Re: [Emc-users] Installing an MPG Pendant

2012-06-19 Thread andy pugh
On 19 June 2012 06:19, Anders Wallin anders.e.e.wal...@gmail.com wrote:

 some googling suggests that PCIe parallel ports don't have any
 standard address, and the address may even change at each bootup,

If that is the case, then referring to the parports as 0 and 1
rather than by address in the loadrt hal_parport line is probably the
better solution. hal_parport can work with parport_pc to identify
parallel ports by index rather than by explicit address.

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Re: [Emc-users] Installing an MPG Pendant

2012-06-19 Thread N. Christopher Perry
What is the syntax for doing that?

N. Christopher Perry

On Jun 19, 2012, at 6:26, andy pugh bodge...@gmail.com wrote:

 On 19 June 2012 06:19, Anders Wallin anders.e.e.wal...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 some googling suggests that PCIe parallel ports don't have any
 standard address, and the address may even change at each bootup,
 
 If that is the case, then referring to the parports as 0 and 1
 rather than by address in the loadrt hal_parport line is probably the
 better solution. hal_parport can work with parport_pc to identify
 parallel ports by index rather than by explicit address.
 
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Re: [Emc-users] Installing an MPG Pendant

2012-06-19 Thread N. Christopher Perry
I did reboot the system and recheck the address reported by lspci, which was 
the same.  That may not be very definitive, but at least serves as a data point.

Unfortunately the card doesn't appear to show up in the bios setup.  I'll check 
again.

N. Christopher Perry

On Jun 19, 2012, at 1:19, Anders Wallin anders.e.e.wal...@gmail.com wrote:

 I updated my HAL file accordingly:
 
 loadrt hal_parport cfg=0x378 0xec00 in # Added 2012-Jun-18, NCP
 
 
 some googling suggests that PCIe parallel ports don't have any
 standard address, and the address may even change at each bootup, or
 it may be software configurable on the PCIe card.
 I'm guessing the ec00 above is the problem. Does the PCIe card have
 a BIOS-like setup menu of its own? Can you see or set the address
 there?
 
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Re: [Emc-users] Installing an MPG Pendant

2012-06-19 Thread andy pugh
On 19 June 2012 12:27, N. Christopher Perry n_christopher_pe...@me.com wrote:
 What is the syntax for doing that?

http://www.linuxcnc.org/docview/html/hal/parallel_port.html

Suggests that
loadrt hal_parport cfg=0 1 in
Ought to work.

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[Emc-users] SCARA robot arm 3D printer

2012-06-19 Thread transistor
Hi o

I just went through integrating EMC2 for a 3d ABS/PLA printer

Its detailed here:
transistor-man.com/3dprintbot.html

The control boards have their source files and pcbs listed, i;m working 
on pushing the schematics up this week. I ended up doing exactly what 
was suggested earlier in a previous thread, having MCodes call extrusion 
or heating, and that's about it. I didnt end up purchasing / going with 
the reprap/makerbot control boards as i didn't need the complexity. 
Overall it was simple but took many weeks to get up to speed, learn the 
innerworkings of emc2, and get stepgen to work with nontrivial 
kinematics.

As the printer is a SCARA arm, the kinematics and setup make it quite a 
bit more difficult to calibrate, which also took a bit of time to work 
through.

If there are any questions shoot over an email, hopefully the 
documentation will be helpful for those few folks working with 
non-cartesian platforms (scara / kuka)


-Dane
transis...@transistor-man.com


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Re: [Emc-users] SCARA robot arm 3D printer

2012-06-19 Thread andy pugh
On 19 June 2012 15:46,  transis...@transistor-man.com wrote:

 As the printer is a SCARA arm

This is an interesting development, as it has more printable
components than a conventional RepRap. You could (in theory) print the
arms, whereas printing linear slides is more tricky.

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Re: [Emc-users] SCARA robot arm 3D printer

2012-06-19 Thread Kent A. Reed
On 6/19/2012 10:46 AM, transis...@transistor-man.com wrote:
 Hi o

 I just went through integrating EMC2 for a 3d ABS/PLA printer

 Its detailed here:
 transistor-man.com/3dprintbot.html

 The control boards have their source files and pcbs listed, i;m working
 on pushing the schematics up this week. I ended up doing exactly what
 was suggested earlier in a previous thread, having MCodes call extrusion
 or heating, and that's about it. I didnt end up purchasing / going with
 the reprap/makerbot control boards as i didn't need the complexity.
 Overall it was simple but took many weeks to get up to speed, learn the
 innerworkings of emc2, and get stepgen to work with nontrivial
 kinematics.

 As the printer is a SCARA arm, the kinematics and setup make it quite a
 bit more difficult to calibrate, which also took a bit of time to work
 through.

 If there are any questions shoot over an email, hopefully the
 documentation will be helpful for those few folks working with
 non-cartesian platforms (scara / kuka)


 -Dane
 transis...@transistor-man.com


 -

In my book, you rate an A for the work and an A for the documentation.

Go to the head of the class :-)

Regards,
Kent


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Re: [Emc-users] SCARA robot arm 3D printer

2012-06-19 Thread transistor
On 2012-06-19 10:49, Kent A. Reed wrote:
 On 6/19/2012 10:46 AM, transis...@transistor-man.com wrote:
 Hi o

 I just went through integrating EMC2 for a 3d ABS/PLA printer

 Its detailed here:
 transistor-man.com/3dprintbot.html

 The control boards have their source files and pcbs listed, i;m 
 working
 on pushing the schematics up this week. I ended up doing exactly 
 what
 was suggested earlier in a previous thread, having MCodes call 
 extrusion
 or heating, and that's about it. I didnt end up purchasing / going 
 with
 the reprap/makerbot control boards as i didn't need the complexity.
 Overall it was simple but took many weeks to get up to speed, learn 
 the
 innerworkings of emc2, and get stepgen to work with nontrivial
 kinematics.

 As the printer is a SCARA arm, the kinematics and setup make it 
 quite a
 bit more difficult to calibrate, which also took a bit of time to 
 work
 through.

 If there are any questions shoot over an email, hopefully the
 documentation will be helpful for those few folks working with
 non-cartesian platforms (scara / kuka)


 -Dane
 transis...@transistor-man.com


 -

 In my book, you rate an A for the work and an A for the 
 documentation.

 Go to the head of the class :-)

 Regards,
 Kent


 
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i should have the updated schematics up for the PID controllers before 
end of week, i will update when they are available
-Dane

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Re: [Emc-users] SCARA robot arm 3D printer

2012-06-19 Thread Viesturs Lācis
2012/6/19  transis...@transistor-man.com:
 Hi o

 I just went through integrating EMC2 for a 3d ABS/PLA printer

 Its detailed here:
 transistor-man.com/3dprintbot.html


Wonderful build and excellent documentation of it.
Thank You very much for sharing it!!!

Viesturs











 The control boards have their source files and pcbs listed, i;m working
 on pushing the schematics up this week. I ended up doing exactly what
 was suggested earlier in a previous thread, having MCodes call extrusion
 or heating, and that's about it. I didnt end up purchasing / going with
 the reprap/makerbot control boards as i didn't need the complexity.
 Overall it was simple but took many weeks to get up to speed, learn the
 innerworkings of emc2, and get stepgen to work with nontrivial
 kinematics.

 As the printer is a SCARA arm, the kinematics and setup make it quite a
 bit more difficult to calibrate, which also took a bit of time to work
 through.

 If there are any questions shoot over an email, hopefully the
 documentation will be helpful for those few folks working with
 non-cartesian platforms (scara / kuka)


 -Dane
 transis...@transistor-man.com


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Re: [Emc-users] Brushless Servo Selection?

2012-06-19 Thread dave
On 06/16/2012 09:41 AM, gene heskett wrote:
 On Saturday, June 16, 2012 12:31:47 PM Peter Blodow did opine:

 Dave,
 funny thing is that European lathes in those days you were describing,
 many still working today,  were equipped with inch lead screws, so that
 in order to cut mm threads they have to use a 127 teeth gear in the gear
 case to drive the lead screw. This way, our industry wanted to become
 compatible with the British and American manufacturers for export
 And although we are using metric units here in Germany since the late
 1880ies, we still buy heating and water pipes, fittings etc. in inch
 measures. When I sometimes bring my timber to be cut to our local
 sawmill, I specify 3/4 inch or one inch boards to be made out of it,
 although they will be measured as 20 or 25 mm boards.
 By the way, how come that in this mailing list everybody speaks in
 inches - you were writing about the metric revolution?

 Peter

 Peter, I was all on that hay ride for as long as it lasted.  But when the
 gas stations that first put in pumps that measured liters made note that
 their monthly usage pumped into the customers tanks dropped to 10% because
 folks would just drive on down the street where they could buy gas by the
 gallon, a unit they had used all their lives, that effect brought the
 metric conversion of the US to a screeching halt.  The rest of the system
 did go metric, but that today is entirely the effect of all the
 manufacturing having been exported.  Had they put dual displays in the gas
 pumps for a few years, so folks could see at a glance what they were
 paying, they might have been able to let the gallons displays gradually
 fail, but some numbed nuts bean counter apparently wouldn't consider that
 idea.  Instead, we took very careful aim and shot ourselves in both feet.

 I suspect real estate was also to be a holdout, hell, nobody around here
 has a clue what a hectar is, not even me.

 Dave schrieb:
 I was in engineering college from 76 to 81 and remember some
 discussion about this.   Fortunately there was not too much to
 discuss
 as they had already decided that SI was the way to go and we had
 recently selected new books.   At the same time the metric
 revolution was in full swing and they were changing out all of their
 machine tools in the school shop so they
 would all be metric.   They were removing manual machines that were
 setup in inches and replacing them with machines setup in millimeters.
 Many of the machines were old so I was happy to see them go and be
 replaced with new machines.
 The school was very unique in that they encouraged students to use the
 machines and the facilities after hours.  They had a shop supervisor
 who was paid to stay late most weekday nights.  Even the garage was
 available, so we could put our cars on the lifts to do repairs and
 modifications.   When I wasn't chasing girls, I lived at school.
   :-)

 Dave
Some places decided that they could increase the effective price by 
10-20% by going metric because the customer wasn't smart enough to
do the conversion. Ha! That crashed quickly. So much for greed.
I do believe that if we (US) had used metric  on signs for the 
interstate hwy system and provided incentives for selling gasoline and 
diesel using liters
we'd be metric today. Instead we have a mixed system where international 
companies, eg. aerospace and automotive are metric and almost everything 
else is english/imperial.
I once had a GM manufactured car that was part metric and part english; 
now that was a pain. Logic and politics are rarely in the same room.

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Re: [Emc-users] Installing an MPG Pendant

2012-06-19 Thread N. Christopher Perry
Snip:

 On 19 June 2012 12:27, N. Christopher Perry n_christopher_pe...@me.com 
 wrote:
  What is the syntax for doing that?

 http://www.linuxcnc.org/docview/html/hal/parallel_port.html

 Suggests that
 loadrt hal_parport cfg=0 1 in
 Ought to work.

 -- 
 atp
 
Atp,

Thank you for the info and pointer.  Reading through the linked page I found a 
mention of a similar error connected with 'parpart_pc' and 'probe_parport'.  I 
commended out the 'loadrt probe_parport' and I'm getting motion with the 
pendant!

Still needed to poke around to get the basics working, but I've got most of the 
functionality I'm looking for. 

All,

Thank you all for the help.

N.C.


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Re: [Emc-users] Brushless Servo Selection?

2012-06-19 Thread dave
On 06/16/2012 12:52 PM, Kent A. Reed wrote:
 On 6/16/2012 2:54 PM, andy pugh wrote:
 On 16 June 2012 18:48, Davee...@dc9.tzo.com  wrote:
 I suspect real estate was also to be a holdout, hell, nobody around here
 has a clue what a hectar is, not even me.

 I think that Hectars are english also, as well as fathoms, etc.
 No, the Hectare is metric.

 An Are is an area 1km x 1km. A Hectare is 1/100 of that. So, a hectare
 is the area of a square 100m on a side.
 (1 million square metres to the Are, 10,000m^2 to the hectare.)

 Real estate is all about land records. Even in the relatively young US,
 land records now stretch back 300 years. No way anybody is going to be
 in a hurry to convert them to some newfangled system of units. GPS is no
 panacea. Almost no one's land deed, and certainly not mine, is described
 in terms that are easily confirmed by GPS survey, and even if I
 resurveyed my property I'd have to convince all my adjoining neighbors
 to go along as well as the county-record office before I could use the
 new measures in a sale of my property.  Taint a cheap proposition even
 if everyone is being reasonable about it, and how often are people
 reasonable about land? Things are changing in land management , more
 because of the spread of GIS than anything else, but they are changing
 very slowly considering the technologies involved were settled decades ago.

 Standards, including units of measure, are intimately tied to commerce;
 hence my former employer, NIST, nee NBS, is in the US Department of
 Commerce.

 There have been least three official attempts at metrification in the
 USA in my lifetime, several of which NBS played a role in. None really
 took root (I exclude engineers and scientists) although many items on
 the shelves of stores I frequent are now marked in both English and
 metric units. Simplistically, I think it's because export of goods and
 services accounts for little more than 10 percent of our gross domestic
 product. That's a little tail on a big dog.

 This is a people problem that is not unique to the US. Look at the UK.
 Even though export accounts for some 30 percent of its GDP I know from
 firsthand experience that there is still a sizable resistance to SI. In
 neither the US nor the UK has legislation and its implementing
 regulations been completely successful. Lots of trade will give those
 who have the ability to change a monetary incentive to do so and lots of
 time will allow those who can't change to die away.

 Standards are intimately tied to agreements as well.
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kilogram gives a nice sampling of the work
 that has been going into reaching international agreement on the
 redefinition of the kilogram.

 Regards,
 Kent
I've had some discussions with county people about gps. Apparently in 
the Eastern states agreement is pretty good. A park district just 
acquired land adjacent to ours on Anderson Is.
(south puget sound). The property line moved 6 to 10 feet east and this 
was supposedly done with high accuracy gps. There is a well established 
reference point less than a mi (as the crow flies) from the survey area 
so they had  something decent to tie in to.

I had to laugh at a friend of mine (his business was Ag) who was 
visiting relatives in Austria. I ask how he did with the metric system 
and he replied, Not bad ... as soon as I figured out
that a Kg of cabbage was about this much (using hands to explain) I was OK.

Dave

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[Emc-users] CO2 Laser Control

2012-06-19 Thread Jeshua Lacock

Greetings,

I am thinking about making a laser attachment for my CNC machine with something 
like this:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/80W-CO2-Laser-Tube-Power-Supply-Engraver-Cutter-New-/150552923492?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item230da74d64

I am tempted to go with the 130W:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/130W-CO2-Laser-Tube-Power-Supply-Engraving-Cutting-/160470882820?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item255ccf5a04

I bet that might even be enough power for selective aluminum sintering.

It states that those power supplies can be controlled from a TTL PWM, so I 
assume that it will be easy to control from a standard parallel port with HAL 
and LinuxCNC. Is that correct?

Has anyone set up a servo or stepper drive to adjust the laser's focal point? 
Seems easy enough, guess I am just wondering how to tie it into g-code.

Before I embark on this adventure, I would appreciate any advice you might 
have. Thanks!


Cheers,

Jeshua Lacock
Founder/Engineer
3DTOPO Incorporated
http://3DTOPO.com
Phone: 208.462.4171


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Re: [Emc-users] Brushless Servo Selection?

2012-06-19 Thread dave
On 06/16/2012 03:21 PM, andy pugh wrote:
 On 16 June 2012 21:25, Peter Blodowp.blo...@dreki.de  wrote:

 Except that hecto and centi are _not_ prefixes in the SI system.
 Yes they are. Hekto-, deka-, deci- and centi- (100, 10, 1/10, 1/100
 rsp.) are the only ones with the decimal exponents not being multiples
 of three,
 Wikipedia seems to agree. I was certainly taught that it was improper
 to use those prefixes though.

Usage really depends on the field. I routinely used Kg, g., mg, ug. for 
weight and L, mL, uL for volumes. However, take a look at your latest 
blood chemistry.
Units like mg/dL, U/L (units/liter), mmol/L., are routinely used: and 
then it gets worse K/uL (white blood cells), M/uL (red blood cells), fL 
(mean cell volume), pg ( no volume given),
% (hematocrit), Change those units and you will confuse every medical 
doctor out there...not something you want to do.

Dave
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