Re: [Emc-users] For anybody considering upgrading their motherboard in the next few months.
On Sat, 15 Sep 2012, Mark Cason wrote: Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2012 00:15:04 -0500 From: Mark Cason farmerboy1...@yahoo.com To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: [Emc-users] For anybody considering upgrading their motherboard in the next few months. Just found this: http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2012/09/intel-declares-clover-trail-atom-processor-a-no-linux-zone/ A sad day for Linux... -- -Mark Ne M'oubliez ---Family Motto Hope for the best, plan for the worst ---Personal Motto Probably not terribly relevant to LinuxCNC since this is a mobile processor aimed at cell phones and tablets (Medfield) The current generation Atoms used in desktops MBs (Cedar View) have their own problems with linux and accelerated video because of the unsupported PowerVR graphics, but the good news is that the next generation of desktop/embedded Atoms (Valley view) due sometime in 2013 will use Intel graphics that have a open source driver. -- How fast is your code? 3 out of 4 devs don\\\'t know how their code performs in production. Find out how slow your code is with AppDynamics Lite. http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;262219672;13503038;z? http://info.appdynamics.com/FreeJavaPerformanceDownload.html ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users Peter Wallace Mesa Electronics (\__/) (='.'=) This is Bunny. Copy and paste bunny into your ()_() signature to help him gain world domination. -- How fast is your code? 3 out of 4 devs don\\\'t know how their code performs in production. Find out how slow your code is with AppDynamics Lite. http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;262219672;13503038;z? http://info.appdynamics.com/FreeJavaPerformanceDownload.html ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Counting and saving to file
2012/9/14 Przemek Klosowski przemek.klosow...@gmail.com: On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 2:45 PM, Viesturs Lācis viesturs.la...@gmail.com wrote: Maybe check if the file exists, and if it does, open in append mode; otherwise open it normally for writing. Yes, that would be nice. Can You share some source, where I can see, how does it look, when coded? As it turns out, opening the file in append mode creates it if it doesn't exist, so you can just do x=open(xyz,a) x.write(abc) Thank You! What is the syntax to put current date in the file name. In Your example the file name is xyz. And how can I specify the folder, in which the file is saved? 2012/9/15 cogoman cogo...@optimum.net: On 09/14/2012 03:53 PM, Stephen Dubovsky wrote: Python can make database calls. Just write the lengths to a database. Use database tools to do all the analysis like histogramming, etc. Thats what they are very good at. Or, if the end user is handy with a spreadsheet, you could write it out to a .CSV file, and include the date and time so they could tell if data came before or after the power failure. Of course for safety sake, you could close the file after each board is stored. Yesterday I saw a video, where they demonstrated, how such a machine is working. Each new piece of wood plank is created every 2 or 3 seconds. We agreed that saving to a file will be done, when operator explicitly presses save button. So they are taking a risk that powerfailure will cause a loss of unsaved data. I just cannot figure out, how to create a reminder for operator to save data in case he/she is trying to close application with some unsaved numbers. Yes, saving to csv would be nice, but I think that I have a solution - put in the rows some special characters, like semicolon, and then use text to columns function in spreadsheet. What I am concerned about is the coding of the file - most likely they will import the file in excel on windows. -- Viesturs If you can't fix it, you don't own it. http://www.ifixit.com/Manifesto -- How fast is your code? 3 out of 4 devs don\\\'t know how their code performs in production. Find out how slow your code is with AppDynamics Lite. http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;262219672;13503038;z? http://info.appdynamics.com/FreeJavaPerformanceDownload.html ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] For anybody considering upgrading their motherboard in the next few months.
Mark Cason wrote: Just found this: http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2012/09/intel-declares-clover-trail-atom-processor-a-no-linux-zone/ A sad day for Linux... And a good one for VIA ... http://www.viaembedded.com/en/products/processors/1830/1/VIA_QuadCore_E-Series.html Except they have everything but a pigging parallel port on the ITX boards ... BUT the M910 quotes 2 x Digital I/O pin headers (GPI x 8, GPO x 8) and EIGHT serial ports (why?) However as with all of them, the PCI riser runs a paralell port card without any problems :) -- Lester Caine - G8HFL - Contact - http://lsces.co.uk/wiki/?page=contact L.S.Caine Electronic Services - http://lsces.co.uk EnquirySolve - http://enquirysolve.com/ Model Engineers Digital Workshop - http://medw.co.uk Rainbow Digital Media - http://rainbowdigitalmedia.co.uk -- How fast is your code? 3 out of 4 devs don\\\'t know how their code performs in production. Find out how slow your code is with AppDynamics Lite. http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;262219672;13503038;z? http://info.appdynamics.com/FreeJavaPerformanceDownload.html ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Counting and saving to file
On 15 September 2012 08:26, Viesturs Lācis viesturs.la...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, saving to csv would be nice, but I think that I have a solution - put in the rows some special characters, like semicolon, and then use text to columns function in spreadsheet. That is what CSV is, comma separated variables. The special character is a comma. It is also a really bad choice, as a large proportion of the world use the comma as a decimals separator. What I am concerned about is the coding of the file - most likely they will import the file in excel on windows. Just write(x,y,z) and it's CSV. -- atp If you can't fix it, you don't own it. http://www.ifixit.com/Manifesto -- How fast is your code? 3 out of 4 devs don\\\'t know how their code performs in production. Find out how slow your code is with AppDynamics Lite. http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;262219672;13503038;z? http://info.appdynamics.com/FreeJavaPerformanceDownload.html ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] For anybody considering upgrading their motherboard in the next few months.
I read a similar news article, and I think that it is a big misunderstanding. i On Sat, Sep 15, 2012 at 12:15 AM, Mark Cason farmerboy1...@yahoo.comwrote: Just found this: http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2012/09/intel-declares-clover-trail-atom-processor-a-no-linux-zone/ A sad day for Linux... -- -Mark Ne M'oubliez ---Family Motto Hope for the best, plan for the worst ---Personal Motto -- How fast is your code? 3 out of 4 devs don\\\'t know how their code performs in production. Find out how slow your code is with AppDynamics Lite. http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;262219672;13503038;z? http://info.appdynamics.com/FreeJavaPerformanceDownload.html ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- How fast is your code? 3 out of 4 devs don\\\'t know how their code performs in production. Find out how slow your code is with AppDynamics Lite. http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;262219672;13503038;z? http://info.appdynamics.com/FreeJavaPerformanceDownload.html ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
[Emc-users] Service manual for MAHO mill
Hello! I would appreciate, if somebody could advice me, where can I find service manual for this mill: Manufacturer: MAHO Model: MH400P Serial no: 41041 Year of production: 1980 Country of production: West Germany I am particularly interested in service instructions of hydraulic pump, and to be more precise - disassembling it. There is a cover on top of it and it is _not_ obvious, how to remove it. Since there is an idea to assemble it back together, the option of removing the cover by a brute force has been rejected :) -- Viesturs If you can't fix it, you don't own it. http://www.ifixit.com/Manifesto -- How fast is your code? 3 out of 4 devs don\\\'t know how their code performs in production. Find out how slow your code is with AppDynamics Lite. http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;262219672;13503038;z? http://info.appdynamics.com/FreeJavaPerformanceDownload.html ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] For anybody considering upgrading their motherboard in the next few months.
On Sat, Sep 15, 2012 at 1:26 AM, Przemek Klosowski przemek.klosow...@gmail.com wrote: http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2012/09/intel-declares-clover-trail-atom-processor-a-no-linux-zone/ The likely alternative is it'll be a proprietary curiosity that it'll peter out in the marketplace. Will they ever learn... I don't see the windows phone and windows tablet as a viable market, so Intel just wasted their time. I understand Microsoft fires their lowest 10 percent of their employees every year, and Intel is widely rumored to fire anyone over 50, so these two corporate dinosaurs deserve each other. Eric -- How fast is your code? 3 out of 4 devs don\\\'t know how their code performs in production. Find out how slow your code is with AppDynamics Lite. http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;262219672;13503038;z? http://info.appdynamics.com/FreeJavaPerformanceDownload.html ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] For anybody considering upgrading their motherboard in the next few months.
On 9/15/2012 11:13 AM, Eric Keller wrote: On Sat, Sep 15, 2012 at 1:26 AM, Przemek Klosowski przemek.klosow...@gmail.com wrote: http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2012/09/intel-declares-clover-trail-atom-processor-a-no-linux-zone/ The likely alternative is it'll be a proprietary curiosity that it'll peter out in the marketplace. Will they ever learn... I don't see the windows phone and windows tablet as a viable market, so Intel just wasted their time. I understand Microsoft fires their lowest 10 percent of their employees every year, and Intel is widely rumored to fire anyone over 50, so these two corporate dinosaurs deserve each other. Eric Note that AMD made a similar announcement regarding its Hondo processor appearing only in Windows8 tablets at launch. http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_itempx=MTE4NTY It's a weird and wonderful world we techies live in. Regards, Kent -- How fast is your code? 3 out of 4 devs don\\\'t know how their code performs in production. Find out how slow your code is with AppDynamics Lite. http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;262219672;13503038;z? http://info.appdynamics.com/FreeJavaPerformanceDownload.html ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Counting and saving to file
snip We agreed that saving to a file will be done, when operator explicitly presses save button. So they are taking a risk that powerfailure will cause a loss of unsaved data. I just cannot figure out, how to create a reminder for operator to save data in case he/she is trying to close application with some unsaved numbers. snip Cogoman's suggestion is the best here. Do a file open, append line of data, file close with each reading. THis is a trivial activity for the computer. Then to satisfy the customer, have the save button copy the contents of this Shift file to a final file. That way, if there is a power failure (and the operator has not hit the save button for 4 hours) and the customer calls you, you can tell them to look for this shift file to get the data they thought long gone. DUring a machine startup and or shut down, you can have the contents of the file saved to the daily file then purge the shift file. Brian -- How fast is your code? 3 out of 4 devs don\\\'t know how their code performs in production. Find out how slow your code is with AppDynamics Lite. http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;262219672;13503038;z? http://info.appdynamics.com/FreeJavaPerformanceDownload.html ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Counting and saving to file
This might be a little obtuse, but consider putting a small UPS on the computer and the monitor. Set the software that monitors the UPS to shut down the computer after a reasonable time automatically. The operator would have enough time, if they are around, to get to the computer and save the file, then shut down the rest of the operation gracefully. I use several UPS in my home, just for that reason, (and I hate to loose stuff because of a quick power glitch too!). warrning: war story Where I live, in the toolies outside Nashville, we have power spikes and outages regularly. A fact of living on the other end of long distribution lines. So I put UPSes on EVERYTHING electronic that I care about saving. A problem in our transformer put 220V over 110V lines intermittently (actually it was a poor ground at the transformer, and the power company fixed it but didn't admit it, so we just had to pay for our burned out equipment - I was there when the linemen got that 'oh stuff' look on their face, and took a short piece of grounding strap and climbed up by the transformer ... after that no more problems.). Anyway the UPSes I had saved the gear it was on, but others were toast. Even one UPS died. I opened it up and the transformer primary was burned out, and half the MOV's inside were black. Batteries were still good, but discharged. I kept them as spares for other UPSes and purchased a new UPS for that spot. ( I like refurbups.com and the APCC brand). We still lost half the light bulbs in the house, and about $400 of misc electronics to this power issue. But nothing behind the UPSes was lost. One UPS died (additional cost). Also, figure you replace batteries about every 3 years if you don't monitor the UPS, and every 4 if you do (just because you can tell when the battery is getting weak - monitor with computer software that 'just runs'.) /warning -- How fast is your code? 3 out of 4 devs don\\\'t know how their code performs in production. Find out how slow your code is with AppDynamics Lite. http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;262219672;13503038;z? http://info.appdynamics.com/FreeJavaPerformanceDownload.html ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Counting and saving to file
On Sat, Sep 15, 2012, Viesturs Lācis viesturs.la...@gmail.com wrote
What is the syntax to put current date in the file name. In Your
example the file name is xyz.
import datetime
open(xyz.+datetime.date.today().isoformat(),a)
And how can I specify the folder, in which the file is saved?
directory=/tmp/
open(directory+xyz.+datetime.date.today().isoformat(),a)
Having said that, Stephen's suggestion about databases is cool if you
are willing to invest in learning them. A lot of issues such as 'will
the data be saved', 'what happens if we restart after power loss',
'which file is the latest one', are handled by the database: you write
EVERY data point, the database makes sure it finds its way to disk,
and you then use the database to sift good/relevant records out. If
you don't feel like running full MySQL system, you could run sqlite:
import sqlite3
conn=sqlite3.connect(example.db)
c=conn.cursor()
c.execute('create table planks (date text, length real)')
c.execute('insert into planks values
(\''+datetime.date.today().isoformat()+'\',12.44)')
conn.commit()
c.close()
and the data is there:
$ sqlite3 -line example.db 'select * from planks'
date = 2012-09-15
length = 12.44
length = 12.44
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Re: [Emc-users] Counting and saving to file
2012/9/15 Przemek Klosowski przemek.klosow...@gmail.com: On Sat, Sep 15, 2012, Viesturs Lācis viesturs.la...@gmail.com wrote What is the syntax to put current date in the file name. In Your example the file name is xyz. import datetime open(xyz.+datetime.date.today().isoformat(),a) And how can I specify the folder, in which the file is saved? directory=/tmp/ open(directory+xyz.+datetime.date.today().isoformat(),a) Thanks for the suggestions! I expect to start some work on this by the end of the next week, so I will post more questions as they will arise. -- Viesturs If you can't fix it, you don't own it. http://www.ifixit.com/Manifesto -- How fast is your code? 3 out of 4 devs don\\\'t know how their code performs in production. Find out how slow your code is with AppDynamics Lite. http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;262219672;13503038;z? http://info.appdynamics.com/FreeJavaPerformanceDownload.html ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] For anybody considering upgrading their motherboard in the next few months.
I want to mention something that is analogous to the old naked king adage. I think that the Linux world is in big trouble. Despite the multitudes of distros and projects, there is not a viable, relatively bug free and usable desktop available among the currently supported projects (in the post-Gnome 2 world). Gnome 3, Unity, and pretty much everything else sucks, is unusable and full of bugs, crashing wobbly windows and missing functionality. That stuff is a joke. Just try Ubuntu 12.04 if you do not believe me. I have been a Linux user since 1995 and I am, frankly, frightened by what is happening. In the last year, the percentage of users of my website algebra.com who use Linux, dropped from 1 percent to about 1/2 percent. If Linux desktop is abandoned, then linux will be for a while relegated to the embedded world, and then everyone will forget about it. Our hard won software freedoms, abilities to do fun stuff, etc, will then wane into oblivion. i Frightened in Illinois -- Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;258768047;13503038;j? http://info.appdynamics.com/FreeJavaPerformanceDownload.html ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Knee mill w/ encoder on knee
On 09/14/2012 12:47 PM, Stephen Dubovsky wrote: This all comes from thinking about manual machines w/ DROs. There are combiner boxes avail that take a scale on both the quill and knee and add/subtract them to feed into the DRO display. Some newer ones can do it internally I think. So it doesn't matter which you move, the Z axis display on the DRO reads the total. Move the quill up 2 and the knee up 2 and the Z display stays the same. You don't need to touch-off again, and again, and again, ... Stephen, I'm interested in what you come up with. The mill I work on has a knee with a ballscrew, connected to a crank and a motor drive, so I think an encoder on the screw would do nicely. As it is I sometimes put pauses in the Gcode with a message to the operator to move the knee up or down by a certain amount. After the pause it does the tool change, followed by a change to a different coordinate system to handle the new knee position. It's a bit crude but works. Karl -- Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;258768047;13503038;j? http://info.appdynamics.com/FreeJavaPerformanceDownload.html ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Knee mill w/ encoder on knee
My Bridgeport Interact has an encoder on the motor that turns the knee screw, it is nice. -- Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;258768047;13503038;j? http://info.appdynamics.com/FreeJavaPerformanceDownload.html ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] For anybody considering upgrading their motherboard in the next few months.
Igor Chudov wrote: I think that the Linux world is in big trouble. Despite the multitudes of distros and projects, there is not a viable, relatively bug free and usable desktop available among the currently supported projects (in the post-Gnome 2 world). Gnome 3, Unity, and pretty much everything else sucks, is unusable and full of bugs, crashing wobbly windows and missing functionality. That stuff is a joke. Just try Ubuntu 12.04 if you do not believe me. Well, there are good reasons for users to not run the bleeding edge software, especially for work that counts. I'm probably one of the worst, still running CentOs 5.2 on my desktop at work and home. These are really out of date kernels, and I run into compatibility and update issues often. But, I run Linux, VmWare and Win 2Kpro together on these systems, with a fair number of hard to install and configure CAD packages, so I HATE to go through the update hassle. It usually takes a minimum of 2 weeks to get everything back to running properly, even after just a hard drive replacement. (This system has been up 52 days which is no record, my system at work was up over 400 days once. No UPS, either.) I've set up a couple Beagle Board systems with a pretty recent kernel and it seems to work fine, although I normally run it via ssh login rather than a kbd, mouse and monitor directly on the system. But, I have also run Ubuntu 10.04, and it seems to work fine for general-purpose use. So, I wonder if 12.04 will get cleaned up over time and become reliable as well. Unfortunately, they do seem to be following M$'s lead and putting in all sorts of flash and crap that isn't needed and can cause bugs. Also, if running on newer hardware, you may need a BIOS update for the motherboard. A number of Atom board users have reported strange problems and rotten RT latency was fixed by updating the motherboard BIOS. Jon -- Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;258768047;13503038;j? http://info.appdynamics.com/FreeJavaPerformanceDownload.html ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] For anybody considering upgrading their motherboard in the next few months.
On Sat, 15 Sep 2012, Igor Chudov wrote: Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2012 20:20:22 -0500 From: Igor Chudov ichu...@gmail.com Reply-To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Emc-users] For anybody considering upgrading their motherboard in the next few months. I want to mention something that is analogous to the old naked king adage. I think that the Linux world is in big trouble. Despite the multitudes of distros and projects, there is not a viable, relatively bug free and usable desktop available among the currently supported projects (in the post-Gnome 2 world). Gnome 3, Unity, and pretty much everything else sucks, is unusable and full of bugs, crashing wobbly windows and missing functionality. That stuff is a joke. Just try Ubuntu 12.04 if you do not believe me. I have been a Linux user since 1995 and I am, frankly, frightened by what is happening. In the last year, the percentage of users of my website algebra.com who use Linux, dropped from 1 percent to about 1/2 percent. If Linux desktop is abandoned, then linux will be for a while relegated to the embedded world, and then everyone will forget about it. Our hard won software freedoms, abilities to do fun stuff, etc, will then wane into oblivion. i Frightened in Illinois Hmm Ive been using Ubuntu 12.04 at home for about 6 months now and I find it very nice. I have not had a single crash, and pretty much everything works as expected. (Unity takes some getting used to and unity friendly apps for the best user interface consistancy) As far as waning goes, the desktop itself is waning... A what it the most popular mobile OS? Well Android (based on Linux) of course... Peter Wallace Mesa Electronics -- Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;258768047;13503038;j? http://info.appdynamics.com/FreeJavaPerformanceDownload.html ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] For anybody considering upgrading their motherboard in the next few months.
On Sat, Sep 15, 2012 at 10:36 PM, Peter C. Wallace p...@mesanet.com wrote: Hmm Ive been using Ubuntu 12.04 at home for about 6 months now and I find it very nice. I have not had a single crash, and pretty much everything works as expected. (Unity takes some getting used to and unity friendly apps for the best user interface consistancy) As far as waning goes, the desktop itself is waning... I think your point about the desktop is well taken, and somewhat problematic for people that like to do things with computers. I think that mobile devices are very good for checking email, but that's as close to work as you can get. I upgraded from 10.04 to 12.04 and it got rid of my constant crashes. I was thinking about getting a new computer, but apparently it was some misconfiguration. I do find the new interface a little annoying Eric -- Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;258768047;13503038;j? http://info.appdynamics.com/FreeJavaPerformanceDownload.html ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] For anybody considering upgrading their motherboard in the next few months.
On Sat, Sep 15, 2012 at 10:02 PM, Eric Keller eekel...@psu.edu wrote: On Sat, Sep 15, 2012 at 10:36 PM, Peter C. Wallace p...@mesanet.com wrote: Hmm Ive been using Ubuntu 12.04 at home for about 6 months now and I find it very nice. I have not had a single crash, and pretty much everything works as expected. (Unity takes some getting used to and unity friendly apps for the best user interface consistancy) As far as waning goes, the desktop itself is waning... I think your point about the desktop is well taken, and somewhat problematic for people that like to do things with computers. I think that mobile devices are very good for checking email, but that's as close to work as you can get. I upgraded from 10.04 to 12.04 and it got rid of my constant crashes. I was thinking about getting a new computer, but apparently it was some misconfiguration. I do find the new interface a little annoying Despite owning a warehouse nowadays, and doing various industrial related projects, I still find myself doing a fair amount of computer work, meaning creating computer programs and content. I find Unity to be majorly lacking and unsuitable for real work. I feel lucky that I have a fvwm2 configuration that works great for me. I am very disturbed by the existing course of events. If Linux desktop dies, everything else (such as servers) will follow in a few years. I am making half of my living from Linux based websites and this prospects freaks me out. And check this out. http://linuxfonts.narod.ru/why.linux.is.not.ready.for.the.desktop.current.html If I ever find myself with a lot of money, I may sponsor a project to create a complete Linux desktop. Of course, this is unlikely to materialize. But this is my dream. i Eric -- Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;258768047;13503038;j? http://info.appdynamics.com/FreeJavaPerformanceDownload.html ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;258768047;13503038;j? http://info.appdynamics.com/FreeJavaPerformanceDownload.html ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] For anybody considering upgrading their motherboard in the next few months.
On 09/15/2012 01:26 AM, Przemek Klosowski wrote: If there will be a well-designed and/or inexpensive hardware with this chipset, it'll likely get reverse-engineered. Years ago I worked on an in-circuit test for a device called a bus monitor chip. It was supposed to be able to monitor memory and IO read and writes, and store a count of accesses to a certain address, or just look for and access in a certain range, and store it and generate an interrupt. The chip hadn't gotten to the point where it had full data sheet functionality, but in theory would have made watching to see how the other operating system did things a lot easier. These days, I would guess that all that could be put into an FPGA and designed into a PCIX card. Could probably even have a serial port to a terminal to let another computer log all the interesting memory accesses. If it came time to pull the gloves off, I'd bet there are plenty of Linux guys (and girls) out there who would be able to figure out the hardware that way. Intel might not care if independently a Linux distro came out designed for those devices, as long as they had nothing to do with it.. -- Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;258768047;13503038;j? http://info.appdynamics.com/FreeJavaPerformanceDownload.html ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] For anybody considering upgrading their motherboard in the next few months.
Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2012 23:02:22 -0400 From: eekel...@psu.edu To: emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Emc-users] For anybody considering upgrading their motherboard in the next few months. On Sat, Sep 15, 2012 at 10:36 PM, Peter C. Wallace p...@mesanet.com wrote: Hmm Ive been using Ubuntu 12.04 at home for about 6 months now and I find it very nice. I have not had a single crash, and pretty much everything works as expected. (Unity takes some getting used to and unity friendly apps for the best user interface consistancy) As far as waning goes, the desktop itself is waning... I think your point about the desktop is well taken, and somewhat problematic for people that like to do things with computers. I think that mobile devices are very good for checking email, but that's as close to work as you can get. I upgraded from 10.04 to 12.04 and it got rid of my constant crashes. I was thinking about getting a new computer, but apparently it was some misconfiguration. I do find the new interface a little annoying Eric try Mint 13's Cinnamon. Its less annoying. not that I've used it much. Apparently it can be used in Ubuntu 12.04 Actually I think we should consider switching to Mint. It uses uses Ubuntu repositories but is made with 'doing stuff' in mind... Chris M -- Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;258768047;13503038;j? http://info.appdynamics.com/FreeJavaPerformanceDownload.html ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] For anybody considering upgrading their motherboard in the next few months.
Eric; I think your point about the desktop is well taken, and somewhat problematic for people that like to do things with computers. I think that mobile devices are very good for checking email, but that's as close to work as you can get. Disagree. Have an Android app. that displays VRML/X3D and STL files. For a while was an iPhone developer. Apple distributed my free desktop software until I stopped paying for the privilege of having them give it away. If it was iPhone, I could use the GPU to do 3D cylinder/triangle collisions for CAM work. Android does not (yet) support OpenCL, so my algorithms are sitting, waiting for my iPhone port. These algorithms run 10x faster on the GPU than the CPU on my desktop computer for large models. The programming paradigm shift will eventually hit all software, as desktop hardware is not being developed in any great sense any more. The future is in mobile hardware, even if tied to a desktop. I hope to eventually get my 0.99c app to do model slicing and CAM tool path generation, and reflective/refractive viewing of models. Do your publicity shots on the bus or train on the way to work. Do the tool path generation while walking down the street. (watch your feet though!) Sure, mobile devices are slower than desktops of the '90s, but, once you figure out how to program mobile devices, you fly. I'm not going to advertise nor push my Android app here, especially as some of the neat work is not yet released, but I would just say do not dismiss the technology behind mobile as it will *be* the desktop, and mobile, and everything fairly soon. Keep your eyes peeled on the mobile devices. Passively watch my app in the Google Play store, and see what it eventually does. (look for my name as author). Never say never. John Alexander Stewart. -- Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;258768047;13503038;j? http://info.appdynamics.com/FreeJavaPerformanceDownload.html ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Counting and saving to file
On 09/15/2012 06:17 AM, andy pugh wrote: That is what CSV is, comma separated variables. The special character is a comma. It is also a really bad choice, as a large proportion of the world use the comma as a decimals separator. I used to think it meant comma separated values, and I think that makes sense, except that somebody already thought of the usefulness of the comma in data. I just imported something like this file: fname:lname:stuff:number erastmus b.:dragging:techie:29 budd:tugly:makeup artist:22 into Libre Office Calc and the import feature allows a radio button choice of comma, semi-colon, and a few others, but allows you to choose practically ANY character you want to be the separator. It wants to have text surrounded by either single or double quote characters. I did a copy of the file with the colon replaced by the underscore character, and it imported fine also. While you could use Libre Office to import the CSV file, and write it out to an XLS file, I suspect that is not necessary. While I don't have a copy of Excel here to try it out, I suspect it allows semi-colon as a separator, and perhaps any other character. We have imported CSV files at work in the past. Someone wrote an app that takes data from our tester and writes it out as a CSV. We have an Excel spreadsheet that takes that data, and puts it into a nice, formatted data sheet we can send to customers. This probably comes under the heading of Just Works (tm). 8-) -- Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;258768047;13503038;j? http://info.appdynamics.com/FreeJavaPerformanceDownload.html ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
