setup diagram for example, or the scope ?) Gert Gremmen From: Nyffenegger, Dave [mailto:dave.nyffeneg...@bhemail.com] Sent: woensdag 24 september 2014 5:20 To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Buying Standards Some more details, you can buy hard copy or single user license or multi-user license from Estonia. Single user license is locked to one PC and printing is limited. I always buy multi (2) user licenses for each standard for only a few Euros more which allows the PDFs to sit on a server and no printing restrictions. -Dave From: Nyffenegger, Dave [mailto:dave.nyffeneg...@bhemail.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 10:45 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Buying Standards After being recommended by this forum I've been getting all my standards from Estonia http://www.evs.ee/shop. Can't beat the prices for the EVS versions. -Dave From: Mike Cantwell [mailto:mike.cantw...@outlook.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 10:18 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [PSES] Buying Standards Hi all, I have to buy a whole bunch of standards, mostly EN but also a few IEC standards. I'm familiar with BSI and IHS Global, what are the other sources of these standards? and which sources have the lowest prices? I'll check out any responses I receive and will post a summary list with a rating for cost. I'm sure that more people than just I would be interested in knowing where they can get the most bang for their buck. Regards, Mike - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) <http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html> List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas Mike Cantwell For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher David Heald - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) <http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html> List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas Mike Cantwell For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher David Heald - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) <http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html> List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas Mike Cantwell For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher David Heald - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a
Re: [PSES] Buying Standards
Some more details, you can buy hard copy or single user license or multi-user license from Estonia. Single user license is locked to one PC and printing is limited. I always buy multi (2) user licenses for each standard for only a few Euros more which allows the PDFs to sit on a server and no printing restrictions. -Dave From: Nyffenegger, Dave [mailto:dave.nyffeneg...@bhemail.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 10:45 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Buying Standards After being recommended by this forum I've been getting all my standards from Estonia http://www.evs.ee/shop. Can't beat the prices for the EVS versions. -Dave From: Mike Cantwell [mailto:mike.cantw...@outlook.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 10:18 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG<mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG> Subject: [PSES] Buying Standards Hi all, I have to buy a whole bunch of standards, mostly EN but also a few IEC standards. I'm familiar with BSI and IHS Global, what are the other sources of these standards? and which sources have the lowest prices? I'll check out any responses I receive and will post a summary list with a rating for cost. I'm sure that more people than just I would be interested in knowing where they can get the most bang for their buck. Regards, Mike - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org>> All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe)<http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html> List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas mailto:emcp...@radiusnorth.net>> Mike Cantwell mailto:mcantw...@ieee.org>> For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher mailto:j.bac...@ieee.org>> David Heald mailto:dhe...@gmail.com>> - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org>> All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe)<http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html> List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas mailto:emcp...@radiusnorth.net>> Mike Cantwell mailto:mcantw...@ieee.org>> For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher mailto:j.bac...@ieee.org>> David Heald mailto:dhe...@gmail.com>> - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas Mike Cantwell For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: David Heald:
Re: [PSES] Buying Standards
It depends on what one is looking for in standards and if you need single/multiuser license. Sources include techstreet.com, document-center.com, and ANSI standards store. There's a subscription option with Techstreet that gives you access to a block of standards - IEC or EN, IEEE for instance. The Estonia standards body is known to offer single-user piecemeal pricing on IEC type standards at fairly low cost. I'll be curious to see the summary list you compile. -Original Message- From: "Mike Cantwell" Sent: 9/23/2014 10:18 PM To: "EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG" Subject: [PSES] Buying Standards Hi all, I have to buy a whole bunch of standards, mostly EN but also a few IEC standards. I’m familiar with BSI and IHS Global, what are the other sources of these standards? and which sources have the lowest prices? I’ll check out any responses I receive and will post a summary list with a rating for cost. I’m sure that more people than just I would be interested in knowing where they can get the most bang for their buck. Regards, Mike - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas Mike Cantwell For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher David Heald - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas Mike Cantwell For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: David Heald:
Re: [PSES] Buying Standards
After being recommended by this forum I've been getting all my standards from Estonia http://www.evs.ee/shop. Can't beat the prices for the EVS versions. -Dave From: Mike Cantwell [mailto:mike.cantw...@outlook.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 10:18 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [PSES] Buying Standards Hi all, I have to buy a whole bunch of standards, mostly EN but also a few IEC standards. I'm familiar with BSI and IHS Global, what are the other sources of these standards? and which sources have the lowest prices? I'll check out any responses I receive and will post a summary list with a rating for cost. I'm sure that more people than just I would be interested in knowing where they can get the most bang for their buck. Regards, Mike - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org>> All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe)<http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html> List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas mailto:emcp...@radiusnorth.net>> Mike Cantwell mailto:mcantw...@ieee.org>> For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher mailto:j.bac...@ieee.org>> David Heald mailto:dhe...@gmail.com>> - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas Mike Cantwell For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: David Heald:
[PSES] Buying Standards
Hi all, I have to buy a whole bunch of standards, mostly EN but also a few IEC standards. I’m familiar with BSI and IHS Global, what are the other sources of these standards? and which sources have the lowest prices? I’ll check out any responses I receive and will post a summary list with a rating for cost. I’m sure that more people than just I would be interested in knowing where they can get the most bang for their buck. Regards, Mike - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas Mike Cantwell For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: David Heald:
