RE: AC Adapters in Australia
I strongly recommend that you review the legal requirements for the C-tick mark at http://www.aca.gov.au/ http://www.aca.gov.au/ and determine for yourself what you must do. Richard Woods -- From: innova...@t-online.de [SMTP:innova...@t-online.de] Sent: Monday, February 12, 2001 1:11 AM To: Kevin Richardson; wo...@sensormatic.com; emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: AW: AC Adapters in Australia Richard, one of my clients require approval for Australia. (C-tick mark). My understanding is, that I have to send the sample to Australia for approval. Do you know the adress of the appropriate department, organisation? Thank you in advance Horst Haug -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: owner-emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:owner-emc-p...@ieee.org]Im Auftrag von Kevin Richardson Gesendet: Dienstag, 16. Januar 2001 04:35 An: wo...@sensormatic.com; emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Betreff: RE: AC Adapters in Australia Richard, If by AC Adapter you mean a plug-pack stand-alone SELV type power supply (i.e. an Extra-Low Voltage Power Supply Unit) then it is a Declared Article and requires electrical approval (by one of the Australian State Electricity Authorities etc). I notice you picked up on for business use only. Although the Declared Articles listing does say that such devices only fall under the Declared Articles listing if they are of a household type, the Electricity Authorities consider all such devices can be of a household type unless they have a very unique means of connection between the AC Adapter and the equipment it supplies (i.e. most have relatively common means of connection enabling them to be used to power many other types of equipment, including household type equipment. My advice is - approval required Richard. Best regards, Kevin Richardson Stanimore Pty Limited Compliance Advice Solutions for Technology Products and Services (Legislation/Regulations/Standards) Ph: 02-4329-4070 (Int'l: +61-2-4329-4070) Fax: 02-4328-5639 (Int'l: +61-2-4328-5639) Mobile: 04-1224-1620 (Int'l: +61-4-1224-1620) Email:k...@compuserve.com kevin.richard...@ieee.org k...@technologist.com (alternate internet) -Original Message- From: owner-emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:owner-emc-p...@ieee.org]On Behalf Of wo...@sensormatic.com Sent: Tuesday, 16 January 2001 8:42 AM To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: AC Adapters in Australia The subject is an AC adapter imported into Australia as part of non-telecom ITE for business use only. Is the AC Adapter for this particular application considered to be declared and thus subject to safety approval? Richard Woods --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org
AW: AC Adapters in Australia
Richard, one of my clients require approval for Australia. (C-tick mark). My understanding is, that I have to send the sample to Australia for approval. Do you know the adress of the appropriate department, organisation? Thank you in advance Horst Haug -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: owner-emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:owner-emc-p...@ieee.org]Im Auftrag von Kevin Richardson Gesendet: Dienstag, 16. Januar 2001 04:35 An: wo...@sensormatic.com; emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Betreff: RE: AC Adapters in Australia Richard, If by AC Adapter you mean a plug-pack stand-alone SELV type power supply (i.e. an Extra-Low Voltage Power Supply Unit) then it is a Declared Article and requires electrical approval (by one of the Australian State Electricity Authorities etc). I notice you picked up on for business use only. Although the Declared Articles listing does say that such devices only fall under the Declared Articles listing if they are of a household type, the Electricity Authorities consider all such devices can be of a household type unless they have a very unique means of connection between the AC Adapter and the equipment it supplies (i.e. most have relatively common means of connection enabling them to be used to power many other types of equipment, including household type equipment. My advice is - approval required Richard. Best regards, Kevin Richardson Stanimore Pty Limited Compliance Advice Solutions for Technology Products and Services (Legislation/Regulations/Standards) Ph: 02-4329-4070 (Int'l: +61-2-4329-4070) Fax: 02-4328-5639 (Int'l: +61-2-4328-5639) Mobile: 04-1224-1620 (Int'l: +61-4-1224-1620) Email:k...@compuserve.com kevin.richard...@ieee.org k...@technologist.com (alternate internet) -Original Message- From: owner-emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:owner-emc-p...@ieee.org]On Behalf Of wo...@sensormatic.com Sent: Tuesday, 16 January 2001 8:42 AM To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: AC Adapters in Australia The subject is an AC adapter imported into Australia as part of non-telecom ITE for business use only. Is the AC Adapter for this particular application considered to be declared and thus subject to safety approval? Richard Woods --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org
Re: AC Adapters in Australia
Richard, Yes, most likely the adapter will require a safety approval. EMC is also required unless the unit ONLY comes with its powered product, and is not to be commercially available independently. George woods%sensormatic@interlock.lexmark.com on 01/15/2001 04:41:45 PM Please respond to woods%sensormatic@interlock.lexmark.com To: emc-pstc%majordomo.ieee@interlock.lexmark.com cc:(bcc: George Alspaugh/Lex/Lexmark) Subject: AC Adapters in Australia The subject is an AC adapter imported into Australia as part of non-telecom ITE for business use only. Is the AC Adapter for this particular application considered to be declared and thus subject to safety approval? Richard Woods --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org
RE: AC Adapters in Australia
Richard, If by AC Adapter you mean a plug-pack stand-alone SELV type power supply (i.e. an Extra-Low Voltage Power Supply Unit) then it is a Declared Article and requires electrical approval (by one of the Australian State Electricity Authorities etc). I notice you picked up on for business use only. Although the Declared Articles listing does say that such devices only fall under the Declared Articles listing if they are of a household type, the Electricity Authorities consider all such devices can be of a household type unless they have a very unique means of connection between the AC Adapter and the equipment it supplies (i.e. most have relatively common means of connection enabling them to be used to power many other types of equipment, including household type equipment. My advice is - approval required Richard. Best regards, Kevin Richardson Stanimore Pty Limited Compliance Advice Solutions for Technology Products and Services (Legislation/Regulations/Standards) Ph: 02-4329-4070 (Int'l: +61-2-4329-4070) Fax: 02-4328-5639 (Int'l: +61-2-4328-5639) Mobile: 04-1224-1620 (Int'l: +61-4-1224-1620) Email:k...@compuserve.com kevin.richard...@ieee.org k...@technologist.com (alternate internet) -Original Message- From: owner-emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:owner-emc-p...@ieee.org]On Behalf Of wo...@sensormatic.com Sent: Tuesday, 16 January 2001 8:42 AM To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: AC Adapters in Australia The subject is an AC adapter imported into Australia as part of non-telecom ITE for business use only. Is the AC Adapter for this particular application considered to be declared and thus subject to safety approval? Richard Woods --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org
RE: AC Adapters in Australia
Richard, Will need more details of the AC adaptor, but generally, will need a safety approval and may also need EMC approvals. Praveen -Original Message- From: wo...@sensormatic.com [mailto:wo...@sensormatic.com] Sent: Tuesday, 16 January 2001 8:42 AM To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: AC Adapters in Australia The subject is an AC adapter imported into Australia as part of non-telecom ITE for business use only. Is the AC Adapter for this particular application considered to be declared and thus subject to safety approval? Richard Woods --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org
AC Adapters in Australia
The subject is an AC adapter imported into Australia as part of non-telecom ITE for business use only. Is the AC Adapter for this particular application considered to be declared and thus subject to safety approval? Richard Woods --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org
RE: Polarity Markings on AC Adapters
As far as I know, EIAJ CP1104 is the only standard worldwide that has the dc polarity symbol for barrel connectors. (Likewise, as far as I know, Japan has the only standard for barrel connectors.) This symbol is definitely NOT in IEC 417. I'm glad somebody asked that question - I've wondered it myself. Thanks for answering, Rich. Doug Massey LXE, Inc. -Original Message- From: Rich Nute [mailto:ri...@sdd.hp.com] Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2000 12:16 PM To: geor...@lexmark.com Cc: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: Re: Polarity Markings on AC Adapters Hi George: Thanks for the quick response! Does this mean that the symbology is only a Japan requirement? and does it apply to ITE as well as audio-visual equipment? The referenced standard, EIAJ CP1104, is similar to IEC 417. Indeed, EIAJ CP1104 contains many symbols from IEC 417 as well as from other sources. While the symbols are primarily those relating to audio-visual equipment, many of the symbols have much broader application, e.g., ground symbols, ac and dc symbols, etc. I cannot say whether or not these symbols are requirements in Japan or whether or not the standard applies to ITE. I would guess, however, that EIAJ CP1104 is a document which is referenced by end-product standards just as IEC 417 is referenced by end-product standards. (While I have a copy of the standard, it is in Japanese and I cannot read it!) As far as I know, EIAJ CP1104 is the only standard worldwide that has the dc polarity symbol for barrel connectors. (Likewise, as far as I know, Japan has the only standard for barrel connectors.) Best regards, Rich --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org
RE: Polarity Markings on AC Adapters
Try this link for IEC 417 symbols http://w3.hike.te.chiba-u.ac.jp/iec417/ver2.0/html/index.html John Juhasz Fiber Options Bohemia, NY -Original Message- From: geor...@lexmark.com [mailto:geor...@lexmark.com] Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2000 10:45 AM To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: Polarity Markings on AC Adapters To the safety professionals I need some input on a subject for which I am no expert. Typically, our AC adapter suppliers provide units with polarity symbols a la: - + O-C-O ...where the -/+ signs are within the circles. The C represents the outside of a standard barrel connector, and a bold dot in the center of the C represents the inner portion of the connector. Such adapters may be polarized in either direction. I was recently asked the standard specifying this polarity symbol, and did not know, and if it is mandatory. Since the connector typically involves only SELV voltages, I could find no specific references to this polarity marking in IEC 60950. Section 1.7.2 would not apply unless a hazard was introduced by the use of an inappropriate polarity adapter with the intended load. Certainly I could search for the basis of this marking, but like many of you, have found that this forum is often the fastest way to obtain such information. Thank you for any information you may be able to provide. George Alspaugh Lexmark International Inc. --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org
Re: Polarity Markings on AC Adapters
Hi George: Thanks for the quick response! Does this mean that the symbology is only a Japan requirement? and does it apply to ITE as well as audio-visual equipment? The referenced standard, EIAJ CP1104, is similar to IEC 417. Indeed, EIAJ CP1104 contains many symbols from IEC 417 as well as from other sources. While the symbols are primarily those relating to audio-visual equipment, many of the symbols have much broader application, e.g., ground symbols, ac and dc symbols, etc. I cannot say whether or not these symbols are requirements in Japan or whether or not the standard applies to ITE. I would guess, however, that EIAJ CP1104 is a document which is referenced by end-product standards just as IEC 417 is referenced by end-product standards. (While I have a copy of the standard, it is in Japanese and I cannot read it!) As far as I know, EIAJ CP1104 is the only standard worldwide that has the dc polarity symbol for barrel connectors. (Likewise, as far as I know, Japan has the only standard for barrel connectors.) Best regards, Rich --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org
Polarity Markings on AC Adapters
Rich, Thanks for the quick response! Does this mean that the symbology is only a Japan requirement? and does it apply to ITE as well as audio-visual equipment? Yes, I would appreciate a copy by email, or fax to 859 232 6882. Regards, George Hi George: The dc polarity symbol is specified in: Symbol 01060 (taken from JEIDA 11) EIAJ CP-1104 (1998) Terms and Grpahical Symbols for Audio and Audio-Visual Equipment Technical Standardization Committee on Audio-Visual Equipment and Systems Electronic Industries Association of Japan This standard now specifies the mark using diamonds rather than circles to enclose the + and - signs. I'll send you a copy of the page in a separate message (because my UNIX mail system can't send attachments). If anyone else wants a copy, please send private mail to me at: ri...@sdd.hp.com Best regards, Rich --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org
Re: Polarity Markings on AC Adapters
Hi George: The dc polarity symbol is specified in: Symbol 01060 (taken from JEIDA 11) EIAJ CP-1104 (1998) Terms and Grpahical Symbols for Audio and Audio-Visual Equipment Technical Standardization Committee on Audio-Visual Equipment and Systems Electronic Industries Association of Japan This standard now specifies the mark using diamonds rather than circles to enclose the + and - signs. I'll send you a copy of the page in a separate message (because my UNIX mail system can't send attachments). If anyone else wants a copy, please send private mail to me at: ri...@sdd.hp.com Best regards, Rich --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org
Polarity Markings on AC Adapters
To the safety professionals I need some input on a subject for which I am no expert. Typically, our AC adapter suppliers provide units with polarity symbols a la: - + O-C-O ...where the -/+ signs are within the circles. The C represents the outside of a standard barrel connector, and a bold dot in the center of the C represents the inner portion of the connector. Such adapters may be polarized in either direction. I was recently asked the standard specifying this polarity symbol, and did not know, and if it is mandatory. Since the connector typically involves only SELV voltages, I could find no specific references to this polarity marking in IEC 60950. Section 1.7.2 would not apply unless a hazard was introduced by the use of an inappropriate polarity adapter with the intended load. Certainly I could search for the basis of this marking, but like many of you, have found that this forum is often the fastest way to obtain such information. Thank you for any information you may be able to provide. George Alspaugh Lexmark International Inc. --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org
RE: Fw: RE: AC Adapters
Don't forget Argentina and Chile. They are different. BTW, everyone should get the latest copy of IEC 60083. This report covers the world pretty well. Ron Wellman well...@corp.hp.com Subject: Fw: RE: AC Adapters Posted for Wayne Thomas: From: wayne.d.tho...@exgate.tek.com Subject: RE: AC Adapters Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 08:52:26 -0800 To: jrbar...@lexmark.com, emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org John, (And Group) We noticed that you did not mention China (GB 2099.1-1996). The layout is the same as the Australian (AS 3112) but the blades are thinner. If the thick Australian plug is pushed into the China socket it may damage it. It is our understanding that power cords for China require Certification as noted by the Great Wall Mark. Wayne Thomas Tektronix Inc. -Original Message- From: jrbar...@lexmark.com [SMTP:jrbar...@lexmark.com] Sent: Friday, March 19, 1999 6:52 AM To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: Re: AC Adapters 2. How many different adapters are required to be stocked to handle the various requirements for plugs and safety approvals? We find that nine grounded-plug styles cover us worldwide: * UL 817.21 (NEMA WD-1 5-15P, US and Canada). * AS 3112 (Australia). * BS 1363 (United Kingdom). * CEE7 VII (Schuko, Europe). * SII-32 (Israel). * SEV 1011 (Switzerland). * SABS 164 (South Africa). * CEI 23-16 (Italy). * AFSNIT 107 (Denmark). For a 2-wire (double-insulated, Class 2) product the CEE7 XVI(2) Europlug could take the place of the CEE7 VII and SEV 1011 plugs. ---End of Original Message- -- Ed Price ed.pr...@cubic.com Electromagnetic Compatibility Lab Cubic Defense Systems San Diego, CA. USA 619-505-2780 List-Post: emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org Date: 03/19/1999 Time: 09:10:58 -- - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, j...@gwmail.monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators). File: Fw_ RE_ AC Adapters.TXT
Re: AC Adapters
1. Is it true that plug adapters similar to those used by tourist are not legal in most countries? I would say the difficulty is not whether it is legal, but whether you could get the necessary agency approvals. I know of no laws saying it is illegal to use an adapter, but some agencies are unwilling to approve them due to the possibilities of misuse. It may depend on the adapter. For example it is easy to go from IEC 320 series to national plugs. It would be much harder to get someone who would make an adapter from NEMA 5-15R to NEMA 6-15P. You will probably have most trouble with importing stuff to countries which have come up with protectionist (slightly different) plug dimensions for standard configurations, like Japan, China, and Argentina. I have two different adapters (by Wellshin and Electricord) IEC 320 C13 to NEMA 5-15P with CSA labels, so clearly some agencies are offering approvals on some configurations. You might look at these as zero length cord sets. 2. How many different adapters are required to be stocked to handle the various requirements for plugs and safety approvals? Take a look at the power cord variations available from places like Panel Components, ICI, Feller, Belden, etc. to match your needs, picturing an IEC 320 C13 cord set as an adapter. You're not likely to want to bother with every permutation. 3. Would you please identify them by the countries that use them? Or, is there a good on-line source for this information? Just fill out literature request cards from design magazines and you will get tons of country charts and configuration pictures. Searches on the net will also lead to similar info. Cord sets are easy to find, adapters are harder. - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, j...@gwmail.monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
Fw: RE: AC Adapters
Posted for Wayne Thomas: From: wayne.d.tho...@exgate.tek.com Subject: RE: AC Adapters Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 08:52:26 -0800 To: jrbar...@lexmark.com, emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org John, (And Group) We noticed that you did not mention China (GB 2099.1-1996). The layout is the same as the Australian (AS 3112) but the blades are thinner. If the thick Australian plug is pushed into the China socket it may damage it. It is our understanding that power cords for China require Certification as noted by the Great Wall Mark. Wayne Thomas Tektronix Inc. -Original Message- From: jrbar...@lexmark.com [SMTP:jrbar...@lexmark.com] Sent: Friday, March 19, 1999 6:52 AM To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject:Re: AC Adapters 2. How many different adapters are required to be stocked to handle the various requirements for plugs and safety approvals? We find that nine grounded-plug styles cover us worldwide: * UL 817.21 (NEMA WD-1 5-15P, US and Canada). * AS 3112 (Australia). * BS 1363 (United Kingdom). * CEE7 VII (Schuko, Europe). * SII-32 (Israel). * SEV 1011 (Switzerland). * SABS 164 (South Africa). * CEI 23-16 (Italy). * AFSNIT 107 (Denmark). For a 2-wire (double-insulated, Class 2) product the CEE7 XVI(2) Europlug could take the place of the CEE7 VII and SEV 1011 plugs. ---End of Original Message- -- Ed Price ed.pr...@cubic.com Electromagnetic Compatibility Lab Cubic Defense Systems San Diego, CA. USA 619-505-2780 List-Post: emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org Date: 03/19/1999 Time: 09:10:58 -- - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, j...@gwmail.monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
Re: AC Adapters
Richard, Look here http://www.panelcomponents.com/guide/guide.htm for information on ac mains plugs/sockets. Dick Shultz On 3/18/99 12:32 PM WOODS, RICHARD wo...@sensormatic.com said To all of you who market equipment worldwide using AC adapters: 1. Is it true that plug adapters similar to those used by tourist are not legal in most countries? 2. How many different adapters are required to be stocked to handle the various requirements for plugs and safety approvals? 3. Would you please identify them by the countries that use them? Or, is there a good on-line source for this information? - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, j...@gwmail.monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators). - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, j...@gwmail.monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
Re: AC Adapters
1. Is it true that plug adapters similar to those used by tourist are not legal in most countries? Back in 1991, when we were still part of IBM, I looked at getting a power supply that would have an attached linecord with a CEE7 XVI(2) Europlug plug on it for Europe. For the United Kingdom and other countries that use the BS 1363 plug I wanted to use a plug adapter like you describe. Our Product Safety folks looked into it for me, and after a couple of weeks said that they could not see any way to get BSI approval of such an adapter for a permanently-installed piece of equipment. So we wound up putting an IEC-320 appliance inlet on the power supply and using standard linecords. I have not run across anything since then to indicate that plug adapters are legal for anything except temporary use. For the Lexmark Marknet XLe External Print Servers we got around the need to ship with nine different linecords by putting an Appliance Inlet/Outlet on the XLe's power supply and shipping a jumper cord with the unit. This IEC-320 C13 to IEC-320 C14 jumper cord had UL, CSA, and HAR (European Harmonized) approvals so it was accepted worldwide. The customer would steal the linecord from a nearby printer and plug it into the XLe's appliance inlet, then plug the jumper cord into the XLe's appliance outlet and the printer's appliance inlet to provide power to the printer. The Appliance Outlet plus jumper cord cost us about $4.50 in large volumes. For the Lexmark Marknet Pro External Print Servers we now have a universal power supply with a Y-cable. The Y-cable has an IEC-320 C13 female plug on one end and an IEC-320 C14 shrouded-male connector on the other end, with the power supply picking off its power at the junction of the two cables. The Y-cable serves the same function as the Appliance Outlet-jumper cord do for the XLe. This is a much less expensive solution, but took almost a year to get through all the safety agencies. 2. How many different adapters are required to be stocked to handle the various requirements for plugs and safety approvals? We find that nine grounded-plug styles cover us worldwide: * UL 817.21 (NEMA WD-1 5-15P, US and Canada). * AS 3112 (Australia). * BS 1363 (United Kingdom). * CEE7 VII (Schuko, Europe). * SII-32 (Israel). * SEV 1011 (Switzerland). * SABS 164 (South Africa). * CEI 23-16 (Italy). * AFSNIT 107 (Denmark). For a 2-wire (double-insulated, Class 2) product the CEE7 XVI(2) Europlug could take the place of the CEE7 VII and SEV 1011 plugs. 3. Would you please identify them by the countries that use them? Or, is there a good on-line source for this information? I believe that the most authoritative information on AC power to be found online is Panel Components Corporations' http://www.panelcomponents.com/guide/guide.htm They also have a free catalog, Export Designer's Reference Catalog #9, which is a superb reference for anyone concerned with worldwide power requirements (plus they offer some very fine products). You can get a catalog by calling them at (800)662-2290 or (515)673-5000, or E-mailing them at i...@panelcomponents.com. Some other websites with international primary-power-voltages/frequencies/plugs are: * http://kropla.com/electric.htm * http://www.walkabouttravelgear.com/wwelect.htm * http://www.fele.com/empd/tech/fe-power.html * http://www.thomasregister.com/olc/interconfig/ * http://www.thomasregister.com/olc/interconfig/icipg4.htm * http://www.thomasregister.com/olc/interconfig/icipg5.htm * http://www.quail.com/intcords/ * http://www.quail.com/locator/index.html * http://www.computerac.com/IPC.html * http://www.teleadapt.com/web/Catalogue/Index John Barnes Advisory Engineer Lexmark International - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, j...@gwmail.monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
RE: AC Adapters
We supply AC Adapters with a IEC320 appliance coupler. We then leave it to the company we supply the adapter to to provide their own ac cord for the country they sell the adapter in. This saves us bucu bucks by not having to keep all the wierd plugs of the world in stock. Daniel W. Mitchell Product Safety Associate Engineer EOS Corp. -- From: WOODS, RICHARD[SMTP:wo...@sensormatic.com] Sent: Thursday, March 18, 1999 9:32 AM To: 'emc-pstc' Subject:AC Adapters To all of you who market equipment worldwide using AC adapters: 1. Is it true that plug adapters similar to those used by tourist are not legal in most countries? 2. How many different adapters are required to be stocked to handle the various requirements for plugs and safety approvals? 3. Would you please identify them by the countries that use them? Or, is there a good on-line source for this information? - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, j...@gwmail.monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators). - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, j...@gwmail.monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
RE: AC Adapters
Richard - 1. Yes it is true that these adaptors are not certified by any safety agency. I don't think any will allow a 120V rated plug to be adapted to a 240V outlet! 2. 9 plugs should cover over 90% of the world. 3. TelAdapt is one company that manufactures these types of plugs. Sorry, I don't know the phone number. Mike Campi Corporate Compliance Engineer Fujitsu PC Corp. -Original Message- From: WOODS, RICHARD [mailto:wo...@sensormatic.com] Sent: Thursday, March 18, 1999 9:33 AM To: 'emc-pstc' Subject: AC Adapters To all of you who market equipment worldwide using AC adapters: 1. Is it true that plug adapters similar to those used by tourist are not legal in most countries? 2. How many different adapters are required to be stocked to handle the various requirements for plugs and safety approvals? 3. Would you please identify them by the countries that use them? Or, is there a good on-line source for this information? - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, j...@gwmail.monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators). - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, j...@gwmail.monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
AC Adapters
To all of you who market equipment worldwide using AC adapters: 1. Is it true that plug adapters similar to those used by tourist are not legal in most countries? 2. How many different adapters are required to be stocked to handle the various requirements for plugs and safety approvals? 3. Would you please identify them by the countries that use them? Or, is there a good on-line source for this information? - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, j...@gwmail.monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
