Re: [PSES] IATA/ICAO and U 83.3 rules
Thank you all, once again very helpful information. Have a great weekend, Doug On Thu, Jan 25, 2018 at 2:09 PM, Ted Eckert <ted.eck...@microsoft.com> wrote: > Hello Doug, > > > > Go to the following website and download the “Shipping lithium batteries – > documentation requirements” file. > > http://www.fedex.com/id/tools/lithium.html > > > > It has a flow chart showing the UN shipping requirements for batteries > packaged within products. The batteries will need UN 38.3 testing, but > shipping batteries in products is fairly simple after that. > > > > Ted Eckert > > Microsoft Corporation > > > > The opinions expressed are my own and do not necessarily reflect those of > my employer. > > > > *From:* Doug Powell [mailto:doug...@gmail.com] > *Sent:* Thursday, January 25, 2018 12:45 PM > *To:* EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG > *Subject:* [PSES] IATA/ICAO and U 83.3 rules > > > > Hi all, > > > > I am curious to know if anyone is familiar with IATA/ICAO and UN 83.3 > rules as they apply to shipment of cell phones (and other products) with > built in batteries. Many manufacturers generally separate the battery from > the product or insulate one of the terminals to prevent inadvertent > activation during shipment. With built in batteries this is not always > possible. I don't believe the rules specifically say batteries must be > removed or disconnected. So how, exactly is this handled by most people? > > > > Thanks all. Doug > > > > -- Hel > > > > Douglas E Powell > > doug...@gmail.com > http://www.linkedin.com/in/dougp01 > <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.linkedin.com%2Fin%2Fdougp01=02%7C01%7Cted.eckert%40microsoft.com%7C5bdc0ee927cf4ff52a5b08d56434886d%7Cee3303d7fb734b0c8589bcd847f1c277%7C1%7C0%7C636525099150693182=uMrSQEcnVpM%2FCQJUKkhf7ERMyspiL%2FQlU5kjFSt13pk%3D=0> > > - > > > This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc > discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to < > emc-p...@ieee.org> > > All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: > http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html > <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ieee-pses.org%2Femc-pstc.html=02%7C01%7Cted.eckert%40microsoft.com%7C5bdc0ee927cf4ff52a5b08d56434886d%7Cee3303d7fb734b0c8589bcd847f1c277%7C1%7C0%7C636525099150693182=cI6T1K5Aj%2FJNVMwVILD2mCK%2B%2B65HhAdGTEce9Fm33GQ%3D=0> > > Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at > http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ > <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fproduct-compliance.oc.ieee.org%2F=02%7C01%7Cted.eckert%40microsoft.com%7C5bdc0ee927cf4ff52a5b08d56434886d%7Cee3303d7fb734b0c8589bcd847f1c277%7C1%7C0%7C636525099150693182=jX0wTTG6W3zwhJwvredHD3RBP5NxzzaPwajFD6JdSL0%3D=0> > can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. > > Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ > <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ieee-pses.org%2F=02%7C01%7Cted.eckert%40microsoft.com%7C5bdc0ee927cf4ff52a5b08d56434886d%7Cee3303d7fb734b0c8589bcd847f1c277%7C1%7C0%7C636525099150703187=YcCqpzjMACh1Hk%2BpGfVnoEMMhxswm3ee9wDdIEDHfFQ%3D=0> > Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to > unsubscribe) > <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ieee-pses.org%2Flist.html=02%7C01%7Cted.eckert%40microsoft.com%7C5bdc0ee927cf4ff52a5b08d56434886d%7Cee3303d7fb734b0c8589bcd847f1c277%7C1%7C0%7C636525099150703187=fa6qa9GK11ESMI%2B0jEDC3BTsAhmcyT6ql1u3%2FQcAsIw%3D=0> > List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html > <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ieee-pses.org%2Flistrules.html=02%7C01%7Cted.eckert%40microsoft.com%7C5bdc0ee927cf4ff52a5b08d56434886d%7Cee3303d7fb734b0c8589bcd847f1c277%7C1%7C0%7C636525099150703187=9e30o6ffwiJrOFQm%2FXcta59F2vhGfJGKqr6wViqmQII%3D=0> > > For help, send mail to the list administrators: > Scott Douglas <sdoug...@ieee.org> > Mike Cantwell <mcantw...@ieee.org> > > For policy questions, send mail to: > Jim Bacher <j.bac...@ieee.org> > David Heald <dhe...@gmail.com> > -- Douglas E Powell doug...@gmail.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/dougp01 - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to <emc-p...@ieee.org> All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-
Re: [PSES] IATA/ICAO and U 83.3 rules
1. IATA packing instructions 967 and 970. 2. UN category 3481 (may be other effective cats). 3. individual carrier regulations. Brian From: Doug Powell [mailto:doug...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2018 12:45 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [PSES] IATA/ICAO and U 83.3 rules Hi all, I am curious to know if anyone is familiar with IATA/ICAO and UN 83.3 rules as they apply to shipment of cell phones (and other products) with built in batteries. Many manufacturers generally separate the battery from the product or insulate one of the terminals to prevent inadvertent activation during shipment. With built in batteries this is not always possible. I don't believe the rules specifically say batteries must be removed or disconnected. So how, exactly is this handled by most people? Thanks all. Doug -- Douglas E Powell doug...@gmail.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/dougp01 Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas <sdoug...@ieee.org> Mike Cantwell <mcantw...@ieee.org> For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher <j.bac...@ieee.org> David Heald <dhe...@gmail.com> - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to <emc-p...@ieee.org> All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas <sdoug...@ieee.org> Mike Cantwell <mcantw...@ieee.org> For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: <j.bac...@ieee.org> David Heald: <dhe...@gmail.com>
Re: [PSES] IATA/ICAO and U 83.3 rules
Hi Doug, IATA has information that will help also. The 2017 lithium battery guidance doc can be found here <http://www.iata.org/whatwedo/cargo/dgr/Documents/lithium-battery-guidance-document-2017-en.pdf>. This is not the latest version as of Jan. 1st, however. You can find some relevant up to date info in a list of changes to the actual Dangerous Goods Regulations here <http://www.iata.org/whatwedo/cargo/dgr/Documents/dgr59-addendum1-en.pdf> and an article here <http://airlines.iata.org/news/lithium-battery-limits-included-in-dgr-revisions?_ga=2.20293624.1502185542.1516916140-483467877.1512603758>. If you want the actual guidelines from IATA for 2018, you have to purchase <http://www.iata.org/publications/store/Pages/lithium-battery-shipping-guidelines.aspx> . On Thu, Jan 25, 2018 at 1:09 PM, Ted Eckert < 07cf6ebeab9d-dmarc-requ...@ieee.org> wrote: > Hello Doug, > > > > Go to the following website and download the “Shipping lithium batteries – > documentation requirements” file. > > http://www.fedex.com/id/tools/lithium.html > > > > It has a flow chart showing the UN shipping requirements for batteries > packaged within products. The batteries will need UN 38.3 testing, but > shipping batteries in products is fairly simple after that. > > > > Ted Eckert > > Microsoft Corporation > > > > The opinions expressed are my own and do not necessarily reflect those of > my employer. > > > > *From:* Doug Powell [mailto:doug...@gmail.com] > *Sent:* Thursday, January 25, 2018 12:45 PM > *To:* EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG > *Subject:* [PSES] IATA/ICAO and U 83.3 rules > > > > Hi all, > > > > I am curious to know if anyone is familiar with IATA/ICAO and UN 83.3 > rules as they apply to shipment of cell phones (and other products) with > built in batteries. Many manufacturers generally separate the battery from > the product or insulate one of the terminals to prevent inadvertent > activation during shipment. With built in batteries this is not always > possible. I don't believe the rules specifically say batteries must be > removed or disconnected. So how, exactly is this handled by most people? > > > > Thanks all. Doug > > > > -- Hel > > > > Douglas E Powell > > doug...@gmail.com > http://www.linkedin.com/in/dougp01 > <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.linkedin.com%2Fin%2Fdougp01=02%7C01%7Cted.eckert%40microsoft.com%7C5bdc0ee927cf4ff52a5b08d56434886d%7Cee3303d7fb734b0c8589bcd847f1c277%7C1%7C0%7C636525099150693182=uMrSQEcnVpM%2FCQJUKkhf7ERMyspiL%2FQlU5kjFSt13pk%3D=0> > > - > > > This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc > discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to < > emc-p...@ieee.org> > > All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: > http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html > <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ieee-pses.org%2Femc-pstc.html=02%7C01%7Cted.eckert%40microsoft.com%7C5bdc0ee927cf4ff52a5b08d56434886d%7Cee3303d7fb734b0c8589bcd847f1c277%7C1%7C0%7C636525099150693182=cI6T1K5Aj%2FJNVMwVILD2mCK%2B%2B65HhAdGTEce9Fm33GQ%3D=0> > > Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at > http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ > <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fproduct-compliance.oc.ieee.org%2F=02%7C01%7Cted.eckert%40microsoft.com%7C5bdc0ee927cf4ff52a5b08d56434886d%7Cee3303d7fb734b0c8589bcd847f1c277%7C1%7C0%7C636525099150693182=jX0wTTG6W3zwhJwvredHD3RBP5NxzzaPwajFD6JdSL0%3D=0> > can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. > > Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ > <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ieee-pses.org%2F=02%7C01%7Cted.eckert%40microsoft.com%7C5bdc0ee927cf4ff52a5b08d56434886d%7Cee3303d7fb734b0c8589bcd847f1c277%7C1%7C0%7C636525099150703187=YcCqpzjMACh1Hk%2BpGfVnoEMMhxswm3ee9wDdIEDHfFQ%3D=0> > Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to > unsubscribe) > <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ieee-pses.org%2Flist.html=02%7C01%7Cted.eckert%40microsoft.com%7C5bdc0ee927cf4ff52a5b08d56434886d%7Cee3303d7fb734b0c8589bcd847f1c277%7C1%7C0%7C636525099150703187=fa6qa9GK11ESMI%2B0jEDC3BTsAhmcyT6ql1u3%2FQcAsIw%3D=0> > List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html > <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ieee-pses.org%2Flistrules.html=02%7C01%7Cted.eckert%40microsoft.com%7C5bdc0ee927cf4ff52a5b08d56434886d%7Cee3303d7fb734b0c
Re: [PSES] IATA/ICAO and U 83.3 rules
Hello Doug, Go to the following website and download the “Shipping lithium batteries – documentation requirements” file. http://www.fedex.com/id/tools/lithium.html It has a flow chart showing the UN shipping requirements for batteries packaged within products. The batteries will need UN 38.3 testing, but shipping batteries in products is fairly simple after that. Ted Eckert Microsoft Corporation The opinions expressed are my own and do not necessarily reflect those of my employer. From: Doug Powell [mailto:doug...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2018 12:45 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [PSES] IATA/ICAO and U 83.3 rules Hi all, I am curious to know if anyone is familiar with IATA/ICAO and UN 83.3 rules as they apply to shipment of cell phones (and other products) with built in batteries. Many manufacturers generally separate the battery from the product or insulate one of the terminals to prevent inadvertent activation during shipment. With built in batteries this is not always possible. I don't believe the rules specifically say batteries must be removed or disconnected. So how, exactly is this handled by most people? Thanks all. Doug -- Hel Douglas E Powell doug...@gmail.com<mailto:doug...@gmail.com> http://www.linkedin.com/in/dougp01<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.linkedin.com%2Fin%2Fdougp01=02%7C01%7Cted.eckert%40microsoft.com%7C5bdc0ee927cf4ff52a5b08d56434886d%7Cee3303d7fb734b0c8589bcd847f1c277%7C1%7C0%7C636525099150693182=uMrSQEcnVpM%2FCQJUKkhf7ERMyspiL%2FQlU5kjFSt13pk%3D=0> - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to <emc-p...@ieee.org<mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org>> All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ieee-pses.org%2Femc-pstc.html=02%7C01%7Cted.eckert%40microsoft.com%7C5bdc0ee927cf4ff52a5b08d56434886d%7Cee3303d7fb734b0c8589bcd847f1c277%7C1%7C0%7C636525099150693182=cI6T1K5Aj%2FJNVMwVILD2mCK%2B%2B65HhAdGTEce9Fm33GQ%3D=0> Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fproduct-compliance.oc.ieee.org%2F=02%7C01%7Cted.eckert%40microsoft.com%7C5bdc0ee927cf4ff52a5b08d56434886d%7Cee3303d7fb734b0c8589bcd847f1c277%7C1%7C0%7C636525099150693182=jX0wTTG6W3zwhJwvredHD3RBP5NxzzaPwajFD6JdSL0%3D=0> can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ieee-pses.org%2F=02%7C01%7Cted.eckert%40microsoft.com%7C5bdc0ee927cf4ff52a5b08d56434886d%7Cee3303d7fb734b0c8589bcd847f1c277%7C1%7C0%7C636525099150703187=YcCqpzjMACh1Hk%2BpGfVnoEMMhxswm3ee9wDdIEDHfFQ%3D=0> Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe)<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ieee-pses.org%2Flist.html=02%7C01%7Cted.eckert%40microsoft.com%7C5bdc0ee927cf4ff52a5b08d56434886d%7Cee3303d7fb734b0c8589bcd847f1c277%7C1%7C0%7C636525099150703187=fa6qa9GK11ESMI%2B0jEDC3BTsAhmcyT6ql1u3%2FQcAsIw%3D=0> List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ieee-pses.org%2Flistrules.html=02%7C01%7Cted.eckert%40microsoft.com%7C5bdc0ee927cf4ff52a5b08d56434886d%7Cee3303d7fb734b0c8589bcd847f1c277%7C1%7C0%7C636525099150703187=9e30o6ffwiJrOFQm%2FXcta59F2vhGfJGKqr6wViqmQII%3D=0> For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas <sdoug...@ieee.org<mailto:sdoug...@ieee.org>> Mike Cantwell <mcantw...@ieee.org<mailto:mcantw...@ieee.org>> For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher <j.bac...@ieee.org<mailto:j.bac...@ieee.org>> David Heald <dhe...@gmail.com<mailto:dhe...@gmail.com>> - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to <emc-p...@ieee.org> All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas <sdoug...@ieee.org> Mike Cantwell <mcantw...@ieee.org> For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: <j.bac...@ieee.org> David Heald: <dhe...@gmail.com>
Re: [PSES] IATA/ICAO and U 83.3 rules
Hi Doug; I believe UN 83.3 is a test specification and doesn't prescribe rules about shipment. I assume the airlines don't really care about inadvertent activation (assuming the heat generated will be reasonably low and no active cooling is required) but they would just insist that the batteries have a low SoC (State of Charge) ie: <30%. This is why many devices have a "fully charge before first use" statement in the manual. However, you might find it interesting that the new (in 2016) IATA rules prohibiting Li-ion batteries as cargo on passenger flights *specifically exempted* batteries contained within or packed with equipment (even as cargo - in other words, not just the passengers' personal cellphone and laptop batteries...) -Ken A On Thu, Jan 25, 2018 at 3:44 PM, Doug Powell <doug...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi all, > > I am curious to know if anyone is familiar with IATA/ICAO and UN 83.3 > rules as they apply to shipment of cell phones (and other products) with > built in batteries. Many manufacturers generally separate the battery from > the product or insulate one of the terminals to prevent inadvertent > activation during shipment. With built in batteries this is not always > possible. I don't believe the rules specifically say batteries must be > removed or disconnected. So how, exactly is this handled by most people? > > Thanks all. Doug > > -- > > Douglas E Powell > > doug...@gmail.com > http://www.linkedin.com/in/dougp01 > - > > > This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc > discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to > emc-p...@ieee.org > > All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: > http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html > > Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at > http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in > well-used formats), large files, etc. > > Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ > Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to > unsubscribe) <http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html> > List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html > > For help, send mail to the list administrators: > Scott Douglas sdoug...@ieee.org > Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org > > For policy questions, send mail to: > Jim Bacher j.bac...@ieee.org > David Heald dhe...@gmail.com > - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to <emc-p...@ieee.org> All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas <sdoug...@ieee.org> Mike Cantwell <mcantw...@ieee.org> For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: <j.bac...@ieee.org> David Heald: <dhe...@gmail.com>
[PSES] IATA/ICAO and U 83.3 rules
Hi all, I am curious to know if anyone is familiar with IATA/ICAO and UN 83.3 rules as they apply to shipment of cell phones (and other products) with built in batteries. Many manufacturers generally separate the battery from the product or insulate one of the terminals to prevent inadvertent activation during shipment. With built in batteries this is not always possible. I don't believe the rules specifically say batteries must be removed or disconnected. So how, exactly is this handled by most people? Thanks all. Doug -- Douglas E Powell doug...@gmail.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/dougp01 - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to <emc-p...@ieee.org> All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas <sdoug...@ieee.org> Mike Cantwell <mcantw...@ieee.org> For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: <j.bac...@ieee.org> David Heald: <dhe...@gmail.com>
[PSES] IATA regs for carriage of lithium batteries
Does anyone have a copy of the 2012 version for the IATA regs/guide for the carriage of lithium batteries by air, which they could e-mail me please? I've been trying to download it from the IATA site but it seems to have crashed, and I need a copy for Monday morning if at all possible. Nick. - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
Re: [PSES] IATA regs for carriage of lithium batteries
Thanks to those who replied. I now have what I need. Regards Nick. On 31 Mar 2012, at 11:43, Nick Williams wrote: Does anyone have a copy of the 2012 version for the IATA regs/guide for the carriage of lithium batteries by air, which they could e-mail me please? I've been trying to download it from the IATA site but it seems to have crashed, and I need a copy for Monday morning if at all possible. Nick. - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@radiusnorth.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com
change in IATA rules regarding magnetized material
I have heard that the IATA (International Air Transport Association) rules for determining if materials are “magnetized” and hence must be air shipped as hazardous materials are undergoing a change effective January 1, 2011. The rumor is that the change will relax the requirement and maybe shipments of electronics that were considered magnetized will no longer be considered magnetized, Does anyone know the details of this change and point me to some documentation. Thanks, Jim __ James L. Knighten, Ph.D. EMC Engineer Teradata Corporation 17095 Via Del Campo San Diego, CA 92127 858-485-2537 – phone 858-485-3788 – fax (unattended) - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc Graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. can be posted to that URL. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@socal.rr.com Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald dhe...@gmail.com
RE: IATA Regulations
I'm a strong proponent of IFR (I Fly Roads). I-70 across Colorado and Kansas is one heck of a directional indicator! Brent DeWitt Hewlett-Packard Vancouver, WA From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Price, Ed Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2007 7:47 PM To: ieee Subject: RE: IATA Regulations From: Fred Townsend [mailto:f...@dctolight.net] Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2007 4:45 PM To: Pettit, Ghery Cc: peter_kelle...@dell.com; j...@jmwa.demon.co.uk; emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: Re: IATA Regulations My truck's compass failed. No doubt the unintended consequences of installing that magnetic antenna mount. Murphy! I suggest two other unofficial anti-Murphy flight instruments: 1. Seat of pants 2. Wet finger in the air de AE6QL Doesn't IFR mean I Follow Railroads? Ed Price ed.pr...@cubic.com mailto:ed.pr...@cubic.com NARTE Certified EMC Engineer Technician Electromagnetic Compatibility Lab Cubic Defense Applications San Diego, CA USA 858-505-2780 (Voice) 858-505-1583 (FAX) Military Avionics EMC Is Our Specialty - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald:emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc __ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email __
RE: IATA Regulations
Aircraft crashes area caused by simultaneous loss of: airspeed, altitude, and ideas. From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of ted.eck...@apcc.com Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 5:05 AM To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: RE: IATA Regulations Smithsonian Air and Space magazine had a recent short piece on Wrong Way Corrigan and his earth inductor compass use. http://airspacemag.com/issues/2007/february-march/flights_and_fancy.php In 2001, the PBS program Nova covered the story of a 1947 airliner that crashed into the Andes. Airspeed had been commonly used for navigation up to that point. However, this plane was flying over the mountains and ran into the jet stream. The jet stream was not well known or understood at the time. The additional head wind significantly reduced the ground speed without reducing the air speed. As a result, the pilots started their descent much too soon and crashed. http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/vanished/ Ted Eckert American Power Conversion Corporation The items contained in this e-mail reflect the personal opinions of the writer and are only provided for the assistance of the reader. The writer is not speaking in an official capacity for APC nor representing APC's official position on any matter. Pettit, Ghery ghery.pettit@int el.com To Sent by: peter_kelle...@dell.com, emc-p...@ieee.org j...@jmwa.demon.co.uk, emc-p...@ieee.org cc 02/13/2007 04:50 PM Subject RE: IATA Regulations 14 CFR 91.205(b) lists the required equipment on a certificated aircraft when flying under VFR (Visual Flight Rules). One could argue that an altimeter is a piece of navigation equipment, but the only other required navigation device is a Magnetic direction indicator. Sounds like a compass to me. Before anyone jumps on the airspeed indicator bandwagon, remember, it reads indicated, not true, and it is speed through the air, not over the ground. Zero wind, OK. Anything else, who knows? Keeping your flight log up to date? For those of you who aren't pilots, I'm sorry. For those who are, isn't this fun? Oh, and Julie Boatman had the compass fail in AOPA's Cutlass while bringing it from the purchase location to start the restoration for next year's give-away. So they aren't completely fail proof. But they are more reliable than any gyro. Fly safe. Ghery From: peter_kelle...@dell.com [mailto:peter_kelle...@dell.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2007 2:35 PM To: Pettit, Ghery; j...@jmwa.demon.co.uk; emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: RE: IATA Regulations In fact, it's not just a fall back instrument in the world of general aviation. There are many aircraft flying today where the lowly compass is the primary (or even the only) navigational instrument. It has its idiosyncrasies but once understood, its reliability and predicatability remain unmatched by more advanced instrumentation. I recall hearing an instructor once dismissing a gyroscopic heading indicator as a mere 'luxury'. Still...a sneaky glance at the handheld GPS never hurts. Regards Peter. From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Pettit, Ghery Sent: 13 February 2007 17:28 To: John Woodgate; emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: RE: IATA Regulations No, but that old magnetic compass is still the fall back instrument for navigation. In fact, I set the gyro compass (heading indicator) to the magnetic compass every 15 minutes or so on the planes I fly. Some more modern HIs automatically correct using a magnetic sensor, but the idea is the same. Don't mess with the magnetic compass, you really want to be able to depend on it. Ghery S. Pettit From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of John Woodgate Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 10:31 AM To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: Re: IATA Regulations In message 45d087ad.9090...@sun.com, dated Mon, 12 Feb 2007, Monrad Monsen monrad.mon...@sun.com writes In fact, 49CFR only has the forbidden magnetic levels in the regulations (deviate the compass by 2.0 degrees at a distance of 15 feet). Do modern aircraft still rely on a lodestone, then? (;-) -- OOO - Own Opinions Only. Try www.jmwa.demon.co.uk and www.isce.org.uk There are benefits from being irrational - just ask the square root of 2. John Woodgate, J M Woodgate and Associates, Rayleigh, Essex UK - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw
RE: IATA Regulations
Smithsonian Air and Space magazine had a recent short piece on Wrong Way Corrigan and his earth inductor compass use. http://airspacemag.com/issues/2007/february-march/flights_and_fancy.php In 2001, the PBS program Nova covered the story of a 1947 airliner that crashed into the Andes. Airspeed had been commonly used for navigation up to that point. However, this plane was flying over the mountains and ran into the jet stream. The jet stream was not well known or understood at the time. The additional head wind significantly reduced the ground speed without reducing the air speed. As a result, the pilots started their descent much too soon and crashed. http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/vanished/ Ted Eckert American Power Conversion Corporation The items contained in this e-mail reflect the personal opinions of the writer and are only provided for the assistance of the reader. The writer is not speaking in an official capacity for APC nor representing APC's official position on any matter. Pettit, Ghery ghery.pettit@int el.comTo Sent by: peter_kelle...@dell.com, emc-p...@ieee.org j...@jmwa.demon.co.uk, emc-p...@ieee.org cc 02/13/2007 04:50 PMSubject RE: IATA Regulations 14 CFR 91.205(b) lists the required equipment on a certificated aircraft when flying under VFR (Visual Flight Rules). One could argue that an altimeter is a piece of navigation equipment, but the only other required navigation device is a Magnetic direction indicator. Sounds like a compass to me. Before anyone jumps on the airspeed indicator bandwagon, remember, it reads indicated, not true, and it is speed through the air, not over the ground. Zero wind, OK. Anything else, who knows? Keeping your flight log up to date? For those of you who aren't pilots, I'm sorry. For those who are, isn't this fun? Oh, and Julie Boatman had the compass fail in AOPA's Cutlass while bringing it from the purchase location to start the restoration for next year's give-away. So they aren't completely fail proof. But they are more reliable than any gyro. Fly safe. Ghery From: peter_kelle...@dell.com [mailto:peter_kelle...@dell.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2007 2:35 PM To: Pettit, Ghery; j...@jmwa.demon.co.uk; emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: RE: IATA Regulations In fact, it's not just a fall back instrument in the world of general aviation. There are many aircraft flying today where the lowly compass is the primary (or even the only) navigational instrument. It has its idiosyncrasies but once understood, its reliability and predicatability remain unmatched by more advanced instrumentation. I recall hearing an instructor once dismissing a gyroscopic heading indicator as a mere 'luxury'. Still...a sneaky glance at the handheld GPS never hurts. Regards Peter. From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Pettit, Ghery Sent: 13 February 2007 17:28 To: John Woodgate; emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: RE: IATA Regulations No, but that old magnetic compass is still the fall back instrument for navigation. In fact, I set the gyro compass (heading indicator) to the magnetic compass every 15 minutes or so on the planes I fly. Some more modern HIs automatically correct using a magnetic sensor, but the idea is the same. Don't mess with the magnetic compass, you really want to be able to depend on it. Ghery S. Pettit From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of John Woodgate Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 10:31 AM To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: Re: IATA Regulations In message 45d087ad.9090...@sun.com, dated Mon, 12 Feb 2007, Monrad Monsen monrad.mon...@sun.com writes In fact, 49CFR only has the forbidden magnetic levels in the regulations (deviate the compass by 2.0 degrees at a distance of 15 feet). Do modern aircraft still rely on a lodestone, then? (;-) -- OOO - Own Opinions Only. Try www.jmwa.demon.co.uk and www.isce.org.uk
RE: IATA Regulations
_ From: Fred Townsend [mailto:f...@dctolight.net] Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2007 4:45 PM To: Pettit, Ghery Cc: peter_kelle...@dell.com; j...@jmwa.demon.co.uk; emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: Re: IATA Regulations My truck's compass failed. No doubt the unintended consequences of installing that magnetic antenna mount. Murphy! I suggest two other unofficial anti-Murphy flight instruments: 1. Seat of pants 2. Wet finger in the air de AE6QL Doesn't IFR mean I Follow Railroads? Ed Price mailto:ed.pr...@cubic.com ed.pr...@cubic.com NARTE Certified EMC Engineer Technician Electromagnetic Compatibility Lab Cubic Defense Applications San Diego, CA USA 858-505-2780 (Voice) 858-505-1583 (FAX) Military Avionics EMC Is Our Specialty __ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email __ - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
Re: IATA Regulations
My truck's compass failed. No doubt the unintended consequences of installing that magnetic antenna mount. Murphy! I suggest two other unofficial anti-Murphy flight instruments: 1. Seat of pants 2. Wet finger in the air de AE6QL Pettit, Ghery wrote: 14 CFR 91.205(b) lists the required equipment on a certificated aircraft when flying under VFR (Visual Flight Rules). One could argue that an altimeter is a piece of navigation equipment, but the only other required navigation device is a Magnetic direction indicator. Sounds like a compass to me. Before anyone jumps on the airspeed indicator bandwagon, remember, it reads indicated, not true, and it is speed through the air, not over the ground. Zero wind, OK. Anything else, who knows? Keeping your flight log up to date? For those of you who aren't pilots, I'm sorry. For those who are, isn't this fun? Oh, and Julie Boatman had the compass fail in AOPA's Cutlass while bringing it from the purchase location to start the restoration for next year's give-away. So they aren't completely fail proof. But they are more reliable than any gyro. Fly safe. Ghery From: peter_kelle...@dell.com [mailto:peter_kelle...@dell.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2007 2:35 PM To: Pettit, Ghery; j...@jmwa.demon.co.uk; emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: RE: IATA Regulations In fact, it's not just a fall back instrument in the world of general aviation. There are many aircraft flying today where the lowly compass is the primary (or even the only) navigational instrument. It has its idiosyncrasies but once understood, its reliability and predicatability remain unmatched by more advanced instrumentation. I recall hearing an instructor once dismissing a gyroscopic heading indicator as a mere 'luxury'. Still...a sneaky glance at the handheld GPS never hurts. Regards Peter. From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Pettit, Ghery Sent: 13 February 2007 17:28 To: John Woodgate; emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: RE: IATA Regulations No, but that old magnetic compass is still the fall back instrument for navigation. In fact, I set the gyro compass (heading indicator) to the magnetic compass every 15 minutes or so on the planes I fly. Some more modern HIs automatically correct using a magnetic sensor, but the idea is the same. Don't mess with the magnetic compass, you really want to be able to depend on it. Ghery S. Pettit From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of John Woodgate Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 10:31 AM To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: Re: IATA Regulations In message mailto:45d087ad.9090...@sun.com 45d087ad.9090...@sun.com, dated Mon, 12 Feb 2007, Monrad Monsen mailto:monrad.mon...@sun.com monrad.mon...@sun.com writes In fact, 49CFR only has the forbidden magnetic levels in the regulations (deviate the compass by 2.0 degrees at a distance of 15 feet). Do modern aircraft still rely on a lodestone, then? (;-) -- OOO - Own Opinions Only. Try www.jmwa.demon.co.uk and www.isce.org.uk There are benefits from being irrational - just ask the square root of 2. John Woodgate, J M Woodgate and Associates, Rayleigh, Essex UK - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald:emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc - __ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email __ - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http
RE: IATA Regulations
14 CFR 91.205(b) lists the required equipment on a certificated aircraft when flying under VFR (Visual Flight Rules). One could argue that an altimeter is a piece of navigation equipment, but the only other required navigation device is a Magnetic direction indicator. Sounds like a compass to me. Before anyone jumps on the airspeed indicator bandwagon, remember, it reads indicated, not true, and it is speed through the air, not over the ground. Zero wind, OK. Anything else, who knows? Keeping your flight log up to date? For those of you who aren't pilots, I'm sorry. For those who are, isn't this fun? Oh, and Julie Boatman had the compass fail in AOPA's Cutlass while bringing it from the purchase location to start the restoration for next year's give-away. So they aren't completely fail proof. But they are more reliable than any gyro. Fly safe. Ghery From: peter_kelle...@dell.com [mailto:peter_kelle...@dell.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2007 2:35 PM To: Pettit, Ghery; j...@jmwa.demon.co.uk; emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: RE: IATA Regulations In fact, it's not just a fall back instrument in the world of general aviation. There are many aircraft flying today where the lowly compass is the primary (or even the only) navigational instrument. It has its idiosyncrasies but once understood, its reliability and predicatability remain unmatched by more advanced instrumentation. I recall hearing an instructor once dismissing a gyroscopic heading indicator as a mere 'luxury'. Still...a sneaky glance at the handheld GPS never hurts. Regards Peter. From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Pettit, Ghery Sent: 13 February 2007 17:28 To: John Woodgate; emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: RE: IATA Regulations No, but that old magnetic compass is still the fall back instrument for navigation. In fact, I set the gyro compass (heading indicator) to the magnetic compass every 15 minutes or so on the planes I fly. Some more modern HIs automatically correct using a magnetic sensor, but the idea is the same. Don't mess with the magnetic compass, you really want to be able to depend on it. Ghery S. Pettit From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of John Woodgate Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 10:31 AM To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: Re: IATA Regulations In message 45d087ad.9090...@sun.com, dated Mon, 12 Feb 2007, Monrad Monsen monrad.mon...@sun.com writes In fact, 49CFR only has the forbidden magnetic levels in the regulations (deviate the compass by 2.0 degrees at a distance of 15 feet). Do modern aircraft still rely on a lodestone, then? (;-) -- OOO - Own Opinions Only. Try www.jmwa.demon.co.uk and www.isce.org.uk There are benefits from being irrational - just ask the square root of 2. John Woodgate, J M Woodgate and Associates, Rayleigh, Essex UK - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald:emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald:emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald:emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
RE: IATA Regulations
In fact, it's not just a fall back instrument in the world of general aviation. There are many aircraft flying today where the lowly compass is the primary (or even the only) navigational instrument. It has its idiosyncrasies but once understood, its reliability and predicatability remain unmatched by more advanced instrumentation. I recall hearing an instructor once dismissing a gyroscopic heading indicator as a mere 'luxury'. Still...a sneaky glance at the handheld GPS never hurts. Regards Peter. From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Pettit, Ghery Sent: 13 February 2007 17:28 To: John Woodgate; emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: RE: IATA Regulations No, but that old magnetic compass is still the fall back instrument for navigation. In fact, I set the gyro compass (heading indicator) to the magnetic compass every 15 minutes or so on the planes I fly. Some more modern HIs automatically correct using a magnetic sensor, but the idea is the same. Don't mess with the magnetic compass, you really want to be able to depend on it. Ghery S. Pettit From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of John Woodgate Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 10:31 AM To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: Re: IATA Regulations In message 45d087ad.9090...@sun.com, dated Mon, 12 Feb 2007, Monrad Monsen monrad.mon...@sun.com writes In fact, 49CFR only has the forbidden magnetic levels in the regulations (deviate the compass by 2.0 degrees at a distance of 15 feet). Do modern aircraft still rely on a lodestone, then? (;-) -- OOO - Own Opinions Only. Try www.jmwa.demon.co.uk and www.isce.org.uk There are benefits from being irrational - just ask the square root of 2. John Woodgate, J M Woodgate and Associates, Rayleigh, Essex UK - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald:emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald:emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald:emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc __ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email __
RE: IATA Regulations
No, but that old magnetic compass is still the fall back instrument for navigation. In fact, I set the gyro compass (heading indicator) to the magnetic compass every 15 minutes or so on the planes I fly. Some more modern HIs automatically correct using a magnetic sensor, but the idea is the same. Don't mess with the magnetic compass, you really want to be able to depend on it. Ghery S. Pettit From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of John Woodgate Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 10:31 AM To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: Re: IATA Regulations In message 45d087ad.9090...@sun.com, dated Mon, 12 Feb 2007, Monrad Monsen monrad.mon...@sun.com writes In fact, 49CFR only has the forbidden magnetic levels in the regulations (deviate the compass by 2.0 degrees at a distance of 15 feet). Do modern aircraft still rely on a lodestone, then? (;-) -- OOO - Own Opinions Only. Try www.jmwa.demon.co.uk and www.isce.org.uk There are benefits from being irrational - just ask the square root of 2. John Woodgate, J M Woodgate and Associates, Rayleigh, Essex UK - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald:emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald:emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc __ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email __
Re: IATA Regulations
In message 45d087ad.9090...@sun.com, dated Mon, 12 Feb 2007, Monrad Monsen monrad.mon...@sun.com writes In fact, 49CFR only has the forbidden magnetic levels in the regulations (deviate the compass by 2.0 degrees at a distance of 15 feet). Do modern aircraft still rely on a lodestone, then? (;-) -- OOO - Own Opinions Only. Try www.jmwa.demon.co.uk and www.isce.org.uk There are benefits from being irrational - just ask the square root of 2. John Woodgate, J M Woodgate and Associates, Rayleigh, Essex UK - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald:emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc __ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email __
RE: IATA Regulations
Hello Don, There is an IATA 902 requirement and a outdated CFR49 requirement. CFR49 removed the requirement about 1984. What are you referencing? Regards, Ken From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of UMBDENSTOCK, DON Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2006 12:59 PM To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: IATA Regulations A magnetic product within certain field strength bounds requires a packaging label indicating contents to be magnetic. I have found a reference that indicates an additional air eligible labeling requirement, and another that indicates this is not required. Anyone familiar with labeling requirements for shipping of magnetic devices? Don Umbdenstock Manager Compliance Engineering Tyco Safety Products / Sensormatic 6600 Congress Avenue Boca Raton, FL 33487 USA Phone: 561.912.6440 djumbdenst...@tycoint.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald:emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald:emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc __ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email __
IATA Regulations
A magnetic product within certain field strength bounds requires a packaging label indicating contents to be magnetic. I have found a reference that indicates an additional air eligible labeling requirement, and another that indicates this is not required. Anyone familiar with labeling requirements for shipping of magnetic devices? Don Umbdenstock Manager Compliance Engineering Tyco Safety Products / Sensormatic 6600 Congress Avenue Boca Raton, FL 33487 USA Phone: 561.912.6440 djumbdenst...@tycoint.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald:emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc __ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email __
RE: IATA 902 Magnetic Testing
Bud I routinely test all our products to the IATA requirements. There are no exemptions the regulations apply to all goods put onto an aircraft. In general I find products which have welded steel are going to produce a magnetic field. With the field most concentrated at the weld points. If it is a rack, it almost always needs to be labelled. Aluminium bodies and riveted construction tends not to be too magnetic and can often go unlabelled. Although on occasion have found fields coming from large sheets of rolled steel. Basically if the product has a lot of ferromagnetic material, it can become magnetised during construction. Also watch out for large coils and transformers, magnetising the surrounding materials. If you are having trouble locating information on IATA testing, I suggest you try the FAA. They enforce the IATA regs within US airspace. -Original Message- From: Pittman, Bud [mailto:bpitt...@lsil.com] Sent: Thu 18/04/2002 20:41 To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Cc: Subject: IATA 902 Magnetic Testing Although this is not an EMC standard it is related. My lab has been asked to test our products to the magnetic standards of IATA Packing Instruction 902. This test determines the ability of a device to change a compass reading. I have the regulations and know how to do the test, but do not do it routinely. Products that fail this test must be labeled and additional shipping charges are imposed. I know that one of our products fails and we are labeling it. Fines for non-compliance are substantial, yet I am having a hard time finding anyone who knows about or complies with this standard. My questions are: Does anyone else perform this test, or have it performed on their products? What kind of results are you getting depending upon product size, shape, metal content? Are there exceptions or conditions that would exclude product families from this regulation. Any help or discussion would be appreciated. Bud Pittman Compliance Engineer LSI Logic Storage Systems, Inc. - Wichita KS bud.pitt...@lsil.com Tel 316-636-8718 Fax 316-636-8321 --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list
IATA 902 Magnetic Testing
Although this is not an EMC standard it is related. My lab has been asked to test our products to the magnetic standards of IATA Packing Instruction 902. This test determines the ability of a device to change a compass reading. I have the regulations and know how to do the test, but do not do it routinely. Products that fail this test must be labeled and additional shipping charges are imposed. I know that one of our products fails and we are labeling it. Fines for non-compliance are substantial, yet I am having a hard time finding anyone who knows about or complies with this standard. My questions are: Does anyone else perform this test, or have it performed on their products? What kind of results are you getting depending upon product size, shape, metal content? Are there exceptions or conditions that would exclude product families from this regulation. Any help or discussion would be appreciated. Bud Pittman Compliance Engineer LSI Logic Storage Systems, Inc. - Wichita KS bud.pitt...@lsil.com Tel 316-636-8718 Fax 316-636-8321
Re: IATA
John You are absolutely right, the magnetic field limits are all about cargo interfering with a planes navigation systems, and nothing to do with the effect on human's. To carry Hazardous material, a cargo plane must be licensed and has an upper limit on how much mass it can carry. Very few combined passenger and cargo planes are licensed to carry Hazardous material. This can make finding an available plane to ship your goods quite tricky sometimes ! John Woodgate wrote: I read in !emc-pstc that Robert Macy m...@california.com wrote (in 001001c17ce1$8f8309e0$0ee10...@robert.macy.california.com) about 'IATA', on Tue, 4 Dec 2001: It is also interesting that 2mG limit closely approximates the emotional one established through epidemiological studies. I would think that the odd distance, 2.1 m, shows that the limit is related to effects on aircraft instruments rather than anything else. -- Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only. http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk After swimming across the Hellespont, I felt like a Hero. --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old messages are imported into the new server. -- Andrew Carson - Product Safety Engineer, Xyratex, UK Phone: +44 (0)23 9249 6855 Fax: +44 (0)23 9249 6014 --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old messages are imported into the new server.
Re: IATA
I read in !emc-pstc that Robert Macy m...@california.com wrote (in 001001c17ce1$8f8309e0$0ee10...@robert.macy.california.com) about 'IATA', on Tue, 4 Dec 2001: It is also interesting that 2mG limit closely approximates the emotional one established through epidemiological studies. I would think that the odd distance, 2.1 m, shows that the limit is related to effects on aircraft instruments rather than anything else. -- Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only. http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk After swimming across the Hellespont, I felt like a Hero. --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old messages are imported into the new server.
Re: IATA/airfreight and magnetic fields
When you do the measurements it is often very surprising, as too what turns out ot be magnetic, and what is ok. Remember for far field measurements a magnetic field drops of at an inverse cube rate (approx.). So being very crude with the equations (as the physics often hurts my head), if you have a large powerful magnet of say, a 20 cm diameter. At 2.1m the field strength is already reduced to 1/9000th and at 4.6m to nearly 1/10th of the max field strength measured at the magnets face. Ted Rook wrote: JBL Professional Audio makes heavy duty loudspeaker drivers which feature the traditional big magnet at the back. These items are airfreighted all over the world daily. I recall seeing an airfreight label on the cartons which declared the contents to be 'magnetic'. The figure given in a recent post for maximum allowance, mG at meters distance, would be exceeded by these devices, I think. You could try the JBL website, their US headquarters is in Los Angeles CA, they are part of the Harman Audio group. Best Regards Ted Rook, Console Engineering, ext 4659 Please note our new location and phone numbers: Crest Audio Inc, 16-00 Pollitt Drive Fair Lawn, NJ 07410 USA 201 475 4600 telephone receptionist, 8.30 - 5 pm EST. 201 475 4659 direct line w/voice mail, 24 hrs. 201 475 4677 fax, 24 hrs. --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old messages are imported into the new server. -- Andrew Carson - Product Safety Engineer, Xyratex, UK Phone: +44 (0)23 9249 6855 Fax: +44 (0)23 9249 6014 --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old messages are imported into the new server.
Re: IATA
It is also interesting that 2mG limit closely approximates the emotional one established through epidemiological studies. Here in the Bay Area the field is around 50uT( 500mG ) It is my understanding that the magnetic field has been steadily declining. From the time of Christ until now it has dropped in half. And is evidently on a decline towards zero (reversing poles) The significance? I was told that every ice age was accompanied by a pole reversal (but not every pole reversal is accompanied by an ice age) - Robert - Robert A. Macy, PEm...@california.com 408 286 3985 fx 408 297 9121 AJM International Electronics Consultants 619 North First St, San Jose, CA 95112 -Original Message- From: Andrew Carson acar...@uk.xyratex.com To: WELLMAN,RON (A-PaloAlto,ex1) ron_well...@agilent.com Cc: 'richwo...@tycoint.com' richwo...@tycoint.com; emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org List-Post: emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org Date: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 1:39 AM Subject: Re: IATA You want Packing Instruction 902, within the section on Dangerous Goods. To summaries the limits are, 2mG at measurement distance of 2.1m - Non Magnetic Material 2mG at a measurement distance of 2.1m - Hazardous Magnetic Material, must be marked accordingly 5.25mG at a measurement distance of 4.6m - Can not be transported by aircraft. Not much when you think the Earths magnetic field is 450 to 550mG --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old messages are imported into the new server.
IATA/airfreight and magnetic fields
JBL Professional Audio makes heavy duty loudspeaker drivers which feature the traditional big magnet at the back. These items are airfreighted all over the world daily. I recall seeing an airfreight label on the cartons which declared the contents to be 'magnetic'. The figure given in a recent post for maximum allowance, mG at meters distance, would be exceeded by these devices, I think. You could try the JBL website, their US headquarters is in Los Angeles CA, they are part of the Harman Audio group. Best Regards Ted Rook, Console Engineering, ext 4659 Please note our new location and phone numbers: Crest Audio Inc, 16-00 Pollitt Drive Fair Lawn, NJ 07410 USA 201 475 4600 telephone receptionist, 8.30 - 5 pm EST. 201 475 4659 direct line w/voice mail, 24 hrs. 201 475 4677 fax, 24 hrs. --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old messages are imported into the new server.
Re: IATA
;) I was thinking about active circuitry.. I'll take my foot out of my mouth now.. At 14:42 04/12/01 +, you wrote: Eh, static magnetic field. The type to cause a permanent deflection on a navigation compass. You IATA test goods in there shipping packaging. Enci wrote: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org At 09:11 04/12/01 +, Andrew Carson wrote: You want Packing Instruction 902, within the section on Dangerous Goods. To summaries the limits are, 2mG at measurement distance of 2.1m - Non Magnetic Material 2mG at a measurement distance of 2.1m - Hazardous Magnetic Material, must be marked accordingly 5.25mG at a measurement distance of 4.6m - Can not be transported by aircraft. Not much when you think the Earths magnetic field is 450 to 550mG What about frequency? Enci -Original Thread- From: richwo...@tycoint.com [mailto:richwo...@tycoint.com] Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 8:19 AM To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: IATA I understand that there is an IATA standard that sets the magnetic field limit for a device being shipped in an aircraft. Can someone point me to a website that has this standard/limit? Richard Woods Sensormatic Electronics Tyco International --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old messages are imported into the new server. -- Andrew Carson - Product Safety Engineer, Xyratex, UK Phone: +44 (0)23 9249 6855 Fax: +44 (0)23 9249 6014 --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old messages are imported into the new server.
Re: IATA
Eh, static magnetic field. The type to cause a permanent deflection on a navigation compass. You IATA test goods in there shipping packaging. Enci wrote: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org At 09:11 04/12/01 +, Andrew Carson wrote: You want Packing Instruction 902, within the section on Dangerous Goods. To summaries the limits are, 2mG at measurement distance of 2.1m - Non Magnetic Material 2mG at a measurement distance of 2.1m - Hazardous Magnetic Material, must be marked accordingly 5.25mG at a measurement distance of 4.6m - Can not be transported by aircraft. Not much when you think the Earths magnetic field is 450 to 550mG What about frequency? Enci -Original Thread- From: richwo...@tycoint.com [mailto:richwo...@tycoint.com] Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 8:19 AM To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: IATA I understand that there is an IATA standard that sets the magnetic field limit for a device being shipped in an aircraft. Can someone point me to a website that has this standard/limit? Richard Woods Sensormatic Electronics Tyco International --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old messages are imported into the new server. -- Andrew Carson - Product Safety Engineer, Xyratex, UK Phone: +44 (0)23 9249 6855 Fax: +44 (0)23 9249 6014 --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old messages are imported into the new server.
Re: IATA
emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org At 09:11 04/12/01 +, Andrew Carson wrote: You want Packing Instruction 902, within the section on Dangerous Goods. To summaries the limits are, 2mG at measurement distance of 2.1m - Non Magnetic Material 2mG at a measurement distance of 2.1m - Hazardous Magnetic Material, must be marked accordingly 5.25mG at a measurement distance of 4.6m - Can not be transported by aircraft. Not much when you think the Earths magnetic field is 450 to 550mG What about frequency? Enci -Original Thread- From: richwo...@tycoint.com [mailto:richwo...@tycoint.com] Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 8:19 AM To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: IATA I understand that there is an IATA standard that sets the magnetic field limit for a device being shipped in an aircraft. Can someone point me to a website that has this standard/limit? Richard Woods Sensormatic Electronics Tyco International --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old messages are imported into the new server.
Re: IATA
You want Packing Instruction 902, within the section on Dangerous Goods. To summaries the limits are, 2mG at measurement distance of 2.1m - Non Magnetic Material 2mG at a measurement distance of 2.1m - Hazardous Magnetic Material, must be marked accordingly 5.25mG at a measurement distance of 4.6m - Can not be transported by aircraft. Not much when you think the Earths magnetic field is 450 to 550mG WELLMAN,RON (A-PaloAlto,ex1) wrote: http://www.iata.org/cargo/dg/ You want a copy of the Dangerous Goods Regulations. Regards, +=+ |Ronald R. Wellman|Voice : 408-345-8229 | |Agilent Technologies |FAX : 408-553-2412 | |5301 Stevens Creek Blvd.,|E-Mail: ron_well...@agilent.com| |Mailstop 54L-BB |WWW : http://www.agilent.com | |Santa Clara, California 95052 USA| | +=+ | Common sense is the collection of prejudices acquired by age | | eighteen. - Albert Einstein | +=+ -Original Message- From: richwo...@tycoint.com [mailto:richwo...@tycoint.com] Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 8:19 AM To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: IATA I understand that there is an IATA standard that sets the magnetic field limit for a device being shipped in an aircraft. Can someone point me to a website that has this standard/limit? Richard Woods Sensormatic Electronics Tyco International --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old messages are imported into the new server. --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old messages are imported into the new server. -- Andrew Carson - Product Safety Engineer, Xyratex, UK Phone: +44 (0)23 9249 6855 Fax: +44 (0)23 9249 6014 --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old messages are imported into the new server.
RE: IATA
http://www.iata.org/cargo/dg/ You want a copy of the Dangerous Goods Regulations. Regards, +=+ |Ronald R. Wellman|Voice : 408-345-8229 | |Agilent Technologies |FAX : 408-553-2412 | |5301 Stevens Creek Blvd.,|E-Mail: ron_well...@agilent.com| |Mailstop 54L-BB |WWW : http://www.agilent.com | |Santa Clara, California 95052 USA| | +=+ | Common sense is the collection of prejudices acquired by age | | eighteen. - Albert Einstein | +=+ -Original Message- From: richwo...@tycoint.com [mailto:richwo...@tycoint.com] Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 8:19 AM To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: IATA I understand that there is an IATA standard that sets the magnetic field limit for a device being shipped in an aircraft. Can someone point me to a website that has this standard/limit? Richard Woods Sensormatic Electronics Tyco International --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old messages are imported into the new server. --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old messages are imported into the new server.
IATA
I understand that there is an IATA standard that sets the magnetic field limit for a device being shipped in an aircraft. Can someone point me to a website that has this standard/limit? Richard Woods Sensormatic Electronics Tyco International --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old messages are imported into the new server.
