[Emc-users] Latency problem with debian 7 and not with ubuntu 10.04

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Hello,

i86 pentium 4 Fujitsu siemens scenic E600 :

with ubuntu 10.04 and 2.7 linuxcnc
*latency +/- 22,000 max*

I format the pc and i install debian 7 and 2.7 linuxcnc
*latency +/- 65,000 max*

Why do you have an idea?

Best regards,

Pierre
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Re: [Emc-users] Linuxcnc and Arduino

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Thank you all, I'll do tests

Best regards,

Pierre

2016-05-22 5:09 GMT+02:00 Chris Albertson :

> On Thu, May 19, 2016 at 12:37 AM, Erik Christiansen <
> dva...@internode.on.net
> > wrote:
>
> > On 18.05.16 08:30, Chris Albertson wrote:
> > > This is a general problem that applies not just to CNC machines.  What
> > > to do if the human interface allows a human to tell a machine to do
> > > something it can't do?In this case the interface allows you to
> > > command the axis to move faster then it can.  The best design is to
> > > prevent this.  You'd need to have some kind of force feedback, a
> > > torque or brake applied to the command wheel to prevent you from
> > > turning it to fast.  Cheaper solution is a big red LED that lights up
> > > as you approach 90% of the maximum speed.  Or in place of the LED a
> > > vibrator motor to shake the wheel.
> >
> > I like the big red LED, especially together with a little mobile phone
> > vibrator motor or a complaining squawker, but what about just limiting
> > the joystick/knob output to MAX_VEL?
>
>
> If it is a joystick then yes that would work.  A joystick is a "jog"
> command that says to the machine "go left" and you can't enter a bad
> command because pushing it hard to the stop always means "go as fast as you
> can".
>
> But the user interface device we that started this discussion was a dial. A
> dial says "move a distance proportionate to how many degrees I turn the
> dial".  It is intended to by an analog of the dial that turns a lead screw
> on a manual machine.  The problem is the user can turn the dial as fast as
> he likes and the only feedback that he is turning it to fast is lag in the
> control.  In other words the "feedback" is that the machine no longer moves
> proportionate to how many degrees I turn the dial.
>
> The first is a velocity control and the second is a position control.
>
> To make a joystick always work you all you ned to do is able the hard stop
> "max speed", just like you said.
>
> The dial could too if you could limit what a user could do with it,
>
> My point was not really HOW to fix this just to point out that user
> interfaces can have theoretical issues a designer must address.  They
> either need to logically not allow invalid input (like a joystick) or the
> designer needs to specify what happens when the user makes an invalid
> input.This applies to software, toasters and cars not just CNC tools
>
>
> > Within LinuxCNC that ought to be
> > possible, maybe using a hal limit component? If it had to be done in the
> > arduino, then the limit would also not need to be hard-coded into the
> > program if means to increase/decrease the value via the user interface
> > were provided, as the result could then instead be saved in on-chip
> EEPROM.
> >
> > The latter method would permit scaling of the joystick travel to match
> > MAX_VEL, whereas the former would result in the last bit of joystick
> > travel doing nothing, which is suboptimal.
> >
> > If an operator is likely to jerk the joystick instantly to full travel,
> > then it might be an idea to limit output to e.g. 95% of MAX_VEL, so that
> > LinuxCNC can catch up despite limited MAX_ACCEL.
> >
> > Erik
> >
> >
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Re: [Emc-users] Linuxcnc and Arduino

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I have a XHC - HB04 Wireless MPG during LinuxCNC HAL module.
If I turn the crank too fast I have a time delay ???

It's dangerous

2016-05-17 11:21 GMT+02:00 Forum Deswysen <forum.deswy...@gmail.com>:

> Hi Andy,
>
> With a python script and the serial port :
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=flajZMff28U
>
> https://ckcnc.wordpress.com/basic-arduino-emc-howto/python-emc-module/
>
> With arduino, today I 'm testing my order for tool change turret.
> It works fine
>
>
> @+
>
> Pierre
>
> 2016-05-16 23:48 GMT+02:00 andy pugh <bodge...@gmail.com>:
>
>> On 16 May 2016 at 15:03, Forum Deswysen <forum.deswy...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > The reaction speed is the same as a button on a Parport entry?
>>
>> That rather depends on how the Arduino connects to LinuxCNC, but the
>> answer is likely to be that it won't be anywhere near as fast.
>>
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Re: [Emc-users] Linuxcnc and Arduino

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Hi Andy,

With a python script and the serial port :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=flajZMff28U

https://ckcnc.wordpress.com/basic-arduino-emc-howto/python-emc-module/

With arduino, today I 'm testing my order for tool change turret.
It works fine


@+

Pierre

2016-05-16 23:48 GMT+02:00 andy pugh <bodge...@gmail.com>:

> On 16 May 2016 at 15:03, Forum Deswysen <forum.deswy...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > The reaction speed is the same as a button on a Parport entry?
>
> That rather depends on how the Arduino connects to LinuxCNC, but the
> answer is likely to be that it won't be anywhere near as fast.
>
>
> --
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[Emc-users] Linuxcnc and Arduino

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Hello,

I use an Arduino to control a turret.
If I connect the Arduino buttons or jog wheels axes?

Are there has a response time?

The reaction speed is the same as a button on a Parport entry?

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Re: [Emc-users] Stake in ball screw Cincinnati Arrow

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Dave thank you.
Will also inform me import fees for Belgium

2016-02-27 17:03 GMT+01:00 Joe H <67p...@gmail.com>:

> Thanks Dave, Good information.
> Joe
>
> On Sat, Feb 27, 2016 at 10:04 AM, Dave Cole <linuxcncro...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > The nut and screw are matched to each other and then they fit the nut to
> > the screw with the proper sized balls.
> > Usually they are purchased together as a set and you really don't want
> > to take them apart unless it is necessary.
> > You can have screws reground - I think that Thompson and Nook others do
> > that in the US.
> > I suspect that if you have a "standard" screw you might be able to fit a
> > new nut to it, but then if the nut is shot, generally the screw also
> > needs help.
> > So what usually needs to be done is that the nut and screw need to be
> > reconditioned as a set.
> > I worked on a machine that had a bad screw and they got a quote from
> > Thompson or Nook to have the screw and nut reconditioned and I think it
> > was about half what a new
> > set would have cost.
> >
> > Dave
> >
> > On 2/27/2016 9:47 AM, Joe H wrote:
> > > Andy,
> > > You linked a site that sells ball nuts. Is it possible to change a ball
> > nut
> > > only, assuming the screw has even wear? I realize that there are there
> > are
> > > considerations for mounting and such, but I had the feeling that the
> > screw
> > > and the nut were made as a set.
> > > Sorry to interject slightly off topic, I'm trying to educate.
> > > Thanks,
> > > Joe
> > >
> > > On Sat, Feb 27, 2016 at 6:38 AM, Forum Deswysen <
> > forum.deswy...@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >> Hello everyone,
> > >>
> > >> Before the servo failure, the precision of the machine was still in
> the
> > /
> > >> 100 mm.
> > >> Certainly due to the weight of the head.
> > >>
> > >> I'll start by changing the cables defective.
> > >> Then we will dismantle the screw to examine.
> > >>
> > >> Thank you for your valuable advice.
> > >>
> > >> I will continue my work with linuxcnc.
> > >> I retrofit a tour with Jon card.
> > >>
> > >> Best regards,
> > >>
> > >> Pierre
> > >>
> > >> 2016-02-27 5:37 GMT+01:00 Dave Cole <linuxcncro...@gmail.com>:
> > >>
> > >>> On Fanuc drives you need to be careful as bad or worn motor cable
> > >>> insulation can easily take out a Fanuc drive.   :-(
> > >>>
> > >>> Dave
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> On 2/26/2016 5:07 PM, Todd Zuercher wrote:
> > >>>> I had to replace all of the servo power cables on a Fanuc 0i
> > controlled
> > >>> gantry router (only 10 years old).  The insulation had hardened from
> > oil
> > >>> exposure, was badly cracked, and some of the conductors were broken.
> > >> Made
> > >>> for some rather erratic servo performance.
> > >>>> - Original Message -
> > >>>> From: r...@superiorroll.com
> > >>>> To: "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)" <
> > >> emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net
> > >>>> Sent: Friday, February 26, 2016 4:49:47 PM
> > >>>> Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Stake in ball screw Cincinnati Arrow
> > >>>>
> > >>>> I just replaced the power cables, not the encoder cables, and I
> didn't
> > >>> use shielded cable, I used the same stuff that is pictured. I used
> 12/4
> > >> AWG.
> > >>>> Rick
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>  Original Message 
> > >>>> Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Stake in ball screw Cincinnati Arrow
> > >>>> From: "Forum Deswysen" <forum.deswy...@gmail.com>
> > >>>> Date: Fri, February 26, 2016 4:31 pm
> > >>>> To: "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)" <
> > >> emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net
> > >>>>
> > >>>> For Rick :
> > >>>>
> > >>>> A problem identified, thank you Rick.
> > >>>> I will replace cables.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> You changed the power and encoder?
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Given the c

Re: [Emc-users] Stake in ball screw Cincinnati Arrow

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Hello everyone,

Before the servo failure, the precision of the machine was still in the /
100 mm.
Certainly due to the weight of the head.

I'll start by changing the cables defective.
Then we will dismantle the screw to examine.

Thank you for your valuable advice.

I will continue my work with linuxcnc.
I retrofit a tour with Jon card.

Best regards,

Pierre

2016-02-27 5:37 GMT+01:00 Dave Cole <linuxcncro...@gmail.com>:

> On Fanuc drives you need to be careful as bad or worn motor cable
> insulation can easily take out a Fanuc drive.   :-(
>
> Dave
>
>
> On 2/26/2016 5:07 PM, Todd Zuercher wrote:
> > I had to replace all of the servo power cables on a Fanuc 0i controlled
> gantry router (only 10 years old).  The insulation had hardened from oil
> exposure, was badly cracked, and some of the conductors were broken.  Made
> for some rather erratic servo performance.
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: r...@superiorroll.com
> > To: "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)" <emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net
> >
> > Sent: Friday, February 26, 2016 4:49:47 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Stake in ball screw Cincinnati Arrow
> >
> > I just replaced the power cables, not the encoder cables, and I didn't
> use shielded cable, I used the same stuff that is pictured. I used 12/4 AWG.
> >
> > Rick
> >
> >
> >  Original Message 
> > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Stake in ball screw Cincinnati Arrow
> > From: "Forum Deswysen" <forum.deswy...@gmail.com>
> > Date: Fri, February 26, 2016 4:31 pm
> > To: "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)" <emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net
> >
> >
> > For Rick :
> >
> > A problem identified, thank you Rick.
> > I will replace cables.
> >
> > You changed the power and encoder?
> >
> > Given the color and the type of cable, I do not think this is the
> original
> > cable.
> > For power, did you use shielded cable?
> > What section did you use
> >
> > Andy:
> >
> > I have another problem:
> >
> > https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B5hmBjm5ot8NaTRkSlRWZVc4d2M
> >
> > I have a difference between 0.2-0.3 mm !!!
> >
> > 2016-02-26 20:43 GMT+01:00 Rick Lair <r...@superiorroll.com>:
> >
> >> You are seeing pretty much exactly the same issues that I was having
> >> with both of my machines, you have the A2100 control, and that was the
> >> fault that I was getting on my machine, before I replaced the cables.
> >>
> >> That is definitely physical damage on the X axis cable, but the damage I
> >> am talking about is not visible,( someone step in if I botch this up)
> >> the insulation "breaks" down electrically, and as I take it, the drive
> >> senses this somehow, and shuts down. On our machine with the 850SX, we
> >> always saw X axis faults, when it was the Y or the Z being the fault,
> >> reason being, due to how the drive ready chain of logic in the drives
> >> was wired, it always saw the X drive as being faulted first.
> >>
> >> Your machine is a carbon copy of my Sabre, in respect to drives and
> >> controls.
> >>
> >> Rick
> >>
> >>
> >> On 2/26/2016 2:09 PM, Forum Deswysen wrote:
> >>> I asked for your help because I had an axis error "CR_AXES_RDY"
> >>> that caused the shutdown of the machine:
> >>> https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B5hmBjm5ot8NSFlVNFZ6OFFpOGc
> >>>
> >>> Before we heard creaking on the screw axis Z ???
> >>> Therefore first I thought of a default of the screw.
> >>> It's not that.
> >>>
> >>> The servo failure comes and disappears after several cycles of the
> >> machine
> >>> ...
> >>>
> >>> Today for the re-started I removed the C3 logic supply connector on the
> >>> drive X:
> >>> https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B5hmBjm5ot8NenExalJrM09ienc
> >>>
> >>> I do not understand where this intermittent failure?
> >>>
> >>> I want to know before purchasing new engines for linuxcnc
> >>>
> >>> 2016-02-26 19:59 GMT+01:00 Rick Lair <r...@superiorroll.com>:
> >>>
> >>>> What error are you getting on the control, what is the machine
> actually
> >>>> doing?
> >>>>
> >>>> I have the Sabre 750 which is a 1995 and has the A2100 control, and we
> >>>> also have a Lancer 1250 with the 850SX control

Re: [Emc-users] Stake in ball screw Cincinnati Arrow

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For Rick :

A problem identified, thank you Rick.
I will replace cables.

You changed the power and encoder?

Given the color and the type of cable, I do not think this is the original
cable.
For power, did you use shielded cable?
What section did you use

Andy:

I have another problem:

https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B5hmBjm5ot8NaTRkSlRWZVc4d2M

I have a difference between 0.2-0.3 mm !!!

2016-02-26 20:43 GMT+01:00 Rick Lair <r...@superiorroll.com>:

> You are seeing pretty much exactly the same issues that I was having
> with both of my machines, you have the A2100 control, and that was the
> fault that I was getting on my machine, before I replaced the cables.
>
> That is definitely physical damage on the X axis cable, but the damage I
> am talking about is not visible,( someone step in if I botch this up)
> the insulation "breaks" down electrically, and as I take it, the drive
> senses this somehow, and shuts down. On our machine with the 850SX, we
> always saw X axis faults, when it was the Y or the Z being the fault,
> reason being, due to how the drive ready chain of logic in the drives
> was wired, it always saw the X drive as being faulted first.
>
> Your machine is a carbon copy of my Sabre, in respect to drives and
> controls.
>
> Rick
>
>
> On 2/26/2016 2:09 PM, Forum Deswysen wrote:
> > I asked for your help because I had an axis error "CR_AXES_RDY"
> > that caused the shutdown of the machine:
> > https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B5hmBjm5ot8NSFlVNFZ6OFFpOGc
> >
> > Before we heard creaking on the screw axis Z ???
> > Therefore first I thought of a default of the screw.
> > It's not that.
> >
> > The servo failure comes and disappears after several cycles of the
> machine
> > ...
> >
> > Today for the re-started I removed the C3 logic supply connector on the
> > drive X:
> > https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B5hmBjm5ot8NenExalJrM09ienc
> >
> > I do not understand where this intermittent failure?
> >
> > I want to know before purchasing new engines for linuxcnc
> >
> > 2016-02-26 19:59 GMT+01:00 Rick Lair <r...@superiorroll.com>:
> >
> >> What error are you getting on the control, what is the machine actually
> >> doing?
> >>
> >> I have the Sabre 750 which is a 1995 and has the A2100 control, and we
> >> also have a Lancer 1250 with the 850SX control, which is from 1996, the
> >> Sabre has the Kollmorgen drive package, and the Lancer has the Red Cap
> >> Fanuc drive package. On both machines I have had to replace all of the
> >> servo motor power cables due to the wire insulation breaking down
> >> internally, constant servo drive failures, ON BOTH MACHINES,  I had all
> >> the kollmorgen drives gone through, ( the problem started on the
> >> kollmorgens, then it started on the Fanucs) thinking that those were the
> >> problem, before I got my insulation resistance tester out and checked
> >> the cables, sure enough the cables were bad, and I ordered an entire
> >> spool of cable and replaced all of them.
> >>
> >> Have not had a single problem in over 2 1/2 years with either machine
> >> since I did that.
> >>
> >> Rick
> >>
> >>
> >> On 2/26/2016 1:46 PM, Forum Deswysen wrote:
> >>> I'm going to do tests with a comparator in the motor spindle.
> >>> Perfect, I no difference.
> >>> So all is well with the ball screw !!!
> >>>
> >>> https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B5hmBjm5ot8NNGdkYmo4WHRSSXM
> >>> https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B5hmBjm5ot8NanpxT1hzaGxsYTg
> >>> https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B5hmBjm5ot8Nb2s5RmxyN2xMUm8
> >>>
> >>> The tolerance in the screw maybe just engine braking since the machine
> >>> was stopped
> >>> and the head placed on its transport support.
> >>>
> >>> Where does my axis error ???
> >>> This is an intermittent fault
> >>> Not happy with this because I failed I could not complete an order for
> a
> >>> customer!
> >>> I had to do the subcontract.
> >>>
> >>> 2016-02-26 17:45 GMT+01:00 Rick Lair <r...@superiorroll.com>:
> >>>
> >>>> With about 95% certainty, all the milacron, lathes and machining
> >>>> centers, the ball nuts all sit in and bolt to the mounting block ( we
> >>>> have at least a dozen Cincinnati Milacron machines, mix of lathes and
> >>>> mills, from 1978 to 1996, and they all have the same configuration,
> and
> &

Re: [Emc-users] Stake in ball screw Cincinnati Arrow

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For Rick :

Your reply came at once:

I just found a fault in the power cable of the Y axis
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B5hmBjm5ot8NLXFFTXBMbmVuWVk

For Andy :

I will try now

2016-02-26 20:04 GMT+01:00 andy pugh <bodge...@gmail.com>:

> On 26 February 2016 at 18:46, Forum Deswysen <forum.deswy...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > I'm going to do tests with a comparator in the motor spindle.
> > Perfect, I no difference.
> > So all is well with the ball screw !!!
>
> I don't think you can necessarily say that with that test.
> You would need to try to lift the head with a lever and with the
> comparator in position.
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Re: [Emc-users] Stake in ball screw Cincinnati Arrow

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I asked for your help because I had an axis error "CR_AXES_RDY"
that caused the shutdown of the machine:
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B5hmBjm5ot8NSFlVNFZ6OFFpOGc

Before we heard creaking on the screw axis Z ???
Therefore first I thought of a default of the screw.
It's not that.

The servo failure comes and disappears after several cycles of the machine
...

Today for the re-started I removed the C3 logic supply connector on the
drive X:
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B5hmBjm5ot8NenExalJrM09ienc

I do not understand where this intermittent failure?

I want to know before purchasing new engines for linuxcnc

2016-02-26 19:59 GMT+01:00 Rick Lair <r...@superiorroll.com>:

> What error are you getting on the control, what is the machine actually
> doing?
>
> I have the Sabre 750 which is a 1995 and has the A2100 control, and we
> also have a Lancer 1250 with the 850SX control, which is from 1996, the
> Sabre has the Kollmorgen drive package, and the Lancer has the Red Cap
> Fanuc drive package. On both machines I have had to replace all of the
> servo motor power cables due to the wire insulation breaking down
> internally, constant servo drive failures, ON BOTH MACHINES,  I had all
> the kollmorgen drives gone through, ( the problem started on the
> kollmorgens, then it started on the Fanucs) thinking that those were the
> problem, before I got my insulation resistance tester out and checked
> the cables, sure enough the cables were bad, and I ordered an entire
> spool of cable and replaced all of them.
>
> Have not had a single problem in over 2 1/2 years with either machine
> since I did that.
>
> Rick
>
>
> On 2/26/2016 1:46 PM, Forum Deswysen wrote:
> > I'm going to do tests with a comparator in the motor spindle.
> > Perfect, I no difference.
> > So all is well with the ball screw !!!
> >
> > https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B5hmBjm5ot8NNGdkYmo4WHRSSXM
> > https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B5hmBjm5ot8NanpxT1hzaGxsYTg
> > https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B5hmBjm5ot8Nb2s5RmxyN2xMUm8
> >
> > The tolerance in the screw maybe just engine braking since the machine
> > was stopped
> > and the head placed on its transport support.
> >
> > Where does my axis error ???
> > This is an intermittent fault
> > Not happy with this because I failed I could not complete an order for a
> > customer!
> > I had to do the subcontract.
> >
> > 2016-02-26 17:45 GMT+01:00 Rick Lair <r...@superiorroll.com>:
> >
> >> With about 95% certainty, all the milacron, lathes and machining
> >> centers, the ball nuts all sit in and bolt to the mounting block ( we
> >> have at least a dozen Cincinnati Milacron machines, mix of lathes and
> >> mills, from 1978 to 1996, and they all have the same configuration, and
> >> I have worked on all of them). Usually 4-6 bolts on both the block and
> >> the nut cartridge.
> >>
> >> Rick
> >>
> >> On 2/26/2016 11:39 AM, Jon Elson wrote:
> >>> On 02/26/2016 08:00 AM, Forum Deswysen wrote:
> >>>> https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B5hmBjm5ot8NSDhCTmpsWkk3aVU
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>> This 3rd picture seems to show you indicating you can rock
> >>> the screw forward/backward by 10 degrees.  This would seem
> >>> to indicate wear and looseness in the ballnut, or possibly
> >>> in the mounting of the nut.  it appears the block the nut
> >>> sits in is NOT the actual ballnut, but a mount for it.  So,
> >>> you might see if the ballnut is no longer firmly mounted
> >>> inside that mount.  Some nuts are threaded on the outside,
> >>> and screw into a threaded hole in the mounting block. Then,
> >>> there needs to be something that locks the nut into the mount.
> >>>
> >>> Others are bolted to the mount.  These bolts could have
> >>> loosened, possibly by stretching.  if loose, you might
> >>> replace the bolts.
> >>>
> >>> Jon
> >>>
> >>>
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Re: [Emc-users] Stake in ball screw Cincinnati Arrow

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I'm going to do tests with a comparator in the motor spindle.
Perfect, I no difference.
So all is well with the ball screw !!!

https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B5hmBjm5ot8NNGdkYmo4WHRSSXM
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B5hmBjm5ot8NanpxT1hzaGxsYTg
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B5hmBjm5ot8Nb2s5RmxyN2xMUm8

The tolerance in the screw maybe just engine braking since the machine
was stopped
and the head placed on its transport support.

Where does my axis error ???
This is an intermittent fault
Not happy with this because I failed I could not complete an order for a
customer!
I had to do the subcontract.

2016-02-26 17:45 GMT+01:00 Rick Lair <r...@superiorroll.com>:

> With about 95% certainty, all the milacron, lathes and machining
> centers, the ball nuts all sit in and bolt to the mounting block ( we
> have at least a dozen Cincinnati Milacron machines, mix of lathes and
> mills, from 1978 to 1996, and they all have the same configuration, and
> I have worked on all of them). Usually 4-6 bolts on both the block and
> the nut cartridge.
>
> Rick
>
> On 2/26/2016 11:39 AM, Jon Elson wrote:
> > On 02/26/2016 08:00 AM, Forum Deswysen wrote:
> >> https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B5hmBjm5ot8NSDhCTmpsWkk3aVU
> >>
> >>
> > This 3rd picture seems to show you indicating you can rock
> > the screw forward/backward by 10 degrees.  This would seem
> > to indicate wear and looseness in the ballnut, or possibly
> > in the mounting of the nut.  it appears the block the nut
> > sits in is NOT the actual ballnut, but a mount for it.  So,
> > you might see if the ballnut is no longer firmly mounted
> > inside that mount.  Some nuts are threaded on the outside,
> > and screw into a threaded hole in the mounting block. Then,
> > there needs to be something that locks the nut into the mount.
> >
> > Others are bolted to the mount.  These bolts could have
> > loosened, possibly by stretching.  if loose, you might
> > replace the bolts.
> >
> > Jon
> >
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Re: [Emc-users] Stake in ball screw Cincinnati Arrow

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For everyone,

Thank you I'll watch carefully.

For Rick Lair,

Have you ever had this problem with your  Sabre 750 ?

2016-02-26 16:03 GMT+01:00 andy pugh <bodge...@gmail.com>:

> On 26 February 2016 at 14:00, Forum Deswysen <forum.deswy...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > *Can someone** tell me if this nut **is adjustable ???*
>
> It doesn't look likely to be.
>
> The first place I would be looking would be at the screw thrust
> bearings, though.
>
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Re: [Emc-users] Stake in ball screw Cincinnati Arrow

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Hello Andy,

Thank you for this additional information.

*Can someone** tell me if this nut **is adjustable ???*

Some pictures of the problem:

To have no more weight on the screw, the head of the machine is placed on
its transport support

https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B5hmBjm5ot8NOS1CdldvSi1MbzQ
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B5hmBjm5ot8NS0Q5VDBvY3pGVjA
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B5hmBjm5ot8NSDhCTmpsWkk3aVU

Best regards,

Pierre

2016-02-26 10:32 GMT+01:00 andy pugh <bodge...@gmail.com>:

> On 26 February 2016 at 06:02, Forum Deswysen <forum.deswy...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Yes that's it.
>
> Don't ignore the possibility that the backlash/ slack might be in the
> ballscrew bearings.
>
> Depending on the style of the ball-nut, it might be possible to adjust
> the backlash.
>
> Isel make adjustable ball-nuts:
> http://www.techno-isel.com/lmc/Products/BmNuts.htm
> If you have them, then you just need to adjust them.
>
> Often the ball-nuts are a back-to-back pair with a spacer to set the
> backlash/preload. If yours is like this, perhaps the clamping screws
> have loosened.
> If the screws are still tight then you might be able to grind / lap
> the spacer to remove the backlash.
>
> If the ballnut/screw is a single piece then the options are
> replacement or rebuilding with oversized balls. If the slack varies
> with position the then wear is uneven, and oversized balls won't work.
> This Amazon seller lists balls in very small increments around the nominal
> size
>
> http://www.amazon.com/Ballscrew-Screw-Balls-0-1244-mm3-1597/dp/B0070I6824/ref=sr_1_19?ie=UTF8=1456479041=8-19=precision+balls+ballscrew
> There are videos on Youtube showing how to re-ball a ballnut.
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Re: [Emc-users] Stake in ball screw Cincinnati Arrow

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Yes that's it.
Not easy with translation

Pierre

2016-02-25 23:28 GMT+01:00 Chris Morley <chrisinnana...@hotmail.com>:

>
> I'm sure he mean slack in the ballnut :)
>
> - Reply message -----
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> To: "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)" <emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net>
> Subject: [Emc-users] Stake in ball screw Cincinnati Arrow
> Date: Thu, Feb 25, 2016 1:06 PM
>
>
> Hello,
>
> Today we found the stake in the nut of the ball screw axis Z.
>
> Do you know the problem ???
>
> Is there a adjustment means ???
>
> Best regards,
>
> Pierre
> finemeca.be
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[Emc-users] Stake in ball screw Cincinnati Arrow

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Hello,

Today we found the stake in the nut of the ball screw axis Z.

Do you know the problem ???

Is there a adjustment means ???

Best regards,

Pierre
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Re: [Emc-users] Information for spindle and drive Kollmorgen Ind

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Thank you for the information.
But I have some basic machines that work with linuxcnc.
No problems.
Today my machining center out of use I have in process an order.
With linuxcnc I am independent

Pierre
finemeca.be

2016-02-24 19:42 GMT+01:00 Jeff Johnson :

> **
> Hello,
>
> We have a machining center Cincinnati Milacron Arrow 750.
> The control of the machine is out of service and we will change it.
>
> I am searching information on the spindle motor and drive:
>
> High performance induction motor
> Model: 1-604-0006
> Serie: 98F286-77
> 27A 3.7 KW
> Kollmorgen Ind or Cincinnati
>
> SPINDLE DRIVE 30AMP VFS5
>
> Model VFS523000203A
> Series: 230 / 203AC-042 rev 4.0
> Kollmorgen Ind or Cincinnati
>
> Can you give me the technical documentation?
> *I am searching primarily voltage frequency curve**?*
>
> Best regards,
>
> Pierre
> ***
>
> If you have the SX 850 control on your mill I am not sure I would give up
> on
> that. We have several and they are overall a bullet proof control. The
> rubber buttons are the only weakness but can be fixed. The 2100 control is
> Okay too but Hard drive issues have popped up now and again but easily
> fixed.
>
> I am not trying to push you away from Linux CNC (we run four machines with
> it) just pointing out I have very few issues with the Milacron controls.
>
> Jeff Johnson
> john...@superiorroll.com
> Superior Roll & Turning
> 734-279-1831
>
>
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Re: [Emc-users] Seeks electrical schematics Cincinnati Milacron Arrow 750

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ok thank you

2016-02-24 19:59 GMT+01:00 Stuart Stevenson <stus...@gmail.com>:

> yes
>
> On Wed, Feb 24, 2016 at 12:21 PM, Forum Deswysen <forum.deswy...@gmail.com
> >
> wrote:
>
> > Hello Stuart,
> >
> > Thank you for the information.
> >
> > It is this site ???
> > http://www.fivesgroup.com/
> >
> > Best regards
> > Pierre
> >
> >
> > 2016-02-22 21:37 GMT+01:00 Stuart Stevenson <stus...@gmail.com>:
> >
> > > I realize you want the schematics as cheap as possible. I hope someone
> > has
> > > a set to give you. I would think you could find them like that.
> > > But, Fives will have them. I would guess around USD200.00. That is what
> > > they quoted me for my T40 5axis I just got. If you have the serial
> number
> > > they can find them.
> > > thanks
> > > Stuart
> > >
> > >
> > > On Mon, Feb 22, 2016 at 2:05 PM, Forum Deswysen <
> > forum.deswy...@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hello everyone,
> > > >
> > > > I research the electrical schematics Cincinnati Milacron Arrow 750
> > 1988.
> > > > I have a series of manuals but no schematics.
> > > >
> > > > Anyone have it in pdf?
> > > >
> > > > Good night,
> > > >
> > > > Pierre
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
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[Emc-users] Information for spindle and drive Kollmorgen Ind or Cincinnati

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Hello,

We have a machining center Cincinnati Milacron Arrow 750.
The control of the machine is out of service and we will change it.

I am searching information on the spindle motor and drive:

High performance induction motor
Model: 1-604-0006
Serie: 98F286-77
27A 3.7 KW
Kollmorgen Ind or Cincinnati

SPINDLE DRIVE 30AMP VFS5

Model VFS523000203A
Series: 230 / 203AC-042 rev 4.0
Kollmorgen Ind or Cincinnati

Can you give me the technical documentation?
*I am searching primarily voltage frequency curve**?*

Best regards,

Pierre
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Re: [Emc-users] Seeks electrical schematics Cincinnati Milacron Arrow 750

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Hello Stuart,

Thank you for the information.

It is this site ???
http://www.fivesgroup.com/

Best regards
Pierre


2016-02-22 21:37 GMT+01:00 Stuart Stevenson <stus...@gmail.com>:

> I realize you want the schematics as cheap as possible. I hope someone has
> a set to give you. I would think you could find them like that.
> But, Fives will have them. I would guess around USD200.00. That is what
> they quoted me for my T40 5axis I just got. If you have the serial number
> they can find them.
> thanks
> Stuart
>
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> On Mon, Feb 22, 2016 at 2:05 PM, Forum Deswysen <forum.deswy...@gmail.com>
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> > I research the electrical schematics Cincinnati Milacron Arrow 750 1988.
> > I have a series of manuals but no schematics.
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> > Anyone have it in pdf?
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> > Good night,
> >
> > Pierre
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[Emc-users] Seeks electrical schematics Cincinnati Milacron Arrow 750

[Forum Deswysen]

Hello everyone,

I research the electrical schematics Cincinnati Milacron Arrow 750 1988.
I have a series of manuals but no schematics.

Anyone have it in pdf?

Good night,

Pierre
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