Re: [Emc-users] Lathe Threading

2014-05-19 Thread Dave Caroline
The ramps are essential for full strength as they remove the need for
a safety groove

Dave Caroline

On 19/05/2014, Steve Blackmore st...@pilotltd.net wrote:
 On Sun, 18 May 2014 12:45:08 -0700, you wrote:

I'm still not seeing why G76 has a entry and exit ramp. I believe the
intent was to deal with Z acceleration time where the helix is not valid
at the start (and I assume the end) of synchronized motion. Normally,
one would start the thread off the part enough to have the Z and spindle
locations synchronize in air.

 Absolutely. You start the thread in air so the tool is at correct
 feed/speed combination when it contacts the material.

 A good CAM program can work this distance out for you. Normally in the
 machine setup you tell it what the max feeds and acceleration are and
 you are able to enter a tolerance value so you have a little leeway.

 Otherwise you guess.

 For threads that need to start in the
material rather than air, ramping may be used to ease into the thread
until the helix is correct. But the way I see it, either way there will
be a bit of bad helix at the start and end of the thread. Ramping-in
cuts less material, so may get in the way more than plunge-and-go.
Channeling before threading, so any material left will only have valid
helix, seems better. I would like to know if there is any situation
where ramping would be better than channeling or plunging.

 If the thread starts in the job, often parts are designed so there is a
 clearance groove in, out or both on the thread, a plunge can be made as
 long as the tool can accelerate to the correct feed within that groove.
 If that's not possible or desired a ramp in move in/out can be done, but
 the tool has to be at the correct feed when it hits the work - as long
 as the pitch of the thread doesn't alter, it's fine.


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Re: [Emc-users] Lathe Threading

2014-05-19 Thread andy pugh
On 19 May 2014 08:27, Dave Caroline dave.thearchiv...@gmail.com wrote:
 The ramps are essential for full strength as they remove the need for
 a safety groove

You don't need a safety groove anyway with a conventional threading
operation, the retract move seems consistent.
I am prepared to believe that a taper-out might give a better stress
concentration as the change in stiffness of the bolt is less sudden.

The lead-in and -out probably see very little use, but at the same
time there doesn't seem to be any penalty for them existing as an
option.

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Re: [Emc-users] 5i25_7i77x2

2014-05-19 Thread andy pugh
On 19 May 2014 05:32, Konstantin Navrockiy nkp...@gmail.com wrote:
 We have a board 5i25  with firmware 5i25_7i77x2.
 Can only work one board 7i77 at connector P2?

One 7i77 on connector P2 and one on P3.
If you want a second 7i77 you will need a header-connector. A standard
parallel-port one will work, and they are very cheap.
eBay 271475206195 is typical.

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Re: [Emc-users] 5i25_7i77x2

2014-05-19 Thread Viesturs Lācis
On May 19, 2014 7:36 AM, Konstantin Navrockiy nkp...@gmail.com wrote:

 We have a board 5i25  with firmware 5i25_7i77x2.
 Can only work one board 7i77 at connector P2?

It seems that we can only guess, what exactly is meant by this question.
If it is meant as a question, if it is possible to attach one 7i77 to P2
and leave P3 empty, then yes, it will work just fine. Load necessary number
of pwmgens or encoder modules in config= line in INI file.

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Re: [Emc-users] Running EMC on older computers

2014-05-19 Thread toolznglue
IMHO, there’s a big “it depends” issue when we look at advice on computers.

As I see it, there are at least three types of users —

The first is the person who’s using their machines to make a living, or at 
least to turn a buck. For that user, I’d most likely recommend building your 
own computer using various motherboards, video boards, and I/O boards that 
places like Microcenter offer. Everything would be purchased new and would be 
replaceable. I’d also suggest purchasing additional I/O boards as these are 
what I’e expect to fail more often than the hard drive or mother board, etc. 
When you’re looking to use your machine as part of your livelihood, you don’t 
want to rely on a bunch of old used equipment. A failure could result in a 
significant loss - more than you’d spend for a current state-of-the-art system. 
They’ll also want to use the latest version of EMC/LinuxCNC once it’s been out 
for a while.

The next person is the one who has metalworking as their hobby, or as a major 
part of their hobby. They’re not trying to turn a buck with their tools, but 
they’re generally found puttering in the shop making “this or that.” Here, they 
don’t need the latest and greatest - recently retired will do - but you want 
something that’s fast and and has replacement parts available. The PCG or 
Cybernet Elite II won’t cut the mustard. Too old, too slow, often not enough 
memory. They might be on the bleeding edge of being the first to install and 
try out the latest versions of EMC/LinuxCNC, depending on where their interests 
lie.

And, finally, you come to folks like me. I purchased a Sherline mill  lathe 
when I retired fourteen years ago - gads, has it been that long? - with the 
intention of building a brass locomotive. I’m in the “desktop machine” league, 
which tends to limit the speed at which I can do things. This plays well with 
using older equipment that can’t generate robust step pulses at high rates. But 
the PCG’s will support 20 ipm rapids with Sherline’s 20 tpi leadscrews and 4 
microsteps per step motor drives. I don’t use these tools every day.

Model trains and woodworking are my main hobbies. Metalworking is a sideline as 
necessary to support the main hobbies. I did a lot of factory automation 
projects when I was working - putting cameras, computers, and motors on 
manufacturing equipment to make or inspect things - so I’ve got some knowledge 
of computers and am not afraid of taking things apart. 

I’ve no real need to keep up with the latest and greatest version of  
EMC/LinuxCNC as long as the version I’m using allows me to do the things that I 
want to do. I’ve also played a lot with TurboCNC for DOS but it’s pretty much 
been abandoned which is why I moved to EMC. Obsolete computers that come 
cheaply work for me. Quite frankly, I was surprised that EMC V8 runs so nicely 
on the PCG that I bought when that machine was the state of the art. So much so 
that I’ve purchased a few extra Sony PCG's and have EMC installed on them, 
ready to go, in the event that the ones connected to my machines fail. I’ve 
found that eBay’s “buy it now” is my friend.

BTW, I doubt that I’ll ever get that brass loco built, but I’m having fun 
building an Arduino based control system for the trains and using the Sherline 
mill to make circuit boards.

Jerry Jankura
So many toys. . . So little time . . .

On May 19, 2014, at 5:07 AM, emc-users-requ...@lists.sourceforge.net wrote:

 It's a 2Ghz or slower Pentium III, Socket 370 type. IIRC it takes PC100 
 or PC133 SDRAM, maximum of 2 gig.
 
 There was an optional PCI slot but to use that it couldn't have the 
 optical drive installed.
 
 I used to have one of those. Decent for web browsing, e-mail and not 
 much else. They were mainly marketed as POS systems and for office or 
 front desk machines.


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Re: [Emc-users] Lathe Threading

2014-05-19 Thread Ralph Stirling
The other place ramping seems to be quite important is in
cutting a higbee thread.  This operation follows the threading
cycle with a grooving tool for the first thread, ramping out
over one revolution to get rid of the sharp burr formed between
a 60deg thread and a 45deg chamfer.  I haven't actually made
one of these higbees, but have read about them and tried
to figure out how to make them.  Here is one explanation:

http://blog.cnccookbook.com/2012/06/16/programming-to-cut-a-higbee-thread-higbee-start-or-blunt-start-thread/

Lots of discussions on them on practicalmachinist cnc forum too.

-- Ralph

From: andy pugh [bodge...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, May 19, 2014 2:06 AM
To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)
Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Lathe Threading

On 19 May 2014 08:27, Dave Caroline dave.thearchiv...@gmail.com wrote:
 The ramps are essential for full strength as they remove the need for
 a safety groove

You don't need a safety groove anyway with a conventional threading
operation, the retract move seems consistent.
I am prepared to believe that a taper-out might give a better stress
concentration as the change in stiffness of the bolt is less sudden.

The lead-in and -out probably see very little use, but at the same
time there doesn't seem to be any penalty for them existing as an
option.

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Re: [Emc-users] Feed control

2014-05-19 Thread andy pugh
On 19 May 2014 02:23, Steve Blackmore st...@pilotltd.net wrote:

 Rude Andy!
 If you configure it once in 2008 why/how the hell would you remember
 what you did then?

OK, perhaps Aram has had no requirement to change his LinuxCNC
configuration for the last 6 years.

To make the THCAD control feed rate:

1) Make sure that there is a spare encoder counter, find the relevant
line in the HAL file and change it:
loadrt hm2_pci config=num_encoders=4..
2) Set the 4th encoder to counter-mode:
setp hm2_5i20.0.encoder.03.counter-mode 1
3) set the scale such that 5V = 100%
setp hm2_5i20.0.encoder.03.scale 1234.5678 (The number should be found
by experiment)
4) Connect the encoder velocity to the adaptive-feed pin:
net feed-control hm2_5i20.encode.03.velocity =  motion.adaptive-feed

Adaptive-feded is described here:
http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/html/man/man9/motion.9.html

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Re: [Emc-users] Running EMC on older computers

2014-05-19 Thread Jon Elson
On 05/19/2014 08:15 AM, toolznglue wrote:

 The first is the person who’s using their machines to make a living, or at 
 least to turn a buck. For that user, I’d most likely recommend building your 
 own computer using various motherboards, video boards, and I/O boards that 
 places like Microcenter offer.
I recommend Dell Optiplex desktops bought through eBay.  
Some of these come
off lease, and are relatively new.  The parallel ports are 
very well-engineered,
and I'm sensitive to that as my boards (Pico Systems) need 
the IEEE-1284
(EPP mode) to work correctly.  I just retired a Dell 
Optiplex that had been
my desktop for TWELVE years, that 105,000 hours!  I got it 
used on eBay
but it was fairly new when I got it.

Jon

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Re: [Emc-users] 5i24?

2014-05-19 Thread Viesturs Lācis
On May 17, 2014 6:58 PM, Peter C. Wallace p...@mesanet.com wrote:

 7I39 5V power

 You can check the config by looking at the dmesg list or running

 sudo mesaflash --device 5i24 --readhmid

Both boards have 4,96 V on pins of 7i39's P1  (both receive power through
flat cable). I checked with multimeter on back side of the both 7i39
boards, where pins of flat cable connector are sticking out. For board on
5i24's P2 enable pins (17 and 41) remain at 4,83 V regardless of LinuxCNC
motion enable status, but for the board on 5i24's P3 those pins change to
0,11V, when motion is enabled and back to 4,83 V, when disable.

The same board from P2 works fine, if attached to P3 with the same cable,
so it is not a cable problem.

So it seems to me that 5i24 board is not actually changing pin value, while
HalShow thinks it is. I watched pwmgen enable signal in HalShow as I think
that corresponds to that pwm-enable pin of firmware for 7i39.

Is there something else  I could do to confirm/reject that there is a fault
in 5i24 card?

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Re: [Emc-users] Need help compiling the simulator on Ubuntu 14.4

2014-05-19 Thread erik
Am 18.05.2014 17:45, schrieb Rafael Skodlar:
 Erik,

 On 05/18/2014 12:42 AM, erik wrote:
 Hello everyone,

 Following these instructions
 http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Build_A_Simulator_Manually
 worked for my last setup with Ubuntu 12.4 (32Bit) quite well.

 Now I have a fresh install of Ubuntu 14.4 (64Bit) running and have
 trouble with the dependency libgnomeprintui2.2-dev. apt-get install
 does not find it (same for :i386). All other missing dependencies were
 installed without any problems.

 What do I have to do next?

 Cheers
 Erik

 try this:

 apt-cache search libgnomeprintui2

 libgnomeprintui2.2-0 - GNOME print architecture User Interface - runtime
 files
 libgnomeprintui2.2-common - GNOME print architecture User Interface -
 common files
 libgnomeprintui2.2-dev - GNOME print architecture User Interface - devel
 files
 libgnomeprintui2.2-doc - GNOME print architecture User Interface - doc files

 cat /etc/issue
 Ubuntu 12.04.4 LTS \n \l

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Thanks for the reply but it did not work. apt-cache returns noting:

erik@e6300:~/development/projects/LinuxCNC$ sudo apt-cache search 
libgnomeprintui2
[sudo] password for erik:
erik@e6300:~/development/projects/LinuxCNC$ cat /etc/issue
Ubuntu 14.04 LTS \n \l

apt-cache showpkg returns the following:

erik@e6300:~/development/projects/LinuxCNC$ apt-cache showpkg 
libgnomeprintui*
Package: libgnomeprintui2.2-0
Versions:

Reverse Depends:
   wxmaxima,libgnomeprintui2.2-0
Dependencies:
Provides:
Reverse Provides:

I downloaded the package and tried to install it manually, but the 
software-center refuses to install it.

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Re: [Emc-users] 5i24?

2014-05-19 Thread Peter C. Wallace

On Mon, 19 May 2014, Viesturs L?cis wrote:


Date: Mon, 19 May 2014 18:17:07 +0300
From: [ISO-8859-13] Viesturs L?cis viesturs.la...@gmail.com
Reply-To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)
emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net
To: Enhanced Machine Controller, (EMC) emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: [Emc-users] 5i24?

On May 17, 2014 6:58 PM, Peter C. Wallace p...@mesanet.com wrote:


7I39 5V power

You can check the config by looking at the dmesg list or running

sudo mesaflash --device 5i24 --readhmid


Both boards have 4,96 V on pins of 7i39's P1  (both receive power through
flat cable). I checked with multimeter on back side of the both 7i39
boards, where pins of flat cable connector are sticking out. For board on
5i24's P2 enable pins (17 and 41) remain at 4,83 V regardless of LinuxCNC
motion enable status, but for the board on 5i24's P3 those pins change to
0,11V, when motion is enabled and back to 4,83 V, when disable.

The same board from P2 works fine, if attached to P3 with the same cable,
so it is not a cable problem.

So it seems to me that 5i24 board is not actually changing pin value, while
HalShow thinks it is. I watched pwmgen enable signal in HalShow as I think
that corresponds to that pwm-enable pin of firmware for 7i39.

Is there something else  I could do to confirm/reject that there is a fault
in 5i24 card?


I will verify this combination under linuxcnc sometime today



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Re: [Emc-users] Running on older computers.

2014-05-19 Thread rayj
Thanks to everyone who replied.  Sounds like if I'm willing to accept 
slow performance, it's just a matter of trying to load LCNC and see if 
it will run on a particular box.  Some of the older ones mentioned are 
in the range of the ones I have, so there is some hope.

Thanks again.

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Kettle River, MN

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admire the quality of the first they love the produce of the second. 
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On 05/18/2014 03:20 AM, andy pugh wrote:
 On 18 May 2014 01:14, rayj raymo...@frontiernet.net wrote:
 What's everyone's experience running LCNC on older computers.

 My lathe has been running on an old Xeon (Coppermine) 1U server for
 the last few years, I word fine, currently on Ubuntu 8,04 and a recent
 build of LinuxCNC. Looking on Wikipedia it seems that the computer is
 likely to be 10+ years old.

 Having said that, Atom motherboards are not exactly expensive.


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Re: [Emc-users] 5i24?

2014-05-19 Thread Peter C. Wallace

On Mon, 19 May 2014, Viesturs L?cis wrote:


Date: Mon, 19 May 2014 18:17:07 +0300
From: [ISO-8859-13] Viesturs L?cis viesturs.la...@gmail.com
Reply-To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)
emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net
To: Enhanced Machine Controller, (EMC) emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: [Emc-users] 5i24?

On May 17, 2014 6:58 PM, Peter C. Wallace p...@mesanet.com wrote:


7I39 5V power

You can check the config by looking at the dmesg list or running

sudo mesaflash --device 5i24 --readhmid


I didnt have any trouble setting the enables on all 6 of the 3pwmgens in 
svsttp6_6, I needed to have the fault-inverts set for all 6 pwmgens:


setp hm2_5i24.0.3pwmgen.00.fault-invert true
setp hm2_5i24.0.3pwmgen.01.fault-invert true
setp hm2_5i24.0.3pwmgen.02.fault-invert true
setp hm2_5i24.0.3pwmgen.03.fault-invert true
setp hm2_5i24.0.3pwmgen.04.fault-invert true
setp hm2_5i24.0.3pwmgen.05.fault-invert true


net emcmot.00.enable = hm2_5i24.0.3pwmgen.00.enable axis.0.amp-enable-out 
net emcmot.01.enable = hm2_5i24.0.3pwmgen.01.enable axis.1.amp-enable-out 
net emcmot.02.enable = hm2_5i24.0.3pwmgen.02.enable axis.2.amp-enable-out 
setp hm2_5i24.0.3pwmgen.03.enable true

setp hm2_5i24.0.3pwmgen.04.enable true
setp hm2_5i24.0.3pwmgen.05.enable true


set all 6 enables low (the first 3 only when the axis were enabled just 
because I happen to have a 3 axis test file)



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Re: [Emc-users] Running EMC on older computers

2014-05-19 Thread Robert Ash





This discussion of old hardware is very timely, I am starting out with a 
Gateway 1gig, 640Megs RAM. I've run the test program for latency. Doesn't look 
good. I will have to decide how to proceed. End goal is a hobby engraver 
similar to one I built using MAXNC drive/motor kit. When I get a shop with room 
I'll see about something bigger.
I have been lurking many years to this list, loaded a few installs just for a 
look, working through the docs now. I commend all that have developed this 
since taking it from NIST.
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Re: [Emc-users] Running EMC on older computers

2014-05-19 Thread jeremy youngs
second on the optiplex



jeremy youngs


On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 10:55 AM, Jon Elson el...@pico-systems.com wrote:

 On 05/19/2014 08:15 AM, toolznglue wrote:
 
  The first is the person who’s using their machines to make a living, or
 at least to turn a buck. For that user, I’d most likely recommend building
 your own computer using various motherboards, video boards, and I/O boards
 that places like Microcenter offer.
 I recommend Dell Optiplex desktops bought through eBay.
 Some of these come
 off lease, and are relatively new.  The parallel ports are
 very well-engineered,
 and I'm sensitive to that as my boards (Pico Systems) need
 the IEEE-1284
 (EPP mode) to work correctly.  I just retired a Dell
 Optiplex that had been
 my desktop for TWELVE years, that 105,000 hours!  I got it
 used on eBay
 but it was fairly new when I got it.

 Jon


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Re: [Emc-users] Running EMC on older computers

2014-05-19 Thread Gregg Eshelman
On 5/19/2014 5:36 PM, jeremy youngs wrote:
 second on the optiplex

How about a OptiPlex GX240?


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Re: [Emc-users] Running EMC on older computers

2014-05-19 Thread jeremy youngs
im running a 720, had an old 240 but never used it for lcnc



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 On 5/19/2014 5:36 PM, jeremy youngs wrote:
  second on the optiplex

 How about a OptiPlex GX240?


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Re: [Emc-users] Running EMC on older computers

2014-05-19 Thread Ralph Stirling
I use GX270's successfully, but I didn't care much for running with 260's, so 
if a 240 is much slower than a 260 I'd keep looking.

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On 5/19/2014 5:36 PM, jeremy youngs wrote:
 second on the optiplex

How about a OptiPlex GX240?


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Re: [Emc-users] fest

2014-05-19 Thread Jon Elson
On 05/16/2014 10:09 AM, Stuart Stevenson wrote:
 Guys,
Is there anything planned for this summer?

OK, I made a vague offer of a get together in the Missouri 
Ozarks
some time ago.  BUT -- my friend's nephew went out to the cabin
in January, turned on the water system and had pipes blow.  I'm
afraid he may not have drained the whole system and put 
antifreeze
in the toilets and drain traps.  So, there could be a HUGE mess
there.  My friend has not had a chance to go check the 
condition.
This place does have electricity, but no internet, 
practically no
cell phone service, and very limited accommodations.  I offered
it only as a place to have a big bull session, and maybe 
fool around
on the river some.

It would be MUCH better to have some place with more room, 
parking,
net access and space to bring some small machines.

If nothing else materializes, I'll try to set something up 
for maybe
a long weekend once I find out how the cabin survived.

Jon


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Re: [Emc-users] Running EMC on older computers

2014-05-19 Thread Jon Elson
On 05/19/2014 06:53 PM, Gregg Eshelman wrote:
 On 5/19/2014 5:36 PM, jeremy youngs wrote:
 second on the optiplex
 How about a OptiPlex GX240?

I use a GX260 to demo LinuxCNC at shows with my minimill.
It works quite well.  I think the GX240 is a pretty similar 
machine,
just a little older.  It should have decent latency and a 
rock solid
parallel port.

Jon

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Re: [Emc-users] fest

2014-05-19 Thread jeremy youngs
still working on getting back to missouri jon, right now it looks like
august. After i get back and get things lined back up im thinking my place
provides all of the above and 7 miles from the eleven point river. but the
earliest i see that working would be next year



jeremy youngs


On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 8:54 PM, Jon Elson el...@pico-systems.com wrote:

 On 05/16/2014 10:09 AM, Stuart Stevenson wrote:
  Guys,
 Is there anything planned for this summer?
 
 OK, I made a vague offer of a get together in the Missouri
 Ozarks
 some time ago.  BUT -- my friend's nephew went out to the cabin
 in January, turned on the water system and had pipes blow.  I'm
 afraid he may not have drained the whole system and put
 antifreeze
 in the toilets and drain traps.  So, there could be a HUGE mess
 there.  My friend has not had a chance to go check the
 condition.
 This place does have electricity, but no internet,
 practically no
 cell phone service, and very limited accommodations.  I offered
 it only as a place to have a big bull session, and maybe
 fool around
 on the river some.

 It would be MUCH better to have some place with more room,
 parking,
 net access and space to bring some small machines.

 If nothing else materializes, I'll try to set something up
 for maybe
 a long weekend once I find out how the cabin survived.

 Jon



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Re: [Emc-users] Running EMC on older computers

2014-05-19 Thread Gregg Eshelman
On 5/19/2014 7:07 PM, Jon Elson wrote:
 On 05/19/2014 06:53 PM, Gregg Eshelman wrote:
 On 5/19/2014 5:36 PM, jeremy youngs wrote:
 second on the optiplex
 How about a OptiPlex GX240?

 I use a GX260 to demo LinuxCNC at shows with my minimill.
 It works quite well.  I think the GX240 is a pretty similar
 machine,
 just a little older.  It should have decent latency and a
 rock solid parallel port.

I have a stack (literally a tall stack) of Optiplex GX520 mini towers 
and one small form factor. I also have one each 745 tower, 755, 760 and 
780 SFF. The 780 may become my new HTPC since it has a DisplayPort and 
there are DP to HDMI adapters or I could install a low profile PCIe x16 
card with HDMI. (My current HTPC is an old Compaq EVO. Low profile AGP 
cards with HDMI do exist but they're insanely expensive.)

Also in the lot is a 620 that won't turn on, all it does it light the 
yellow standby power LED on the board. It's not the common 620 capacitor 
problem nor the power supply. I moved that to one of the 520's that was 
missing its power supply.

Then there's three mpc ClientPro 385 and some other towers, plus a pile 
of laptops including four mpc TransPort T2500 (same as Samsung X65).

Just got power bricks for a couple of 17 Dell LCDs. Sadly, one has a 
star crack in the upper middle that's invisible until the backlight is 
on. The LCD itself is fine, so is the matte finish front layer. Get any 
color but black behind the crack and it almost vanishes.

If you're anywhere near Weiser, ID, I have some computers. :)


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