Re: [Emc-users] Emc-users Digest, Vol 18, Issue 31

2007-10-14 Thread John Thornton
Anders has a good write up on installing a jog wheel with axis selection and 
jog speed selection and description of the HAL changes.

http://www.anderswallin.net/2006/11/jogging-emc2/

John

On 13 Oct 2007 at 14:35, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 How would I configure HAL to allow this? I am using a HAL encoder and
 bringing the mpg A and B channels through the I/O board. Is it
 possible to change the axis selection in AXIS using the four position
 switch? I would also need to disable the axis selection from the
 remote switch when the focus is on the main control box.



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[Emc-users] Pluto Alternatives

2007-10-14 Thread Kirk Wallace
Apparently, Pluto is not available anymore. Are there any alternatives?
Are there firmware files available that would allow me to make my own?
Thanks.

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Re: [Emc-users] Pluto Alternatives

2007-10-14 Thread Sebastian Kuzminsky
Kirk Wallace [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Apparently, Pluto is not available anymore. Are there any alternatives?
 Are there firmware files available that would allow me to make my own?

The Pluto-P will apparently be available in December:

http://www.knjn.com/ShopBoards_Parallel.html


The interfaces supported by EMC are listed here:

http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?EMC2_Supported_Hardware


Looks like Pico Systems are the only parallel-port based alternative.
Then there are some PCI-based options, the MesaNet 5i20 comes highly
recommended but it's quite a bit more expensive at $200.


Am I the only one who wishes for a Pluto-P with screw-terminals on the
board instead of a ribbon-cable header?


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Re: [Emc-users] Pluto Alternatives

2007-10-14 Thread Gene Heskett
On Sunday 14 October 2007, Kirk Wallace wrote:
Apparently, Pluto is not available anymore. Are there any alternatives?
Are there firmware files available that would allow me to make my own?
Thanks.

I take it you are not referring to this link:
http://www.bentoni.com/PLUTO/
Which appears to be a web page monitor of some sort.

Now, this might be closer to what you are looking for:
http://www.knjn.com/board_plutos.html

Thanks to the controversy about whether pluto is a planet or not, that hit is 
36 pages down in the google search.

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Re: [Emc-users] Pluto Alternatives

2007-10-14 Thread Kirk Wallace
On Sun, 2007-10-14 at 14:55 -0400, Stephen Wille Padnos wrote:
 Hi Kirk.
 
 Mesa Electronics should be coming out with their 7I43 soon, which will 
 be a reasonable alternative.  It's listed as a USB-connected device, but 
 it will be USB and/or parallel.
... snip
 Of course if you can use a PCI card then a Mesa 5i20 or 5i22 would do 
 just fine also, though at significantly higher cost.
 
 - Steve

Thanks for the news. I'll check it out.
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[Emc-users] HNC Lathe Tuning

2007-10-14 Thread Kirk Wallace
In case anyone is interested, I have my latest tuning results at these
links:

http://www.wallacecompany.com/cnc_lathe/HNC/emc2/pid_x-1b.png

http://www.wallacecompany.com/cnc_lathe/HNC/emc2/pid_z-1b.png


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Re: [Emc-users] HNC Lathe Tuning

2007-10-14 Thread Chris Radek
On Sun, Oct 14, 2007 at 05:39:02PM -0700, Kirk Wallace wrote:
 In case anyone is interested, I have my latest tuning results at these
 links:
 
 http://www.wallacecompany.com/cnc_lathe/HNC/emc2/pid_x-1b.png
 
 http://www.wallacecompany.com/cnc_lathe/HNC/emc2/pid_z-1b.png

Much better!  You should be able to add some I now to get rid of the
steady state errors.

Chris

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[Emc-users] HNC Lathe Spindle Sync Motion

2007-10-14 Thread Kirk Wallace
Last week I made my first thread on my lathe. It didn't take long to get
good threads, but I wasn't happy with the PID tuning, so I have been
doing battle with that. After some improvement, I tried another thread
and got a pronounced surge motion during the threading passes. This
happened last week, but turned out to be an erratic spindle encoder
signal. I checked all of my encoders, which seem to be fine. Then I went
back through some of my known decent PID settings and got the same
surging. The surge appears to be commanded. I have a feeling that the
increased acceleration times may be a factor. I wonder if synced motion
should have a ramp or buffer zone to allow it to lock gracefully. I have
a halscope graph of a spindle synced motion and my best tuning at this
link:

http://www.wallacecompany.com/cnc_lathe/HNC/emc2/spindle_sync_surge-1a.png

and the .ngc file is here:

http://www.wallacecompany.com/cnc_lathe/HNC/emc2/spin_sync_z-1.ngc

Any comments are appreciated.

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Re: [Emc-users] HNC Lathe Tuning

2007-10-14 Thread Kirk Wallace
On Sun, 2007-10-14 at 19:42 -0500, Chris Radek wrote:
 On Sun, Oct 14, 2007 at 05:39:02PM -0700, Kirk Wallace wrote:
  In case anyone is interested, I have my latest tuning results at these
  links:
  
  http://www.wallacecompany.com/cnc_lathe/HNC/emc2/pid_x-1b.png
  
  http://www.wallacecompany.com/cnc_lathe/HNC/emc2/pid_z-1b.png
 
 Much better!  You should be able to add some I now to get rid of the
 steady state errors.
 
 Chris

I seem to recall putting in 1.0 for I and got an oscillation. Maybe I
should try some fractional settings.
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Re: [Emc-users] Pluto Alternatives

2007-10-14 Thread Jon Elson
Kirk Wallace wrote:
 On Sun, 2007-10-14 at 12:50 -0600, Sebastian Kuzminsky wrote:

Am I the only one who wishes for a Pluto-P with screw-terminals on the
board instead of a ribbon-cable header?
 
 
 I am with you on this one. I much prefer screw terminals.

Just a s a data point, to convert my universal stepper 
controller or PWM controller from the cheap IDC punch-down 
terminals to 2-part screw terminals costs ME an additional $60
in parts.  Clearly, there are more components in the screw 
terminal variety.

Jon

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Re: [Emc-users] Pluto Alternatives

2007-10-14 Thread Kirk Wallace
On Sun, 2007-10-14 at 20:25 -0500, Jon Elson wrote:
 Kirk Wallace wrote:
  On Sun, 2007-10-14 at 12:50 -0600, Sebastian Kuzminsky wrote:
 
 Am I the only one who wishes for a Pluto-P with screw-terminals on the
 board instead of a ribbon-cable header?
  
  
  I am with you on this one. I much prefer screw terminals.
 
 Just a s a data point, to convert my universal stepper 
 controller or PWM controller from the cheap IDC punch-down 
 terminals to 2-part screw terminals costs ME an additional $60
 in parts.  Clearly, there are more components in the screw 
 terminal variety.
 
 Jon

Now that you mentioned it. I de-soldered the terminals on my UPC and put
on screw terminals. But it's funny that I would have a really hard time
paying $60 more for a UPC.
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Re: [Emc-users] Pluto Alternatives

2007-10-14 Thread Stephen Wille Padnos
Kirk Wallace wrote:

On Sun, 2007-10-14 at 20:25 -0500, Jon Elson wrote:
  

Kirk Wallace wrote:


On Sun, 2007-10-14 at 12:50 -0600, Sebastian Kuzminsky wrote:
  

Am I the only one who wishes for a Pluto-P with screw-terminals on the
board instead of a ribbon-cable header?


I am with you on this one. I much prefer screw terminals.
  

Just a s a data point, to convert my universal stepper 
controller or PWM controller from the cheap IDC punch-down 
terminals to 2-part screw terminals costs ME an additional $60
in parts.  Clearly, there are more components in the screw 
terminal variety.

Jon


Now that you mentioned it. I de-soldered the terminals on my UPC and put
on screw terminals. But it's funny that I would have a really hard time
paying $60 more for a UPC.
  

Oh good - I'm glad I'm not the only one who has done that ;)

Mesa has some of their I/O boards with terminal header options - the 
boards are about $20 more than their ribbon header counterparts, but the 
two 24-pin terminal plugs are about $22 *each*.  It's less than a 
(reasonable quality) breakout board, but not by all that much.

- Steve


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[Emc-users] Halscope Settings

2007-10-14 Thread Kirk Wallace
Is there a way to save Halscope channel settings and reload them later?
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Re: [Emc-users] HNC Lathe Tuning

2007-10-14 Thread Jon Elson
Kirk Wallace wrote:
 On Sun, 2007-10-14 at 19:42 -0500, Chris Radek wrote:
 
On Sun, Oct 14, 2007 at 05:39:02PM -0700, Kirk Wallace wrote:

In case anyone is interested, I have my latest tuning results at these
links:

http://www.wallacecompany.com/cnc_lathe/HNC/emc2/pid_x-1b.png

http://www.wallacecompany.com/cnc_lathe/HNC/emc2/pid_z-1b.png

Much better!  You should be able to add some I now to get rid of the
steady state errors.

Chris
 
 
 I seem to recall putting in 1.0 for I and got an oscillation. Maybe I
 should try some fractional settings.

A little I, and fractional values are often needed, can help. 
Otherwise, you can turn up (or down) FF1 to bring the 
steady-state error down right to zero.  Then, you can add just a 
tiny bit of FF2 (often something like 0.002) to bring the accel 
spikes down close to zero error, too.  Some of these parameters 
are VERY sensitive.

Jon

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Re: [Emc-users] Halscope Settings

2007-10-14 Thread ben lipkowitz
By default halscope saves a hidden file .scope.cfg in the current 
directory. The next time you run halscope from that directory it loads the 
settings (well most of them at least) from that file.

  On Sun, 14 Oct 2007, Kirk Wallace wrote:

 Is there a way to save Halscope channel settings and reload them later?

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Re: [Emc-users] Pluto Alternatives

2007-10-14 Thread Jon Elson
Kirk Wallace wrote:
 On Sun, 2007-10-14 at 20:25 -0500, Jon Elson wrote:
 
Kirk Wallace wrote:

On Sun, 2007-10-14 at 12:50 -0600, Sebastian Kuzminsky wrote:

Am I the only one who wishes for a Pluto-P with screw-terminals on the
board instead of a ribbon-cable header?


I am with you on this one. I much prefer screw terminals.

Just a s a data point, to convert my universal stepper 
controller or PWM controller from the cheap IDC punch-down 
terminals to 2-part screw terminals costs ME an additional $60
in parts.  Clearly, there are more components in the screw 
terminal variety.

Jon
 
 
 Now that you mentioned it. I de-soldered the terminals on my UPC and put
 on screw terminals. But it's funny that I would have a really hard time
 paying $60 more for a UPC.

Yeah, funny how that works out!  I've made a couple for my own 
test stations like that, but never sold one with the screw 
terminals.

Jon

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Re: [Emc-users] Halscope Settings

2007-10-14 Thread Jon Elson
Kirk Wallace wrote:
 Is there a way to save Halscope channel settings and reload them later?
It does do that.  If you don't have the latest version, it 
didn't save every setting, but it did save the channel 
assignment.  Oh, you want to save it as a file, and reload after 
making a different setting.  Hmm, there is a back-door way to do 
it, because these settings are put in a file with the other 
files in your configs directory.  I think it starts with a ., 
so it won't show up unless you do an ls -a command.

Jon

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Re: [Emc-users] Halscope Settings

2007-10-14 Thread Kirk Wallace
On Mon, 2007-10-15 at 03:56 +, ben lipkowitz wrote:
 By default halscope saves a hidden file .scope.cfg in the current 
 directory. The next time you run halscope from that directory it loads the 
 settings (well most of them at least) from that file.

This implies that I can save the file to another file name and before
invoking Halscope again - copy the desired file back to .scope.cfg.
Or, I could create a script that takes the first command argument as the
.scope.cfg file. Thanks Ben.

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Re: [Emc-users] Halscope Settings

2007-10-14 Thread Kirk Wallace
On Sun, 2007-10-14 at 22:59 -0500, Jon Elson wrote:
 Kirk Wallace wrote:
  Is there a way to save Halscope channel settings and reload them later?
 It does do that.  If you don't have the latest version, it 
 didn't save every setting, but it did save the channel 
 assignment.  Oh, you want to save it as a file, and reload after 
 making a different setting.  Hmm, there is a back-door way to do 
 it, because these settings are put in a file with the other 
 files in your configs directory.  I think it starts with a ., 
 so it won't show up unless you do an ls -a command.
 
 Jon

Thanks Jon.

I looked briefly at the emc.nml file and didn't see anything obvious,
but I wonder if there is a way to run Halscope on another computer like
you can run the user interface by redirecting emcsvr?

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