Re: [Emc-users] OpenGL on EMC2? + 7i43
From that refund I'd buy some books and read up on some 'stuff'. So I can help myself... Rainer -- ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
[Emc-users] axis and batch processing
hi everyone I do a lot of cutting for my rc modelling projects through Rhinocam and axis. Now people start asking me to cut for them, which is very pleasing. So far I used to prepare one g-code file for - engraving labels - bevelling (where needed) - cutting inner contours - cutting outer contours I had to load and run these files individually. So I am asking myself, if I can join them in some way. Simple copy into one big file does not seem to work though. Does anyone have an idea, how I can achieve this? best regards chris -- ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] axis and batch processing
Check this chapter in the manual: http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.3/html/gcode_main.html#r3_7 Regards, Jan On Sat, Jul 4, 2009 at 13:08, Chris Epicierseuch...@yahoo.de wrote: hi everyone I do a lot of cutting for my rc modelling projects through Rhinocam and axis. Now people start asking me to cut for them, which is very pleasing. So far I used to prepare one g-code file for - engraving labels - bevelling (where needed) - cutting inner contours - cutting outer contours I had to load and run these files individually. So I am asking myself, if I can join them in some way. Simple copy into one big file does not seem to work though. Does anyone have an idea, how I can achieve this? best regards chris -- ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Simple compile help needed and a generous offer
Steve Sounds good, A two and a half hours drive is not bad if the whack is of high quality. For now, I'll just step on a rake! Plus, I'm not nearly so eager for punishment now that the files are being processed and the machine is plotting away beside me. regards Cal I think you're fairly close to me. Come on up to the Burlington area if you want a whack upside the head. :) - Steve -- ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] OpenGL on EMC2? + 7i43
Richard: No one is here with the intent to make you mad, deceive you, or coerce you into developing something. As near as I can determine, everyone has tried to be patient and caring. The trouble is, these dedicated people are trying to advance the EMC project, provide support, and document everything on their own time, donating every bit of it. That's how open source happens most of the time. I'm not trying to deny you have frustrations, just trying to let you know you are chasing away the very people you need to succeed. I, too, when I first started trying to learn here got very frustrated. As I continued on, I even quit for a while. Then I realized it was not those people (who had already tried to help me tremendously - as they have you) that I was frustrated with, but my own progress. To solve that, I printed out each of the manuals, read them front to back at least 3 times, and practiced on little projects until I could remember at least a few of the tricks and commands. (I'm a slow learner as everyone on the EMC project probably knows). I still forget things and where they are located, and occasionally get reminded of that on the mailing list or chat lines. As far as your concern of running a 7i43 right out of the box, I can't and haven't found that claim anywhere. I'm not saying you're wrong, I just never saw it. Actually, some good has come out of your ranting in the way of Ted Hyde's description which helped many of us anticipating the use of the Mesa boards, but I wouldn't expect any more progress, as you're beating up on your helpers. Please step back, see if you really want to pursue EMC and work with the developers and helpers, and then proceed accordingly. PS: I noticed you wanted the people of EMC to step back and take time to understand your problem. That is exactly what the EMC people are trying to say to you. Take the time to study your problem, reasearch all you can, and study the documents to understand what is going on. Then, if you politely show you have done your homework, they will be much more willing to pursue your problem. Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2009 23:26:38 -0300 From: eyela...@gmail.com To: emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Emc-users] OpenGL on EMC2? + 7i43 Maybe if you try to pay more attention and take some time to understand what you read and realize noone asked for YOUR PREFERENCE (Quoted). You could find (if you read) that i have explained about the way i installed the system and than i did it the same way you did. also i explained than it was working in the past but now not anymore, so, there is no concern about anyone's preferences but a certain need of support and that is why i asked for help trying to solve a rare issue. I'm suscribed to this list for about a year and never found a real(complete) answer for any issue. I'am also a suscriber to several other lists, and always found someone who solved, helped me to solve or at least pushed me on the right path, but that's not the case here. (always bumping except for Ted Hyde who made the config and etc... that made the brick to finally start showing numbers) The support on LinuxCNC is clearly the biggest weakness. Since my first inquiry i found exactly that... or at least that was the case with my mesa board. some people may remember the past year's adventures trying to make my 7i43 to at least say i'm alive I had to pay a linuxer to solve the strange phyton_opengl issue, wich took him less than 5 minutes, so it shouldn't be something that bad. I wonder how many time he needed to figure the solution on his mind. And, off course, about the EVERYTHING_can_WORK_on_this_BOARD (7i43) and the fact that had no answer about the way to connect the motors thru a freq. variator i had to pay another person, and off course, there IS a WAY, and it can work correctly. so, again: The support on LinuxCNC is clearly the biggest weakness. Now... i ask myself... Why didn't i paid for a working solution based on windows from the begining? It could made me save almost a year of work in a project that is lost. Yes... i lost the project because my customer got tired to wait for something that WAS SUPPOSSED TO BE WORKING OUT OF THE BOX. Why did i believe 1. There was real support on the Linux world. 2. There was a simple and cheap do it yourself solution bassed on Linux and 3. All that seemed to be so easy, was really easy. I know there is a lot of people with functional machines, nicely done retrofittings, etc... but... Was all that applied to the industry, was all that applied to a real productive environment? o was as it seems applied to hobbyst environments where everything can work partially? Sincerelly people... The support on LinuxCNC is clearly the biggest weakness. Thanks to everyone who tryed to help, thanks to everyone
Re: [Emc-users] OpenGL on EMC2? + 7i43
On Saturday 04 July 2009, James Reed wrote: Richard: No one is here with the intent to make you mad, deceive you, or coerce you into developing something. As near as I can determine, everyone has tried to be patient and caring. The trouble is, these dedicated people are trying to advance the EMC project, provide support, and document everything on their own time, donating every bit of it. That's how open source happens most of the time. I'm not trying to deny you have frustrations, just trying to let you know you are chasing away the very people you need to succeed. I, too, when I first started trying to learn here got very frustrated. As I continued on, I even quit for a while. Then I realized it was not those people (who had already tried to help me tremendously - as they have you) that I was frustrated with, but my own progress. To solve that, I printed out each of the manuals, read them front to back at least 3 times, and practiced on little projects until I could remember at least a few of the tricks and commands. (I'm a slow learner as everyone on the EMC project probably knows). I still forget things and where they are located, and occasionally get reminded of that on the mailing list or chat lines. As far as your concern of running a 7i43 right out of the box, I can't and haven't found that claim anywhere. I'm not saying you're wrong, I just never saw it. Actually, some good has come out of your ranting in the way of Ted Hyde's description which helped many of us anticipating the use of the Mesa boards, but I wouldn't expect any more progress, as you're beating up on your helpers. Please step back, see if you really want to pursue EMC and work with the developers and helpers, and then proceed accordingly. PS: I noticed you wanted the people of EMC to step back and take time to understand your problem. That is exactly what the EMC people are trying to say to you. Take the time to study your problem, reasearch all you can, and study the documents to understand what is going on. Then, if you politely show you have done your homework, they will be much more willing to pursue your problem. Extremely well said James. Thanks. I have yet to ask a question (more often than not based on an incomplete understanding on my part) that wasn't answered by someone here, (or on IRC) sometimes directly, and sometimes with a pointer to the wiki so I could do my own detective work, but I have always rx'd a helpful answer. Sometimes it is up to the questioner to recognize that the answer he got is in fact helpful. That means one must be willing to help himself too. -- Cheers, Gene There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order. -Ed Howdershelt (Author) The NRA is offering FREE Associate memberships to anyone who wants them. https://www.nrahq.org/nrabonus/accept-membership.asp If Bill Gates is the Devil then Linus Torvalds must be the Messiah. -- Unknown source -- ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] axis and batch processing
On Saturday 04 July 2009, Chris Epicier wrote: hi everyone I do a lot of cutting for my rc modelling projects through Rhinocam and axis. Now people start asking me to cut for them, which is very pleasing. So far I used to prepare one g-code file for - engraving labels - bevelling (where needed) - cutting inner contours - cutting outer contours I had to load and run these files individually. So I am asking myself, if I can join them in some way. Simple copy into one big file does not seem to work though. Does anyone have an idea, how I can achieve this? best regards chris Simply 'cat'ing or cp'ing the files to one big file often doesn't work for several reasons. The origin co-ordinates could be different might be one. Another can be that one file (or more) has an m2 command to end it, and nothing beyond that will be processed so the appended code will not run. There are probably another several 'gotchas' that would need editing the final file to fix that I haven't run into yet, but those are the ones that come to mind. I think there is a % sign usage too that might effect things in a manner similar to the m2, which is normally used as the end of program marker. I can't think of anything that would be a total show stopper unless the measurement unit itself was changed from inch to/from mm as that could result is some 'odd results'. :) -- Cheers, Gene There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order. -Ed Howdershelt (Author) The NRA is offering FREE Associate memberships to anyone who wants them. https://www.nrahq.org/nrabonus/accept-membership.asp Windows Tip of the Day: Add DEVICE=FNGRCROS.SYS to your CONFIG.SYS file. -- ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] OpenGL on EMC2? + 7i43
Richard Acosta wrote: Maybe if you try to pay more attention and take some time to understand what you read and realize noone asked for YOUR PREFERENCE (Quoted). You could find (if you read) that i have explained about the way i installed the system and than i did it the same way you did. also i explained than it was working in the past but now not anymore, so, there is no concern about anyone's preferences but a certain need of support and that is why i asked for help trying to solve a rare issue. I'm suscribed to this list for about a year and never found a real(complete) answer for any issue. Huh? I'am also a suscriber to several other lists, and always found someone who solved, helped me to solve or at least pushed me on the right path, Good, hang around those who help you. but that's not the case here. (always bumping except for Ted Hyde who made the config and etc... that made the brick to finally start showing numbers) The support on LinuxCNC is clearly the biggest weakness. 1.0 Since my first inquiry i found exactly that... or at least that was the case with my mesa board. some people may remember the past year's adventures trying to make my 7i43 to at least say i'm alive I had to pay a linuxer to solve the strange phyton_opengl issue, wich took him less than 5 minutes, so it shouldn't be something that bad. I wonder how many time he needed to figure the solution on his mind. And, off course, about the EVERYTHING_can_WORK_on_this_BOARD (7i43) and the fact that had no answer about the way to connect the motors thru a freq. variator i had to pay another person, and off course, there IS a WAY, and it can work correctly. so, again: The support on LinuxCNC is clearly the biggest weakness. 2.0 Now... i ask myself... Why didn't i paid for a working solution based on windows from the begining? We ask ourselves the same question. It could made me save almost a year of work in a project that is lost. Yes... i lost the project because my customer got tired to wait for something that WAS SUPPOSSED TO BE WORKING OUT OF THE BOX. So EMC guys are now liable for your $$$ losses due to your poor management, engineering, and implementation solution? No wonder we need silly legal disclaimers and licenses in source files. Why did i believe 1. There was real support on the Linux world. search engine: linux help Results 1 - 10 of about 130,000,000 for linux help. (0.15 seconds) 2. There was a simple and cheap do it yourself solution bassed on Linux and Cheap thinking, cheap results. 3. All that seemed to be so easy, was really easy. It's easy for a bushman to catch a lizard for dinner. It all depends on EXPERIENCE. I know there is a lot of people with functional machines, nicely done retrofittings, etc... but... Was all that applied to the industry, was all that applied to a real productive environment? o was as it seems applied to hobbyst environments where everything can work partially? Does it matter? People put in TIME, $$$, and exchange experience, i.e. help each other on this list and IRC. Sincerelly people... The support on LinuxCNC is clearly the biggest weakness. 3.0 California law: three strikes and you are out. Thanks to everyone who tryed to help, thanks to everyone behind such a great project, but i also think you need a lot more on support and I remember your case and a quick search shows December 21st as the date when you were upset about lack of EMC support on this list. If I remember correctly, you took on a job without knowing enough about Linux, EMC, and who knows what else to finish your contract. Apparently you still haven't realized that. documentation. And there is a real need to avoid situations like the one i had to live with a poorly supported(driver) board while it was doccumented as being supported correctly and fully functional. You need to understand that not everyone is a programmer, you need to know that not everyone can operate Linux partially and that a doit My mom is able to turn Linux box on and play games or check the news without me being around. She never used computers before she crossed 74. yourself has to be well accompanied with very well developed and very clear documentation. Perhaps this is an opportunity to start a business to support people like you. But there is a catch: you likely won't pay them as much as you would expect to pay for similar commercial products. Sorry, you're wrong here. DIY also requires KNOWLEDGE. There might be more support in the future, I'm confident that as soon as you and other similarly disappointed people dangle enough $$$ in front of experts, there will be different kind of support. A lot of OSS projects fork that way. Still, the level of support on this mailing list and IRC is at least as good as any other OSS projects I've been following for years.
Re: [Emc-users] Help with probing on a surface with rotational symmetry - Comment on Wiki documentation
Jeff Epler wrote: Works as documented here. (PROBEOPEN filename.txt) immediately created filename.txt in the same directory as my inifile. Jeff -- My apologies Jeff, when I looked the file was in the same directory as the ini. Sorry I just assumed that the file would be created in the users home folder and just didnt think to look in the emc folder. I will know in future, but wiki didnt mention where that that file was created, that is left to the assumption of the reader and I assumed wrong. Alan -- ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] axis and batch processing
Dear Jan Check this chapter in the manual: http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.3/html/gcode_main.html#r3_7 Regards, Jan === 3.7 Calling Files To call a file name the file the same as your call and include a sub and endsub. The file must be in the directory pointed to by PROGRAM_PREFIX omyfile call (a named file) or o123 call (a number file) In the called file include the oxxx sub and endsub and the file must be a valid file myfile.ngc omyfile sub ... omyfile endsub M2 If I interprete that correctly, I shoud be able to do this: Let's assume I have these files: engrave.ngc, bevel.ngc, inner.ngc, outer. ngc, home.ngc I so, I woul generate another file, let's call it master.ngc with about te following content: omaster.ngc call engrave.ngc omaster.ngc call home.ngc omaster.ngc call bevel.ngc omaster.ngc call home.ngc omaster.ngc call inner.ngc omaster.ngc call home.ngc omaster.ngc call outer. ngc omaster.ngc call home.ngc However that fails, why? Greets Chris On Sat, Jul 4, 2009 at 13:08, Chris Epicierseuch...@yahoo.de wrote: hi everyone I do a lot of cutting for my rc modelling projects through Rhinocam and axis. Now people start asking me to cut for them, which is very pleasing. So far I used to prepare one g-code file for - engraving labels - bevelling (where needed) - cutting inner contours - cutting outer contours I had to load and run these files individually. So I am asking myself, if I can join them in some way. Simple copy into one big file does not seem to work though. Does anyone have an idea, how I can achieve this? best regards chris -- ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] axis and batch processing
seuch...@yahoo.de wrote: Dear Jan Check this chapter in the manual: http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.3/html/gcode_main.html#r3_7 Regards, Jan === 3.7 Calling Files To call a file name the file the same as your call and include a sub and endsub. The file must be in the directory pointed to by PROGRAM_PREFIX omyfile call (a named file) or o123 call (a number file) In the called file include the oxxx sub and endsub and the file must be a valid file myfile.ngc omyfile sub ... omyfile endsub M2 If I interprete that correctly, I shoud be able to do this: Let's assume I have these files: engrave.ngc, bevel.ngc, inner.ngc, outer. ngc, home.ngc I so, I woul generate another file, let's call it master.ngc with about te following content: omaster.ngc call engrave.ngc omaster.ngc call home.ngc omaster.ngc call bevel.ngc omaster.ngc call home.ngc omaster.ngc call inner.ngc omaster.ngc call home.ngc omaster.ngc call outer. ngc omaster.ngc call home.ngc However that fails, why? I haven't tried it, but one thing to note is that the are necessary around a named O-word or parameter. Also, the manual might be a little unclear since it looks like the text in parentheses is part of the command. I think what the instructions are trying to say is that the master file should do a call with the name of the subroutine file: Oengrave call Ohome call ... And the subroutine files should be like this: engrave.ngc: Oengrave sub (your engraving G-code goes here) ... Oengrave endsub M2 home.ngc: Ohome sub (your homing g-code goes here) ... Ohome endsub M2 Etc. Try it and let us know if it works this way. - Steve -- ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
[Emc-users] video driver / opengl issues after update to 8.04
Hi guys When i updated from 6.06 to 8.04 the backplot display in AXIS does not display properly. It renders horizontal lines all over the screen. the horizontal line are actually the backplot . gxlgears loads and does something similar. I tried manually changing to the i810 video driver through the xorg.conf file. that wouldn't even display. I used displayconfig.gtk to try vesa, i810 intel and none of them would display anything. played around for a few hours - anyone have the same problem / ideas. Thanks Chris m _ Create a cool, new character for your Windows Live™ Messenger. http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9656621 -- ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
